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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good E being welcome to the program.
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Speaker 3: Is what's coming up tonight on Kredline A moment in
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Speaker 3: history Today Charlie Kirk is remembered in Arizona. I'll show
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Speaker 3: you a reaction from inside that five hour memorial service.
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Speaker 3: And also what's next for Kirk's legacy is the battle
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Speaker 3: over free speech rages on. Another catastrophic outage at Opts.
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Speaker 3: Several deaths now linked to the failure, some six hundred
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Speaker 3: emergency calls simply not going through. So how nic does
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Speaker 3: this happen? Where's government? Where's the regulators? And most of all,
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Speaker 3: how do we prevent it ever happening again? Class Well
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Speaker 3: they all won't they That's how it all feels. Are
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Speaker 3: The PM, still waiting on a confirmed meeting with Donald Trump,
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Speaker 3: will get the latest as Albanese is in New York
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Speaker 3: this week spreaking.
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Speaker 2: His Green credentials.
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Speaker 3: But before all of that, the big news today is
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Speaker 3: Albany's an announcement that Australia has now formally recognized a
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Speaker 3: Palestinian state in the absence of freed hostages or peace.
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Speaker 3: For God's sakes, we are today recognizing terrorism. We'll stay
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Speaker 3: with that issue because Anthony Albernezi has picked a very
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Speaker 3: bad day today to formally recognize Palestine.
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Speaker 4: Effective today Sunday, the twenty first of September two thoyd
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Speaker 4: and twenty five, the Commnwealth of Australia recognizes the State
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Speaker 4: of Palestine.
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Speaker 3: And not only does a Jewish holiday of Rosa Shana
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Speaker 3: begin at sunset tonight, which marks the start of a
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Speaker 3: very special time in the Jewish New Year calendar, leading
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Speaker 3: to the most solemn holiday of Yom Kippur, but it's
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Speaker 3: also the same time as the terror group running Gaza
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Speaker 3: issued this new photograph of the remaining hostages, together with
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Speaker 3: the statement that they will never be released. This is
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Speaker 3: sheer psychological torture for the families as well as unspeakable
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Speaker 3: cruelty for the hostages. And as that as all of
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Speaker 3: that is, it's also the same day as Hamas has
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Speaker 3: also conducted a brutal public execution of three men it
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Speaker 3: accused of collaborating with Israel. A warning, please, this footage.
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Speaker 2: Is distressing.
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Speaker 5: A lot.
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Speaker 3: This is who Hamas is, the same organization elected by
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Speaker 3: Ghazans to be their government, the same brutal barbarians that
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Speaker 3: our government today has recognized and rewarded and show all
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's statement and recognizing Palasine means that HAMAS
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Speaker 3: should have no part in its government. But the reality
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Speaker 3: is that HAMAS has been in complete control of Gaza
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Speaker 3: for nearly two decades, up winning the only election ever
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Speaker 3: held there and then promptly executing its opponents. Who thinks
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Speaker 3: that will change when you have a whole population bred
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Speaker 3: from birth to hate the Jews and pledge death to
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Speaker 3: the West.
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Speaker 6: Through this parisi.
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Speaker 7: Pali signe.
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Speaker 3: Sadly, we'll law remember scenes like that even in Australia,
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Speaker 3: involving young children. Now I know our government's saying we've
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Speaker 3: done this in concert with Britain, France, Canada and New Zealand,
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Speaker 3: but that just shows that ours is not the only
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Speaker 3: government that's subordinating the national interest in what should be
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Speaker 3: Australian values to a growing Islamist voted amongst recent migrants
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Speaker 3: who put religious solidarity first for what is right is just.
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Speaker 3: This is a day of great shame for Australia. Now
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Speaker 3: by all means, let's one day have a two state solution,
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Speaker 3: but that can only happen if her mask, releases the
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Speaker 3: hostages and Palestinians renounce armed struggle and accept the right
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Speaker 3: of Israel to exist behind secure borders, which from day
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Speaker 3: one of Israel's existence they have resisted, They've argued against,
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Speaker 3: they've waged war against, and now they've killed innocence, slaughtering
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Speaker 3: babies and children even to prevent. As things stand, all
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Speaker 3: we've done today is reward terrorism, making it about the
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Speaker 3: most contemptible act I've ever seen from an Australian government.
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Speaker 3: I am today ashamed of what's been done in my
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Speaker 3: name as an Australian. This is nothing more than moralistic
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Speaker 3: posturing to all the wrong people, to a United Nations
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Speaker 3: at rewards and funds terrorism through its UNRA so called
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Speaker 3: relief agents, and to our Hamma's death cult that if
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Speaker 3: it had its way, would just as readily wage war
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Speaker 3: on its Muslim neighbors as Jews and Christians. The very
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Speaker 3: fact that Egy of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the UAA and
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Speaker 3: others have not opened their borders to the people of
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Speaker 3: Gaza should be a wake up call to the West
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Speaker 3: if only our week leaders would listen. Look more embarrassment
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Speaker 3: too today from government that is radically reorientating where we
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Speaker 3: stand in the world. The Prime Minister has gone overseas
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Speaker 3: yet again, this time as I say, to New York,
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Speaker 3: and has still not lined up a meeting with a
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Speaker 3: leader of our most important ally. He was happy to
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Speaker 3: spend six days in communist China and gush all over
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Speaker 3: President Jijika Ping in the theater of the Great Hall
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Speaker 3: of the People in Beijing, but he is not prepared
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Speaker 3: to land his jet in Washington. Is he to have
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Speaker 3: an oval office discussion with President Donald Trump instead? There maybe,
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Speaker 3: and it's a big maybe, a corridor conversation at the UN.
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Speaker 3: But still neither his office nor Ambassador Kevin Rudd have
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Speaker 3: been able to lock anything in. This is both embarrassing
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Speaker 3: and undignified. I could understand why Anthony Albaneze is scared
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Speaker 3: of a formal sit down with the president. He's wired,
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Speaker 3: isn't he that he could get a dressing down in
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Speaker 3: front of the cameras for a president who likes to
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Speaker 3: hold court in public? And the problem with Albaneze he
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Speaker 3: has is that any dressing down would be justified given
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Speaker 3: his shameful record on defense spending and today's shameful surrender
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Speaker 3: on Palestinian recognition. Honestly, there's nothing worse than a week leader.
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Speaker 3: If Albanese is so sure he's right, be that on
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Speaker 3: defense spending or Palestine, even last week's net zero's pellotry,
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Speaker 3: that he shouldn't be afraid to make his arguments face
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Speaker 3: to face with the President. No other Australian Prime minister
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Speaker 3: has been embarrassed or frightened of a formal meeting with
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Speaker 3: the leader of our greatest ally and principal security partner.
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Speaker 3: Couldn't get any more embarrassing.
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Speaker 7: Might add it.
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Speaker 3: Finally, over I that very moving memorial service for the
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Speaker 3: insassinated Conservative leader Charlie Kirk and vice presidents to defense chiefs.
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Speaker 3: They all took to the stage to celebrate his all
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Speaker 3: too short life of service.
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Speaker 8: He started turning point USA.
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Speaker 2: But this moment is.
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Speaker 8: The turning point for the USA.
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Speaker 9: He had one of the largest microphones in the entire
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Speaker 9: Conservative movement, and what did he do with it? Day
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Speaker 9: after day, week after week. He handed it to the
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Speaker 9: very people who opposed him.
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Speaker 10: Most may Our Heavenly Father give us the courage to
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Speaker 10: live as Charlie lived.
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Speaker 7: That is what we must do for or Charlie.
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Speaker 3: The craze gunman who ended Charlie's life. Wanted to shut
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Speaker 3: him down forever, but instead he's amplified his voice and
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Speaker 3: empowered his widow, Erica Kirk, to reaffirm her commitment to
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Speaker 3: the cause.
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Speaker 11: His passion was my passion, and now his mission is
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Speaker 11: my mission. Everything that Turning Point USA built through Charlie's
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Speaker 11: vision in hard work, we will make ten times greater
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Speaker 11: through the power of his memory. And yes, campus events.
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Speaker 10: Will continue, and we will continue to.
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Speaker 11: Hold debates in dialogue.
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Speaker 3: Around ninety five thousand people packed the Arizona Stadium today
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Speaker 3: for a five hour tribute to a crusader for Christian
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Speaker 3: faith and American patriotism. Online, some three and a half
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Speaker 3: million watched the service on Turning Point USA's live stream alone,
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Speaker 3: and many more millions around the world watch on networks
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Speaker 3: like our own Sky News. Charlie Kirk crossed borders. He
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Speaker 3: wasn't just an American fighting for American values. He was
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Speaker 3: a young man who reminded us all that our Judeo
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Speaker 3: Christian values are the foundation of Western civilization and are
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Speaker 3: under threat like never before. And rather than just talk
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Speaker 3: to people who agreed with him, he went into the
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Speaker 3: most left leaning campuses for over a decade challenging people
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Speaker 3: prove him wrong and think again he really was Daniel and.
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Speaker 2: The Lions Dan.
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Speaker 3: If anything, this is his legacy and it's something that's
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Speaker 3: relevant here in Australia as it is in the United States.
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Speaker 3: Where this will go now, I think it's too early
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Speaker 3: to tell, but what is for certain things will never
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Speaker 3: be the same in this generational fight for the values
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Speaker 3: that have built the West, and on these the last
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Speaker 3: word must go to Erica Kirk for her incredible generosity,
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Speaker 3: for her Christian love in these comments today.
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Speaker 12: That man, that young man, I forgive him.
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Speaker 11: I forgive him because it was what Christ did and
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Speaker 11: is what Charlie would do. The answer to.
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Speaker 12: Hate is not hate.
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Speaker 11: The answer we know from the Gospel is love and
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Speaker 11: always love.
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Speaker 3: How she did that I will ever know. Well, let's
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Speaker 3: go to Camper now for the headlines. Scan is political
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Speaker 3: reporter Cameraden.
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Speaker 10: Good Evening. Australia has formally recognized a state of Palestine
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Speaker 10: at the United Nations in New York.
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Speaker 4: And in doing so we reaffirm Australia's long standing position
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Speaker 4: of two states, the State of Israel and the State
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Speaker 4: of Palestine.
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Speaker 13: I have a clear message to those leaders who recognize
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Speaker 13: a Palestinian state after the terrible mascare of October seventh,
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Speaker 13: you are giving a huge praise to terrorism.
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Speaker 14: Do you can see there's a chance it makes no
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Speaker 14: difference to achieving peace or even backfires. For example, Israel
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Speaker 14: could annex the West Bank or take some sort of action.
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Speaker 15: No, I don't.
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Speaker 4: This is a positive move forward and what it indicates
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Speaker 4: is a signal that the world is getting together and
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Speaker 4: saying enough is enough.
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Speaker 10: Optus is facing significant consequences, potentially large fines, for failing
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Speaker 10: to notify customers or authorities of last week's triple zero outage.
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Speaker 3: Optis has perpetuated an enormous failure upon the Australian people.
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Speaker 2: People have a right to be lived.
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Speaker 1: In this case, we did not know that something had
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Speaker 1: gone wrong until the matter had been resolved more than
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Speaker 1: ten hours later.
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Speaker 10: A review Interopta's last major outage in twenty twenty three
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Speaker 10: resulted in a twelve million dollar fine and a review
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Speaker 10: with eighteen recommendations, but only twelve have been implemented in full.
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Speaker 10: One of those left outstanding is the establishment of a
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Speaker 10: triple zero custodian who'd keep the system under close watch.
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Speaker 16: It would have meant that we would have had another
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Speaker 16: layer of safety.
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Speaker 10: Inflation may have come down, but the Reserve Bank WARN's
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Speaker 10: higher prices will be here to stay. The higher price
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Speaker 10: level has affected everyone.
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Speaker 17: While inflation has fallen materially, the price level is not
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Speaker 17: coming back down.
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Speaker 10: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 3: All Right, lots happening here and Oversese as you can see.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now, Sky News political contributor Chris Yorman. Chris
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Speaker 3: will start with the big global news of today, Australia
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Speaker 3: joining of course Canada, the UK and others to formally
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Speaker 3: recognize Palestidian. This has caused a lot of anks, with
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Speaker 3: top Republicans warning out of they albinezy that recognize in
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Speaker 3: Palestine risks punitive measures against Australia.
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Speaker 2: Chris, We're under pressure on.
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Speaker 3: So many fronts this alliance, and we'll get to the
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Speaker 3: whole meeting of will there won't there be a meeting
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Speaker 3: between our Prime minister and the president. But I'm sure
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Speaker 3: you heard my views at the top of the show.
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Speaker 3: This only rewards the terrorists. I know we knew this
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Speaker 3: was coming, but I am just very, very sad to
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Speaker 3: see this day today.
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Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi Peter talked about sending a signal. Let's not
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Speaker 1: forget that the primary signal that's being sent by the
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Speaker 1: prime ministers of Canada, the United Kingdom and Australia is
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Speaker 1: to a domestic political audience, and a very particular one.
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Speaker 1: In fact, they're political parties. There'd be a revolution inside
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Speaker 1: the Labor Party's caucus in Australia and certainly in the
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Speaker 1: United Kingdom if they had not gone down this path.
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Speaker 1: So that's why the signals being sent. It's a political gesture.
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Speaker 1: It will shift nothing on the ground, but what it
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Speaker 1: is being seen as by Hamas is a political victory.
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Speaker 1: And that tells you something that you need to know
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Speaker 1: about the kind of people that we are dealing with,
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Speaker 1: and that is they were prepared to forfeit the lives
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Speaker 1: of everyone in Gaza to achieve the end of discrediting
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Speaker 1: the state of Israel, and on that front they have
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Speaker 1: been very successful. So this is what victory looks like
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Speaker 1: to Harmas. I would say this though Benjamin Nettyah, who
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Speaker 1: needed to take this into account in his response in Gaza.
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Speaker 1: We need to know what victory looks like to Benjamin
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Speaker 1: net Yahoo and when he will make an end to
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Speaker 1: the war in Gaza and hopefully begin to build some
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Speaker 1: bridges to the rest of the world.
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Speaker 3: Let's have a look at this grab from the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister today about his prohibition.
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Speaker 2: His precondition.
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Speaker 3: He says in the recognition of Palestine that Hamas can
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Speaker 3: take no future role in Gaza or a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 2: Have listened.
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Speaker 4: Now, well, they're all determine those further steps are determined
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Speaker 4: on the moves going forward, including the commitments that have
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Speaker 4: been given by the Palestinian authority that Hamas play no role.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so he bumbles his way through it today. But
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Speaker 3: how does this stop Hamas having a role. The people
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Speaker 3: voted for Hamas last time. Even if the entity is
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Speaker 3: not called Hummas on the ballot paper, it'll have the
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Speaker 3: same Islamist sentiment. This is generational hatred being bred in
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Speaker 3: the West Bank and in Gaza. You know that I've
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Speaker 3: been to the West Bank. I know exactly what it's like.
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Speaker 3: I went to meet officials in the West Bank, I
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Speaker 3: might add Palestinian officials, and I had to walk past
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Speaker 3: this huge monument bearing the names of people that had
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Speaker 3: blown themselves up in the name of Islam, and they
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Speaker 3: were commemorated and the families were given pensions. Now, how
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Speaker 3: on earth is Albaneze going to be able to stop
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Speaker 3: them taking control? Now they've got this un commitment, this
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Speaker 3: global commitment to a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 1: Well, as you say, Peter, the last time that there
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Speaker 1: was an election there that what we saw was Maaswan
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Speaker 1: have beat the Palestinian authority. So that the Australian government
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Speaker 1: and the British government, the Canadian government and one hundred
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Speaker 1: and forty other governments can say that they want to
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Speaker 1: deal with the Palestinian authority, but if it's not delivered
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Speaker 1: to them in the shape of an election by the
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Speaker 1: people of Palestine, then they're not going to get it.
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Speaker 1: So the thing begins to fall apart as soon as
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Speaker 1: you begin to question what might happen in that part
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Speaker 1: of the world. Look, look, the whole of the Middle
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Speaker 1: East is a never ending tragedy. To me, I am
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Speaker 1: a lifelong supporter of the State of Israel. I will
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Speaker 1: remain committed to the State of Israel. But I do
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Speaker 1: think that one of the things that we need to
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Speaker 1: see now from Israel is where do we go to
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Speaker 1: from here? How do we end this war? How do
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Speaker 1: we begin to try and rebuild some of the bridges
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Speaker 1: that have been burned.
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Speaker 3: Well, we release the hostages, Chris, I mean that has
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Speaker 3: to be a precondition, and that has been walked away from.
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Speaker 1: Well, there's no intention, as you know, Peter, they've said it.
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Speaker 1: They're never going to release those hostages. That was the
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Speaker 1: only bargaining chip that they had. So they will die
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Speaker 1: along with a whole lot more gardens because of this.
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Speaker 1: And our maskets precisely the kind of world that it wants.
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Speaker 1: But if the Australian government believes that it can influence
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Speaker 1: that world in any way, shape or form, that it's
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Speaker 1: not been watching the way that the world actually works.
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Speaker 3: All right, Well, this much anticipated meeting, we know that
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Speaker 3: our Prime minister doesn't want to showdown in the Oval Office.
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Speaker 2: Our prime minister can fly.
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Speaker 3: All around the world, but he's not going to Washington
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Speaker 3: for a sit down with the President. The best they
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Speaker 3: can hope for is something around the margins of the
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Speaker 3: UN General Assembly in New York this week.
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Speaker 11: There was.
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Speaker 2: I read a bit of light.
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Speaker 3: A shadow that there might be a meeting in comments
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Speaker 3: he made to Andrew Klanell.
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Speaker 14: Have listen, are you definitely not having a formal biolate
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Speaker 14: with Donald Trump this week.
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Speaker 4: Well, we'll wait and see, but I won't be pre
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Speaker 4: emptying those issues. We of course I look forward to
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Speaker 4: meeting with President Trump at some states. We've had four
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Speaker 4: constructive discussions. I'll see him tomorrow night at the function
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Speaker 4: that he's hosting.
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Speaker 3: I'll look at that and I think we look like
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Speaker 3: a third rate big player Chinese lackey. If I'm kind,
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Speaker 3: I mean the idea that we cannot have a meeting
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Speaker 3: after all this time with our biggest ally because our
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Speaker 3: guy has.
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Speaker 2: No weight in the room. I'm just ashamed.
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Speaker 1: Chris, Yeah, I think one of the issues here too
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Speaker 1: is do not forget that the labor government, particularly atne
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Speaker 1: Albaneasy made much during the federal election campaign of essentially
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Speaker 1: trying to tie the coalition to a Donald Trump America.
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Speaker 1: That wasn't lost on the Americans, and then during his
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Speaker 1: curtain lecture he did it again, essentially when he was
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Speaker 1: dog whistling the fact that of the two big presidents
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Speaker 1: that he has to deal with, the one from China
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Speaker 1: and the one from the United States, was the one
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Speaker 1: from the United States which appeared to bother him most. Now,
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Speaker 1: none of that will have been lost in the White House,
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Speaker 1: and that's why we find ourselves in partly in the
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Speaker 1: predicament that we're in. But again I would add this
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Speaker 1: as well. Donald Trump is a particularly mercurial character, so
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Speaker 1: dealing with him is going to never be easy at
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Speaker 1: the best of times. You have to take that into account,
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Speaker 1: particularly when we depend so heavily on the United States
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Speaker 1: for our own defense.
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Speaker 3: Chris, we knew this going in, right, We saw a
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Speaker 3: dress rehearsal of what he'd be like at president the
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Speaker 3: last time he was in the job. We knew not
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Speaker 3: to poke the bear. We knew to treat him with
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Speaker 3: respect in the time he was out of office because
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Speaker 3: there was every indication he was.
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Speaker 2: Going to run again. Our Prime minister knew all of this.
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Speaker 3: He knew he was ahead in the polls, and he's
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Speaker 3: still when after Donald Trump in the election campaign to
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Speaker 3: score points off Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 2: And now we reap what we sew.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And the problem that we've got is that
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Speaker 1: we are, as I've just said, really deeply dependent on
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Speaker 1: the United States for our immediate defense, and by immediate
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Speaker 1: defense I mean in the next few years. Yes, there
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Speaker 1: is some build up of the Australian defense force, but
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Speaker 1: nowhere near what we need, and our actual defense from
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Speaker 1: that will come from the United States, by the way
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Speaker 1: of the fact that we're going to have ever larger
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Speaker 1: rotations of troops and ships through Australia. So we are
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Speaker 1: defiant in word, it seems to me, but absolutely dependent indeed,
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Speaker 1: and the Australian government needs to get its head around that.
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Speaker 3: Let's go into the big announcement on Thursday. You and
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Speaker 3: I talked a long time and speculated about what those
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Speaker 3: targets for twenty thirty five might be. That the you know,
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Speaker 3: the mothership has landed. They're a shoka no detail though
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Speaker 3: in terms of financials. We'll get into the crab walk
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Speaker 3: away from power, price relief for household in a moment.
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Speaker 3: But your top line view, Chris, what did you think
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Speaker 3: of Thursday's twenty thirty five announcement.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's a dangerous delusion. And I can put aside
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Speaker 1: to a certain extent of political party holding dangerous delusions.
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Speaker 1: But this is the thing that deeply disturbs me, Peter,
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Speaker 1: is there is an institutional betrayal of the Australian people
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Speaker 1: by almost all of the agencies of state. Now why
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Speaker 1: do I say that, Because I've gone through and I
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Speaker 1: have read the reports that they produce to try and
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Speaker 1: drive us towards the position that the government adopted in
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Speaker 1: the end, starting with the apparent science, the risk assessment,
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Speaker 1: they left out, deliberately left out and distorted information about
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Speaker 1: heat related deaths and a whole lot of other things
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Speaker 1: to paint an apocalyptic picture of the future which simply
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Speaker 1: doesn't stand up under any kind of scrutiny. And Australia's Treasury,
21:30
Speaker 1: that once hallowed institution, you know what it did when
21:34
Speaker 1: it went around modeling the emissions reductions of countries? What
21:38
Speaker 1: did it put into the United States? The numbers from
21:40
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, Well, what's happened since then? Donald Trump's
21:44
Speaker 1: been elected president in the entire world has shifted on
21:47
Speaker 1: its axis. Because of that, they're no longer in the
21:49
Speaker 1: Paris Agreement. So how can we have any confidence at
21:53
Speaker 1: all in any numbers that have churned out the other
21:55
Speaker 1: end when these things are clearly polemics.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to this crab walk I mentioned then about
22:03
Speaker 3: power price relief from Chris Bow and have a listen.
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Speaker 4: We're already starting to see early signs about having an impact,
22:10
Speaker 4: but we'll see more with an extra.
22:11
Speaker 1: Fort market offer.
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Speaker 7: We'll see that play out.
22:13
Speaker 2: We'll see the prices come down.
22:14
Speaker 4: Well, we'll see it play out.
22:16
Speaker 2: Overcoming issue.
22:19
Speaker 3: He's also refused to commit to any sort of new
22:21
Speaker 3: renewable energy target by twenty thirty five. We know it's
22:25
Speaker 3: eighty two percent of the power mixed by twenty thirty
22:28
Speaker 3: nothing to say yet. On twenty thirty five today he
22:31
Speaker 3: also said I'm open to spending more. So the checkbook
22:33
Speaker 3: is still out for a lot of these foreign renewable firms.
22:37
Speaker 3: But what do you make of the fact that whenever
22:39
Speaker 3: saw the two hundred and seventy five dollars per annum
22:41
Speaker 3: that he promised, and now the relief that was in
22:43
Speaker 3: the budget potentially there on Thursday, that thirteen percent drop
22:47
Speaker 3: that's gone already.
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Speaker 1: Well, Chris Baren has just underlining the fact, Peter that
22:52
Speaker 1: he has no confidence in the modeling that's put out
22:54
Speaker 1: by his agencies either. And in this case the Australian
22:57
Speaker 1: Energy Market Commission again supposed to be looking after our interests.
23:01
Speaker 1: It says that there'll be Nevada in a few years time.
23:03
Speaker 1: Where are there one thousand dollars a year off every
23:06
Speaker 1: single bill? But what doesn't it say, Well, it didn't
23:09
Speaker 1: use in any of its modeling the fact that you
23:10
Speaker 1: have to pay tens of thousands of dollars in upfront
23:13
Speaker 1: costs to electrify. It didn't say anything about that. On
23:15
Speaker 1: the same page as it said that there would be
23:17
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars drop and electricity prices, it said there
23:20
Speaker 1: was a possibility it might go up by one hundred dollars.
23:23
Speaker 1: And by the way, it points out the fact that
23:25
Speaker 1: we are now going into a divided Australia, there will
23:27
Speaker 1: be the energy has that people have, evs, batteries, solar panels,
23:31
Speaker 1: and the energy have nots, and they will include the
23:34
Speaker 1: poorest people in Australia, the people who rent, the people
23:37
Speaker 1: who are apartments, the people who cannot afford this transition.
23:40
Speaker 1: A big part of the energy transition, by the way
23:42
Speaker 1: that the government has us on track for is you
23:45
Speaker 1: spending Australian households spending lots and lots of money in
23:50
Speaker 1: order to deliver your own electricity and to write off
23:53
Speaker 1: the capital cost and then say you've now got cheap power.
23:56
Speaker 1: You couldn't make this stuff up.
24:00
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what my audience loved you on the
24:01
Speaker 3: program Chris. But if they were smart, if Label was smart,
24:03
Speaker 3: if Australia was smart, they'd sack McKean and put you
24:07
Speaker 3: in the top job there and get some reality into
24:10
Speaker 3: some of these forecasts. But I don't reckon that's going
24:12
Speaker 3: to happen in it in a quick time anyway, Thank
24:14
Speaker 3: you for tonight. Let's return now to Charlie Kirk's memorial.
24:18
Speaker 3: Sky NYE first Edition host Pete Stepanovik was on the
24:21
Speaker 3: ground and he foiled this report.
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Speaker 5: No one could quite possibly imagine how difficult things are
24:28
Speaker 5: at the moment for Erica Kirk, the widow of Charlie Kirk,
24:32
Speaker 5: eleven days after he was gunned down by an assassin's bullet.
24:37
Speaker 5: It was a bullet that killed not just her husband,
24:40
Speaker 5: but it killed the father of her two children. And
24:43
Speaker 5: today she mustered the strength to forgive her husband's killer.
24:50
Speaker 18: I forgive him.
25:03
Speaker 5: It was a day of unification in other parts as well,
25:06
Speaker 5: because you saw the return of Elon Musk to Donald
25:10
Speaker 5: Trump's fold. Elon Musk, the Tesla boss, was seen talking
25:14
Speaker 5: to the President. They were shaking hands. They seemed to
25:17
Speaker 5: be in good spirits. Perhaps they've moved on from the
25:21
Speaker 5: friction and trouble that they experienced together during their time
25:25
Speaker 5: at the White House. But the significance of this event
25:29
Speaker 5: also attracted other members of the Trump administration. There was
25:33
Speaker 5: the US Vice President JD. Vance, Pete, Hegseth, Marco Rubio,
25:38
Speaker 5: who were all friends of Charlie Kirk as well. And
25:41
Speaker 5: it wasn't just those members of the White House, it
25:44
Speaker 5: was friends of Charlie Kirk's who were there in those
25:47
Speaker 5: final moments where he was killed. There was this stunning
25:52
Speaker 5: and terribly sad witness testimony in the final moments of
25:56
Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk's life.
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Speaker 9: Charlie was already gone. His face was looking at mine,
26:02
Speaker 9: but he wasn't looking at me. He was looking past me,
26:06
Speaker 9: right into eternity. And if it's any comfort at all,
26:11
Speaker 9: I learned later that Charlie felt no pain. He died instantly,
26:18
Speaker 9: but we had to try and bring him back.
26:20
Speaker 1: We couldn't save them.
26:22
Speaker 5: As I mentioned, there were sixty thousand people or thereabouts
26:25
Speaker 5: who filled this stadium today. That's the capacity as well,
26:28
Speaker 5: And for the most part, they stayed for the entire
26:32
Speaker 5: five hours of the program. They hung on all the words,
26:36
Speaker 5: all the experiences, all the memories from those people who
26:41
Speaker 5: gave their speeches today. But for so many people, they
26:43
Speaker 5: just wanted to be a part of it because Charlie
26:45
Speaker 5: Kirk meant so much to them. These are some of
26:48
Speaker 5: the people who I spoke to.
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Speaker 8: Charlie was so smart that he wasn't going after the
26:56
Speaker 8: old people. He was going after the young people. And
26:59
Speaker 8: the young people are the only ones that can turn
27:02
Speaker 8: this for us.
27:02
Speaker 15: Celebrating Charlie's life, we were both a big watch with
27:06
Speaker 15: the Charlie and believe in the words that he was
27:09
Speaker 15: putting out there about God, challenging the college students out
27:14
Speaker 15: there get him to think, as.
27:16
Speaker 2: A young American, how important was he for you?
27:20
Speaker 12: He meant the world to me.
27:21
Speaker 9: I listened to his podcast. Any Chance I Got You
27:24
Speaker 9: was what got me when me fall in love with politics.
27:26
Speaker 12: That's what I'm studying in school. Just means absolutely the
27:29
Speaker 12: world to me.
27:30
Speaker 5: But as Erica Kirk said, this is not the end
27:33
Speaker 5: of Turning Point. Erica Kirk will now continue her husband's legacy.
27:38
Speaker 5: She will be the CEO of Turning Point, and she
27:41
Speaker 5: says she'll turn it into something greater, and yes, Turning
27:45
Speaker 5: Point will return to college campus debates.
27:50
Speaker 3: Thank you, Pete Stephan I think I'll tell you what
27:52
Speaker 3: ericakirk Ivan night was extraordinary. I'm Christian like the Kirks,
27:57
Speaker 3: and I would hope that I could say that love
28:00
Speaker 3: would triumph over hate. To say it as opposed to
28:05
Speaker 3: actually doing it like she did, well, I think that
28:09
Speaker 3: speaks volumes for her faith.
28:11
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's a very different thing, isn't it?
28:15
Speaker 15: All right?
28:15
Speaker 3: Still, come yet another catastrophic outage at optors linked out
28:18
Speaker 3: to several deaths. How did this happen? Where's the regulators?
28:22
Speaker 3: And how the heck do we stop it happening again?
28:24
Speaker 3: We'll speak to a tech expert after break Welcome back,
28:32
Speaker 3: We'll speak to a security expert as to wine Labour's
28:34
Speaker 3: recognition today of Palestine will only advantage the terrorists At first,
28:40
Speaker 3: More bad us for er Optus a serious outage last
28:43
Speaker 3: week which disrupted more than six thousand emergency calls across
28:46
Speaker 3: South Australia, WA and the Northern Territory. Emergency chiefs have
28:51
Speaker 3: already leaked this outage to multiple deaths in these jurisdictions,
28:56
Speaker 3: But what perhaps most troubling are all the revelations that
28:59
Speaker 3: opts chiefs kept the whole thing from the authorities and
29:03
Speaker 3: the public for more than twenty four hours.
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Speaker 2: Now, this is unbelievable.
29:08
Speaker 3: Here to explain what happened, and a bit more detailed
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Speaker 3: than that, Tech Guide editor Stephen Fennick. Stephen, we'll get
29:15
Speaker 3: into the silence from Optics in a moment, but in
29:17
Speaker 3: technical terms, explain what happened.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Hi, Peter.
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Speaker 19: This was a routine network upgrade, so we're talking hardware upgrade,
29:28
Speaker 19: so where parts of the network equipment was updated right
29:32
Speaker 19: from the servers all the way through to the towers
29:35
Speaker 19: that was installed and software upgrade at the same time.
29:39
Speaker 19: And what they was commenced about twelve thirty am on Thursday,
29:44
Speaker 19: and what they saw at the time was that they
29:47
Speaker 19: saw the network call volumes were as normal, not at
29:51
Speaker 19: that point not realizing that Triple zero had been that
29:54
Speaker 19: connection had been severed. And the other fault that occurred
29:59
Speaker 19: is the fact that one of their systems alerted them
30:01
Speaker 19: to that issue. So to compound that problem, what normally
30:06
Speaker 19: happens in the event of your network not being able
30:09
Speaker 19: to connect to Triple zero, then there is a redundancy
30:12
Speaker 19: where you are then directed to another network. So if
30:14
Speaker 19: you're an Optus customer and that's not connecting you it'd
30:17
Speaker 19: send you to Telstraw Vodaphone to then complete that connection.
30:21
Speaker 19: That failed as well, so that they were receiving calls
30:26
Speaker 19: to the offshore call centers. I understand that there was
30:29
Speaker 19: about five or six calls made from customers saying that
30:32
Speaker 19: the triple zero is not working, and the overseas call
30:35
Speaker 19: center didn't act on that information until much later, and
30:39
Speaker 19: it was unfortunately by that point with four people had
30:42
Speaker 19: lost their lives.
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Speaker 3: The South Australian Premier Peedter Malanasco said it was actually
30:48
Speaker 3: their ambulance officers in that state who alerted the government
30:52
Speaker 3: to the failure. It wasn't that optus rang the premier. Now,
30:55
Speaker 3: in another life, I was the chiefest staff for the
30:57
Speaker 3: Communications Minister, so I know that this is one of
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Speaker 3: the most regulated sectors we have in the country. So
31:03
Speaker 3: where was the government here, Steven? Where were the regulators?
31:07
Speaker 3: We know there was a report from similar failures in
31:09
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. Not every item's being adopted. The big
31:13
Speaker 3: item in relation to failures for these triple zero calls
31:17
Speaker 3: that is still outstanding. So you can talk about fines
31:21
Speaker 3: all your like, how do we stop this happening again?
31:25
Speaker 19: Well, you mentioned twenty twenty three, that outage was a
31:29
Speaker 19: network wide outage, and not all outages are the same,
31:32
Speaker 19: so that this outage was probably markedly different to the
31:36
Speaker 19: twenty twenty three outage, despite the fact that it resulted
31:40
Speaker 19: in the same inconvenience and in this case the Triple
31:43
Speaker 19: zero disconnection. So I think the timing of it too.
31:47
Speaker 19: Like we were told, OPTA said, well, their first reaction
31:50
Speaker 19: was they had to conduct the welfare checks. So they
31:53
Speaker 19: were bringing the more than six hundred people who'd been
31:55
Speaker 19: cut off from Triple zero in an effort to find
31:58
Speaker 19: out that they are okay. Was what, according to OPTUS,
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Speaker 19: delayed the contact with the government the regulators, and why
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Speaker 19: the press conference step that afternoon.
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Speaker 3: Can I just jump in there, because you and I
32:12
Speaker 3: know how this works, You could do that. In parallel,
32:15
Speaker 3: the CEO can ring the government, they can let you know,
32:17
Speaker 3: the regulatory officer at Optics can ring Akma, the regulator
32:21
Speaker 3: and tell them what's gone. In the same time, you've
32:24
Speaker 3: got a whole lot of Optive staff hitting the phones
32:26
Speaker 3: and ringing the six hundred customers. They were trying, I think,
32:29
Speaker 3: to ring the customers to shut this down to all
32:33
Speaker 3: the pr nightmare that the last oubage.
32:35
Speaker 19: Was Yeah, no, absolutely no. There was the way the
32:38
Speaker 19: last outage was handled, I think it was it was
32:41
Speaker 19: a you could write a textbook on how not to
32:43
Speaker 19: handle a crisis, So that this time around, I think
32:45
Speaker 19: they were trying to overcompensate and try to do as
32:48
Speaker 19: much as they can and there's little time to try
32:50
Speaker 19: to be not only do the right thing, but also
32:52
Speaker 19: to try to maintain some sort of transparency with the
32:55
Speaker 19: media as well and the public. So yeah, I think
32:58
Speaker 19: that they were torn between the the tasks that had
33:01
Speaker 19: to be done in a short space of time, and
33:03
Speaker 19: unfortunately they didn't They didn't complete that in a timely
33:07
Speaker 19: manner and alert the right people.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so back to my first point, where to now?
33:15
Speaker 3: I mean, I think people are going to have a
33:17
Speaker 3: lot of concerns about trust in Optus. I can absolutely
33:22
Speaker 3: understand that. But how do we get to a situation
33:24
Speaker 3: where the backup fails, not just the primary method that
33:28
Speaker 3: people were disconnected from, the triple zero you know, switchboard,
33:32
Speaker 3: but also the backup you say, failed, How do we
33:35
Speaker 3: stop that happening again?
33:37
Speaker 19: Well, as I said, one outage is not the same
33:42
Speaker 19: as another outage, and we're seeing here that it is
33:44
Speaker 19: quite different to what happened in twenty twenty three. So
33:48
Speaker 19: having they've already conducted an investigation, they're already called for
33:52
Speaker 19: independent investigators as well, so that they can draw their
33:55
Speaker 19: own conclusions and not just rely on what Optics comes
33:58
Speaker 19: up with. So I think before there's any decisions on
34:02
Speaker 19: whether people should stand down, it should be noted Stephen
34:05
Speaker 19: Rousseli in the job less than a year. He took
34:07
Speaker 19: up the post back in November, and he actually restructured
34:11
Speaker 19: the management team and put all these new protocols in
34:14
Speaker 19: place after what had occurred two years ago. So again
34:20
Speaker 19: there's more learnings to be had from this investigation about
34:23
Speaker 19: how they can move forward and hopefully avoid this happening again.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of trust in them all the
34:30
Speaker 3: regulator at the moment. I'll leave it there, Stephen, thank you.
34:33
Speaker 3: We'll stay on that.
34:34
Speaker 2: I say, a long, vast.
34:36
Speaker 3: Experience in this communications area and the system is meant
34:39
Speaker 3: to stop this happening. So government's got some serious questions
34:43
Speaker 3: to answering in Canberra all right after the break reaction
34:45
Speaker 3: from a security expert on Labor's decision today to recognize Palestine,
34:50
Speaker 3: plus the complete diplomatic failure, p ANDNG and China's influence.
34:54
Speaker 3: But those ridiculous comments from Victorian Premier just Into Alan
34:59
Speaker 3: saying that her values align with those of President.
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Speaker 2: G half the rate.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back and news poll out Todays saying that susainly
35:11
Speaker 3: has a growing problem with male voters. Now, if the
35:14
Speaker 3: global trend is that more and more young men in
35:16
Speaker 3: particular are turning to conservative politics, what does it say about.
35:21
Speaker 2: The Australian liberals.
35:22
Speaker 3: Let's go back to that issue though, on Palestine and
35:25
Speaker 3: its recognition today by Australia and others, condemned around the
35:28
Speaker 3: world by Jewish groups here in Australia as well, and
35:32
Speaker 3: the Coalition who say it's a dangerous concession to terrorists
35:37
Speaker 3: here to pull the path strategic and alysis. Australia Director
35:40
Speaker 3: Michael Schubridge Well Marco Rubio, US Secretary of State said
35:45
Speaker 3: this was a Meetingles's ges Jurey if Australia did go
35:47
Speaker 3: down this path, and it says a lot more I
35:50
Speaker 3: think about our domestic politics than anything else. But give
35:54
Speaker 3: me your assessment here, because this feels like we have
35:57
Speaker 3: caved in around the wed to terrorists.
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Speaker 16: Well, Peter I think, mister Aweneas, he choosing the UN
36:08
Speaker 16: to announce that Australia is recognizing a state of Palestine
36:12
Speaker 16: will get him invited to a lot of cocktail parties
36:15
Speaker 16: and he'll be toasted, but it will change nothing for
36:18
Speaker 16: Palestinians or Israelis. It really is a very cynical move
36:23
Speaker 16: by these governments Australia, Canada, the UK and Portugal with
36:27
Speaker 16: France coming along that really they know it's based on illusion.
36:32
Speaker 16: It's based on magical thinking that the corrupt Palestinian authority
36:36
Speaker 16: will magically reinvent itself and become popular with Palestinians, and
36:41
Speaker 16: that some magical beast will disarm Hamas, and Hamas will
36:46
Speaker 16: not want to wield any power in wherever this state is.
36:50
Speaker 16: So it really is just a very cynical move to
36:55
Speaker 16: look principled, and it's going to come undone because an
36:59
Speaker 16: empty gesture will not satisfy the activists, of course.
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Speaker 2: They won't, Michael.
37:05
Speaker 3: And today is Rosh Hashana, it's a Jewish high holiday,
37:10
Speaker 3: and we've got now the New year period leading into
37:13
Speaker 3: to Yom Kipor. I mean, the timing, I'd have to
37:16
Speaker 3: say is deliberate. Now everybody looks at the calendar and
37:19
Speaker 3: these things are done around the world.
37:21
Speaker 2: It feels like another affront.
37:23
Speaker 3: To Jewish people, Jewish Australians, not just Israelis. And these
37:27
Speaker 3: lines today from the Prime Minister.
37:29
Speaker 2: Have we listen to this.
37:31
Speaker 4: We're not about to open an embassy. To be very clear,
37:35
Speaker 4: what we are, what we're thinking about there.
37:37
Speaker 6: What we are, what we are doing, what we are doing,
37:41
Speaker 6: We're not getting ahead of ourselves. What we are doing
37:44
Speaker 6: is recognizing the state of Palestine. Those matters we'll be
37:48
Speaker 6: determined by the conditions that we're put at.
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Speaker 2: All.
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Speaker 3: We seriously have been having a conversation that he took
37:57
Speaker 3: that question on face value about an embassy. There is
38:00
Speaker 3: not even a shared land border, as you know, between
38:03
Speaker 3: the West Bank and Gaza. I mean, the bloke probably
38:05
Speaker 3: doesn't even know what river, what sea when it's all
38:08
Speaker 3: discussed in the media.
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Speaker 2: I just find this extraordinary.
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Speaker 16: Well, remember our Department of Foreign Affairs and the Government
38:18
Speaker 16: said we couldn't have an embassy in Ukraine for a
38:21
Speaker 16: couple of years because it was all too tricky and
38:24
Speaker 16: I don't know, when you look at a map, yeah, well,
38:27
Speaker 16: and when you look at a map, there's no coherent
38:31
Speaker 16: territory in the West Bank for a Palestinian state to occupy,
38:35
Speaker 16: and Gaza is in the middle of a war. This
38:38
Speaker 16: is what I mean about this magical thinking. The government
38:41
Speaker 16: knows there's nothing underneath their plan, but they're happy to
38:45
Speaker 16: celebrate the moment.
38:49
Speaker 3: So so, if the Shia and Muslims hate us, and
38:53
Speaker 3: they hate the Sunnis, and they hate the Jews as well,
38:56
Speaker 3: then okay, they mightn't call themselves humas. But it doesn't
39:00
Speaker 3: matter whether it's al Qaeda or Islamic state. I mean,
39:03
Speaker 3: if the same hatred is in their hearts, and that
39:06
Speaker 3: is who could be in a rebadged form leading this
39:10
Speaker 3: Palestinian state. Well, you know, come in, Spinner, we are
39:14
Speaker 3: the mugs. We in the West are the absolute mugs,
39:18
Speaker 3: because they have gone out there and murdered twelve hundred people,
39:22
Speaker 3: and they've committed today not to release any of these hostages.
39:25
Speaker 3: And they get what they want on a plate. I
39:28
Speaker 3: reckon the UN will give them billions of dollars to
39:31
Speaker 3: build this Palestinian state. That'll be the next thing.
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Speaker 1: Michael.
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Speaker 16: Well, except there's no practicality to any of these plans,
39:41
Speaker 16: and Israel retains its key backer, which is the United States.
39:45
Speaker 16: So all of this is just pantomime that changes nothing
39:51
Speaker 16: about a war that has no end in sight.
39:57
Speaker 3: Right, let's just flick quickly if we can, to China,
39:59
Speaker 3: because we saw that singular embarrassment of our Prime Minister
40:04
Speaker 3: in Ping and g last week talking up this defense treaty,
40:08
Speaker 3: then excusing it, saying basically that all the MPs couldn't
40:11
Speaker 3: form a cabinet caucus, they couldn't get core, and they're
40:16
Speaker 3: all back partying in their electorates. And then we find out,
40:19
Speaker 3: in fact the Chinese the sticking point, and the p
40:22
Speaker 3: and GPM has sent his defense minister off to China
40:25
Speaker 3: to bow and scrape, and I don't suspect we're going
40:28
Speaker 3: to get their steal.
40:29
Speaker 2: Now.
40:30
Speaker 3: And you've got the Victorian premieru Center Allan coming back
40:33
Speaker 3: from our own five day Swan song around beij and
40:39
Speaker 3: she's saying that the relationship with China between Victoria is
40:43
Speaker 3: based on values rather than export transactions. Now, what values
40:49
Speaker 3: do we share with a communist dictator?
40:52
Speaker 2: Michael, you tell.
40:53
Speaker 16: Me, well, Peter, I think the problem for Cinda Allen
40:57
Speaker 16: is her awful neediness for China's cash for Victoria has
41:01
Speaker 16: been wrapped up in utter nonsense. For example, the shared
41:05
Speaker 16: values point. I mean even Premier Allen must suspect something
41:10
Speaker 16: inherently silly about claiming that a state government in Australia
41:14
Speaker 16: shares values with a ruthless communist dictatorship. It reminds me
41:20
Speaker 16: she's apparently signed a memorandum around education with the Chinese
41:25
Speaker 16: education ministry. This is like a bad rerun of the
41:29
Speaker 16: Confucius Institute debarkle around the New South Wales Education Department
41:34
Speaker 16: shared values through education cooperation with the Chinese communist education
41:39
Speaker 16: system that is a key tool for communist ideology and
41:43
Speaker 16: stride and aggressive nationalism. When the Chinese officials look at
41:49
Speaker 16: Premier Allen, I don't think they see naivety. I think
41:52
Speaker 16: they see someone who is so needy that she's exploitable.
41:58
Speaker 3: Well, she's just Daniel Andrews in a skirt, really, I mean,
42:01
Speaker 3: she's just a continuation of where they got deal with
42:03
Speaker 3: him and he's still.
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Speaker 2: In the frame.
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Speaker 3: Just quickly back to P and G. I think the
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Speaker 3: fiasco that was our Prime Minister's visit. We're not going
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Speaker 3: to see an agreement, are we. Now that China is
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Speaker 3: basically going to call the shots for Port Moresby.
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Speaker 16: I think best case this thing gets bogged in interminable
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Speaker 16: process in Port Moresby four months, and if it ends
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Speaker 16: up being signed, because because the government has had to
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Speaker 16: stump up far more cash and goodies than they ever
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Speaker 16: had in mind, it's been a debarkle of political and
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Speaker 16: diplomatic management.
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Speaker 3: I'll leave it there, Michael, poor old textpayer have already
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Speaker 3: paid six hundred million dollars for a footy team.
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Speaker 2: Goodness speed.
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Speaker 3: There'll be a hell of a lot more if we
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Speaker 3: get it over the line. All right, after the break,
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Speaker 3: what can be done to reverse the trend of young
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Speaker 3: men abandoning the Coalition? Given an overseas they're embracing the
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Speaker 3: conservative side of politics, but Andrew Hasty ramping up the
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Speaker 3: pressure on a net zero.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.
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Speaker 3: I've mentioned the top of the show quarterly used pol
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Speaker 3: analysis and it's out today that says men and younger
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Speaker 3: voters are abandoning the Liberals under Susan Lee the coalition's primary.
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Speaker 3: You remember last week the overall primary was twenty seven
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Speaker 3: percent lowest dinner historic low of lows, but amongst eighteen
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Speaker 3: to thirty four year olds that's fallen down to a
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Speaker 3: catastrophic eighteen percent. Now that's ten points down from where
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Speaker 3: it was in the March quarter leading into the May election.
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Speaker 3: Joined me now the panel, Deputy executive director at the
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Speaker 3: Institute of Public Affairs Dan Wilde, and pauland Hans's chief
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Speaker 3: of staff James Ashby.
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Speaker 2: James, what worry is me here?
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Speaker 3: There's two points here, I guess the first one is
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Speaker 3: around the world, men particularly young men, are moving very
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Speaker 3: strongly to the coalition parties or the Conservative parties. We're
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Speaker 3: obviously seeing that with Donald Trump. That's evidence there in
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Speaker 3: his electoral vote. We're seeing it very much in the polling.
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Speaker 3: Not confirmed yet, we haven't an election, but the holding
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Speaker 3: around reform. So why is it failing here in.
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Speaker 17: Australia, Well, it comes down to leadership. You've got a
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Speaker 17: very very poor leader that is heading the Liberal Party
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Speaker 17: and unfortunately she's going to maintain that position until such
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Speaker 17: time as they start losing members like Andrew Hasty, who's
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Speaker 17: already put the warning shot across the bow to say
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Speaker 17: he will step down from the front bench and go
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Speaker 17: to the back so he can openly have these discussions
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Speaker 17: from the real conservative side of politics. This is the problem.
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Speaker 17: We don't have true leadership. She destroys the reputation and
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Speaker 17: credibility of some of those front benches that she's had,
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Speaker 17: Like you sent a price Andrew Hayeskire has say is
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Speaker 17: about walk I'm sure deep down there are other Conservatives
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Speaker 17: that are within the Liberal Party that are prepared to
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Speaker 17: walk away, just like their members are. Warren Mundine made
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Speaker 17: a startling confession about New South Wales membership within the
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Speaker 17: Liberal Party over the weekend at Seapack. He said their
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Speaker 17: numbers have dwindled to nine thousand members one nation. Almost
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Speaker 17: have that number of members in New South Wales. So
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Speaker 17: you can see the problem that the Conservatives had. When
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Speaker 17: you don't have true leadership and you don't have direction
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Speaker 17: with policy, people will walk away and they're coming to
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Speaker 17: people who they know can be trusted with what they
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Speaker 17: have to say. And that's one nation.
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Speaker 3: And what's interesting too, you mentioned Andrew Hasty there. Of
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Speaker 3: course what's moving Hasty is not you know, I'm sure
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Speaker 3: he does want to be a leader one day, but
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Speaker 3: it's not this hell boyant bent course to become leader.
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Speaker 2: Dan.
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Speaker 3: It's a matter of conviction, and for John Howard it
45:38
Speaker 3: was conviction. Tony Abbott was conviction. That's very much why
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Speaker 3: voters and conservative supporters are looking to Hasty as some
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Speaker 3: sort of white night. Have a look at this video
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Speaker 3: he released over the weekend, and this is calling for
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Speaker 3: a return to manufacturing in Australia.
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Speaker 7: We used to make complex things in this country. In fact,
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Speaker 7: with car we used to say race him on a Sunday,
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Speaker 7: sell them on a Monday. And it wasn't just a slogan,
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Speaker 7: it was a way of life. Competition drove innovation in
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Speaker 7: our car industry, but that's all gone and now Anthony
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Speaker 7: Albanezi and Labor are trying to cut us off forever
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Speaker 7: from our proud heritage. They want to fill our streets
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Speaker 7: with silent solace cars made in China, packed with tech
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Speaker 7: that we're in design and that we don't control.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: Now, Dad, I don't think you can be a successful
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Speaker 3: coalition leader without an economic and narrative. I would have
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Speaker 3: felt this was something he really needed to add to
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Speaker 3: his arsenal. Very strong on national security as we know
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Speaker 3: when immigration and other things, but this has been the
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Speaker 3: missing piece and that looks to me on the weekend
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Speaker 3: that is really moving to sort of carve out I
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Speaker 3: guess the Hasty Turf on economics.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 13: I think that Andrew Hasty is becoming the leader of
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Speaker 13: the new Right in Australia. I think he understands that
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Speaker 13: we need new thinking for the problems that we face today.
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Speaker 13: We don't live in the nineteen eighties or nineteen nineties anymore.
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Speaker 13: And yes, the brand of liberalism and conservatism that the
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Speaker 13: center right embodied in those years was very worthwhile, but
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Speaker 13: we are in a different set of circumstances. I thought
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Speaker 13: it was an excellent video that he put out, and
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Speaker 13: what I liked about what he said was he talked
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Speaker 13: about our way of life. And I think the point
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Speaker 13: about car manufacturing is it's not just a unit of
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Speaker 13: production that's purely based on economic efficiency, but for many
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Speaker 13: Australians it represents when we used to be a real
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Speaker 13: country that could make things, when we had a cohesive society,
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Speaker 13: when we were had an economy that was working for
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Speaker 13: the typical person on the street, and how much has
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Speaker 13: changed since then. So I think that's a very evocative
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Speaker 13: way of communicating to mainstream Australians how much our country
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Speaker 13: has changed over the last couple of decades, and not
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Speaker 13: in a good way.
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Speaker 3: Let's go back to Thursday James when the government announced
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Speaker 3: it's a net zero or the twenty five twenty thirty
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Speaker 3: five targets on the way to net zero have listen.
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Speaker 4: It's also with the European Union have just announced over
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Speaker 4: the next twenty four hours, i'll we're considering a target
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Speaker 4: range between sixty three and seventy percent. This is ambitious,
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Speaker 4: but it's achievable.
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Speaker 2: Well, pants on file.
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Speaker 3: Let's call out the Prime minister there, he's got egg
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Speaker 3: on his face because those very same European leaders split
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Speaker 3: over the weekend ahead of the UN summit. They're only
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Speaker 3: going to have a statement of intent on targets, nothing
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Speaker 3: formal like in Australia. So again, why the heck are
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Speaker 3: we trying to lead the world. We're only one percent
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Speaker 3: if that of the problem.
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Speaker 17: Well, as you are well aware, the Prime ministers said
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Speaker 17: that half of the vehicles that will be purchased in
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Speaker 17: the future will all be electric. I'm not getting rid
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Speaker 17: of this one, that's for sure. It's a V eight
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Speaker 17: turbo diesel. Goodness, So that is why you buy those
48:53
Speaker 17: things that toe the caravan. And this thing on my
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Speaker 17: other side, the new excavator that we bought is and
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Speaker 17: you know when I looked at that, I had options.
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Speaker 17: They've got these battery ones, but they're useless. You know
49:05
Speaker 17: what the rapid charger is. It's a diesel generator on
49:07
Speaker 17: a trailer. So it doesn't work. This whole idea that
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Speaker 17: you can flick to electricity or batteries to run the economy,
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Speaker 17: run these vehicles behind me, it's pointless. No one can
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Speaker 17: afford to do it. I've just gone off grid in
49:21
Speaker 17: this new place that we're building, Peter. It doesn't work.
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Speaker 17: I'm going to have to connect to the mains. Fifteen
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Speaker 17: kilo what's of power doesn't cut it. The Prime Minister's
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Speaker 17: ambitious targets here just will not work. And I'm afraid
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Speaker 17: that it's going to send this country broke. I think
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Speaker 17: Europe realizes that they've got twenty seven countries to deal
49:38
Speaker 17: with there in that EU. No wonder they can't get
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Speaker 17: a consensus to go to the Paris the latest agreement
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Speaker 17: there and sign up to the seventy two percent that
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Speaker 17: they want to cut emissions by. It's impple and it
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Speaker 17: will send countries right around the world broke, just like
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Speaker 17: we're sending ourselves.
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Speaker 3: We will come back to this many times. Absolutely for
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Speaker 3: the smug tesla. I watches tonight. You are charging your
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Speaker 3: car on brown coal. All right, I'll leave it there.
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Speaker 3: James Sigferson, I'm mixed.