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Sharri | 6 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening Tonight.
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Speaker 3: Business owners fire up at Jacina Allen's working from home laws.
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Speaker 3: Rich O and Michael Kroger will give their verdict. The
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Speaker 3: harbor Bridge protest organizer refuses to call her MUSS a
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Speaker 3: terrorist organization, exposing the truly dark side of this rally,
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Speaker 3: and Penny wog urges or Israel to withdraw from Gaza
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Speaker 3: even before the hostages are home. This is a new
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Speaker 3: low from a morally corrupt government. I'll have my say
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Speaker 3: on this in a moment, and Alex Rifchin will join
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Speaker 3: me a bit later. Plus the plan by America to
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Speaker 3: put nuclear reactors on the Moon while our government won't
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Speaker 3: even consider lifting the ban on nuclear energy.
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Speaker 2: More on that later in the show.
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Speaker 3: First Tonight, bosses were banned from contacting employees after hours
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Speaker 3: in one movie by the Albanese government, and now they
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Speaker 3: can't even tell workers to come into the office. This
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Speaker 3: is the landscape business needs to navigate in a country
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Speaker 3: dominated by left wing labor leaders. And Victorian Premier Jacinta
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Speaker 3: Allan has jumped the shark.
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Speaker 2: She's been dubbed the worst premier in Victoria and this has.
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Speaker 3: Led her to take desperate measures, so eager to win
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Speaker 3: voters over with populist policies, she declared there should be
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Speaker 3: laws to allow employees to work from home and no
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Speaker 3: doubt it'll be popular. Peter Dutton's election policy to encourage
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Speaker 3: public servants back.
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Speaker 2: To the office was electoral suicide.
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Speaker 3: But Allan ignores the fact that small businesses are the
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Speaker 3: backbone of our economy and it's a brutally tough environment
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Speaker 3: already for business. More than one hundred and twenty nine
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Speaker 3: thousand Victorian businesses collapsed last year.
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Speaker 2: The government should.
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Speaker 3: Only be paving the way to make life easier for business,
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Speaker 3: not more difficult. And this new proposed legislation is fraud.
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Speaker 3: The government can't possibly know the requirements of.
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Speaker 2: Each individual business.
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Speaker 3: This law would mean that workers have the legal right
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Speaker 3: to work from home at least two days a week now.
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Speaker 3: Melbourne Lord Mayor Nicholas Reese has previously suggested the precise opposite,
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Speaker 3: that workers should return full time, and he's spoken about
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Speaker 3: supporting CBD small businesses.
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Speaker 4: If you're working at one of our swimming pools, or
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Speaker 4: at a local library and the parks and guards and
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Speaker 4: maternal health center, then you have to turn up at
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Speaker 4: work to do your job, and if you're a bureaucrat
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Speaker 4: working at town Hall, then you should be turning up
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Speaker 4: as well, because we're all one team Melbourne at the city.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just enter. Alan disagrees.
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Speaker 3: If you can do your job from home, We're going
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Speaker 3: to make it you're right, because we're on your side,
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Speaker 3: and the Victorian opposition, not wanting a repeat of Dutton's experience,
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Speaker 3: is left with nowhere to turn but to reluctantly support
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Speaker 3: the policy. Well, Jacinta Allen is not on the side
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Speaker 3: of families who own small businesses, and she's not on
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Speaker 3: the side of doctors, nurses, teachers, construction, hospitality workers, police,
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Speaker 3: paramedics and many others who don't have the luxury of
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Speaker 3: spending the day in their pajamas.
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Speaker 2: At a computer.
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Speaker 3: And aside from the productivity issues, the impact of the
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Speaker 3: economy would also mean fewer customers at cafes, restaurants and
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Speaker 3: other shops. Now, business owners are exasperated. Among those speaking
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Speaker 3: out today includes property developer Tim Gerner, who called the
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Speaker 3: proposed laws madness. He said over the past five years,
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Speaker 3: Victorian businesses, particularly small and medium enterprises, have endured some
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Speaker 3: of the harshest conditions in Australia, from extended lockdowns to
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Speaker 3: soaring costs and declining foot traffic. Interfering to this degree
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Speaker 3: in private enterprise is not just overreach, its economic madness.
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Speaker 3: And it should be up to business to decide what
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Speaker 3: works for them and for their individual staff. And they
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Speaker 3: can discuss the conditions with them, and they're paying employees
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Speaker 3: after all, they should get to decide whether their employees
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Speaker 3: can viably.
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Speaker 2: Work from home or not.
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Speaker 3: But this new policy is typical of a socialist left
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Speaker 3: government that views business as the enemy, not the very
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Speaker 3: foundation of our Australian economy.
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Speaker 2: Now let's turn to the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: Now there's been a noticeable shift in public sentiment and
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Speaker 3: people are starting to turn on Israel. They're blaming Netan
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Speaker 3: Yahoo for the war raging on and for the suffering
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Speaker 3: in Gaza. Now I say to you this, the prevailing
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Speaker 3: view is not always right. It's manipulated by biased media
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Speaker 3: outlets and distortions on social media, and it's also influenced
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Speaker 3: by repeated messages from the federal government that Israel is
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Speaker 3: deliberately starving Palestinian children and that Israel is to blame.
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Speaker 3: And in this instance, the prevailing wisdom, even from intellectual commentators,
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Speaker 3: is absolutely wrong, because it's clearly her mus that has
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Speaker 3: refused to accept numerous ceasefire proposals over many months to
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Speaker 3: end the war. It's her Musk that refuses to sit
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Speaker 3: down to new talks, and it's her Mush that will
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Speaker 3: not release the hostages. Doing so would end the war,
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Speaker 3: and the war from its inception on October seven until.
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Speaker 2: Now does not rage on because of Israel. It's because
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Speaker 2: of Hamas.
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Speaker 3: And this leaves Israel, as I've been saying, in an
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Speaker 3: impossible situation. It can't walk away from the hostages, and
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Speaker 3: nor should it. This would not be morally or politically possible.
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Speaker 3: Israel can't withdraw from Gaza while there are still young
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Speaker 3: hostages dying and terrified in dark tunnels controlled by terrorists.
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Speaker 3: Israel will never give up on its hostages, and no
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Speaker 3: one should ask it to. It would be like leaving
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Speaker 3: innocent people behind in concentration camps. Unimaginable and unforgivable. Yet
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Speaker 3: this is exactly what.
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Speaker 2: Penny Wong is now suggesting.
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Speaker 3: The Australian reports today that Labor is urging Israel to
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Speaker 3: end the war in Gaza before the remaining hostages held
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Speaker 3: by Hamasa returned in a significant move away from its
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Speaker 3: previous cause. For the release of the Israelis to be
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Speaker 3: the priority before a deal was struck to end the
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Speaker 3: conflict and recognize Palestine. And here was Penny One repeating
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Speaker 3: that position in an interview.
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Speaker 1: The government's view is the same as the six hundred
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Speaker 1: former Israeli security officials who have written publicly urging Prome
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Speaker 1: Minister net Yahoo to end the war and making the
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Speaker 1: very important part that the end of the war is
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Speaker 1: the only way to save the hostages.
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Speaker 3: The end of the war is the only way to
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Speaker 3: save the hostages. Pull out of Gaza and then hope
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Speaker 3: that Hermas just decides.
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Speaker 2: To return them.
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Speaker 3: This is a fantasy now, Alex Rifchin, who will be
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Speaker 3: on my show a bit later, he out Pennywong on
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Speaker 3: this today, saying that Israel has a moral obligation to
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Speaker 3: do everything it can diplomatically and militarily to bring home
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Speaker 3: its starved and tortured citizens. He said Pennywong should publicly
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Speaker 3: acknowledge that Hermas had stymiat attempts to negotiate a ceasefire
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Speaker 3: since May, he said, and I quote, Israel accepted the
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Speaker 3: internationally broken ceasefire that would have seen the unfettered flow
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Speaker 3: of eight, the phased return of hostages, and a pathway.
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Speaker 2: To a permanent end to the war.
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Speaker 3: It is unsatisfactory for this material fact to be omitted
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Speaker 3: by Wong giving the false impression that Israel is the
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Speaker 3: barrier to the ceasefire and not Hermas. But it's even
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Speaker 3: worse than misleading or a false impression, because Pennywong's position
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Speaker 3: actually reduces the chance of the hostages being released, and
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Speaker 3: it reduces the chance of a ceasefire deal would end
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Speaker 3: the war. Israel's Foreign Minister, Gideon Sah explained it well.
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Speaker 3: He said that the international community's plans to recognize the
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Speaker 3: Palestinian state sabotaged a ceasefire deal with the Hamas terror group.
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Speaker 5: There are countries that acted also in this building to
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Speaker 5: pressure Israel instead of Hamas during sensitive days in the negotiations.
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Speaker 5: By attacking Israel, campaigning against Israel, and their announcement on
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Speaker 5: a recognition of the virtual Palestinian state, they gave Hamas
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Speaker 5: free gifts and an incentive to continue this war. They
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Speaker 5: directly assassinated the hostage deal and ceasefire. Let me be clear,
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Speaker 5: these countries prolonged the war.
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Speaker 3: I isn't it that the likes of Penny Wang and
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Speaker 3: Keir Starmer, Macron and others have sabotaged the chance of
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Speaker 3: Hamas agreeing to a ceasefire deal which would end Palestinian
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Speaker 3: suffering and.
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Speaker 2: Return the hostages.
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Speaker 3: And here was Greg Sheridan earlier speaking to Steve Price.
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Speaker 3: He pointed out how these international leaders are rewarding terrorism.
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Speaker 6: It's a great reward for Hamas. Hamas can look at
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Speaker 6: every moderate in the Palestinian territory and say, look what
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Speaker 6: you've got. You've got nothing. We went and killed twelve
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Speaker 6: hundred Jews and looked. The world has rewarded us with
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Speaker 6: formal recognition of a Palestinian state. That's what the Albanese
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Speaker 6: government is signing up for in this instance.
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Speaker 3: This is how incompetent and stupid these left wing international
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Speaker 3: leaders are. And they're also increasing anti Semitism, which is dangerous.
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Speaker 2: Here in Australia.
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Speaker 3: And this is how they're doing it because Wang and
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Speaker 3: Albert Easy are giving Australians the false impression that Israel
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Speaker 3: is the barrier to peace and not her Mus And
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Speaker 3: that's why some unthinking Australians marched over the Harbor Bridge.
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Speaker 3: They are ill informed, uneducated and swallowed the harmas propaganda
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Speaker 3: they were fed by our own government. Those protesters should
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Speaker 3: be protesting hermus to end the war, to agree to
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Speaker 3: the ceasefire proposal, to return the hostages. Only these actions
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Speaker 3: would end the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: I know it's not always easy for you at home
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Speaker 3: to stand up to your friends or your colleagues, or
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Speaker 3: other parents and grandparents at school, pickup and call out
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Speaker 3: the false narrative that's taking hold.
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Speaker 2: But we all must do it because the.
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Speaker 3: Narrative is simply not accurate, and the truth is it
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Speaker 3: does we can't walk away from it, and don't ever
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Speaker 3: forget the words of skelet or hostage heavy Tad David's
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Speaker 3: brother on this show last night, after we saw those
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Speaker 3: confronting and distressing images, Elay, his brother last night implored
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Speaker 3: international leaders like Albanesi and Wang not to give up
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Speaker 3: in his brother and the other hostages fifty in total.
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Speaker 7: If he's still alike, is not giving up. He knows
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Speaker 7: that he's coming back home eventually, and I believe it's
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Speaker 7: the same for all the hostages, and he just didn't
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Speaker 7: give up his and if he's not giving up, we
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Speaker 7: can't give up. We can the leaders of this world can't.
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Speaker 3: Now Nada Na who has begged for the Red Cross
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Speaker 3: to deliver food for those hostages, and of course they
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Speaker 3: haven't done it. That hasn't happened. Yeah, Penny Wong now
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Speaker 3: suggests Israel walk away from Evieta. That would mean letting
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Speaker 3: him starve, letting him die, only to be buried in
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Speaker 3: the grave he dug himself.
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Speaker 2: We can't let that happen.
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Speaker 3: Let Ilay's powerful words not to give up on his
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Speaker 3: brother ring in the morally corrupt ears of Wong and Albanisi. Now,
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Speaker 3: the broader point here is the absurd foreign policy position
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Speaker 3: of this Albanesi government. It freely and frequently criticizes Israel
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Speaker 3: and Trump's America in the harshest of terms. Yet Chinese
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Speaker 3: security services are alleged to have ordered a Chinese woman's
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Speaker 3: spy on a Buddhist group in Canberra, and Albanesi and
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Speaker 3: Wong are strangely silent. Now, these are serious allegations of
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Speaker 3: espionage and foreign interference on our s. The ASIO Director General,
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Speaker 3: Mike Burgess has said that this is an appalling assault
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Speaker 3: on Australian values, freedoms and sovereignty, and the AFP warning
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Speaker 3: was just as strong. They said that foreign interference undermines
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Speaker 3: democracy and social cohesion. Yet the Albenzi government is incapable
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Speaker 3: of similar direct language that calls this out and defends
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Speaker 3: our own country.
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Speaker 2: This was as strong as Penny Won would go.
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Speaker 1: I trust China to do what China thinks is in
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Speaker 1: its interests, and I trust Australia to do what's in
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Speaker 1: our interests.
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Speaker 3: The Albenzi government cozies up to our enemies that regularly
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Speaker 3: threaten our way of life, while treating our friends America
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Speaker 3: and Israel who share our values with hostility. The Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister meets with Chinese President she and Palestinian Authority President
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Speaker 3: Mahmud Abbas, but he has no relationship with US President
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump or Israeli Prime Minister Benjaminette Yahoo. Now this
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Speaker 3: speaks to Albanese's private dislike of these men and his
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Speaker 3: reverence for aggressive dictators who kill whistleblowers, murder journalists, and
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Speaker 3: silence free speech. The foreign policy of this government is
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Speaker 3: truly absurd and inexplicable. Now to news that the United
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Speaker 3: States is fast tracking plans to build a nuclear reactor
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Speaker 3: on the moon. Acting NASA Administrator Sean Duffy sent a
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Speaker 3: directive last Thursday where he said to properly advance this
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Speaker 3: critical technology to be able to support a future lunar economy,
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Speaker 3: high power energy generation on Mars, and to strengthen our
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Speaker 3: national security in stid it's imperative the agency move quickly
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Speaker 3: now lunar energy drawn from a nuclear reactor. This would
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Speaker 3: enable permanent basis to be set up on the move,
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Speaker 3: and according to NASA, might even empower Mars. It's stunning
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Speaker 3: innovation from a country that's constantly thinking ahead. Yet in
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Speaker 3: Australia we have a government still hostile to even a
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Speaker 3: discussion about lifting the prohibition on nuclear energy. Albanese's energy
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Speaker 3: policy is so stuck in the dark ages that by
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Speaker 3: the time we're building nuclear modules in Australia, they may
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Speaker 3: very well already be on the Moon, perhaps even powering Mars.
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Speaker 2: That's if we're lucky.
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Speaker 3: Albanese's idea of policy reform is spending taxpayer money on
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Speaker 3: hextet free childcare and even in terror controlled Gaza. And
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Speaker 3: that is the problem with having an average plotter as
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Speaker 3: the Prime minister.
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Speaker 2: All right, so much to talk about tonight.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in now our regular Wednesday panel former Victorian
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party President Michael Kroeger and labor legend Graham Richardson.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you both.
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Speaker 3: I just want to pick up there with that discussion
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Speaker 3: about lunar energy because it's so incredible, rich O. Australia
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Speaker 3: won't even lift the prohibition on nuclear energy, but the
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Speaker 3: US are trying to do it in space on the Moon.
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Speaker 8: What do you think I think we're going to have
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Speaker 8: to lift it. I think there's just no way around that.
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Speaker 8: I know that there are people bitterly opposed to that,
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Speaker 8: but sometimes you've just got to do what the right
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Speaker 8: thing is, and it's pretty obvious what it is in
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Speaker 8: this case.
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Speaker 3: Michael, what do you think about the idea of a
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Speaker 3: nuclear reactor on the moon.
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Speaker 9: Well, to be honest, shry, I don't think about it
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Speaker 9: at all. Quite frankly, what I do think about is
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Speaker 9: your comment, which is that sometimes it's hard for people
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Speaker 9: to stand up for Israel. Let me tell you very clearly,
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Speaker 9: my friend, as a non Jew, I find it very
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Speaker 9: easy to stand up for Israel, thank you. I find
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Speaker 9: the other argument, I think it would be much harder
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Speaker 9: to make the Palestinian argument. They do it brilliantly, by
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Speaker 9: the way, through lies and dishonesty, as we all know.
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Speaker 9: But I don't find it hard at all to stand
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Speaker 9: up for a peaceful democracy that respects human life against
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Speaker 9: the Butcher's murderous regime. And our prime minister wants to
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Speaker 9: meet macmudebass Well, Anthony, this corrupt leader whose we know
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Speaker 9: won't hold elections, who is an incredibly wealthy man and
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Speaker 9: an incredibly wealthy family, who was accused twenty years ago
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Speaker 9: by yes Rafat of stealing millions from the PLO. He
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Speaker 9: doesn't even control the West Bank, I mean Fata I
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Speaker 9: have been run out of the West Bank. Poles showed
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Speaker 9: that ninety percent of people in the West Bank wanting
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Speaker 9: to et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. If we think
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Speaker 9: an eighty nine year old man like him, it will
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Speaker 9: be ninety this year. Is the future of the two
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Speaker 9: state solution, Anthony, You've got another thing coming, my friend.
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Speaker 9: So the profound ignorance of Wong and ALBANUSI is gob smacking.
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Speaker 9: Where is Bob Hawk when you need him?
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Speaker 3: No, I know, and I so appreciate your support on
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Speaker 3: this issue. Michael and yours as well, Richo, because you know,
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Speaker 3: maybe I talk about this more another day, but I
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Speaker 3: tell you what it is getting increasingly lonely in Australia
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Speaker 3: as a Jew. And I won't talk about it now
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Speaker 3: because I get too emotional. But you know it's hard
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Speaker 3: living with a pro Palestinian government.
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Speaker 2: I've got to say that. I'm not going to talk
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Speaker 2: about that now.
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Speaker 3: Let's get both of your positions on Jacinta Allen's working
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Speaker 3: from home policy that I spoke about a bit earlier.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Ritro, this will.
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Speaker 3: Be popular among public servants, but there's no question it'll
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Speaker 3: make life more difficult for business owners.
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Speaker 8: Oh, it's definitely going to a life more difficult for business.
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Speaker 8: This is not a policy I support. I think you
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Speaker 8: just can't force people the way that they are seeking
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Speaker 8: to do here. It's not exactly what i'd call democracy, Michael.
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Speaker 2: It's also a legal minefield.
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Speaker 1: Look it is.
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Speaker 9: But you've got to remember Victoria's bankrupt and lawless and
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Speaker 9: chaotic and Alan can't spend money. So what does she
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Speaker 9: do in a campaign for election? Bring in a policy
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Speaker 9: that won't cost the government any money because she thinks
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Speaker 9: it's popular. Because what happened to the federal result and
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Speaker 9: translate that in Victoria, hoping to win tens of thousands
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Speaker 9: of votes and spring board her into being re elected.
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Speaker 9: The problem is that it offends nurses, It offends trade people, builders, firefighters, policemen,
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Speaker 9: people work in restaurants, people that work in the music scene,
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Speaker 9: any number of people work on a farm. So many
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Speaker 9: occupations where you cannot work from home, and to force
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Speaker 9: employees two days a week, as a number of business
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Speaker 9: leaders said, the Melbourne CBD will be a disaster. It's
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Speaker 9: already struggling to recover from COVID. You take tens of
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Speaker 9: thousands of workers out of Melbourne CBD, well, businesses will
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Speaker 9: close on mass in the city. In Melbourne, restaurants are struggling,
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Speaker 9: cafes are struggling. This is a seemingly populous policy, a
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Speaker 9: desperate policy seeking reelection, and it isn't going to work
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Speaker 9: even if you can get it passed into law.
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Speaker 3: Well, the law's not going to work, but it might
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Speaker 3: work in terms of helping her get re elected. Richo,
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Speaker 3: I know you're in New South Welles, not Victoria like
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Speaker 3: Michael is, but I mean, do you think the opposition
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Speaker 3: in Victoria has a chance next year at the election, No,
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Speaker 3: not really.
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Speaker 8: I think they might get a bit closer, but no,
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Speaker 8: I don't believe that they've got a real chance of winning.
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Speaker 3: No, it's so hard to think that it's going to
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Speaker 3: be that Labor could get in again, given not just
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Speaker 3: the budget position but the crime wave in Melbourne very quickly, Michael,
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Speaker 3: I mean crime is now affecting regular families on a
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Speaker 3: weekly basis.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Victoria's basically laws. I mean fire bombings are a
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Speaker 9: regular thing here, macheti attacks. You know, crime is out
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Speaker 9: of gang's crimes, out of control, and there's not much
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Speaker 9: the government can do about it. Because the growth that
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Speaker 9: will be three hundred billion in a few years, they
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Speaker 9: can't really afford to employ more police. They're about to
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Speaker 9: sack three to six thousand public servants because we're going
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Speaker 9: broke here. So it's going to get worse.
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Speaker 7: All right.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's turn to this series of exposes in the
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Speaker 3: Australian newspaper by Paul Garvey. He's been reporting on how
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Speaker 3: Andrew Forrest has been receiving staggering amounts of government subsidies
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Speaker 3: for green energy projects, by the way, some.
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Speaker 2: Of which have failed.
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Speaker 3: So in total Twiggy, who you wouldn't have thought needs
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Speaker 3: government subsidies, but yet his companies have received almost one
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Speaker 3: hundred and ninety million dollars in grants. This is very
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Speaker 3: embarrassing for Twiggy. I mean Richard, as I said, this
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Speaker 3: is despite the failure of projects like the Queensland Hydrogen Electrolyzer.
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Speaker 3: Why should his projects have been given so much government
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Speaker 3: funding one hundred and ninety million.
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Speaker 8: I think it's crazy. I don't think you can you
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Speaker 8: can justify it on any level. It's an extraordinary fact
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Speaker 8: that he has received so much large yess, you know,
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Speaker 8: it's not as if this blokes down on his last
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Speaker 8: dollar and can't afford to put a sausage on the table.
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Speaker 8: I think he's I think he's probably doing it better
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Speaker 8: than most of us exactly.
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Speaker 3: And Michael, if these were such good ideas, shouldn't they
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Speaker 3: just be allowed to stand on their own two feet
23:46
Speaker 3: instead of receiving government grants?
23:50
Speaker 10: Sure?
23:51
Speaker 9: Well, the answer is we don't know whether they're grants,
23:53
Speaker 9: are they loans? Are they convertible to equity? Are they equity?
23:57
Speaker 9: What are the terms and conditions? The public never knows
23:59
Speaker 9: this stuff because of commercial and confidence. So the public
24:02
Speaker 9: really don't know what they're funding or on terms in
24:04
Speaker 9: which they're funding. And my general proposition is this, in
24:08
Speaker 9: this age where we've got a severe budget crisis in Australia, right,
24:12
Speaker 9: severe budget crisis, why do we keep pumping tens of
24:15
Speaker 9: billions of dollars into these venture capital schemes which should
24:19
Speaker 9: be the remit of the private sector or alternative or alternatively,
24:23
Speaker 9: let's let people, let the Chinese, let the Japanese, let
24:27
Speaker 9: the Koreans and the Germans spend their government's money on
24:31
Speaker 9: these schemes and if they're successful, you know, then you
24:35
Speaker 9: copy them. We should do what the pharmaceutical industry do,
24:37
Speaker 9: which use startups as incubators. If the products are successful,
24:42
Speaker 9: big farmer then goes and buys them. But they basically
24:45
Speaker 9: use small pharmaceutical startups as as free venture capital. That's
24:49
Speaker 9: what Australia should do. We might strike it lucky, but
24:53
Speaker 9: let's the Koreans and the Japanese and the Germans spend
24:56
Speaker 9: their billions and let's just keep our powder dry and
24:59
Speaker 9: buy the expertise from and then if it works, rather
25:01
Speaker 9: than plunder the national bank with billions of dollars, much
25:05
Speaker 9: of which goes.
25:06
Speaker 3: Down the drain or as you said, just leave it
25:08
Speaker 3: up to the private market. I mean, if it's such
25:10
Speaker 3: a good idea, it should be profitable on its own
25:12
Speaker 3: two feet. And you know, I think the government needs
25:15
Speaker 3: to explain why it's given a billionaire so much money.
25:19
Speaker 3: And given those schemes have now failed, is Twigger going
25:21
Speaker 3: to pay it back? Well, you should pay it back,
25:23
Speaker 3: that's for sure.
25:24
Speaker 1: All right.
25:25
Speaker 3: Good Joe, Michael Kroger, great to see you as always.
25:27
Speaker 2: In a Wednesday.
25:30
Speaker 3: Now, speaking of pharmaceutical products, Donald Trump has warned that
25:33
Speaker 3: tariffs on Australian pharmaceuticals could be coming in the next
25:37
Speaker 3: week or so.
25:39
Speaker 10: But on pharmaceuticals, we'll be putting a initially small tariff
25:44
Speaker 10: on pharmaceuticals, but in one year one and a half
25:47
Speaker 10: year's maximum, it's going to go to one hundred and
25:51
Speaker 10: fifty percent, and then it's going to go to two
25:53
Speaker 10: hundred and fifty percent because we want pharmaceuticals made in
25:57
Speaker 10: our country.
25:59
Speaker 3: Joining me now, Nash Deputy Leader and Shadow Trade Minister
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Speaker 3: Kevin Hogan.
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Speaker 2: Kevin, good to see you again.
26:04
Speaker 3: So how much will this impact on Australia given the
26:07
Speaker 3: US imports more than two billion dollars worth of Australian
26:11
Speaker 3: pharmaceuticals every year.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, we'll Schary.
26:15
Speaker 11: This hauld be a big blow to our pharmaceutical industry.
26:18
Speaker 11: When we did the free trade agreement with the US
26:20
Speaker 11: twenty years ago when we were in government, we carved
26:22
Speaker 11: out the PBS as a system of an important part
26:25
Speaker 11: of our healthcare system, which the US respected.
26:28
Speaker 10: So there's an.
26:28
Speaker 11: Acknowledgment within the free trade agreement that works. But Sharry,
26:32
Speaker 11: this again highlights we had the beef issue last week
26:35
Speaker 11: with the hopefully we haven't compromised our biosecurity pharmaceuticals this week.
26:41
Speaker 11: This highlights our Prime minister has still yet to secure
26:46
Speaker 11: a meeting with Trump. The tariff ishoes important, there's national
26:50
Speaker 11: security issues that are important. He has shown very little
26:53
Speaker 11: motivation to do this and we're seeing the ramifications of
26:56
Speaker 11: it and it's not good enough.
26:58
Speaker 3: I spoke a bit earlier about the Albanesi government's muted
27:02
Speaker 3: response to the news that a Chinese woman was charged
27:06
Speaker 3: with allegations of reckless foreign interference on Australian soil. What
27:11
Speaker 3: do you think Albanesi and Wong should have done? What
27:13
Speaker 3: should they have said to the Chinese leadership?
27:19
Speaker 11: Well, again who knows what they said, Chari, But I mean, firstly,
27:21
Speaker 11: let's congratulate and thank the AFP ASO. We see this
27:25
Speaker 11: foreign interference and with all due respect, not just from China,
27:27
Speaker 11: from other countries from time to time. So they've done
27:30
Speaker 11: good work, you know, to find this, to prosecute this,
27:34
Speaker 11: and to charge this person, which is important. But show
27:37
Speaker 11: we just saw and again I think the fact that
27:40
Speaker 11: the Prime Minister went to China is good. They're an
27:41
Speaker 11: important trading partner. But we just saw him go for
27:44
Speaker 11: what i've deemed a working holiday for six days.
27:48
Speaker 10: Now.
27:49
Speaker 11: Did he raise these sensitive issues with the Chinese premiere?
27:53
Speaker 11: Did he raise you know where we do have differences
27:56
Speaker 11: of opinion? Did he raise these type of security issues?
27:58
Speaker 11: I hope so we won't know, but these are the
28:01
Speaker 11: tough conversations you need, you know, a good leader to have,
28:04
Speaker 11: and I hope he has had them.
28:06
Speaker 3: But do you agree that their response publicly was too
28:09
Speaker 3: soft and that it also lacked transparency that we don't
28:12
Speaker 3: know at which level it was raised if it was raised.
28:16
Speaker 11: Yeah, well look again I would have hoped. I mean,
28:18
Speaker 11: you know, again, I respect that some of these conversations
28:21
Speaker 11: are going to be behind closed doors and I respect
28:23
Speaker 11: that process. But you know, even again today, as you said,
28:26
Speaker 11: there's been muted response to this. But if you would
28:30
Speaker 11: think that.
28:30
Speaker 3: If you were in government, would you have acted differently,
28:32
Speaker 3: would you have come out publicly and called out this
28:36
Speaker 3: foreign interference, Well, I certainly.
28:39
Speaker 11: Would have been coming out and thanking the AFP and
28:41
Speaker 11: as for the good work that they've done, and that's
28:43
Speaker 11: happened in the past.
28:44
Speaker 3: When China'd been calling out China.
28:49
Speaker 11: But no, but there's also been you know, I've been
28:51
Speaker 11: involved in meetings with you know, within leadership with the
28:53
Speaker 11: coalition when the Chinese President k or the Chinese Prime
28:57
Speaker 11: Minister came out and we had you know, we had
28:58
Speaker 11: conversations with him about stuff, and I found Peter dutt't
29:01
Speaker 11: very good with that. Actually it was good. You know,
29:03
Speaker 11: we want a good relationship with China. We have a
29:06
Speaker 11: trading relationship. We think that's important. But there's going to
29:09
Speaker 11: be times, Shari that we're going to rub each other
29:12
Speaker 11: the wrong way and things have got to be called out.
29:14
Speaker 11: And I was in a meeting with Peter Dun't well,
29:15
Speaker 11: I thought he did that very well. Had difficult conversations
29:18
Speaker 11: with respect that had to call things out and that
29:20
Speaker 11: has to be done.
29:21
Speaker 2: All right, Just.
29:23
Speaker 3: Before you go, the much hyped Productivity round Table kicks
29:26
Speaker 3: off in August nineteenth of August. There are reports that
29:30
Speaker 3: now that it's unlikely to lead to major reform, concern
29:34
Speaker 3: that it's just going to be about deregulation, which is important,
29:38
Speaker 3: but that that would be the extent of it. Are
29:40
Speaker 3: you open to considering or was a coalition open to
29:42
Speaker 3: considering the ideas from the Productivity round Table?
29:47
Speaker 11: Well, look our shadow treasures going Teed O'Brian's going to
29:51
Speaker 11: this roundtable. But look, Shari, my prediction on this, this
29:55
Speaker 11: is a spin Jim Jim Chalmers pr event. The names changed,
29:59
Speaker 11: the invite a tight Now there's more people coming. They
30:02
Speaker 11: had one of these, Remember they had something like this
30:04
Speaker 11: after the twenty two election, Shari, where they had a
30:07
Speaker 11: big economic summit. What got decided that what's happened since then,
30:10
Speaker 11: productivity's fallen through the floor to twenty year lows eighty
30:13
Speaker 11: percent of jobs in Australia since they've coming to government
30:16
Speaker 11: and public service or government jobs. So that's what's happened
30:19
Speaker 11: from their first big economic roundtable. I'm holding nothing out
30:22
Speaker 11: from this new one except I think showing what we
30:24
Speaker 11: can predict is they're going to be raising some sort
30:27
Speaker 11: of taxes. We've got the superannuation tax, they're going to
30:29
Speaker 11: do on unrealized gains. I think there'll be this idea
30:33
Speaker 11: let's raise taxes somewhere else for businesses and families, which
30:36
Speaker 11: is not a good idea.
30:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is indeed the concern. Kevin, thank you so much,
30:39
Speaker 3: appreciate your time. And there was also that Kevin O
30:42
Speaker 3: seventh Summit. I went to it as a reporter at
30:44
Speaker 3: the time, long time ago. That was more filled with
30:47
Speaker 3: celebrities than anyone with serious ideas. Right still to come,
30:51
Speaker 3: how farmers are being bribed with full time salaries to
30:54
Speaker 3: live next to wind farms, and how the Harbor Bridge
30:58
Speaker 3: protest organizer refuse to call her muss a terror group.
31:02
Speaker 2: That fiery interview next welcome back. Now.
31:10
Speaker 3: There may have been a lot of familiar faces on
31:12
Speaker 3: the Harbor Bridge on Sunday, but not all known for
31:16
Speaker 3: the right reasons. Chris Kenny reported on Monday that Shaik
31:19
Speaker 3: Da Dune was also in the crowd of the protest.
31:22
Speaker 3: Now you remember him from this moment. On October eight, fall,
31:39
Speaker 3: the day after the massacre, in Israel and here he
31:43
Speaker 3: was at the harbor Bridge rally.
31:46
Speaker 10: We have the chef running the door.
31:49
Speaker 3: How are you finding it?
31:50
Speaker 12: I said, that's absolutely pack rop numbers look left right
31:54
Speaker 12: sometimes all people coming from all around Australia support.
31:57
Speaker 13: I run the asters and this is very heart homing.
31:59
Speaker 10: Tell me about the crowd.
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Speaker 1: The crowd's incredible.
32:02
Speaker 13: They've got a lot of energy.
32:03
Speaker 12: Everyone here wants to see the end of starvation. They
32:06
Speaker 12: want to see the end of design this entity committing
32:08
Speaker 12: the atrocities in their war crime. They're down on the
32:10
Speaker 12: harbor Bridge or Iconic Day when we are protesting, we're
32:15
Speaker 12: marching for humanity.
32:17
Speaker 10: Yep.
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Speaker 2: So a nice, peaceful crowd there. And the organizer of
32:22
Speaker 2: that protest, Josh.
32:23
Speaker 3: Lees, did an interview with two GB host at Michael
32:26
Speaker 3: McClaren this afternoon, where he repeatedly refused to describe HERMAS
32:32
Speaker 3: as a terror group.
32:35
Speaker 9: I'm interested to know if you view her MASS as
32:38
Speaker 9: a terrorist organization or a group of freedom fighters.
32:42
Speaker 10: Well, look, I mean I don't particularly want this story
32:45
Speaker 10: to be about me.
32:45
Speaker 14: If you can still answer that question pretty straightforward question, Well,
32:48
Speaker 14: that's straightforward.
32:49
Speaker 9: I understand the context, but you can still answer the question.
32:51
Speaker 15: Yeah, well, what we've said is that actually what's happening
32:54
Speaker 15: in Gaza is not about Hermas.
32:57
Speaker 3: He asked him so many times. Now, that is the
33:00
Speaker 3: protest that Alban Easy and others have praised.
33:03
Speaker 2: It's just a poor league. Well to discuss.
33:06
Speaker 3: Executive Counsel of Australian Jury CEO Alex Rifchin joins me. Now, Alex,
33:11
Speaker 3: great to see you again. Now these are some of
33:14
Speaker 3: the people who marched on Sunday. Yet media outlets and
33:17
Speaker 3: politicians are saying that it wasn't offensive to.
33:20
Speaker 2: The Jewish community and that it was peaceful protest for humanity.
33:25
Speaker 2: What's your response to this?
33:27
Speaker 13: Well, I think the standards are so low and the
33:29
Speaker 13: expectations so low after nearly two years of these protests,
33:32
Speaker 13: and obviously what Shaik the Dune said as the horrors
33:37
Speaker 13: unfolding what we saw at the Oppera House steps, we
33:40
Speaker 13: frequently seen attached on police support for terrorist organizations, terrorist leaders,
33:45
Speaker 13: death chance. All of this is part and parcel of
33:49
Speaker 13: these protests. It has been for so long now that
33:51
Speaker 13: I think when you compare that to what happened on
33:53
Speaker 13: Harble Bridge, it probably was largely peaceful. But when you
33:57
Speaker 13: probe deeper, and you look at the sentiments to people
34:00
Speaker 13: were there, You look at the views that were expressed,
34:02
Speaker 13: and I've spoken in journalists who marched with the crowd
34:05
Speaker 13: and conducted interviews with many many people to gauge their views.
34:08
Speaker 13: There was a lot of support for peace and co existence.
34:10
Speaker 13: There there was support for the destruction of Israel in
34:13
Speaker 13: one way or another. And I think we need to
34:16
Speaker 13: debunk this notion that's emerged from Israeli that this was
34:18
Speaker 13: some great coming together of Middle Australia or a turning point,
34:23
Speaker 13: or that the people who were there signified a much
34:25
Speaker 13: larger movement in Australia. That really wasn't the case. I
34:27
Speaker 13: think what we saw on that day was a large gathering,
34:30
Speaker 13: no doubt, but I think this is it. I think
34:32
Speaker 13: this is large of the extent of down to Israel
34:34
Speaker 13: movement in this country, and because of the enormously high
34:38
Speaker 13: profile of this event, because of the Men's government rejecting
34:41
Speaker 13: them in the court action, wall to war, media coverage
34:44
Speaker 13: and the days leading up to it, the fact that
34:46
Speaker 13: it was the Harbor Bridge, I think it drew all
34:49
Speaker 13: of the pro or great proportion of probe palaisting and
34:52
Speaker 13: activist antis reactivists in this country.
34:55
Speaker 3: Now, if there were ordinary Australians there, and I take
34:59
Speaker 3: your point, I agree with you that mostly Middle Australia
35:03
Speaker 3: wasn't there, but perhaps the few that were, they would
35:06
Speaker 3: have been motivated to join by claims that Israel is
35:09
Speaker 3: deliberately starving Palestinian children. There are now serious questions over
35:14
Speaker 3: the authenticity of some of the images coming out of Gaza.
35:17
Speaker 3: We know about the New York Times image that was cropped,
35:20
Speaker 3: it cropped out the healthy looking child, and then overnight
35:23
Speaker 3: the news that the famous photograph and vision of starving
35:27
Speaker 3: Palestinian children was actually staged by a Gazan photographer. So
35:35
Speaker 3: and we can look at that there, that's it being
35:37
Speaker 3: staged there, and it was on the cover of Time magazine,
35:39
Speaker 3: I mean, Alex. In some cases it seems the truth
35:43
Speaker 3: has been replaced by propaganda.
35:46
Speaker 13: It's always been this way in this conflict show. And
35:49
Speaker 13: I think back to the words of Yes that's head
35:52
Speaker 13: of security in the nineteen seventy is a man by
35:54
Speaker 13: the name of Abu Yad, and he considered, after the
35:57
Speaker 13: Onkeiper war in as Weel as victoring the war that
35:59
Speaker 13: Israel could not be defeated by force, but he said
36:02
Speaker 13: that if we can change public opinion in the West,
36:05
Speaker 13: the collapse of Zionism is just a matter of time.
36:08
Speaker 13: And this sort of carefully calibrated propaganda of time and
36:11
Speaker 13: time again is really the key currency of this propaganda war.
36:16
Speaker 13: We saw during the second thing too Farda, when there
36:18
Speaker 13: were again huge hyperbolic claims of massacres engine in over
36:24
Speaker 13: five hundred people killed, when it turns out that were
36:27
Speaker 13: twenty five people killed, and these lives are rapidly picked
36:30
Speaker 13: up by compliant NGOs, by UN agencies, by supine journalists
36:35
Speaker 13: who don't question the facts and accept this narrative un critically,
36:39
Speaker 13: and it feeds into this view of Israel being absolutely
36:42
Speaker 13: which then of course affects relations with Israel and perceptions
36:46
Speaker 13: of the Jewish community around the world. And Israel is
36:48
Speaker 13: then put in an impossible position because no matter what
36:50
Speaker 13: it does, it is maligned and slandered and villainized in
36:54
Speaker 13: this way. But I think that comes to the point
36:56
Speaker 13: where Israel has to say, to hell with what the
36:58
Speaker 13: world thinks, to do what it needs to do it and
37:01
Speaker 13: has to do what accords with its own morality. It
37:03
Speaker 13: should do things which are good and just not because
37:06
Speaker 13: of what it means the world, but that's because what
37:08
Speaker 13: its values dictate. That's why it should act them that way.
37:12
Speaker 3: Well said Alex, I also want to get your response
37:14
Speaker 3: to the Albanezi government's new position that Israel should withdraw
37:19
Speaker 3: from Gaza before the hostages a home, before the hostage
37:24
Speaker 3: is a home.
37:26
Speaker 13: I have to think that the Foreign Minister misspoke or
37:30
Speaker 13: was perhaps a mischaracterized and what you said, because there's
37:32
Speaker 13: no conceivable way that the government could have shifted in
37:35
Speaker 13: its policy away from a ceasefire to now saying that
37:39
Speaker 13: Israel should, you know, aaterally withdraw from Gaza and the
37:42
Speaker 13: war in reliance on what on the goodwill of Hamasa
37:46
Speaker 13: then released the hostages. I mean that that's a delusion,
37:48
Speaker 13: it's a fantasy, which again I can't hold to be
37:52
Speaker 13: the view of this government. That would just be absurd
37:55
Speaker 13: to the extreme. But I do agree with Penny Wong's
37:58
Speaker 13: words that the best way to get the hostages home
38:01
Speaker 13: is through a diplomatic outcome, and I think we've seen
38:03
Speaker 13: over the course of the war that ceasefires have offered
38:06
Speaker 13: the best prospect of getting as many hostages home as possible,
38:09
Speaker 13: and that's all we want to see. But there is
38:11
Speaker 13: a reality which the poem Minister seems to again emit,
38:14
Speaker 13: and that is the fact that since the end of
38:16
Speaker 13: may Hamas has refused any ceasefire proposals broken by the
38:21
Speaker 13: United States and other international partners, Israel has accepted those,
38:25
Speaker 13: and so Israel is therefore left with absolutely no choice.
38:28
Speaker 13: Israel has not only the right, but the moral obligation
38:31
Speaker 13: the duty to do whatever it can to rescue the
38:34
Speaker 13: fifty citizens of its country held in the most barbaric
38:39
Speaker 13: conditions imaginable. These are the most starving and suffering people
38:43
Speaker 13: in the face of the earth today, and they need
38:44
Speaker 13: to be brought home. And if it's not going to
38:46
Speaker 13: be through diplomacy, then it has to be through force.
38:48
Speaker 3: There's no other way, absolutely, and I agree, I hope
38:52
Speaker 3: it is through diplomacy, although it seems like Amus is
38:55
Speaker 3: entirely walked away from talks at this point.
38:57
Speaker 2: Just finally, Alex, you said at an event we.
39:00
Speaker 3: Did together for the Hebrew University on Sunday night that
39:04
Speaker 3: a two state solution is morally correct, but right now
39:09
Speaker 3: practically impossible. A long conversation, but can you briefly expound
39:14
Speaker 3: on that for us?
39:15
Speaker 13: I've always believed in a two state solution. It's been
39:18
Speaker 13: by partners in the Australian government policy for many years
39:21
Speaker 13: and the policy of my organization, Executive Council of Australian Jury,
39:25
Speaker 13: and it's based on the reality on the ground that
39:28
Speaker 13: was observed by the UN Special Committee on Palestine in
39:31
Speaker 13: nineteen forty seven that found that the differences between the
39:34
Speaker 13: two people's were irreconcilable. And it's said that no matter
39:37
Speaker 13: what the historical origins of the conflict and the rights
39:40
Speaker 13: and wrongs, there are two distinct peoples in the land
39:43
Speaker 13: with completely different concepts of the future and political arrangements,
39:47
Speaker 13: and to give effect to their rights, you need two
39:49
Speaker 13: states for two peoples. But at some point in time
39:52
Speaker 13: one must conceive that a theory which is incapable of
39:55
Speaker 13: being implemented is of no utility whatsoever, a theory of
40:00
Speaker 13: the cup be implemented as utterly worthless. And we've seen
40:03
Speaker 13: over the last eighty years, at every single turn, whether
40:06
Speaker 13: it be nineteen forty seven when the Partition Plan was adopted,
40:09
Speaker 13: whether it be nineteen seventy nine when Egypt broke the
40:12
Speaker 13: Arab consensus of constant war with Israel, the Oslo process,
40:17
Speaker 13: the unilatial withdrawal from Gaza. All of these moments presented
40:20
Speaker 13: an opportunity for the Palcines to grab the opportunity for
40:24
Speaker 13: a two stay solution and negotiating to the conflict. And
40:27
Speaker 13: instead they ramped up the violence, and they caused more
40:29
Speaker 13: bloodshed and more terror and more horror. And so the
40:33
Speaker 13: fact that our government, now knowing this history, is embarking
40:37
Speaker 13: not on a negotiated two stet solution, but seeking to
40:41
Speaker 13: circumvent that and declare a Palestinian state, I think it's brazen.
40:46
Speaker 13: I think it's foolish, and it's contrary to history and
40:48
Speaker 13: common sense, and I think it's going to end in tears.
40:51
Speaker 3: All right, Alex, thank you very much as always for
40:53
Speaker 3: your insights. Really appreciate you joining us. Still to come
40:57
Speaker 3: that a labor prepares to hand over original content of
41:00
Speaker 3: artists and creatives to big texts. This is sparking a
41:03
Speaker 3: major controversy. Class farmers bribed with payments of up to
41:07
Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars to live near wind farms.
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Speaker 2: That's coming up.
41:15
Speaker 3: Welcome back and joining MINOW the Institute of Public Affairs
41:18
Speaker 3: Research Fellow Saxon Davidson, Great to see Saxon. And now
41:22
Speaker 3: James Willis in the Daily Telegraph reports today that farmers
41:25
Speaker 3: are being offered fifty thousand dollars per year to live
41:29
Speaker 3: near wind farms Saxon. What are the ethics of payments
41:33
Speaker 3: like this, you know, as there are these tensions emerging
41:36
Speaker 3: over land.
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Speaker 14: It's completely unethical in my opinion, these types of bribes.
41:44
Speaker 14: All they seek to do is so division in regional communities.
41:47
Speaker 14: And this is something with the IPA of Witness when
41:49
Speaker 14: we've done our regional tours throughout regional Australia into the
41:53
Speaker 14: communities that are most affected by these wind and solar
41:56
Speaker 14: factories and transmission lines. All these payments do is seek
41:59
Speaker 14: to divide people into groups of people who don't mind
42:03
Speaker 14: being paid to live near these wind factories and people
42:07
Speaker 14: who do very much mind. And this really affects regional
42:10
Speaker 14: Australia hard because regional Australians rely and know their neighbors
42:14
Speaker 14: a lot more than what people in the inner city do.
42:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tricky one, isn't it, And especially because
42:20
Speaker 3: farmers have been doing it so tough, someone might be
42:24
Speaker 3: thinking they have no option but to accept that sort
42:26
Speaker 3: of payment. I also want to ask you about how
42:28
Speaker 3: some of the green energy companies are blowing out their
42:31
Speaker 3: brud their budgets and some of the projects, in particular
42:34
Speaker 3: the state's Central West Iran a renewable energy zone. It's
42:38
Speaker 3: now forecast to cost more than five and a half
42:41
Speaker 3: billion dollars saxon. The original projection was six hundred and
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Speaker 3: fifty million dollars.
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Speaker 2: And you'd expect what.
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Speaker 3: Tax pays and electricity customers will be footing the bill.
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Speaker 14: For this, Oh, you could only expect.
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Speaker 13: So.
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Speaker 14: The renewable net zero industry is the biggest example of
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Speaker 14: crony capitalism here in Australia, in which the costs of
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Speaker 14: all of it is socialized via higher power bills and
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Speaker 14: massive amounts of subsidies and tax breaks and loopholes, and
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Speaker 14: which the benefits of it are highly privatized to the
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Speaker 14: benefit of a select few billionaires who are invested in
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Speaker 14: the into renewable energy and the net zero transition. And
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Speaker 14: it's completely unethical in my opinion, considering that we as Australians,
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Speaker 14: as I said before, we'll pay through it through our
43:27
Speaker 14: tax dollars, but also our power bills will just continue
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Speaker 14: to go up and up as they have ever since
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Speaker 14: the mass expansion of renewables we've seen over the past
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Speaker 14: decade or so.
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Speaker 3: Can you tell us about the research your organization, the
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Speaker 3: IPA did into how many jobs might be at risk
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Speaker 3: by net zero?
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Speaker 14: Of course, so theyre are about six hundred and thirty
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Speaker 14: thousand jobs direct jobs at risk due to the policy
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Speaker 14: of net zero by twenty fifty and sixteen of the
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Speaker 14: twenty most affected electorates by the jobs lost to net
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Speaker 14: zero are held by the Coalition, and only one of
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Speaker 14: the least twenty affected seats are held by the Coalition.
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Speaker 14: This paper is an update to one we did in
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Speaker 14: twenty twenty one, in which the most affected seats held
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Speaker 14: by coalition members has remained stagnant in the past four
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Speaker 14: years since the Coalition adopted the policy, but the number
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Speaker 14: of seats by least affected. The number of seats help
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Speaker 14: by the Coalition in which are least affected has dropped
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Speaker 14: from twelve in twenty twenty one to one in twenty
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Speaker 14: twenty five.
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Speaker 11: Which is refutes the myth.
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Speaker 3: What sort of jobs are these mostly that are being
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Speaker 3: that you project will be lost because of net zero?
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Speaker 14: These are jobs in mining, manufacturing, agriculture, part of in
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Speaker 14: part of the electricity market. These are jobs which are
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Speaker 14: directly affected and are directly impacted by emission reduction mandates
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Speaker 14: through high emission industries in high emission projects from coal
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Speaker 14: mines to coal power station, to gas projects to iron
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Speaker 14: or nickel copper rare Earth's critical minerals. These are in
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Speaker 14: jobs in a wind rage of industries. And this projection
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Speaker 14: is actually undercounter because it doesn't it doesn't account for
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Speaker 14: the amount of indirect jobs in communities which have these
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Speaker 14: jobs in high emission industries, and it doesn't account for
45:21
Speaker 14: the people working in cafes and communities where people will
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Speaker 14: have to move away from because those jobs are no
45:26
Speaker 14: longer there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Sax and Davidson, thank you so much
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Speaker 3: for sharing that with us. Now coming up and uproar
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Speaker 3: from artists, authors and creatives as labor plans to give
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Speaker 3: a big tech access to.
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Speaker 2: Copyright Australian content. That's next.
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Speaker 3: Giving AI a license to eat up Australian artists. Well
45:49
Speaker 3: that was the front page headline on the Australian Today.
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Speaker 3: Author and journalist Caroline Overington explained it, Well.
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Speaker 16: You own your copyright and that's a little bit inconvenient
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Speaker 16: for these big American companies they would like you to share,
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Speaker 16: but by share they don't mean pay, they mean take.
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Speaker 3: And let's bringing now technology expert Trevor Long. Trevor, great
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Speaker 3: to see you. Now, what are the concerns here from
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Speaker 3: so many Australian creatives and authors.
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Speaker 15: Look, the problem here is that you normally get paid
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Speaker 15: for someone to lose or license your content in any way,
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Speaker 15: shape or form, often just for display, let alone. You know,
46:31
Speaker 15: to purchase a book to obtain knowledge, You normally buy
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Speaker 15: a book and you read it. But what we're talking
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Speaker 15: about here is AI tech companies being able to just
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Speaker 15: soak up the knowledge of Australia with the government's permission
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Speaker 15: and not pay a fee at all to the people
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Speaker 15: that created that content. And it's a real precedent that
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Speaker 15: could be challenging for the creative industry.
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Speaker 3: It's been shocking that the Albanezer government appears to have
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Speaker 3: agreed to this already. I mean, big tech should be
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Speaker 3: able to pay for original content produced in Australia, shouldn't it.
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Speaker 15: We're not talking about some little startup that's created this
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Speaker 15: cool thing called AI. We are talking about the biggest
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Speaker 15: tech companies in the world, Microsoft, Facebook, Google, Open, AI
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Speaker 15: with CHATCHBT. They are loaded with money and they are
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Speaker 15: earning more money by the day.
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Speaker 12: They can afford this.
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Speaker 15: What they don't want to do is pay for it,
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Speaker 15: because if it sets a precedent here, then globally there'll
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Speaker 15: be a challenge for them. And it raises questions about
47:29
Speaker 15: the knowledge that these systems already have. Where did it
47:31
Speaker 15: come from, how did it learn the information that it have,
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Speaker 15: And that's a real challenge for society generally, whether it's
47:38
Speaker 15: the open Internet or closed off parts of creative society
47:42
Speaker 15: like copyrighted content. And so I think big tech needs
47:46
Speaker 15: to be looked at here. And the idea of just
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Speaker 15: giving them free rate and not having regulation, while it
47:51
Speaker 15: would foster an AI industry here, we have to do
47:54
Speaker 15: that cautiously and make sure that we're not hindering other
47:57
Speaker 15: industries like the creative arts.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and no doubt going to be a big campaign
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Speaker 3: over this. Yere in Australia. Now, Trevor Mosa is keen
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Speaker 3: to ask you this story is gone global. Kamala Harris
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Speaker 3: was refused. Says she refuses to wear wireless earphones. She
48:11
Speaker 3: cites security concerns.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: She made these comments on a late night comedy show.
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Speaker 3: But is there any truth to what she's saying, because
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Speaker 3: she's effectively saying she can be spied on if she
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Speaker 3: wears wireless if anyone wears wireless earphones, she says on.
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Speaker 15: The train, yeah, I think she might be reading the
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Speaker 15: wrong books or listening to the wrong podcasts herself. Wireless
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Speaker 15: headphones are a one to one connection from your device
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Speaker 15: to the headphones, and it would take a lot for
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Speaker 15: them to be initiated into someone else's ears. So rest easy,
48:46
Speaker 15: people on the train, the bus, or wherever you are.
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Speaker 15: There's no one listening in and Kamala Harris probably just
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Speaker 15: needs to take a step back and enjoy the enjoy
48:54
Speaker 15: the podcast or the music for herself.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: She says that she was on the House Intelligence Committee
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Speaker 3: in the United States and that this is what she implies,
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Speaker 3: that's what she was told on the intelligence committees that
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Speaker 3: perhaps for the everyday person, no one's listening and or spying.
49:08
Speaker 3: But perhaps if you do hold classified state secrets and
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Speaker 3: maybe don't use wireless headphones, could there be any basis
49:15
Speaker 3: in that.
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Speaker 15: I mean, look, I think it's probably the same as
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Speaker 15: you know, the government not being on TikTok and things
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Speaker 15: with their own government phones. Yeah, for the sake of caution,
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Speaker 15: absolutely do that. But there's been no recorded case of
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Speaker 15: a Bluetooth device being intercepted in any way, or Bluetooth
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Speaker 15: transmission being intercepted in any way, So it does feel
49:37
Speaker 15: a little bit like the edge case scenario.
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Speaker 2: It's funny.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this was her first media appearance, her first
49:44
Speaker 3: interview since she lost the presidential election, and this is
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Speaker 3: a takeout from it that has gone global and everyone's
49:50
Speaker 3: now worried about whether they can wear their wireless phones
49:53
Speaker 3: or not, or whether someone might be listening. And I think,
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Speaker 3: as you say, for the average present thereby, right, Trevor,
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Speaker 3: thank you very much for your time, and thanks everyone
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Speaker 3: for your company.
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Speaker 2: Tonight.
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Speaker 3: We're back tomorrow, of course at eight o'clock, another big show.
50:06
Speaker 3: So much going on at the moment, too much, that's
50:08
Speaker 3: depressing news. We'll try to find some happier things to
50:11
Speaker 3: talk about, but right now, here's poor Murray in the
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Speaker 3: man Cave.