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Super Bowl Preview? - Buffalo Bills vs Detroit Lions in week 15 | DC · Disguised Coverage

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Speaker 1: to dive into the Buffalo Bills versus Detroit Lions matchup
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Speaker 1: in Week fifteen. I think a game that, despite what
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Speaker 1: happened to the Bills against the Rams, is still a
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Speaker 1: bit of a super Bowl preview. Is the marquee matchup
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Speaker 1: of the week. I think is a game that people
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Speaker 1: have had circled on their calendars, Not just Bills fans
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Speaker 1: and Lions fans, but I think football fans have had
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Speaker 1: circled for a little bit, especially as we got into
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Speaker 1: the last like two or three weeks, and we started
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Speaker 1: to see how these teams have formed a little bit
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Speaker 1: and started to take take in shape or have taken
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Speaker 1: shape all over myself. We're only a minute and a
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Speaker 1: half in. I've had my first love. Not great, but yeah,
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Speaker 1: how these teams have taken shape, what they're doing, who
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Speaker 1: they're going to be, who they are, and as we
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Speaker 1: do here on the show in season episodes, the scheme,
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Speaker 1: the structure, the x's and o's of this matchup, the who's,
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Speaker 1: the what's, the whys, the how is all of that
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Speaker 1: and to have that conversation, I say, because I'm not alone.
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Speaker 1: In this episode, I am joined by mister Russell Brown,
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Speaker 1: NFL draft analysts for Fantasy pros and betting pros, and
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Speaker 1: then does Detroit Lions stuff for the Lions Wire and
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Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions Podcast. You folks obviously familiar with Russ
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Speaker 1: used to be on the Cover one team and obviously Russ,
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Speaker 1: you're on a ton here on ice coverage cover raft
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Speaker 1: season when we just prospects and evaluations and rankings and
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Speaker 1: combine stuff and all that. But welcome to the show.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for taking the time.
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Speaker 3: How's it going, I'm good man, Thanks for as always
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Speaker 3: bringing me back. Always enjoy these chats. I think some
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Speaker 3: people wonder like these guys actually don't like each other,
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Speaker 3: or they like send gifts to each other and roast
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Speaker 3: each other on Twitter, But no, me and are good
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Speaker 3: friends and we talk quite a bit outside of social
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Speaker 3: media in the podcast, so I appreciate it as always
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Speaker 3: bringing me back excited, for Sunday. I'm gonna try to
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Speaker 3: stay as mutual and level headed as I can, but
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Speaker 3: really excited to finally have a good football team here
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Speaker 3: in the city of Detroit. It's been far too long.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it you know it's funny. I was thinking
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Speaker 1: even just the Lion's trajectory and where they've been and
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Speaker 1: where they are, and then them playing the Bears on
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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving this year. It made me think back to, Oh,
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Speaker 1: I don't, I shouldn't. I should have looked up the
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Speaker 1: year and I meant to do it on Thanksgiving and
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Speaker 1: I didn't, and I should have done it for this
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Speaker 1: I was little, Lions played the Bears on Thanksgiving and
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Speaker 1: Barry Sanders was just wild good. I had have been
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Speaker 1: like six or seven or eight, like something like that,
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Speaker 1: and it was one of my I'd watched Barry Sanders
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Speaker 1: a ton and I was always playing mad in ninety three,
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Speaker 1: and I'd picked the Lions because I had Barry Sanders,
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Speaker 1: like I love Barry Sanders and Jerry Rice were like
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Speaker 1: my two favorite players growing up. Like I have multiple
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Speaker 1: I have a Barry Sanders Oklahoma State jersey. I have
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Speaker 1: multiple Barry Sanders Lions jerseys, like I love Barry Sanders,
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Speaker 1: and so seeing that game this Thanksgiving, you know, Bears
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Speaker 1: Lions made me think back to like Bears Lions when
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Speaker 1: I was little and I was just thinking like man
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Speaker 1: like having Barry and even like other guys like Herman
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Speaker 1: Moore was sick, but they were just never able to
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Speaker 1: like really put consecutive like years together or really have
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Speaker 1: a good team. And that continued for like all jokes
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Speaker 1: aside like forever, even going into like Stafford, like Stafford
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Speaker 1: is breaking his shoulder and still playing and it doesn't matter,
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Speaker 1: Like you have Calvin Johnson and it still doesn't matter,
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Speaker 1: and like Calvin kind of I don't want to like
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Speaker 1: but like kind of goes the way of Barry Sanders
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Speaker 1: where it's just like I can't do it anymore, like
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Speaker 1: I'm beating down, like I don't want to play football anymore.
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Speaker 1: I'm out, and the dan Orlovsky running out of the
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Speaker 1: end zone like just all the bad. It's been so
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Speaker 1: much bad. Yeah, And to juxtapose that with the season
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Speaker 1: last year, I think like I think a lot of
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Speaker 1: people were caught in it, like the emotion or the
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Speaker 1: nostalgia of it of like oh, you know, like good
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Speaker 1: for the Lions, Like it's so fun that they're like
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Speaker 1: doing good. Yeah, but when you actually and I'm not
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Speaker 1: saying everybody thinks this way, but like actually watching them,
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Speaker 1: they were so they are especially last year too though,
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Speaker 1: so talented and so schematically sound. They probably should have
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Speaker 1: won the NFC and went to the super Bowl with
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Speaker 1: how that game went against the Niners. And I think
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Speaker 1: now in this season, like the emotion and like the
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Speaker 1: oh that's cute, like good for them, nostalgia has kind
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Speaker 1: of worn off, and I think people are realizing this
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Speaker 1: probably is the best team in football. Like they're nasty
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Speaker 1: with what they've added on defense. The offense is just
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Speaker 1: an absolute buzzsaw, which we're a what talk about in
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Speaker 1: this episode, like how does it feel as as a
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Speaker 1: person who knows football and likes the sport of football,
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Speaker 1: but who also loves the Detroit Lions, Like what does
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Speaker 1: it feel like to be in this spot where your
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Speaker 1: team is like they're not invincible, but where they just
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Speaker 1: look like they can just dominate anyone at any moment
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Speaker 1: at any time. And it's not because like the Bills recently,
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Speaker 1: it's been a lot of like Josh Allen and great
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Speaker 1: stuff from him and then they've had good players along
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Speaker 1: the way, but the Lions are just talent and scheme
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Speaker 1: and just a buzzsaw. Like what is that like as
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Speaker 1: a person who covers ball knows it but is also
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Speaker 1: a Lions guy, tried and true from the time you were.
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Speaker 3: Little, right, It's weird, man, I mean it really is
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Speaker 3: weird because to everything you said to that point of
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Speaker 3: like Dan Orlovski running out the back of the end
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Speaker 3: zone and Calvin Johnson making great catches and then it
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Speaker 3: not being mark touchdowns at Soldier Field, like just so
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Speaker 3: many different things that have come up over the years.
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Speaker 3: The Aaron Rodgers, Hail Mary and the pass back and
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Speaker 3: forth kind of thing with Jim Caldwell and just there's
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Speaker 3: been so many things over the years. The number one picks,
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Speaker 3: the number two picks, the number three, I mean, just
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Speaker 3: the list goes on and it's just awesome. I mean
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Speaker 3: it's really different. But like there were some games this year,
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Speaker 3: like in the past, we would play Jacksonville or the
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Speaker 3: Titans and be like, man, I don't know what to
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Speaker 3: expect for Sunday. Could be pretty competitive, those are pretty
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Speaker 3: good teams, you know, whatever, whatever, and then it's like
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Speaker 3: you put the game on and they're up fifty to seven,
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Speaker 3: and you're like, yeah, what is going on? Like it's
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Speaker 3: just you know, like I don't want to see you
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Speaker 3: get bored with it because these close games like take
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Speaker 3: a lot out of me as just a fan. Like
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Speaker 3: last week, I was stressing. I think my family's a
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Speaker 3: different side of me that they're probably not used to
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Speaker 3: seeing because I'm passionate about it. I love this team.
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Speaker 3: I've always loved them. I mean, every day in third grade,
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Speaker 3: I wore a Lion's hat every single day. I just
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Speaker 3: I love this football team. I'm I'm very fortunate to
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Speaker 3: be able to cover the team and watch it the
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Speaker 3: way that I'm able to watch it and everything that's
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Speaker 3: involved with it. Doing the draft last year with Momas Brown,
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Speaker 3: who's a you know, a Lion's legend, and just like
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Speaker 3: picking his brain a little bit and hearing the things
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Speaker 3: that he was, you know, doing back in the nineties
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Speaker 3: and the things that they had to go through, and
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Speaker 3: it just it's awesome. I Mean, the city deserves that,
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Speaker 3: the fans deserve it, and I think that's why, like
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Speaker 3: a lot of comments are probably showing up. I used
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Speaker 3: to be able to see the comments. I don't see
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Speaker 3: him anymo or because I'm in here kind of as
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Speaker 3: a guest. But I think the you know, the fans
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Speaker 3: of Bill's Mafia are gonna look at it and be like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna sit back. Obviously want my team
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Speaker 3: to win, but I'm gonna just sit back and enjoy
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Speaker 3: two good football teams. And it's it's I just I
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Speaker 3: feel like I've met a lot of Bills fans over
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Speaker 3: the years that are like indifferent about the Lions because
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Speaker 3: we both as fans have been through a lot of
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Speaker 3: the same stuff, like the ups and the downs. And
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Speaker 3: I think I said this a little bit last year
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Speaker 3: to you, probably in Mobile and probably to the rest
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Speaker 3: of the cover when guys like the way I saw
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Speaker 3: you guys respond to when the Lions were being or
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Speaker 3: when the Lions, when the Bills were getting good and
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Speaker 3: got Josh Allen and Sean McDermott and the things and
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Speaker 3: the pieces started coming together, Like I still remember talking
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Speaker 3: to Eric about certain things in Mobile in our very
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Speaker 3: first airbnb about the Bills and like the change of
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Speaker 3: the culture, and then last year being able to do
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Speaker 3: it with you guys is awesome. And then sitting here
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Speaker 3: today with Christmas trees up. You guys one right behind you.
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Speaker 3: I got one next to me. I got the Christmas
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Speaker 3: stuff up. And it's just like, man, it's it's awesome.
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Speaker 3: I'm just it's I'm We're blessed where we got a
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Speaker 3: good football game coming up. I can't wait to break
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Speaker 3: it down.
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Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, everything you said so well said. And oh,
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Speaker 1: I you know, I'm in a note of this. Thank
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Speaker 1: you very much for being here, Carl. You're a continuous
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Speaker 1: supporter of myself, the brand. Thank you very much for
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Speaker 1: being here, and thank you very much with the super chat.
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Speaker 1: And Carl says Mary Xmas, Anthony and Russ. If there
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Speaker 1: are ever two organizations and fan bases that deserve to
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Speaker 1: get a Lombardi Trophy, it is the Lions and the Bills.
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Speaker 1: We meet in the Super Bowl and one of us
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Speaker 1: is going to get it. Exclamation point, exclamation point Very nice, Carl.
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Speaker 1: I like how you put that through. And yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think that kind of piggybacks for us on what you
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Speaker 1: were saying. Just like the the journey these teams have
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Speaker 1: been on, and like the fans that the Lions, I
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Speaker 1: always think of the Saints with this, but like the
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Speaker 1: Lions always like I just remember like fans in November
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Speaker 1: having like the paper bag over their head with that
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Speaker 1: games and just like the running jokes and even too,
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Speaker 1: like Dan came Amble comes along and everybody's like mocking
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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, like this guy's out here biting kneecaps and
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Speaker 1: he's like double fisting like extra large coffees and they're
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Speaker 1: just like, dude, this guy, who is this guy? He's
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Speaker 1: just like a rowdy tight end, like everybody thinks he's
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Speaker 1: a meathead. And then he's out here just building this
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Speaker 1: Obviously he knows like the x's and o's, but I
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Speaker 1: think he's another guy that the the culture that he's built,
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Speaker 1: like you watch and I've said it like on Twitter,
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Speaker 1: and I feel like people think I'm joking. Like I
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Speaker 1: watch like a Dan Campbell like pregame speech or like
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Speaker 1: postgame thing in the locker room, and I am like,
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Speaker 1: whatever you need me to do, like I'm ready, like
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Speaker 1: you got me, like he's and you and what's cool?
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Speaker 1: I think also with it is oh and who who
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Speaker 1: was I watching? I saw an interview oh, I think
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Speaker 1: with Ronde or Tiki Barber, and I forget who else,
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Speaker 1: And they were talking about Dan Campbell and whoever was
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Speaker 1: interviewing him. They were like, they were like, yeah, but
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Speaker 1: isn't he like what he says is kind of corny
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Speaker 1: and like this, and then and they were like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it is, but that's who he is. He's authentic, Like
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Speaker 1: there's no like he's not trying to drum up the guys.
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Speaker 1: Everything he says, whether it's corny or whether it's not,
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Speaker 1: like he believes, Yes, it's what he believes. And you
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Speaker 1: can see that like the postgame pressers, like when orb
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Speaker 1: up pressers, like locker room stuff, when he says something
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Speaker 1: and everybody like claps up, it's not just like yeah,
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Speaker 1: like you like everybody like feels it, like they buy in.
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Speaker 1: Like when he's given somebody a game ball, it's not
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Speaker 1: just like yeah, congrats, like they're all about it. Like
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Speaker 1: you can see the buy in and the belief in
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Speaker 1: this team. And so many of those dudes like reflect
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Speaker 1: his mentality and how he built this team. And I
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Speaker 1: think how they built the team from the ground up
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Speaker 1: as just an organization where I mean obviously you know,
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Speaker 1: like coming from having failure after failure in a multitude
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Speaker 1: of ways, but the job I think that he and
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Speaker 1: Brad Holmes did in rebuilding the roster from a player standpoint,
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Speaker 1: from a culture standpoint has just been unreal to see
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Speaker 1: and then seeing that now translate on the field and
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Speaker 1: how much of a juggernaut they are, it's just it's
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Speaker 1: just wild, like to see like what they what they became,
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Speaker 1: what they what they've become, Like.
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Speaker 3: It's not yeah to me, Yeah, no it is. And
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Speaker 3: I've always like I hate when they play on Sunday
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Speaker 3: nights or Thursday nights. I really I enjoy the primetime games,
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Speaker 3: but I hate it because I get one super amped
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Speaker 3: up for the game and then I can't sleep, and
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Speaker 3: then I'm patiently waiting for the post game locker room
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Speaker 3: speech and when it drops, I then definitely can't sleep
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Speaker 3: because like I'm just I'm a team guy. I buy in.
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Speaker 3: If I'm in, I'm in, and I'm bought in. And
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Speaker 3: and I just see the things that he says, like
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Speaker 3: in the locker room, like you mentioned like calling out
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Speaker 3: Skip Dan Skipper the other day, like yeah, just keep
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Speaker 3: throwing up Skip or whatever the hell you're doing over there.
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Speaker 1: And he's always calling him out, like anytime he has
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Speaker 1: to fill in, because Decker's always getting banged up, and
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Speaker 1: I think it one last year to postgame, He's just
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Speaker 1: like where skip skip just then I just ever.
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Speaker 3: Sip yeah, And it's just I love it. And I'm like, man,
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Speaker 3: I would pay a ungodly amount of money to be
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Speaker 3: in that locker room before the game and even after
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Speaker 3: the game just to hear the things that he has
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Speaker 3: to say, because yeah, man, like it's a true thing.
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Speaker 3: Like I genuinely think if he told me to run
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Speaker 3: through a wall, I think I would. And I like,
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Speaker 3: I've never even truly met the guy, Like I've I
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Speaker 3: asked him a question in Mobile and that was it.
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Speaker 3: Like I never got an opportunity to like fully talk
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Speaker 3: to him. Other Lions coaches I did, and some Lions
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Speaker 3: scouts I've had opportunities to talk to and stuff. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: I mean everybody I've ever spoken with talking about Dan Campbell.
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Speaker 3: He's a true dude. He's a genuine dude. He truly
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Speaker 3: believes what he's preaching. And and I think that's why
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Speaker 3: this culture has changed in Detroit so much into why
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Speaker 3: they've won twelve games, why they've won eleven in a row,
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Speaker 3: and it's certainly not going to be a game like
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Speaker 3: where I'm walking to this podcasting like, oh yeah, we're
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Speaker 3: going to mop the floor with the Bills, Like I know,
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Speaker 3: you have our work cut out for us. And I
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Speaker 3: really told people like family and friends, I'm like, the
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Speaker 3: next two games talking Packers and Bills, I'm like, this
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Speaker 3: is the Lions season, Like it is down to these
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Speaker 3: two games. If they win both of them or split
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Speaker 3: them or whatever happens, it really determines what's gonna happen
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Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks when the playoffs begins. So
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Speaker 3: I obviously wish the Bills all the best as we
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Speaker 3: get ready to preview this matchup. But yeah, it's it's
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Speaker 3: I can't wait. I cannot wait for Sunday. Man.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be. It's such a good like I
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Speaker 1: had this one circled preseason just because of what I
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Speaker 1: thought the Lion.
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Speaker 3: Did we talk to May about it?
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, we were like a pumped and hype for it,
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Speaker 1: and I take it sure they're going to deliver on
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Speaker 1: what it is and I'm I'm super annoyed. I've been
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Speaker 1: looking for and I don't I don't remember what the
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Speaker 1: keyword was what I type. I was looking for a
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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell. It was just like a clip and it
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Speaker 1: was like acting was like a montage of like things
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Speaker 1: that Dan Campbell has said. And one of the things
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Speaker 1: that he said was something about like it was something
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Speaker 1: along the lines of like like scratching and clon or
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Speaker 1: like dragging someone down to hell or like killing you
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Speaker 1: slowly or something that.
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Speaker 3: I yes, to bury you.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that is that is the one like where I
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Speaker 1: it was. It was like a fifty second clip and
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Speaker 1: I saw I'm actually like like look at it up now,
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Speaker 1: so I cause I'm pretty sure like I quoted it
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Speaker 1: and typed out like what he said, Yes, Dan camp
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Speaker 1: like this is a quote because yees. So it's a
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Speaker 1: it's like a fifty nine second video like a montage
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Speaker 1: of things that he says, and it's filled with a
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Speaker 1: bunch of awesome superlatives and great stuff. But the thing
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Speaker 1: that I quoted was him saying, quote because we'll tread
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Speaker 1: water as long as it takes to f and bury you.
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Speaker 1: And I was just like.
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Speaker 4: Yes, like like like if Samoa Joe was a coach,
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Speaker 4: it would be Dan Campbell, and that to what I love,
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Speaker 4: Like I just like right like everything Samoa Joe says,
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Speaker 4: like you believe, like you're like, he's really gonna kill
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Speaker 4: that guy, like it, it's gonna be like and I
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Speaker 4: just feel that way with Dan Campbell and it's yeah.
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Speaker 3: It's just musclebusters on everybody, bro right.
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Speaker 1: It just like Coina clutches on everybody yet because we'll
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Speaker 1: tread water as long as it takes to f and
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Speaker 1: bary you. Doesn't it sound like something the Samoa Joe
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Speaker 1: would say in like a promo or like yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: just it just fits and yeah, I'm I'm pumped. It's
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Speaker 1: a great poll. Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 1: Well you you hit it from me. I couldn't remember
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Speaker 1: the keywords and I knew if I said it you'd
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Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, it's you know, I'm pumped for you.
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Speaker 1: You know, you and I are boys, and it's awesome
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Speaker 1: to see how pumped you are, you know, even especially
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Speaker 1: with comparison to like I remember how sad you and
17:48
Speaker 1: Faves were a mobile like after that championship dip it,
17:52
Speaker 1: I know, like and it's Mobile week like I felt,
17:55
Speaker 1: I felt how sad you were then. So I'm pumped
17:58
Speaker 1: for you, but just as like so even just obviously
18:00
Speaker 1: as a football fan watching Lion's tape. The Lions are
18:03
Speaker 1: one of like three or four teams who I've watched
18:06
Speaker 1: pretty much every single game of this year offensively and
18:09
Speaker 1: defensively on the all twenty two. Aside from the Bills,
18:11
Speaker 1: it's been the Lions, it's been the Cardinals, it's been
18:15
Speaker 1: the Rams, and then I've mixed in like different pieces
18:17
Speaker 1: of like some Viking stuff, some Chief stuff, some nine ortuff,
18:20
Speaker 1: a bunch of different things. But the Lions are just
18:22
Speaker 1: such a good schematic watch and it feels good, like
18:25
Speaker 1: emotionally to see them succeed for the fan base and uh,
18:28
Speaker 1: you know, for you, but yeah, just it's awesome to
18:30
Speaker 1: see where they are. And God, I love that quote
18:33
Speaker 1: from Dan Gembles so much, Like if if I I
18:36
Speaker 1: want to get it, like put on something or get
18:38
Speaker 1: a whiteboard and write it and put it behind me.
18:40
Speaker 1: But like I'm not, Like if I was a Lions podcaster,
18:43
Speaker 1: like that would one hundred percent be on my wall
18:45
Speaker 1: like a giant. It might just be that behind me.
18:47
Speaker 3: That's such a reveal in my office. Man, quit revealing it,
18:50
Speaker 3: do it.
18:50
Speaker 1: It's such a baller quote. It just sets the tone
18:53
Speaker 1: like it's man, man, man, man, so good anything else
18:58
Speaker 1: on the Lions before we dive into kind of the
19:00
Speaker 1: matchups of this game that we think will decide everything.
19:03
Speaker 3: No, I think, I mean, I think we'll probably hit
19:05
Speaker 3: on everything that you got kind of lined up for
19:07
Speaker 3: the show tonight. So, I mean, obviously, injuries are always
19:10
Speaker 3: a key thing. Can't can't get a bunch of defensive
19:13
Speaker 3: players back, but Taylor Decker would probably be the big
19:15
Speaker 3: one offensively to really keep an eye on. And then
19:19
Speaker 3: you know, obviously defensively, where's Alee McNeil, le Vosa, Rique,
19:23
Speaker 3: Josh Pascal. What's the health with those guys if they
19:25
Speaker 3: come back. I certainly think that helps the Lions a
19:30
Speaker 3: ton with trying to stop Josh Allen and James Cook
19:33
Speaker 3: and the rushing attack. That one. I'm very glad that
19:36
Speaker 3: Buffalo finally started to establish a rushing attack because I've
19:40
Speaker 3: been talking about that for like two three years with
19:42
Speaker 3: you guys of like they need to start running the ball.
19:45
Speaker 3: It can't beat the Josh Allen show. Obviously, he's very successful,
19:48
Speaker 3: very good. But James Cook finally got going and it's
19:51
Speaker 3: definitely paying off for him.
19:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, good call. Yeah, and the injuries, I'm sure something
19:55
Speaker 1: we'll talk about. I want to grab this comment real quick.
19:57
Speaker 1: I have an answer. Pop's mafia. What's up? Pops? Oh Pops,
20:00
Speaker 1: I saw your DM. I have to get back to
20:02
Speaker 1: you on Twitter. I apologize. That's on me. I've had
20:04
Speaker 1: a hectic week. He says. What wrestler, Sean McDermott, I
20:07
Speaker 1: got a comp But it's early early Kurt Angle, pure tech,
20:12
Speaker 1: pure technicality, great athlete, but not yet like the charismatic
20:17
Speaker 1: character that he was as he went on, because McDermott
20:19
Speaker 1: isn't that like over the top and that grade of
20:22
Speaker 1: a promo like Angle was later in his career. But
20:24
Speaker 1: early kurd Angle was just this great, technically sound, actual wrestler,
20:29
Speaker 1: but was athletic enough to get it done. So my
20:31
Speaker 1: compra Sean McDermott is early Kurt Angle.
20:33
Speaker 3: Not perk Angle. Kurt Angle was there.
20:36
Speaker 1: Not perk Angle like early curd Angle on the way exactly.
20:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, that guy was nuts. No, that's a good call out.
20:45
Speaker 3: I would probably go that direction as well with Kurt Angle.
20:48
Speaker 3: That's a that's a good one. One.
20:50
Speaker 1: Who's an actual wrestler and like, but who's who's a
20:52
Speaker 1: who's technical but athletic, Like that's who he is. Like
20:55
Speaker 1: it's yeah, I I it has to be kurd Angle
20:59
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, I wanted to go up like the
21:03
Speaker 1: great colleague.
21:05
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe right now he's Charlie Hass.
21:07
Speaker 1: And then when he got that's what I was also thinking.
21:08
Speaker 1: I was thinking Charlie Hass or Shelton Benjamin as well.
21:11
Speaker 3: Like I always know Charlie Hass because he always on
21:13
Speaker 3: his wrist he'd write Russ, which was his brother's name.
21:17
Speaker 3: I guess his brother passed away or something like that.
21:19
Speaker 3: I can't remember the exact story, but yeah, I always
21:21
Speaker 3: whenever he'd come to the ring, I was like, why
21:22
Speaker 3: does he Risks say my name? And that was my name? Yeah,
21:26
Speaker 3: And I finally looked it up one day.
21:28
Speaker 1: This is a good when Steve says I think McDermott
21:30
Speaker 1: is Daniel Bryan and everyone overlooks him. I could buy that.
21:34
Speaker 1: Really good technical wrestler as well, kind of gets overlooked
21:37
Speaker 1: consonan underdog type of dude. Well that's a good one
21:39
Speaker 1: from Steve.
21:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, huge fans behind him too. That's pretty good.
21:43
Speaker 1: I like that Hopps is super upset at the Bills
21:45
Speaker 1: Special teams coach Smiley and season so coach Smiley is
21:49
Speaker 1: Doink the clown that's crazy. Doink gets super underrated, though
21:53
Speaker 1: Dowyk's character was ahead of its time. Like if Dowink
21:55
Speaker 1: was around right now, he'd hit like so hard, like
21:59
Speaker 1: he would be yeah.
22:00
Speaker 3: And he kind of carried him through some tough spots
22:03
Speaker 3: back in the day of the nineties.
22:04
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was the rough time. Everybody had a gimmick,
22:06
Speaker 1: and everybody's gimmick was like a job like Duke the Dumpster,
22:09
Speaker 1: Drosie and the Repo Man and all these weird things.
22:11
Speaker 1: As a kid, I was like, these are great, and
22:13
Speaker 1: I watch it back now and I'm like, yikes.
22:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dan Campbell is Dan Campbell's Samoa Joe meeting the Undertaker.
22:19
Speaker 3: Just what it is, right, We're gonna We're gonna bury you.
22:21
Speaker 1: You know that's exact. Yeah, that's right, that's right. I
22:25
Speaker 1: kind of like the idea of Samoa Joe and the
22:26
Speaker 1: Undertaker gimmick, Like I like that idea, like that merger.
22:31
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's good. That's good. I was gonna say
22:34
Speaker 1: the under Samoa and that doesn't make make sense. Yeah,
22:36
Speaker 1: that's good, that's good. I like it. I like it
22:38
Speaker 1: all right, let's pivot critical elements match up pieces that
22:42
Speaker 1: will decide Bills versus lines. You folks know as you
22:46
Speaker 1: if you and if you or if you're not, you'll
22:49
Speaker 1: guess you'll find out regularly watch the show. What we're
22:51
Speaker 1: going to do myself and Russ, he's gonna go back
22:54
Speaker 1: and forth. There our top three matchup pieces that we
22:56
Speaker 1: think will decide Bill's verse lines. It could be a
22:58
Speaker 1: variety of things. It could be something structural schematic x's
23:01
Speaker 1: and o's. It could be a player versus another player.
23:03
Speaker 1: It could be a coach. It could be an entire
23:05
Speaker 1: side of the ball. It could be as wide scale
23:07
Speaker 1: or as small and granular as we want and as
23:09
Speaker 1: we choose. Russ, you are the guest. I don't know
23:13
Speaker 1: your answers. You don't know mine. Everybody watching live, feel
23:17
Speaker 1: free to put whatever answers you got into the chat.
23:19
Speaker 1: Let us know your thoughts, questions, comments, concerns, all that
23:22
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Obviously, super chats get priority like Carls
23:24
Speaker 1: did earlier. Feel free to let us know if you
23:26
Speaker 1: think our answers are terrible, or if you just want
23:29
Speaker 1: to vent because you're still upset of how the Bills
23:30
Speaker 1: defense played against the Rams. Whatever you're poisoned. Feel free
23:33
Speaker 1: to pick it into the chat russ. The floor is yours.
23:36
Speaker 1: What do you got for your first point?
23:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean point number one for me just looking
23:39
Speaker 3: at the Lions defense, I mean, like I mentioned, ton
23:42
Speaker 3: of injuries to the defense. I think at one point
23:45
Speaker 3: in the first half last week they had seventeen or
23:47
Speaker 3: eighteen players play a snap on defense, which is kind
23:52
Speaker 3: of unheard of. When you, you know, bring eleven, you
23:55
Speaker 3: carry probably twenty five maybe twenty four defensive players and
24:00
Speaker 3: then obviously twenty four to twenty five offensive players, and
24:02
Speaker 3: then you got your three specials. So I think when
24:05
Speaker 3: you look at Detroit, you know they're mixing and match
24:07
Speaker 3: and almost the entire roster that they have available to
24:11
Speaker 3: try to put something together on the field. But this
24:14
Speaker 3: has really led them to be a little bit more
24:16
Speaker 3: blitz heavy, and I think that's gonna be the one
24:18
Speaker 3: of the key points for me is can these blitzes
24:21
Speaker 3: get home? And not even so much the blitz rate.
24:24
Speaker 3: I mean, according to match Quarters going through week thirteen,
24:28
Speaker 3: the Lions blitzed a total of twenty six point one
24:31
Speaker 3: percent of the time, which was only seventeenth in the league.
24:34
Speaker 3: But when you look at Buffalo, they only blitzed nineteen
24:36
Speaker 3: point eight percent of the time, so definitely there's there's
24:38
Speaker 3: a bit of a difference. But I think the bigger
24:40
Speaker 3: part is is the pass stunt rate. So we know
24:45
Speaker 3: that Josh Allen is going to probably throw the ball
24:47
Speaker 3: thirty forty times. I mean, that's just what he averages, right,
24:50
Speaker 3: So they're going to do a bunch of line stunts
24:53
Speaker 3: up front because they don't have that true predominant edge
24:57
Speaker 3: rusher like Aiden Hutchinson anymore. They have a Arrius Smith,
25:00
Speaker 3: but he's more power than speed, and he can certainly
25:03
Speaker 3: mix and match things, but he, you know, he's not
25:05
Speaker 3: going to get home every single time that physical play.
25:08
Speaker 3: It just doesn't always get there. So they do a
25:10
Speaker 3: lot of te stunts. They'll they'll twist with, you know,
25:14
Speaker 3: both defensive tackles, they'll bring a linebacker, so they're always
25:18
Speaker 3: kind of mixing and matching. And they do these pass
25:20
Speaker 3: stut rates thirty three point five percent of the time,
25:23
Speaker 3: second most in the NFL. The Bucks are the most
25:27
Speaker 3: at thirty four point one percent of the time, according
25:30
Speaker 3: to his data through week thirteen. It hasn't been updated
25:32
Speaker 3: yet for week fourteen, so either way, I think the
25:36
Speaker 3: Lions is going to be very key to get home
25:38
Speaker 3: on some of these stunts, and really, how are you
25:41
Speaker 3: able to contain Josh Allen when you're, you know, doing
25:44
Speaker 3: these stunts. There were times that they did it early
25:46
Speaker 3: in the in the the game against the Packers and
25:49
Speaker 3: Jordan Love tucked it and ran and Jordan Love has
25:51
Speaker 3: not been as mobile as we've probably thought. A lot
25:54
Speaker 3: of that is because of the knee injury and things
25:56
Speaker 3: like that that he suffered earlier in the year. So
25:58
Speaker 3: Josh Allen we all know, is going to run it.
26:00
Speaker 3: Can the Lions contain contain him a little bit? And
26:03
Speaker 3: that's what I'm looking for for the Lions defense. How
26:05
Speaker 3: much can they contain him? And I think the addition
26:08
Speaker 3: of Jamal Adams will pay off in a big way,
26:11
Speaker 3: probably this week, just simply because he looked really comfortable
26:15
Speaker 3: through the minimal snaps that he had. So I think
26:17
Speaker 3: that's one of the big things is getting him going.
26:20
Speaker 3: And then obviously Jack Campbell and the consistent pieces that
26:23
Speaker 3: they have had on defense, can they hold it down
26:26
Speaker 3: to keep Josh Allen in front of him?
26:28
Speaker 1: Do you think Brian Branch is gonna play.
26:32
Speaker 3: I think so I know there's you know, there's been
26:35
Speaker 3: some stuff that that kind of came up with, like cramping,
26:38
Speaker 3: potential foot and ankle stuff. I think he will end
26:43
Speaker 3: up playing, just because of kind of the circumstances and
26:46
Speaker 3: how big this game is. It's kind of a marquee game,
26:50
Speaker 3: and he just he kind of seems to show up
26:52
Speaker 3: and turn out for for those types of games, not
26:54
Speaker 3: saying he turns it off for the lower level games. Yeah,
26:57
Speaker 3: but he's definitely been playing hurt for I think a
26:59
Speaker 3: little while because his play is dipped a little bit.
27:02
Speaker 3: He hasn't been around the football as much. He's had
27:05
Speaker 3: a couple of inconsistencies, whether it be with breaking up
27:08
Speaker 3: passes or you know, making tackles. Uh in the open field.
27:12
Speaker 3: He's still a very big hitter and he does a
27:14
Speaker 3: phenomenal job with what he's doing. But at the same time,
27:17
Speaker 3: it's like you can tell he's playing, you know, with something.
27:21
Speaker 3: But I think he'll play. I haven't seen much of
27:25
Speaker 3: anything hinting at him not playing unless something comes up,
27:28
Speaker 3: probably between you know, maybe tomorrow or Friday.
27:31
Speaker 1: M that's fair. He I mean, you kind of touched
27:35
Speaker 1: on it a bit with his injury stuff. Like I
27:38
Speaker 1: vote so the first of I don't know, like five six,
27:40
Speaker 1: seven weeks like he if I had, if I had
27:42
Speaker 1: a vote like right, then I would be like, you know,
27:44
Speaker 1: Brian branch for like Defensive Player of the Year. He's
27:45
Speaker 1: making plays on the ball, in the pass, he's coming
27:47
Speaker 1: up and fitting the run, doing a bunch of like
27:50
Speaker 1: the nickel apex stuff he was doing at Bama, but
27:52
Speaker 1: actually playing like actual safety, single high end post, and
27:55
Speaker 1: his his versatility gives them so or or his versatility
28:00
Speaker 1: gives them such a good matchup piece against tight ends,
28:04
Speaker 1: against slot dudes, but then being able to come up
28:07
Speaker 1: and match in a variety of ways tackle play coverage,
28:10
Speaker 1: and then that ties into I knew they were the highest,
28:13
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to confirm the highest rate of
28:16
Speaker 1: cover one on the year. So you're looking at your
28:18
Speaker 1: single high man coverage forty percent on this year. According
28:22
Speaker 1: to Football Insights, the Jags are second at thirty four percent.
28:27
Speaker 1: Especially too, when you talk about like those stunts and
28:29
Speaker 1: the blitzes that they're running in what they want to do,
28:31
Speaker 1: like Aaron Glenn in that defense, like man coverage, let's
28:34
Speaker 1: get physical, let's attack up front. The Bills prior to
28:40
Speaker 1: getting a Marti Cooper struggled against single high in general,
28:42
Speaker 1: they just could not get anybody who could win outside
28:45
Speaker 1: or who could win one on one, get down the
28:47
Speaker 1: field or just win one on one on the outside
28:49
Speaker 1: period in some way shape or for him. But getting
28:52
Speaker 1: Cooper that helped a little bit. You know, he looked
28:54
Speaker 1: good again against the Rams. I mean as the the
28:56
Speaker 1: Bill's offense for a majority of the game. We'll see
28:58
Speaker 1: if they get key on Coleman back, will see if
29:00
Speaker 1: they get Dalton kin k back. But so much to
29:02
Speaker 1: like the injuries, I'm really on both sides of the ball,
29:05
Speaker 1: Like the Bills offense, depending on who plays for them,
29:08
Speaker 1: how close to one hundred percent are they? And then
29:10
Speaker 1: a similar conversation happening for the Lions as well, like
29:12
Speaker 1: who plays for them, how close to one hundred percent
29:16
Speaker 1: are they? I also think, I know it's talked about
29:17
Speaker 1: a bit, but like for where this team is overall,
29:22
Speaker 1: just being like sitting there at what doubt twelve and
29:24
Speaker 1: one now, and how good their defense has been on
29:29
Speaker 1: the year, but even now like sitting here, like the
29:31
Speaker 1: Lions defense, they're third in DVOA, first in DVOA against
29:36
Speaker 1: the pass sixth in DV away against the run. They
29:40
Speaker 1: are first in terms of like being best against the
29:45
Speaker 1: pass at EPA per pass per next Gen stats at
29:47
Speaker 1: negative zero point two. And they've done all this while
29:50
Speaker 1: like Hutchinson goes down and Davis has mised some time,
29:54
Speaker 1: and McNeil missed some time. Then AZELONEI goes down and
29:56
Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport has been out, like all these guys, like
30:00
Speaker 1: all these dudes that they brought in or have been
30:03
Speaker 1: like cultivating and building up have gone down, and you
30:06
Speaker 1: see some cracks in the armor, like and you have
30:09
Speaker 1: more as the seasons gone along, but to see where
30:11
Speaker 1: they are still from an advanced metrics standpoint, and then
30:14
Speaker 1: even the tape like it really again is another kudos
30:17
Speaker 1: to Campbell and even Aaron Glenn to a degree as well,
30:19
Speaker 1: and the players that they have there being a kind
30:21
Speaker 1: of next man stepping up, which is exactly what you'd
30:23
Speaker 1: expect from Dan Campbell. Right, somebody goes down and he's
30:25
Speaker 1: literally gonna be like, all right, bro, grab your helmet,
30:27
Speaker 1: like go get it, Like we need you to go
30:28
Speaker 1: get it, which is very similar to kind of what
30:31
Speaker 1: the Bills have done. Nder McDermott, I like that point
30:33
Speaker 1: from you as your leadoff just I wonder how so
30:38
Speaker 1: much of this game is focused on the other side
30:40
Speaker 1: of the ball, like the Lions offense versus the Bills defense.
30:43
Speaker 1: But I do wonder, like you said, like that exact point.
30:46
Speaker 1: It was one that I was gonna make, like, how
30:48
Speaker 1: do they contain Alan given what they are upfront from
30:50
Speaker 1: an injury standpoint, what they are from a coverage standpoint,
30:53
Speaker 1: and then the Bills weapons health mixed within that, having Coleman,
30:58
Speaker 1: having Kincaid, if they both play, what kind of level
31:01
Speaker 1: do they play at? How much do they work the
31:03
Speaker 1: run game off of it? Because the Bills offense can
31:05
Speaker 1: put a defense into a binds kind of similarly to
31:08
Speaker 1: what the Lions can do. But depending on how banged
31:11
Speaker 1: up both sides are, it's going to be really really
31:13
Speaker 1: I think it'd be really tough for swing the pendulum
31:15
Speaker 1: significantly one way or the other on that side of
31:17
Speaker 1: the ball.
31:19
Speaker 3: No, and I agree, And you mentioned you know the
31:20
Speaker 3: Cover one stuff, the Cover three stuff very similar. I
31:24
Speaker 3: think between you know the rams as far as the
31:27
Speaker 3: tendencies of running those coverages. Over the years under Aaron Glenn,
31:32
Speaker 3: I've felt that kind of similarities between the Rams and
31:36
Speaker 3: the Lions as far as the amount of times they
31:38
Speaker 3: run Cover one and Cover three. But I will say
31:41
Speaker 3: one thing that the Lions have done a little bit
31:43
Speaker 3: different this year, and I've been preaching it for a
31:46
Speaker 3: long time, was running a little bit more Cover two.
31:48
Speaker 3: Now they don't run it as much as you know
31:50
Speaker 3: Buffalo does, but you know, according to match quarters through
31:54
Speaker 3: Week thirteen, the Lions ran it at fourteen point two
31:56
Speaker 3: percent of the time. So I think they've They've just
31:59
Speaker 3: become more versatile with their defense, which is why you're
32:02
Speaker 3: seeing the increase in the analytics of where they're ranked
32:06
Speaker 3: and seeing them go from the bottom or the middle
32:09
Speaker 3: towards the top, and they become just more consistent. They bend,
32:12
Speaker 3: they don't break. They'll hold you to three. They're fine
32:15
Speaker 3: with it because they know at any point it just
32:17
Speaker 3: feels like at any point they know, okay, our defense
32:20
Speaker 3: can make us stop, get us the ball back, and
32:22
Speaker 3: we're gonna go down and get a touchdown. And it
32:24
Speaker 3: just how it feels. So I really am curious how
32:27
Speaker 3: that's all going to, you know, shape up, what type
32:29
Speaker 3: of coverages they are going to run, because of obviously
32:32
Speaker 3: Josh Allen what he presents them with his ability to
32:35
Speaker 3: move and chuck it deep and and take things underneath.
32:39
Speaker 3: I mean, Shakir could have a huge game for for
32:43
Speaker 3: fantasy people or people that want to bet it, which
32:45
Speaker 3: I know you're gonna, you know, do your bet us
32:47
Speaker 3: stuff later, but yeah, I just I really think this
32:52
Speaker 3: is this is a huge matchup for how the Lions
32:54
Speaker 3: want to play coverage and how they you know, mix
32:57
Speaker 3: and match what they want to do in that part
32:58
Speaker 3: of it.
32:59
Speaker 1: Uh.
32:59
Speaker 3: And then moving to the offense, I don't know if
33:02
Speaker 3: we're going that direction, but looking at the offense, looking
33:05
Speaker 3: at at Taylor Decker, like I mentioned, is he gonna
33:08
Speaker 3: play in this game? I feel like the offense plays
33:10
Speaker 3: so much better when he's healthy. But Dan Skipper has
33:13
Speaker 3: stepped up in a big way. Yeah.
33:14
Speaker 1: He hasn't been bad at all, Like not a vulnerability.
33:16
Speaker 1: And that's saying something considering like Decker is a good
33:19
Speaker 1: left tackle and a good offensive lineman in general. So
33:21
Speaker 1: the fact that you can have Skipper come in and
33:23
Speaker 1: mitigate that is a testament to him.
33:26
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think that's the other thing is, you know,
33:28
Speaker 3: Skipper the first game was you know that he started,
33:30
Speaker 3: he didn't play great, and then the second game, which
33:33
Speaker 3: was last week, I think there was forty snaps in
33:37
Speaker 3: past pro for him. I think he gave up one pressure,
33:40
Speaker 3: no sacks, and I think he really only had one
33:43
Speaker 3: miss block and he got called for holding on it,
33:45
Speaker 3: and it was kind of like that outside zone play.
33:47
Speaker 3: I'm not a huge fan of when the Lions try
33:49
Speaker 3: to get outside the tackle box. I just I feel
33:52
Speaker 3: like I feel like they're at their best running gap
33:56
Speaker 3: and power and things like that, duo, whatever it may be,
34:00
Speaker 3: when they really run the football between the tackles, behind
34:03
Speaker 3: the big bodies and not trying to get those bodies
34:05
Speaker 3: out in space all the time. Piney Sewell getting out
34:07
Speaker 3: in space every once in a while, it's fine, but
34:10
Speaker 3: I just love running behind you know, Zeitler and rag
34:14
Speaker 3: Now and Glasgow and those guys. So I think that's
34:18
Speaker 3: the other thing with Taylor Decker potentially being out for
34:22
Speaker 3: this game, do we see you know, more twelve and
34:25
Speaker 3: thirteen personnel from the Lions? Are we going to see
34:28
Speaker 3: that from them? As we've seen over the course of time.
34:30
Speaker 3: I mean, Ben Johnson's very creative with how he gets
34:32
Speaker 3: with his personnel groupings. But Sam laparda has finally kind
34:36
Speaker 3: of I don't want to say broke out of the shell,
34:38
Speaker 3: but he really seemed limited for the start of the
34:41
Speaker 3: season and really the first like two months of the season.
34:44
Speaker 3: And I wrote an article on Lions Wire about what
34:48
Speaker 3: was wrong with Sam Laporta, and he kind of came
34:51
Speaker 3: together and seemed to figure it out last week. So
34:53
Speaker 3: we'll see if that continues. And if he does, I
34:55
Speaker 3: think that helps get some of the other tight ends
34:57
Speaker 3: on the field to present. I think different types mismatches
35:00
Speaker 3: and kind of keep the Bills defense guessing, which we
35:03
Speaker 3: know the Bills are gonna bring it, They're gonna bring pressure,
35:05
Speaker 3: They're going to mix some match different things. I mean,
35:08
Speaker 3: for me, the player I'm watching on the Bills defense
35:11
Speaker 3: outside of obviously you know Von Miller and stuff like that,
35:14
Speaker 3: Greg Russo, Man, what a pick he has been for
35:17
Speaker 3: them so far this year. He seems to really be
35:19
Speaker 3: putting it together. Every single time I watch a Bills game,
35:21
Speaker 3: he's the one really stepping out I thought defensively up front, Yeah,
35:25
Speaker 3: he's I think.
35:27
Speaker 1: He's had a good year. I think some of the
35:30
Speaker 1: conversation around him is a bit hyperbolic based on the stats. Yeah,
35:34
Speaker 1: and the stats are based on some really good production
35:36
Speaker 1: in several games as opposed to like consistently being a terror.
35:40
Speaker 1: And I mean that more from a passer standpoint against
35:42
Speaker 1: the run. You and I have had this conversation before too,
35:44
Speaker 1: and I've said this so many times on the show,
35:46
Speaker 1: like Rousseau is arguably the best run defending edge in
35:50
Speaker 1: all of football. Like he's one of the best run
35:52
Speaker 1: defenders on the defensive line in general, defensive tackle, edge,
35:55
Speaker 1: defensive end. However you want to qualify him like you're quantifying,
35:58
Speaker 1: he's absolutely tremendous.
35:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's huge for what the Lions do when they
36:01
Speaker 3: want to establish to run them and we know how
36:03
Speaker 3: they mix and match with Jamir Gibbs and David Montgomery, and.
36:06
Speaker 1: I love so I love your point of kind of
36:08
Speaker 1: like what you want to see from the Lions offense.
36:12
Speaker 1: And you know that's kind of lead into kind of
36:15
Speaker 1: like my first point here, Like the main thing I'm
36:18
Speaker 1: really watching for is the Bills run defense against the
36:21
Speaker 1: Lions rush offense. But from a perspective that and this
36:26
Speaker 1: was really put on display against the Rams, and it's
36:28
Speaker 1: been put on display a bunch this year, but I
36:30
Speaker 1: think it's gotten overblown. The Bills have been displaced, usually
36:36
Speaker 1: from a vertical standpoint, Like if you get downhill on them,
36:38
Speaker 1: like especially their second wave interior guys, you can really
36:40
Speaker 1: blow them off the ball. The Rams had a bunch
36:42
Speaker 1: of success with this really just two simple ways. Like
36:46
Speaker 1: they're running duo and then they're running split zone. But
36:50
Speaker 1: it's not like horizontal, let's stretch, you cut back split zone,
36:53
Speaker 1: it's like downhill inside zone, split zone, and they're just there, yes,
36:58
Speaker 1: and they're just getting a Vila and Bolimmer are getting
37:03
Speaker 1: like downhill, Dotson's getting downhill, Hevenstein's getting downhill, and they're
37:07
Speaker 1: just blowing dudes off the ball right. The Bills in
37:11
Speaker 1: that game against the Rams, they started to course correct
37:13
Speaker 1: a little bit as the game went on against the run,
37:16
Speaker 1: but it was just because it was just because of numbers.
37:18
Speaker 1: They were either run blitzing or they were gapping out.
37:21
Speaker 1: That's where the Bills majority of the time find success
37:24
Speaker 1: against the run. So if there's seven guys attached to
37:28
Speaker 1: the line, they need to have eight dudes in the box.
37:31
Speaker 1: Because if there's seven guys attached to the line, that
37:33
Speaker 1: means they're eight gaps. There's eight gaps it's not just
37:36
Speaker 1: enough for them to have body on body, like they
37:38
Speaker 1: have to have enough bodies to account for each gap
37:42
Speaker 1: because they're not getting enough one on one wins, especially
37:45
Speaker 1: on that defensive line, and especially with the second group
37:47
Speaker 1: of dudes, because if you are, if you're not gapped
37:49
Speaker 1: out and it's hat on a hat, or even worse,
37:51
Speaker 1: if you're playing with a light box and they've got
37:53
Speaker 1: more bodies than you on the offensive side, someone's got
37:57
Speaker 1: to win a matchup to either penetrate and cause havoc
37:59
Speaker 1: or you got to play a gap in a half.
38:02
Speaker 1: You're trying to string it out. Let you know, the
38:04
Speaker 1: safeties come from depth, or your corners come up. As
38:06
Speaker 1: forst players rally to the football population of the ball,
38:09
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. The Bills course correction for the
38:12
Speaker 1: run and how a lot of games have gone for
38:14
Speaker 1: them is usually kind of get blown off the ball.
38:17
Speaker 1: Early offense runs all over you a little bit, you
38:21
Speaker 1: course correct, start to bring more rumblitzes, maybe some stunts,
38:24
Speaker 1: but usually it's just numbers guys in the box as is,
38:27
Speaker 1: or guys in the box and your rumblitz and then
38:30
Speaker 1: kind of attack it from there. That's what they did
38:31
Speaker 1: against the Rams. But if you do that against the Lions,
38:35
Speaker 1: and or if you do that against the Rams offenses
38:39
Speaker 1: that can run the ball but also pass the ball
38:41
Speaker 1: the way that the Rams and the Lions can, you
38:43
Speaker 1: start to get into a real world to hurt and
38:46
Speaker 1: the Lions with what they can do with aman Ra
38:48
Speaker 1: and Jamison Williams and Sam Laporta and even you know,
38:52
Speaker 1: Tim Tim Patrick had a wrap against Stokes in the
38:56
Speaker 1: low red zone for his second touchdown, believe where they
39:01
Speaker 1: go play action, but he stacked Stokes and then fakes
39:06
Speaker 1: shakes him and separates across the middle of the end
39:09
Speaker 1: zone and he's just wide open, like it's such a
39:11
Speaker 1: beautiful route. And I thought they lost something a little
39:14
Speaker 1: bit when Reynolds left in the offseason. I like the
39:17
Speaker 1: addition to Tim Patrick, even though he's not the same
39:19
Speaker 1: guy he was when he was healthy in Denver, but
39:21
Speaker 1: he's still a good fit because of his size, his frame,
39:23
Speaker 1: his run blocking and what he does in conjunction with
39:27
Speaker 1: you know, the sun God and Jamo and Laporta. This
39:31
Speaker 1: isn't an offense where you can just be like, well
39:32
Speaker 1: we're gonna run blitz to stop the run, or we're
39:35
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna play a ton of single high because we're,
39:38
Speaker 1: you know, afraid of getting gouged. Okay, cool, you're gonna
39:40
Speaker 1: play a ton of single high. Can you defend regularly
39:42
Speaker 1: on the outside? What happens when you get the play
39:44
Speaker 1: action game involved. I'm more like the main thing I'm
39:47
Speaker 1: watching for, yeah, is that Bill's run defense without gapping out,
39:51
Speaker 1: without run blitzing. And you know you spoke on it
39:54
Speaker 1: a little bit. That Lion's run game is so diverse,
39:58
Speaker 1: Like they can go any gap, want any gap scheme,
40:01
Speaker 1: they can run it, any type of zone scheme, they
40:03
Speaker 1: can run it. But for me, like you said, they
40:05
Speaker 1: are at their best with give me some counter, give
40:08
Speaker 1: me some power, give me duo, give me inside zone,
40:11
Speaker 1: give me the downhill stuff, give me the stuff that's
40:14
Speaker 1: designed to like puncture and push or even similar plays.
40:18
Speaker 1: On the first touchdown for the Lions, I think the
40:22
Speaker 1: first Montgomery touchdown was very similar to the fourth down
40:27
Speaker 1: play late. It was like kind of like an outside zone,
40:30
Speaker 1: but an outside like lead type of zone, and they
40:33
Speaker 1: brought Laporta in motion and they just mashed the hell
40:38
Speaker 1: out of the outside while also down blocking, just created
40:41
Speaker 1: an alley like give me everything that hits between the
40:44
Speaker 1: tackles or hits between the tight ends mash mash mash.
40:48
Speaker 1: You mentioned Zeitler and Glasgow and ragnow with all those
40:51
Speaker 1: names sound like great offensive lineman names. And then they're
40:54
Speaker 1: good on top of it. But the bills because they
40:56
Speaker 1: can get displaced, like give me that, like if I'm
40:59
Speaker 1: the lies, I'm just trying to run downhill and create displacement.
41:03
Speaker 1: And then you can also get into the fun stuff
41:05
Speaker 1: like the one play to to I'm on ra They
41:09
Speaker 1: run like the fake toss GT counter and golf is
41:13
Speaker 1: doing the spinner like they're running friggin wing tea. But
41:16
Speaker 1: then they can also run like like tack. Then they're
41:18
Speaker 1: also running like tackle long trap with Pennay, they can
41:21
Speaker 1: do dart like they can get to everything in the
41:24
Speaker 1: run game.
41:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's such a problem. And they've done that,
41:29
Speaker 3: you know, in the in the red zone a bunch
41:32
Speaker 3: like over the years, especially these last two years. I mean,
41:35
Speaker 3: they get so creative in certain spots, and there's definitely
41:38
Speaker 3: times with the red zone where I think Ben Johnson
41:41
Speaker 3: gets a little too cute, gets a little two pass happy,
41:45
Speaker 3: and most times it's we're inside the ten, we're inside
41:48
Speaker 3: the five, just not up. We're running right at you
41:50
Speaker 3: four straight times. If we don't get in, we don't
41:52
Speaker 3: deserve to score. Like that's the mindset.
41:55
Speaker 1: So just awesome.
41:56
Speaker 3: I think, you know, buckle up for that. That's probably
41:58
Speaker 3: gonna happen if they get in those situations. But yeah,
42:01
Speaker 3: I mean they get very creative and they you know,
42:04
Speaker 3: fake these run fakes so well. And Jared Goff is
42:07
Speaker 3: at his best when he's able to get play action
42:10
Speaker 3: and fake the run and just kind of change direction
42:13
Speaker 3: with his shoulders and his eyes. He'll manipulate defenders by
42:16
Speaker 3: looking this way and then quickly turning this way and
42:18
Speaker 3: a'm and Russ wide open. And then to kind of
42:21
Speaker 3: further your point to what you said earlier about you know,
42:24
Speaker 3: getting guys in the gaps with the with the Bills defense,
42:27
Speaker 3: and you know, if you've got six seven gaps, you
42:29
Speaker 3: got you know, X amount of defenders down there. It
42:32
Speaker 3: does free up guys like Amen Ra and Sam Laporta
42:36
Speaker 3: and Tim Patrick who has been a phenomenal ad and
42:39
Speaker 3: you know the city of Detroit is so happy for
42:41
Speaker 3: him to get those two touchdowns, just to get one.
42:44
Speaker 3: They've been trying for weeks to get him a touchdown,
42:46
Speaker 3: So I think they're obviously going to try to continue
42:50
Speaker 3: that and keep him going. But he's huge over the
42:53
Speaker 3: middle of the field, and that would be my next
42:54
Speaker 3: point of something that's I think pretty big and something
42:57
Speaker 3: they really pay attention to. The Lions are very adamant
43:01
Speaker 3: in the passing game of hitting the middle of the
43:02
Speaker 3: field with dig routes and dagger concepts and even some
43:06
Speaker 3: crossers to Jamos. So they're gonna want to wear you
43:10
Speaker 3: down with different types of runs and take you down,
43:13
Speaker 3: and then they're gonna want to open it up with
43:15
Speaker 3: this passing attack over the middle of the field, and
43:17
Speaker 3: they're gonna get safeties to bite and linebackers to bite
43:20
Speaker 3: on the run game, and those those receivers and tight
43:23
Speaker 3: ends are gonna be open in the middle of the field.
43:25
Speaker 3: And sometimes it leads to Jamo running for seventy yards
43:29
Speaker 3: and other times it's just a big gain on second
43:31
Speaker 3: and fifteen for a gain of seventeen. It's just they're
43:34
Speaker 3: able to get it in any type of way, and
43:37
Speaker 3: even if it's third and five, third and six, just
43:40
Speaker 3: be prepared for those runs because they're going to run
43:42
Speaker 3: the football winning down, you know, winning doubt they're running it.
43:46
Speaker 3: So I think those are our key things for Bills
43:49
Speaker 3: fans to really start kind of expecting for Sunday.
43:52
Speaker 1: I love the play action point that you mentioned. It
43:54
Speaker 1: ties even a little bit to the run game stuff,
43:56
Speaker 1: like when their run game starts working, it's good enough
43:59
Speaker 1: in event because they can run the ball, but then
44:01
Speaker 1: it ties into the play action game. And Goff is
44:05
Speaker 1: just so clinical on play action and the timing of
44:09
Speaker 1: everything is just so well structured. So on point and
44:13
Speaker 1: you said it like he's he's dropping like you know, turns,
44:18
Speaker 1: playg you know, you know, run fake five step drop, turns.
44:21
Speaker 1: Here comes I'm on ran a dig bank. Here comes
44:24
Speaker 1: Laporte on a dig bang. Like there were multiple, uh
44:27
Speaker 1: you know in breaking routes. I think they were both
44:29
Speaker 1: digs to Sam Laporta in this game one early where
44:33
Speaker 1: Laporta breaks and kway Walker comes to cut him off,
44:38
Speaker 1: so Goff fires it to Laporta's back shoulder, so like
44:42
Speaker 1: Laporta's running to quay and Goff throws it so he
44:45
Speaker 1: has to go back here and he catches it and
44:47
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. Then later in the game, I think the
44:49
Speaker 1: third or fourth quarter. Laporta's running a dig this time
44:52
Speaker 1: from the other side, from left to right. I think
44:54
Speaker 1: he's got a corner on him or a safety. Laporta
44:56
Speaker 1: does this thing, bangs into him, you know, separates a
44:59
Speaker 1: physicality at the top of the route, but the corners
45:02
Speaker 1: still there. Golf throws it away and then the porter
45:05
Speaker 1: goo'es full extension, reaches out and makes the catch. Like
45:08
Speaker 1: they can just gouge you with that run game in
45:11
Speaker 1: and of itself, and then the play action game on
45:13
Speaker 1: top of it. They have the highest rate of play
45:15
Speaker 1: action on the year this year at thirty eight point
45:20
Speaker 1: five percent. The Colts are second at thirty two percent,
45:23
Speaker 1: So they're six and a half percentage points ahead of
45:26
Speaker 1: the number two team, which is a significant, significant.
45:31
Speaker 3: Why I'm sorry, I don't mean to cut you ahead,
45:33
Speaker 3: which is wild with the Colts. The fact that you
45:35
Speaker 3: said the Colts second.
45:36
Speaker 1: I second, you're gonna say what I was gonna say
45:38
Speaker 1: about the Colt squad.
45:39
Speaker 3: I can't believe that because of how up and down
45:42
Speaker 3: the Colts offense has been this year, and how inconsistent
45:45
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson has been, and just how poorror at times
45:48
Speaker 3: he has played.
45:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also wonder too. The other thought I
45:51
Speaker 1: had with that is like Flacco being in there, so
45:54
Speaker 1: a bunch of play action. But then also like I
45:56
Speaker 1: wonder how many how much like RPO Richardson stuff gets
45:59
Speaker 1: classified is play action, so that probably inflates it. So
46:02
Speaker 1: the Lions being that much ahead of them is just funny.
46:06
Speaker 1: And then you could say they'd like, yeah, well they
46:08
Speaker 1: run a ton of play action, Like but are they
46:10
Speaker 1: good off the play action? They're fifth in EPA per
46:13
Speaker 1: pass on play action at point three to two. Just
46:17
Speaker 1: what they're able to do with that run game, mash you, stretch,
46:22
Speaker 1: you speed, physicality, and also to like the running backs
46:26
Speaker 1: sonic and Knuckles, which is the best nickname in like
46:28
Speaker 1: all of sports. The Yes, they're so dope, dude, those
46:34
Speaker 1: things are sick man, so sick, like every all the
46:37
Speaker 1: merch for them, like what they wear, like what they
46:40
Speaker 1: sell off like off the field is just so dope
46:43
Speaker 1: in a multitude ways. Yeah, they're they're crushing it. What
46:45
Speaker 1: I love with I mean, they're both good in and
46:48
Speaker 1: of themselves, but what I love with both of them
46:50
Speaker 1: is I think they each do a little more of
46:53
Speaker 1: what the other one does then gets like credit for
46:56
Speaker 1: like Sonic and Knuckles Moniker and then their skill set
46:58
Speaker 1: everybody's like, well, Gibbs is pure speed and Montgomery is
47:01
Speaker 1: the hammer. Montgomery has some of the best jump cuts
47:04
Speaker 1: and feet in the NFL, like at the running back spots,
47:08
Speaker 1: and then Gibbs contact balance and speed. He's running through arm,
47:12
Speaker 1: tackles and shoulders like just like he did at Bama
47:15
Speaker 1: little less than he like he did it a little
47:17
Speaker 1: bit at Tech, did it more at Bama, has continued
47:20
Speaker 1: to do it in the NFL. Like he's not just
47:22
Speaker 1: pure like no disrespect to Chris Johnson like CJ two
47:26
Speaker 1: K like he wasn't like necessarily breaking a ton of
47:28
Speaker 1: tackles and contact balance. It was speed and burn and
47:30
Speaker 1: that was fine because he was the fastest dude in
47:32
Speaker 1: the league. Gibbs arguably might be the fastest dude in
47:35
Speaker 1: the league, but he still runs with power and physicality
47:38
Speaker 1: more so, like he's sonic but has more knuckles in
47:41
Speaker 1: his game than he gets credit for. And Montgomery is knuckles,
47:44
Speaker 1: but he has more sonic in his game than he
47:46
Speaker 1: gets credit for. Also as a pass catcher, like what
47:49
Speaker 1: he gave me. Somebody mentioned that in the comments, which
47:50
Speaker 1: was a good call what I think is so terrifying
47:53
Speaker 1: about this offense and also like is awesome as like
47:56
Speaker 1: a football appreciator. They have so much talent on that
48:00
Speaker 1: side of the ball, right, Gibbs, Montgomery, the Sun God, Laporta, Jamo,
48:06
Speaker 1: the entire offensive line, which is the best offensive line
48:08
Speaker 1: in football arguably if if if Philly is healthy, it's
48:11
Speaker 1: between them and Philly. But the lines are super good,
48:14
Speaker 1: like seel like, you have so many all Pro caliber
48:16
Speaker 1: dudes on that side of the ball, right, and they
48:19
Speaker 1: could just beat you with talent, Yeah, but they also
48:22
Speaker 1: beat you with scheme and the fact that they're able
48:25
Speaker 1: to merge and mess those two. That's what's so terrifying,
48:28
Speaker 1: because you can win with talent or you can win
48:30
Speaker 1: with scheme. They can win with both in either moment
48:34
Speaker 1: of any game, at any point and anytime they can.
48:38
Speaker 1: They're so diverse in the run game. They're so diverse
48:40
Speaker 1: in the past game. Like maybe they're not you know,
48:42
Speaker 1: golf doesn't have the best arm in the world, but
48:45
Speaker 1: they're still able to push the ball downfield because their
48:47
Speaker 1: play action game, the ability to suck in those second
48:50
Speaker 1: level defenders and force you out to two high coverages and
48:52
Speaker 1: Also Jamo can run by anybody in any moment, Like
48:56
Speaker 1: I'm on Ra is such a good blocker in addition
48:58
Speaker 1: to being one of the best route runners in football.
49:00
Speaker 1: Like so much of what they can do, and that's
49:02
Speaker 1: not even taking into account somebody who I think, like
49:05
Speaker 1: as a mismatch creator might be super nerdy, like brock
49:10
Speaker 1: Right does so much for them in terms of like
49:13
Speaker 1: creating mismatches formationally and by alignment. There it's just another level,
49:18
Speaker 1: Like there's so many ways they can beat you, and
49:20
Speaker 1: they have the talent, but then they also have like
49:22
Speaker 1: the puppet Master and Ben Jonson pulling the strings, and
49:25
Speaker 1: they can beat you schematically, like the the play I mentioned,
49:29
Speaker 1: Yeah that like spinner fake toss GT counter against Green
49:32
Speaker 1: Bay to i'm on Ra, Like that's some wing te
49:34
Speaker 1: stuff and that's just like so diabolical and like maniacal
49:38
Speaker 1: that you're doing that, Like it's just like it's uncalled for,
49:41
Speaker 1: along with like the hooking ladder stuff to like seol
49:44
Speaker 1: and just everything like this offense is so so good
49:49
Speaker 1: like technically and schematically and timing, and but they're also
49:53
Speaker 1: like they're good with all like the I'm sorry, I'm
49:55
Speaker 1: just so like effused about the praise for them, Like
49:57
Speaker 1: they're good with all like the flashy stuff, but then
50:00
Speaker 1: they're also good at just the like the basic core. Yeah, like, yo,
50:06
Speaker 1: look how cute like and flashy that play was? Wow,
50:08
Speaker 1: that design was awesome. And then they can just turn
50:10
Speaker 1: right around and be like, now we're gonna run through
50:12
Speaker 1: your face for like seven plays in a row, and
50:15
Speaker 1: that's just how we're gonna move the football.
50:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just your way of defining the Lion's offense.
50:21
Speaker 3: Sounds like Jim Ross talking about Caine. He's diabomicle.
50:31
Speaker 1: That's well, I'm very real quick. Keep keep that thought
50:34
Speaker 1: in your head. Don't lose that thought. I want to
50:36
Speaker 1: ask you this. I saw this coming from Steve and
50:37
Speaker 1: I didn't want to lose it. Question for Russell, would
50:41
Speaker 1: you rather have? Oh? Actually you don't. Before we do that,
50:42
Speaker 1: let's pull answer fair. What's your what's your answer? Easy
50:46
Speaker 1: answer all day long.
50:49
Speaker 3: I'm a Matt Stafford guy.
50:51
Speaker 1: I mean even over prime Stafford.
50:53
Speaker 3: I'm a Stafford guy till I die. But he didn't
50:56
Speaker 3: do it. He was here for what years, gave me
51:01
Speaker 3: zero nothing. Damn he gave me nothing. Jared Goff has
51:05
Speaker 3: been here since twenty a.
51:06
Speaker 1: Live GoF has given me everything, and he's dude.
51:08
Speaker 3: He gave me a home playoff win, a division championship,
51:12
Speaker 3: things that I've never experienced in my life that I
51:15
Speaker 3: got to do with my kid, with my wife, with
51:18
Speaker 3: my friends. I got to go down to the Senior
51:20
Speaker 3: Bowl and watch it with one of my closest friends,
51:23
Speaker 3: regardless of the outcome and everything that happened that night.
51:26
Speaker 3: Like to be able to experience that with family and
51:29
Speaker 3: friends in every single day, talking to my dad about
51:33
Speaker 3: the lions of what's going on that we've never seen.
51:37
Speaker 3: Jared Goff and Dan Campbell and this team brought me
51:40
Speaker 3: that Matt Stafford never brought me that. Not discrediting him,
51:44
Speaker 3: he is a Hall of Fame quarterback. He is phenomenal
51:47
Speaker 3: at what he does. I know he's very good. But
51:49
Speaker 3: Jared Goff, whether he's plain black coffee, kind of boring,
51:55
Speaker 3: but he gets the job done every morning for you.
51:57
Speaker 3: Whatever you want to label him as he has. He
52:00
Speaker 3: has rejuvenated his career and in so many different ways.
52:04
Speaker 3: Like there was always excuses for Stafford, there was nothing
52:08
Speaker 3: for Jared Goff. He was coming here to have his
52:12
Speaker 3: career die. I mean, that's what it was. And he
52:14
Speaker 3: he's brought all of this together and he's a key
52:17
Speaker 3: part to it. So that'll always just as a fan
52:20
Speaker 3: in me, and then just the football guy breaking it down,
52:23
Speaker 3: like seeing the differences and watching the way that the
52:25
Speaker 3: offense has changed. It's crazy. Like there are so many
52:30
Speaker 3: times that I've watched Matthew Stafford in the third quarter
52:33
Speaker 3: get the ball out of the half four or five
52:36
Speaker 3: plays and punt the ball. Jared Goff gets the ball
52:40
Speaker 3: the half, they go down and score. It's just like
52:42
Speaker 3: it's different. It's just different with him, and that's that's
52:46
Speaker 3: why I feel that way. But to go back to
52:48
Speaker 3: my other point, David.
52:49
Speaker 1: Wait before we do that, before we hit your point,
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53:03
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53:05
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53:11
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53:13
Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil anything for everyone. But they
53:16
Speaker 1: have this graphic for voting for the play of the
53:18
Speaker 1: season and the two options are I guess this is
53:22
Speaker 1: like the the Josh Allen to a Mary Cooper like
53:24
Speaker 1: hooking ladder play that was off, like not an actual
53:27
Speaker 1: hooking ladder, but kind of like offscrit improvise. Yeah, against
53:31
Speaker 1: the against the forty nine ers, which is nuts, like
53:34
Speaker 1: it's behind Amary Cooper. He one hands it, catches it,
53:37
Speaker 1: pitches it to Alan Allen, turns the corner, dives, touches beautiful.
53:42
Speaker 1: Is that the play of the season or is it
53:45
Speaker 1: Sakuon Barkley's like backwards reverse hurdle against the Jags.
53:51
Speaker 3: As cool as the hook and ladder the improvised play was.
53:56
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's a single play that's gonna
53:58
Speaker 3: beat Saquon Bartley's. I mean that thing that might be honestly,
54:03
Speaker 3: it might be one of the five best plays ever,
54:06
Speaker 3: like honestly, the way he did that and the snap
54:11
Speaker 3: of the finger and just I mean, what a freak,
54:15
Speaker 3: what a freak. And if the Lions have to play
54:17
Speaker 3: them in the NFC Championship, I'm excited for it, but
54:20
Speaker 3: I'm or in the playoffs. I guess I am dreading
54:23
Speaker 3: it a little bit because of Saquon, but that play
54:26
Speaker 3: is just remarkable.
54:28
Speaker 1: I'm so there's obviously a lot of like fun stuff
54:31
Speaker 1: with both. Like the aesthetic of the Josh Allen one
54:34
Speaker 1: really gets me. It's nighttime, the snow, it looks beautiful.
54:39
Speaker 1: It was improvised and like crazy, like that play is
54:42
Speaker 1: obviously awesome. I'm also voting for Saquon here because that
54:47
Speaker 1: play is just like I've never seen that. That's what
54:50
Speaker 1: I mean, like crazy.
54:51
Speaker 3: That's it.
54:52
Speaker 1: That's like, that's all it is. Like I've seen not
54:55
Speaker 1: necessarily this kind of like hooking ladder play, but like
54:57
Speaker 1: I've seen this, the Lions have done it, like I've
55:00
Speaker 1: I've seen this kind of happen. Like granted, the off
55:01
Speaker 1: script nature and improvised nature of it was awesome. How
55:04
Speaker 1: Allen finished it was awesome. The snow and all these
55:06
Speaker 1: things like was wild. But I've never seen someone jump
55:11
Speaker 1: backwards and go over upper and like, look at that
55:14
Speaker 1: graphic nails it. The defender Barkley is jumping over is
55:19
Speaker 1: It's not like you know, the dude went at Barkley's
55:21
Speaker 1: knees and Barkley jumped him, like dude is almost standing
55:24
Speaker 1: straight up and Barkley like verted over him, Like that's unreal,
55:28
Speaker 1: Like that's nuts. And so I think I also think
55:33
Speaker 1: these are too good, Like if I had to vote
55:34
Speaker 1: for play the season, like these two are definitely up there.
55:36
Speaker 1: I just don't know if anything is touched in say
55:39
Speaker 1: quant like again, like I've never seen I've never seen
55:42
Speaker 1: that in college. I've never seen it in high school.
55:44
Speaker 1: I've never seen in the NFL like the XFL, the
55:47
Speaker 1: CFL arena, like you don't see that. I've never seen
55:49
Speaker 1: a play and pick up in the park, Like I've
55:51
Speaker 1: never seen someone jump backwards and that level of explosion. Yeah,
55:56
Speaker 1: Like I would have to vote for sake Quad.
55:57
Speaker 3: I mean just look at the clearance. I mean just
55:59
Speaker 3: to have the yeah, have the stones to pull that off.
56:03
Speaker 3: It's just right.
56:03
Speaker 1: Even that, like to have the stones to attempt it.
56:07
Speaker 1: But then like the athletics is an execution to pull
56:09
Speaker 1: it off, like yeah, they I can understand people going
56:13
Speaker 1: either way because there's a lot in favor of the
56:15
Speaker 1: Allen play and also to kind of working in that
56:18
Speaker 1: favor for Allen. Right, it took like multiple people you
56:21
Speaker 1: had what Cooper, did you had what Alan did, like
56:24
Speaker 1: the synchronization and coordination. But yeah, that's oh, it's all
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Speaker 1: going back then to that conversation, So we're waxing poetically
57:25
Speaker 1: about golf, about the Lions offense, everything they do. You know,
57:29
Speaker 1: continue your thoughts on that.
57:31
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, so David Montgomery just got to gotta
57:35
Speaker 3: give him a shine. I didn't want to be the
57:37
Speaker 3: one coming in here kind of boast about him because
57:40
Speaker 3: I feel like I would be maybe a little biased
57:42
Speaker 3: because of my affiliation with the Lions. But no, I'm
57:46
Speaker 3: glad that you mentioned his ability to jump cut the vision.
57:50
Speaker 3: Every single week I have a weekly appreciation post of
57:53
Speaker 3: David Montgomery and I clip something from the All twenty
57:57
Speaker 3: two that catches my eye. Haven't done it yet this
57:59
Speaker 3: week because I have not had a chance to really
58:01
Speaker 3: break down the Lions and Packers game yet working through that.
58:04
Speaker 3: But uh, and I'm sure there will be a David
58:07
Speaker 3: Montgomery run and they'll probably be the one on fourth
58:09
Speaker 3: down to kind of steal that game. Uh talk about stones.
58:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had another one too in like the oh
58:17
Speaker 1: maybe second quarter another like jump cut. They they I
58:21
Speaker 1: forget what the type of run it is, but they
58:22
Speaker 1: get downhill and like he goes to cut left and
58:25
Speaker 1: defender fills it. So he goes to cut right and
58:27
Speaker 1: another defender fills it, and he sits, waits for the
58:29
Speaker 1: block and then jumps and this is all like within
58:31
Speaker 1: the hole and then he gets out the front door
58:32
Speaker 1: and he's up. There's also I think it's in the
58:35
Speaker 1: fourth quarter he up ends Isaiah McDuffie on a blitz
58:40
Speaker 1: and it's actually sweet because mcduffee like lands on his
58:42
Speaker 1: head but then gets up and heats up goff and
58:45
Speaker 1: then Golf with McDuffie bearing down on him, just fires
58:49
Speaker 1: it to Aman Ran a dig like it's It's a
58:51
Speaker 1: cool play in a multitude of ways. But yeah, Montgomery
58:54
Speaker 1: steps up and burries McDuffie like full flips him. Yeah.
58:58
Speaker 1: Like there's just that that was if I had to
59:00
Speaker 1: clip one, Montgomery thing gets that one.
59:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's and that's the thing. Like, just David
59:05
Speaker 3: Montgomery so underrated. I don't I don't think he gets
59:07
Speaker 3: talked about enough as one of the best running backs
59:10
Speaker 3: in the NFL. I'm not saying he's the best. I'm
59:11
Speaker 3: not discrediting Saquan and other guys across the league, but
59:16
Speaker 3: I just feel like what David Montgomery does for that team,
59:19
Speaker 3: he is truly kind of the engine of the offense.
59:22
Speaker 3: I mean, I get it, the offensive line is kind
59:23
Speaker 3: of that, but his ability to get them going in
59:26
Speaker 3: tough spots when they when they have tough games on
59:28
Speaker 3: the ground, if they find success, which they normally do
59:32
Speaker 3: most games, it's very rare that they're kind of skunked
59:35
Speaker 3: on the ground, but when they get going, David Montgomery's
59:38
Speaker 3: just super consistent and has key runs on key drives
59:41
Speaker 3: and key parts of the games. So I definitely want
59:44
Speaker 3: to give him a shine because he's He's definitely a
59:46
Speaker 3: big part of it. But I'm also furthering your point
59:49
Speaker 3: of like how him and Gibbs compliment each other so well,
59:53
Speaker 3: and I'm glad that you point out that it's not
59:55
Speaker 3: just all thunder and lightning and speed and power, Like
59:59
Speaker 3: they both take each other's skill set and implement it
1:00:02
Speaker 3: to their game. And I mean, like there are times
1:00:05
Speaker 3: where Gibbs will lower his shoulder, he has no problem
1:00:08
Speaker 3: with that. Montgomery is I definitely think faster than most
1:00:11
Speaker 3: people think he is, yes, especially in the short areas
1:00:15
Speaker 3: of the field, and that ability to change direction because
1:00:17
Speaker 3: of his vision and jump cutting ability in those types
1:00:19
Speaker 3: of things, and how strong his lower half is because
1:00:23
Speaker 3: he's running through initial contact almost every single time, so
1:00:26
Speaker 3: he's gonna get probably two two and a half yards
1:00:29
Speaker 3: before you make contact. Then he's gonna get through that,
1:00:32
Speaker 3: gain another yard and then probably make another defender miss
1:00:35
Speaker 3: and average anywhere between four to five yards carry most times.
1:00:39
Speaker 3: So I think it's really important to mention that because
1:00:42
Speaker 3: you know, if Matt Mulano and I get it, it
1:00:44
Speaker 3: was really snowy and things like that against the forty
1:00:46
Speaker 3: nine ers, but he did have a miss against them. No,
1:00:50
Speaker 3: I'm sorry it was against it was against the Rams.
1:00:53
Speaker 3: I'm sorry against Blake Korum, And it's like you know,
1:00:57
Speaker 3: and it happens. It happens to the best of need
1:01:00
Speaker 3: defender out there. But it's like if Matt Mlonald's coming
1:01:02
Speaker 3: through the hole or Taylor Rapp or whoever it is
1:01:05
Speaker 3: coming down, they're gonna have to be prepared for what
1:01:08
Speaker 3: David Montgomery can do. And the same can be said
1:01:10
Speaker 3: for the Lions and James Cook. So I don't want
1:01:12
Speaker 3: this to just be pumping the tires of the Lions,
1:01:15
Speaker 3: but you know, it's it's for both sides of the
1:01:17
Speaker 3: football here. Both defenses are gonna have to obviously come
1:01:20
Speaker 3: prepared for what punch is going to be packed by
1:01:23
Speaker 3: both offenses. Because this is gonna be a high power game.
1:01:25
Speaker 3: I don't know what the total is the degenerate gambler
1:01:29
Speaker 3: and me should have probably checked that, but I'm thinking
1:01:32
Speaker 3: it's probably in the high forties, and I would have
1:01:34
Speaker 3: to guess it's probably gonna be pretty close to hitting
1:01:36
Speaker 3: because of just how back and forth I see this
1:01:39
Speaker 3: game going offensively.
1:01:41
Speaker 1: It just hits different with Montgomery where the speed that
1:01:48
Speaker 1: he generates in the short area and then being two
1:01:50
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds. Yeah, it's like it's just like
1:01:53
Speaker 1: a different thing. And what's an also interesting like interesting matchup.
1:01:55
Speaker 1: Milana was still working his way back and Bernard is tremendous, yes,
1:02:00
Speaker 1: but Bernard is like two hundred and twenty five or
1:02:03
Speaker 1: twenty seven pounds, like so mcg Montgomery probably like outweighs them,
1:02:07
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna you know, a lot of dudes
1:02:09
Speaker 1: out way Berdard, but not a lot of running backs nowadays,
1:02:11
Speaker 1: a lot of running backs are more like the James
1:02:14
Speaker 1: Cook kind of size and build and frame. As guys
1:02:16
Speaker 1: have gone for more juice and pass catching ability and
1:02:18
Speaker 1: route running. It's it's more of the not that these
1:02:20
Speaker 1: guys are the same, but it's more of you know,
1:02:23
Speaker 1: the Gibbs and the Cooks. The type of frame and
1:02:25
Speaker 1: body size like Montgomery is very much I don't want
1:02:28
Speaker 1: to say a dying breed, but that type of size
1:02:31
Speaker 1: at the running back position isn't common nowadays. And so
1:02:35
Speaker 1: I'm also interested in how like that pairs with the
1:02:38
Speaker 1: run game, with this Bill's defense that's very much Okay, well, adjust,
1:02:43
Speaker 1: you're gonna get us. We're gonna get you. You're gonna
1:02:45
Speaker 1: gouge us for seven or eight, yo, gougeus for twelve.
1:02:48
Speaker 1: We're gonna penetrate and hit you for you know, negative two,
1:02:51
Speaker 1: negative three, negative four, something like that. And as much
1:02:54
Speaker 1: as I love Jamir Gibbs, I really do think this
1:02:56
Speaker 1: game just speaks to more of a David Montgomery game
1:02:58
Speaker 1: in terms of just getting down hill and mashing and
1:03:01
Speaker 1: leaning on that Bill's front, like considering they don't really
1:03:04
Speaker 1: have a ton of size or beef on the inside there,
1:03:07
Speaker 1: Like just if I'm Detroit, I'm leaning on them, I'm
1:03:09
Speaker 1: getting downhill again. It could be his own. You can
1:03:11
Speaker 1: go inside zone like, you can do fun stuff there.
1:03:13
Speaker 1: But I'm running like power, I'm running duo, I'm running counter.
1:03:17
Speaker 1: I'll run some tackle pull stuff, but anything that I
1:03:19
Speaker 1: can do to create displacement and keep it kind of
1:03:22
Speaker 1: in between in between the outside shoulder of each tackle
1:03:25
Speaker 1: or inside the tight end box, like I'm keeping that
1:03:28
Speaker 1: I'm getting downhill and Gibbs. Gibbs is so fun and
1:03:31
Speaker 1: so electric. But Montgomery just being that type of hammer,
1:03:35
Speaker 1: I think is so terrifying for so many teams, and
1:03:37
Speaker 1: especially as like the nature of NFL defenses, you've gotten
1:03:41
Speaker 1: smaller right at the linebacker spot. You're playing nickel a
1:03:45
Speaker 1: lot of times, especially if you're the Bills, but just
1:03:47
Speaker 1: league wide in general. So when you have this running
1:03:49
Speaker 1: back who's two hundred and thirty pounds, it's kind of
1:03:51
Speaker 1: like a matchup issue. And I think it's funny how
1:03:54
Speaker 1: like Montgomery has started has I think changed the kind
1:03:57
Speaker 1: of the trajectory of his career in Detroit after being
1:03:59
Speaker 1: more of an afterthought and Chicago, and I always think
1:04:01
Speaker 1: back to Montgomery was the one who had that ridiculous
1:04:04
Speaker 1: graphic coming out of Iowa State, where it was, yeah,
1:04:07
Speaker 1: like the Tomlinson like this division of Barrys all like
1:04:11
Speaker 1: the most ridiculous superlatives and he's not that, because no
1:04:15
Speaker 1: one is that. But I'm happy for him after being
1:04:18
Speaker 1: kind of like a punchline and a joke and almost
1:04:21
Speaker 1: being like second fiddle to I remember doing Bears Bears
1:04:28
Speaker 1: Bills two years ago and the guy that I had
1:04:31
Speaker 1: on for the Bears, I was talking about David Montgomery.
1:04:33
Speaker 1: He was like, no, the best back in Chicago is
1:04:35
Speaker 1: Khalil Herbert. Like Herbert has the juice, he's the move
1:04:38
Speaker 1: or this and that, like that's where Montgomery was. Yeah,
1:04:40
Speaker 1: And even Charles said, yeah, I always remember a funny
1:04:43
Speaker 1: Montgomery comp coming out of college and it was like,
1:04:44
Speaker 1: it's all the best running back traits. Yeah he was.
1:04:47
Speaker 1: He was a walking like punchline and meme with that,
1:04:52
Speaker 1: and now is part of arguably like the best one
1:04:55
Speaker 1: to two combo in Detroit with what they're able to
1:04:59
Speaker 1: do within the passing side of it. This is another
1:05:02
Speaker 1: matchup piece and I'm looking for We've seen it time
1:05:05
Speaker 1: to time against the Bills defense, especially from the Shanahan tree. Like,
1:05:09
Speaker 1: so no surprise that the Rams did it. McDaniel's done it.
1:05:13
Speaker 1: Shanahan I think probably would have been able to get
1:05:15
Speaker 1: to it if the snow wasn't crazy, and if there
1:05:17
Speaker 1: wasn't a ton of injuries and things. But we've seen
1:05:19
Speaker 1: teams really lean into motion and condensed sets to kind
1:05:23
Speaker 1: of monkey with the Bills defense in terms of their
1:05:26
Speaker 1: second level, getting them out of position, creating leverage in space.
1:05:29
Speaker 1: The Lions very much can operate in that world. And
1:05:34
Speaker 1: when you look at kind of what they do from
1:05:37
Speaker 1: a motion standpoint, the Rams, so who the Bills played
1:05:41
Speaker 1: last week and obviously had a tough time against the
1:05:43
Speaker 1: Rams offense. The Rams they have the second most total
1:05:48
Speaker 1: plays with motion on the year. The Lions are third.
1:05:52
Speaker 1: The Lions also have the second most run plays with
1:05:55
Speaker 1: motion on the year. So a lot of what you
1:05:57
Speaker 1: see from the Ram in terms of and I'm bringing
1:06:01
Speaker 1: this up because it's the most recent game, but also
1:06:03
Speaker 1: because the Rams just dissected the Bills defense, it created
1:06:06
Speaker 1: a lot of matchup problems. The Lions run game is
1:06:09
Speaker 1: better than the Rams run game, even though the Rams
1:06:11
Speaker 1: run game is better than it gets credit for. But
1:06:13
Speaker 1: you look at that passing game that the Rams had
1:06:16
Speaker 1: and how they use motion and how they use condensed
1:06:19
Speaker 1: sets and formations and everything is about creating leverage and
1:06:21
Speaker 1: angles in space. The Lions can do that, and the
1:06:24
Speaker 1: Lions do do that in addition using motion as like
1:06:27
Speaker 1: coverage identifiers and tels and all that stuff. But they
1:06:30
Speaker 1: can just manipulate you in a lot of ways very
1:06:34
Speaker 1: similarly to what the Rams do. And they also are
1:06:37
Speaker 1: towards the top of the league in terms of condensed formations.
1:06:40
Speaker 1: In terms of formational with and usage, the Rams on
1:06:44
Speaker 1: the year have the lowest formational with at nineteen point seven.
1:06:49
Speaker 1: The Niners are second at twenty point three. The Lions
1:06:52
Speaker 1: are third at twenty point eight. So a lot of
1:06:55
Speaker 1: what you saw the Rams do, to pick apart the
1:06:58
Speaker 1: Bills defense Lions can do, but also probably maybe kind
1:07:03
Speaker 1: of better I like a personal standpoint, and maybe from
1:07:07
Speaker 1: a schematic standpoint, I just anticipate seeing a lot of
1:07:12
Speaker 1: And that's why I led with the run game stuff,
1:07:13
Speaker 1: because if you can't stop the run, that's a problem
1:07:17
Speaker 1: in of itself. That means you're also probably going to
1:07:19
Speaker 1: struggle against play action, and that's not even taking into
1:07:22
Speaker 1: account the regular pass game structure stuff that's built to
1:07:25
Speaker 1: create leverage and angles in space where they can also
1:07:28
Speaker 1: take advantage of you. And so that's really what I'm
1:07:30
Speaker 1: looking at from like a pass game standpoint for really
1:07:34
Speaker 1: the Lions obviously past game, but really offense in general,
1:07:37
Speaker 1: like leverage and spacing, how they're able to create it,
1:07:39
Speaker 1: how they're able to manipulate it, and then tying in
1:07:42
Speaker 1: obviously what they can do formationally personnel, run game, establishing it,
1:07:46
Speaker 1: building everything off of that. It's a slippery slope once
1:07:50
Speaker 1: you get behind that eight ball, and the Bills struggles
1:07:54
Speaker 1: against the run. I talked about it earlier, and I've
1:07:56
Speaker 1: talked about it months on show on social. A lot
1:07:58
Speaker 1: of it I think has been swept on under the
1:08:00
Speaker 1: rug because it hasn't cost them a game. But a
1:08:03
Speaker 1: lot of the reasons why it hasn't cost them a
1:08:04
Speaker 1: game is because game script has forced teams away from it.
1:08:09
Speaker 1: Like teams will run the ball down the Bills throat,
1:08:11
Speaker 1: but then they only get a field goal, and then
1:08:12
Speaker 1: the Bills get two or three touchdowns and it's fourteen
1:08:14
Speaker 1: to three or twenty one to six, and you're like, crap,
1:08:17
Speaker 1: we got to abandon the run, we got to pass
1:08:19
Speaker 1: the ball. We can't stick with it. That's not what
1:08:21
Speaker 1: happened against the Rams. The Rams use that run game
1:08:23
Speaker 1: to puncture and maul the Bills. Early on. It led
1:08:27
Speaker 1: the Bills to a you know, six to over sixty
1:08:30
Speaker 1: percent single high coverage rate in that game because they're
1:08:33
Speaker 1: worried about the run. The Bills in the second half
1:08:35
Speaker 1: against the Rams had over a seventy percent single high
1:08:39
Speaker 1: coverage rate in the second half against the Rams. That's
1:08:41
Speaker 1: crazy high. And so if you can't stop that, then
1:08:45
Speaker 1: you're worrying about further things in the past game. Like,
1:08:47
Speaker 1: that's a huge one for me, Like, how do they
1:08:49
Speaker 1: deal with another offense that's based on motion, misdirection, leverage,
1:08:54
Speaker 1: spacing angles, creating it with personnel, condensed formations, just the
1:08:59
Speaker 1: overall you know, philosophy and identity of the offense.
1:09:03
Speaker 3: No, And I think you bring up a good point,
1:09:05
Speaker 3: like with how they can motion certain guys and condense
1:09:08
Speaker 3: formations or wide informations out, whether it be pulling a
1:09:12
Speaker 3: tight end out of the formation and towards the lines,
1:09:16
Speaker 3: towards the towards the line of scrimmage, towards the sidelines.
1:09:19
Speaker 3: They love to take those exit motions towards that sideline.
1:09:23
Speaker 3: With Sam Laporta and obviously I'm in the Saint Brown
1:09:26
Speaker 3: and even Jamo, they get that kind of that running
1:09:29
Speaker 3: start and it sets up things, whether it be you
1:09:32
Speaker 3: know that that dagger concept that we're talking about or
1:09:36
Speaker 3: whether it's a spot concept. There's a bunch of different
1:09:39
Speaker 3: variations that they're going to throw the football off of
1:09:43
Speaker 3: those motions. But then you know, the as they condensed
1:09:45
Speaker 3: things down, they're gonna run it right down, you know,
1:09:48
Speaker 3: right into your face, and that's what they're gonna end
1:09:50
Speaker 3: up doing, I think at points in this game. But
1:09:52
Speaker 3: one thing that the Lions did last week that I
1:09:54
Speaker 3: have not really talked about, and I didn't talk about
1:09:56
Speaker 3: it on Twitter or or even on my show yet.
1:09:59
Speaker 3: I haven't had my show yet this week, but over
1:10:02
Speaker 3: at Detroit Lions podcast shameless Plug. Yeah and yeah. I
1:10:08
Speaker 3: just like there were times that Gibbs was really getting
1:10:11
Speaker 3: going in the passing game. We haven't really seen that
1:10:13
Speaker 3: much this year, and they started to use him a
1:10:15
Speaker 3: little bit more in the passing game. I am surprised
1:10:18
Speaker 3: that the Lions have not really shown a pony personnel
1:10:22
Speaker 3: any point over the last two years. With Jamir Gibbs
1:10:25
Speaker 3: and David Montgomery. I just I feel like they could
1:10:28
Speaker 3: really mix and match, putting those guys in the backfield
1:10:31
Speaker 3: together out of shotgun. The Lions at times last week
1:10:34
Speaker 3: against the Packers started running out of shotgun a lot more.
1:10:37
Speaker 3: It seemed like they were trying to hit some outside
1:10:39
Speaker 3: zone stuffs and certain things like that, and that's fine,
1:10:42
Speaker 3: it's not really who they are though, especially when they're
1:10:45
Speaker 3: running to the left. Like if Dan Skipper's there, you're
1:10:47
Speaker 3: asking him for a lot to get out in space
1:10:50
Speaker 3: and and get out wide and and and hook a
1:10:53
Speaker 3: defensive tackle or a linebacker, get to the second level
1:10:56
Speaker 3: whatever's happening on that specific play in which you're designing
1:10:59
Speaker 3: for him to do. But if you get Gibbs and
1:11:02
Speaker 3: Montgomery in the backfield at the same time, I think
1:11:04
Speaker 3: he can create obviously mismatches for the linebackers and the safeties,
1:11:08
Speaker 3: but then you can motion even more. And as you
1:11:09
Speaker 3: mentioned motioning and and the things that teams are doing
1:11:13
Speaker 3: with their formations from the forty nine ers and the rams,
1:11:16
Speaker 3: it can make it very problematic for the Bills. So
1:11:18
Speaker 3: I wonder if the Lions mix and match anything different
1:11:21
Speaker 3: that we haven't seen, because every week there's a new
1:11:23
Speaker 3: wrinkle for an NFL offense and an NFL defense. So
1:11:26
Speaker 3: I am curious what the wrinkle is going to be
1:11:28
Speaker 3: for the Lions this week. I have no idea because
1:11:30
Speaker 3: I am not Ben Johnson, and I'm not Dan Campbell,
1:11:34
Speaker 3: but I do like to think about it, and I
1:11:36
Speaker 3: do draw the stuff up, and I do just kind
1:11:38
Speaker 3: of wonder, like what direction are they going to go
1:11:40
Speaker 3: in this game with how they do it? And it
1:11:42
Speaker 3: wouldn't surprise me at all though if it is kind
1:11:45
Speaker 3: of I don't want to say boring, but kind of
1:11:46
Speaker 3: what we're talking about just smash mouth football with the
1:11:49
Speaker 3: Lions offense. But I think you bring up a lot
1:11:52
Speaker 3: of great points with the motion, and I think the
1:11:54
Speaker 3: Lions are going to definitely try to motion the Bills
1:11:57
Speaker 3: to death a little bit with their defense and try
1:12:00
Speaker 3: to create those mismatches.
1:12:02
Speaker 1: I like the under center and shotgun mentioned that you
1:12:05
Speaker 1: had some numbers to put that in perspective for folks.
1:12:08
Speaker 1: The Lions lead the NFL from a volume standpoint in
1:12:13
Speaker 1: plays run from under center. They have four hundred and
1:12:16
Speaker 1: seventy five plays under center this year. That's first in
1:12:20
Speaker 1: the league. The Minnesota Vikings are second at three hundred
1:12:24
Speaker 1: and ninety, so eighty five more plays almost like a
1:12:27
Speaker 1: game in a quarter or game and a half's worth
1:12:30
Speaker 1: of plays more under center than the Minnesota Vikings and second.
1:12:35
Speaker 1: Compare it and so that's from a volume standpoint. From
1:12:37
Speaker 1: a percentage standpoint, over fifty six percent of their plays
1:12:41
Speaker 1: have come from under center this year really messes you know,
1:12:44
Speaker 1: that marrying of the run in the past and then
1:12:46
Speaker 1: you tie it in with condensed formations in personnel and
1:12:49
Speaker 1: everything they can get to and what they can do.
1:12:51
Speaker 1: I also wonder from a matchup standpoint, it feels like
1:12:55
Speaker 1: this is a conversation regularly for Bills fans. It was
1:12:57
Speaker 1: mentioned a couple you know times in the comments, like
1:13:01
Speaker 1: if the Lions lean in with you know, cause they
1:13:04
Speaker 1: do have a similar to last year, but in a
1:13:06
Speaker 1: different way, Like do you do have like a bigger
1:13:07
Speaker 1: bodied eleven personnel type of grouping? Like again, I'm on
1:13:11
Speaker 1: raw for being a smaller dude and a great route runner.
1:13:13
Speaker 1: He's a good blocker, like he can dig out a
1:13:15
Speaker 1: safety nickel hill crack, he'll wash down edges. Patrick is
1:13:18
Speaker 1: in that mold. Reynolds was in that mold last year,
1:13:21
Speaker 1: Like they run kind of a I don't want to
1:13:23
Speaker 1: say to the level of the rams with Puka and
1:13:25
Speaker 1: Cup and DeMarcus Robinson, but that's what they try to
1:13:28
Speaker 1: get to with their eleven personnel. But then they can
1:13:30
Speaker 1: also be in twelve with Laporta and Brock writer. Like
1:13:34
Speaker 1: you said, if you want to go thirteen and put
1:13:35
Speaker 1: Zilster out there, I wonder how much they lean into
1:13:39
Speaker 1: like the heavy aspect to try and put the Bills
1:13:43
Speaker 1: into a buying and be like, Hey, we're going to
1:13:44
Speaker 1: try and make Taron Johnson, who is arguably the bills
1:13:47
Speaker 1: best defender, We're going to try and make him a
1:13:49
Speaker 1: weak point by running at him with huge tight ends
1:13:52
Speaker 1: and just trying to mash him and mash him and
1:13:54
Speaker 1: mash him. Like, I wonder how much of the spread
1:13:58
Speaker 1: game do we get versus is the under center power
1:14:02
Speaker 1: heavy type of game because to tying of what we
1:14:04
Speaker 1: talked about earlier with the Lions, like they really can
1:14:06
Speaker 1: operate kind of whatever way they want. I mean, one
1:14:09
Speaker 1: minute they're going with like thirteen personnel condensed heavy and
1:14:15
Speaker 1: they're running it down your throat, and then the next
1:14:16
Speaker 1: play they're going like empty quads and they're running like
1:14:19
Speaker 1: a spacing concept with a dig. Like they can just
1:14:22
Speaker 1: do so much, And I wonder, I as much as
1:14:25
Speaker 1: I love Taron Johnson, I feel like that's the mismatch
1:14:28
Speaker 1: creator you can get against the Bills defense, which is
1:14:30
Speaker 1: trying to punish them for being in Nickel, even though
1:14:34
Speaker 1: Nickel has been the way for them to kind of
1:14:36
Speaker 1: punish like opposing offense as an attack. I'm like, I
1:14:38
Speaker 1: wonder how much of that we get from a personnel
1:14:40
Speaker 1: standpoint for the Lions.
1:14:42
Speaker 3: I think it's a good point, and I'm not necessarily
1:14:45
Speaker 3: sure what direction they're gonna go. I'm sure we're gonna
1:14:47
Speaker 3: see obviously a bunch of different things. The mismatch that
1:14:50
Speaker 3: I would have gone with and that I'm gonna go
1:14:53
Speaker 3: with is the sixth offensive lineman. There were times when
1:14:57
Speaker 3: day when Taylor Decker is healthy, Dan Skipper's that sixth guy,
1:15:01
Speaker 3: and they'll bring him in and they might only do
1:15:03
Speaker 3: it three or four times, but they do it in
1:15:05
Speaker 3: crucial spots. And if he's not playing Dan Skippers at
1:15:09
Speaker 3: left tackle. Well, we saw Christian Mahogney play a little
1:15:12
Speaker 3: bit last week kind of in a spot, little jam
1:15:15
Speaker 3: because it's either got hurt. So I do wonder does
1:15:19
Speaker 3: he end up playing outside of a Pina Sul or
1:15:22
Speaker 3: a Dan Skipper or do you put him in the backfield?
1:15:25
Speaker 3: Do you bring in a sixth offensive lineman for that?
1:15:28
Speaker 3: And you just go all kinds of different types of
1:15:30
Speaker 3: heavy and you try to just you know, run it downhill,
1:15:32
Speaker 3: like we've been talking about all night. But if not,
1:15:36
Speaker 3: I think you're right. Johnson is definitely kind of that mismatch.
1:15:39
Speaker 3: I think Benford has done a phenomenal job. What a
1:15:42
Speaker 3: what a find he has been for him, What a
1:15:44
Speaker 3: developmental piece they've they've I mean, they've just developed him
1:15:47
Speaker 3: so nicely. He really stands out his patience and just
1:15:52
Speaker 3: how well he plays. He's so consistent. I think you
1:15:55
Speaker 3: and Eric did a film room on him a few
1:15:58
Speaker 3: weeks back, maybe or maybe Eric, I can't remember. I
1:16:01
Speaker 3: just know it was on the cover one handle and
1:16:03
Speaker 3: I tweeted it out. But just every single time I
1:16:06
Speaker 3: watched the Bills, and I haven't watched the Bills a
1:16:07
Speaker 3: ton this year compared to you and obviously the Bills fans,
1:16:10
Speaker 3: But every single time I watched the Bills and I
1:16:13
Speaker 3: watch their defense on the All twenty two, Benford, Benford,
1:16:16
Speaker 3: it's just it's all over the place, it feels like.
1:16:18
Speaker 3: So I'm with you. I think Johnson can be the
1:16:21
Speaker 3: one that maybe gets exposed because of who he's going
1:16:23
Speaker 3: to end up having to probably guard out of the slot,
1:16:26
Speaker 3: whether it is Amen ra Jamo, Sam Laporta, There's just
1:16:29
Speaker 3: different types of players that he's going to have to
1:16:31
Speaker 3: be prepared for, unless the Bills decide to shadow, you know,
1:16:36
Speaker 3: certain defenders with certain offensive players from the Lions. But
1:16:39
Speaker 3: if not, I think it could be a rough day
1:16:41
Speaker 3: for Johnson, no doubt. But at the same time, I
1:16:45
Speaker 3: think the Lions bread and butter this week will no
1:16:47
Speaker 3: doubt throw the football around, especially if if the Bills
1:16:50
Speaker 3: go up at all and you got to chase the points.
1:16:51
Speaker 3: But I still think like they're going to stay true
1:16:53
Speaker 3: to who they are. They can run the football, and
1:16:56
Speaker 3: if the Bills are struggling to stop the run, which
1:16:58
Speaker 3: it does seem like they are a little bit as
1:17:00
Speaker 3: we saw against the Rams at times last week, I
1:17:03
Speaker 3: think there there will definitely be moments in this game
1:17:07
Speaker 3: where the Lions can can expose them on the ground
1:17:09
Speaker 3: because of the heavy personnel that they get on the field.
1:17:12
Speaker 1: I look for in this one. I look for the
1:17:15
Speaker 1: Bills and because I feel like with a team like
1:17:18
Speaker 1: the Rams, right you kind of have to pick ear
1:17:20
Speaker 1: poison like it's it's like facing a pitcher who has
1:17:22
Speaker 1: like a devastating, like a great fastball and like a
1:17:25
Speaker 1: devastating change up and also a great curve ball. You
1:17:28
Speaker 1: kind of have to be like, Okay, I'm gonna look
1:17:30
Speaker 1: for one of them, right, and then if he gets
1:17:32
Speaker 1: me with the others, okay, he got me with the others,
1:17:35
Speaker 1: I cause you can't just defend everything. The lines are
1:17:38
Speaker 1: gonna do. Like if I'm looking for the Bills to
1:17:40
Speaker 1: try and sell out more for the run and be like, hey,
1:17:43
Speaker 1: we're going to try and create those negative players, which
1:17:45
Speaker 1: we're going to try and create tackle for loss. We're
1:17:47
Speaker 1: gonna try and get early pressure on Jared Goff, fluster him,
1:17:50
Speaker 1: take advantage of the fact that he's not the you know,
1:17:52
Speaker 1: the best athlete back there, and get after him early
1:17:56
Speaker 1: with whether it's run blitzes for the sake of the
1:17:58
Speaker 1: run or run blitz is that end up turning into
1:18:01
Speaker 1: pass blitzes because it's actually a play action pass or
1:18:03
Speaker 1: something like that. I look for the Bills to attack
1:18:06
Speaker 1: them that way, but then I also look for like
1:18:09
Speaker 1: the cat and mouse game of like Okay, are you
1:18:12
Speaker 1: getting that tackle for loss or are you getting pressure
1:18:15
Speaker 1: or getting a sack? Or did your run blitz come
1:18:18
Speaker 1: from the wrong side at the wrong time and now
1:18:20
Speaker 1: that's a twenty yard run or it's play action and
1:18:24
Speaker 1: they blocked it up. And now you've only got like
1:18:27
Speaker 1: four or five guys in coverage and there's all this
1:18:29
Speaker 1: space like who gets got more and who gets who?
1:18:33
Speaker 1: And I kind of look for So I'm looking for
1:18:35
Speaker 1: that on that side of the ball. I like your
1:18:37
Speaker 1: six offensive lineman point for the Lions. I'm looking for
1:18:40
Speaker 1: that for Oh, this is a great comp from Steve
1:18:42
Speaker 1: who says the Lions are Greg Maddox. That's a great comp.
1:18:47
Speaker 1: That's a great comp. I like that a lot. Well done.
1:18:51
Speaker 1: I look for the Bills to incorporate more six offensive
1:18:54
Speaker 1: lineman sets. Alec Anderson has been a real weapon for
1:18:56
Speaker 1: them as a sixth offensive lineman. David Edwards was that
1:18:58
Speaker 1: guy last year. Starter at left guard, Alec Anderson has
1:19:02
Speaker 1: been solid again. Well, a lot of this is injury dependent,
1:19:05
Speaker 1: right like is Coleman good to go and what percentage
1:19:08
Speaker 1: of health is he at? Same thing with Dalton kin
1:19:09
Speaker 1: k all that conversation. But the Bills run game, and
1:19:12
Speaker 1: you alluded to it earlier, like the Bills have a
1:19:15
Speaker 1: good run game, run game. They're eighth in terms of
1:19:19
Speaker 1: EPA per attempt for running back carries only. For fun fact,
1:19:22
Speaker 1: the Lions are fourth. They are also eighth in terms
1:19:26
Speaker 1: of overall EPA for running back carries only. We've seen
1:19:30
Speaker 1: what Cook can do. We've seen what Ray Davis can do.
1:19:32
Speaker 1: Ty Johnson is a better running back than he gets
1:19:34
Speaker 1: credit for. I like the heavier sets with the sixth
1:19:37
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, especially because I think with all the injuries,
1:19:41
Speaker 1: I think the back end of the Detroit defense is
1:19:44
Speaker 1: far more talented than the front. Given McNeil being banged up,
1:19:48
Speaker 1: Hutchinson being banged up, all the injuries they've had on
1:19:52
Speaker 1: that side, they still have some dudes, Angelone being out.
1:19:55
Speaker 1: I would rather attack the front than attack the back end.
1:19:59
Speaker 1: And I would to attack the back end through the
1:20:01
Speaker 1: front by going heavy. You know, if I'm going twelve personnel,
1:20:05
Speaker 1: hopefully quintin Morris's back, and then you're going Knox and Morris,
1:20:07
Speaker 1: so you have two better blocking tight ends. But I'm
1:20:10
Speaker 1: looking for that six offensive lineman to kind of mash
1:20:12
Speaker 1: Detroit lean into the run and then generate explosives with
1:20:16
Speaker 1: the play action pass. Not that you can't do it
1:20:19
Speaker 1: from spread or go, you know, power spread and bully ball.
1:20:21
Speaker 1: In that way. But I look for the Bills offense
1:20:24
Speaker 1: to do that because I think that's where you can
1:20:25
Speaker 1: attack this Detroit defense, attack the defensive line, attack that
1:20:28
Speaker 1: front seven, and attack the secondary by going through that front,
1:20:32
Speaker 1: either on the ground or with play action and forcing
1:20:34
Speaker 1: him into kind of you know, forcing their hand a
1:20:36
Speaker 1: little bit.
1:20:38
Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned Ty Johnson, former Detroit lion Ty Johnson,
1:20:42
Speaker 3: and I feel like I feel like whenever I watch
1:20:44
Speaker 3: a Bills game, like live, whether it's on CBS or
1:20:47
Speaker 3: Fox or whatever, every single time, I feel like there's
1:20:51
Speaker 3: just moments where they pick and choose to sprinkle in
1:20:53
Speaker 3: Ty Johnson, and it just feels like it's an explosive play.
1:20:56
Speaker 1: It feels like it works. Like every time he's on
1:20:59
Speaker 1: the field of Hut, it's either a really good block
1:21:01
Speaker 1: in pass pro or a really good run or a
1:21:03
Speaker 1: really good catch and run. He had the huge screen
1:21:05
Speaker 1: touchdown against Yeah, he's batten like he's like a pinch hitter,
1:21:09
Speaker 1: but he's batt in like six hundred.
1:21:11
Speaker 3: It's just like wild, right, Yeah, it's just it's it's
1:21:14
Speaker 3: it's like he's like the the Bill's Brandon in, you know,
1:21:19
Speaker 3: like he can play everything, multiple things.
1:21:22
Speaker 1: Tigers cop.
1:21:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's crazy every single time. I'm glad
1:21:27
Speaker 3: you mentioned Alec Anderson too. I was a big fan
1:21:29
Speaker 3: of him coming out of U. C. L A not
1:21:30
Speaker 3: big fan. I need to watch high word that because
1:21:33
Speaker 3: Eric's gonna ghost me like he did Terrence Steele.
1:21:36
Speaker 1: You're a big fan of Alec Anderson.
1:21:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he always caught my eye. I was like, man,
1:21:42
Speaker 3: we gotta start talking about this kid, and I don't.
1:21:43
Speaker 3: I don't think he ended up getting drafted or whatever
1:21:45
Speaker 3: his path was, but he's found success in Buffalo and
1:21:49
Speaker 3: I will be curious what that looks like with the
1:21:51
Speaker 3: heavy personnel if the Bills decided to do that and
1:21:55
Speaker 3: put Allen in that linebacker that I mean, yeah, all
1:22:00
Speaker 3: these guys get paid enough, but Alway's getting paid like
1:22:02
Speaker 3: Jon Soto bro.
1:22:05
Speaker 1: And sixty five with escalators up the eight hundred.
1:22:07
Speaker 3: Crazy, crazy, crazy, there's got to be a salary cap
1:22:10
Speaker 3: in MB. Yeah. But yeah, I'm glad you. Like I said,
1:22:14
Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned the heavy personnel for the for
1:22:16
Speaker 3: the Bills and how that potentially works for them, and
1:22:18
Speaker 3: how they mix and match certain guys up front with
1:22:21
Speaker 3: their line of scrimmage and you're right. They have to
1:22:23
Speaker 3: attack on the Lions defense at times upfront, depending on
1:22:27
Speaker 3: the health of the guys there.
1:22:29
Speaker 1: So Joe is a Joe is a huge Yankees fan,
1:22:33
Speaker 1: so he's very upset about the long soas My bad.
1:22:36
Speaker 3: Joe didn't mean to bring up old stuff. My bad.
1:22:40
Speaker 3: Just move on. You guys are gonna pay the all.
1:22:42
Speaker 1: Raps separate comments of pain and then agony. Really like that,
1:22:46
Speaker 1: maybe laugh so hard, but you guys signed. You guys
1:22:49
Speaker 1: signed freed two hundred and eighteen million, most money ever
1:22:51
Speaker 1: for a left handed pitcher. So that's still fun. At
1:22:54
Speaker 1: least you're not like my red Sox who refuse to
1:22:56
Speaker 1: spend money even though oh yeah you did. Yeah, yeah,
1:23:00
Speaker 1: he's upsetive, like there's so much. Sorry, I don't mean
1:23:02
Speaker 1: to the all caps got me as soon as he's gain,
1:23:07
Speaker 1: I knew what it was for. Continue.
1:23:09
Speaker 3: Sorry, No, you're good. I completely lost where I was
1:23:13
Speaker 3: at with just the heavy person that heavy person.
1:23:15
Speaker 1: Out yeah and talking about that being like a key
1:23:17
Speaker 1: for the bills and whateut. And again, they have a
1:23:19
Speaker 1: high success rate with it. They have a high EPA
1:23:21
Speaker 1: per attempt with it. And what's good is like they
1:23:23
Speaker 1: can work play action with it, but they also can
1:23:26
Speaker 1: work the run game with it. And what's nice is
1:23:28
Speaker 1: like you can put Alec Anderson in and then have MATC.
1:23:31
Speaker 1: Collins in there, who's a really good run block and
1:23:33
Speaker 1: wide receiver, and you can get a really good effective
1:23:35
Speaker 1: duo off of that. And they're they're good with duo.
1:23:38
Speaker 1: Weakside mid zone is their bread and butter this year,
1:23:41
Speaker 1: but they can work duo all the tackle pull stuff,
1:23:43
Speaker 1: dart and long trap. But then you can go what's
1:23:46
Speaker 1: nice is when you have that six offensive lineman and
1:23:48
Speaker 1: this isn't just unique to the Bills, and you know
1:23:50
Speaker 1: this year, an offensive line coach, you put that six
1:23:53
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in there when you go play action. Now
1:23:56
Speaker 1: that six offensive lineman that you're in line tight end.
1:23:59
Speaker 1: Now you got a big on big and you have
1:24:01
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman blocking a defensive end and it's not
1:24:03
Speaker 1: a tight end blocking a defensive end. You don't have
1:24:06
Speaker 1: that mismatch. So now you can create like an actual
1:24:08
Speaker 1: real pocket and really try to push that ball downfield.
1:24:11
Speaker 1: Because we don't I don't. I feel like we don't
1:24:13
Speaker 1: talk about it enough for teams. It's like they don't
1:24:15
Speaker 1: push the ball downfield. And part of it is due
1:24:19
Speaker 1: to the weapons and quarterback and all that. But to
1:24:21
Speaker 1: push the ball down field, you have to give the
1:24:23
Speaker 1: receivers time to get downfield. In order to have time
1:24:26
Speaker 1: to get downfield, your offensive line has to hold up
1:24:28
Speaker 1: and pass protect long enough for your quarterback to hold
1:24:31
Speaker 1: the ball and chuck it downfield. And you can do
1:24:33
Speaker 1: that on play action organically because you slow down the
1:24:36
Speaker 1: pass rushers by making them play run to pass to
1:24:38
Speaker 1: get the QB. But when you get that six offensive
1:24:41
Speaker 1: lineman in there, as that in line tight end, you
1:24:44
Speaker 1: just that's another offensive lineman. You can create a real
1:24:47
Speaker 1: like surface out there and it's not like, okay, well
1:24:50
Speaker 1: we got our tight end matched up on a defensive end.
1:24:53
Speaker 1: We got to chip them, or we gotta give help,
1:24:55
Speaker 1: or we gotta slide or do something like. I feel
1:24:57
Speaker 1: like that big on big is also a helpful piece
1:24:58
Speaker 1: as well.
1:24:59
Speaker 3: And it'll be big on third down too. I mean
1:25:01
Speaker 3: the Lions struggled at times on third down. I mean,
1:25:04
Speaker 3: according to like Statmus, the Lions are fourth on third
1:25:07
Speaker 3: down conversion rate at like almost forty six percent. They've
1:25:13
Speaker 3: they've allowed seventy one conversions on one hundred and fifty
1:25:17
Speaker 3: five attempts, so defensively they've allowed like the fourth highest.
1:25:20
Speaker 1: They have the fourth highest conversion rate allowed defensively.
1:25:22
Speaker 3: Correct according to stat News. So it's like, all right,
1:25:25
Speaker 3: if you if you get into some predicaments here, I think,
1:25:27
Speaker 3: you know, you bring in the heavier bodies, you kind
1:25:30
Speaker 3: of maybe play with the Lions defensive mindset of like, okay,
1:25:34
Speaker 3: we're gonna run you know, power or duo right down
1:25:37
Speaker 3: your face here, and then all of a sudden, Josh
1:25:40
Speaker 3: Allen's pulling the ball and he's rolling out. Yeah, and
1:25:43
Speaker 3: you kind of have a loaded box and he gets
1:25:44
Speaker 3: out in space. So I think there's gonna be ways
1:25:47
Speaker 3: for them to create the mismatches. And that's why I
1:25:50
Speaker 3: kind of alluded to the total earlier for the betting
1:25:52
Speaker 3: crowd out there. It's just like the Lions defenses that
1:25:56
Speaker 3: they're playing well, but they I mean five out of
1:25:58
Speaker 3: the six drives against the Packers to in that game
1:26:00
Speaker 3: they allowed points. Not saying they're going to allow a
1:26:04
Speaker 3: ton of points, but if they get stops early, the
1:26:07
Speaker 3: Lions defense would be Okay, that's kind of their mo
1:26:09
Speaker 3: If they can get a couple of stops early in
1:26:10
Speaker 3: the game, get enough ahead before the half, they find
1:26:14
Speaker 3: ways to kind of escape with the win. It's not
1:26:17
Speaker 3: always pretty, and I think that'll be the case here
1:26:20
Speaker 3: where it's not always pretty, but they'll they'll do what
1:26:22
Speaker 3: they can. But yeah, I think the Bills can can
1:26:24
Speaker 3: definitely expose them a little bit with heavier personnel and
1:26:27
Speaker 3: getting Allen out in space.
1:26:29
Speaker 1: I like that the Allen piece you mentioned it earlier,
1:26:31
Speaker 1: you mentioned here again like that's it usually is like
1:26:34
Speaker 1: the kind of the pendulum swinger. But I really feel
1:26:37
Speaker 1: like again that Lion's front. I don't think they have
1:26:41
Speaker 1: the bodies to kind of like, are you gonna spy
1:26:43
Speaker 1: Josh Allen? Okay with who? Like who's the one who's
1:26:46
Speaker 1: kind of keeping him in there? Who's hemming him in there?
1:26:48
Speaker 1: Like your pass Russ is also just you know, wounded,
1:26:52
Speaker 1: I'll say, to kind of put it like nicely, So yeah,
1:26:55
Speaker 1: do you are you blitzing? You got to maintain rush
1:26:57
Speaker 1: laying integrity, kind of put them in like hem and
1:27:00
Speaker 1: because you don't have somebody who can just win one
1:27:01
Speaker 1: on one, you have to do it. It's like a
1:27:03
Speaker 1: true village and kind of get after him. Great poll
1:27:07
Speaker 1: here from Carl who again, thank you very much, for
1:27:09
Speaker 1: the super Chat again, Carl, and then for still being here,
1:27:11
Speaker 1: for being here all the time for super Chat. Thank
1:27:12
Speaker 1: you very much. This is a great pull from Carl
1:27:15
Speaker 1: who says the Lions and Bills are number one and
1:27:18
Speaker 1: two in run differential. By run differential, he means point
1:27:21
Speaker 1: differential for those who aren't uh baseball lingo, Lions and
1:27:24
Speaker 1: Bills are number one and two in run differential, except
1:27:28
Speaker 1: the Lions are first at plus one eighty three domination
1:27:32
Speaker 1: of the entire NFL. The Bills are second, but they're
1:27:34
Speaker 1: a distance second at plus one twenty nine. Yeah, you
1:27:37
Speaker 1: have the two top point differential teams going after it
1:27:40
Speaker 1: each other in this game. But yeah, the Lions being
1:27:43
Speaker 1: at plus one eighty three the Bills being second at
1:27:45
Speaker 1: plus one twenty nine. Crazy differential there, even just for
1:27:48
Speaker 1: you know, seeing where the Lions are at. That ty
1:27:50
Speaker 1: is also a little bit kind of two into my
1:27:52
Speaker 1: third point, and I mentioned it last week for the
1:27:54
Speaker 1: Rams game, but I think this game it's even more
1:27:57
Speaker 1: important given who the Lions have, especially on the side
1:28:00
Speaker 1: of the ball. You have to limit the Lions studs
1:28:04
Speaker 1: on the offensive side. Again, I said it for the
1:28:06
Speaker 1: Rams game last week, but it was Less. I was like, okay,
1:28:08
Speaker 1: you just you can't let Matt Stafford have a Matt
1:28:11
Speaker 1: Stafford game where he's just pulling all these throws out
1:28:14
Speaker 1: of the hat. And he ended up pulling all these
1:28:15
Speaker 1: throws out of the hat. You can't let Pookinnakua go
1:28:17
Speaker 1: off and he went for like ten plus catches, like
1:28:19
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty plus yards, Like don't let cup
1:28:21
Speaker 1: go off. Don't let like but that's kind of it
1:28:24
Speaker 1: on that side. Defensively, I was like, you can't let
1:28:26
Speaker 1: Jared Verse beat you, and they didn't. So that was
1:28:28
Speaker 1: well done on that side of the ball. But for
1:28:30
Speaker 1: the Lions offense, like, yeah, you can't let Sonic and
1:28:34
Speaker 1: Knuckles won't both get going, like you can't have a
1:28:38
Speaker 1: hundred plus yard game from Montgomery and from Gabbs, Like
1:28:40
Speaker 1: don't you You have to limit And that's what gets
1:28:43
Speaker 1: so scary with the Lions and kind of talking to
1:28:45
Speaker 1: my other point earlier with like the pitches and what
1:28:47
Speaker 1: you got to look for, like, cause it's hard to
1:28:49
Speaker 1: limit all those dudes, So do you choose to Okay,
1:28:51
Speaker 1: we're gonna shut down the run. You know, maybe I'm
1:28:54
Speaker 1: on ra gets his but we're shutting down the run
1:28:56
Speaker 1: or is it I'm on ra and Laporta will get there,
1:29:00
Speaker 1: but no one else will or Jamo can get his
1:29:02
Speaker 1: Orf can have time like you have to.
1:29:04
Speaker 3: Kind of that's what the Lion's defense has been doing too,
1:29:07
Speaker 3: Like look at what they did to Jayden Reed's one target,
1:29:10
Speaker 3: no catch. I think he ended up leaving the game.
1:29:12
Speaker 3: But like, yeah, certain stars might go off against them,
1:29:16
Speaker 3: but everybody else is not going to do anything against
1:29:19
Speaker 3: them for their offense, you know, So the Lion's defense
1:29:21
Speaker 3: going to shut everybody else down. Can the Bills defense
1:29:24
Speaker 3: do that against the Lions this week? I think that's
1:29:26
Speaker 3: a great pull and a great point. Can they do that?
1:29:29
Speaker 3: Because if they cannot, it's gonna be a long day.
1:29:31
Speaker 3: I mean, just it is what it is. The truth is,
1:29:33
Speaker 3: the numbers are what the numbers are, and the records
1:29:35
Speaker 3: are what the records are. Not like I'm sitting here
1:29:38
Speaker 3: boasting about my team standing the best in the NFL,
1:29:41
Speaker 3: but record wise and point wise, yeah, they kind of are.
1:29:44
Speaker 3: But it can definitely happen to where they have maybe
1:29:47
Speaker 3: an off day or the Bills strategically get guys out
1:29:53
Speaker 3: of the normal game plan that they have and really
1:29:56
Speaker 3: force them into really tough spots. So I think that's
1:29:58
Speaker 3: a great point.
1:30:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's and that factors into just like how
1:30:02
Speaker 1: the Lions kind of are like once they get going,
1:30:06
Speaker 1: like they're so hard to stop. I mean they're hard
1:30:09
Speaker 1: to stop in general, but once like they start feeling it,
1:30:12
Speaker 1: and like the crowd is feeding off of it, like
1:30:16
Speaker 1: when the run gets going and I'm on Rad gets going,
1:30:19
Speaker 1: or the Porta makes a catch, like it just feels like,
1:30:22
Speaker 1: uh oh, here they go, and like you're behind that
1:30:24
Speaker 1: eight ball a little bit, and so when those dudes
1:30:26
Speaker 1: are like working it, it just hurts that much more.
1:30:29
Speaker 1: And yeah, you gotta find But again, now let's pick
1:30:32
Speaker 1: your poison. Okay, Like who do we choose to limit?
1:30:34
Speaker 1: How Taron Johnson is so good? Are you trusting Taron Johnson?
1:30:38
Speaker 1: Just be like okay, Tarn, like you gotta lock down.
1:30:42
Speaker 1: I'm on rock. But it's it's tough to double guys
1:30:45
Speaker 1: from the slot, and especially because the Bills aren't a
1:30:47
Speaker 1: lot of like a man coverage team. They're more zone based,
1:30:49
Speaker 1: So like, are you trusting tearing one on one? Are
1:30:52
Speaker 1: you trusting to do with covers? Do you try to
1:30:54
Speaker 1: take away to run like what you're playing for the
1:30:55
Speaker 1: porta like that at that and within all that, like
1:31:00
Speaker 1: I thought the Rams had three big studs, you know, Stafford,
1:31:03
Speaker 1: Cup and Nakua. Two of them went off. Stafford balled
1:31:05
Speaker 1: out and Pooka Balldo balled out. You can't let so
1:31:09
Speaker 1: that's a sixty percent roughly like sixty six percent. You
1:31:13
Speaker 1: can't have that type of hit rate again against the Lions.
1:31:15
Speaker 1: You can't let like Gibbs go off and I'm n
1:31:18
Speaker 1: RA and Jmo, like, You've got to limit it to
1:31:21
Speaker 1: two or one in some way, shape or form, Like
1:31:24
Speaker 1: you just can't let the talent beat you if they
1:31:25
Speaker 1: out scheme you and they beat you with structure and
1:31:29
Speaker 1: x's and o's, and you know, they hit you with
1:31:31
Speaker 1: a you know, some some run concept that completely gets
1:31:35
Speaker 1: you with the with the jet motion or the return
1:31:36
Speaker 1: or the orbit and you're faked out or out leverage.
1:31:39
Speaker 1: It sucks, but it's understandable. You can't also get beat
1:31:42
Speaker 1: on the individual talent level. It can't just be like
1:31:45
Speaker 1: multiple dudes are balling out like and this is a fantasy,
1:31:48
Speaker 1: like whoever has the Lions offensive guys in fantasy this
1:31:51
Speaker 1: week is going to be overjoyed because they're balling out.
1:31:54
Speaker 1: You gotta limit the studs. And I think that I
1:31:57
Speaker 1: usually say this for certain teams, but it's just really
1:32:00
Speaker 1: in my mind for that Rams game, because it was
1:32:03
Speaker 1: no disrespect to like Kyrine or Korum or Robinson, but
1:32:08
Speaker 1: that offense is really just like, don't let Stafford pull
1:32:11
Speaker 1: crazy throws out of the hat and don't let Pooka
1:32:14
Speaker 1: beat you or even Cup like that. And it's hard
1:32:16
Speaker 1: and they couldn't do that, and it's harder against the Lions. Now. Yeah,
1:32:21
Speaker 1: I just think that's a big one and a little
1:32:22
Speaker 1: bit of a scary one.
1:32:25
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:32:25
Speaker 1: That worries me, like that keeps me up. If I'm
1:32:27
Speaker 1: the Bills defense, Do you have another pointer? Have we gotten?
1:32:30
Speaker 1: We've gotten all three of yours.
1:32:32
Speaker 3: I think I'm good.
1:32:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, you had all three?
1:32:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had offense defense talked, run game talk, the
1:32:38
Speaker 3: passing game, talk the Lions defense to health.
1:32:41
Speaker 1: Oh whoa, hold on, hold on, I gotta bring up
1:32:43
Speaker 1: this comment here. Rick's always right says the Bills will
1:32:45
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl once this dude takes this Christmas
1:32:47
Speaker 1: tree down. First of all, this is now the Christmas Yeah,
1:32:51
Speaker 1: good call, Russ. Thank you that this is this is
1:32:53
Speaker 1: the Christmas tree. This is up for the Christmas season
1:32:56
Speaker 1: and holiday. This little guy stays up all year round,
1:32:59
Speaker 1: all year round, and the garland every month based on
1:33:01
Speaker 1: whatever holiday exists for that month. And I appreciate pops
1:33:04
Speaker 1: right here saying don't go after the trees. That's right.
1:33:06
Speaker 1: Do not go after the trees. Not do not. Oh
1:33:09
Speaker 1: Keaya Morris is the blue star on ants bigger tree
1:33:12
Speaker 1: looks like the buffering sei.
1:33:14
Speaker 3: I will say it has messed with me a couple
1:33:16
Speaker 3: of times. I'm like computer's jack though.
1:33:19
Speaker 1: That's a good call. I never noticed it. You know,
1:33:22
Speaker 1: it's funny. Now that I'm staring at it, I can't
1:33:24
Speaker 1: unstare at it. Like I'm just like hypnotized. I'm like lock,
1:33:27
Speaker 1: that's funny, well done, well done. I wanted to pull
1:33:31
Speaker 1: up another fun little graphic from our friends at bet
1:33:34
Speaker 1: us that ties into this matchup. Also ties into some
1:33:38
Speaker 1: MVP conversation stuff here, Russ. This graphic is for the
1:33:42
Speaker 1: passing touchdown leaders of twenty twenty four. Joe Burrow sits
1:33:45
Speaker 1: the top with thirty three, Lamar second at twenty nine,
1:33:48
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold Baker Mayfield tied to twenty eight, then Jared
1:33:52
Speaker 1: Goff at twenty five, Josh Allen at twenty three. Bet
1:33:56
Speaker 1: Us put this forward in terms of the conversation of
1:33:58
Speaker 1: you know, does Joe Burrow deserve to be in the
1:34:00
Speaker 1: MVP conversation for the year that he's had with Cincinnati,
1:34:04
Speaker 1: So kind of what are your thoughts in that? Do
1:34:05
Speaker 1: you think Burrow deserves to be in the MVP conversation?
1:34:08
Speaker 1: If you had an MVP vote, you know who you
1:34:10
Speaker 1: may be given it to. And then also, I think
1:34:12
Speaker 1: it's just fun to see this graphic and see that
1:34:14
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield are both in the top four,
1:34:18
Speaker 1: Like who would have predicted that? But yeah, what are
1:34:20
Speaker 1: your thoughts on kind of the MVP race and where
1:34:22
Speaker 1: it stands right now?
1:34:24
Speaker 3: Definitely leaning towards Saquon for sure, as as the MVP
1:34:30
Speaker 3: just because of what he's been able to do there
1:34:32
Speaker 3: in Philly really kind of revitalize his career. Kind of.
1:34:35
Speaker 3: I don't want to say he felt like he was
1:34:37
Speaker 3: done by any means, because he's so talented and gifted,
1:34:40
Speaker 3: but you know, to lead the NFL and rushing yards
1:34:43
Speaker 3: and to have the success that they're having in Philly
1:34:46
Speaker 3: a lot of that I think is due to him. Uh,
1:34:49
Speaker 3: And then you look at like, you know, Joe Burrow
1:34:52
Speaker 3: and that question that you're asking me. I know, he's
1:34:54
Speaker 3: leading the NFL in passing yards and passing touchdowns, and
1:34:58
Speaker 3: he's had a phenomenal year, and if quarter wins don't matter,
1:35:01
Speaker 3: then absolutely he should be in the conversation. But if
1:35:05
Speaker 3: they do matter, it is kind of tough for me
1:35:08
Speaker 3: to get behind that because he plays for a football
1:35:12
Speaker 3: team that's five and eight and is hanging onto a
1:35:15
Speaker 3: playoff birth by you know, the by his fingertip, you know.
1:35:19
Speaker 3: So overall though, yeah, I think it's probably down to
1:35:23
Speaker 3: Saquon and Josh Allen. I think Jared Goff's definitely definitely
1:35:27
Speaker 3: up there for a good reason Lamar, Yes, But outside
1:35:32
Speaker 3: of that, I think it would like, if I had
1:35:34
Speaker 3: to pick four, it would probably be Josh Allen, Saquan,
1:35:38
Speaker 3: Jared Goff Lamar, and then Joe Burrow's kind of right
1:35:41
Speaker 3: in there too.
1:35:42
Speaker 1: My thought, and I've said this since maybe like Week
1:35:45
Speaker 1: eight or nine, I really thought I thought Jared Goff
1:35:47
Speaker 1: was a big dark horse for MVP, and I thought
1:35:50
Speaker 1: this game between the Bills and Lions could go a
1:35:53
Speaker 1: long way towards like cementing the MVP vote for one
1:35:58
Speaker 1: or both of them potentially. Now my thought is, I
1:36:02
Speaker 1: really do think and I think a lot of people
1:36:03
Speaker 1: think this it's between Saquon and Allen, and but it's
1:36:08
Speaker 1: so hard for a non QB to win MVP, Like
1:36:11
Speaker 1: I really think two things have to happen. I think
1:36:13
Speaker 1: the Bills have to lose this game and maybe lose
1:36:17
Speaker 1: another one, like Allen has to start to play poor
1:36:20
Speaker 1: Barkley has to break Eric Dickerson's rushing record, like you
1:36:23
Speaker 1: have to do. The MVP is essentially a quarterback award,
1:36:26
Speaker 1: like you have to do something nuts to win it,
1:36:29
Speaker 1: not as a QB. Right, So if Alan, even if
1:36:33
Speaker 1: the Bills lose this game, if they have another loss
1:36:36
Speaker 1: against Detroit the way they had a loss against the Rams,
1:36:38
Speaker 1: where it's like thirty eight thirty five or forty one
1:36:40
Speaker 1: thirty eight, and Allen puts up five touchdowns and over
1:36:43
Speaker 1: four hundred total yards, again he's doing his thing, Like
1:36:45
Speaker 1: Allan would really have to fall apart and Saquon has
1:36:48
Speaker 1: to take it over for it to really swing. But again,
1:36:53
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna discount golf just because of the I
1:36:56
Speaker 1: think like the emotion of it, of the Lions having
1:36:59
Speaker 1: a good year, him putting up some numbers being the
1:37:01
Speaker 1: quarterback or the best offense, even though they have a
1:37:03
Speaker 1: ton of dudes around him as a supporting cast. It's
1:37:06
Speaker 1: always weird. The MVP, I think, has become more and
1:37:08
Speaker 1: more like the Heisman Trophy in the past couple of years,
1:37:12
Speaker 1: where like you need to have a moment or you
1:37:14
Speaker 1: need to have a cool thing like I think. For like,
1:37:17
Speaker 1: I'm not against Lamar winning the MVP last year. Like one,
1:37:20
Speaker 1: I don't really care who wins the MVP.
1:37:21
Speaker 3: Two.
1:37:22
Speaker 1: I think Lamar is awesome and if cool he won it.
1:37:24
Speaker 1: But I think that game against the Niners really solidified
1:37:28
Speaker 1: like the Niners were viewed as arguably the best team
1:37:30
Speaker 1: in football. The Ravens beat them, Lamar balled out, and
1:37:34
Speaker 1: those kind of lack of like other contenders. I feel
1:37:36
Speaker 1: like you need to have those moments and Alan having
1:37:39
Speaker 1: that run against Kansas City at the end of the
1:37:40
Speaker 1: game that beat Kansas City. How much he balled out
1:37:43
Speaker 1: against the Rams even though they lost. If the Bills
1:37:46
Speaker 1: go in and beat the Lions, you know, quarterback wins,
1:37:49
Speaker 1: even though they're not a thing matter. I feel like
1:37:51
Speaker 1: he can really wrap up the MVP if the Bills
1:37:54
Speaker 1: beat the Lions in Detroit. I feel like the MVP
1:37:56
Speaker 1: goes with Josh Allen and it would have to take
1:37:58
Speaker 1: a lot for it to not go in.
1:38:01
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I would agree with that, and I think
1:38:04
Speaker 3: and again, the only way, as you mentioned, the only
1:38:06
Speaker 3: way it kind of falls apart for Josh is if
1:38:09
Speaker 3: he absolutely falls off throws like two three picks a
1:38:13
Speaker 3: game and things like that. I will say, I kind
1:38:16
Speaker 3: of wish we could talk about Baker in this sense,
1:38:20
Speaker 3: but the Bucks are so up and down, and I
1:38:22
Speaker 3: know Baker leads the NFL and like turnover worthy plays
1:38:25
Speaker 3: for quarterbacks.
1:38:26
Speaker 1: Well, see what bothers me about that? Like I said
1:38:29
Speaker 1: it over the weekend, like if their offense stayed healthy, Yeah,
1:38:32
Speaker 1: I think it's a different conversation if Godwin stays healthy,
1:38:36
Speaker 1: Evans has been out, McMillan has been out, like those
1:38:39
Speaker 1: dudes that offense. Cohen is having a fun year. Graham
1:38:43
Speaker 1: Barton our boy who he joked about a million times
1:38:46
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, like, yeah, played well, Like they have
1:38:49
Speaker 1: a good O line. They have three sweet running backs too,
1:38:51
Speaker 1: really with Bucky and Rashad. If that offense stayed healthy.
1:38:54
Speaker 1: Like I really feel like I don't know if he's
1:38:58
Speaker 1: in the MVP conversation, but I could see Baker having
1:39:00
Speaker 1: just like crazy good numbers and the Bucks like being
1:39:03
Speaker 1: significantly ahead in the NFC South because of I mean,
1:39:06
Speaker 1: they're the one team who beat the Lions.
1:39:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they could do they could be a they
1:39:10
Speaker 3: could be a surprise team if they get in the playoffs.
1:39:12
Speaker 3: I think they will just because the way that division's going.
1:39:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, South the Falcon. The Falcons just don't seem the
1:39:18
Speaker 1: Falcons do the same thing every year, like they falcon,
1:39:20
Speaker 1: Like they just end up being mid and don't do
1:39:23
Speaker 1: what do you think they should do and lose the
1:39:25
Speaker 1: games that they should win. It's so inferior. I tweeted
1:39:28
Speaker 1: this too over the weekend, Like it doesn't matter the
1:39:30
Speaker 1: coach or the roster, the Falcons do the same thing
1:39:33
Speaker 1: every year, Like they're gonna be eight to nine or
1:39:35
Speaker 1: like seven and ten, they're gonna lead the South for
1:39:37
Speaker 1: a while and then end up finishing second and missing,
1:39:39
Speaker 1: like they do the same thing. Oh kay, Maury said it. Yeah,
1:39:42
Speaker 1: Falcons gonna falcon just like the Charger's gonna charge it. Yeah,
1:39:45
Speaker 1: I completely agree every friggin year. It's absolutely infuriating, but yeah,
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Speaker 3: I think I'm good man. I don't do score predictions.
1:40:45
Speaker 1: Are too superstitious.
1:40:46
Speaker 3: Yep, I did it once last year and never again.
1:40:50
Speaker 3: So thank you, Baltimore. Ravens. Yeah, no, I think I
1:40:56
Speaker 3: think I'm good man. I'm excited for this game. Been
1:40:58
Speaker 3: having it on the calendar since it dropped, been looking
1:41:01
Speaker 3: forward to doing this episode, which again, thank you as
1:41:04
Speaker 3: always for bringing me back and let me talk a
1:41:06
Speaker 3: little football. Enjoy the game, have fun, be safe. Detroit's
1:41:12
Speaker 3: a great place. It gets a bad rap like most
1:41:14
Speaker 3: big cities, but stay in the downtown part. It'll be
1:41:18
Speaker 3: perfectly fine. A lot of great food, a lot of
1:41:20
Speaker 3: great restaurants, a couple of casinos. Be degenerate. If I'm
1:41:24
Speaker 3: in the area, come say hello. If you reach out
1:41:27
Speaker 3: to me, we'll have a beer or something. But yeah, no,
1:41:30
Speaker 3: enjoy the game if you're going, and go Lions, Go Bills.
1:41:34
Speaker 1: Very nice, very nice. Quick comment question here from DF
1:41:37
Speaker 1: Forever says aunt quick question. If Josh Allen does not
1:41:39
Speaker 1: get the MVP, what does he need to do to
1:41:41
Speaker 1: get it? I don't know, man, it's so I mean,
1:41:46
Speaker 1: I see Russell, see you're shaking your head too so much.
1:41:49
Speaker 1: I don't want to say political, but so much of
1:41:51
Speaker 1: it is like like he would the Bills would have
1:41:54
Speaker 1: to get the one seed and he has to dominate like,
1:41:56
Speaker 1: I really do feel like this is the year for
1:41:58
Speaker 1: Allen to get the MVP, because one, I don't think
1:42:01
Speaker 1: anyone else is balling out, Like the Lions and Chiefs
1:42:05
Speaker 1: both have the best record, but Mahomes is having a
1:42:07
Speaker 1: down year for him and Goff isn't like the catalyst
1:42:12
Speaker 1: necessarily for that offense. Alan is the catalyst for a
1:42:16
Speaker 1: good team and has a bunch of primetime moments, heisman
1:42:20
Speaker 1: worthy moments. I really do feel like this has to
1:42:25
Speaker 1: be the year he would have to fall Like you said,
1:42:27
Speaker 1: he would have to fall apart for Alan to not
1:42:30
Speaker 1: get it, Like the Bills have to go on a loose,
1:42:32
Speaker 1: like they have to lose like one of the two
1:42:33
Speaker 1: games left against the Patriots, they have to lose that
1:42:36
Speaker 1: second game against the Jets. Like he's got to go
1:42:38
Speaker 1: like one touchdown, three interceptions in multiple games, Like he
1:42:42
Speaker 1: has to fall apart, like it should be. I think
1:42:44
Speaker 1: he's the betting favorite right now for MVP. Yeah, so yeah,
1:42:47
Speaker 1: I say, of course, you know that degenerate. Yeah, I
1:42:51
Speaker 1: feel like he'd have to fall apart, like he he.
1:42:54
Speaker 3: They would have to fall apart. I mean, just the
1:42:57
Speaker 3: and this is the hardest game left on the schedule,
1:43:00
Speaker 3: and there's no easy game in the NFL. But you
1:43:02
Speaker 3: follow with the Patriots, the Jets, the Patriots, I mean,
1:43:04
Speaker 3: you have.
1:43:05
Speaker 1: Close it out.
1:43:06
Speaker 3: You can close this out. So I think they'll I
1:43:09
Speaker 3: think he'll be okay, and I think at the end
1:43:11
Speaker 3: of the day, I think they'll end up getting it.
1:43:13
Speaker 1: I think so too. Pops with a cool question. He says,
1:43:15
Speaker 1: who's coach of the year. Do you have a coach
1:43:17
Speaker 1: of the year?
1:43:17
Speaker 3: I have one, Uh, I think everybody knows who might
1:43:21
Speaker 3: coach of the.
1:43:22
Speaker 1: Year, Dan Campbell. I would be fine with Campbell. I'd
1:43:25
Speaker 1: probably go with Kevin O'Connell.
1:43:28
Speaker 3: That's fair.
1:43:29
Speaker 1: McCarthy goes down. Everybody's like, what are you gonna get
1:43:31
Speaker 1: from Sam Donald? And he's out there having this courag
1:43:35
Speaker 1: I say, like he was just on the graphic. I'd
1:43:37
Speaker 1: probably go with O'Connell, just because if you and I
1:43:40
Speaker 1: know Donald is in terms of backup qbs. Donald even
1:43:44
Speaker 1: before this year is kind of at the higher end
1:43:46
Speaker 1: of the of the spectrum in terms of backup qbs.
1:43:50
Speaker 1: But I don't think anybody thought that they were going
1:43:53
Speaker 1: to be sitting here being having like the one of
1:43:55
Speaker 1: the best records in football and Sam Donald was going
1:43:58
Speaker 1: to be tied for third and passing touchdown and they
1:44:00
Speaker 1: were gonna fall like there was when McCarthy went down.
1:44:03
Speaker 1: I remember the fantasy conversation was like, well, now, what
1:44:06
Speaker 1: do you do with Justin Jefferson because Sam Donald's quarterback?
1:44:09
Speaker 1: Could he even get him the ball? YadA YadA, like
1:44:11
Speaker 1: that's such a And then also they they lost Darisaw
1:44:16
Speaker 1: they traded for Robins, So you lose your best offensive lineman,
1:44:19
Speaker 1: you lose the guy who you drafted high to be
1:44:21
Speaker 1: your quarterback, and you just turned Sam Donald into the
1:44:24
Speaker 1: comeback player of the year and let him ball the
1:44:26
Speaker 1: hell out like that. For me is kind of just
1:44:29
Speaker 1: what It's similar to, kind of what Stefanski did, you know,
1:44:32
Speaker 1: have not having you know, really any quarterback last year.
1:44:35
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that would be that's a good vote.
1:44:37
Speaker 3: I would agree with either one of those for sure.
1:44:39
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. One last question from Carl, who
1:44:42
Speaker 1: says what's better Detroit Pizza or Buffalo Wings? Any friendly
1:44:46
Speaker 1: bet for food between the two you? No friendly bet
1:44:49
Speaker 1: for food between the two of us. I've never had
1:44:51
Speaker 1: I don't know Little Caesars counts, but I've never had
1:44:53
Speaker 1: Detroit pizza.
1:44:55
Speaker 3: That's not Detroit pizza.
1:44:57
Speaker 1: I know, I know from Detroit tho.
1:45:01
Speaker 3: Man, it's the Detroit style deep dish.
1:45:03
Speaker 1: I've never had Detroy style deep dish I had. I've
1:45:05
Speaker 1: been to Chicago and had Chicago deep dish I was.
1:45:07
Speaker 1: I went to Detroit when I was little. I went to,
1:45:09
Speaker 1: Oh you like this. I went to Tiger's Carts the
1:45:13
Speaker 1: first year that co America Park opened, which is pretty sweet. Yep,
1:45:18
Speaker 1: pretty sweet. But I didn't. I don't think we got pizza.
1:45:21
Speaker 1: We did, I don't remember it. So I've never had
1:45:23
Speaker 1: Detroit style pizza.
1:45:24
Speaker 3: So when when you say Buffalo wings, what like do
1:45:27
Speaker 3: we just mean like.
1:45:27
Speaker 1: If I go wings from Buffalo?
1:45:30
Speaker 3: Yeah? Does that? Was that what that means? Because I've
1:45:32
Speaker 3: never had wings from Buffalo?
1:45:33
Speaker 1: I'm thinking it means, like, you like Detroit pizza, are
1:45:35
Speaker 1: like wings from buff So pizza from Detroit, Detroit style
1:45:37
Speaker 1: pizza or Buffalo style wings?
1:45:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I I have to say Detroit pizza
1:45:41
Speaker 3: because I've never been to Buffalo to have wings. I
1:45:44
Speaker 3: would love to go. I've thought about it many times.
1:45:47
Speaker 3: It's it's on the bucket list. We will definitely check
1:45:49
Speaker 3: it off in the near future. But uh, and I
1:45:52
Speaker 3: will get wings.
1:45:53
Speaker 1: I promise I will get wings. I promise. I like that.
1:45:56
Speaker 2: I like that.
1:45:57
Speaker 1: Oh, Dan Charles said, I don't. I don't want to.
1:46:00
Speaker 1: That's a role for a.
1:46:01
Speaker 3: Pizza that's messed up, dude.
1:46:04
Speaker 1: That was so I felt like I felt the anger.
1:46:06
Speaker 3: It's still not as it's it's better than Chicago pizza.
1:46:09
Speaker 3: I don't care what anybody says. That's a cast role.
1:46:11
Speaker 3: That is that's like loasagna.
1:46:13
Speaker 1: I felt like it's a great point. I felt like
1:46:15
Speaker 1: I was eating lasagna or like a like a lasagna pie.
1:46:18
Speaker 1: Like it was still good, but I didn't feel like
1:46:20
Speaker 1: I was eating pizza. Like I had to use like
1:46:22
Speaker 1: a fork and knife and it was really good. But
1:46:24
Speaker 1: I was like, this isn't for me. That's not pizza.
1:46:26
Speaker 1: It was still good.
1:46:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know. And I will say, like a
1:46:31
Speaker 3: New York slice. I've never been to New York to
1:46:33
Speaker 3: have a slice of pizza, but I was in it's
1:46:36
Speaker 3: for baseball and like old Italian joint type pizza riha,
1:46:40
Speaker 3: so kind of it's obviously not New York, so it
1:46:42
Speaker 3: was a little different, but it was still very good pizza.
1:46:45
Speaker 3: And I was like, Okay, I get what all the
1:46:47
Speaker 3: hype is about now. I like, I get it because
1:46:50
Speaker 3: here we only have Detroit Style or like the main chains,
1:46:53
Speaker 3: like there is no there's one guy, Freddy the Pizza
1:46:57
Speaker 3: Freddy the Pizza Man down in Melvindale. So people that
1:47:00
Speaker 3: are coming to Detroit for the game, Freddie the Pizza Man,
1:47:04
Speaker 3: check them out. Great food and it's relatively close, so
1:47:09
Speaker 3: uh check it out.
1:47:11
Speaker 1: I like the the common here from Joe who says, uh,
1:47:14
Speaker 1: there's a place in New York City that is Detroit
1:47:17
Speaker 1: Style and it's called Lions and Lions, Tigers and Squares.
1:47:21
Speaker 1: That is absolutely an elitely My favorite pizza spot in
1:47:25
Speaker 1: New York was Prince Street Pizza in Down and Down
1:47:29
Speaker 1: in soho.
1:47:29
Speaker 3: Oh.
1:47:29
Speaker 1: It's so good, big thick squares like Sicilian slices. Yeah. That,
1:47:35
Speaker 1: but I also feel like, I don't know, I like
1:47:36
Speaker 1: a lot of pizza spots.
1:47:37
Speaker 3: What you say, I'm getting hungry.
1:47:39
Speaker 1: Bro, I'm just saying you're thinking right now. I'm like, yeah,
1:47:41
Speaker 1: it's like ten fifty three and I'm like, damn, like
1:47:42
Speaker 1: I really want like some pizza.
1:47:44
Speaker 3: I want to pizza.
1:47:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do I get? How do I get the
1:47:48
Speaker 1: pizza into my mouth? Now speaking of that, Russ, I'm
1:47:52
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1:48:01
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1:48:03
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1:48:05
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1:48:09
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1:48:11
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