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Landings: Heroes or Villains? · Plausibly Live - The Dave Bowman Show Podcast

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  history buff himself. It's plausibly live The Dave
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  Bowman Show. Well, good morning, good evening
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  or good afternoon, wherever you are, whatever you do.
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  A lot of things happening in the world today, most of them are
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  far beyond our control, you might say.
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  So perhaps it's time we took a pause and thought about life.
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  What about the laws of gravity, exploration, human spirit and
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  endeavor? Holidays, Columbus.
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  Don't touch that dial. Just try to hear me out for a
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  little while. Christopher Columbus was neither
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  the Saint of traditional American mythology, nor was he
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  the one-dimensional villain that modern people seem to want to
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  make him. He was an ambitious, flawed,
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  extraordinarily determined navigator.
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  His 1492 voyage permanently changed the course of human
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  history. Or did it?
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  We can acknowledge the suffering and the exploitation associated
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  with those things while recognizing the extraordinary
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  human impulse that drove him beyond the horizon.
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  The fundamental question is this.
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  Can we remember Columbus for the spirit of exclamation without
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  necessarily excusing what followed?
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  A Loqui Conizio Stand up, tell those who oppose liberty, don't
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  tread on me. So it's Columbus Day and this is
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  a holiday that actually has a lot of connection to me.
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  There's a lot of for some reason, this is one of those
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  Nexus dates. October 12th.
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  October 13th, because you never know where Columbus Day is going
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  to fall because of the stupid holiday act.
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  So it's October 12th, but sometimes that's the 13th,
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  sometimes it's the 11th. Today it just happens to be the
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  12th. It was October 12th, 1492, when
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  Columbus, after weeks at sea with his three ships, then Nina,
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  the Penta, and the Santa Maria, sighted land that turned out to
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  be the Bahamas. Nobody knew that at the time.
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  I'm not even sure the people who lived there knew that they were
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  living on the Bahamas. But there you go.
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  Columbus had not discovered some uninhabited world.
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  There were millions of people already living throughout the
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  entirety of the Americans North and South.
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  Nor was he the first European to actually reach the North
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  American land. The Norse, we now pretty much
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  accept, had landed there as much as 500 years earlier.
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  What makes this voyage historically consequential is
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  that it initiates sustained contact between Europe and the
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  Americas. And of course there would be
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  profound consequences for both. History is full of people whose
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  achievements must be understood alongside their failings.
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  It's for some reason we seem increasingly unable to do that.
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  I'm not sure why, but it is a fact that the people who most
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  loudly insist that I have to hate Columbus are the same
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  people who tell me that Che Guevara was he's just fine in
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  1492. There was no misunderstanding.
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  There is a common myth that Columbus proved or set off to
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  set to prove that the world was round.
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  That is an absolute, total and complete and utter myth and I, I
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  wish you would forget it. Everyone knew that the world was
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  round. Well, except for that guy that
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  had the rocket up in Idaho. I've said this before, I will
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  say it again. There are no actual people who
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  believe that the earth is flat. They're just people who want to
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  be interesting at parties and so they say something controversial
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  thinking that it'll actually to help them somehow or another
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  education. Educated Europeans in 1492
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  understood that the earth was round.
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  This knowledge had existed for thousands of years.
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  In fact, Aristophanes back in Egyptian times, I love
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  Aristophanes. He's Carl Sagan refers to him as
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  Aristophanes the Beta, because he was second best at
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  everything. Berezdothanes had actually
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  calculated the Earth's circumference already in the 3rd
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  century BCE. He did so by tracking shadows
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  and doing some geometry and trigonometry, and he'd actually
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  come within few decibel points of proving how big the world
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  was. The mistake that Columbus would
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  make was not that the Earth was round, but how big it was.
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  For some reason, that's the part that they ignored.
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  In 1828, Washington Irving, who also wrote The Headless
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  Horseman, would would fictionalize a biography of
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  Christopher Columbus and that helped popularize the image that
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  became prevalent during Victorian times of a courageous
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  navigator confronting ignorant, Flat Earth believing
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  authorities. 19th century writers, including William
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  Draper and Andrew Dickinson White further promoted the
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  narrative and and 'cause this conflict, this idea between
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  religion and science, this idea that it which is absurd because
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  religion, the Bible says the world is round.
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  So I'm not sure why we had a problem with it.
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  Not sure why people believed that Columbus thought that the
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  earth was far. Columbus thought the world was
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  round and everybody else was crazy and thought that the world
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  was flat. I It was a Victorian myth, and
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  it was done. And a lot of reasons to make
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  themselves feel smarter. Did it work?
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  Yeah. I don't know.
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  Columbus worked from existing geographical authorities,
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  including Ptolemy Pierre de la. Hello.
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  Toscalini Toscanelli. Never my Italian's terrible.
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  Sorry, folks. His calculations involved
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  estimating different differences around the world using ancient
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  units of measurement, and unfortunately it exaggerated the
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  estimate of how far Asia extended to the East.
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  That was the second mistake they made.
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  Number one, they they thought the world was smaller than it
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  was. Number 2, they thought that Asia
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  was bigger than it actually is, which is hard to believe because
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  Asia is pretty big. His underlying math was not
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  wrong. It wasn't incompetent, it just
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  assumed a geographical mistake that that nobody knew because he
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  underestimated the distance westward from Europe to Asia.
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  He had to because, well, number one, if it had, if he had known
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  how far it was from Europe to Asia, there's no way that his
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  fleet could have made that. But there's a big difference
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  between being bad at math and performing mathematics using bad
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  information. Giggo, as we say in the computer
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  world, garbage in, garbage out. Columbus's error was that he
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  didn't understand the geography, and because of that, some math
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  mistakes that were forced upon him were made and ultimately led
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  to him finding something that he didn't expect.
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  On August 3rd, he departed Palo, Spain with three vessels, the
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  Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria.
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  They stopped in the Canary Islands and then they sailed W
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  starting on September 6th. He used established Atlantic
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  wind patterns, things that they already knew, practical
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  seamanship and accumulated navigational knowledge.
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  In October 12th they made landfall in the Bahamas,
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  probably on an island known as Lucan.
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  The inhabitants called it something else, of course.
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  The expedition would then continue on to Cuba.
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  Hispaniolia and the Santa Maria ran aground.
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  On Christmas Day. The Columbus established the
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  Fort at La Navidad. It's important to note that on
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  this first voyage he never actually reached North America.
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  It's not what happened. I think it's remarkable though
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  to keep this in mind today crossing the Atlantic.
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  I've done it did it in about so I'm trying trying to recall.
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  It's about it's about 5 hours. It's on a Boeing.
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  I think it was a 777 couple engines was night time.
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  It was my introduction to Mr. Bean because it was a red eye to
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  to London. And so it wasn't like I got to
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  look out the windows and see there's the mighty Atlantic
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  Ocean. I watched Mr. Bean on the TV on
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  the movie screen. They didn't have GP Columbus,
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  did not have GPS, did not have radio, did not have satellite
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  weather, weather forecasting. And keep in mind, August,
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  September, October is the heart of what, the Atlantic hurricane
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  season. He had no way to determine
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  longitude at sea. Latitude they didn't have a
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  problem with. Latitude was pretty easy.
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  Longitude didn't did not exist. I mean, it existed, but they
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  didn't have any way of computing it.
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  They went weeks without seeing land.
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  They had crews that were, you know, sailors.
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  So they were, you know, there's an old saying a bitching sailor
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  is a happy sailor. So I'm sure they were bitching
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  pretty good and they were probably concerned he are we
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  ever going to get anywhere? Where are we actually going?
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  I made six deterrent patrols aboard USS Michigan and half the
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  time we didn't we weren't going anywhere.
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  We were just there. It's like where we going?
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  Well, eventually what we're doing is we're making a giant
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  loop to come back where we started.
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  Columbus's journal, if you've ever read it, describes
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  increasing dissatisfaction, and by October 10th, his crew was on
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  the edge of mutiny. He was determined to continue,
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  but this is an extraordinary psychological challenge.
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  He is committed to a voyage. He doesn't know where he's
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  going, He doesn't know what he's going to find, and he's got a
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  crew that doesn't necessarily want to go along with him.
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  Columbus obviously did not reach Asia, the Spice Indies.
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  His understanding of what he had actually arrived at was
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  mistaken. Yet his his expedition
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  demonstrated the practical possibilities the the ability of
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  humankind, of sustained Western Atlantic navigation, and it
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  helped initiate a new era of transatlantic contact, commerce,
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  colonization, and exchange. Unless you're Graham Hitchcock,
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  in which you believe that was already happening anyway, a
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  voyage can fail in its intended objective and still transform
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  the world. Look, I I'm not going to
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  whitewash Columbus's darker history.
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  I mean, it's there to be seen. Columbus originally thought the
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  indigenous inhabitants were friendly.
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  He also considered their potential as servants and
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  converts to Christianity. That's how he sold this whole
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  voyage to Ferdinand and Isabella.
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  His subsequent voyages. Subsequent voyages.
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  Not the first voyage. Subsequent voyages involved
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  enslavement, coercion, violence and exploitation.
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  But by then he wasn't the only one.
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  By that point, the Spanish, the Portuguese, even the English
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  were getting involved. His administration of Hispaniola
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  as a Spanish territory became notorious for its abuses and its
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  disorder. And so much so, and this is the
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  part we never seem to talk about.
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  He was actually removed as governor and sent back to Spain
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  in chains in 1500. European contact also initiated
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  a transfer of disease. It devastated indigenous
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  populations, although that went in return as well.
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  Developed over generations. Can't be contributed.
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  You can't say Columbus did that. It was the contact between the
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  the societies that caused that. It's interesting though, because
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  even today on Columbus Day, which many people will not refer
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  to as Columbus Day because they hate Columbus.
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  They love Che, but they hate Columbus.
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  We'll never talk to you about the rest of this.
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  They'll never talk to you about Herman Cortez, who conquered the
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  Aztec Empire with extensive indigenous alliances between
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  1519 and 1521. Twenty years later he was
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  conquering the Aztecs, who, by the way, were busy conquering
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  other peoples. The New world was not this peace
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  loving commune that that that many people seem to want to make
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  it to be. It was a violent, filthy world
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  long before civilization ever occurred here.
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  Later, Francisco Pizarro would lead the conquest of the Inca
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  Empire in the 1530s, mid civil war and political upheaval,
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  Ferdinand Magellan would lead an expedition that would sweep
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  around South America, discover the Straits of Magellan, and
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  across the Pacific. Violence against indigenous
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  communities occurred there. He would die in the Philippines
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  in a fight, and the voyage would not be completed until 1522 by
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  one of his subordinates. The difference is 1 of selective
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  memory of the public. Columbus has a federal holiday.
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  He has statues, He has place names.
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  He has a long tradition of schoolroom celebration.
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  And why do we have that? And we've talked about this
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  before. We've had we have Columbus Day
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  because politics between Italy and America.
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  Columbus did not consider himself Italian.
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  Yes, he was born in in Italy, but he considered himself
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  Spanish. He would not have recognized the
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  name Columbus. He considered himself spanning
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  Spanish. And yet because he was born in
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  Italy, there's this connection to Italy.
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  And when Italy in America had some stresses in the early 19 or
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  1890s, including the lynching of Italian Americans, Italy and
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  America nearly went to war. And we forget about that.
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  We forget about the fact that Italy and America almost went to
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  war over the treatment of Italian Americans as less than
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  full citizens. President Harrison said, hey, we
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  got a solution here. Let's create a holiday to honor
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  Columbus, who had nothing to do with Italy, who had nothing to
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  do with the the the lynching of of Italian Americans.
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  But we have this holiday. But Cortez, Pizarro, Magellan,
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  they do not occupy that symbolic position in American civic life,
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  do they? This makes Columbus particularly
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  visible and a target in debates about colonialism.
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  It doesn't mean that the others have escaped historical
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  criticism because they have not escaped that, but they they've
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  had that criticism. But it leaves us with a
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  question. Are we evaluating the historical
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  man Columbus? Are we arguing over what the
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  statues in the holiday have come to represent, which isn't what
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  Columbus actually did anyway? Do you understand that?
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  Columbus Day, Italian heritage, Colombo, Crustavo, Cologne.
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  Crustavo, Cologne. Not Italian.
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  So this invented holiday to celebrate Italian heritage has
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  nothing to do with him anyway, except we named a bunch of crap
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  after him. The early modern world was
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  marked by imperial expansion, not just Spain.
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  It was marked by conquest, slavery.
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  Things that have been going on in Europe, Africa, Asia for
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  thousands of years now began to. And by the way, we're going on
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  in the Americas. We just don't like to talk about
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  that, mostly because they didn't write their histories down
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  necessarily, but that same thing was happening here.
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  Historical context can explain the circumstances in which
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  people acted. It does not excuse their
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  actions. It's easy to say, well, that's
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  the way everybody was, everybody was doing it.
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  I like to think we're past that as a people.
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  But are we we should be capable of condemning cruelty while
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  recognizing the courage, seamanship and historical
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  achievement of what he did. And that's where I am amazed by
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  Columbus. This, this idea of this voyage
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  is so incredible. The way that they, the way that
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  he pulled off, the way that he's not just guessing, the way that
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  he understands currents, wind patterns, the only mistake he's
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  made really is estimating the size of the world.
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  He's a professional mariner. He's the Admiral of the sea, as
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  he will be called. It's incredible.
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  And even today we still share that same spirit when we go to
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  sea. Of course, the Norse voyagers
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  had already reached Newfoundland 500 years before that.
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  Portuguese sailors were exploring the Atlantic and the
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  African coast throughout the 15th century.
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  European maritime technology, cartography and navigation were
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  getting better and better, and trade ambitions and competitions
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  amongst the European powers. We're providing powerful
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  incentives to find new routes to Asia.
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  Why? Because in between Europe and
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  Asia was what dot dot dot question mark.
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  The possibility has to be considered.
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  We're told they hate Columbus because Columbus caused all
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  this. Well, First off, there was no
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  Columbus. But even if Columbus hadn't
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  existed, do we really believe that it wouldn't have happened
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  anyway? Columbus's voyage occurred at a
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  particular moment in history, under particular political and
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  economic circumstances. The subsequent history of the
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  Atlantic would be shaped by that specific timing and those
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  consequences. But reality is that if
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  Christopher Gustavo Colombo had never existed, it would have
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  happened anyway. The idea that no one else would
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  have sailed across the Atlantic is is absurd.
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  No one else would have crossed is laughable.
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  In the Pacific, the tribes, the the the Polynesian tribes were
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  sailing thousands of miles across the Pacific.
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  In the Mediterranean, you had ancient Phoenicians sailing
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  across the Mediterranean. You had Hano the Navigator
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  sailing around Africa in the 3rd century BCE.
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  You had all these things happening and eventually the
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  world was going to get small enough that we can touch one
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  another. The Columbus that we should
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  remember is not a fictional man who proved that the earth was
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  round. That's not who he was.
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  It's not what he was. Nor should we just erase some of
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  the abuses to preserve the an uncomplicated hero who never
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  existed anyway. I don't need Christopher
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  Columbus to have been a perfect man He wasn't.
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  I'm not either. Neither are you.
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  Neither are the people wearing Che T-shirts today.
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  I don't need him to have been right about everything.
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  He certainly wasn't. And I don't need to pretend that
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  the people he encountered didn't suffer, because certainly they
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  did. But I also refuse to pretend
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  that what happened in 1492 was somehow insignificant, or that
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  the courage required to untake that, to undertake that voyage,
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  was meaningless. I refuse to just dismiss it
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  because you don't like what he did.
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  He didn't prove that the world was round.
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  He didn't discover an empty continent.
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  He didn't even know what he had really found.
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  And he never would. In the spirit of that adventure,
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  the willingness to take a look at the horizon and wonder what
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  lies beyond it is something that humanity should never lose.
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  And that, my friends, is why I believe Christopher Columbus
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  should be remembered on today, October 12th, Columbus Day, here
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  in the United States of America. Provoking thought and
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  conversation since 2007 from California's Central Valley to
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  Silverdale, WA. It's plausibly live The Dave
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  Bowman Show. Welcome back you're going to
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  join me today 565 Dave 209-565-3283 text only today not
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  technically live because it's a holiday and I got other things
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  to do so I record everything is live, but it is in fact not
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  Monday morning while I'm soon you're doing this other things
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  that are in the news that have piqued my interest.
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  Parsha Noah is this week Noah, which is the story of Noah in
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  the flood. That's what we're reading this
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  week in in the scriptures. You never read this story.
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  This is a it's a fascinating story, but even more fascinating
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  is the fact that there is a rock formation in Turkey, eastern
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  Turkey near Mount Ararat, which has long been associated with
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  Noah's Ark. It doesn't say that he landed on
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  Mount Ararat. He it says he landed on the
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  mountains of Ararat, which could mean anything but because it's
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  roughly boat shaped and it's pretty big people for my entire
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  lifetime have been talking about this this rock formation.
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  And in 2026, this past summer, an excavation was made
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  international team working with Turkish researchers, 3 months of
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  archaeological field work. They they wrapped up on
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  September 30th. According to a report published
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  on October 8th, the team included approximately 20
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  researchers from 5 nations using ground penetrating radar, 3
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  dimensional mapping, and core drilling to investigate the
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  formation. Now some drilling reached
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  approximately 60 feet below the surface, report researchers
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  reported, and reportedly encountered soil and occasion
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  boulders rather than continuous solid rock.
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  They expected team collected hundreds of samples, which have
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  been sent to laboratories in Ankara.
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  Sorry, Ankara, and results are expected in two years or next
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  year. There were possible radar scans.
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  The Jerusalem Post has reported that engineer Khalsol Bakhtar
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  had identified unusual patterns beneath the formation using his
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  subsurface imaging technology, and the research team describes
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  features that appear to resemble corridors, compartments, angular
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  intersections, and of course, multiple levels.
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  That last part is particular interesting because Genesis 616
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  describes the Ark as having three decks.
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  He believes that the anomalies may belong to a single
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  underlying object, although he has acknowledged that he cannot
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  identify what the object is. There's some chemical evidence
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  that they have drawn. There's approximately 3 times as
• 27:17
  much organic material inside the boat shaped formation as
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  outside. Potassium concentrations roughly
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  38% higher inside the formations and I'm not sure what that would
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  indicate. Potassium.
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  Where would I get potassium? Would that be dung?
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  I I don't know differences in soil chemistry that researchers
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  believe might be consistent with decomposed wood, other organic
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  materials. These differences, of course,
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  deserve investigations, but they do not establish the proof of
• 27:52
  Noah's Ark being there. Geologists, of course, remain
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  skeptical. They identified this formation
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  back in 1959, and there was an explorer by the name of Ron
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  Wyatt. I don't know if you remember him
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  or not. I I came familiar with him
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  because astronaut Jim Irwin of Apollo 15 became very religious
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  and he actually went to this thing.
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  And I actually got to go to a speech with with Jim Irwin for
• 28:23
  many years. I had his book autograph, but he
• 28:26
  had gone and he was convinced that this was Noah's Ark.
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  But Ron Wyatt is the one who brought it to the attention.
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  One of the most interesting historical details is that David
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  Fasold, an earlier supportive, an early supportive of our
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  identification, would eventually reverse his position.
• 28:42
  In 1996, he and geologist Lawrence Collins published
• 28:46
  research concluding that the formation was natural from a
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  historical and archaeological perspective and even from a
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  theological perspective. Let's talk for that for just a
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  moment. What would it take to actually
• 29:04
  prove that something is Noah's Ark?
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  Remember that there have been people who have claimed up on
• 29:12
  Mount Ararat to have found wood, and there's even a report that a
• 29:17
  man found the ark, walked through it and blah blah, blah.
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  Again, these are hearsay. They're not confirmed, but would
• 29:25
  that prove it to us? And let's say for argument's
• 29:30
  sake that they, they did find an arc, that this actually turns
• 29:34
  out to be a large boat, 3 decks. What does it actually prove to
• 29:38
  us? What does it actually tell us?
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  And, and does it change anybody's mind?
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  If you don't accept the Old Testament, the Torah, does it
• 29:52
  change that? Do you look at that and go,
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  well, now I guess I, I have to accept it, or does it change
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  archaeology? Does it change anthropology?
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  Does it change how we look at the world in the sense of, once
• 30:06
  again, human beings were building big boats and they were
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  traveling across the world and seeing things and adventures?
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  I don't know, I I don't need to find Noah's Ark any more than I
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  need to find the Ark of the Covenant to ground my faith in
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  where it is. I accept the fact that there was
• 30:25
  probably some hyperbole involved in the story, some
• 30:29
  misunderstanding, some translation that we don't get.
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  It's not going to change my faith.
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  What about yours? Take the time right now.
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  Tell the people that matter in your life you love them very
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  much. You'd miss them if they weren't
• 30:42
  there. So don't pass up those
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  opportunities. You don't want to have that
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  regret possibly live. I'm Dave Bowman, tomorrow be on
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  Bill Mix podcast for Dave does history.
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  It's October 13th. It's one of those Seminole dates
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  in my life and we'll talk about that tomorrow.
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  See you then everybody. Have a great day.