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Roswell: The Witnesses · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to the Holliscott podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back, weirdos.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're here to dive back in to accounts from Rosswell.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, if you didn't listen to last week's episode, go do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because even just the opener episode of this series Kyle brought stuff that I had never heard before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to, you're going to want to check that out and then come back and check this out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have been, you know, like Steve and I talked, Roswell's been one of them cases have been covered a million times by a million different people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, I'm kind of glad we're doing an accent, we're at a unique place where our knowledge is a lot greater and there's just far more information out now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: then there was back in the day when we would have read about it because at that time there weren't a lot of people coming forward and speaking on the subject they were all still afraid and in the first episode we we kind of go over more of the officialish timeline the logical narrative and storytelling the government did for this case
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[SPEAKER_01]: which we knew about some of the official narrative, however, their aspects of it that I didn't know about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as we go through these next several episodes, I think I'm gonna, including this one, they'll be three I believe is what I'm aiming for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But as we go through this, you guys will be like me and kind of learn because it seems like a big cluster fuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: of cover up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think when you go through this, you're going to start to also think yourself like a damn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were kind of on top of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They they squashed the story extremely fast, which brings up a lot of other questions that will probably get into later on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've spent a ton of time going through this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, the book that I'm going to be referencing for the next several episodes is called Witness to Roswell and it's by Thomas James or Thomas Jay Carey and Donald R. Smith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These guys went above and beyond in research in this topic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This book is so fantastic that I, I personally paid for the audiobook and the digital version of this book, so I've double paid for the book, it's fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are probably a time that if you try to get the physical copy of the book, I got it on the shelf over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because it's just it's just that good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It really is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, as anything that's even I do in regards to books, we don't cover the entirety of the book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We we kind of do we do kind of cherry pick them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's also to encourage you guys to go buy these books and read the story and it's entirety because this is this book to me is out of out of this world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For this
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[SPEAKER_01]: for me this is probably the biggest book on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, like I said, they've put in the late work, they interviewed over 600 witnesses that were directly or indirectly associated with the
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's, it's nuts how much legwork is they not only did they did a phone call interviews, but they also went to Roswell several times boots on the ground interviewing people, meeting up with people, just I mean, the amount of work is insane, it's insane.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we talked about how Mac Brasal was the first to find the wreckage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he had a young boy that would stop by and work on the ranch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the young boy, he was about seven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe he was just trying to learn how to be a good ranch hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His name was Timothy Proctor, everyone called him D. Well, D was taken out to the record site with Mac Brazel and D actually collected some samples of the record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When Mac dropped
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[SPEAKER_01]: and went back out to the crash site, except this time he didn't go on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He, of course, took a bunch of his buddies out there with him, so he rallied up all the rancher's kids, essentially, and heads back out to this crash site.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a young girl with them, and some of the boys have mentioned her by name, but to this day, she refuses to talk about any part of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: something happened out there that no one knows about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because in the coming days, according to his mother, the redda, he would return home, and this is D, Lil Young D, he would return home and behave like someone or something had severely frightened him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one around him could get him to talk about what happened out there, which apparently tormented D for the rest of
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[SPEAKER_01]: what strange though is way later on in life when asked about the crash, he would joke about how he wasn't even born at the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, he's like, I wasn't even alive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So why would you guys even ask me about it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then one day in 1994, when his mother was suffering from a life-threatening blood-clotner neck, deans up taking her for a drive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To a very place that many people didn't know about, most people knew about the crash site, but this one was different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He took her on to a ridge about two and a half miles east.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All he said to his mother that day, while standing on the ridge with her, was, here's
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now I, beyond that, he never spoke any further and in, this is the quoting the official story and ended up taking the rest of it to his grave in 2006.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He died of a heart attack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to assume that he probably told his mom what he saw out there that day because you don't make you don't make a big drive like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to be like, this is where Mac found something else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just to be discreet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that just makes you more curious about that story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they built kids different in 47.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When I was seven years old, I was playing hot wheel cars and eating dirt and shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was on horseback, recover in alien body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was pretty cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a lot cooler than us build different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in 1998, another boy who was their name Sidney Wright known as Jack would tell everyone what happened, which may have been the cause of these silence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jack said that two sons of the rancher Thomas,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Edington, and one of Truman Pierce's daughters were able to get to the other location.
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[SPEAKER_01]: During this time, everyone in the surrounding area was going to these crash sites and collecting materials.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People were even hiding pieces of the crash where no one would find them, which was pretty fucking interesting considering it was only a balloon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were loading up as many pieces of this weightless metal that they could find and taking it home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They would go out to describe, or they would go on to describe pieces of debris like fiber-optic material, eye beam type material, and metal that you could water up, and it would basically just go back to its original form after you watered it up, so it was like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: almost like a memory, aluminum foil type material.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I remember watching...
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[SPEAKER_02]: the episode on Unsolved Mysteries about it, and that was the thing to stuck out my head, the recreation of the deputy crumbling up the material and then, like, how they special effects it to go back and to its original form, I just thought, I'm like, it's gotta be alien technology.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have anything like that here on Earth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's gotta be here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think now we do have something similar to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I read about I came from what's called we do have something slightly similar But does it have the same in the structural properties probably not
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was probably about the same time I was eating dirt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that just did in my mind when I saw that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, that's definitely, that's 100% UFO.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely at that time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would not do the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, get that's definitely a million.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 100% Mac Brasal even took pieces of this to others for advice on what it could be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People would try to burn it or cut it and they couldn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of this metal was shown at a local rodeo in July
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[SPEAKER_01]: At this point, the authorities had no idea about the crash or any of the debris, which is very different than what most people tell of this story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At this point, Brasal would run into his friend, a state police officer, his friend had never seen anything like this before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, listen, I'm headed up towards Hobbes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll take a piece of this metal and run it by the military and Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not known by many, Mac Brazel was actually getting pissed off because this was fucking up as ranch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The breed was everywhere, and the animals wouldn't go anywhere near it, which prevented them from going and getting water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So essentially at the end of the day, he didn't give a shit what according to some of the stories.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't give a shit what it was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's just trying to get somebody to come clean mess up, which is very, very much old school farmer mentality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Brassel also goes to Roswell and reports the debris.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This all made its way around town, and so more people started venturing out into the desert to find it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because remember that at this time, the UFO craze was at an all-time high, because you had all the reports earlier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A Charlie Schmid ended up finding and taking material which he said had funny writing on it, and it was really strong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he assumed it was some type of military experiment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: two brothers went out there and found material inside it would snap back in the place if you bent it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The brothers were asked in an interview if they had taken any of the pieces and they said, and I quote, I have nothing more to say about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they knew better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love the fact that so
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[SPEAKER_02]: So much of it was collected by Locals the locals that they're still could be guaranteed their pieces out there UFO pieces In somebody's attic or something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guarantee there is if you have a piece of the Roswell UFO Peo boxes in the show notes send it to us in the show notes God I will also buy some
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, that would be it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That, that would be, that would be the peak of our paranormal journey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All downhill from the moment we receive a piece of the Roswell UFO.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's, there's nothing that would make me happier than have a piece of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be so fucking right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the pinnacle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the house guy pinnacle is having a piece of the Roswell UFO.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that'd be so cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's crazy now that I'm kind of reading back on this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I feel like, because we will get to this later on, because there are some pretty fantastic things that happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mac Brasal's story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not told by him or anybody in this specific, there's a lot of avenues that merge together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because this section talks about how he went to the rodeo, runs into this guy and the guys like, yeah, I'll report it so on and so forth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a section later where he also talks to somebody else and they also intertwined and ended up speaking with the military.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like
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[SPEAKER_01]: in needing to get this shit off his farm and he's searching every avenue trying to figure out
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where to go with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, because you know, especially just just by him saying that I just want to clean up my animals can get the water you know that that that's the tip of the iceberg.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got people trespassing on this property all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got kids riding their horses out there, which is a liability at the very least.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you you know he's probably jumping at the bit just to wash his hands of all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the same time, the story has to either either there are sections of the story that get purposely left out by people or a lot happens in a short period of time because right now it feels like Brazil only knows about the debris.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's only trying to take care of the debris.
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[SPEAKER_01]: translate into however there are sections of the story that change later on were brazil may or may not have found something more and his story evolves further because we we do kind of go back and forth with brazil and his story will we been an out of it and plug it in when it when it fits but
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[SPEAKER_01]: At this point, now you insert the military, and you have Jesse Marcel and Captain Shared in caveat, and I believe these two are probably two of the most prominent names when it comes to the military being involved in this situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They with Mac went out to the debris field and picked up as much as they could, and they
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was one of the boys named Trinidad Chavez said he saw soldiers lined up and picking up all the materials out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There were also men with rifles out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Trinidad was actually hoping to go out there and pick up some of the materials for himself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at this point, there were way too many soldiers out there and he's like shit, I can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't get me any now because of all the military presence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So at this point, it's a little dicey because the military started to understand the scope of just how many civilians knew about the crash and had a visit at the area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this also, we will also weave in and out with this too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they begin to force the ranchers in the area to start informing on each other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who had taken materials from the site?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The military actually started going door to door.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and full on inspecting people's property.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They would go as far as to tear and up floorboards and livestock sheds, looking for material, just ripping people's property apart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And later on, this happens again, many years after.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So keep the military presence in mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, like I said, this story does a lot of like, the way the guys in the book,
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[SPEAKER_01]: do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They do a lot of weaving in and out and expanding in different stories, you know, into one giant timeline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, it can be a little hard to follow, but trust me, it's worth it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If, if it is a balloon, under what circumstances,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do they need this kind of military presence exactly armed guards guarding the crash site and then go door to door tearing up people's property to recover pieces of their weather below.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Get out of here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the past year, the troops spent over two days picking up everything they would they would line up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: walk over the area, bring in another group behind them in repeat said process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After all that was done, they finally bring in like these industrial fucking vacuums and start combing the area with those things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even up until the 90s, people have had home and car breakings
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[SPEAKER_01]: as it's the military looking for pieces of that crash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That it's it's think about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the fucking 90s, it's so, it's prominent enough that the people in town like it was probably the military breaking in to our cars and homes looking for this stuff.
26:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody, somebody
26:21
[SPEAKER_01]: and they broke in to try to find it.
26:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:23
[SPEAKER_02]: That's half a century after the UFO crash.
26:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck nuts.
26:31
[SPEAKER_01]: That is crazy.
26:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Which, what's like you said earlier, this is this, just by that alone in our opinion, which I think is fact, this is the biggest UFO story ever.
26:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
26:49
[SPEAKER_01]: That we know about.
26:52
[SPEAKER_02]: To to to this point right now, definitely the the biggest most popular UFO account.
27:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So there was a man named Dan Richards.
27:06
[SPEAKER_01]: He supposedly had actually shot a piece of this metal time and time again and it didn't do anything to it.
27:18
[SPEAKER_01]: shortly after this Dan was killed in a single vehicle accident.
27:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's all they wrote on Dan.
27:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Weird.
27:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of these situations do get a little dicey.
27:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Weird.
27:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It was now known around the area to keep your mouth shut about the incident.
27:36
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't fucking talk about it.
27:39
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the ranchers in the
27:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Refusing to talk about what I take in place, it was assumed that someone in the military had threatened them, not to mention other parents in the area whose children had seen this said their kids were never the same again.
28:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Almost all of these kids to this day refused to talk about what happened on those days.
28:16
[SPEAKER_01]: distraffle you are as a parent if your kid won't even fucking talk to you about it.
28:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Won't say a word.
28:24
[SPEAKER_01]: You're seven, nine, ten, twelve-year-old child is so afraid they won't even talk to you about it.
28:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
28:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And so in my opinion, somebody big from the military told them if you speak about this to anyone including your parents, I will kill them.
28:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
28:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Just think about it.
28:46
[SPEAKER_02]: When you're young, when you're preteens, you're at a point where you're terrified of the thority figures.
28:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
28:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you're just waiting to get in trouble.
28:55
[SPEAKER_02]: And if like in your brain, they're probably the top of thority figures.
29:00
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, military people.
29:02
[SPEAKER_02]: And if they catch you and then they're threatening you, it doesn't get any worse than that.
29:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
29:12
[SPEAKER_01]: But here's the, here's the kicker.
29:17
[SPEAKER_01]: All of these kids that act this way.
29:21
[SPEAKER_01]: They all reference the quote unquote, other location.
29:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Now earlier I mentioned a young boy named Sydney Wright or Jack and how he told of what happened.
29:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And here's what he said.
29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: They were bodies, small bodies with big heads and eyes, and Mac was there too.
29:47
[SPEAKER_01]: We couldn't get away from there fast enough.
29:51
[SPEAKER_01]: So something in seeing those bodies changed the perspective of every single person that seeing those bodies.
30:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Because as we evolve in this story, you will kind of fall into this groove of for the people that witnessed the bodies, these are the ones that the military really, really, really focused on when it came to threats monitoring all of it.
30:36
[SPEAKER_01]: the bodies were the big, big focus.
30:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's crazy.
30:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And I realized that in 47 ideas and thought processes are far different than they are now.
30:52
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's crazy to me that even simply seeing these bodies fuck these people up that bad.
31:03
[SPEAKER_01]: because I don't feel like it's the same today.
31:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, fuck, I'm up in a way where they're like, I'm not even gonna talk about it.
31:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not getting knowledge of this, the rest of my life.
31:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it, but I guess I'm wrong too, because there are people that have experiences with the grace and refuse to talk about that.
31:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, I guess I am wrong in that retrospect of it.
31:26
[SPEAKER_02]: For it to completely change the dynamic of it, it being,
31:32
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, almost this, what's the word I'm looking for?
31:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Like attraction, you know, to where everybody and their friends were going out there to collect in pieces, but then for them to see the body and their first natural reaction is to get us far away from it as quick as possible, completely like changes the narrative.
31:55
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird, right?
32:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I would probably try to get away from a gray.
32:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I probably fight it first, then get away from it.
32:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder, does I didn't pay enough time or enough attention?
32:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder what the time frame is.
32:18
[SPEAKER_01]: If this is true, if, which I do believe, I do believe Mac, braze and a lot of these other people saw the bodies.
32:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to know the time frame from when Mac would have seen the bodies to when the military became informed and impossession of said bodies because and I'm going to spoil or spoil a little bit of the next episode.
32:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It was rumored that one of the bodies at least one of the bodies was alive.
33:02
[SPEAKER_01]: when it was found.
33:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So my question, was there some type of interaction between brazil and the children and said live alien that scarred them for the rest of their lives?
33:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because it gets, it gets confusing that
33:29
[SPEAKER_02]: It gets confusing that people could go out and collect parts of the downed craft, but not see the body.
33:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, that's where we got to clear up things too.
33:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you brought that up because by what these guys have put together and collected, there's three crash sites.
33:50
[SPEAKER_02]: that that makes more sense.
33:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have the debris field, which is over.
33:55
[SPEAKER_01]: The foster ranch, which whereas where Mac Brasal works, that is one of the most well-known ones.
34:02
[SPEAKER_01]: There's been a lot of people who talk about a second crash site.
34:05
[SPEAKER_01]: The second crash site was up on a ridge and they said there were a couple bodies found right there.
34:19
[SPEAKER_01]: was estimated to be about two miles away from the foster ranch where Mac Brazel worked.
34:28
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes a lot more sense.
34:30
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's still regardless.
34:34
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like everybody right now in the story who witnessed the bodies when they were out there came back changed.
34:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like I said, it would be really important and interesting to see the military intertwined with Mac Brasal and the children encountering the bodies, see that time frame.
35:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the military caught wind of them seeing the bodies and then they interjected into these kids and Mac's life and threatened the holy hell out of them or did something happen?
35:16
[SPEAKER_01]: with the live alien or alien to the time that changed the way these kids and Mac operate for the rest of their life.
35:30
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be interesting.
35:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something I didn't consider until we're kind of replaying this in my mind.
35:37
[SPEAKER_02]: that is interesting, but that does make sense that there were two crash sites because you could easily have someone collecting pieces in what not from a fostered ranch without encountering the beings.
35:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and supposedly there was a third site further on down that had it was like I guess it was it's theorized that was the final crash site and it also had bodies there too.
36:11
[SPEAKER_02]: because I had heard musings of there being two crash sites.
36:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I never heard three, but I had heard two to where either the ship had possibly broken up in air or as we talked to off air, like it almost did sort of a stone skipping kind of thing as it hit, but I never heard of a third.
36:37
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's interesting.
36:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going back to Mr. Brasel here, and into his kind of like origins, the night before finding all the debris in the past year, there was a massive thunderstorm, thunder and lightning storm, and Brasel actually thought he had heard a loud explosion that night.
37:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And as we've talked about, he heads into town when he gets to Roswell, he goes to the Sheriff's office, links up with Sheriff Burning Clark, this prompted him to get a hold of Sheriff Wilcox.
37:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It was actually off for the weekend, so it wasn't happy being kind of called in.
37:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially on a weekend, but he shows up and will, Wilcox actually saw the debris and to give a fuck less about it.
37:35
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't give a shit.
37:37
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like dude, fuck this.
37:40
[SPEAKER_01]: So at this, at this time, as ironic as it is, Wilcox gets a call.
37:49
[SPEAKER_01]: from the Roswell radio station, KGFL.
37:53
[SPEAKER_01]: A man named Frank Joyce was actually looking for local news he could put on the air.
37:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So talk about like stumbling into the biggest story ever.
38:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
38:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Wilcox was then able to pawn off Brasal onto local radio stations like, fuck, thank God.
38:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Then god you know what I do I have so many you can talk to he's right here hands mac the phone is like here take this I'm out
38:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Brasal talked to Frank for a while and Frank actually convinces him to contact the air base then the conversation ended and as you see as I said before this Mac Brasal story intertwines in different directions because we hear this here where he's talking to the radio guy the radio guy's like yo go to the air station well there was earlier where he went to the rodeo ran to the sheriff guy in the sheriff's like hey I'm actually on my way to the the military base
38:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll take some of this there and talk to them about it.
38:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Point being though that would also, in my opinion, prompt the military to take this seriously because it's like, fuck, now we have more than one person reporting we better get out there and look into this shit.
39:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Just what I was going to say, you got people coming from all different avenues, uh, uh, essentially journalists and, um, uh, law enforcement officers being like, hey, something weird is going on out here, kind of lights a fire under the military's ass.
39:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
39:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So two days later, the Roswell Daily Record aired the RAF Roswell Air Force, whatever the fucking is, airfield.
39:43
[SPEAKER_01]: captures flying saucer on Rao's Will Ranch.
39:47
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the headline they run, which gets redacted the very next day.
39:52
[SPEAKER_01]: To the store we all know about the weather bloom.
39:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, it's also known that during this time, Mack gets taken into custody and essentially disappears for almost a week.
40:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, another odd thing is that after his detainment with the RAF, Mack changes his story.
40:12
[SPEAKER_01]: This is when Max, the description comes out that he says he found rubber, tin foil, and sticks, which match the weather balloon story.
40:25
[SPEAKER_02]: They got to him.
40:26
[SPEAKER_02]: They got to him.
40:27
[SPEAKER_02]: What did they, there, there has to be a reason for him to be arrested or detained, right?
40:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he saw aliens.
40:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
40:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they have to have something on the record books like to hold somebody for a week and not charge them with anything.
40:40
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of a, kind of a no, no, but it's also the military, so really no, they probably would have ran on a national security reasons.
40:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:48
[SPEAKER_01]: A guarantee.
40:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody, that's the reason for everything.
40:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
40:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So another odd thing is that after his detainment with the RAF, oh, I already said that.
40:59
[SPEAKER_01]: He changed his story.
41:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Brasal was not in a good mood after all was said and done with the Air Force military.
41:08
[SPEAKER_01]: He told his family that he would never report anything to the government ever again.
41:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, it was known that Mac was nothing more
41:23
[SPEAKER_01]: literally just scraping by his entire life living off the land.
41:29
[SPEAKER_01]: But right after his encounter with the military, he was able to go and buy himself a brand new pick-up.
41:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so there was another coursing thing.
41:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
41:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And it does make you wonder,
41:49
[SPEAKER_01]: why they spent so much time on Mac because he seemed like a very patriotic man and a reasonable man living off the land like he essentially got to the point where he's like you know what it's my duty to go report this to the government because this is fucked up you know so i'm gonna go do this and then he is treated like he did and they decided to keep him for almost a week or more and kind of working over
42:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Brasal also talked to his daughter later on after he was finally returned.
42:23
[SPEAKER_01]: He told her, do not believe anything you read about me.
42:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Here in the future, because the government is going to use me to keep something secret.
42:34
[SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.
42:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially after he was
42:45
[SPEAKER_02]: very healthily coerced to change the story.
42:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was also bribed, but then still it's to the point to where he's like, I would never tell the government anything ever again.
42:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, to me that shows how just downright bitter he was over the entire situation.
43:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And rightfully so like, I think I think for a man like that, it's not, it's not about being worked over.
43:15
[SPEAKER_01]: My guess is they crossed lines with him, because they were punching him for something he didn't do.
43:22
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, all he's doing is reporting this shit, and then be most likely they threatened his family, which fucking pissed him off.
43:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't feel like I don't feel like a man.
43:37
[SPEAKER_01]: If he did something wrong and they're throwing a book at him, most men are like, hey, you know, yeah, yeah, I get it, right?
43:45
[SPEAKER_01]: But you go, at least that's how I am.
43:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You go and you punish me for something I didn't fucking do.
43:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be living.
43:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And then on top of that, you threaten my family.
43:55
[SPEAKER_01]: You threaten to kill my baby girl or my boy.
43:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, now we're in a different arena altogether.
44:04
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think like, you have to think about the time period it was and the kind of guy Brasal was just a salt of the earth, the rancher, all they had back then was, was their word and their honesty and their credibility was built on that and they're basically forcing him to lie, which I don't know, Brasal personally, but just painting a broad brush of people
44:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, like all they had was their word.
44:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's good point.
44:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And now you're making, you're not only forcing him to change his story and lie, but you're forcing him to do it on a global scale.
44:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, national at the very least, but global scale.
44:51
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point.
44:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that probably, I mean, I feel like for me personally, that would come with a form of embarrassment, because like you said, my word is my thing.
45:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And now you're making me recant that and then now I look like the asshole and you can't even defend yourself at that point exactly.
45:06
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point.
45:07
[SPEAKER_01]: That's solid.
45:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
45:08
[SPEAKER_01]: That's solid.
45:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Brassal son would actually press him about it and he's like, you know, what happened that like what the fuck?
45:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And Brassal would just snap and just be like dude, you don't want to know and he would freak the fuck out.
45:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Help around the ranch would also further note that Brazzle was never the same.
45:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Not only did he never talk about the incident again, but he just flat out wouldn't talk to anyone any more about anything.
45:36
[SPEAKER_01]: This is how fucked up he was over that whole situation, and that was, that had to been from the military aspect of it.
45:47
[SPEAKER_01]: because prior that there's real record of him still speaking with people and kind of doing this thing.
45:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, went to the rodeo.
45:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever they did to him in the military had to been just wretched and they, and he would have had to believe it that they would come out.
46:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I guarantee they threatened his family.
46:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I would assume if all he had seen was some debris or whatnot, this is the other thing.
46:10
[SPEAKER_01]: If he, if all he would have seen was debris, I feel like a guy like
46:19
[SPEAKER_01]: What you witnessed out there was it's national security.
46:25
[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually part of a secret military program that we're using to thwart the Russians and we cannot have this getting out.
46:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Brasal would have been like, oh shit, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.
46:39
[SPEAKER_01]: But I got you, yeah, yeah.
46:42
[SPEAKER_01]: No worries, man, but they didn't.
46:53
[SPEAKER_01]: because I just feel like if you would have come in and been like, listen, you saw material from a secret project that we're doing.
47:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, even Steven, I under the right circumstances, we both would be like, you know, that makes sense.
47:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got you.
47:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, we'll keep your secret in.
47:15
[SPEAKER_02]: especially if they if they especially if they spun the narrative there's national security your post world war two the new big bad is a Soviet union all they would have to say is that what you saw was a secret project that we can't have Soviets knowing about yeah and especially post world war two right out of world war two everybody in America would have been like all right bet yeah i agree
47:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So like I said, I feel like undoubtedly brazzle saw something else.
47:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you can't, you can put a lid on some anomalous wreckage.
47:55
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't put a lid on alien bodies.
47:57
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm gonna guess you can.
48:01
[SPEAKER_02]: But you're gonna have to go about it a lot differently.
48:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So we go back to the radio station, Frank Joyce.
48:10
[SPEAKER_01]: the one the sheriff pond brazil off onto.
48:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Well he tells a little bit different story.
48:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He had four or he had interviews with Mac and he said that he had four interviews with the Mac.
48:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, and I'm gonna assume this is before Mac got taken into custody.
48:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Frank.
48:36
[SPEAKER_01]: was our Mac.
48:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Mac was ready to tell a different story.
48:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And for this, I'm going to quote directly from the book because it's too good not to.
48:48
[SPEAKER_01]: July 6, 1947, shortly after Brasal had arrived in Roswell to report his discovery as revealed to us for the first time by Frank Joyce.
48:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Razzle is angry at this point.
49:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's going to clean all this stuff up?
49:02
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I want to know.
49:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I need someone out there to clean it up.
49:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So this would be, yeah, this is him and the radio guy talking.
49:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Joyce, Frank Joyce, what's stuff?
49:13
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you talking about?
49:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Raisle.
49:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't know.
49:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't know what it is.
49:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's from one of them flying saucer things.
49:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Joyce, oh really?
49:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you should call the air base.
49:27
[SPEAKER_01]: They are responsible for everything that flies in the air.
49:29
[SPEAKER_01]: They should be able to help you or tell you what it is.
49:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It says that this point according to Joyce Braswell really started losing it.
49:40
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, Oh God.
49:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.
49:43
[SPEAKER_01]: What am I going to do?
49:44
[SPEAKER_01]: It's horrible.
49:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Horrible.
49:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Just horrible.
49:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Joyce is like, Joyce, what's that?
49:50
[SPEAKER_01]: What's horrible?
49:50
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you talking about?
49:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Braswell, the stench.
49:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Just awful.
49:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Joyce, stench, from what?
49:58
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you talking about?
50:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Razzle.
50:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Little people.
50:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, little creatures.
50:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Joyce.
50:15
[SPEAKER_01]: This is crazy.
50:17
[SPEAKER_01]: He decided to play the role of devil's advocate to a story to not believe.
50:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So Joyce is like, what?
50:26
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
50:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Where?
50:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Where did you find them?
50:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Razzle says, someplace else.
50:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Joyce, well, you know, the military is always firing rockets and experimenting with monkeys and things.
50:40
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe in Brazil, God damn it, they're not monkeys and they're not human.
50:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And at that point, he slams the phone in the conversation, hangs up on the radio guy for trying to dismiss him.
50:58
[SPEAKER_01]: With that interview locked in, the studio was ready to air the biggest story ever.
51:04
[SPEAKER_01]: They took Brazzle to the station's own Walt Whitmore senior and recorded Brazzle's testimony.
51:11
[SPEAKER_01]: So Brazzle ends up going further, and I'm assuming recounts his entire story.
51:21
[SPEAKER_01]: But the U.S. Army took custody of Brasal and the KGFL wire recording shortly after George Roberts, who was a minority owner, gets a long distance call from T.J.
51:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Slowly, who was the executive secretary of the FCC.
51:42
[SPEAKER_01]: He warned them about being involved with national security.
51:45
[SPEAKER_01]: If they aired any portion of Brassel's interview or issue any statement, they would lose their broadcasting license period at the end.
51:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Weird.
51:56
[SPEAKER_01]: If that's not weird enough, a few minutes later, they get another call from Washington.
52:02
[SPEAKER_01]: U.S.
52:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Senator Dennis Chavez suggested the station to exactly as the FCC had directed.
52:10
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's crazy how fast the government actually got a handle on this because at the same time you have an Albuquerque or you have an Albuquerque at K-O-A-T radio, which is an affiliate of ABC and mutual networks.
52:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Secretary Lydia Slapby can remember when John McBoyle received a phone call and was frantic.
52:32
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like Lydia.
52:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Get ready for a massive scoop.
52:36
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got to get on the wire right now, a flying saucer has crashed in Roswell.
52:43
[SPEAKER_01]: He was just fucking a static, which once again, what a time to be alive, being a part of this would be fucking electric.
52:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, she's using a teletype and Lydia alerted ABC News headquarters in Hollywood and told them to expect a high bullet in the story.
53:03
[SPEAKER_01]: She said it's a big crumpled dish pan and get this, they're saying little men were on board.
53:09
[SPEAKER_01]: But then, a bell rang, which meant someone was contacting them on TeleType.
53:15
[SPEAKER_01]: They received a message in it read.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Attention Albuquerque, do not transmit, repeat, do not transmit this message, stop communication, immediately, national security matter.
53:29
[SPEAKER_01]: This message came from the FBI.
53:33
[SPEAKER_01]: that.
53:35
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so crazy.
53:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And like instantly after this McBoyle completely changed, he said, just forget about it.
53:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You never heard it.
53:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're not supposed to know he to the day he died.
53:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Would always say I don't remember in regards to that story.
53:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Whits.
53:55
[SPEAKER_02]: So brassels, brassels main interview.
53:59
[SPEAKER_02]: that they put, that they, he, when he went to the station and put it down, never air, right?
54:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
54:06
[SPEAKER_01]: The military took it.
54:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So how would they even know that's what I'm saying.
54:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Never recorded.
54:12
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.
54:13
[SPEAKER_02]: If it never aired.
54:15
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.
54:16
[SPEAKER_02]: You would have to have someone in the studio squawking, or they had to have ears all over the place.
54:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude.
54:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, like I said, it's amazing how fast once they focused on it, how fast they would get a handle on shit, which I don't know how to, I mean, I'm assuming a teletype works, you know, like, like early form of text message, why are text messages?
54:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:49
[SPEAKER_02]: So they probably did have ways to monitor.
54:54
[SPEAKER_02]: messages that when came and went, probably looking for, they probably had people 24 seven, looking for keywords, flying saucer, little men.
55:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And when that hit, as soon as they sent the breaking, breaking news story to ABC Hollywood, crumpledish pan, little men, and they were like, being shut the fuck up.
55:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, it's fucking nuts.
55:22
[SPEAKER_01]: So, beyond this, as we know, Mac Brasal now changes his story.
55:27
[SPEAKER_01]: When the military took Brasal to KGFL, so they take Brasal from the radio station, after his interview, confiscate everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do the thing, then they bring him back to KGFL.
55:43
[SPEAKER_01]: He sits down on the microphone.
55:46
[SPEAKER_01]: were that retracted his original story.
55:49
[SPEAKER_01]: He was on board with the weather balloon story.
55:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So Brassal goes out and like the hall where whatever Frank confronts him, goes out there and confronts him.
55:59
[SPEAKER_01]: The military guys that are with Brassal are in a different room.
56:04
[SPEAKER_01]: friend confronts him and he's like, what the fuck?
56:07
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't the story you told me the first time around.
56:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Brasal was like, listen, they told me that would go hard on me and if I if I didn't do what they said.
56:18
[SPEAKER_01]: As Brasal was walking away from him, Joyce asked, what about the green little or little green men?
56:25
[SPEAKER_01]: He looks back at, at Frank and goes, they weren't green.
56:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he walks through the door with the military guys.
56:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you have another addition to the cover up story, but it's a completely different angle.
56:41
[SPEAKER_01]: He of a photographer from the Associated Press named Robin Adar.
56:47
[SPEAKER_01]: They received a call telling him to get the Roswell in New Mexico immediately, even if it means getting an airplane.
56:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So before he lands in Roswell he instructs the pilot to fly around so he can get some aerial shots.
56:58
[SPEAKER_01]: But he couldn't, so that it was jam-pad with the FBI and shit, so much so they wouldn't let the plane get within three quarters of a mile of this place.
57:10
[SPEAKER_01]: He also described a gouging in the land.
57:13
[SPEAKER_01]: He also said he saw two recovery sites.
57:17
[SPEAKER_01]: They set off to interview Brazel who seemed to relay the cover story to them.
57:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone kind of realizing he's playing ball with a military now.
57:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Another photographer named Alan Grant was sent out as well.
57:40
[SPEAKER_01]: He even did the last photo shoot with Marilyn Monroe before she died.
57:45
[SPEAKER_01]: She or he was with what's her name, Marina Oswald, President Kennedy's wife after he was assassinated.
57:55
[SPEAKER_01]: He took pictures of the atomic bomb test in Nevada.
57:58
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's like a legit fucking dude.
58:02
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets sent the Roswell to photograph a huge meteor.
58:10
[SPEAKER_01]: that crashed in Roswell.
58:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Now Grant was assigned a pilot.
58:14
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a little sussie.
58:16
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets assigned a pilot when he gets there.
58:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell him to find out the pilot was military.
58:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they take off to go to the meteor crash site.
58:24
[SPEAKER_01]: When they landed, the pilot handed Grant a pistol.
58:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, what the fuck do I need this for?
58:32
[SPEAKER_01]: The guy was like, my orders were to arm you.
58:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And Grant's like, against what?
58:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, military dude, literally shrugs his soldiers and goes, we don't know.
58:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
58:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he says, you know, of course, we never end up finding the media here.
58:55
[SPEAKER_02]: How?
58:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Terrifying what that be.
58:59
[SPEAKER_02]: They fly you in to take photographs of a meteor crash Before you can step off the plane or the helicopter whatever the fuck they're like we are orders were to arm you.
59:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah No fuck me out.
59:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'd be like, um, no Yeah, you guys go out there first
59:20
[SPEAKER_02]: before the predator comes out of that hole.
59:26
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so now Mac Brasal's son, Bill, wants to dig further into this encounter.
59:32
[SPEAKER_01]: So we ended up going back out there, and this is, I believe this is years later.
59:37
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes back out there, and he's able to find enough pieces that fill a cigar box.
59:43
[SPEAKER_01]: One night, he's got a local bar.
59:48
[SPEAKER_01]: and he's bragging about it, you know.
59:51
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't really brag about it.
59:52
[SPEAKER_01]: He tells people in a bar like, hey, I found some pieces, you know, enough to fill a cigar box.
59:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Mind you, this is two years after the actual crash.
1:00:03
[SPEAKER_01]: The very next day, military's at his door, asking for the cigar box.
1:00:10
[SPEAKER_01]: What you did in an upturning over, but on top of that, the military ended up going through the entire house.
1:00:16
[SPEAKER_01]: literally ripping it apart.
1:00:18
[SPEAKER_01]: They pride up his floorboards in his fucking bedroom, ripped out dresser drawers through them on the ground.
1:00:24
[SPEAKER_01]: The family said it felt more like a warning and then actually looking for something because they didn't like it.
1:00:30
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't even look through the dresser drawers.
1:00:32
[SPEAKER_01]: They just pulled them out and threw them.
1:00:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Just dumped like classic television stuff.
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly exactly.
1:00:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Just ransack.
1:00:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:00:42
[SPEAKER_01]: They even went out to the cattle shed, cut open every bag of feed, dumped it out, even termed over, turned over, uh, water holding tanks, just they didn't even say anything.
1:00:52
[SPEAKER_01]: They just did it and then they left.
1:00:56
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a sergeant, burnt sholes that came forward with information on the subject.
1:01:02
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a B-20, B-29 electrician assigned to the
1:01:07
[SPEAKER_01]: 393rd bomb squadron at Roswell Airfield.
1:01:12
[SPEAKER_01]: He said that in December of 1947, which was roughly five months after the incident, he would hear the MPs talking around the base.
1:01:20
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the MPs were actually going around bragging how they were getting rough with civilians over the incident.
1:01:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you have a 100G pin who was in the 303rd bomb group known as the Hell's Angels
1:01:35
[SPEAKER_01]: During the 47 crash, he was actually assigned at right field.
1:01:41
[SPEAKER_01]: When he was there, he took part in assignment that sent him to different places around Roswell.
1:01:46
[SPEAKER_01]: He was brought in specifically to manage civilian military affairs and to ensure an information blackout regarding the event.
1:01:55
[SPEAKER_01]: He was to question anyone who might know something, especially about the little bodies,
1:02:05
[SPEAKER_01]: with orders to focus on ranchers, farmers, and, quote unquote, simple types.
1:02:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Hunter was even given the green light that if threatening them didn't work, he was able to use physical force, including weaponry to enforce said silence.
1:02:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Hunter ended up telling his daughter years later about all of this, and he told her that it was, in fact, a UFO crash, and there were aliens inside.
1:02:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Also,
1:02:34
[SPEAKER_01]: We had no idea where they were from, or what their intentions were.
1:02:40
[SPEAKER_01]: With all that being said, clearly the brassels were still being watched, things got a little strange for the brassels in years later.
1:02:49
[SPEAKER_01]: In 1960, Max Jungus Sun Vernon would disappear, if he'd come home and disappear.
1:02:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry when.
1:02:59
[SPEAKER_02]: they never found it.
1:03:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't as far as I know.
1:03:02
[SPEAKER_02]: What the fuck?
1:03:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Mac would die from a massive heart attack in 1963.
1:03:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Max Granson, William R. Brasel, was shot to death with two companions during hunting in 1964.
1:03:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And one hunter, an additional hunter, was killed by a second bullet.
1:03:24
[SPEAKER_01]: The state police would go on to say they were both shot on accident.
1:03:28
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
1:03:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:03:33
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
1:03:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, you're just, I mean, think about that.
1:03:37
[SPEAKER_01]: If, if it's true, that these are not accidents that these are, say the military stepping in and doing things, you're talking almost 20 years later, they start making people disappear.
1:03:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, cause
1:03:59
[SPEAKER_02]: What are the odds of that amount of tragedy hitting one?
1:04:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Boom, boom, boom.
1:04:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Family.
1:04:06
[SPEAKER_02]: One kid goes missing and the other one dies in a tragic hunting accident.
1:04:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Along with his buddies were two bullets accidentally shot different people.
1:04:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:04:19
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fucking crazy.
1:04:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:04:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:04:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where I'm going to end the story for this episode.
1:04:29
[SPEAKER_02]: It also, but I guess there's different, because I guess there's different crash sites in debris fields, because I'm like, if they were fine toothed, comb in the OG crash site with vacuums and shit, how the fuck did he go back out there and find a shoebox full of material, but it doesn't necessarily- Two years later, he was at the same crash site.
1:04:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Two years later, and even Bill was saying,
1:04:57
[SPEAKER_02]: and some of that should be buried under feet and feet of dirt.
1:05:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah.
1:05:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's coming in and hitting where you're assuming with some pretty good velocity.
1:05:05
[SPEAKER_02]: He he he coming from the damn atmosphere.
1:05:09
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no way they found every single piece.
1:05:10
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
1:05:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Which that makes sense too.
1:05:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:05:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, you know, here's for the proof that the military kept watching people on this story.
1:05:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And they had to either had to have either had to have people
1:05:27
[SPEAKER_02]: in town as they're their little stool pigeons or they had to have the whole town fucking bug.
1:05:38
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
1:05:39
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just crazy.
1:05:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Because dude found the pieces and went into the bar was like, oh, they're still shit out there.
1:05:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Literally the next day they show up.
1:05:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:05:48
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was, that was what you got.
1:05:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Two years past.
1:05:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Two years.
1:05:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Which yeah, fucking nuts.
1:05:56
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm assuming, and I'd be willing to bet, in regards to the brazos, they probably still had material.
1:06:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I bet old Mac fucking hit a bunch of that shit.
1:06:09
[SPEAKER_02]: And you got to think.
1:06:12
[SPEAKER_02]: They probably kept watching and they probably threatened so many people in town even people that didn't have anything to do with it They probably went to all those all the like because it's a small town They probably went to all the social hubs, you know bars and shit It's all talk to the bartender.
1:06:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, if you hear anybody talk about this you call us So if you're this bar just can burn down.
1:06:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, your house is getting burned down.
1:06:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And apparently immediately immediately It scares shit out of them.
1:06:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, especially back then
1:06:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, yeah, these people didn't have much anyways, that's crazy.
1:06:48
[SPEAKER_01]: They said there were two work and phones in town.
1:06:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Can't trust anybody.
1:06:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Almost no electricity.
1:06:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Can't trust anyone.
1:06:55
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
1:06:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, just went in to get a drink, probably a diet soda.
1:07:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Said, hey, I found some UFO parts.
1:07:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Immediately knocked him out.
1:07:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Unacceptable.
1:07:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's uh the end of this episode Next one is fucking rad heaters heaters like I said stories a lot bigger than what we all have thought about oh I don't I don't I Got my information from Unsold mystery so that's a you can only get so much and do like a seven minute episode well the next the next episode is probably one of my favorites
1:07:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to hear that, you're going to tune in next week.
1:07:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
1:07:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, if you listen to this and then listen to the first one, you don't listen to instructions very well.
1:07:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I told you that at the beginning of the show.
1:07:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're invested now, you're going to listen to next week because we're swinging back in with it.
1:07:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Part three.
1:07:58
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to check it out.
1:08:01
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1:08:07
[SPEAKER_02]: And until we meet again, stay safe, stay weird.
1:08:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And like Brazil said, don't trust the government.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That easy.