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Football at Four: Detailing Eagles Depth Chart Changes in Camp · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Jeff Boscher from the Inside the Birds podcast and of
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Speaker 1: course Phillyvoice dot com all football season long, we get
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Speaker 1: ready for the Birds, and of course they play Saturday
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Speaker 1: night against the Patriots and the kind of a tough
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Speaker 1: performance to even break down because obviously no starters are.
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Speaker 2: In that game.
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Speaker 1: We did hear from Sean Nanny in earlier today and
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Speaker 1: it seems, Jeff, the main storyline moving forward after two
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Speaker 1: games is the backup quarterback spot, and I guess we'll
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Speaker 1: start with that is just something here. Can they trade
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Speaker 1: one of these guys? How do you kind of look
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Speaker 1: at what we've seen through two games with Andy Dalton
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Speaker 1: and Tanner McKee.
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Speaker 3: Mike, you know, from me coming on and talking to
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Speaker 3: you since the offseason, early in the offseason, I never
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Speaker 3: understood how they planned to make it work with four
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Speaker 3: quarterbacks once they drafted Cole Payton and had four. To me,
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Speaker 3: it just didn't make sense. You don't want to, you know,
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Speaker 3: for many reasons. We talked about snaps in practice, about
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Speaker 3: having you know, a plan to be able to optimize
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Speaker 3: your fifty three man roster and keep it the floor
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Speaker 3: when you're only going to play one and maybe two
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Speaker 3: only if your one gets hurt. It's just a really
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Speaker 3: difficult proposition. So I'm I you know, I don't claim
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Speaker 3: to have the answer. I claim to be confused. I
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Speaker 3: know that Howie Roseman, we've talked about this on Inside
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Speaker 3: the Bird. Adam has brought up Howie Roseman's always liked
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Speaker 3: Andy Dalton. I don't know how much he's liking him
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Speaker 3: right now. McKee had a slow start in general, I
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Speaker 3: felt watching him Saturday night that he looked more comfortable.
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Speaker 4: Still not perfect.
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Speaker 3: I mean we've seen like this guy look like an
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Speaker 3: absolute stud and to the point where you're like, hey,
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Speaker 3: this guy could be like a starter in the NFL.
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Speaker 4: And maybe he still could.
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Speaker 3: Not everything was perfect, but I mean he was certainly
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Speaker 3: in a much better rhythm and operating the new offense
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Speaker 3: the way it should be operated on Saturday.
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Speaker 4: And obviously, and you know, I won't make too much
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Speaker 4: of it, but today.
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Speaker 3: He was the first quarterback up at camp practice and
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Speaker 3: with the same.
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you what I mean.
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Speaker 1: Obviously we're talking about the backup quarterback and you're hoping
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Speaker 1: it doesn't come to any factor, But what are the
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Speaker 1: Eagles looking for from their backup quarterback? The veteran presence
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Speaker 1: in Andy Dalton or maybe a guy who if they
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Speaker 1: if for whatever reason, Jalen Hurts got hurt, the better player.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Eagles have always valued a the position,
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Speaker 3: but they've always valued a veteran backup.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it was Kenny Pickett for a
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Speaker 4: little while before.
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Speaker 3: That, it was somebody whose names, Nick Foles was there,
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Speaker 3: you know. I mean, they've always had a veteran back up,
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Speaker 3: a Joe Flacco, you know. But then they've also been
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Speaker 3: a big proponent of drafting young quarterbacks as many, you know,
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Speaker 3: as often as possible to develop them. You know, we've
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Speaker 3: seen that with Thorston, We've seen that with Hurts, We've
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Speaker 3: seen that.
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Speaker 4: With Cole Payton.
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Speaker 3: Now we saw it last year with Kyle McCord. So
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Speaker 3: it's great philosophy. I just it's just rare that you
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Speaker 3: see it. And then you have four.
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Speaker 4: Guys on the fifty three. So what are they looking for?
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Speaker 3: Honestly, they don't have a template, right because we've discussed
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Speaker 3: how often they've had a quarterback like Jalen Hurts who
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Speaker 3: can run and give you all sorts of rushing production.
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Speaker 3: They have a quarterback like Tanner McKee, who's not ever
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Speaker 3: going to run and give you a rushing production. They
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Speaker 3: just like the position and like to have as much
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Speaker 3: talent at it as possible. And yes, they do prefer
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Speaker 3: to have someone who, if your starter goes down, has
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Speaker 3: been through some wars there, and Dalton certainly has, Flacco
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Speaker 3: has you know, pick. It had at least been a
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Speaker 3: starter for the Steelers in a very tough division for
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Speaker 3: a while. So it sounded it felt like they were
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Speaker 3: trying to get the best of both worlds there with
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Speaker 3: McKee and Dalton, But then they drafted Cole Payton and
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Speaker 3: then it all just to me didn't make sense in
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Speaker 3: terms of a long term plan.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure they have one.
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like from the outside looking in, it
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Speaker 3: doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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Speaker 1: Well, at this point, Jeff, do you think that Howie
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Speaker 1: Roseman is saying if either one of the quarterbacks have
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Speaker 1: any value on the trade market.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure he is, And then I'm sure people are
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Speaker 3: calling him I asking about it. The question I have
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Speaker 3: to ask yourself is what is the market now for Dalton?
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Speaker 4: Who is what?
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Speaker 3: Thirty eight has not put great film this preseason on?
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Speaker 3: You know, it was okay last.
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Speaker 4: Year when he had to play with the Panthers.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I mean I do think
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Speaker 3: that there probably is. It's no, I wouldn't say no market.
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Speaker 3: Every team always likes to have a good veteran backup.
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Speaker 3: And we'll have to see if somebody wants to take
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Speaker 3: Andy Dalton off the Eagles hands or kind of call,
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Speaker 3: you know, dare them to keep for QBS and see
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Speaker 3: what kind of roster, you know, maneuvering the Eagles will do.
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Speaker 1: Jeff at running back, You're looking at the backup quarterback.
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Speaker 1: What about the running back situation. Carson Steele obviously had
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Speaker 1: a night on Saturday. You've got Shipley back. There is
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Speaker 1: the backup running back. Even a conversation or something that
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Speaker 1: the Eagles are even considering right now.
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Speaker 3: Here's the conver station, you know. And it's funny because we're,
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Speaker 3: you know, the beat writers. We all kind of discuss
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Speaker 3: things on I'm just amongst ourselves. There's some you know,
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Speaker 3: Jimmy Keemski, my colleague in Philly Voice, he really thinks
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Speaker 3: that that Carson Steele is playing himself onto the fifty three.
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Speaker 3: And I think it's a fair argument if you believe
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Speaker 3: that that the Eagles like to keep running backs, and
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Speaker 3: they've kept for quite a bit. But the argument is
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Speaker 3: also that when they do that, that guy tends to
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Speaker 3: collect dust. Right, whether it's aj Dillon, whether it's Rashad Penny.
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Speaker 3: It's been other guys in the past who just basically
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Speaker 3: sit there and don't play tray sermon for.
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Speaker 4: A while, right, They they just don't play.
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Speaker 3: And Saquon's your workhorse, Bigsby, we're all talking about maybe
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Speaker 3: seeing an expanded role.
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Speaker 4: And Shipley's had a really good camp.
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Speaker 3: And if you're gonna get somebody on the field to
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Speaker 3: give you a little juice in the uh in the
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Speaker 3: passing game, that's not.
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Speaker 4: Saquon Shipley looks like he's pretty good there.
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Speaker 3: So my argument would be there's no reason to keep
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Speaker 3: Carson Steel unless you've got some kind of fullback idea
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Speaker 3: in mind.
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Speaker 4: Interestingly, today I practice, they threw Dallas Goddard in a
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Speaker 4: fullback role on a snap. That was interesting.
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Speaker 3: But even if they keep them, what's he gonna do?
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Speaker 4: I mean, how much time?
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Speaker 3: Why would you expand when you when you break it
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Speaker 3: down this way, right, you're looking at maybe having to keep.
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Speaker 4: We just talked about four quarterbacks, right, at least three.
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Speaker 3: If you're looking at maybe having to keep these two
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Speaker 3: kids that they brought onto the team from Africa, right,
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Speaker 3: Joshua Waru and u Ar Bernard, knowing that they're not
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Speaker 3: going to play, but you're gonna have to occupy two
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Speaker 3: spots in your fifty three.
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Speaker 4: How do you also keep a fourth running back?
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Speaker 3: Knowing you need to keep a lot of offensive lineman
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Speaker 3: and defensive lineman. You're gonna have to keep a couple
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Speaker 3: of different safeties and corners. The math at some point
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Speaker 3: just doesn't add up if you're just keeping all these guys.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's something that's gonna come up as we
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Speaker 1: have further conversations based on two games.
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Speaker 2: You look at wide receiver.
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Speaker 1: He got good news today that Lemon was finally able
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Speaker 1: to practice, So that's something there. Obviously you have you know,
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Speaker 1: Ques Watkins has fifty three snaps, Tory forty five, You've
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Speaker 1: got Covey here, You've got Cooper here. When you look
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Speaker 1: at the wide receivers, has this Have these two games
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Speaker 1: done anything to clear that position up?
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Speaker 4: You know?
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Speaker 2: Not really?
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Speaker 3: Now the interesting in today is Lemon's practicing for the
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Speaker 3: first time in.
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Speaker 4: A while right weeks yep, full practice.
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Speaker 3: He he looked like a guy that the coaches were
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Speaker 3: trying to make up three weeks of time in one session.
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Speaker 3: I mean the amount of motion pre snap motion and
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Speaker 3: him running. He must have ran more ten times more
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Speaker 3: yards horizontally than vertically today. I mean he motion left
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Speaker 3: across the line, screamers motion right across the liner. Oh,
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Speaker 3: left then right, then right then left. I mean they
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Speaker 3: were he must his conditioning is probably gonna be pretty
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Speaker 3: good after after today because he was, which is good
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Speaker 3: to see. By the way, that's supposed to be a
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Speaker 3: big part of this offense.
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Speaker 4: Sean Mannion's bringing that.
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Speaker 3: We we've seed it at times in practice, but not
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Speaker 3: as heavy as today, where you have that pre slat motion,
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Speaker 3: that bootleg play action off of it, which gets you
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Speaker 3: some nice, easy, theoretically easy pitch and catch situations. We
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Speaker 3: saw a little bit of that Saturday against the Patriots.
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Speaker 4: So what has it changed?
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Speaker 3: No, because I think you know you're one and two
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Speaker 3: are cemented. They are they're DeVante Smith and Dontavian Wicks.
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Speaker 4: Your slot receiver is Makai Lemon.
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Speaker 3: He lined up a lot there today because you know
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Speaker 3: he still has two weeks. That's the benefit of the
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Speaker 3: late start. I mean, he'll be ready. As long as
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Speaker 3: he doesn't suffer another energy injury, he'll be ready. The
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Speaker 3: question is just how much will he be ready for?
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Speaker 3: How much eleven personnel will they play? Will they play
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Speaker 3: more twelve? But the pecking order will be those three
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Speaker 3: guys Wix, Lemon and Smith as the number one, and
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Speaker 3: we'll see if Hollywood Brown gets folded in there and
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Speaker 3: Darius Cooper two.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so wide receiver. Obviously, it would be nice to
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Speaker 1: see Lemon and I don't know. I don't think he's
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Speaker 1: gonna play in the last game here, but it will
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Speaker 1: be nice to see him get consistent practice rep so
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Speaker 1: that he can have a role by week one. Is
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Speaker 1: that something that's possible you think?
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Speaker 4: Is it possible? Yes?
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Speaker 3: I mean think about how much they have now between
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Speaker 3: now and week one. Right, You've got tomorrow night's open
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Speaker 3: practice at the link. You've got Wednesday another practice, so
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Speaker 3: i'll be three practices. Did he was limited quote unquote
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Speaker 3: against the Patriots? Are so means he was on a field.
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Speaker 3: He didn't do any of that team work, but he
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Speaker 3: was running, so I mean he's getting involved.
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Speaker 4: And then after the Bengals game.
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Speaker 3: They'll resume next week, they'll have a week, they'll have
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Speaker 3: about two weeks worth of practices there before they actually
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Speaker 3: have to play in a game.
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Speaker 4: So if you consider this week, those two weeks.
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Speaker 3: And plus the factory did a little bit of stuff
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Speaker 3: last week, that's gonna be almost a month of work.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, for the opener.
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Speaker 3: So again, my thing is it's about usage, not availability,
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Speaker 3: the availabilit He should be there as long as he's healthy.
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Speaker 3: You said you held a question about knowing the offense
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Speaker 3: and everything, So.
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Speaker 1: All right, so we looked at the running backs of
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Speaker 1: the wide receivers at tight end here. You know, you
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Speaker 1: take a look at that position in Sean Mannion's offense
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Speaker 1: and you take a look at what they've done so far.
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Speaker 1: Eli Stowers has not had a big impact. I think
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Speaker 1: Dalton was a Dalton that kind of overthrew him in
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Speaker 1: the game. But how is that position kind of maticulating
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Speaker 1: after two games?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to if you were to ask me, like,
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Speaker 3: what position do I think Howie Roseman was most likely
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Speaker 3: to make a move at to really make sure he
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Speaker 3: has a what they need at, it would be tight end? Maybe, say,
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Speaker 3: I know, safety was the hot position to talk about
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Speaker 3: for that going into camp, I'm not as concerned about
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Speaker 3: safety with the gem with Michael Carter to the junior
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Speaker 3: playing all right, Apps being there, I think they're they're okay,
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Speaker 3: not great, but they're okay.
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Speaker 4: Tight end.
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Speaker 3: I think that they're gonna have some real struggles Mike
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Speaker 3: trying to do things operationally, whether you're in when you're
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Speaker 3: in twelve personnel, if they want to try thirteen personnel,
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Speaker 3: if you want to go jumbo at times, I think
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Speaker 3: they're gonna have some just some difficulty there because if
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Speaker 3: you're playing multiple tight ends, you've got to be able
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Speaker 3: to not tell the defense what you're doing.
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Speaker 4: But you know, if you have Mont.
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Speaker 3: And Goddard on the field, you know you're you're probably
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Speaker 3: running and if you're passing, you're really limiting yourself to
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Speaker 3: just four outlets because Month is not much of a
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Speaker 3: pass catcher, right, But if you take Month off and
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Speaker 3: put Stours on, if he's ready, if not, if it's
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Speaker 3: Calcatara or cam Latu is a guy that I'm not
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Speaker 3: sure is going to make the fifty three now. I
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Speaker 3: just don't see how they can do everything they want
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Speaker 3: to do with this current set of tight ends without
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Speaker 3: being fully fully transparent.
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Speaker 1: I thought one of the storylines of the night was
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Speaker 1: the depth of the offensive line kind of showed Jeff,
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Speaker 1: you take a look at the battles that are emerging there.
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Speaker 1: I thought the big takeaway was the fact that the
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Speaker 1: second and third units looked like they were capable.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Adam and I talked about that on the pod
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Speaker 3: that dropped this morning inside the Birds, And if there's one,
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Speaker 3: you know, we always caution, and we do it with
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Speaker 3: you as well, like to your listeners. You know, you
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Speaker 3: can't just just not a lot. You can take out
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Speaker 3: a training camp and extrapolate to how things are gonna
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Speaker 3: go in the regular season.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 3: But if there's one thing that I feel I can
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Speaker 3: plant my flag in is that their offensive line depth
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Speaker 3: will be improved from last year. When you're talking about
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Speaker 3: your three guys off the bench last year were Fred Johnson,
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Speaker 3: Matt Pryor, and Brett Toth Right, this year you're talking
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Speaker 3: about Fred Johnson, Markel Bell, Drew Kendall, and then even
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Speaker 3: past that, guys like Willie Lampkin and Jake Majors. I thought,
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Speaker 3: move people. You know, I don't know if I'll make
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Speaker 3: the fifty three. But I like what I've seen. Again,
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Speaker 3: I don't know how any of these guys other than
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Speaker 3: Fred would hold up if they had to play like
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Speaker 3: three or four regular season real games. But I don't
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Speaker 3: think they'd be any worse than or any much of
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Speaker 3: a liability than toath Well. And Matt Pryor was who
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Speaker 3: had a good camp by the way, last last year,
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Speaker 3: you remember him. He came into that Rams game. He
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Speaker 3: was a turnstile and then they had to take Jet.
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Speaker 1: Last year, we felt that, man, they added all this
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Speaker 1: depth to the offensive line, getting a guy like Prior,
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Speaker 1: and they had some of these veteran guys, and you
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Speaker 1: were like, man, uh, the problem was a lot of
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Speaker 1: those veteran players seemingly hit the end of the road.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, And again that's why I'm a little cautious
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Speaker 3: about what I've seen. But you know, you're talking about
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Speaker 3: with Kendall, you're talking about second year player, good bloodlines,
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Speaker 3: put on weight, has ran with the first and second team,
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Speaker 3: moved people.
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Speaker 4: In the game, you know. So I'm not I don't
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Speaker 4: think we're seeing fools gold there.
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Speaker 3: I just think we're seeing a pretty good player who's
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Speaker 3: developing in year two and Listen.
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Speaker 4: I don't have to tell you about Mark L.
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Speaker 2: Bell.
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Speaker 3: You could see it with your own eyes. I mean,
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Speaker 3: he's gigantic, you know. I mean, do I think if
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Speaker 3: you had a him right away at right tackle for
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Speaker 3: three or four ge Like, let's say Ryan Johnson gets
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Speaker 3: hurt week one and you he has to start. Is
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Speaker 3: he gonna get exposed in things like pass protection or
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Speaker 3: even playing a little.
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Speaker 4: Too high in the run game at certain times on
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Speaker 4: the wide zone.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's not a deal, but I you know,
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Speaker 3: I remember what it looked like with with with Matt
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Speaker 3: Pryor out there, and it was not good. So at
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Speaker 3: least you have somebody who's young that you're moldings, you know,
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Speaker 3: gonna go out there and is enormous and just can
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Speaker 3: fall forward on a guy and give you some space.
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Speaker 3: And of course you have Fred there as well. So
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Speaker 3: I just do I do believe depth will be better.
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Speaker 3: And then the question becomes will they be relied upon?
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Speaker 3: And the two guys that I really can't tell you
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Speaker 3: about because training camp is just training camp, is how
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Speaker 3: Lane Johnson and Landon Dickerson are gonna look Week one,
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Speaker 3: Week two going forward.
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Speaker 1: Jeff Boscher Football at four from the Inside of the Birds
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Speaker 1: podcast Philly Voice dot Com. And uh, you know, let's
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Speaker 1: look at the defense. You mentioned Josh we Rue and
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Speaker 1: who are Bernard? Those two guys. You know Bernard is
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Speaker 1: or we had the sack the other night. Bernard is
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Speaker 1: starting to you know, flash a little bit here, and
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Speaker 1: you wonder what they do with some of the edge
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Speaker 1: rushers on this team. You got Abachetti at Panessa, they
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Speaker 1: got fifteen snaps a piece. So where are they after
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Speaker 1: two games at that spot?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So Vic Fangio said last week something interesting about Grenard.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we already knew he had said it the
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Speaker 3: week before that Grenard is probably not going to be
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Speaker 3: able to play a camp, so we'll see week one.
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Speaker 3: So he said, you know, I'm really looking for both
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Speaker 3: Epanessa and Aka to really step up. And so that
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Speaker 3: was sort of a signal to me that Vick is
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Speaker 3: already thinking about week one, not sure about Grenard and
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Speaker 3: really opening up that rotation from three to four, which
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Speaker 3: we talked about that he's been reluctant.
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Speaker 4: To do in the past and playing for edge rusher.
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Speaker 3: So I think that helps Epinessa's chance to make the
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Speaker 3: team now and then as you're mentioning you're gonna it
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Speaker 3: will be a risk to explode, expose Joshua U with
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Speaker 3: all that athleticism, what he showed to Waivers. So if
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Speaker 3: you're keeping that guy, then you're probably keeping six edges
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Speaker 3: because Grenard's not gonna start. They're on pup unless they
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Speaker 3: think he's four weeks away, which nobody has given that indication. Right,
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Speaker 3: So that's gonna be again when we talk about numbers
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Speaker 3: and you're trying to see how many people are gonna
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Speaker 3: make it in certain positions, if they're keeping six edges
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Speaker 3: at least for until they're ready to go, for like
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Speaker 3: Grenard's really ready to play as many snaps and then
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Speaker 3: they can maybe cut loose somebody, but for now they
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Speaker 3: may have to keep six edges and Vic might play four.
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Speaker 3: So that's sort of an interesting roster discussion there. And
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Speaker 3: the Bernard, Right, Bernard, you asked about two. You saw
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Speaker 3: Tyro Robinson come on, you know, Byron Young didn't even
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Speaker 3: play because he's already the fourth tackle. So now we're
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Speaker 3: talking about six d t's that are probably gonna be
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Speaker 3: on the fifty three.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna, you know, Bernard would be more of
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Speaker 1: an interior guy. We would be more of an outside guy.
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Speaker 1: But Robinson, who just I mean was an All Pro
17:06
Speaker 1: the other night. I don't know how much that matters
17:08
Speaker 1: for him, but he was a fourth round pick, and
17:10
Speaker 1: you wonder where now that puts him in the pecking order.
17:15
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no pecking order, there's just making the
17:18
Speaker 3: fifty three, you know, right, it's developed.
17:20
Speaker 4: I mean vic Vic has said it, and it's pretty obvious.
17:23
Speaker 3: I mean, these guys are years away from being years away, right,
17:26
Speaker 3: I mean what Jordan Mailata took two to three years
17:30
Speaker 3: before he was on the field, and he had to
17:32
Speaker 3: overcome some back injuries too.
17:34
Speaker 4: Remember I've talked about this.
17:35
Speaker 3: These guys are taking a punishment on their body that
17:38
Speaker 3: they have never absorbed in their entire life. They didn't
17:41
Speaker 3: have Pop Warner, they didn't have you know, high school ball,
17:44
Speaker 3: they didn't have college ball to like get their body
17:47
Speaker 3: used to what they're going through now. So you have
17:49
Speaker 3: to hope these guys continue to stay healthy, unless, of course,
17:52
Speaker 3: there's the phantom ir stash that you always have to
17:55
Speaker 3: wonder if that comes into play.
17:57
Speaker 4: But they're not guys.
17:59
Speaker 3: I believe at this moment that we're going to talk
18:02
Speaker 3: about as anything other than making the fifty three because
18:05
Speaker 3: they are maya a lotta like developmental projects, will not
18:09
Speaker 3: see the field at all in year one.
18:13
Speaker 2: Does Robinson have any shot to do anything?
18:17
Speaker 4: Yeah? To make the team?
18:18
Speaker 2: Yeah?
18:18
Speaker 4: And then I get the spirit of the question.
18:22
Speaker 3: It's going to be very difficult to find snaps for
18:25
Speaker 3: him when you've got four guys already at five really right,
18:30
Speaker 3: you've got Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, Moro Joma, and Byron
18:33
Speaker 3: Young ahead of them.
18:34
Speaker 4: But where he's different from.
18:36
Speaker 3: Byron Young, who can play multiple spots and is good
18:40
Speaker 3: good power player. I mean, Robinson you can see has
18:42
Speaker 3: some pass rush. He's got a great club move. I
18:45
Speaker 3: mean it's I can't call it great, it's a very
18:47
Speaker 3: effective club move. And that's really helped him have a
18:50
Speaker 3: very good camp in preseason. And you know, there might
18:55
Speaker 3: be some opportunities for Vic to throw him in there
18:57
Speaker 3: in a four man rush in a game where a
18:59
Speaker 3: lot of guys have to play a lot of snaps,
19:00
Speaker 3: like you're playing the Rams and Bears. Right week three
19:03
Speaker 3: and Week four, those are really good offenses there. They're
19:05
Speaker 3: probably gonna be on the field quite a bit. Those
19:07
Speaker 3: offenses because they just know how to move the ball
19:10
Speaker 3: in general, and so there'll be a lot of reps
19:12
Speaker 3: for the defense and maybe there's some time to get
19:15
Speaker 3: Robinson on the field to show that that move and
19:17
Speaker 3: that development. But it's not gonna be a whole lot.
19:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the hard part is it's much like the
19:23
Speaker 1: linebacker position. You see Jeremiah Trotter sacks all over the
19:26
Speaker 1: place when he's played in regular season games, he's been active.
19:30
Speaker 1: You just don't know, other than an injury, how he
19:33
Speaker 1: gets onto the field that anybody else stand out at
19:36
Speaker 1: linebacker and.
19:37
Speaker 4: Linebacker man, you know, man, poor Jeremiah Trotter junior.
19:42
Speaker 3: You know, if you were born five years earlier and
19:45
Speaker 3: came to the Eagles around twenty eighteen nineteen, you know,
19:49
Speaker 3: he would have been like their best line back.
19:51
Speaker 4: It's just like c. Jeward. He would have been their
19:53
Speaker 4: best linebacker by like ten miles, right.
19:55
Speaker 3: And now he's in the rare era where you're a
19:59
Speaker 3: really good, instinctual, smart, fundamentally found inside linebacker and you
20:06
Speaker 3: can't somehow get into the starting lineup.
20:08
Speaker 4: For the Eagles.
20:09
Speaker 3: You know who would have thought that, right, But that's
20:11
Speaker 3: the situation. A first round picks ahead of him, and
20:14
Speaker 3: all pro is ahead of him. Ken Vic find ways
20:17
Speaker 3: you know, this is something Adam and I have talked about.
20:18
Speaker 3: Can you find ways to get Trotter on the field
20:22
Speaker 3: maybe then swing Bond down on the edges in a
20:26
Speaker 3: certain kind of like I don't know six'.
20:28
Speaker 4: Two, Look, no that wouldn't be right because then you
20:31
Speaker 4: don't only have three people available in your. Secondary So
20:34
Speaker 4: i'm just showing you how it, is how tough it.
20:35
Speaker 3: Is right, now you can put porn on the edge
20:37
Speaker 3: Because vick has done that, before but then you're taking
20:40
Speaker 3: somebody from that front four or front five off and
20:43
Speaker 3: those front four from five are all all pros, too
20:46
Speaker 3: or really good, players right you're talking About davis And
20:48
Speaker 3: carter And.
20:49
Speaker 4: Hunt who's really coming? On had a great practice, Today Nolan.
20:53
Speaker 4: Smith so, again, yeah there.
20:54
Speaker 3: Are, opportunities just like with Ty, robbinson to maybe get
20:57
Speaker 3: him on the field for a few snaps just to
21:00
Speaker 3: like tinker with some.
21:01
Speaker 4: Packages but unless somebody gets, hurt.
21:03
Speaker 2: There's just not a, Pathway, no there is.
21:06
Speaker 3: Not it feels like it feels like For trotter And,
21:09
Speaker 3: robinson like next, year you, know if A jomo moves
21:13
Speaker 3: on that would be an opportunity For robinson to like
21:16
Speaker 3: have a good year this year and his limited snaps
21:18
Speaker 3: and then replace The ajomo role if. Possible and then you,
21:21
Speaker 3: KNOW i, know they did something weird With bond's, contract
21:24
Speaker 3: and for whatever, reason this winds up BEING i think
21:27
Speaker 3: this is the last year of his, deal, right or
21:28
Speaker 3: is this the second year of the three year?
21:30
Speaker 4: DEAL i can't.
21:31
Speaker 2: Remember.
21:32
Speaker 3: Second, Yeah but for whatever, reason if that third, year
21:34
Speaker 3: if he's not the same, guy or or they don't
21:37
Speaker 3: want to pay that money and he becomes, expendable maybe
21:41
Speaker 3: Then trotter moves in next To.
21:42
Speaker 4: Campbell but that to me is, LIKE i, mean we're
21:44
Speaker 4: talking a year from now.
21:46
Speaker 1: Already, WELL i Mean campbell is in the greatest you,
21:49
Speaker 1: know bill of health.
21:50
Speaker 2: Throughout you need you do need depth.
21:53
Speaker 1: There, lastly you look at the secondary and what has
21:56
Speaker 1: emerged here over the first two. Games what do we
22:00
Speaker 1: see how the storylines have emerged through two games in the?
22:04
Speaker 3: Secondary, WELL i think the biggest second story in the,
22:07
Speaker 3: Secondary mike is despite their you, know acquisitions of like
22:13
Speaker 3: three hundred corners over the last two, years they really
22:15
Speaker 3: don't have a third corner or fourth for that, matter
22:19
Speaker 3: but a third you, know they've always looked for a
22:21
Speaker 3: good backup. Corner But Jonathan jones is thirty. Three he's
22:24
Speaker 3: been out of practice for almost two weeks now or
22:26
Speaker 3: more than two. Weeks it doesn't there's no word if
22:30
Speaker 3: he's coming back. Soon and he's also thirty, three IF
22:33
Speaker 3: i didn't mention that, Already so who's the top? Backup
22:37
Speaker 3: If Jonathan jones isn't ready or doesn't make the, team
22:40
Speaker 3: then you get into the killering goes, again and the
22:43
Speaker 3: mac McWilliams and The Jacoryan bennetts and you know Three
22:46
Speaker 3: Castro fields was having a nice camp and he's ON ir,
22:48
Speaker 3: now so he's out of the. Picture AND i don't
22:51
Speaker 3: think anybody is real impressed with How Ambry thomas Or
22:55
Speaker 3: Sean wade played in the fourth quarter.
22:57
Speaker 4: Of that Game saturday.
22:58
Speaker 3: Night so, again your situation, is if you get an
23:04
Speaker 3: injury to, woman or if you get an injury To,
23:06
Speaker 3: mitchell do you then have to pull The gene out
23:09
Speaker 3: of safety play in a, corner put somebody else at,
23:12
Speaker 3: safety you, know whether It's EPs Or, carter who they
23:17
Speaker 3: believe are good, players but in third, role number three
23:20
Speaker 3: roles not starting roles, Right and THEN i don't know
23:24
Speaker 3: if they truly believe In cooper De gene as an
23:26
Speaker 3: outside corner or else they wouldn't have gone and paid
23:29
Speaker 3: twelve million For. Riequill and they like the Gene mores
23:32
Speaker 3: And nicols slash safety for, now and when they drafted
23:34
Speaker 3: him it was one.
23:35
Speaker 4: Thing now it's.
23:36
Speaker 3: Another SO i think that's the biggest question mark is
23:39
Speaker 3: how healthy can this secondary stay because the depth at
23:43
Speaker 3: some spots is gonna be.
23:44
Speaker 1: Shaky by the, Way Zach baughn has no guaranteed money left.
23:50
Speaker 2: Right after this.
23:50
Speaker 3: Season, yeah so so that's just maybe that's why maybe
23:54
Speaker 3: there's an opportunity if he's not with the team next
23:56
Speaker 3: year For, trotter then slide in next To, campbell who.
24:00
Speaker 1: Knows all right, there you, go two preseason games, down
24:04
Speaker 1: one More Friday, night and then the fifty three will
24:07
Speaker 1: be set as The eagles get ready For washington to
24:11
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24:15
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24:30
Speaker 2: Bash all, right, brother we'll talk to you all.
24:32
Speaker 4: Right Thanks, mike talk to Your wednesday.
24:34
Speaker 2: Night Jeff, moscher, everybody he'll be. Back whens