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225. The Baptist Potluck Draft and John Hamlin's Thoughts on Preaching · 4-Freedom Podcast

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Welcome back to the Four Freedom podcast.
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What a wonderful season we have had this year.
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We are excited about taking our summer break, taking a couple of
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months off in June and July as we normally do.
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And we've got some fantastic sermons lined up for you to
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listen to. We've got some bonus interviews
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that we're going to be dropping this summer.
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But before we get to the summer, we have to do our summer
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episode, our last episode of the season.
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Brett, we are at episode 225 going into the summer six years
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ago, being John, we never thought we'd make it to 225,
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much less make it this far. We never thought we'd have our
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own cigar company. We never thought any of this
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would happen, that I would have wrote a book.
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But I'm grateful for the opportunity to sit behind a mic
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and talk to you guys and grateful for my friendship with
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Brett. And we've got an action-packed
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episode today. This may be the summer break
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episode, but you don't want to miss it.
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We're going to jump through some fun things here in the
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second-half of the podcast. It's a Brett, welcome back to
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the show. How are you doing, my man?
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Man, things are going great. And Speaking of the past, you
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know, I, I remember meeting you and John at the for the Sake of
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the Gospel Conference. And I think we met in bourbon.
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I think this was the first time we met.
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We've been in a couple of conferences and I've never
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imagined that I, I would never be on the podcast, but I was a
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long time listener and I am so thankful to be here with you and
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to be recording on the podcast. And one day John's going to come
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back and I'm going to be on the episode with y'all because every
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time he's he's come back, I've been absent, I've been off doing
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something. So we're going to have to see if
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we can next season get him on here where all three of us can
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be on here. I think that'd be great.
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Absolutely, yeah. I think it we can make that
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happen. And he's he doesn't do anything.
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He acts like he's busy, but he really doesn't do anything at
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all. He does listen to every episode,
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so we can always crack on him a little bit and have a good time.
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But man, I am grateful for today.
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Thankful that we had a wonderful episode this last time with
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Bridget and all of her insight that she gave on her book.
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If you haven't went and purchased that and begin reading
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that, go and do that and, and support her in that way.
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She's got a powerful story, a powerful testimony.
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JC always used to say on the RFP podcast, the power of a story
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and what a story can bring and the light that they can bring to
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people's life. And So what a, what a wonderful
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way to encourage yourself and to help others, Believe it or not,
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you're going to interact with people that are hurting, that
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have been hurt, maybe you yourself have been hurt.
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And that's a great way for you to work through some things.
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And she's got some different checkpoints in there.
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And so hopefully you'll go and check that out.
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But again, thanks Bridget for coming on last week and sharing
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your heart and your testimony. And I'm looking forward to
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furthering with her in the future with some projects and
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things. Now, James, you said when you
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started reading this book, you, you almost couldn't put it down.
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Yeah. Yeah, that's correct.
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Yeah. Cool.
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Cool. I'm looking forward to getting a
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copy of it and reading it. It's listening to her story,
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listening to the stories that you told me about the book.
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I'm going to get it pretty soon and I'm going to read it as
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well. Yeah.
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So Brett, we've got when this comes out, this is the last
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episode of May, the next episode won't drop until June.
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So this is the last time that we'll be able to talk on the
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air. We've got a 15% discount on all
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of our cigar stuff. It's May 15th freedom.
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Go and stock up on that for the summer.
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Stock up on that for any gifts, Father's Day gifts coming up,
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things that you can give to. I was listening to the podcast.
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My son was in the car this last week and we were listening to it
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and he heard you talking about the hoodie and he leaned over to
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me and he said, dad, I need that hoodie.
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Like if Brett talking that great about the hoodie, I've got to
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get one. Can you get me one?
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I said sure. He said, dad, do you have any
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hats? I said it's funny you ask, we
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I'm actually talking to a designer to create us a custom
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hat with the patch, the full freedom patch on the front of it
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and have that ready hopefully by like October.
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I've got a big event in October. So we've got a couple of things
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we got going on, couple of things that we're going to be
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working on. And so hopefully that'll that'll
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help out a little bit for you to advertise what you believe and
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support us in a great way. But Brett, how we got Orlando
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coming up? Oh man, Orlando's going to be
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fun. We're going down to the National
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Southern Baptist Convention. Last night our church just voted
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to make me and my family messengers, and so it's kind of
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official to the church notes. So we're in a couple weeks.
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We're heading down South. We talked about this last week,
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but my vacation Bible school starts on May the 31st and then
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it ends the night before we go to Orlando.
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So it's going to be a busy week that week, but it's always good
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to get away, get down there. You know it, it's a convention,
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but it's also a time away for my family, a time to rest, recharge
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a little bit. And I'm looking forward to, I've
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never took the, I've never taken my boys to Orlando.
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And then of course, spend a couple of days here at Universal
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Studios. But what I'm looking forward to
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the most is again, with the pastors down there and listen,
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man, if you're listening to this and you're going to be at the
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convention, please hit us up. But that's what we want.
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That's what we live for. We want to, we want to hang out
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with you. You know, we got, we rented a
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house and we got a couple of guys coming over already.
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But we want a fellowship with you.
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We want to talk to you. If you're going to be down
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there, please, by all means. Hit us up.
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Yeah, absolutely. That's one of the things that I
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look forward to the most is just been able to get together with
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guys Q and other guys from different conventions and
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different areas that we've made contacts with over the years.
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And so hopefully you'll let us know.
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I've got a guy that I went to college with that lives not far
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from where we're going to be at. He's going to come over and hang
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out with us. Super excited about that.
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And man, I'm just excited about being down there with you and
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our families getting away it. For us, it's like you said, it's
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a little mini vacation that we get to get away part of it and
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then refresh our soul to the preaching and then go to the
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convention and see what's going on with all that.
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But yeah. We're going to get to see the
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I'm talking about the doctor, Marcus Merritt.
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He'll be down there. Hey, has he said anything to you
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about Parit being down there? Not yet.
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I did talk to him about Parit the other day and he said that
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she is doing well. She had taken a little bit of a
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vacation, but everything for them is back to normal.
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Where they're at, she said there is no conflict whatsoever.
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And so she said that they're just waiting on the airlines
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open back up. So everything's back good
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rolling. I got nervous because when
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everything happened with the attacks, I reached out to her
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and normally she's really good about within a day or so
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reaching back out to me and she didn't.
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And so when I was talking to Marcus about a couple of things
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the other day, she said, yeah, she's doing really good.
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I just just talked to her and just trying to get a couple
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things going. So yeah, it's been really good.
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I'm interested to talk to her because you know, my first, we
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want to do the Footsteps of Paul trip and that that's the grease
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trip. And so, you know, if that's
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still on, if that's still something we can schedule,
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they've got 2 they and for any of those, any of our listeners
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interested. And of course, any trip that me
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or James put on is open to our listeners.
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So one of the things in this Footsteps of Paul, there's a
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land tour and there's a there's a water tour where you on a
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little cruise ship. And so I'm thinking we'll do the
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cruise ship. But then of course, you know, we
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got this cruise ship with this Hantavirus and then everybody's
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scared to go on a cruise ship. You know, I mean, we, we, we
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Baptist, you know, we ain't scared.
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No Hantavirus. You know, you ever been in a a
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nursery with that that ran out of Lysol?
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I mean, Hantavirus ain't got nothing on that.
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That's right. Speaking of cruise ship, Brett,
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I I cannot go without mentioning this today, the time this
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episode comes out, me and my wife celebrate 15 years today.
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And so we are she's put up with me this long, haven't ran her
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off. I think there were probably
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times that she wanted to run away, but I had her in Idaho
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that worse, you know, 2400 miles away from civilization and
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family. And so she probably couldn't get
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away. But I am thankful that she's put
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up with me this long. And so Speaking of cruises, this
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is what reminded me. I just booked our 15th
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anniversary cruise. We've never been on a cruise
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before. We're going to Nassau and the
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Bahamas, four night, 5 day cruise down there.
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And it's going to be in July after our camps that we have for
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our youth camp and kids camp. We're getting away for a week,
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shipping the kids off to grandparents and family and just
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going and hanging out down there.
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And I'm looking forward to it. So hopefully I don't come back
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with with some rat virus. First time it was birds, rats.
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I don't understand what's going on, but I've heard fantastic
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thing about cruises, so we're really excited about that as
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well. Man, that's awesome.
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It's interesting that your 15 year anniversary is today
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because in two weeks is my 20 year anniversary.
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Let's go. I mean, and we've been married
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20 years and my oldest son, Colin, he graduates college this
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coming Sunday. And so got a lot of things, a
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lot of milestones ahead of us in the next two weeks.
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Yeah, absolutely. Well, with that being said,
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let's jump in today's episode. We've got some fun things
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planned for you. A fun episode going into the
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summer revolving around a couple of things.
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Let's jump into that right now. For freedom set me free.
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Not for change, not for guilt, not for Pharisee grace.
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Let the flame. Now I'm puffing peace, cigars
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and victory. Justified.
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Released. Welcome to the For Freedom
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podcast. This podcast exists to bring the
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freedom of the gospel for everyday Christians with
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everyday issues. I ain't saved by dress codes,
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not by what I eat. I'm covered in the
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righteousness, washed from head to feet.
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No tally of tradition, no man made code.
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Blood bought my freedom. Now I ride that road.
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They clutch pearls when they see smoke rings rise, but my prey
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still ascends. Past the legalist cries.
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Christ plus nothing. That's the real math.
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So miss me with your fence laws and your extra path.
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He sat with sinners. I'm sitting with Saints, sipping
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grace from the bottle. No room for face.
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I like one for liberty. Toast to the king.
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Every ash of sermon. Death has lost its sting.
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For freedom He set me free. Not for change, not for guilt,
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not for Pharisee Grace. Let the flame, Now I'm puffing
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peace, cigars and victory justified released.
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For freedom He set me free. Not for change, not for guilt,
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not for Pharisee grace. Let the flame now I'm puffing
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peace, cigars and victory Justified released.
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Let grace begin now. Here are.
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Your hosts James Seyfried and Brett Martin.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Four Freedom
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Podcast. Tonight, we're going to put
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theology aside for a moment and tackle the issue that is divided
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Baptist. Churches. 4 generations.
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Today we are going to be talking about something that has been
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the conflict of many, many church splits.
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The conflict of many different arguments of which one is better
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and what is the best. Today we will be talking about
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the Baptist Potluck Draft coming to you Live from the Family Life
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Center where sweet tea is cold, the casseroles are hot, and the
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church ladies are judging every decision that you make.
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I'm your host, Brett Martin, alongside my Co host James
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Seyfried. And tonight, we're drafting the
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Ultimate Baptist Fellowship meal.
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Now, James, the experts are calling this one one of the
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deepest potluck classes in years.
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They've never seen a field like this before.
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Absolutely, Brett. Elite talent at the dessert
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table this season. Strong casserole depths and and
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the second round. This is where it gets difficult
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when you begin judging and looking through those side
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dishes of what you're going to pick and where you're going to
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go. Exactly.
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And there are already rumors that banana pudding may go
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earlier than expected. You know, when years past we've
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been wrong about that, but it's looking like it's going to go
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quick this year. Yeah, honestly, Brett, if banana
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pudding falls outside of the top three, someone must have lost
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their mind. Absolutely.
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Now let's go over the rules for today's draft.
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This is a snake draft format and what that means is no trades, no
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duplicate picks. And once a food is drafted, it
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is off the board. It is out of play.
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That's right. And so today me and you are
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going to go head to head drafting our favorite things of
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food. We're going to start with a main
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dish. We're going to head to the side
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dishes and then we'll be going to our dessert, our drinks, and
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then we're throwing in a wild card pick as well of some
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various different things that you may throw onto your plate as
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well to have a wonderful well put meal put together.
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Absolutely. And at the end of the episode,
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you decide what plate wins. We'll be taking our our plates.
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We'll be posting them on social media.
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And you get the vote. You have the power to decide who
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wins the draft tonight. Now before we begin, James, who
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are your sleeper picks tonight? Sleeper picks, There's a couple
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of things we're looking at. We're looking at who are the
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really good things about the funeral potatoes.
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You know, those are those, those little thin sliced potatoes that
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come out only at funeral times, veteran presents.
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I mean, they're there when times get tough, Strong church
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history. It travels well, it stays warm.
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It's got that cheesy layer on top of them.
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If you make them that way, they're they're a dime a dozen
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to get one of those. That's a solid pick.
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Now personally, I think deviled eggs are underrated this year.
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Yeah, strong flavor profile, dangerous when it comes to close
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quarters. That little paprika sprinkling
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on top of it, it can make for an eye appealing grab there on that
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side dish. That's a fairpoint.
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And when you get a deviled egg, you don't know what Pickles
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you're going to get. Are you going to get sweet
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Pickles? Are you going to get deal?
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You just don't know. So it is a risk, but is it is a
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risky move tonight? Absolutely.
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And before the clock gets started, Brett, let's talk
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through a couple of commentaries of some of these items that
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we're going to jump through as we begin to walk through this
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analysis of the potluck items that we're going to be talking
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through. This year's draft class, it's
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loaded with desserts, man. The desserts are just full.
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The table's full. I feel like every time we go to
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a potluck like this, you, you just, you'd never have enough
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desserts. And so you got to have another
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dessert that comes into it. Experts are calling this one of
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the deepest potluck classes in recent memories.
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What's your thoughts on this, Brett?
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You know, I'll tell you what you've got the, the, the strange
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picks today, the wild card picks.
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But then you've got the fan favorites.
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You've got the ones that, you know, we're always going to be
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at the top. And of course, we cannot talk
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about the draft without talking about fried chicken.
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I mean, fried chicken remains the gold standard of the Baptist
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potluck draft. I mean, it's still the safest
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overall pick in Baptist history. You know, you may, you may get
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criticized for going traditional, but let me tell you
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something. Fried chicken delivers every
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Sunday, Any given Sunday, it delivers.
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You can never go wrong siding with the fried chicken.
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That's a foundational ministry food.
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Yeah, Brett, what about Mac and cheese?
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Right. Mac and cheese, it comes in, it
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comes in strong every year. Kids love it, adults love it,
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grandparents love it, teenagers love it.
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Everyone loves a good dish of Mac and cheese.
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The only problem with Mac and cheese is sometimes you get that
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Mac and cheese that's been overcooked too long, right?
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It just turns in the Bush. But then you've got that other
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one that's been baked perfectly, that's got the perfect cheese
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crust on top, that's got the gooey middle as you begin to go
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through it. The noodles aren't mushy.
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They're great. So so there's a little bit of
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plug and play that goes here with the Mac and cheese, but
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it's just one of those items that it can be a big, huge bust
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or it could be the biggest upside to make your team the
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greatest team of all time. Absolutely, absolutely.
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And of course, before we get into this, we have to talk
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probably about one of the most controversial prospects in this
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year's draft, and that is the potato salad.
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I mean, we've got a high ceiling.
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We've got a dangerous floor. Listen, when it comes to salad,
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when it's good, it's elite. When it's bad, it can divide the
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church worse than the color of the carpet.
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There are major chemistry concerns when it comes to potato
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salad. Somebody's amp makes the
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greatest potato salad on earth, and everybody else thinks
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there's does too. So there's a lot of divided
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opinion on the field this year when it comes to potato salad,
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but I'm interested to see which way we'll go this year.
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Yeah, and and you know, as we throw this through here real
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quick, Brett, the Falkland store ball food, right?
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The guys that show, the guys that show up with the Bow Berry,
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I don't know if y'all have Bojangles were here, Bow Berry
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biscuits or the KFC chicken bucket.
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And all of a sudden they've brought in a pretty good heavy
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hitter with some food that they don't have to prepare.
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But it's there, it's made right. The pre made cookies from
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Walmart that are store bought that are thrown in there.
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The talents there. The idea is there, but sometimes
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people would rather go for that homemade home feeling, grandma
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style cooking versus just going for the KFC bucket of chicken.
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Exactly, but I'll tell you what there there are a couple of
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exceptions when you're sitting in the family life center in the
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fellowship hall and they, the doors open and the the buckets
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come in maybe not from KFC, but from the local gas station.
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A fried chicken that was made down down at the pump and go,
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man, that can be some of the best fried chicken on the earth.
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You're excited about it. You want to get to the line 1st
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and fill your plate up, get white and dark meat, a breast
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and a leg. And so it is up in the air about
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that. One of the last things that
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we'll talk about before we go into our draft or the sweet tea
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options, it is the undisputed #1 drink prospect in the South.
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There's not even a close second. That's a franchise beverage.
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You draft sweet tea early and you build around it.
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Absolutely. All right, Brett, let's jump
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into it. We're going to flip a coin.
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You got a coin ready? So I'll flip and you call all.
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Right here we go. Tails never fails.
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Tails. You Tails it is, baby.
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Let's go. All right, let's go main dishes.
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All right main dish on the clock I'm jumping in first here we go
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my main dish pic as we walk through this, as we have been
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walking through these items, I there's one that that stuck out
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in my mind and I was reading through the list of things we
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got a good smoked brisket. I'm throwing that on my plate.
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I'm jumping into the brisket for me, I'm.
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I'm taking that with a little bit of BBQ sauce, rub it on to
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the side and it looked perfect. I saw the juices flowing out as
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I picked it up with the tongs. It is there and it's ready for
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the taking. All right, let's see.
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Going on to my pick is we are going to play it safe and we're
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going to go with the fried chicken fried.
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Chicken. This This isn't the homemade
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fried chicken. This isn't the KFC fried
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chicken. This is the gas station fried
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chicken. I played my I showed my hand a
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little bit early with that, But and when, when, when, when they
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walk through those doors with with the with the with the box
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of chicken from the local gas station.
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You just you know, you're, you're, you're you put it on top
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of your head. Your tongue will beat your
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brains out trying to get to it. Absolutely we are, we are going
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with the the. Fried chicken for my first pick
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on the main dish. All right, so that means I get
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the next pick in the side dishes.
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That's right, first round pick of the side dish.
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That's right. So I am going to, I'm going to
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go against what people would mainly pick and I'm going to
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pick fried oakery. Fried.
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It's going to be my side dish. A lot of these others are good
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but when I see fried okra on the counter I'm going to get it
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every single time. Is a go to standard for my plate
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and if I don't have room I'll make room.
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You know what up at a potluck you fill out your plate when
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when you run out of room you start stacking like you.
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Have a second. Layer start going up then fried
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okra is something I'm picking every time.
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You know, Brett Fried Okra is one of those ones that it's,
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it's a dangerous pick for you. Yeah, it could come out super
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soggy and not done all the way, or it could be overdone and and
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cooked too much and then it's got that burnt taste in your
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mouth. So, you know, and a potluck
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having fried okra on the table could be one of those things
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that you just really wasn't prepared for.
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And or you may pick up one that's like the best one you've
22:19
ever had. And, and the key is to know who
22:23
made it. If you know who made it, you've
22:25
got a good indication that it's going to be a good round this
22:28
year. Yeah, you know, for me, I'm
22:31
going with my safe bet because I've never met one that I didn't
22:35
like and that's a deviled egg. Deviled eggs with my, with my
22:39
brisket. I'm rolling with that.
22:43
And so that, that that's one of those ones.
22:45
I've been at four different churches, 5 if you cut my home
22:49
church, and I've yet to come across a deviled egg that wasn't
22:52
absolutely delicious. So even with the sweet Pickles,
22:57
even with the dill Pickles, my father-in-law who throws in a
23:00
little brisket with, with it, like there hasn't been one that
23:03
I've had that I didn't like. So it's one of those safe, like
23:06
honey hole, you're going to give it to the guy and he's going to
23:09
score a touchdown with it. So I'm I'm going with that.
23:10
I'm going with deviled eggs. You know, deviled eggs is a
23:13
great pick. It would, it is my favorite
23:16
actually, I would have picked deviled eggs, but I was going
23:20
for more popular. Not a lot of people like deviled
23:23
eggs. It is one of my favorite so I
23:26
will give you that great pick. All right, I get to pick the
23:28
first dessert as we roll out the dessert side.
23:31
If you know me, you know me well, and you know that if this
23:35
dessert is on the table and I get a chance to get it, I'm
23:39
going to go all in. And so my first round pick for
23:43
the dessert has to go to the chocolate pie.
23:46
And so I'm jumping in. Chocolate pie all the way.
23:49
And yeah. Chocolate pie is a great choice.
23:53
Great choice. All right, from me, I, this is
23:58
one of those things, if I see it, I'm going to get it now.
24:00
And, and that is, of course, I'm going, I'm going popular.
24:04
I'm going the top of the list. I'm going banana pudding now the
24:09
banana now the banana pudding that comes out of out of a box
24:12
is good. Don't get me wrong.
24:14
I'll never say no to it. Get that banana pudding that was
24:18
that was homemade, did not come out of a box that they actually
24:23
put in the oven, baked it in the oven.
24:26
Baked. OK, you're talking baked banana
24:28
pudding. Baked, you know, OK.
24:30
Homemade from flour baked in the oven.
24:33
Banana pudding, not out of a box.
24:36
The box stuff is good, but man, the elite level is that banana
24:40
pudding that's homemade that grandma used to make.
24:43
She's passed down the recipe. This is the best banana pudding
24:47
on the man and I'll never say no to it.
24:49
So pick on the dessert is going to be banana pudding.
24:53
I got to, I got to give you a little little input here on
24:56
banana pudding. I've never had baked banana
24:58
pudding until I went to our coach football a couple years
25:03
ago right before COVID here at the public school and churches
25:07
sponsored the meal, but pregame meal.
25:10
And so I got to go to all these different churches and we went
25:12
to Little River Baptist Church and they had baked banana
25:15
pudding and I was like, I don't know about this baked banana
25:19
pudding. Like I don't know if I like
25:20
this. They they were all the coaches
25:22
know. Listen, you've got to get some
25:23
pastor like this is great. I took a bite of it.
25:26
Fantastic. I've never had it before baked
25:28
like that. Oh my goodness, it was so good.
25:30
But one other here. This is likely some of these
25:32
sleeper things because every make everyone makes banana
25:35
pudding a little different, right.
25:36
Some people thinly slice their bananas and they're like perfect
25:39
mixture of the two. We have a lady at my last church
25:43
and my wife does not like banana pudding at all, but if she made
25:47
her banana pudding she was getting there.
25:48
Her name was Amy and Amy this is how much care she put it.
25:53
It's all about the care that you put into the banana pudding that
25:55
you make it. She took each and every vanilla
25:58
wafer and put peanut butter in between the vanilla wafers and
26:02
made peanut butter vanilla wafer sandwiches and put those vanilla
26:06
wafer sandwiches into her banana pudding.
26:09
Not just regular wafers, right? She's throwing a little extra
26:12
care in there. And so you have the peanut
26:14
butter vanilla wafers, you have the banana pudding, you have the
26:17
bananas, you have the whipped cream.
26:18
You throw that into one bite. Oh my goodness, you talking
26:21
about some good banana pudding? It's the best banana pudding
26:24
I've ever put in my mouth. Wow.
26:26
I'll tell you before we move on, I've got a banana pudding story
26:29
too. I'm not going to tell you the
26:30
church or the OR any names. I'm going to change the names to
26:33
protect the innocent, but we were going to a church.
26:36
One time we visited a Church of a friend of mine and his mom
26:41
brought banana pudding to the church.
26:43
And it was an independent Fundamental Baptist Church.
26:45
And she had used to be in IFB, but she wasn't anymore, but she
26:50
was back visiting, and she had brought some banana pudding.
26:54
And the people in the church loved it.
26:57
I mean, they scraped the bottom of the bowl and they kept asking
27:01
her, what's your recipe? What's your recipe?
27:03
I've got to make this. It is so great.
27:05
And she kept saying, I'm sorry, it's a family recipe.
27:08
I promised I wouldn't tell anybody.
27:10
What? Why you know what was in it and
27:13
and what and what made it good. I wouldn't give the recipe out.
27:17
I'm sorry. Everybody asked for she deny and
27:19
I thought that was kind of odd because that was outside of her,
27:23
outside of her character. So later on, come to find out
27:26
the reason why she didn't tell anybody is because the secret
27:29
ingredient was banana rum. Tell anybody in the IFB church
27:35
that the secret ingredient was banana rum.
27:37
So she was keeping it a secret. That's awesome.
27:40
All right, moving on to the drink category.
27:42
And I'm going to tell you, I mean, I, you know you, you've
27:45
got your populars, you've got, you know, your, your rare picks,
27:50
but you know, I'm going to go the safe pick.
27:53
It's my pick. I'm going, I'm going safe, safe
27:56
bet, strong pick. Sweet tea.
28:00
Tea is going to be my pick. It's always a fan favorite at
28:04
the Baptist potluck. And So what we're going strong
28:07
with not saccharine, not unsweet, not not swell, but
28:13
sugar tea. Absolutely.
28:15
Come on, come on. All right, You took my pick.
28:17
That's the first one where you took my pick, Brett.
28:19
So I have to go to my backup, my second pick.
28:22
We're in the South, we're in North Carolina, we're in Tier 1
28:26
country. I'm taking tier one as my drink.
28:29
It's the, it's the drink of the South.
28:31
It's the flavor of the South. My wife did not like it.
28:34
Now she'll actually go to a restaurant and she'll order a
28:37
tier one if it's on the fountain tap.
28:39
So we're taking tier one and then we're throwing in this wild
28:43
card here. We got a wild card Baptist
28:45
potluck wild card round where it's your hodgepodge of
28:48
appetizers, your various different things that didn't
28:51
quite make it into the guides around.
28:53
They're not really a main course meal.
28:56
They're not really a casserole. They're just sort of there.
28:59
These are the people that just throw in a couple of things.
29:01
And so my pick for this is the Buffalo chicken dip.
29:06
I'm going all the way on the dip.
29:08
Absolutely great pick. Great pick.
29:12
All right, my pick for the Baptist potluck wildcards is I'm
29:17
going to go with one on here that I am excited about and that
29:22
is the Rotel dip. You know, it's not like gold
29:26
standard of, you know, traditional, but man, if you got
29:29
a Rotel dip on on on the board, on the on the counter, I'm
29:34
probably going to go for it every time.
29:36
Rotel dip I think is a good choice.
29:39
All right, well, we'll be posting those on our social
29:42
media page. You take a vote of which meal
29:45
you would prefer if that plate was in front of you.
29:48
And what a great time we had with that and just having a
29:51
little bit of fun with it. But before we move on, I'm going
29:54
to go through and I'm going to give you my second pitch real
29:56
quick. All right, My second pics were
29:59
Maine dish chicken and dumplings, side dish Mac and
30:03
cheese. Dessert was Oreo delight.
30:07
That was my second picture drinks for my second pick was
30:11
doctor pepper and my and my wild card.
30:14
Second pick was cracked chicken. All right, my second picks were
30:19
chicken casserole Mac and cheese.
30:24
Or. Yeah, yeah, Mac and cheese is
30:26
number 2. Pecan pie for my dessert, I had
30:31
Cheerwine was my #2 my number one was sweet tea.
30:33
So I had to go that. And then my number, my wild card
30:37
was Velveeta dip, which is like Rotel dip.
30:39
It's through the same thing. But yeah, that step.
30:43
Awesome. All right, Brett, as we close
30:45
this episode out, we were sent a picture this week.
30:49
It was called the five pillars of old fashioned preaching.
30:53
What happens is the IFB discovers this thing called
30:56
ChatGPT and they create some fun things.
31:00
And So what we did is I pulled this up and we're going to talk
31:04
through. It's Jon Hamlin.
31:06
He's preaching. And I don't know if this is a
31:08
quote. I don't know if he made this.
31:09
I don't know if someone made this.
31:11
We'll post it on our social media as well.
31:13
But it says in a high tech error, there's a vital need to
31:17
return to the antique style of homiletics, right?
31:20
Homiletics, the style of preaching, these five pillars
31:24
represent the foundational preaching style required
31:28
required get this required to spark the Prairie of fire of the
31:34
spiritual revival that we need today.
31:37
And so he he's got it broken into two different categories,
31:40
the crafting of the message and the power of the delivery.
31:44
So Brett, I'm going to talk start with the first one and
31:47
we're going to just diagnose each of these and each of the
31:51
five different ones there. He's got a he's got a fixed one
31:53
that's at the very bottom and we'll hit at the very end the
31:56
first one we'll start on the crafting the message.
31:58
It says that you must have authoritarian preaching
32:02
prioritize the delivery of scripture over personal stories.
32:06
So people will remember God's word.
32:10
Absolutely. Because when you're trying to
32:13
get a message from the word of God, the first thing you need to
32:17
do is think about how you're going to deliver it.
32:19
I'm not asking how you study it that that.
32:22
Don't worry about that. No, don't study.
32:24
Ignore commentaries or reading through the passage or any
32:27
original languages. You need to think about just how
32:29
you're going to deliver it. Absolutely.
32:31
How's the authoritarian there? Which is funny that he put this
32:35
as #1 because Brett, how many times is the story of the pastor
32:40
or some event that happened that week the highlight of the entire
32:43
message? And the word of God is the the
32:47
we opened up with the Scripture and that's about it.
32:49
Like we walk away from Scripture and we tell stories and we just
32:52
story tell the whole time. Exactly.
32:54
Because that is that that's that's the kind of the gold
32:57
standard of the IFB message. And it's the first thing on the
33:00
list for putting the message together is being authoritative
33:04
and getting stories out. Yeah. #2 Brett, jump into it. #2
33:09
is articulate preaching. It says view words as a master
33:13
Craftsman, use his favorite tools to ensure clarity.
33:19
And so we got to make sure that we get all the cliches, all the
33:22
colloquialisms in there, make sure you know, you, we, we get
33:27
those, you know, put that in your tailpipe and smoke it.
33:30
And I get those words in there. So people will remember because
33:34
that's the most important thing is they remember, they remember
33:38
how well you delivered the sermon.
33:40
And that's what we want to be. You know we don't.
33:42
You know the message of the sermon is secondary to how you
33:45
delivered it. Absolutely.
33:47
You know those those catchy statements of don't let the door
33:50
hit you where the good Lords bless you, brother.
33:53
Amen. Right.
33:53
We want to be able to throw those out at any given time.
33:56
All right, listen, I will tell you that God bless him, but JC
34:01
is so good at that. He knows those sayings that
34:04
he'll throw them out. And it is hilarious when he does
34:07
that. All right, so that's crafting
34:09
the message. You got the authoritative
34:10
preaching. You got the articulate
34:12
preaching. Now we get to the power of
34:14
delivery. Now he's begins to walk through
34:16
when you deliver this message, you got to have aggressive
34:19
preaching. All right, we're we're staying
34:22
with a you. Forgot animated.
34:23
Well, that that's at the bottom, we're going to come back to that
34:25
because that's, that's part of how we preach.
34:29
I think, I think this was written as the top 2 on both
34:32
sides and then he went down to the bottom.
34:34
I think so aggressive preaching, true preaching, right?
34:39
True preaching. This is how he has it listed.
34:41
Always demands a decision after either to get saved or to get
34:48
right. So if you're not preaching for a
34:50
decision, you're not preaching at all.
34:53
So, Brett, thoughts on that? Man, I just look at that word
34:56
aggressive. Aggressive.
34:58
I mean you, you mean you got to be always aggressive.
35:01
You got to be 90 to nothing the whole time.
35:03
Your your whole point is, is to RIP someone a new one.
35:07
Don't worry about encouraging or edifying someone.
35:10
You're just there to to RIP, to RIP them up, RIP them up one
35:14
side, down, down the other. Be aggressive the whole time.
35:17
Love it. Yeah, absolutely.
35:19
Now this next one, but that you're going to get to I I do
35:22
agree with this one. This one I believe is it is it's
35:25
it's vital like you have to have this if you're going to be
35:27
preaching, right. I've not been sarcastic here.
35:29
I'm I've been, I've been honest. Yeah, anointed preaching.
35:32
It says the touch of God is the essential element that makes
35:37
thundering the thundering tenants effective.
35:40
And you know, yeah, you're right.
35:42
Annoying preaching and. If you're not bathing your
35:45
message in prayer and you're not seeking those face of the Lord
35:48
before you preach, then you probably shouldn't even get up
35:50
and talk at all. And so I agree with that.
35:53
There needs to be anointing and you're preaching and it needs to
35:56
come from the Lord. And then it gets to really the,
35:59
the, the, the eclipses of all of the preaching of the IFB and
36:05
it's animated preaching, right? Delivery should be, what does it
36:09
say here be a flame of fire never resembling a lullaby or a
36:14
book report. You got to be animated.
36:17
There's no, there's no way if you're not, if you're not
36:20
jumping around, if you're not Billy Sundy jumping on top of
36:22
the pulpit and raising your fist and going crazy, How are they
36:26
going to listen to you like you? You've got to be animated.
36:28
Now, I'm all for moving around. I move around all the time.
36:31
I, I know what I'm preaching, so I have the freedom to move
36:34
around. But but I do understand you've
36:38
got to have a balance here of preaching with delivery and not
36:42
just be monotone. But the way this is saying is if
36:46
you're not moving, if you're not animated, you're not going to
36:49
have a powerful message. Right.
36:51
And, and I think, I think that I mean, in all seriousness, there
36:54
doesn't need to be a balance. You know, there need to be times
36:57
where you get people's attention and there needs to be times when
37:01
you just stand there very solemn and because of the subject
37:04
matter, you always go off the tone of the passage that you're
37:07
preaching. You know, and then I'll be
37:09
honest, going from an IFB background into kind of the
37:13
Southern Baptist searches, you know, when I pull out the IFB
37:17
style preaching, it kind of shocks people.
37:19
Sometimes I'll throw, I'll throw it in there every once in a
37:22
while to keep people on their toes, keep people on their feet.
37:25
I am for animated preaching. But you know, we're not going 9
37:29
into nothing all the time, running the pews and jump in the
37:31
pulpit. And then of course, this is the
37:35
sixth pillar of the five pillars and it is old time fire.
37:41
Uh oh, James. We didn't alliterate.
37:44
We didn't alliterate. This one doesn't start with an
37:46
A. We did not alliterate what is he
37:48
doing. Could we improve this?
37:49
Could we think of an A word to go here?
37:52
I don't know. We'll think about it, all right,
37:55
Old time fire. We need preaching to spread
37:57
across the country like a Prairie fire once more.
38:01
And you know, that's a good statement, maybe.
38:03
I got accelerated fire. Accelerated fire.
38:06
There you go. There you go.
38:07
But we have we have to get the old time in there.
38:10
That's what I'm saying. He had to get the old time we
38:13
got to get back to the 50s because they didn't have any
38:15
problems at all. No, no, we.
38:17
Got to get back to the old the old time of the the accelerated
38:21
fire, accelerated old time fire and man, AI couldn't have done
38:26
any better. That's right.
38:27
Hey, I love it. Hey, one of the things that I
38:29
love about this Brett is, is he talks about the exposition of
38:32
Scripture. What happened?
38:34
Yeah, it's. The fine print.
38:36
Yeah, down there, the fine print, he talks about how you
38:38
should expose the Scripture and not preach preferences, but
38:41
preach the Bible. So, you know, those things are
38:43
in there if you're going to have old time preaching that just
38:46
like Paul preached, you know, as Jesus was preaching and teaching
38:50
on this land. I mean, he's really pulling out
38:52
the tenants of what Jesus and and Paul were preaching and
38:55
Peter in those days. Well, hey, listen, you know
38:58
Paul. Paul wasn't right because Paul
39:00
didn't have the King James. What?
39:02
You're right, you're right. So you know this is better than
39:05
Paul. He corrected it so right, right.
39:09
King James came along so. So before we close out the
39:12
episode, let's real quick talk about our three favorite
39:17
episodes and moments from this year.
39:20
I'll start, of course, one of my favorite episodes this year was
39:27
the Erica Pacey interviews. I thought that that episode, it
39:32
got the highest height, the most anticipation.
39:36
We had that episode scheduled Eric Pacey for I think over a
39:41
year or more. Yeah.
39:44
Yeah. And so we've but you know, you,
39:46
you're really close to Eric. And so to have him on there and
39:50
just to think back to me being at Piles Anderson as a student,
39:54
having Eric Capaci come up and preach in Chapel, you know, and
40:00
I fell in love with Eric Capaci's preaching then.
40:02
And I've been to his church several times in Hot Springs,
40:05
used to date a girl from there. And, you know, I love Eric
40:09
Capaci and I love the way he's being used.
40:11
I love his story. And, you know, I'm glad that we
40:15
got a chance to talk to Eric from the podcast.
40:18
Yeah. You know, my number one favorite
40:21
moment of this last year was probably the connection that we
40:25
made with James Spurgeon. I appreciate what he's done with
40:28
the Texas Baptist Crucible and just the friendship that we've
40:32
developed. We got to hang out while I was
40:34
in Texas this last year and last almost a year ago now at the
40:38
convention last year, we were able to have him come back on a
40:41
couple of weeks ago and just talk to sort of where he's at
40:45
and what he's going through. I just appreciate his heart in
40:48
the matter. He's super humble and thankful
40:51
that that friendship has been developed.
40:53
He actually text me this morning and just said, hey, great
40:56
message, your great episode last week.
40:58
And so I do appreciate that and the connections that we've made,
41:02
the friendships that we've made #2 for me would be that Eric
41:06
Pacey interview. Again, just being able to talk
41:09
through that with him was great. And I just able to share some of
41:14
our thoughts and where we're at him to share his heart of where
41:17
he's at. May not agree with everything
41:19
that that was said or done, but I gave the opportunity for him
41:22
to share. And then I think that that is
41:26
one of the great things that we get to do is allow people to
41:29
come on and share their story. We don't necessarily critique
41:32
their story, although we may not agree with everything they say
41:35
or do, but we do get them to share their story and then to be
41:39
an encouragement in that area and so do enjoy that as well.
41:44
Brett, what's your #2? Building off of that, my number
41:47
2 is James Spurgeon as well. He's just easy to talk to.
41:52
He's a great guy. He's got a great story.
41:54
He's comes out of that IFB world.
41:57
He knows a lot about it, so it was a great episode just to get
42:01
to hang out with him again. I always enjoy talking to him.
42:04
I don't mind having him back on in the future.
42:07
Anytime I get to talk to James Spurgeon is a good day.
42:11
I really enjoyed our episode. I like the little game that we
42:14
played. Was it Uncle Chuck or not?
42:16
Yeah. Thought that was great.
42:18
I was glad he won, you know, so I was.
42:22
I was real happy for that, James.
42:24
So James is my #2 And then, of course, my number three pick for
42:28
a favorite episode. And you may or may not have
42:31
picked this, but mine is Father Kelly.
42:33
The reason is because, you know, Israel has such a big place in
42:37
our hearts and, you know, just to go there and we, I got more
42:43
out of this second trip than I did the first one.
42:46
We got to go to more places, do more things, see things that
42:51
weren't discovered before, learn more about all these areas.
42:55
And then Magdala, I thought was just going to be just a little
42:59
stop. We've already seen it once.
43:00
Yeah, the synagogue is cool. It's it's a synagogue that Jesus
43:04
preached in. That'll always be awesome and
43:06
will always be a highlight. But I thought we'll get out when
43:09
see synagogue, we'll leave. Man, Father Kelly, man he come
43:12
in there and then he took us on a journey.
43:15
He, he, he, we, we told us things that we didn't know, took
43:19
us back to the center and just open up the word of God to us.
43:23
Even though he's a Catholic, Catholic priest, he reached
43:26
across denominations, really spoke to us so much though, that
43:31
we had him come on the podcast. He's got a great story, great.
43:34
He's had a interesting life. And man, my Father Kelly episode
43:39
is definitely on my top three. Yeah, that was a great one.
43:43
And Magdala, I was excited about going to Magdala.
43:46
It was one of those spots that as I look back on, it was going
43:49
to be one of my highlights because I just didn't expect it.
43:52
And then it just blew me out of the water again.
43:54
So yeah, I appreciate that and I I think that'll be great.
43:58
The last one, mine, it's going to be cliche, but I enjoyed
44:03
having Bridget on just last week.
44:06
I had actually tried lining her up a year and a half ago when
44:10
Shiny Happy People came out and we did a review on Shiny Happy
44:13
people. We talked through that she had
44:16
some influence in the Gothard movement and I asked her to come
44:20
on and share during that time. She had agreed.
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And then she said, you know, there's some things going on,
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don't feel comfortable at this time.
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And I never pressure anyone to come on anyways.
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And so I said, hey, thanks for thanks for thinking of us and,
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and talk thinking about it and praying about it.
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And so then when her book came out and I reached out to her,
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this was my exponse about my thought of response.
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She's already told me no once. She's not going to tell me no.
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She's going to tell me no again. But I'm going to send her a
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request anyways. And so I was thankful that she
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came home. She shared her story.
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I'm excited about talking more with her.
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I think she's got a lot to to give to our audience.
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And I think she's got a lot to give in just her hurt and trauma
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and abuse that she went through and how she can help others.
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And so excited for that. And I'm thankful for that.
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I'm excited to see where that's going to go and how that
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interview is going to impact other people.
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Oh man, that's a good thing. Yeah, that was a great episode,
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Bridget. I really enjoyed that.
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Yeah. All right.
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Well, Brett, I'm excited about the future.
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We'll be seeing each other in just a couple of weeks and then
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we'll be going down to Nicaragua together to do a pastors
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conference. Lee has been text us while we've
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been recording and so looking forward to that.
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Hopefully you'll come and see us in Florida in just a couple of
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weeks as we're down there and I'll be looking for our summer
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drops of different episodes. But until next time, we're going
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to sign off one last time for the season as we start back in
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August. I believe it'll be August is
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when we start back up. Brett, to God be the glory.
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Great things he has done. Found my new name.
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Found that good grace. Found that healing when the
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tears fell down my face when I found my beginning.
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It has no ending. I found that second chance from
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my best friend, from my biggest. I've been singing ever since I
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