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#724 Weak Men Create Hard Times: Tom Undercover, Nick Shirley Attacked, Predators Free, Kids Abused · Claymore: Become Who You Are

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if people realize this, Tom, but sixty million adults are walking around the United States today, just in our country, sixty million that have been sexually abused as children.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_01: One out of every four girls and one out of every six boys was sexually abused as children.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: So we're covering that up, and it's doing two things.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: We're not going after the predators, and we're not identifying them, and we're not helping the child.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_03: Well, the thing that we have today is that uh less than two percent of the predators ever get caught.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_03: Less or two percent are exposed.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_03: And the reason for that is because of the secrecy around us.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_03: Let's say uh a lot of times people get the misunderstanding about what a um uh what a child victim of sexual abuse is like.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it really it's it's a breakdown of marriage, a breakdown of family, a breakdown of nur uh uh of nurturing children properly.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: And we wonder why we have so much mental illness today, so much anxiety, depression, suicidal thoughts.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: We're killing the unborn, we're killing the old people, disabled people, and and kids feel it in their heart.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: I am here with my good friend Thomas Hampson.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: Tom's a crime investigator, and like Nick Shirley's of the world, we all get beat up, Tom, don't we?
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: Just for standing up for what's true, good, and beautiful.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll tell you, Tom, at the end of the day, my wife's asked me why I stopped going to parties in general, uh just these social parties.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, you know, honey, I I'm done with the small talk.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: I really am.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm done with small-minded men, weak men, and won't even stand up or oblivious to what's going on around them.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I really try to surround myself with men who sense this attack on their families, on children, on their neighborhoods, on their nation.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing evil out there.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: And if people can't stand up, they're afraid, Tom.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: Are men afraid or are they oblivious?
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and I'm speaking about men here because God bless them, I don't know what the percentage is, and I don't want to pick on women because I know some really good strong ones, like Mary Miller here in Illinois and others.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: But so many of them I meet at these parties.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: My wife kicks me because she knows this one is for transing their kids, and this woman is for uh aborting their children, and this one is for no banning of any pornography in their in the kids' schools.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't make it up.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: But at least with men, I they can they'll they'll they'll debate me a little bit back and forth, or they sheepishly look down and they walk away, uh Tom.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: But the ones that are standing, I get two two kinds, right?
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: Guys that understand this, which I would say would be really a minority.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: Or they're at least questioning, like they'll they'll stick around and just and banter back and forth, you know.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I can't believe how many people I talked to voted for Biden and Kamala Harris and have no understanding.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know what they were thinking, Tom.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'll I'll ask who voted for Biden and Kamala Harris.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, a couple hands will go up and I I say, why?
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: And really nobody has an answer.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: We gotta wake guys up because we're not gonna last much longer.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think the midterms are gonna come up here and we're gonna lose those just because uh, you know, uh people don't understand what Trump's doing in Iran.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't see the good that he did, but just a couple things that I come to mind.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he pushed Roe v.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: Wade abortion uh back to the states.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: He is pushing back against these uh gender ideologies, and what we're gonna be talking about today, finally, finally, somebody had the guts to go after the Southern Poverty Law Center.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_01: We want to talk about that.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: We want to talk about these are all articles you just wrote, conversion therapy.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: Finally, the Supreme Court stood up and said, no, you know, people should have the right to talk to children, psychologists, therapists should have the right, especially when you when these young people are coming to them and saying, look at I'm uncomfortable, help me, help me.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_01: And we're finally coming out of this this point where therapists couldn't do anything but affirm them in their mental illnesses.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's astounding.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: And then bill number 5295, which you call the Predator Protection Act.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: And here's Tom's uh newsletter, and I'll put this link in the show notes.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: But these are his latest articles, and I want everybody, you know, we're not gonna be time uh have time today to unpack these in great detail, but I want to just go over some of these with you.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: Tom's just got a number of these articles really exposing fraud, exposing the corruption, and we have to stand up.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: And we can't get overwhelmed with this.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: So Southern Poverty Law Center and Empire Built on Fear, we're gonna touch on that, the Predator Protection Act, and when speech is silenced, especially when it comes uh for ethics reform and talk therapy.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: So we want to just talk about this.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: I also want to bring up uh Nick Shirley.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna play just a clip from this, uh Tom, and then we'll get into it a little bit more.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: But he's gonna he's he's just pulling over in this car.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: Nick Shirley, as everybody knows or should know, is this young guy, 24 years old, exposed all that uh Somali fraud,$9 billion in Minnesota, and just got attacked mercilessly for that.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: Goes out to California and exposes double or triple the fraud, gets attacked again by the by the government out there, by people, and and the death threats, uh Tom, against them.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: Now, this is it for exposing fraud, and it reminds me of Doge just uh last year, where Elon Musk's Tesla um uh dealerships and and cars were getting bombed just because he was he was pushing back against the inefficiencies in government.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: And you can't make this stuff up.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: So let me play just a clip from here.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_02: So the threats and the risk are actually very real.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, today, April 27th, is a day that I'm supposedly supposed to die according to a threat made on the internet.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, it's a photo of me in a ditch with a decapitated head that says this is gonna be you on April 27th, 2026, in a muddy ditch alongside the highway with your mother.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_02: Enjoy your last couple of months, buddy.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_02: So I share this not to scare people, but to more so show them what it's actually like um kind of being in in the political climate, not just seeing it from the outside, but being someone who's actually living through it, uh, especially with the last assassination attempt on Donald Trump.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_02: The threats are real, and you do have a small percentage of the country, even if it's just one percent, that has gone radical.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_02: And now I'm not sharing this stuff with you guys to make you guys scared for me.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_02: More so I am just sharing this so you guys can actually understand what it's actually like living in the political climate.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_03: All right, um, yeah, well, I was a few years older than him.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it was uh uh when I worked undercover in the Ku Klux Klan for about two years.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so let's talk about that because you also were privy to when we talk about the Southern Poverty Law Center.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's connected.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: You were undercover.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: Why don't you give us a little history on that?
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: And and and let's start out with the Southern Poverty Law Center, uh, Tom.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: Just before you get into that, just give us a little brief overview of who they are.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: People should know them.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: Certainly we know them if you're a Christian standing up against abortion, gender ideologies, you're attacked for hate crimes, just like Nick is for corruption.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: Anything to do with what's true, good, and beautiful, anything to do with justice, true justice, or what's right, you get attacked as a hater.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: You can't make this up, can you?
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_03: Well, they they really became famous.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_03: It was started by Morris Dees back sometime in the mid-70s or early 70s, I can't recall exactly when it was.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_03: But he started it in order to go after the uh violences being perpetrated by the Ku Klux Klan.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_03: That was his full primary focus.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_03: And that's actually how they first became known to the public was through their attack on the on the Ku Klux Klan.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_03: So he was engaged in that effort right at the same time that I was undercover in the Klan.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_03: They had come out with a few years later, they came out with a newsletter called Klan Watch that um it published information about the Klan, what was going on in the Klan, what they were doing about it.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_03: They had become famous because they sued the United Clans of America, which happened to be the branch of the Klan that I was undercover in.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_03: I became a leader in that organization.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_03: But I also knew all of the other Klan leaders and in the other branches, and I was very knowledgeable of all the other right-wing organization leaders.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_03: I knew I knew uh Frank Collin, who was the leader of the Nazis, I knew Robert DePew, who was the leader of the Minutemen, and uh, and a bunch of others, the Posse Comitatists, the National States Rights Party, all these groups, uh they kind of interchanged members, they would go from one group to another group.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_03: So I knew I knew them all.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_03: Dees came out with Clan Watch right about the time I became chief investigator of the of the commission.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it came to my attention, this clan watch, and I thought, oh, this is pretty interesting.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I and I followed the clan watch uh as long as I stayed with the state.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_03: And then when I left the state, um I contacted Dees and started my own business.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_03: I contacted Dees.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: So you you went you started as a private investigator then at that at that point.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: At that time.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: So Dees started along with someone else, the Southern Poverty Law Center.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: Then I think his name was.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_03: And so then he also had a a law firm.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_03: Well, in any way, I contacted him because I'd seen the clan watch and and knew that they were going after the Klan, and I figured, hey, you know, I might be able to help them in their in their efforts.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: So I called up Dees and had about a two-minute conversation with him, and I told him, I gave my background and why.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_03: He says, I knew I knew a lot of these people personally.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I knew I'd been to their house, you know, James Venable of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_03: I stayed at his house overnight one time.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's just uh it was uh crazy.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I quickly told Dees what my background was, that I was the chief investigator, that we wrote a report and all this kind of stuff and offered offered my assistance in uh in this, and I said be uh, you know, I'd love to help him.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_03: And he said very curtly, says, not interested, don't need your help.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I thought, well, this is this is really strange.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_03: And so now, all these years later, I began to see why, because he had no real intention to try to take down the Klan or take down all these right-wing organizations.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_03: He was just raising money off of the fear of them.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: And not only that, Tom, we found out later on, was he was actually funneling money back into and supporting these people.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because these look, when I left the c when I got out of the Klan, I had here in Illinois, I was the number two man in Illinois.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_03: And so I collected the uh names and addresses of not only all the Illinois Klansmen, but people from all over the country were asking me that they wanted my newsletter.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_03: So I got I got their names and addresses and and uh of all of them, every single one of them in the country that uh who wanted it.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_03: So there were it was a pretty large list.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_03: So when when I got out of the Klan and we issued the report, I sent uh the executive summary of the report to every single one of these people that were on the mailing list, which it said that uh you know the the number two guy in Illinois had been had been uh uh uh an agent.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_03: And so the Illinois Klan completely collapsed.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_03: I mean it just it just went out of existence.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_03: These guys, they just left and and a lot of the other guys in other organizations left too.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_03: So they just the very fact that I it was a that uh I sent them this this uh executive summary forced a lot of them to leave the organization.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_03: And so that so it was, I mean that and so you there was this constant effort to try to keep the the numbers of these organizations down.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_03: Well, if the numbers go down, then the their activities and the fear that they evoke goes down too, and they're the therefore the money, the fundraising efforts go down as well.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_03: So he he apparently wanted to keep the numbers up and the money flowing, so he bolstered their fear.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_03: But in addition to that, over the years he he expanded those groups that are um part of this hate map that he that he developed uh to conservative Christian organizations because they are hateful.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_03: So it went from the Klan to and the Nazis and the Posse Comatatis and all these other organizations to the American Family Association, even the even the newsletter I write for.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_03: So family institutes on there.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you're very aware of this, and and they're attacking you as a as a hate group, and I know you know the guys that run that very well.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and these are incredible people.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now, these these are the kind of people where I said in the beginning, I don't want to small talk and I don't want to work with weak men.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, these are strong men and women there, and and they really stand up for what's true, good, and beautiful, and they're going to get attacked.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: Now, now the Southern Poverty Law Center, we find out, has been collecting all this money.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, they collected$705 million in total revenue while maintaining net assets from$588 million to$708 million, including a large endowment.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Now, they shared that with these hate groups that we're talking about because they needed those hate groups to stay in business so that they can look like they're attacking those hate groups to get more donations.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Did I sum that up okay?
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's right.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: The in fact you can't make this stuff up.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_03: Charlotte's the Charlottesville riot that was back in 2020 or whatever wherever it was, looks like it was funded by them and you know and promoted by them and funded by their by their And now you wonder why when we see these protesters, the BLM, the Antifa, and all these guys come out, and they're professional agitators.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: And you in they're coming in from all over the country to say a place like Chicago or wherever they need them, and they actually pay them to come out.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: And and so again, we're paying these agitators to come out, and these endowments are making more and more money.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Finally, the Trump administration is going after them, and nobody would touch them.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is this this this was not unknown during the Biden administration, etc.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: And they wouldn't go after them because of the corrupt uh nature of the Biden administration.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: And and look at it, it wasn't just the Biden administration, the deep state, the deep church.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: So we we have quite a battle going on here when we expose this stuff.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: But again, when people pick on Trump, I guess the point I want to make is they're not afraid to go after these big organizations like this.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so they're pushing it back again, like I said, against the the killing of the innocent uh child in the womb.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: They're not going to be able to take it all back.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: They send it back to the states and say, okay, it's up to you guys now to to to to to carry this battle on.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: But they they took the uh these LBGTQ pushing this down on us.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: So let's let's get to the next part, Tom, where you were talking about the Supreme Court ruling of is it is it Child's or Chili, Chiles versus Salazar?
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_03: Salazar, I think.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: The Colorado's ban on conversion therapy.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: And uh tell us a little bit about that because uh the point is this is the same thing.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a different organization, it's a different way to approach this, but you have you you have professional organizations now that are supposed to be taking care of marriages, the families.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: You've got them listed in here, American Counseling Association, American Psychological Association, uh National Association of Social Workers, supposed to be helping.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: And at the end of the day, Tom, they shut down anybody that's what we call used to call conversion therapy, which is talk therapy, walking with.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: If if I'm a client, if I'm a client and I walk into an office of of a psychologist and I have a problem, same-sex attraction, call it, or whatever it would it would be, they no longer were allowed to just talk to me.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: They had to affirm me in, let's say I was a trans kid, affirm me in in my mental illness, basically, and by law.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: And and I know these guys, Tom.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: I I I worked with them through the John Paul II Renewal Center through with psychiatrists and psychologists that were trying to help these families that had to move into different areas outside of certain cities because they would get their license taken away.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_03: Well, the problem is that there was two layers here.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_03: This is where it gets a little bit more complicated.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: The law that the Supreme Court struck down on, you know, on First Amendment grounds was the the requirement that, in fact, they didn't really totally strike it down.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: They just the law wasn't stricken.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_03: It was it was they had the every one of these laws had to be judged according to strict standard, which means that you have to have a very good reason for putting a law like that in to undermine a um uh constitutional right.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_03: So there's a number of states that wound up passing this law.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_03: I think I can't remember the exact number what I what I wrote.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_03: I had it in the in the in my article, the exact number of states that have it.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: But in Illinois, for example, that law was passed, and I got involved in it when the first ban was passed in California.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: This is another one I had a personal involvement in back 15 years ago.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: We were trying to prevent these laws from being passed in California for for people that just jumped on, Tom, exactly to find those laws that you're you're you're talking about right now.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_03: It prohibited any um counselor, they couldn't they couldn't really do anything about about pastors.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: I mean pastor could still do what they wanted, but any licensed professional that uh provided psychological support, psychological help to anybody, they were not allowed to recommend conversion therapy.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: Conversion therapy itself was banned, and the only thing that they were allowed to do is affirm the identity, the sexual identity of the kids.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_03: So these laws basically eliminated the conversion therapy from from the various options.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: They got passed initially because let's define, again, for people that are new to this, Tom, conversion uh therapy, or or I like to call it talk therapy now.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's what it is.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_03: It's talk therapy, but it's the it's therapy for if a child comes in to you know for some kind of counseling, or anybody, it could be anybody comes in for counseling and they have a same-sex attraction, they want to be, they want to get rid of that same-sex attraction.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_03: So in other words, they want to be converted from gay to straight.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_03: That's what that's basically what this conversion therapy comes from.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_03: That they want whatever.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: They're uncomfortable with their their same-sex attraction, and they go, hey, I've been dealing with this, how can I get how can I they want to have a normal attraction?
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: Well, now normal is not normal.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's whatever, it's whatever you are, whatever you think, whatever whatever you feel is normal, which uh is contrary to what's been forever.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_03: So they they passed these laws in a number of different states to say this conversion therapy needs to be banned because it's um it's abusive.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: What they did was they conflated conversion therapy with what was known as ver aversion therapy.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_03: That's what it was.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's called aversion therapy.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_03: Because they both have version in them, you know, conversion, aversion.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: But the aversion therapy is one where they would, you know, if you expressed an interest, they would shock you or they would, you know, slap you, or whatever, uh whatever it might be.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: They used they used a negative reinforcement in order to try to convert somebody's internal feelings about something.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_03: It was based uh you know on Pavlov's study about what would attract, what would reinforce, and what would what would inhibit certain kinds of behaviors.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_03: And so, but aversion therapy has been gone for a long time.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: That was already gone when they passed these laws.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_03: They had lost uh any reputation whatsoever by then.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_03: But they had the the bills got passed because they there was a group that arranged to have false testimony presented at legislators across the country.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_03: One of those false test uh testifiers is that his uh the guy who later became the assistant secretary for Department of Energy, the trans guy or whatever he is.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh gosh, yeah.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: What a what a proof of the thing.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the guy that wound up stealing wound up stealing a bunch of luggage and everything.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he was he was looking for women's clothing and women's underwear and luggage in the airport.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: I investigated him fifteen years ago and found out his story, all his whole story that he testified to was fake.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: So he was telling lies, basically, as a testimony.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: testimony and we went along with that, huh?
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_03: And then on top of that, these these uh And what was he saying, Tom?
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: He was saying that he was he was what?
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: He was he was submitted to years of aversion therapy, which he called conversion therapy.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: He was shocked, he was g you know they alternated hot and cold like ice and heat and so basically he's saying that he was tortured.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it was tortured and it wasn't true that he was gay.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: And it was yeah and we we found out it wasn't true.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: Completely untrue and we passed the law on this right?
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah we and we passed the law I think it was 15 states maybe.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_03: But anyway there's a there's a number of states that passed the law to prohibit it.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_03: But at the same time professional organizations American Counseling Association, American Like Psychological Associations and a number of other professional organizations, including the School Counselors Association, developed ethics standards that prohibited the use of any kind of conversion therapy.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_03: Well the problem with the conversion therapy is that if you go in the studies have shown and and my own experience in doing investigations has shown that the substantial portion of people who identify as same-sex attracted have been the victim of sexual abuse.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: And now this is the important I want everybody to listen to this this is the important thing that's what happens.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: They have been subjected to sexual abuse.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: So if a child goes in or if a parent sends their child in to say well my son or my daughter is you know is struggling with same-sex attraction can you help her or can can you help him?
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_03: The counselor can do nothing under that law other than affirm that identity they can't say well you know you can be something else and they they don't they don't explore they can't really explore the child's sexual history.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_03: Well if you were under normal talk therapy which is what conversion therapy is a counselor would say well something like well how how did you arrive at that conclusion that your same sex or trans you remember the earliest time that this happened or they they might explore the origins of that feeling where that came from and then it might come out that it was well I had this experience with a with an older man and I felt really good and I and so ever since then I've been attracted to you know to older men if it's a boy.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_03: And that that would identify the predator and allow the the psychologist as a mandated reporter has to report to the police that hey this kid I'm counseling was sexually abused by some guy who is his teacher or his boy scout leader or whatever it was.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then that that would be further investigated and and dealt with but now by foreclosing even the questioning of this it eliminates the possibility of discovering these these predators and it's a substantial number of them these kids that are that wind up having the same sex attraction I think it's more than 50% but some of the I you know I don't my experience has been way more than 50% when I in the investigations I've done but according to some of these other experts it's so here here's the bottom line you know when you when when you uh uh don't allow talk therapy you don't allow a counselor or therapist to to dig into you know your background I just have to affirm you if you're if you're confused about your sexuality so many of these you know trans kids are really really confused so many of them like you said and and and also people with same sex attraction have been sexually abused that's just a reality I don't know if people realize this Tom but 60 million adults are walking around the United States today just in our country 60 million that have been sexually abused as children.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: One out of every four girl and one out of every six boys was sexually abused as children.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: So we're covering that up and it's doing two things.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: We're not going after the predators and we're not identifying them and we're not helping the child dig down deeply we're just saying well here's where you're at now let's just affirm you and and I'll just add this my brother died over this you know he was sexually abused as a child never told anybody our family didn't know about it it was it was an outsider who we trusted never it never came to the light and and in and in therapy they affirmed him in these same sex behaviors so he ends up getting into drugs to deal with this and then on top of that he gets into a same sex lifestyle he contracts AIDS and dies four years later and it was it was a rough uh death tom and and it didn't come out until he was dying on his deathbed that we found out that he was sexually abused as as a child.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: So so this is there's real consequences and finally uh the Supreme Court says what and maybe you know I want to segment into the next thing but but talk a little bit about free speech Tom and and how it doesn't apply I guess you know to these private organizations.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: But if I'm a counselor out you know do where does this come in?
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: How how does free speech work with with this private speech so that if if I'm uh speaking about these things I I know where this lands well the reason for this is the reason it's a free speech issue rather than a because there are times when the government can overcome the free speech issue if there's if there's good reason like under the strict construction rule.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_03: The reason it comes under this is because the research that was used to justify the law, the Supreme Court determined was no justification at all.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's still an open question as to what what the issue is.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_03: So you can't restrict a counselor from exploring the situation of the person in front of him and that because it's his right to question these standards that have been set up by somebody else.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_03: Because the standard it's it's like during the COVID thing where they said you got to stand six feet away from the other person.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta everybody's got to wear a mask even outside you can't go you can't have more than four people in a boat on Lake Michigan.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean these ridiculous things that they're arresting surfers they're arresting surfers in in California true story right and they're alone they're out there by themselves settled science and it was we found out was totally made up it was made up on the spot this law was the these laws were passed under the under the under the belief or under the representation that the the science behind it was settled.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_03: There's no more question to it this is absolutely the truth and the Supreme Court said oh no it's not it's not even close to the truth.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_03: So you can't restrict somebody from uh from exploring the subject yeah and that's what they were doing.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think the only one that voted against it was was was the Supreme Court justice that that couldn't identify the difference between a man and a woman am I right?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: In other words I'm not sure if she knows if she's a man or a woman.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and so it it's amazing.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: So again before we go on to the next segment at the end of the day Tom this is this is really an attack again it's a separation if you really dig in and I and again I'll post Tom's article so you can you learn more about this because Tom digs in pretty deep here but it's a way to separate parents take parents out of the equation it's a way to not get to the bottom of of the poor child who's suffering and who came in hoping to find some kind of relief and we don't go after the predators and and it they fight this tooth and nail and this is what we're up against.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_03: Well and they're uh and and this is really part of the effort because it goes back years of the removal of parental authority from supervision over the children that they're really trying to replace parental authority with the authority of the state.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: It's all part of the critical theory.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: Trevor Burrus And it's coming down all the way to our local levels we know this school board meetings under the Biden administration actually had the FBI and FBI SWAT teams arrest parents that were standing up at school board meetings.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: This is how blatant this stuff is and again I I just bring this up Tom because I want people to start standing up and just attend these school board meetings.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: When you see this kind of stuff going on we have to stand up and and you you know if enough people you and I have talked about this Tom if if in in a in a town of three hundred thousand people right these big towns around Chicago even the suburbs have have suburbs that you know like Naperville and stuff that are approaching three hundred thousand people Aurora just south of me has got uh 200 and something thousand people.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: If a handful of men 20, 25 men, would take turns, say in groups of 10 or something or uh 15, attend school board meetings once a month uh and and be vocal, we we would change all we could change all this, but they don't.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's amazing to me what was the uh the the Edmund Burke um what was this saying about evil?
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: All it's necessary for evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and that's exactly what we're doing.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_03: So again I wish we could bring home I wish we could take every signer of the Declaration of Independence bring them forward to this time and have a mandatory seminar as they speak about what what's wrong with us today.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and you know what even at a mandatory seminar guys wouldn't show up you know what they'd be doing Tom and this is what gets to my small talk thing in the beginning they want to be talking about the Cubs record or who the Bears are going to draft and I get it.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know those are fun things a little distraction here and there.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: But unless you're standing up and being a real man and and starting to say you know they're attacking children they're attacking families there's no way you fix the rest of this stuff.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_03: So I I'll leave it at there but guys gotta wait I love the bears and I spend a lot of time thinking about them but it is a distraction from what I normally do.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah well they're distracting themselves from that's 95% of the time you're working hard right and then you get a you get a little break.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's okay.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: Most guys do the opposite other thing 95% of their their time when they're not directly on a job instead of wondering what their kids are doing or what the schools are doing, they're they're digging in their phones or watching porn.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Tom they got to step up let's go into the last uh thing that I want to bring up that you wrote which is the predator you call it the Predator Protection Act.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: It falls right into this again and I want people to see this not the details of it as much as the attack on our families and our marriages people got to understand that that there's a real force behind this.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is in Illinois HB 5295 uh you say finishes with the repeal of parental notification started and why even abortion rights supporters should oppose it can you just sum this up and just give people a little overview of what this is HB 5295?
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah there's uh in uh 2021 the parental notification act was removed from the law for a child to get an abortion here in Illinois and that allowed a child of any age any girl that gets pregnant if she could be in she could be in sixth grade fifth grade whatever and she nine ten years old however however they old they could be to get pregnant they could go in they can go into a planned parenthood clinic and they can get an abortion no questions asked.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_03: So the parents don't have to be notified and this is an is the this is this is the law has been the law in Illinois since 2021.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_03: Virtually nobody spoke up against that law when it was passed.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_03: I mean there was no there I didn't feel hear any outrage or outcry from any church anywhere in the state now since Illinois is a sanctuary state for abortions after the overturning of Roe v.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_03: Wade Illinois passed a law for abortions we become a sanctuary so anybody that wants an abortion from anywhere around the country can come here and get an abortion and go back.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_03: Well this law allows all the records of that to be eliminated.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_03: But the people that come here from out of state also include children.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_03: So a 10 year old from Indiana could come over here to a planned parenthood and get an ab get an abortion and all of the records about that abortion cannot be shared with anybody anywhere for anything for any reason.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_03: Who is it that first of all a child in Illinois a child anywhere under the age of 17 cannot give consent to have sex.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_03: So every one of those children that's showing up in an abortion clinic is the victim of a criminal act.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_03: It could be a felony it could be a be a misdemeanor depending on the age of whoever it was that impregnated them.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_03: But it's a criminal act and so every one of those children should be reported to the police that it should be reported that they have been that they came in there and get an get an abortion they don't do that.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: That's not happening and and so now it's not only Illinois children that are at risk children from all over the country are at risk.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_03: Let's say a predator from Texas brings a little girl that he gets pregnant up here to Illinois, flies up here for one day gets an abortion flies her back nobody knows no there's no record of it.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: This is absolutely outrageous and where is the outcry against this there was none and and you know Tom you know it's just infuriating to me I can't you and I you and I uh last year met with a large group of pastors from all different denominations when we got into conversations and I won't go into detail about this but we we sat around and really started to talk about these issues they talked and I asked them I said who who are these you know predators that can that can take a child across the the state line in Illinois have an abortion when the child is 13 years old 14 years old or whatever or younger um and and why did the parents allow that and they said well because sometimes it's the uncle or some relative and they want to keep it hush.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: They want to keep it quiet in you know especially in these ethnic groups and they name those and I and again I don't even want to name those those those ethnic groups but but they just everything's hush hush.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so again it's not exposed they keep it within the family but think about think about that child that has to go through their life like this that not nobody stood up for them.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know when you're a young child like that and you have no adult standing up for you you just carry this as a burden into the rest of your life Tom don't you well the thing that we have today is that uh less than two percent of the predators ever get caught less or two percent are exposed.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: And the reason for that is because of the secrecy around us let's say uh a lot of times people get the misunderstanding about what a um uh what a child victim of sexual abuse is like m in most cases the predators don't force the child the child is the child winds up engaging in sexual activity they do it they continue it because it feels good maybe they feel comforted maybe it's because the the physical response is is a pleasurable response even for a child it there's a pleasurable response that generated that's generated by the sexual experience and it goes on might go on for a while that they're in engaged in this activity and then it get and then it gets stopped well they don't come forward and complain or say anything about it because in most cases these children feel like they can't tell anybody because they were part of the they were activity that they and the groomers are good at this aren't they Tom I mean you you you actually teach this in parishes and and and and churches how to spot these people and how to protect against it.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: But these groomers And they're not interested in that either but these groomers work these kids you know and they get them to be guilty and they'll threaten the kids and they'll say hey bad things will happen to someone in your family if you let this out and so there's all kinds of ways that that groomers to do this part of it is like you said pleasure so sometimes these kids are lonely and now they think that they're cared for but they bring this brokenness out into their relationships later on and to their marriages later on and nobody is ever there for them Tom to tell them the beauty of our sexuality the beauty of marriage the beauty of families what this is all about.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_03: Well and so they're they're broken what's happened even they they can't even deal with this in in my first inkling into this dynamic about the sexual exploitation was the first person we arrested back in the 70s on the sexual exploitation of children when we had this big investigation was a guy who had been sexually abusing a girl for three years.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_03: She was six years old when he started she was nine years old when we caught him and he he wound up confessing everything we got the case all set up but after everything was done I was sitting there across the desk from this guy and I said well you know I just I just have a I just have a personal question I'd like to ask you says it has nothing to do with the case I'm not going to use anything we'll have no bearing on anything that happens to you I said how did you how did you think that this would be okay and he looked at me and he says I know and he sighed and put his head down and says I was wrong we were both wrong in other words he's blaming the little girl he's saying that they were this this relationship that they had was wrong for both sides that both of them participated in this and so that's what the predator does though they they convince the child very in very many cases that it was their idea and so they're afraid to bring it forward they're afraid to tell their parents or their friends because they think they brought it on themselves.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_03: And there's and consequently most of these victims of child sexual abuse never tell anybody about it in their whole life and and so they carry that with them it may it may be subconscious but it's carried with them all their life and one way or the other and many of them it it it uh interferes with their whole development.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: And we think this is some faraway thing but I have a uh one of my best friends when his daughter was twelve or thirteen years old she was online and she developed a relationship with with this man she never met and he got her to run away from home this is and go to another state and and my friend and his wife couldn't find this child for for for days and then finally they located her and brought her back home and she was in love with this guy and this is a bright girl this was a girl getting good grades a beautiful girl so this happens and uh and we have to be wary of this and again if we don't stand up as men Tom against this and let's let's finish this segment with you know this is happening in our school systems.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know we you and I do a presentation called Stolen Innocence where this is actually part of the public school curriculum and what they do is they actually desensitize these children groom these children right in their in the national sex ed standards.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: So you you want to talk just a little bit about that Tom because you can't make this up it starting in kindergarten already the idea is that sex is pleasurable you go okay well how can a a child just succumb to that when they're eight nine twelve years old that sex is just a pleasure well they've been told this right in our school systems and you and I have been pushing back against this and the hardest thing Tom is trying to wake parents up they they there somehow it's a spiritual darkness that prohibits this but this is is is our curriculum if somebody wants to teach sex ed in the state of Illinois and there are other states they have to use the national sex ed standards you want to address that just a little bit that this in Chicago it's it's a mandatory use the national sex ed standards and in a lot of a lot of districts the districts have voted not to use the national sex ed standards.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_03: However even though the districts can make a decision on that the state has a law that if they teach children anything up in health class about sexuality they have to use those standards.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_03: There's no option whether they voted for or against it.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_03: So the people that come in and teach that are teaching kids these these principles that are really the perverted principles that are that are in the national sex ed standards which teaches children not only about different kinds of sexual activities same and s and opposite sex but how to engage in that activity they teach them about that the only thing that's really important in sexual activity is consent.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_03: So if you you make sure that you have consent before you engage in sexual activity without even mentioning that the children can't give consent it's just it's just insane.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_03: How can they possibly be teaching our children that they have to they have to give consent when there's no legal basis for consent.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: And don't forget again that when people would stand up against this with the Biden administration, they literally were sending FBI in to dog those those parents.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: So so this is how dark it is, and it can get dark very quickly.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: Again, you can say whatever you want about TDS, right?
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: Trump derangement syndrome.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: I really, I don't think people, they just get caught up in the emotion and they don't see the good that that he's been doing on so many fronts trying to fight corruption.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: Look at I I I get it, Iran is a uh a situation now where people don't understand it.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: But if if a country like that gets a nuclear bomb, you know they're funding terrorism and I don't I I don't want to get into the weeds here.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: But this is an attack on human beings again, on human persons again.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_03: Here's what happens in the in the schools though that they're they're teaching these principles to kids even in preschool.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_03: So if you start teaching a child in preschool that this whole crazy spectrum of sexuality is normal, those children are going to go up grow up thinking that it's normal.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_03: And so then when they hear in in junior high school that really now that they've become set more sexual because they've gone through puberty, they really in order to fully understand their sexuality they need to experiment with it.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_03: They need to try out same and opposite sex relationships.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_03: But don't forget make sure you've got consent before you engage in any of these list of activities that we're showing you and and how showing you how to engage in them.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_03: This is instruction this is indoctrination into perversion.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: Our apostolate for young men is called the Claymore Battle Plan it's really uh for young men to understand the spiritual warfare Tom and it starts with with our sexuality it's it starts with what does it mean you know what does marriage mean what does family mean what does sacrifice mean you know what does it mean to to raise children and and nurture them and protect them and educate them.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: And somehow you know what's what's disheartening is so many people you know that are raising children today seem to have given up on on what any of that means.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_01: They're into themselves so much I see parents themselves just on their phones while they're sitting next to their kids.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: Even at dinner tables I've been invited to these parties and I don't want to go I don't want to sit around a table with with a bunch of teenagers on their phone.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: It just aggravates me and the parents just allow it and Tom I got to get up I and I just go home and they go what happened to Jack you know my poor wife's got to say I I I don't know I guess he doesn't like small talk right I don't it's not small talk I don't like there's no talk going on you know it's just nuts Tom so I have to say I'm guilty of it myself because you you've seen my house so it's a tiny little house.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_03: My wife will be in the living room I'll be in my office and we're texting back and forth.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay so it's even you now so I'm even I'm alone now I'm alone all right Tom hey God bless you thanks for your work they can also read it at Illinois Family Institute but I'll put your sub stack in there because they can get everything all at once there they really should take a look at that I'm gonna put Truth Alliance Foundation in there your foundation you spend a lot of money investigating these things doing research and I'm really going to ask people to you know to donate even if it's you know 25 bucks I don't care what it is send something over there and and support because we need to support the Nick Shirleys of the world you know I just did a little a little donation to Nick Shirley because they need protection.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know he he he can't go out anymore without protection and and now his mom is getting these death threats and you just can't make this stuff up Tom that there's a real battle going on and if we're apathetic to this there's an urgency here and if we're if we continue on the road we're in right now this is going to be a very very different world you see it already the decline in the Western civilization in Europe and uh and and we're not far after it it's we're we're really midterm elections to my you know to what my understanding really if if they go after Trump again and and they get a majority in the Senate or the Congress and they start to try to impeach him and and basically make his last couple of years ineffective you know we're we're in we're in big trouble as a country and it's going to be different and it's gonna change and we're gonna go down and and and we're gonna find out what that's what that's like.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: And if we don't stand up and like uh Edmund Burke said evil will reign if good men don't do anything and that's that's true.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_03: Well this this kind of insidious attacks on people like Shirley are not just directed at him.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_03: I mean even though the attack is on him it's really a threat to all of us that it inhibits every person from standing up and take and and doing something because they're afraid that they're going to get those same kind of threats and they might not have the ability to withstand them.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_03: Like I don't care people can come after me all they want or they can try but there's a lot of people that will that are resistant to that they don't want to want to step out and take that risk.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_03: So you really have to support guys like Shirley not to stop just against him but to stop him for everybody's benefit.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah well we saw it he brings up in that clip if we would have played that clip a little further he he brings up the example of uh Charlie Kirk I mean this is the reality you know uh Donald Trump at least three assassination attempts that we know of there have been other taking shots three times there have been shots fired you know it's like geez yeah you see this all the time the the Dr Peter McCullough's that came out against this COVID madness right these guys that stand up against this climate hoax the guys that push back against the LBGTQ agenda taking over our schools and and pushing this stuff down on our kids.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: All of these things Tom this is a way to really attack the human person attack children attack marriages and uh and really twist and distort and and this has been going on for a long time it's just accelerating you know uh those seeds have been planted in our schools as you and I bring up a long long time ago teachers have been indoctrinated in in teachers' colleges and at first you know it starts small but then it's taken the economy of scale now and there's just so many of these teachers and superintendents of school districts that have fallen for this and and don't forget uh it was not long ago that the Biden administration Obama administration were pushing uh abortion and and these LBGTQ issues and all this kind of stuff and it really it's it's a breakdown of marriage a breakdown of family a breakdown of nurturing children properly and we wonder why we have so much mental illness today so much anxiety depression suicidal thoughts we're killing the unborn we're killing the old people disabled people and and kids feel it in their heart and and you know Tom instead of being able to walk into a therapist where a therapist can say to me as a child maybe your heart is okay maybe it's these outside influences and the things that have been done to you and the toxic culture that's that's mentally ill but you're being told that that that's normal and whatever your heart is telling you is not normal.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna put you in on an anxiety medicine uh we're gonna trans you and put you on puberty blockers we're gonna we're gonna uh not go after the predators and we're just gonna allow you to be confused for the rest of your life and if it might am I wrong on any of this stuff?
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_03: No you're not in fact uh you know when you're talking about the the a lot of the conflict and confusion and and uh disagreement is probably one of the reasons why so many people have just said all I'm gonna do is engage in small talk I don't want any more problems and they'll live their whole life as a distraction rather than rather than trying to do something to improve the improve the world.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I think you're gonna look back at your life you know at some point you're gonna say I lack courage I lack conviction I think about Jesus in the book of Revelation you know I'd rather have you be hot or cold but if you're lukewarm if you're sitting on that fence if you're just making small talk and you don't stand for anything you're not really a man and and at the end of the day you'll never be you'll never be satisfied you'll never be fulfilled you'll never know what it means to be a man and and to stand up for again for what's all that's true, good and beautiful especially the beauty of authentic love.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: And you know who are you Tom?
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: What kind of life is that to to to live?
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_01: No wonder we're addicted to porn and drinking and gambling and whatever else out there.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: We have to distract ourselves.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: We have to number our hearts because our hearts are made for more as men and we don't even do those simple things you know um take some small stance you know courage is the first virtue.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_03: You can't even love without courage.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_03: You can't do anything you have no you can have no virtue whatsoever without courage first.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_03: And so anybody that has that lacks courage is uh deluding themselves if they think they possess any virtue at all.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: If just you know I again a handful it doesn't take everybody we know that even our our country was founded not by the majority it was founded by by a really a minority of men that had a conviction had confidence were willing to give up their lives our founding fathers gave up sometimes their lives their families their fortunes people don't realize what they suffer to to to break away from a a tyranny and tyranny is is really just when there's no higher authority of really truth you know it's some transcendent truth and we all become enslaved by this and and this is what's happening right now.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_03: Well if the if the uh British had uh got their hands on any one of those uh signers of the declaration of independence they would have been hanged just for signing that document every one of them and so that took courage just to put their name on that document.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_01: And they were hounded right those guys were hounded and they were hunted people need to people need to to study their history and and you have to do it outside the school because you're never going to find this in your school systems anymore are you yeah that's right.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: Hey Thomas thank you so much thanks everybody thanks for joining us we'll talk to you again soon bye bye