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Bonus Episode: The State Vs. Tyler Robinson (Part 3) (7/14/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
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  this episode, we're going to continue with our piece talking
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  about the Tyler Robinson trial, the murder of Charlie Kirk,
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  and word things stand. The surveillance evidence appears to be
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  one of the state's strongest narrative tools. Video can help
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  jures understand movement in a way testimony alone cannot. It
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  can show timing, direction, clothing, posture, and escape. Prosecutors say
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  video tracks the suspect arriving, climbing, positioning, fleeing, and moving
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  towards the area where the rifle was found. If accurate,
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  that sequence connects the rooftop to the wooded area and
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  the weapon. The defense has objected to the edited video presentations.
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  That makes sense because edited compilations can shape perception. A
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  compilation can be useful, but it can also become argumentative.
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  The court must ensure that what is shown is accurate,
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  properly authenticated, and not miss That issue will likely return
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  before the trial. The alleged rooftop route is important because
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  it supports premeditation. A person who climbs to a roof
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  with a rifle is not acting like someone swept up
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  in a momentary argument. Prosecutors will argue that the route
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  required forethought. They'll also argue that the shooter shows a
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  position that maximize distance and escape. The defense may ask
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  whether the video definitively identifies Robinson at each point. It
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  may also ask whether the state can prove the object
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  scene was the rifle. At the preliminary hearing, the state
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  may not need perfect proof at trial. Every link matters more.
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  Identity is not proven by a general path unless the
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  path connects to the defendant. That's why DNA texts, family recognition,
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  and surrender all matter together. Now, the rifle recovery gives
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  a state a physical anchor. Without the rifle, the case
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  would rely more heavily on video and witness accounts. With
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  the rifle, the state can test DNA ammunition handling, and
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  possible ballistics connections. The towel adds another layer because it
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  suggests the weapon was carried or concealed. The engraved ammunition
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  adds yet another layer because it may speak to mindset
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  or message. But every physical item must be collected and
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  preserved properly. Chain of custody will matter. Defense attorneys will
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  examine who found the rifle, who touched it, how is
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  it packaged, how it was transported, and how it was tested.
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  Any gap becomes a potential argument. Now that doesn't mean
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  that the evidence fails, but it means that the state
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  damn well better be ready. The engraved or etched ammunition
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  has attracted major public attention. In high profile political violence cases,
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  symbolic markings can become part of the motive story. Prosecutors
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  may use to show ideology, planning, or intent. The defense
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  may argue they're being sensationalized the dangerous at Jurors may
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  react emotionally to messages on bullets before considering what those
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  messages legally prove. Courts often allow motion evidence, but they
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  also guard against unfair prejudice. The prosecution must explain why
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  the markings are relevant to specific charges or enhancements. The
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  defense will likely ask whether the markings prove anything beyond
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  inflammatory atmosphere. The judge will have to decide how much
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  of that evidence is admissible and how it can be presented.
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  That fight could be significant at trial. Now the alleged
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  note is even more direct. Prosecutors say it reflected and
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  intent to kill Kirk. If admitted and authenticated, that is
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  devastating evidence of premeditation. A note that predates the killing
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  can turn the case from who did it into how
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  clearly was it planned? But the defense can still challenge
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  it who found it, where exactly was it found, who
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  had access to the area, How is it preserved? Is
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  a handwriting or digital authorship proven? Does the wording mean
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  what prosecutors say it means? A note is powerful only
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  if the state proves it belongs to the defendant and
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  connects to the crime. That is where the future litigation
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  will focus. Now, the alleged post shooting messages may be
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  even more damaging than the note. Prosecutors say they included
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  admissions and instructions about evidence. Such messages can tie together intent, identity, concealment,
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  and witness tampering. A person who discusses retrieving a rifle,
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  change in clothes, deleting messages, or staying silent after a
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  killing creates powerful evidence against himself, But again this depends
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  on authentication and context. The defense will want complete conversations,
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  not isolated excerpts. Don't want the vice records, extraction reports,
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  time stamps, and proof of who possessed each phone. It
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  may also question whether the roommate's interpretation influenced how investigators
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  understood the messages. Digital evidence can be strong, but it
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  must be handled carefully. In a case this serious, shortcuts
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  are dangerous. The roommate's immunity is important because it tells
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  listeners that prosecutors viewed twigs as a critical source of information.
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  Use immunity generally means the witness compelled or protected statement
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  cannot be used against that witness in a certain way.
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  It doesn't necessarily mean the witness is innocent of everything.
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  It means the state wanted information and offered legal protection
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  to secure it. That can become fertile ground for cross examination.
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  The defense can argue that immunity gives a witness a
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  reason to cooperate with prosecutors. Prosecutors can respond that immunity
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  allow the truth to come out. The jury, if the
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  case gets there, will have to evaluate credibility at the
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  prelim stage. The judge may rely on the statement if
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  it qualifies under the rules. That's why the defense wanted
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  live testimony but did not get it. And I think
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  that the public often misunderstands hearsay at prelim hearings. People
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  here hearsay and assume it's always forbidden. That is not true.
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  Hearsay is often restricted at trial, but prelim hearings can
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  operate under different rules. Utah's current rule allows reliable hearsay
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  in this setting. That means investigators can summarize parts of
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  an investigation that might require live witnesses. Later, the defense
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  can object, but the judge has more room to admit
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  the evidence. This makes the prelim hearing more efficient, but
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  it also frustrates defendants who want direct confrontation immediately. The
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  trade off is built into the system. Trial rights become
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  much stronger if the case is bound over the prelim hearing.
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  This week has therefore been both revealing and limited. It's
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  revealed the outline of the state's case. It's shown how
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  prosecutors will connect surveillance, forensic evidence, writings, messages, and witness statements.
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  It's also shown how the defense plans to attack the case,
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  but it has not revealed everything. The state does not
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  have to present every witness now, the defense does not
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  have to show its full hand, and the battle of
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  the experts is just beginning. Motions to suppress or exclude
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  evidence may come later. What the public is seeing is
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  a gateway proceeding, not the full trial war and the
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  judge overseeing it. Tony Graff has played a central role
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  in managing that gateway. His ruling so far suggest he's
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  trying to keep the hearing open while preventing uncontrolled spectacle.
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  He's allowed public access, but he's also limited certain displays.
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  He's rejected major defense requests, but he's also sanctioned prosecutorial misconduct.
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  That pattern is important. It suggests that the judge is
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  not simply rubber stamping either side. He appears to be
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  giving the state room to meet probable cause while preserving
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  future fairness concerns. In in case this politically charged, judicial
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  control is essential. If the court loses control, the case
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  becomes media theater, and the justice system can't afford that.
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  The trial court record must be clean enough to survive
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  a review. Now, the role of national politics can't be ignored,
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  but it must be handled carefully. Charlie Kirk was a
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  political figure. Prosecutors alleged he was targeted because of political expression.
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  The public response broke sharply along political lines almost immediately,
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  But a criminal court room cannot operate as a cable
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  news panel. The question is not whether people loved or
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  hated Kirk. The question is whether the state can prove
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  Robinson committed the charge crimes. Political motive may be relevant,
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  but political emotion is not evidence, and I think that
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  distinction is vital for listeners. The louder the outside noise becomes,
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  the more disciplined the legal analysis must be. The prosecution's
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  most likely argument is cumulative. Each individual piece of evidence
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  may have a defense answer. Video can be challenged, DNA
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  can be questioned, ballistics can be nuanced, text can be contested,
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  Witness statements can be attacked. But prosecutors will argue that
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  all the pieces point in the same direction. They'll say
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  that the route, rifle, DNA, writing, messages, family, identification, and
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  surrender form a single, coherent story, and that kind of
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  cumulative case can be very strong. The defense's job is
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  to break enough links that the story no longer feels inevitable,
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  and the defense's most likely long term argument is precision.
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  It'll demand precision about identity, authorship, testing, motive, and admissibility.
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  It will argue that the state is leaning on emotion, politics,
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  and public assumptions. It'll try to separate suspicion from proof.
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  It may concede certain facts while contesting others. It may
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  focus on forensic uncertainty, witness credibility, and the danger of
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  prejudicial evidence. In a capital case, the defense does not
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  need to win every issue to change the outcome. It
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  needs to create reasonable doubt at guilt or persuade against death.
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  That's sentencing, and the prelim hearing is only the opening
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  stage of that effort. The defense is already laying tracks
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  for the later fight. Now, the state's burden that trial,
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  if the case reaches trial, is going to be far higher.
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  Probable cause is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. A
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  bind over would mean the judge finds enough evidence to proceed.
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  It would not mean the judge as found Robinson guilty,
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  and that distinction should be repeated often because the public
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  tends to collapse procedural steps into verdicts. Arrest is not conviction,
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  Charges are not conviction. Prelim hearing evidence is not conviction.
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  Even strong probable cause is not conviction. The state must
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  still prove the case to a jury. The defense still
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  has full trial rights. That's the system even in the
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  most emotionally charged cases. So in my opinion, the likely
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  near term outcome is that the case will be bound
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  over for trial on the major charges. Based on the
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  public record, the state appears to have enough evidence to
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  clear the prelim hearing threshold. Now, that doesn't mean every
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  enhancement or related charge is guaranteed to survive unchanged. The
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  judge could narrow certain issues if he finds gaps, but
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  the aggravated murder charge appears likely to move forward. The
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  firearm discharge and obstruction related counts also appear to have
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  substantial probable cause support. Witness tampering will depend on the
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  strength and admissibility of the alleged communications. The child presence
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  and political targeting allegations may generate more of a legal argument. Still,
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  the overall case if here it's positioned to advance and
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  the real war is likely ahead. All right, folks, that's
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  going to do it for this one. In the next episode,
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  we're going to pick up where we left off. All
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  the information that goes with this episode can be found
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