Latest / Willow Healing Matters Podcast / Dreams Heal More Than You Think | Nervous System Restoration with Lynda Samphire

Transcript

Dreams Heal More Than You Think | Nervous System Restoration with Lynda Samphire · Willow Healing Matters Podcast

0:01
Welcome to Willow Healing Matters the podcast we are so excited
0:05
to have you joining
0:06
us on this journey where we explore different ways to empower
0:09
your soul whether
0:11
it's healing in your kitchen or all the way up in the corporate
0:14
world come with us
0:15
SPEAKER_00: as we look into different ways to heal your mind body and soul
0:21
SPEAKER_00: My Virtual Obsession,
0:22
SPEAKER_00: My Romantic Thriller,
0:24
SPEAKER_00: is now available on Amazon and other online retailers.
0:27
SPEAKER_00: This book explores the intersection of loneliness,
0:30
SPEAKER_00: love,
0:31
and how chasing perfection through technology can lead to
0:34
fantasy and reality
0:36
SPEAKER_01: colliding.
0:36
SPEAKER_01: My Virtual Obsession out now.
0:38
SPEAKER_00: Hey everybody,
0:39
it's Catherine Crestani with another episode of Willow Healing
0:42
Matters and today
0:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm joined by the beautiful Linda Samphire.
0:45
SPEAKER_00: She's an intuitive guide and educator whose work centers on nervous
0:49
SPEAKER_00: System Restoration, Sleep and Dream Intelligence.
0:52
SPEAKER_00: She weaves together neuroscience,
0:54
dream work and gentle microdosing practices to support
0:57
emotional regulation.
0:58
SPEAKER_00: Her approach emphasizes restoration,
1:01
SPEAKER_00: embodiment and integration,
1:02
SPEAKER_00: allowing insight and creative information
1:04
SPEAKER_00: intelligence to emerge naturally rather than through force.
1:07
SPEAKER_00: So a big welcome to the show, Linda.
1:09
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
1:10
SPEAKER_01: Excited to be here and have this conversation.
1:13
SPEAKER_00: Well,
1:13
SPEAKER_00: there's so much in there I just want to unpack,
1:16
SPEAKER_00: especially about dreams,
1:17
but I always love to ask people how they kind of came to doing
1:21
the work that
1:21
SPEAKER_00: they're doing.
1:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it?
1:24
SPEAKER_01: How we align with what resonates.
1:26
My mom passed when I was two and she would actually come to me
1:30
in my dreams.
1:31
SPEAKER_01: And that so since a little girl,
1:33
I've been just I just realized that working with dreams and
1:38
paying attention to my
1:38
dreams is a way to connect with something larger than what
1:42
we're seeing every day.
1:44
SPEAKER_01: And then that just grew and expanded.
1:46
And I started realizing how much intelligence comes through
1:49
while we're sleeping.
1:50
I love that and I feel that too sometimes you have those dreams
1:55
and you have to put
1:55
together all the symbolism and you think what was that right
1:58
and then other times
2:00
SPEAKER_00: you can have those dreams and you fully understand what's being shown and
2:04
I know for me I feel like I've got three categories of dreams
2:08
like I have the ones
2:08
that are all the symbolism that I have to really think about I
2:12
have the ones that
2:12
are so clear and I get the perfect understanding and then I
2:15
have the ones that are
2:16
beyond a dream it's more that soul connection or something
2:20
going on with the soul
2:21
that are you can't even explain it it's just almost a soul
2:24
memory or I guess we
2:26
could go to a whole completely woo section and go parallel
2:29
lives or things like
2:30
SPEAKER_00: that
2:30
SPEAKER_00: But it's really interesting how much can happen in our subconscious.
2:34
SPEAKER_01: Most definitely.
2:35
SPEAKER_01: I always look at dreams as just language of the soul.
2:38
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I can come as some really crazy, crazy stuff.
2:41
SPEAKER_01: It's like, what was that?
2:43
SPEAKER_01: Why was I flying on a fish through the sky?
2:46
SPEAKER_01: Right.
2:46
SPEAKER_01: However, the symbols are so important and it is our language of the soul.
2:51
SPEAKER_01: I feel it's very personal and individual to each person.
2:54
And so as we begin to work with our dreams more,
2:56
then we can decipher things.
2:58
SPEAKER_01: Kind of what's happening?
2:59
SPEAKER_01: What do I need to look at?
3:00
SPEAKER_01: But in every single aspect of a dream is ourselves.
3:04
SPEAKER_01: I don't care what the dream is.
3:05
There will be an aspect of ourself in there and it's being
3:08
shown for our own
3:10
SPEAKER_01: evolution,
3:10
SPEAKER_01: evolving,
3:11
transforming through giving us kind of a strange little roadmap
3:16
for waking.
3:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:17
yeah which is so beautiful I have so many questions popping in
3:20
my head okay thank
3:22
you they're like say this one first I was like all right um so
3:25
the first question
3:26
is what are common misconceptions that people have about
3:29
interpreting dreams well
3:31
SPEAKER_01: gosh that's a big
3:32
I look at them as a gift and it really is that shadow self of
3:41
us speaking but we
3:43
can get that mixed up with something bad's gonna happen
3:45
something's coming to get
3:46
SPEAKER_01: us something
3:47
SPEAKER_01: I used to have the symbol of Michael Myers.
4:02
Myers from the horror movie Halloween used to show up a lot as
4:06
my nightmare.
4:07
SPEAKER_01: There was at one point, and this went on for a while, so fear, right?
4:11
SPEAKER_01: We're looking at fear, ready to move.
4:12
I actually pulled the mask off and behind it was my face and
4:16
its fullest power.
4:18
And I went,
4:19
I'm afraid of my own power,
4:21
which a lot of us are coming into it,
4:23
stepping into it.
4:24
And even just saying it right now,
4:26
I can kind of feel the chills running through me.
4:28
SPEAKER_01: and the vibration.
4:29
SPEAKER_01: So if we look deeper in what that fear is, we're going to see ourselves.
4:35
SPEAKER_01: And we can also just say, you know what, I hear you speaking.
4:39
SPEAKER_01: Gentle, please.
4:40
And that can kind of settle the nightmares down,
4:42
especially those reoccurring ones.
4:44
SPEAKER_01: How interesting.
4:45
SPEAKER_00: Because I'm a mom, I'm going to ask this question.
4:48
SPEAKER_00: So when our children are having nightmares,
4:50
SPEAKER_00: what's the most helpful way to kind of courage them through it?
4:55
Yeah,
4:56
I like that question because they're so scary,
4:58
especially when we're children.
4:59
I think just being able to hold space for them to unwrap it
5:03
instead of just saying,
5:04
SPEAKER_01: oh,
5:04
SPEAKER_01: it's just a nightmare.
5:05
SPEAKER_01: It's not real.
5:07
And to shift the perspective as a softening that there's
5:11
something coming through.
5:14
SPEAKER_01: And it's fear-based, but then not to be afraid of fear.
5:18
SPEAKER_01: As a child,
5:18
SPEAKER_01: we're not saying,
5:19
SPEAKER_01: well,
5:19
SPEAKER_01: you're afraid of your own power,
5:20
SPEAKER_01: because I don't think that's going to really resonate,
5:22
but that you are protected and that you are loved and nothing
5:26
horrible can ever get
5:27
SPEAKER_01: you.
5:29
I like art for kids to kind of draw everything out that's a
5:32
that's a beautiful way
5:34
of framing that I know for me if I can get my son to talk about
5:37
it and just share
5:38
it and sometimes he doesn't want to and I said well sometimes
5:41
talking about what
5:42
SPEAKER_00: happened can help you understand it so yeah um
5:46
because one he had recently was both my husband and I dying so
5:50
he was really really
5:51
sad like he was just crying and I said you know we will die one
5:55
day I can't tell
5:56
you when but you know and then I just made a joke of it because
5:59
I said I understand
6:00
why that's scary I said but you know I'll come back and haunt
6:03
you right she's like
6:04
SPEAKER_00: and he's like
6:05
yeah and he's like really I said yeah I said if you're really
6:08
missing me I'll just
6:09
slam the door a few times and he's like fine but it was enough
6:13
to shift him out of
6:14
that full-on getting stuck in the emotion of it and realizing
6:18
like okay this this
6:19
is a possibility but it doesn't have to happen right now have
6:23
I'm seeing it
6:23
SPEAKER_00: happening as well
6:24
And that's,
6:25
you know,
6:25
that's beautiful to bring up death in dreams,
6:28
right?
6:28
SPEAKER_01: Someone dying or us dying and difficult to kind of explain to a child,
6:34
but I'm sure there's a way to present it when really it's just
6:37
us and it's an
6:38
SPEAKER_01: aspect of us that's ready to kind of move out,
6:41
SPEAKER_01: right?
6:41
SPEAKER_01: So let's say I have a dream of a friend of mine that dies.
6:46
SPEAKER_01: I want to look at that aspect of the friend.
6:49
SPEAKER_01: and then see the aspect in me.
6:51
SPEAKER_01: And is that what's ready to move out?
6:53
SPEAKER_01: You know, death to part of the self integrating.
6:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
6:57
SPEAKER_00: I used to dream about my ex-husband dying,
6:59
but I realized it was because that would be easier than having
7:02
the courage to leave
7:03
SPEAKER_00: the marriage.
7:04
SPEAKER_00: I knew that that was my head trying to say,
7:07
we need to go and yes this would be the easy way instead and
7:11
then I used to have
7:12
the other part of that was I was running like I was full on and
7:15
I hate running
7:16
Linda and I was full on bolting along this grass hill near our
7:20
house and I was like
7:22
okay I need I'm running away from this relationship rather than
7:26
actually facing it
7:27
and having the courage to say perfect to leave right yeah and
7:30
you said it right
7:31
SPEAKER_01: there rather than facing it and so when these really scary dreams death
7:36
running away from what is it we're being asked to face in our
7:38
waking life and it's
7:39
going to be much more simpler than that the dream it's actually
7:43
going to play out a
7:44
lot more smoother and stream through rather than the movie that
7:49
we're seeing while
7:49
we're sleeping I feel to just to segue here into lucid dreaming
7:54
so um do you I'm
7:56
SPEAKER_00: just gonna say do you know much about that I feel you would if you don't
8:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's, you know, there's so many different types of dreams.
8:04
SPEAKER_01: So there's lucid,
8:05
SPEAKER_01: there's out of body,
8:07
SPEAKER_01: there's,
8:07
SPEAKER_01: you know,
8:07
SPEAKER_01: an astral travel,
8:08
SPEAKER_01: and then there's contact.
8:10
SPEAKER_01: And lucid dreaming, you know you're dreaming.
8:12
SPEAKER_01: So you're waking up and you know you're dreaming.
8:14
SPEAKER_01: Different than out of body where you're actually,
8:16
SPEAKER_01: someone might say,
8:18
SPEAKER_01: I went to,
8:19
SPEAKER_01: like,
8:19
SPEAKER_01: I really swear I was in Italy.
8:21
I've never been there before,
8:22
but it looks exactly like what I saw in my dream.
8:24
SPEAKER_01: So then there's the travel.
8:25
SPEAKER_01: And then the contact dream is when we experience something
8:29
SPEAKER_01: where we know we're still in our bed,
8:31
SPEAKER_01: but we're actually contacted by another being,
8:35
SPEAKER_01: something in that.
8:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
8:37
SPEAKER_01: So lucid dreaming, you definitely tell the difference.
8:40
SPEAKER_01: You know you're dreaming.
8:41
SPEAKER_01: So you're waking up and you go, you're dreaming.
8:44
SPEAKER_01: One of the beautiful things to do about lucid dreaming is to say,
8:47
SPEAKER_01: well,
8:47
SPEAKER_01: am I dreaming or am I awake?
8:48
SPEAKER_01: There's going to
8:49
SPEAKER_01: Maybe something in there that's not normal.
8:52
SPEAKER_01: Like maybe your hands are super long or super big.
8:55
SPEAKER_01: So then you're going to go, okay, I'm lucid dreaming.
8:58
SPEAKER_01: Or maybe a horse goes flying through the air with a pig's tail.
9:03
SPEAKER_01: Then we know that, okay, I'm lucid dreaming.
9:07
SPEAKER_00: Or am I in another planet, nurse?
9:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
9:10
And you can do these,
9:11
you know,
9:12
I have little signposts that know what's happening.
9:14
SPEAKER_01: And then the trick is a lot of times we get,
9:18
SPEAKER_01: we jump and get fearful and it puts us right back awake into the body.
9:24
SPEAKER_01: And so it's about learning to receive.
9:27
SPEAKER_01: I always figure all dreaming is learning how to receive in life.
9:32
SPEAKER_01: Then we can just learn to kind of play in there, work in there.
9:36
SPEAKER_01: It's a practice.
9:37
SPEAKER_01: I do more travel and contact than I do lucid dreaming.
9:44
SPEAKER_00: Intriguing.
9:45
SPEAKER_00: I've only had a few lucid dreams and I remember one.
9:48
SPEAKER_00: Okay, thank you.
9:49
I remember I had this one dream and for some reason I was
9:52
building a cake with a
9:54
SPEAKER_00: group of people,
9:54
SPEAKER_00: right?
9:54
SPEAKER_00: Like building, constructing this massive, massive cake.
9:57
SPEAKER_00: And then I looked at it and I went, I can do that better.
10:01
And I went off on my own with the same pieces if you will and I
10:05
built a much better
10:06
bigger cake and I and I went what's this dream about like it
10:09
was this weird kind of
10:10
lucid moment and I turned around and my spirit team was there
10:13
and I said to them
10:15
are you trying to show me that it's okay for me to choose a
10:17
different path because
10:18
SPEAKER_00: I can do it differently and it's still okay
10:21
SPEAKER_00: And they said, yes, well done.
10:22
SPEAKER_01: And then I woke up and I was like, thank you for that lesson.
10:25
SPEAKER_00: But it's not always that clear.
10:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
10:27
And that is so beautiful because you could just see that
10:30
playing out where here you are.
10:31
SPEAKER_01: It's all messy when you're working with other people.
10:33
But there's this part of you that's such a leader and so
10:36
independent that you can
10:37
SPEAKER_01: create something beautiful without needing to follow.
10:40
SPEAKER_01: So definitely beautiful.
10:41
yeah but I have had all the different types of dreams that
10:44
you're talking about but
10:46
I think the biggest thing that frustrates me is that this ego
10:50
in us when we wake up
10:51
from those dreams it goes I'll remember and then you know
10:54
within 20 minutes we've
10:56
kind of forgotten unless it's really profound so do you have
11:00
any tips for people
11:01
SPEAKER_00: interpreting how to interpret their dreams yeah
11:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
11:04
SPEAKER_01: as soon as the left brain comes on,
11:06
it's almost like you try to chase the dream and it's getting
11:09
farther and farther
11:10
SPEAKER_01: and farther away.
11:10
SPEAKER_01: It's really about lingering.
11:12
There's a space we come into on the backside of sleep and it's
11:16
a liminal space.
11:17
And if we can linger in that and let it play out and it might
11:21
disappear and that's okay.
11:24
SPEAKER_01: Also rolling over in the same position you woke up in.
11:27
So a lot of times we roll over when we first wake up,
11:29
roll back over in that.
11:31
Keeping your eyes closed Stay away from looking at the clock or
11:34
anything And it can
11:35
just be a minute Lingering Be the morning lingerer for a little
11:39
bit A lot of times
11:40
you might fall back into the dream Or that's a good platform
11:44
for lucid dreaming And
11:45
out of body to go into it So left brain comes on We start
11:49
forgetting This goes for
11:50
the middle of the night too We really can say Oh that's
11:52
important I'll remember
11:53
SPEAKER_01: that And then
11:55
SPEAKER_01: We don't.
11:56
SPEAKER_01: So writing it down as quickly as possible and really just the symbols,
12:00
SPEAKER_01: you know,
12:00
SPEAKER_01: like a black dog,
12:02
SPEAKER_01: white cat,
12:02
SPEAKER_01: whatever,
12:03
just so it can kind of trigger it later when we do have time to
12:06
sit with it.
12:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I feel that's important.
12:11
And then someone once told me the feelings are important as
12:14
much as the symbols.
12:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was just going to say that.
12:17
I have,
12:18
I'm in the middle of one of my,
12:19
the living dream course right now.
12:22
SPEAKER_01: And there are a couple people that are saying,
12:24
SPEAKER_01: I know I'm dreaming,
12:25
SPEAKER_01: but I can't remember it,
12:26
SPEAKER_01: but I know I'm dreaming.
12:28
SPEAKER_01: And one thing to do is, yes, how does you feel the minute you woke up?
12:32
And write down the feeling,
12:33
because maybe you're being asked to see that first.
12:35
SPEAKER_01: And then secondly, I know I dream.
12:38
SPEAKER_01: I know I had a dream.
12:39
SPEAKER_01: If I could remember it, it was.
12:41
SPEAKER_00: And then write a prompt.
12:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
12:44
SPEAKER_00: What do you say to people who say they can't dream or they don't dream?
12:48
SPEAKER_01: That they do.
12:49
SPEAKER_01: Everybody dreams.
12:50
SPEAKER_01: I do them too.
12:50
That's what I say too Everybody dreams Everybody dreams Yeah
12:54
It's not that you're
12:54
not It's about remembering And it's learning to listen to
12:58
yourself That's the whole
13:00
key And we're receiving messages from something larger than we
13:05
are in these human
13:07
SPEAKER_01: bodies And it's a practice It's a muscle Right?
13:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah Yeah Yeah
13:13
And I feel it's really important that you bring up that aspect
13:16
because it is a
13:17
muscle and the more we tune in sometimes but I will go to
13:22
spirit before I go to
13:22
sleep I really need a deep sleep tonight please just let me
13:27
sleep and I do I get
13:29
that because sometimes a lot happens in my subconscious whilst
13:33
I'm sleeping and you
13:34
wake up feeling tired because you have gone through I don't
13:37
know a massive upgrade
13:39
SPEAKER_00: or a massive healing journey
13:41
SPEAKER_00: when you're meant to be sleeping.
13:43
I feel to point that out too because you can ask for a break if
13:47
it has been a lot
13:48
SPEAKER_00: because sometimes it does fry our nervous system as well.
13:51
SPEAKER_01: Most definitely.
13:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I asked for that.
13:54
SPEAKER_01: I've just gone through a lot.
13:56
SPEAKER_01: I'm in the middle of a move.
13:58
My stepfather just passed and I'm just exhausted and I'm like,
14:02
I just need to sleep tonight.
14:04
SPEAKER_01: I need deep sleep also to be held, just to be held.
14:09
SPEAKER_01: And every time I do that,
14:11
SPEAKER_01: I have beautiful sleep,
14:13
SPEAKER_01: my dreams,
14:14
SPEAKER_01: I'm dreaming but I'm not remembering them and that's fine.
14:17
SPEAKER_01: And I feel really refreshed in the morning.
14:20
SPEAKER_01: But we can also ask to be healed as we sleep.
14:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:23
SPEAKER_01: I do that often.
14:24
SPEAKER_01: I do too.
14:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:27
SPEAKER_00: People are like, what?
14:28
SPEAKER_00: It's like,
14:28
SPEAKER_00: yeah,
14:29
SPEAKER_00: if you actually surrender your healing to the universe,
14:32
SPEAKER_00: they'll take you through healing.
14:33
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I'll start and go into a little bit of a ritual,
14:35
SPEAKER_00: like I'll go connecting with my spirit team or something like that.
14:39
SPEAKER_00: And then I just drift off.
14:41
SPEAKER_00: But I know that they've got it,
14:42
SPEAKER_00: you know,
14:42
SPEAKER_00: especially I find if I fall into a deep sleep whilst that's happening,
14:46
SPEAKER_00: that I'm going to a very deep level of healing.
14:49
SPEAKER_00: or even if I'm working with a practitioner.
14:53
I've had like online guided sessions where they were doing
14:56
healing and I've just
14:57
SPEAKER_00: drifted off and woken up like an hour later going,
15:00
SPEAKER_00: where am I?
15:01
SPEAKER_00: Then messaged the practitioner, I'm so sorry, I fell asleep.
15:04
SPEAKER_00: She's like, don't be sorry.
15:05
SPEAKER_00: It just means you went into that deeper level of healing.
15:08
But a lot of healing can happen when we choose to surrender and
15:11
put ourselves in that
15:12
SPEAKER_00: in a deeper state.
15:13
But I feel it's so important to remember that it's okay to ask
15:16
for it too.
15:17
SPEAKER_01: Always.
15:18
And that's really the most important part of it all is the
15:22
intention and what we put forward.
15:24
SPEAKER_01: And I love how you said you call in your spirit team.
15:27
SPEAKER_01: Many times, I had an experience once, it was a contact meeting
15:32
experience where I was in the presence of just angels,
15:36
big,
15:36
enormous angels all around me.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: And I was completely awake and looking at them as I see you.
15:42
SPEAKER_01: I call them every time.
15:44
SPEAKER_01: I just say, okay, I just need to be held by the angels.
15:47
SPEAKER_01: And I usually,
15:48
SPEAKER_01: I just,
15:49
SPEAKER_01: it's this part where you can just kind of fill your body,
15:51
SPEAKER_01: just let go and be held.
15:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:54
SPEAKER_01: Receive, receive, receive, receive.
15:56
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
15:56
SPEAKER_00: A hundred percent.
15:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:59
and my next question about is if your nervous system they asked
16:03
me to bridge if
16:04
your nervous system is really dysregulated does it make it
16:08
harder to dream or to
16:09
SPEAKER_00: understand your dreams
16:10
SPEAKER_01: Well,
16:11
SPEAKER_01: I think if our nervous system is dysregulated,
16:12
SPEAKER_01: we're not really hitting a lot of REM sleep.
16:15
SPEAKER_01: We're not hitting that deep sleep and it's intermittent sleep.
16:18
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, because I don't think that's our focus either.
16:21
I think if our nervous system is in hyperstate,
16:25
we are constantly in that fight or flight.
16:28
And so we may not even be paying attention to what's coming
16:31
through,
16:31
right?
16:32
SPEAKER_01: We may not have that capability at that point.
16:34
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's not our focus.
16:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, most definitely.
16:37
SPEAKER_01: I look at the,
16:38
SPEAKER_01: it's funny,
16:38
SPEAKER_01: I look at the central nervous system as being really,
16:41
really important as the kind of the airport control tower of
16:45
our system and almost
16:47
SPEAKER_01: an antenna to spirit.
16:49
SPEAKER_01: And when that is off, that antenna seems a little doused.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: And so we're not receiving.
16:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
16:54
SPEAKER_00: Well,
16:54
SPEAKER_00: because I guess from a spiritual point of view,
16:58
SPEAKER_00: our central nervous system is connected to our crown chakra,
17:01
SPEAKER_00: which is our antenna,
17:02
SPEAKER_00: right,
17:02
SPEAKER_00: to God.
17:03
Divine Universe or that is whatever resonates for if you're
17:06
listening just put the
17:07
word in there for you you know and I guess this is where
17:11
sometimes we have to pay
17:12
attention to our body and what it's trying to say to us and
17:15
often I know for me if
17:16
SPEAKER_00: I'm in a state of heightened
17:18
Nervous System or when I was really stressed and burnt out in
17:22
my previous life,
17:23
no this life but you know the previous walks that it was my
17:27
dreams were really
17:28
frantic and they were very they almost were like a mirror of
17:32
what was happening in
17:33
my walking life because it was that that energy just didn't
17:37
have a chance to kind
17:38
of let go it just kept pushing through and kept pushing harder
17:41
and harder and
17:42
SPEAKER_00: harder.
17:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's uncomfortable.
17:44
SPEAKER_01: So if something's uncomfortable, what do we tend to do?
17:47
SPEAKER_01: Run from it and not pay attention.
17:49
SPEAKER_01: That was me and Michael Myers.
17:51
SPEAKER_01: And I do,
17:52
SPEAKER_01: in that sense,
17:53
I look at sleep hygiene and sleep as being our number one
17:58
medicine and really
17:59
SPEAKER_01: focusing on the sleep hygiene first and then moving into the dreams.
18:03
SPEAKER_01: It would kind of be a natural unfolding coming forward.
18:07
And I do work with some plant medicine in that aspect with
18:10
dreams and sleep medicine.
18:12
SPEAKER_01: So there's sleep hygiene.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:14
Can you explain a little bit more about what sleep hygiene
18:17
actually means for
18:17
SPEAKER_00: people going,
18:18
SPEAKER_00: what?
18:20
SPEAKER_00: Sleep Hygiene.
18:21
SPEAKER_01: I'll just kind of go through.
18:23
SPEAKER_01: I'm a super light sleeper.
18:24
SPEAKER_01: So it's really important that I set my evening up for success.
18:29
SPEAKER_01: And I always take a shower.
18:30
SPEAKER_01: I take on so many energies.
18:32
SPEAKER_01: I take a shower at night, every single night.
18:34
SPEAKER_01: If I don't, my nervous system, my body is just like this.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: And so it's just rinsing off the day.
18:39
A lot of people will just say like a type of prayer,
18:42
type of create a ritual.
18:44
SPEAKER_01: and a mantra and learning how to just relax the body and be safe.
18:49
A lot of times our nervous systems are so heightened because it
18:52
doesn't feel safe
18:53
SPEAKER_01: to just let go.
18:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's beautiful.
18:58
SPEAKER_00: I shower at night too.
18:59
I changed for a little bit and used to do mornings because just
19:02
me changing for other people.
19:04
SPEAKER_00: But then I went back to nighttime showers.
19:07
SPEAKER_00: And then when I started dating my husband now,
19:09
SPEAKER_00: he's like,
19:10
SPEAKER_00: why wouldn't you want to wash off the day?
19:12
Like exactly like you said,
19:14
why wouldn't you want to wash off the energies?
19:16
And because water can be so restorative and clearing that we
19:19
don't even realize the
19:20
SPEAKER_00: deeper level it's working just by standing in that shower.
19:23
It's amazing how you can feel like,
19:26
ugh,
19:27
this day or the heaviness or the tiredness.
19:29
SPEAKER_01: You take a shower and it shifts everything.
19:31
SPEAKER_01: A lot of times I'll walk and then shower.
19:34
SPEAKER_01: Go out for a walk and then shower.
19:35
SPEAKER_01: It just changes everything.
19:36
Are we getting sunlight first thing in the morning to hit that
19:40
and kind of bring
19:42
SPEAKER_01: that circadian rhythm in?
19:44
SPEAKER_01: That's powerful.
19:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:47
SPEAKER_00: 100%.
19:48
SPEAKER_01: And actually...
19:49
SPEAKER_00: Doing the sun gazing, which I know people are like, what?
19:52
But if you look at the sun with your eyes closed very early in
19:55
the morning,
19:56
SPEAKER_00: it's so beneficial on so many levels.
19:59
SPEAKER_01: Yes, beautiful.
20:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm just standing barefoot on the earth.
20:04
SPEAKER_01: Yes, 100%.
20:06
SPEAKER_00: And then I feel to ask too,
20:07
SPEAKER_00: Linda,
20:08
how does microdosing come into play when you're working with
20:12
your clients?
20:12
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
20:12
Yeah,
20:13
so I work with mainly two different medicines,
20:17
mushrooms,
20:18
amanita and psilocybin.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: So amanita muscaria is a beautiful mushroom.
20:23
It's the red and white iconic mushroom and works with our
20:27
central nervous system.
20:28
SPEAKER_01: Directly.
20:29
SPEAKER_01: So is agonist to GABA.
20:32
SPEAKER_01: And so what happens is,
20:33
SPEAKER_01: you know,
20:34
SPEAKER_01: if our nervous system is revved up,
20:37
SPEAKER_01: where our glutamate pedal is down,
20:39
SPEAKER_01: the on switch to the brain,
20:41
SPEAKER_01: GABA is our off switch.
20:42
SPEAKER_01: But if it's over-exhausted, it's not
20:44
Amenita is agonist to GABA,
20:48
so brain grabs onto it,
20:50
soothing our nervous system.
20:52
And I normally start people out on that one 30 days straight
20:54
just to get their
20:56
SPEAKER_01: nervous system moving in and then moving into psilocybin.
20:59
SPEAKER_01: where we're working more with serotonin receptors.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: And we're looking at working with emotions,
21:06
SPEAKER_01: moving things that are ready to,
21:08
SPEAKER_01: that aren't serving us and heightened creativity,
21:12
SPEAKER_01: which both of the mushrooms do because if our nervous system is settled,
21:15
then we're automatically more aligned with our creativity and
21:18
what we're here to
21:19
SPEAKER_01: do.
21:19
SPEAKER_01: So psilocybin works more with our brain and the narrow pathways.
21:23
SPEAKER_01: Amanita works more with that central nervous system.
21:27
SPEAKER_01: So promoting sleep.
21:29
Amplifying Dreams Restoring the Body I look at her as the
21:33
Restoration and then
21:35
which is so needed right now in our world of chaos and then
21:38
psilocybin the body's
21:40
restored enough for psilocybin to come in and do its work so I
21:42
look at Amanita as
21:44
SPEAKER_01: aerating and the soil and psilocybin is tilling
21:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, beautiful.
21:50
SPEAKER_00: And I love that you explained that so beautifully too,
21:53
SPEAKER_00: because if your nervous system's gone,
21:56
it's really hard to do emotional work because you're just in
21:58
fight or flight
21:59
SPEAKER_00: already,
21:59
SPEAKER_00: right?
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Or freeze.
22:01
SPEAKER_00: Nothing's going to shift because you're already in a heightened state.
22:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you can see it a lot when people do all their work, right?
22:07
They're doing yoga,
22:09
they're walking,
22:10
they're meditating,
22:11
they're going to retreats.
22:12
SPEAKER_01: But it's not lasting.
22:14
And I think it's that nervous system still gripping and the
22:16
nervous system has to
22:17
SPEAKER_01: feel safe enough to just be able to let go.
22:20
SPEAKER_01: Amanita is beautiful for that.
22:22
And I think I said that wrong because it's actually Amanita
22:25
tilling the soil and then soil sun
22:28
SPEAKER_01: Because if we get super uncomfortable,
22:31
SPEAKER_01: you know,
22:31
SPEAKER_01: microdosing can create uncomfortability because we're moving resistance.
22:36
SPEAKER_01: And with the nervous system soothed down,
22:38
then it allows for the being safe in the body and the
22:41
remembering to start
22:42
SPEAKER_01: happening.
22:43
I just got this image of,
22:45
you know,
22:45
we've got two types of yoga,
22:47
yin yoga and yang yoga.
22:49
SPEAKER_00: So for anyone not sure what the difference is, yin yoga is very slow.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: It's like very much opening up all your emotional pathways.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: We've got yang yoga, which is like run, run, run, run, run.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: So when I first did yin yoga,
23:01
I had all these emotions come out and even now sometimes I'll
23:04
do like a hip opening
23:05
and it just releases all these emotions into my system I know
23:10
just by laying there
23:11
with a block under you right and it's just yeah I know it's I
23:15
swear by yin yoga
23:16
I put that alongside my microdosing practices and I suggest it
23:19
to people and yeah,
23:22
it's so powerful but you can feel at times that you just want
23:27
to jump out of your
23:28
SPEAKER_01: body because you can feel the resistance starting to move.
23:32
SPEAKER_01: Microdosing kind of amplifies that a little bit.
23:35
Yeah and then kind of just yeah and I feel like it was just a
23:38
nice parallel because
23:39
it is the same kind of thing it's like you have to have a
23:42
pathway to open up
23:43
yourself because sometimes we close ourselves and shut
23:46
ourselves down so much and
23:47
when we especially when we're in that reactive state that it's
23:51
really hard to do
23:52
the work you need to do and you need to find a kind of a
23:55
doorway to open it so that
23:56
SPEAKER_00: you in a gentle way not just throw it open because that is just going to
24:01
Send You Into Superflight It's Like Whoa This Is Too Much Like
24:05
I Can't Handle This
24:06
Right Now And Much Like You Know Your Dreams Can Build Up In
24:09
Intensity If You Keep
24:11
Ignoring The Meaning And The Symbols Underneath It I Feel It's
24:14
The Same Like As A
24:15
SPEAKER_00: Reflection Of Like We Gotta Build Up Our Tolerance To
24:18
being able to do the healing and do the work because all at
24:21
once is going to throw
24:24
SPEAKER_01: you sideways,
24:25
SPEAKER_01: right?
24:25
SPEAKER_01: We don't want it.
24:26
SPEAKER_01: And I think that's part of our evolving.
24:29
SPEAKER_01: Aren't we supposed to receive and
24:32
SPEAKER_01: That's just part of it.
24:33
SPEAKER_01: You receive what you're ready for.
24:34
SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
24:36
I have a friend and he went through like two years worth of
24:40
veils in one night and
24:42
SPEAKER_00: he wasn't okay.
24:43
Like he had like three or four healers working on him and he
24:46
goes,
24:46
I don't recommend it.
24:48
SPEAKER_00: I guess this is what we're trying to contrast, right?
24:50
Like it's better off doing it gradually and building it up and
24:54
allowing your system
24:55
SPEAKER_00: to regulate again rather than just throwing the switch and going...
25:01
And I think like that's why microdosing I think is beautiful
25:05
instead of these high
25:06
SPEAKER_01: peak performances.
25:07
I've had that happen to where so much has been received so
25:11
quickly that the
25:12
SPEAKER_01: uncomfortability of it,
25:13
SPEAKER_01: it can fill because you're messing with your identity,
25:16
SPEAKER_01: right?
25:16
You're shifting your identity and to take that away so quickly,
25:19
it almost feels like psychosis.
25:22
And so with microdosing,
25:24
you're almost preparing the vessel for that to unfold.
25:29
SPEAKER_01: And so less is more is what I always say.
25:32
SPEAKER_01: And even in the dream world,
25:33
SPEAKER_01: we just did in my living dream,
25:35
SPEAKER_01: we do PLRs and we did some soul timeline work.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: And even just doing that was so powerful.
25:43
SPEAKER_01: It took a moment for people to ground out of that.
25:46
And so I can imagine what you're saying with your friend,
25:49
just all that coming on.
25:51
I'm glad he had healers around him to help because that but
25:54
most people don't know.
25:57
SPEAKER_00: And I guess this is where it's good to have a support team in place,
26:01
SPEAKER_00: however that looks,
26:02
SPEAKER_00: you know,
26:02
SPEAKER_00: and,
26:03
SPEAKER_00: you know,
26:03
creating that beautiful space that you know you can go to when
26:07
you're going through
26:08
SPEAKER_00: something because sometimes you are ready for it,
26:10
SPEAKER_00: but you just need a hand to hold you as you go through the thick of it.
26:15
SPEAKER_01: The container, yeah.
26:16
SPEAKER_01: A place to just feel like you can be safe.
26:19
SPEAKER_01: That's what it was for me.
26:20
I needed to know I was safe and all this weirdness that was
26:23
happening was normal
26:25
SPEAKER_01: and okay,
26:26
SPEAKER_01: whatever normal is,
26:27
SPEAKER_01: and that I was safe moving through it.
26:29
That was key because if you're not,
26:32
you're going to clench up and go into resistance.
26:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:35
SPEAKER_01: And then nothing shifts.
26:38
SPEAKER_01: Then you're just kind of like feeling really comfortable.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:43
So the container and having space hold by someone who is
26:46
experienced and has been
26:48
SPEAKER_01: through it themselves.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: I feel that's really important.
26:53
someone that's been through it because you know there's a lot
26:56
of I've talked about
26:57
this before it's like you can't be a life coach if you just
27:00
because you did a
27:01
degree it doesn't mean that you can especially if you're 20 and
27:05
you've had no
27:05
trauma traumatic life experiences and I'm not saying everyone
27:08
has to go through
27:09
trauma but I know at 20 I didn't go through much it was apart
27:13
from rebelling
27:14
SPEAKER_00: against my parents maybe but apart from that like
27:18
SPEAKER_00: You know,
27:18
SPEAKER_00: you have to live life and you have your story,
27:21
SPEAKER_00: but just because you do a certificate doesn't mean that that's it.
27:24
So trust people who have lived experience and what they've been
27:27
through as well.
27:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's no textbook for it.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: Now 20, I have a lot of experiences that were pretty uncomfortable.
27:35
SPEAKER_01: However, at age 20, I was still in the thick of it.
27:39
SPEAKER_01: Like there's no way.
27:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would not at age 20 have probably been your best guide.
27:44
SPEAKER_01: I was still figuring myself out.
27:49
And I'm not disaccounting those 20 year olds who are incredibly
27:52
old souls and been
27:53
SPEAKER_00: through so much by the time they get there.
27:54
SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying that.
27:55
I'm just saying just because you do a certificate doesn't mean
27:58
you're a master in
27:59
SPEAKER_00: whatever it is you've done.
28:01
SPEAKER_01: No, agreed.
28:02
SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
28:04
SPEAKER_01: I know a lot of evolved 20 years old.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: And as we start to finish our time together,
28:12
SPEAKER_00: Linda,
28:12
SPEAKER_00: I asked the guests that come on the show,
28:14
SPEAKER_00: if you could heal or change something in the world,
28:17
SPEAKER_00: what would it be?
28:19
SPEAKER_01: For us to really realize,
28:22
SPEAKER_01: we do not realize how powerful we are in here and we keep outsourcing.
28:26
SPEAKER_01: So to really begin to listen to ourselves,
28:31
SPEAKER_01: remember who we are at the heart,
28:34
SPEAKER_01: at the core,
28:35
SPEAKER_01: and remain curious about that.
28:37
SPEAKER_01: There's no right or wrong way.
28:38
And to realize that we have everything we need right here and
28:43
we keep going out here.
28:44
SPEAKER_01: It needs to come in here.
28:45
SPEAKER_01: 100%.
28:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:48
And if people want to come and work with you Linda or find out
28:51
more about your
28:51
SPEAKER_00: living dream course where can they go?
28:54
To my website and I also just developed a really cool tool I've
28:58
been working on it
28:59
for the last year and it's a dream decoder so you can go in for
29:02
free right now and
29:03
SPEAKER_01: put your dream in and it'll give you how I would work with your dream
29:08
and it'll pick out symbols it'll tell you what to work on what
29:12
to incubate possibly
29:13
in your next stream so it's a super cool tool and then yeah I
29:18
have a dream series
29:19
that you can just work on your own with too so there's some
29:23
some different ways
29:23
SPEAKER_00: amazing and I'll make sure to pop that in the show notes and
29:27
SPEAKER_00: That is very cool.
29:28
SPEAKER_00: You've created a dream, Dakota.
29:30
I used to have an app that you could look up like symbols in
29:33
your dream and that sort of thing.
29:34
And it was okay,
29:35
but sometimes it was helpful to try and put together if it was
29:38
really weird.
29:39
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you have to try this one.
29:41
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I will.
29:41
SPEAKER_00: Try it, yeah.
29:42
SPEAKER_00: Because I'm curious.
29:43
SPEAKER_01: It's a whole weaving on you.
29:45
SPEAKER_01: And I'm super passionate about it because I spent so much time,
29:48
SPEAKER_01: I spent a year kind of creating it.
29:51
SPEAKER_01: So it was my voice and me.
29:53
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, so it's kind of, I love it.
29:57
SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
29:59
SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: And so you should.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm excited to go play with it.
30:03
SPEAKER_01: And then everybody keep a journal by your bed.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: Just keep a dream journal by your bed.
30:08
SPEAKER_01: Always.
30:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:12
SPEAKER_00: And because our ego will say we'll remember it, but we really won't.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: No.
30:17
SPEAKER_01: And there's something there.
30:18
SPEAKER_01: And then it might show up in your waking life.
30:20
SPEAKER_01: Like I see that a lot start happening.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:23
SPEAKER_00: A hundred percent.
30:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:24
SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you so much, Liz.
30:25
SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
30:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this was lovely conversation.
30:29
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
30:29
SPEAKER_00: And for everyone listening,
30:31
SPEAKER_00: if you enjoyed this episode,
30:32
SPEAKER_00: please feel free to like,
30:34
SPEAKER_00: share or subscribe.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: If you want to go check out Linda's Dream Dakota,
30:38
please do check out the links in the show notes and go connect
30:41
with her there.
30:42
and thank you so much for tuning in and Linda thank you so much
30:46
for having a
30:47
conversation about dreams but not the dreams that we're living
30:50
and waking like
30:51
those ones that are happening while we're asleep thank you so
30:54
much hey beautiful
30:55
souls it is Catherine Crestani here and I wanted to have a chat
30:58
with you about a
30:59
SPEAKER_00: really amazing
31:00
Cacao that I drink to help me get in ceremony to help me ground
31:05
but also just
31:06
because it tastes freaking good so if you're curious and want
31:09
to know about
31:09
drinking something other than coffee or your standard tea why
31:14
not check out
31:14
Creation Cacao I love this with a bit of honey and cinnamon
31:19
sprinkled in and just
31:21
SPEAKER_00: letting it brew and having that whole intention as you create this cup
31:25
So if you're curious about want to know more check out the link
31:29
in the show notes
31:30
SPEAKER_00: and in the bio and enjoy your cup of cacao.
31:34
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for listening to Willow Healing Matters the podcast.
31:37
We have so much love and gratitude that you are taking the time
31:40
out of your day to
31:41
SPEAKER_00: empower you on your healing journey.
31:44
The views shared by the person being interviewed might not
31:47
necessarily reflect that
31:48
SPEAKER_00: of the host and should be used at your own discernment.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: Trust what resonates for you and follow your heart and soul guidance.
31:55
SPEAKER_00: If you have any underlying medical conditions or mental health
31:59
SPEAKER_00: This can be found in the show notes.
32:00
Remember to activate,
32:01
align,
32:01
heal,
32:02
empower and find love in everything that you do.