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Ryan Keith (Part 1) | The Christian Reeve Podcast #176 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Christian re
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  podcast. Today's guest is the creator of
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  a show called the mediation files.
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  Now, this one was a bit interesting when I came across
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  this, because I was sitting down, and I was trying to figure
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  out what exactly you did. But before I go into that,
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  welcome to the show. Brian.
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  Keith. How you doing?
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  Thank you. Thank you, I'm doing well.
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  How about yourself? Yeah.
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  Not too bad, not too bad. See.
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  Okay, this is interesting. Resting, because your show.
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  From an outsider's perspective looking it, okay.
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  That this the setup of the show is you have a few people and
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  you're the mediator, right? And you are mediating like a,
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  you know, squabble a situation and to be honest when I looked
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  at that as like that's brilliant, that's a fantastic
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  concept. I've never seen that before.
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  If it's, if it's been done before, I haven't seen it but
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  big but so and of course when I reached out to you as like these
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  our actors And you were like, yes and you're very transparent
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  about that straight away and I thought, okay, this is this is
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  interesting. And when I was planning the
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  research for this show because I'll just say as well, everyone
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  that ever appears on this show, I want them to come off the show
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  in a positive light, you know, look people.
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  Look at them favorably, stuff like that.
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  So this isn't me mocking you or trying to destroy the structure
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  your show. I just want to understand.
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  Okay I just I get so many questions about Out this show
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  and from an outsider's view looking in.
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  It's just a weird show. You know, I don't even doing
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  that now. So now it's I want to say two
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  years, two years now, you know, and like you mentioned, I mean,
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  it's a weird show. The hardest part is finding
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  people, you know, trying to collaborate the time schedules
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  with people because we have people from all over the world,
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  right? We have people from England.
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  Canada. Australia.
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  Like we have people from everywhere and so collaborating
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  the time zones I think is one of the hardest parts about doing
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  this. You know, when you want to reach
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  out and not just stay in the states, okay, but like, when
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  you, what I'm trying to understand with this, right?
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  Is yeah, why not just do it for real?
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  Why have actors? I don't get that.
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  Please explain this to me. Okay.
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  So If you eat like you said you watched the show and things like
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  that and the motivation came from, obviously Court shows, you
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  know, judge shows things like that and one thing I noticed is
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  that a lot of people are scared to have their real problems come
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  out, right? So as out of the world as my
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  show is right? It's all written.
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  I wrote it. It's hard to find people that
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  are like okay. Absolutely.
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  You know, I did have this issue with a babysitter who was an
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  arsonist and she kidnapped my kid and you know it's hard but
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  at the same time, you know, I didn't want it to be like a
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  regular Court shows where they're kind of I found them to
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  be kind of bland, right. I kind, I found them to be very
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  normal and just what you would expect typical.
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  So I wanted to make something outrageous, you know, completely
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  out there And I know only a select few people would actually
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  be into this because there are so many people have turned it
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  down that I can't do this, even if it's scripted, I can't do
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  this. I can't do this.
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  It's like, so that's where I knew easier to go script it than
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  to go real. I don't know if maybe you've
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  considered this before but like, okay, I'll just say this.
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  Now, I want this show to succeed.
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  I really do because I think that there's a lot of potential in
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  this idea, but it needs a major tweak.
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  I think that It doesn't make sense and this is the thing I
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  showed it to a house made of mine and I was like, Hey look
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  check this out and I was like this is scripted right?
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  Like I'm not imagining this and he was like yeah, that's okay.
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  So what and then I started sitting down and then we had a
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  laugh about it and stuff but it's fun.
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  And it don't get me wrong, it's entertaining.
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  But I just couldn't get for the life of me, understand like the
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  motivation behind it. And we'll get into your goals
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  and motivations in a second, right?
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  For just general at large. But as far as the structure is
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  concerned, have you ever thought about About maybe because you
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  said that your problem is you've had difficulty finding people
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  that would do this for real, and I completely understand that
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  it's, you're throwing yourself out there.
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  It's, you know, it can only really bring negative things
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  especially when it's a problem like this and I was wondering,
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  like, what if you would? Get people to agree to share
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  their stories but get the actors to portray.
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  So you can sort of say like, oh hey this is, these are all true
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  stories but these are paid actors and it's like
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  transparent. So it's like it is real but it's
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  played out by axes. No, that's a that's a good idea.
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  No, that's a very, I like that. I never really thought of that.
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  I always just thought about skipping the middleman, you
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  know, the real story of the real stories, right?
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  It's giving them. You know?
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  And I was like, well, if somebody is going to come up
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  with a crazy story, I can come up with a crazy story, could I
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  could come up with something completely ridiculous, you know,
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  but I like that idea actually of having people come up with a
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  real stories. I just don't know how absurd
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  they're going to be and that was the key to the whole show was
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  just absurdity, you know, nothing serious.
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  You know, borderline of this is realistic but probably not, you
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  know, kind of that borderline. And so that was a that was the
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  passion. Like that was the motivation I
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  think for this. But here I could put out my
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  feelers definitely and if people came on their own Like, okay, I
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  have this story, but I want to remain anonymous completely
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  Anonymous. I have this story, then that
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  would definitely give me more stories to tweak.
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  I just feel like it would be more compelling if it was if it
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  was real. Like that's the, the kind of the
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  difficulty that I have with this idea is not that it doesn't
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  happen tential, although, it's not good.
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  Because, yeah, I sat down. And, to be honest, the most
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  important thing is, is a show entertaining.
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  This is entertaining, but it's a bit like Professional wrestling.
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  The vered me on this analogy but you know, like, you know, like
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  when you're watching it and you kind of get pulled and suck it
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  out of that, because something will, what's the expression they
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  use it? Will it makes it difficult for
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  you to suspend your disbelief. I feel like the fact that, you
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  know, that it's not real, maybe bresson's a bad example, because
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  everyone knows it's not real, but maybe like that kind of
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  sucks it out because then you're wondering, like, what is the
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  most What is the purpose it? What's the, what's the point?
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  You know, if the point is to just share fun stories, I get
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  that it's like storytelling, it's fun.
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  It's I get that but I feel like, especially with the rise of
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  popularity things like True Crime and like reenactments.
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  I know here in the UK. We've got like so and this has
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  been happening for many many decades, like these reenactment
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  shows where it will be. They'll tell you they'll show a
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  scenario and they'll deconstruct it with like quite graphic, kind
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  of reconstructions. But I'll use paid actors.
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  It is quite compelling and it's quite suppose visually
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  stimulating because you're not only a you hearing the real
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  people involved or, you know, people close to them or
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  something like kind of talking about it.
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  Maybe it's investigators, whatever the case may be, but
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  you're kind of also getting the adage of seeing I can visual
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  interpretation of it. So it kind of helps you
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  visualize the situation? Yeah.
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  I feel like with this idea, It would be.
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  I feel like it would take off if it was based on a true story.
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  I really do. I think there's something to
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  that. Okay, no, I get it and a lot of
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  my stories don't come from. Just my mind, their tweet, you
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  know, based on what I've seen. Like the example, one of the
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  last episodes I did was called st.
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  Augustine and I don't know if you saw that one but that was
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  basically that was based off a guy at story.
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  I got from actually one of my I don't want to Seco Rider, but he
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  gives me ideas a lot. And that idea was based off, a
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  guy who uses inmate searches to find women because he wasn't
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  good on Tinder or Bumble. So, what he would do is he would
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  go to the prison inmate search website and he would bail out
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  random women and they would have to come home with him.
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  And so that was the basis of that, all right?
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  Yeah, but it was a real story and then they got tweaked to,
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  you know, however, if formulated in the in the show Cut back up
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  because I had this is a thing, you can, there's a director, you
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  can either. But like I said, one of my
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  co-writers, he told me. He's like, yeah, man, there's
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  there was this guy and say Augustine who he would build out
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  these random women's, then this random money on these women,
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  usually go, you know, low money and they would have to come home
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  with him. And then when he was done with
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  them, he'd either get them hooked, back on whatever
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  substance they were on and then just images, throw him out.
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  Now I was like that sounds like a A great story.
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  Okay, we can make something out of that.
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  Wow. Yes bud.
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  That's but did you did you? No.
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  Did you no question your friend for that?
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  Sounds a bit dodgy. Yeah.
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  I mean, you've seen the rest of the show.
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  Most of these episodes are of that dodgy.
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  So you know, I didn't then no real, no, that's the thing.
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  If they were real stories I would R be like, oh my God.
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  Like I remember the first one I saw was something like and I
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  nearly believed it was, it was true and then I saw a few Clues
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  here, those are. Okay.
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  It was, it was like a guy doing something where he was, like,
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  trying to screw someone over with relay relation to like gas
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  or something. And actually, that one was
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  legit. That was the debt settlement
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  episode that when that debt settlement is legit again,
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  that's just, you know, you tried it.
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  They were actors directors, enough tickling they are actors.
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  Okay. But the stories are coming from,
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  you know, the stories are coming from real life.
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  It's just they're actors. Yeah, okay.
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  This is this gets more and more. The further we go down this
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  Rabbit Hole. The more interesting this get so
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  like there are true elements in what you're doing, its just oh
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  yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
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  And every one of these stories, there are pieces of truisms in
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  it like the debt settlement like you just mentioned I mean you
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  pay debt settlement companies to basically settle your you know,
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  some of your debts and he got screwed over because she didn't
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  know what she was doing. So that was, you know, realistic
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  and most of them have some Ring Of Truth.
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  They're just Kinda stretched in a little different different
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  direction is all, you know, with a little fabrication to make it
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  a little absurd. So what you'll goes for this
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  show, do what you trying to do. You want to pitch this to like I
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  don't know, Netflix or something or you try to scale it up but
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  what was the purpose? It just started off as a fun
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  thing honestly just just to get the creative juices flowing,
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  just to keep my creative mind falling.
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  But I think inevitably, I mean, I want to become a writer, you
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  know, I want to become a writer as far as being on camera and
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  things like that, you know, I don't mind but I like being
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  behind the camera a little bit better.
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  You know, video editing producing, I like that kind of
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  stuff a little bit. It a little bit better than
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  being on camera. Like I said, I don't have that
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  Charisma that you have to be in front of the camera.
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  You know if you're like oh my God but behind the camera.
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  That's where I'm okay. I'm okay with it.
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  I get it, I get it. Like for me, I'm fascinated with
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  the filmmaking process like if I'm ever on set like I love
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  obviously being on camera but I also as soon as the scene is
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  done, I'm like right there behind the director like oh we
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  could try this or what about this solo I suck at writing but
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  I'm an idea. Guys.
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  So that's where I love to be that creative, but I totally get
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  that, man. Like, it's we all have the
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  places that we're more comfortable with and yeah, and
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  yeah. And once you, once you start
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  exploring that exists, yeah, possibilities are endless.
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  You know, that's what it is. Is once you get into the world,
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  I think once you get into this entertainment world, you know,
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  and you realize, because the biggest Revelation for me was, I
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  lived in California and Once I was in like North Hollywood, I
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  realized I was like man you know being on TV and kind of getting
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  in the industry it's not as difficult as you might make it
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  you know, you might make it feel.
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  It's not that bad. I want you get like a little bit
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  of a taste of it. You want more?
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  And then you want to figure out where your Niche is and where
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  you're comfortable, but then you're also wanting to learn
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  every part of the industry and I'm like, okay, I see people on
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  TV. Okay, I can do that.
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  Okay, I Do that. It's not out of the realm of
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  possibility. Once you've done it once or
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  twice you're like huh, I can conquer this mountain a little
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  bit. I think it depends though.
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  Like okay, one thing I've learned recently is so important
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  to work on your reputation and how you present yourself.
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  And like for instance, I've had opportunities here in England to
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  be on television for that reality stuff, right?
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  As you said, I guess really easy.
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  Especially with reality. It's tough to get on TV.
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  Any old person can go on TV but like whether or not it will
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  actually be beneficial for you is another story because I mean
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  that show could make you look like a fool on purpose, you
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  know. And they can and they can do
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  that malicious Lie by like you know cutting things like.
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  That's why I never used to understand growing up.
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  But now I fully understand it. When people say, all that was
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  taken out of context, that's what that means there is.
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  If they've totally change something up, maybe made it
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  sound a lot worse than it is, or me.
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  Make it mean, Zowie, right? Yeah, as I remember I don't know
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  if I've told this story before actually, but I remember.
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  I was applying for something in the states.
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  Some sort of like weird YouTube game show and the only reason I
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  applied was because I think they said by all you get some IMDb
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  credits and you get like shown on this YouTube channel and they
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  stuck it in as like, oh it looks like a real opportunity, right?
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  Yeah. And then we get through to I get
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  through You too, I guess like the casting stage.
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  So, you've got the casting director oil.
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  I don't know. It wasn't like an official
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  direct. It was just, I guess like a kind
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  of assistant who's managing these sessions and then you've
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  got about 20 other people in their right.
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  And it's presented as like, oh, have fun, you know, take part in
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  each round. And then round by round, we're
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  going to kind of kick people out, and then we'll have our
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  final participants that will get through to go into the show,
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  right? That's not even.
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  The worst part? Yeah, I'm getting that.
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  Like to say. That sounds rough.
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  Okay, he's rough. Not the first round was brutal,
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  like immediately after the first rounds, the assistant turns to
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  like the guy who didn't really speak much and she's up.
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  Oh yeah, so you were kind of boring and you didn't do
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  anything. So we're going to let you go and
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  it was like raw like you didn't really even engage with him.
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  It was it was basically the way they presented.
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  It was oh you know be entertaining.
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  Just just do it, just be it. So you had to like kind of dance
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  a bit, you know what I mean? And it's like that shit's
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  embarrassing. Like the way I refuse to do that
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  and I would saw I observe that as I wash it.
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  This is brutal rounds. Keep going.
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  I make I make a genuine mistake. I spoke when I shouldn't have
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  like there was a rule where you weren't supposed to speak during
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  someone else's round or something I made a mistake,
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  right? Yeah.
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  But the secretary like just comes for me, doesn't know, it's
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  me initially but I'm an honest guy.
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  So I own End up with what she sounds like.
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  Oh, who spoke he spoke in this in this particular section?
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  Someone spoke. And I'm like, oh that was me as
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  mistake and he said, oh you and it got really serious.
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  Just like, you weren't you weren't supposed to speak, that
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  was the wrong thing to do. You were not supposed to do that
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  and I was like, hey, it's fight. Like and I had to meet the eight
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  this situation. So I'm not the leader of this.
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  I'm just a guest. I had to be like you know what?
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  It's okay. I'll just leave no worries.
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  Thanks for your time and there was just an awkward silence and
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  I saw some of the and bear in mind.
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  This is grown adults were grown adults.
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  Some people in this room 30s 40s, right?
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  Like it was like being at school, you know, when someone
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  did something wrong and everyone's like, yeah, it was
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  like, what is this? What?
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  You know, and then I just left and I was immediately.
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  I was like, well, I dodged a bullet there like, what the fuck
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  was that? But my point with all of this is
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  that you get these opportunities, there's always
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  opportunities, but whether or not they're the right
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  opportunities for you both now and in the long-term, it's
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  another story. Yeah.
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  Yeah, you're right. And but I also think that the
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  way society and media and television movies has shifted
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  Right? Because like you said, you know,
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  you go on a reality TV show and they could make you look like a
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  fool, right? They can make you look, you
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  know, just completely like you have no idea what you're doing
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  in life. Like, you can't, you know, walk
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  across the street without holding somebody's hand, but now
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  the most absurd Talent gets rich and gets famous and gets, you
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  know, acknowledgement, right? It's that thin line between.
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  Okay, this person is Lee talented or we can use this
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  person because people love how just come, you know what I mean?
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  Completely ridiculous. They are, you know, you look at
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  some of these shows that we have now and you're just and you're
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  watching them and you just like men, this show is crazy, there's
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  no Talent here, there's nothing, but they're famous, they're
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  rich. You don't have any, they get all
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  the spotlight. So if there's that fine line of
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  do you take this project because it it may launch your career, or
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  do you not take this project because You don't want to be
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  seen in a certain way and it might take you longer to get,
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  you know, to launch your career. And there is that thin line.
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  Especially now you know you look at all the TV shows out there
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  half of the TV shows have no Talent.
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  It's just shock value or it's just for views or is just for
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  distraction purposes. You know, the, you know, writing
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  is completely changed nowadays to I guess what?
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  Everybody wants to see. So it's a thin line.
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  Is that kind of makes sense. No.
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  Yeah, absolutely. I totally agree.
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  I think you see that a lot on like TV soap operas, which
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  obviously are perfect. You know, designed to be
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  formulaic and, you know, but you see the same stuff again and
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  again, and again, and again and as you said it's just continual
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  shock value because that's what gets attention.
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  But, I don't know, I feel like They all comes down to that 15
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  minutes of fame thing, okay? Like becoming famous used to be
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  a big deal many decades ago now. Not so much, you know anyone?
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  Yeah, that's not like I'd say I seem to be respected, then
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  famous to be honest because that's a whole nother thing as
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  well. You can be famous but that
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  doesn't mean your respective it like when your industry as well.
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  Like, that's because you sometimes you hear about people
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  don't need that. I like really famous in their
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  industry like it. I say a really famous director
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  that you probably never even seen or heard of what?
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  Well, maybe you heard of them but you just never seen a
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  picture of them. Never seen.
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  Right. Yeah, but like everyone in our
• 20:29
  industry just goes on about them by actors, writers sound
• 20:32
  Engineers. Everyone's like this person
• 20:34
  amazing and stuff, like a hearing stuff like that.
• 20:36
  Really kind of changed. My opinion, and mindset towards
• 20:39
  these things. Like, like, I'm an aspiring
• 20:42
  actor. I'm trying to get into the
• 20:43
  industry and what I'm learning now, more and more.
• 20:48
  States. It is it really is a craft and
• 20:51
  there's a difference between people who who are who think
• 20:55
  they're better than everyone else and go into it with that
• 20:58
  attitude in order to kind of, I don't know, assert dominance, I
• 21:03
  guess. But that that's their mentality.
• 21:06
  I suppose, is to become rich and successful, and famous and all
• 21:09
  that. And then, there's everyone else
• 21:11
  that wants to be an actor because it's what they dreamed
• 21:13
  of and what they dream of at night and, you know, and It's
• 21:18
  like like I'm always honest about this stuff.
• 21:21
  Like would I like to be? You know, rich and have fans and
• 21:25
  stuff? Of course, who wouldn't want
• 21:26
  that, right? But what's more important What
• 21:31
  is more important for me? It's to get to do what I love
• 21:33
  for a living. Like, I don't care if it's like,
• 21:36
  yeah, you know, big Hollywood movies or just small independent
• 21:39
  movies. Like, if I got to do acting for
• 21:41
  a living and that was my job, I'd be, I'd be in heaven.
• 21:44
  I'd be more than happy with that.
• 21:45
  I've met people. I've had people on this show
• 21:47
  before who are career actors? That, you know, have done so
• 21:50
  many different Productions but you probably just never heard of
• 21:54
  them. Some of them maybe but more not.
• 21:57
  You probably haven't, but they're happy.
• 21:59
  They were really happy. And that's why I look at, like,
• 22:03
  are you happy with what you're doing and then success as well,
• 22:07
  like, I get people in my live stream.
• 22:08
  So there's a lot like, what, how do you define success?
• 22:11
  Because I sometimes we often say I'll go be like Moody of it all.
• 22:14
  I'm not a success. You know?
• 22:15
  I'm going nowhere and they'll be like, we do our success.
• 22:18
  Depends how you look at success. I don't know, it does it does.
• 22:22
  It's what success to you? And and, you know, the bring up
• 22:25
  your point as far as just the acting thing and the two sides
• 22:29
  of the acting part. Right.
• 22:32
  So when I would do a lot of extra work, you know, my whole
• 22:36
  thing was kind of staying in the background, you know, not really
• 22:39
  talking, you know, doing what I was supposed to do when somebody
• 22:42
  would director produce, you know, whoever would say stuff,
• 22:44
  you know, move here, move it, you know, do all that kind of
• 22:46
  thing. But I would always listen to
• 22:48
  everybody around me and listening to everybody.
• 22:51
  You could kind of tell, like, you just mentioned the people
• 22:54
  that are, I'm just trying to be rich and famous or this is my
• 22:58
  craft. I actually enjoy this.
• 23:00
  Because you have to, you have that one person that's like, oh,
• 23:03
  I did this, I did this, I did this, I did this, you know, to
• 23:06
  assert like you said, assert dominance, right?
• 23:09
  Oh, I was on this show. I was on this show, as I was on
• 23:11
  this show and you look at them. And the first thing that I was
• 23:14
  coming to, my mind would be, you know, obviously I'm not going to
• 23:17
  say anything cuz I'm just listening, but I would say, I
• 23:19
  would think to myself. Well, it's funny.
• 23:21
  You are on all this stuff but we're all still right here,
• 23:24
  right now, I'm doing the same extra roll, you know.
• 23:27
  So I get, you're trying to show all the things that you've been
• 23:30
  On butt. You know, we're still doing the
• 23:33
  same thing, but then you have the other person on the other
• 23:36
  side of it who just sits there. Like you said, it's just quiet.
• 23:38
  You can tell that they're legitimately into it because
• 23:41
  they're focused on the production, their focus on
• 23:44
  what's going on with the director, what the actors are
• 23:46
  doing, how the actors are portraying themselves, how they
• 23:50
  carry themselves, how they're handling themselves.
• 23:52
  And so you see two different size of that.
• 23:54
  But, you know, ultimately success is whatever it is for
• 23:59
  you a blue State this. Yeah, I agree.
• 24:02
  And Matlock, you know, done plenty of extras work myself and
• 24:05
  yeah, people make careers out of that stuff like for real and you
• 24:08
  get into an extra Union. Yeah you get in a career, you're
• 24:12
  pretty much set. Put them to put this into
• 24:14
  context as well for people that aren't familiar.
• 24:16
  Imagine a job where okay, sometimes you have to work like
• 24:19
  really long days, 16 hours a day sometimes, but sometimes it'll
• 24:22
  be like, oh, we just need you to sit in the background for like
• 24:24
  four hours and just have coffee and pretend to have a
• 24:27
  conversation and will provide you free drinks, free food, free
• 24:29
  everything. Yes.
• 24:31
  Sign me up. Great job.
• 24:32
  Job right. Right, exactly.
• 24:34
  It's all about you and I've seen what you're talking about here
• 24:38
  in England. Again again, again the get and
• 24:40
  but I think that Productions don't do themselves or the
• 24:44
  extras. Any favors either.
• 24:46
  Give you an example. Yeah, it's been Productions.
• 24:49
  I've been on where the crew really all that whoever, I don't
• 24:52
  know. Production, assistants whoever
• 24:53
  is in charge of like moving around the actors right there.
• 24:57
  Be like, oh, everybody move that the lead actors need to be here,
• 25:00
  you know, like background. Move out the way.
• 25:02
  Did it. Like they they create that
• 25:05
  divide, it create. And then I think for certain
• 25:08
  people when you hear the word extra or here, they often refer
• 25:13
  to it as essay supporting artists.
• 25:16
  There's already like a stigma attached to it and I don't think
• 25:20
  there's I don't think there should be a mean yes you are
• 25:22
  paid less than the regular crew and yes you won't get screen
• 25:25
  time. You'll just be in the background
• 25:27
  but like it's a it's a role that's that's needed and very
• 25:31
  important and Sometimes it's really really important.
• 25:34
  For example, like I did some ADR stuff recently for and for those
• 25:38
  who don't know, ADR is basically just providing like dubbing for
• 25:44
  background of a scene because often you can't use the audio
• 25:49
  that was originally recorded. So you have to, you know, it's
• 25:52
  quite interesting as you sit and kind of look at a scene from a
• 25:56
  show or a TV or a movie or whatever.
• 25:58
  And then you have to kind of guess how the actors would sound
• 26:02
  and Kind of just input conversations in there.
• 26:05
  Is it other day? I found it fascinating and it
• 26:06
  was a great page. Okay as well by the way sir
• 26:08
  please these hashes for the that's a passion for the
• 26:11
  industry right there to be able to do that so I loved it it was
• 26:14
  so fun like I've had a lot of fun experiences since I've been
• 26:18
  pursuing this that acting voice acting that was definitely one
• 26:21
  of the best. Plus the paycheck was amazing
• 26:24
  man it's Sammy up. That's another thing.
• 26:35
  I mean, how much money just go, you know, just goes around.
• 26:38
  It's almost like an infinite amount of money.
• 26:40
  Once you get the right part, it's almost like an infinite
• 26:43
  amount of money, you know? And you just like, wait a minute
• 26:46
  for two hours. I just got paid this for two
• 26:49
  hours. It was, it was brilliant as but
• 26:51
  when you do like a commercial and it's like a really
• 26:53
  embarrassed someone and they do the buyout, which is really
• 26:56
  good. Yeah.
• 26:57
  So you get paid, you get the buyout, which is almost like
• 27:00
  triple what the flat for years. And they don't use it was like,
• 27:05
  yes, yes, I do. Like I said that's I can
• 27:09
  honestly say that's one thing. I mean, don't get me wrong
• 27:12
  obviously. When you think of actors and
• 27:14
  stuff like that, you think of Rich famous blah, blah, blah,
• 27:16
  blah, blah. But like on a lower level when
• 27:18
  you're doing commercials, when you're doing, you know, just
• 27:20
  little things. You like, there's a lot of money
• 27:22
  in this industry, it literally infinite amounts of money in
• 27:26
  this industry, you know, that people can do.
• 27:29
  But you know what? One thing I've realized.
• 27:31
  And I don't know if you've had this Has to, like, anytime you
• 27:35
  tell somebody, like everybody thinks of actors and actresses.
• 27:38
  And if you tell somebody, oh, I right?
• 27:40
  Or I act or, you know, I think they are, they automatically
• 27:44
  look at you like, oh no, you don't, because you're not rich
• 27:47
  and famous, you know, if they're not in the industry, they don't
• 27:50
  understand that. You know, just because you might
• 27:53
  not be rich and famous doesn't mean you still don't act or sing
• 27:57
  or write. And I've had that so many times
• 28:00
  where somebody will ask, well, you know, like what are you And
• 28:03
  I'm you know I'll tell him you know passion projects and things
• 28:06
  like that I'll say but you know I like to write and occasionally
• 28:09
  I like to act if the mood you know suits me or whatever.
• 28:13
  I'll get on camera and then they'll just look and it may be
• 28:17
  different here in like a mid in the midwest area.
• 28:21
  But in the midwest area, people just look at you like haha,
• 28:24
  okay, whatever, you know like it's no like, you're following a
• 28:29
  dream but because you're not, Rich and famous.
• 28:34
  You're, you know, it kind of means nothing.
• 28:36
  And I don't know if you have that or, you know, you're
• 28:38
  probably more of a community. No nothing.
• 28:41
  So, I mean, I totally, but you'll hear it in a different
• 28:44
  way instead of Oh, no, you're not, it'll be more like, so,
• 28:50
  what have you been in? And then you say it's like, for
• 28:53
  example, like my biggest name, drop is always that.
• 28:56
  When you want to impress someone ago, I was an extra in tenant
• 29:00
  and say, oh, well, that sounds so big, right, that's such a big
• 29:02
  deal. Not really exactly.
• 29:05
  It was cool. Don't get me wrong.
• 29:07
  It was a fun experience. I got to, you know, I was within
• 29:11
  probably a foot of Christopher Nolan and I got to see his whole
• 29:15
  process and that was interesting but it was also 16 hours a day
• 29:19
  for four weeks. Yeah.
• 29:21
  Standing around doing nothing. You know it's X just work is not
• 29:27
  easy. Yeah.
• 29:29
  And then quickly, you know, you kind of realize that our car
• 29:32
  This is this is the industry. This you know, it's a lot of
• 29:34
  this and there's things you learn as well as extras work
• 29:40
  makes me laugh because like when you first get into the industry
• 29:44
  and you've never done it before and and they try like they you
• 29:48
  should always get paid for extras work.
• 29:50
  I'll just say this that you should always get paid but
• 29:52
  sometimes they'll try not to pay you and they try to do this with
• 29:55
  this production initially. But then they eventually had to
• 29:57
  pay people but they were like word used for like tenant.
• 30:01
  Wow. Really it was advertised that
• 30:03
  way. So you have to understand that
• 30:05
  like, in a, in the country we were in, we were in a country
• 30:07
  called Estonia. So this would, but it was filmed
• 30:09
  in a lot of different areas. And this particular movie was
• 30:12
  like a collaboration between in the stone Estonian agency and
• 30:17
  then like, american-british agency that were working
• 30:20
  together. And initially, it is said
• 30:23
  something like, oh, I love this. I've seen this in so many
• 30:29
  adverts for like movies and TV shows.
• 30:31
  You'll get paid add an exposure. Yeah, which that don't get me
• 30:36
  wrong. If I was offered like a part in
• 30:39
  a feature film tomorrow and I wasn't gonna get paid for it.
• 30:42
  But I know it's going to be on say like Amazon Prime or
• 30:44
  something. I'm down for it, let's do it
• 30:46
  right. Because if nothing else I can
• 30:50
  use it for my real or something. It's something right?
• 30:53
  Listen it is and I'll learn and it's an opportunity to act on
• 30:55
  screen. But when his extras work, I
• 30:59
  mean, more often than not, you're not even seen.
• 31:01
  And if you are, it's for like a second and like you're not the
• 31:04
  focal point and it's so it's a really wide it.
• 31:08
  Why do extras work? Well, the money, the experience,
• 31:12
  sometimes it's interesting. I mean, if you get to be like in
• 31:14
  Star Wars as a clone trooper or something, then it's going to be
• 31:17
  fun. Isn't it?
• 31:19
  Like a viking movie or something?
• 31:21
  And then also like the connections who you meet like
• 31:23
  that's whenever I'm deciding on whether or not A project is,
• 31:28
  it's always that money connections, filming
• 31:32
  opportunity. Like it's, I try to weigh these
• 31:34
  things up and see if it's worth it or not and and basically a
• 31:36
  position on that. But yeah, bring it back to the
• 31:39
  original Point, Outsiders looking in.
• 31:42
  Its what's the biggest thing you've been in?
• 31:44
  What would I know our okay, you've not been anything.
• 31:48
  Okay, or exactly. Like, and this, I've got people,
• 31:51
  I know that say this to me, they'll say something like oh,
• 31:54
  that's a nice Hobby. Yeah, exactly.
• 31:59
  It's ripping my heart out, but ba understand that there are
• 32:03
  steps to get to where you are. Trying to go to be fair, they
• 32:07
  don't necessarily know that it's my passion and what I'm trying
• 32:10
  to do in life, but I think different people have different
• 32:15
  mentalities of these things like acting is and I knew this before
• 32:21
  going in. Like I knew this I remember
• 32:23
  working when I was a lot younger and Like supermarkets and stuff.
• 32:27
  And I knew people that were actors that were trying to break
• 32:29
  into the industry and they've been doing it for years and it
• 32:32
  was really hard a thankless, and they were very like, I remember
• 32:35
  one guy I met. He was it's really flamboyant
• 32:38
  gay, dude. That was just like a bundle of
• 32:40
  joy. Like really nice guy.
• 32:41
  Fine, he still at pantos and stuff and we were talk about
• 32:45
  acting every once in a while and he would just it was kind of
• 32:49
  like a Bittersweet thing. Like he would be that all, you
• 32:51
  know, it's hard and you know, I get to do is pantos and stuff.
• 32:54
  But you could tell there was a bit of like His dream is dying
• 32:57
  in his voice like he was trying, but it was just wasn't working
• 33:00
  out, but he was putting his heart and soul into it.
• 33:03
  And that kind of made me realize like this dream that we have of
• 33:06
  getting into this industry. And doing this, for a living, is
• 33:11
  a lot about luck. It's hard work, but it's I mean,
• 33:14
  people always call it catching your lucky break that they they
• 33:17
  do. But he'll do.
• 33:19
  That's the thing. There's so many factors to this
• 33:21
  like getting representation. Being cast in something big.
• 33:25
  I mean. Sometimes as well it will be a
• 33:29
  situation where you'll get cast for a while and then and then
• 33:33
  it's kind of nothing after that. I like for example I was
• 33:36
  watching this this old movie with the house mate of mine,
• 33:38
  he's a big movie buff where we sit and watch movies.
• 33:41
  Every once while it's awesome and we were watching like a Tim
• 33:44
  Robbins movie. It's a really, really good
• 33:46
  movie. If no one's seen it, go check it
• 33:47
  out. It's called Jacob's Ladder, it
• 33:49
  gets released and like, yeah, early 90s, you see that?
• 33:52
  Yeah, really, really good. And obviously, that was,
• 33:56
  Released, maybe a year or two or around the same time, as the
• 33:58
  Shawshank Redemption, which is arguably, the biggest movie that
• 34:02
  Tim Robbins is known for point is anyway, he was around that
• 34:05
  time off the back of that movie he got loads of roles for the
• 34:08
  next 35 years and that's quite common for most actors, you
• 34:12
  know, you get your big break and then you get a bunch of rolls.
• 34:15
  After that, you just keep going and keep going and keep going
• 34:17
  momentum, momentum momentum. Yeah, right.
• 34:20
  And you want, you want to keep pushing it Forward.
• 34:22
  Keep your name out there, not as you know what can happen, right?
• 34:26
  Under. Yeah, well that's the thing.
• 34:28
  I don't think there's I think that.
• 34:30
  Why do you do a job? You do a job to make money to
• 34:33
  support your family to support you to keep going.
• 34:35
  Right in acting you've got this opportunity potentially to make
• 34:38
  millions, which would set you up for life, right?
• 34:41
  But it, but it's not all about money, it's about the passion
• 34:43
  and the crowd like yeah, you make your Millions but you wanna
• 34:48
  keep doing this. I mean that explains why so many
• 34:51
  actors continue to do it to this day even though they made their
• 34:55
  Millions, Probably like 20 30 years ago they do it for the
• 34:58
  passion small parts just cameos even if they just chill here for
• 35:02
  two seconds or like oh well with Bill Murray right you know
• 35:08
  you're going to see Bill Murray and he's making cameos, he's not
• 35:11
  going to you know, he might not necessarily be in a full-out
• 35:14
  movie, maybe here and there if he feels like it but you know
• 35:17
  he's mostly making cameos. Well, as last movie was pretty
• 35:20
  good though. That's when I saw the, there was
• 35:22
  one about zombies or something like that, that was actually
• 35:26
  Yeah, it was good to see him on screen for more than 5 minutes,
• 35:29
  you know. It's like yeah man.
• 35:31
  You forget, then you hug but I think for a guy like Bill Maher,
• 35:34
  I mean, I don't know him specifically if this is how he
• 35:36
  feels. But I know that there's probably
• 35:39
  a lot of actors out there that maybe they just lost their
• 35:42
  interest. You know.
• 35:44
  You do something for a long time and then you can sometimes pull
• 35:47
  out a lot of the things like, with me and music.
• 35:49
  I adore music. I've been a musician, my whole
• 35:52
  life, but yeah, when I was growing up I that was the only
• 35:55
  thing I ever wanted. Do and I pursued it and I tried
• 35:58
  to get that goal and I did it for many years.
• 36:00
  And then, you know, I gave up on that dream and you know, years
• 36:04
  later, I've I'm writing music again and I play regularly, but
• 36:08
  I don't want to be a full-time musician anymore.
• 36:11
  Okay. Like I like acting better.
• 36:14
  Yeah, well I fell in love with acting that was a passion came
• 36:17
  later in life, but they're very similar.
• 36:21
  That's what I kind of realized that the acting is very similar
• 36:23
  to music in many ways. Particularly from the kind of
• 36:27
  performance perspective, but I guess my point is I don't have
• 36:32
  the same passion for music that I once did.
• 36:34
  And so, I understand that like, time and life experience can
• 36:38
  make you not necessarily fall out of love for things but like
• 36:41
  feel differently about them, you know, time changes.
• 36:45
  A personal experience is changes person and absolutely actually,
• 36:49
  you're going to go toward where you want to go to you know and
• 36:53
  like you said, you know music you love music and you did
• 36:55
  music. And then acting you start acting
• 36:58
  your like, oh, I like this. This is, this is my passion, and
• 37:01
  so you kind of grew out of that, but the music aspect of it is
• 37:05
  still in you. It's just the acting love.
• 37:09
  Has overtaken that for now and who knows in a couple more
• 37:14
  years, you might be back to the music thing where you're like,
• 37:16
  okay acting school but now I love music it.
• 37:19
  You never know because you just grow.
• 37:20
  You keep growing as a person, I honestly would love to.
• 37:23
  I mean, I can't that's the problem with me.
• 37:25
  And my life is like, I can't decide what I want to do, so I
• 37:28
  just try and do everything Zach of all trades, master of none.
• 37:32
  But let's bring it back to you, man.
• 37:34
  Like okay, so you want to be a professional writer, what kind
• 37:36
  of other works of you? Have you worked on?
• 37:39
  You said you've done that acting like layers are kind of a
• 37:42
  breakdown of Ryan. Keith the man, the myth, the
• 37:44
  legend. Oh, what have you done so far?
• 37:48
  And what have you learnt? So what I've done so far.
• 37:54
  Dramatizations. This is on my acting side.
• 37:57
  This is, this is, this is all my acting side.
• 37:58
  Just breaking into the industry. A lot of extra work because like
• 38:02
  you said, I didn't know at first, right?
• 38:04
  So, just go the extra. Just just give it to the bottom.
• 38:08
  You don't just get into the bottom one.
• 38:11
  So, I see a lot of extra work. I was fortunate enough like the
• 38:15
  living in North Hollywood to where I would get booked on, you
• 38:18
  know, quite a few things. And of course I didn't tell
• 38:20
  anybody, because everybody in North Hollywood, California.
• 38:23
  Is it? Laughter.
• 38:24
  So of course I didn't tell anybody right commercials.
• 38:29
  So I've done a few commercials with my cat.
• 38:31
  Oh cool. A few delivery commercials.
• 38:34
  I'm actually on the editing side right now, like we were talking
• 38:38
  about going behind the camera. I'm on the editing side.
• 38:41
  We're editing for a movie that we just submitted to a few film
• 38:46
  festivals in Florida called. Hey, bro.
• 38:48
  And that is with, like I said, one of the guys that I work with
• 38:52
  regularly, he's Together his own movie.
• 38:55
  And so, you know, just trying to get a team together and then
• 38:57
  right now just focusing on the show and trying to see, which
• 39:00
  direction I want to take it. So everybody that gives me
• 39:04
  criticism, like you, you know, you said, if I could make it
• 39:07
  more believable, if I can pick stories out from, you know, real
• 39:10
  life and, you know, that kind of thing, it would sound more
• 39:14
  believable. So just taking criticism and
• 39:16
  just trying to launch it to see how far it can go.
• 39:19
  That's basically it. I don't necessarily have a I
• 39:23
  mean I have a goal obviously of wanting to be a writer but I
• 39:25
  don't necessarily say okay I have to do this.
• 39:28
  I have to do this like I'm just going piece by piece and just
• 39:32
  letting it go letting the chips fall where they may, you know.
• 39:35
  So you're looking for like to create just like feature films
• 39:38
  and series that I would, you want to kind of Branch out to
• 39:43
  other mediums. We documentaries, I will
• 39:45
  willingly thinking series, I like series like I'm fascinated
• 39:50
  with the, the court, you know, the System and things like that.
• 39:54
  I don't know what it is and and just something fascinates me
• 39:58
  about the whole judicial system. But like I said, I wanted to
• 40:01
  make it short because I know everyone has no attention span
• 40:05
  anymore. See this, I possibly disagree
• 40:09
  with you here, like okay, okay, I think I think you're right but
• 40:13
  it's different mediums for example like okay I got a bit of
• 40:17
  a following on Tick-Tock, on a few channels, right?
• 40:21
  And those there's a lot of All that love these short-form
• 40:24
  videos, right. But I know a lot of those people
• 40:26
  will never be interested in listening to whole podcast,
• 40:29
  right? But then there's a subset of
• 40:31
  those people that will come over.
• 40:33
  And we'll listen to the podcasts because they love podcast and
• 40:35
  they love different forms of media.
• 40:37
  There's still a big love for film and TV shows and stuff like
• 40:40
  that man. But she's different types of
• 40:42
  people and it's like and I get what you mean.
• 40:45
  I think. Okay.
• 40:46
  If we're talking about the younger generation in general,
• 40:49
  people growing up like what are the things that they're more
• 40:52
  into? Yeah.
• 40:53
  Going to be a lower attention span and stuff, but that doesn't
• 40:55
  account for everyone. It's just, you know, different
• 40:58
  types of people and different interests and stuff, but I don't
• 41:03
  know. I feel like film and TV shows
• 41:05
  and Cinema series will never die.
• 41:08
  They while it's just they, there's just new forms of media
• 41:12
  that have entered the scene. Now, isn't that a short form and
• 41:14
  there's long-form. Yeah, and I think and you're
• 41:17
  right, and that's what I've tried to to kind of model the
• 41:21
  show. After just watching, How all the
• 41:23
  Bigger Productions do it? Like, for example, on YouTube,
• 41:26
  when you're looking at like these Court shows on YouTube,
• 41:29
  they're usually in maybe 10 minutes Snippets right 10, 11
• 41:33
  minutes Snippets and whole case is basically done in ten eleven
• 41:37
  minutes. And so that's kind of what I
• 41:38
  wanted to model it after because it doesn't need to be fully
• 41:41
  fully drawn out. You know, you get the, you get
• 41:44
  the gist of it and that's basically it because I know that
• 41:48
  that demographic that's watching those Court shows, they may not
• 41:51
  sit there for, you know, 45 minutes while we go through the
• 41:55
  whole creation of Jesus Christ, right?
• 41:57
  That like, it's like, okay I'm watching this because I'm at
• 42:00
  work and I need something to take my mind off of work.
• 42:03
  So you know, 10 11 minutes, that's it, it just an in-and-out
• 42:07
  kind of thing knowing what, you know, my demographic with the
• 42:10
  demographic, I should say that I'm shooting for doesn't
• 42:13
  necessarily want to sit there for 30 minutes or 45 minutes.
• 42:17
  Does that kind of make sense sure but what do you make of?
• 42:20
  Like let's say, Science fiction shows like Daredevil She-Hulk
• 42:27
  Attorney-at-Law these kind of shows where they'll take law and
• 42:31
  the aspects of what you're talking about but then kind of
• 42:34
  use it as a backdrop for other things.
• 42:36
  I do you think you'd be interested in that?
• 42:38
  Do you will, what do you make of that as well?
• 42:39
  Like, their usage of real-life law and terms and terminology
• 42:44
  and then the presentation of that You know, I am trying to
• 42:50
  think that I like it. My only thing was and I think
• 42:54
  this was just growing up, I've always had like a different
• 43:02
  shows that are normal. I have never really intrigued me
• 43:06
  if that makes sense. You know, so fine.
• 43:08
  Normal. Okay type shows never really,
• 43:20
  really intrigued me. Like I always like shows that
• 43:24
  went outside of the box, you know, that weren't your
• 43:28
  traditional show, like F is for family, something like that, you
• 43:31
  know, or something like the other show on Netflix with the
• 43:35
  monsters and you know, the hormone monsters and things like
• 43:39
  that. Where it's just completely crazy
• 43:42
  crate. Like, Like those kind of show
• 43:44
  and South Park obviously. Right.
• 43:46
  Like, I like those kind of shows like the complete to just be of
• 43:49
  Siege stuff and so that's where a lot of my writing comes from.
• 43:53
  And that's where again, the motivation from like, going
• 43:56
  Court shows to try to make them a little bit more out there,
• 44:01
  that's where it goes. So I, you know, and obviously, I
• 44:03
  would love to write and learn from some of the best writers in
• 44:07
  the industry, you know? But I want to get on something
• 44:10
  similar to where I can kind of, just let my mind.
• 44:13
  And go where it's not like, okay I can't say this because it's on
• 44:17
  network TV. I can't say this because it's
• 44:19
  odd, you know, but at the same time I want to learn.
• 44:23
  So it's a you know, how you're constantly battling with
• 44:26
  yourself, right? You're constantly battling or
• 44:28
  like, do I go this way or do I go that way?
• 44:31
  And I think that's where it came for me, you know, just trying to
• 44:34
  figure out which way do I want to go the normal way or do I
• 44:37
  want to go the completely weird way where this isn't going to
• 44:39
  have maybe a lot of fans but it'll have a niche audience, you
• 44:45
  know, it'll house, you know, that's a really good point.
• 44:47
  I've never thought about that. It's yeah.
• 44:51
  Having an audience of any type is key.
• 44:55
  Yeah, one thing I've been trying to do more and more.
• 44:57
  So with this podcast is be very grateful and to live to a few
• 45:01
  people that do listen to it. Like again, thank you so much.
• 45:04
  I appreciate you, because that is a small Niche with people,
• 45:08
  you know, I don't add to the matter is, I don't have millions
• 45:10
  of people listening and watching this podcast, and that's okay
• 45:14
  because there's at least a handful of people, maybe five
• 45:16
  people that are listening and watching it and those people are
• 45:19
  engaged. Aged in it and they look forward
• 45:23
  to it and there, you know? Yeah.
• 45:26
  It's the engaged and I think that's really important and it
• 45:30
  kind of goes back to our conversation before about you
• 45:32
  know, just just doing things because you love them and also
• 45:35
  having a passion for them, like it's exactly what it is like it.
• 45:38
  Yeah. And I yeah, I think Because I've
• 45:42
  been told like the way that I approach things is unorthodox
• 45:46
  and always the right way and I agree, I'm very stubborn as a
• 45:49
  human being. Okay.
• 45:51
  Yeah, I'm honest is floor of mine.
• 45:53
  I kind of have to do things my way and I will try to Follow the
• 46:00
  rules to some extent but I'm so stubborn about the Box you're
• 46:06
  doing it your way, I get it. Well no, I just don't like being
• 46:11
  told what to do. I can't either 95 because I
• 46:16
  can't have a boss. It just bugs me.
• 46:19
  I can have I can have it. Okay, real talk.
• 46:22
  Like if I'm working with a with a director, right?
• 46:25
  Yeah. And there, and I said, the one
• 46:26
  of the first things I normally say is, hey, are you open to To
• 46:29
  collaboration or are you kind of more just like call the shot and
• 46:32
  almost every director. I think I've ever worked with
• 46:34
  has always been very like Nano for ideas.
• 46:36
  Let me know what you want. And I'm not cool.
• 46:39
  Not because I want to change the show.
• 46:41
  I want to make it better. I want to make this as
• 46:43
  believable as possible and so, I'll throw ideas it, sometimes
• 46:47
  even just something as simple as I.
• 46:48
  What if we were to just do this particular camera shot.
• 46:51
  What do you think of that? You know, I guess you just
• 46:54
  little little thing. Like, let's tweak this.
• 46:56
  What about this? What if the character would say
• 46:57
  it this way like, you know, I want it to be as good as
• 47:00
  possible because that's what I believe in the vision that
• 47:04
  because acting, you know, at least from a visual perspective
• 47:08
  by visual acting is is if it is a visual medium.
• 47:11
  So it's all about the shot and but for instance, I was
• 47:13
  watching, I've been, I've been catching up on all those Marvel
• 47:19
  okay series from like that from 2015 to 2017, right?
• 47:22
  And one of the things that I noticed in particular is that
• 47:25
  visually each one of the show's has a different way that they've
• 47:28
  shown Shot it. They've all got like something
• 47:30
  in common, but in particular like Luke Cage, for example, I
• 47:33
  love the the visuals in Luke Cage.
• 47:37
  Sometimes like something as simple as like.
• 47:39
  They'll be the in the club scenes at the top of you seen
• 47:41
  Luke Cage by the way, I have yeah.
• 47:44
  So following scenes at the top of the place when you've got the
• 47:49
  Biggie Smalls portrait in the background and it will always be
• 47:54
  behind a troubled villain character.
• 47:57
  So it'd be like, Come and put their names now.
• 48:00
  They are escapes me but it's kind of like, it's like a
• 48:03
  metaphor. It's like they've done that
• 48:05
  visually or like on purpose to kind of imply some things but
• 48:09
  even just like Easter egg. Yeah.
• 48:11
  Right. But also like their choice of
• 48:14
  color is is interesting. Like they use that rich tones of
• 48:20
  like gold and stuff is like this golden kind of sepia tone about
• 48:23
  it which is almost like I don't know like reminiscent Motown,
• 48:29
  70s music. I don't know.
• 48:30
  It's not that kind of like Vibe because obviously, one of the
• 48:33
  background things with Luke Cage is it's trying to kind of like
• 48:38
  talk about the struggle of the black person in Growing Up In
• 48:42
  Harlem, you know, and what that can be over time, right?
• 48:45
  But it's also got its own visual look and then if you watch say,
• 48:54
  will be a something different. If like, the Jessica Jones is
• 48:57
  more kind of go. That Pi kind of thing.
• 49:00
  And and then there's a lot more kind of like blue tones used
• 49:06
  like kind of gritty blue, dark like tones.
• 49:10
  I can't really explain it, but you know what I mean, right?
• 49:12
  It's like, yeah, I know exactly what you mean.
• 49:14
  I love this stuff that you notice.
• 49:15
  When you're in the industry, right?
• 49:17
  It's stuff that you notice because you're paying attention
• 49:20
  to it, right more. So than just say a normal
• 49:23
  person, that's just sitting there watching a TV show, you
• 49:26
  know? And that's, and that's another
• 49:27
  thing that You know, iíve brought up like, since getting
• 49:32
  into the industry and focusing more, you know, and focusing.
• 49:35
  Okay, the acting is fine whatever.
• 49:37
  But looking at the background behind the acting like, oh, they
• 49:41
  put that in there. Oh, that was kind of cool and
• 49:42
  you start looking at different things, right?
• 49:44
  You're not looking so much of a surface aspect of it, you're
• 49:48
  looking more so about. Okay, colors are different,
• 49:51
  okay? That person in the background,
• 49:53
  you know, extra or whatever, okay, I saw them in another
• 49:56
  scene. So they messed up on the
• 49:58
  continuity. All that shit bugs.
• 50:01
  Me. Why would they do that?
• 50:02
  It sucked me right? Crap, I wish I could just watch
• 50:07
  somebody enjoy their acting and they just be done in.
• 50:09
  Turn it off in 30 minutes or an hour.
• 50:11
  But it's like, now, I'm looking at the lights now, I'm looking
• 50:14
  at the people in the background. Now, I'm looking at how they
• 50:16
  said this line. Now, I'm looking at how they did
• 50:19
  this and you're picking up tips and you're just trying to.
• 50:21
  I wonder how they did that, you know, it just so much more
• 50:24
  analyzation once you've seen it up close, you're like, okay,
• 50:28
  Okay, what's going on in these people's minds?
• 50:31
  You know, how are they doing this?
• 50:33
  I hate it. When you know, you've got like a
• 50:35
  show where there's got really good actors, but then there's
• 50:37
  like a supporting actor that sucks, right?
• 50:40
  Like that, it happened in Daredevil.
• 50:42
  I won't give it away, but there's a particular episode,
• 50:44
  right? Where everyone is Britt.
• 50:46
  Brilliant. And then there's this particular
• 50:48
  guy that's in there who's a supporting character, he's only
• 50:50
  in it for like a few episodes, but his acting was so trash and
• 50:56
  I was like, what? I just ruins the whole No,
• 51:00
  please just have him. He was better when he was a
• 51:02
  mute. Please.
• 51:03
  No more dialogue. Come on, baby.
• 51:07
  It kind of goes back to what we were talking about earlier with
• 51:10
  the ability to suspend your disbelief.
• 51:11
  That's so important in acting and little things like making
• 51:15
  mistakes, like a Game of Thrones where they left the coffee cup
• 51:17
  on the fuck inside like yeah, you make mistakes.
• 51:20
  But when it's like, added bad act, I don't think there's ever
• 51:23
  any excuse for bad acting or, you know, like just Things like
• 51:30
  you know, really distracting lighting or something, distract
• 51:33
  it like, okay. We're talking about extras,
• 51:35
  right? You've got to keep your extras
• 51:38
  and check with I saw something on Tick Tock about two years ago
• 51:42
  during the pandemic. It was an old period drama
• 51:45
  created in the UK. I don't know.
• 51:47
  Something's Crown. Maybe it was the crown the
• 51:49
  series, I don't know. But anyway, there was this guy
• 51:52
  who was an extra in one of the scenes and he's he made a point
• 51:56
  of showing the clip of Basically breaking the fourth wall, so he
• 52:02
  kind of looks back and then looks directly at the camera and
• 52:06
  smiles and then looks away. And so he milked this online and
• 52:12
  a lot of people found it funny and stuff and he had little five
• 52:14
  minutes of fame. But then a lot more people were
• 52:17
  saying, well, you know, you've just kind of completely
• 52:20
  destroyed your chances at a career, because now they're
• 52:23
  going to see this, and they go at all.
• 52:25
  That was a mistake. Who knows?
• 52:26
  Maybe they even cut the scene out, but they're going.
• 52:29
  They're not going to want to work with you again.
• 52:31
  Don't mistake done on purpose. Well yeah, yeah, that's what
• 52:36
  makes it even worse is that he was trying to do it on purpose
• 52:40
  and that end because right? Because when you're an extra,
• 52:42
  that's one of the first things that they always tell you is
• 52:45
  number one, never look at the camera and never look at the
• 52:48
  actors. Never, you know, unless an actor
• 52:50
  is going to engage with you, you don't go up to an actor and say
• 52:55
  anything like hey I saw you and hey can I have your audit right?
• 52:58
  You Starstruck - has to be no, no invoice.
• 53:03
  Like you just are doing what you're supposed to do head down
• 53:07
  and then you know you go back into your little area and go get
• 53:10
  some snacks. That's right and that's what
• 53:13
  they tell you and your work 16-hour days and you're going to
• 53:15
  love it because you're going to get you know that's what I tell
• 53:19
  you. And I'll say this third like and
• 53:21
  I'm sure you've got some experience to where like every
• 53:24
  production is different when it comes to extras work, like some
• 53:27
  places will. Treat you really well.
• 53:29
  And some people treated like trash and there's no, there's no
• 53:32
  in between like, it's either really good or really trash and
• 53:35
  it's, it's funny. It really is.
• 53:39
  But yeah, I did, I couldn't ever really get over that that
• 53:42
  divided thing we were talking about earlier, like, Because
• 53:47
  some some some actors have like really bad Egos and summer, like
• 53:49
  really sweet. Like I remember and I think I've
• 53:52
  said this on the show before, but when I was antenna I
• 53:55
  remember I was being moved from one scene to another or one.
• 53:59
  So one location to another, and we're about to do another scene
• 54:03
  and there was like a little mini trailer.
• 54:07
  Onset that I don't know. I just assumed it was just a
• 54:11
  crew one, I don't know. Like it wasn't away from the
• 54:13
  area where all the rest of the people's trailers were so
• 54:16
  whatever. And the actress, I think her
• 54:19
  name's Elizabeth the Becky she's a really tall actress.
• 54:22
  She's about probably like six foot five very, very stunningly.
• 54:26
  Beautiful woman like just visually striking right?
• 54:29
  And imagine like we're all in a single file.
• 54:31
  Line is like School, we're just being like push to go somewhere
• 54:36
  very slowly. And she comes out of her trailer
• 54:38
  and she looks directly at me in the eyes and I look at her and I
• 54:41
  smile and she smiles back and I was just like right on I just
• 54:45
  can't walk it on us that was surreal notnot like Starstruck
• 54:51
  or anything. Just kind of like it's a real
• 54:53
  moment but like she was really down to earth but I have seen
• 54:56
  that way. Like main actors of that.
• 54:58
  Either bit of an ego like I'm not sitting with a commoners.
• 55:01
  I'm I'm yeah, I'm the main cast, I'm above you.
• 55:07
  Yeah, you see that with extras. Another background.
• 55:26
  There was a there was a guy walking around.
• 55:33
  With his hands in his pockets, kind of blows that like he just
• 55:35
  looked like an unassuming guy that you know quite nice.
• 55:38
  I guess I don't know and we got into a we got into a little
• 55:41
  grouping rules talking just casually waiting for another
• 55:44
  scene and he was like, oh yeah you know I do this all the time.
• 55:49
  Yeah doing a project tomorrow 100K the delay East is just like
• 55:54
  II take it or leave it you know like kind of trying to show off
• 55:57
  and the guy next to me is like defending them like oh yeah that
• 56:00
  he's lovely. This guy's great and I'm sitting
• 56:02
  there Thinking in my head I'm like, is he isn't this just
• 56:05
  comes across very like shitty like I cut it, even if I was a
• 56:09
  big successful actor, I don't know that I would ever feel
• 56:13
  comfortable like I call it Big leaking.
• 56:16
  That's what I call them when you're kind of just walking
• 56:18
  around like oh yeah, I've been in this and this and this.
• 56:22
  What are you been? It looks like it's very low.
• 56:25
  I don't know animals. But but you know, I think in
• 56:29
  that point, you know, there's something to be said, you know
• 56:31
  how they say. Well, If you're like rich, or if
• 56:33
  you're famous, or if you're smart, or if you're whatever,
• 56:36
  you don't have to tell people, people just know.
• 56:38
  I think that's, you know, where it comes down to it, you know,
• 56:42
  part of it is that you don't have to brag about what you've
• 56:44
  done, if, you know you're legit. Because what does that going to
• 56:48
  do? Okay, so I go on to a shoot, you
• 56:50
  know, I go into onto a set and I talk to you and I'm like, oh
• 56:53
  yeah, I was in. Okay, I was in she hockey
• 56:56
  yesterday. Okay.
• 56:58
  And you know I mean like what do you that doesn't do any like
• 57:02
  what does that do for us? We're both on the exact same
• 57:06
  shoot getting the exact same money so what does that does?
• 57:08
  Nothing? And so I never understood that
• 57:11
  also you know where people will go and say oh I did this, I did
• 57:14
  that, I did this, okay, I mean congratulations.
• 57:18
  I guess, right? I just I just, I don't
• 57:21
  understand why it's so difficult for people to just be humble.
• 57:25
  You know, like at the end the day, even if you do become a big
• 57:27
  deal, like you're still a human being, you still pissed, he shit
• 57:31
  sleep. Like, you know, what makes you
• 57:33
  better than anyone at like everyone's the same, you know,
• 57:35
  it's just different like don't get me wrong, you've worked hard
• 57:37
  to get to where you are, and you've had your back everything
• 57:40
  and that's that should. Yes, should be respected.
• 57:43
  But at the same time, it's like, you know, I don't know that it's
• 57:47
  ever a noble thing to brag and be like, I did this.
• 57:51
  I did, this isn't this wonderful?
• 57:53
  Like, I don't know, I've never, Never liked that, kind of
• 57:55
  behavior, all my life. I've always kind of, been
• 58:00
  violently opposed to that. Like, I like, when I'm
• 58:24
  okay, Halfway disquiet. Yeah, diesel.
• 58:28
  I don't know, man. I just, I don't get that, you
• 58:30
  know, in life in general, it doesn't matter what you're
• 58:33
  doing, like forget the entertainment industry, just in
• 58:34
  general, what what what positives are there to bragging
• 58:38
  about their stuff, I guess, it makes you feel good.
• 58:42
  You know, I maybe I guess that makes the person feel good.
• 58:44
  But, you know, one thing I was going to bring up and I had
• 58:46
  before I forget was the engagement thing that you were
• 58:49
  talking about earlier. You mentioned how, you know you
• 58:53
  said there are like Five people or you know, a handful of people
• 58:56
  or whatever that you know, enjoy your show and things like that.
• 59:00
  And that's one thing I can honestly say that.
• 59:04
  Is a huge inspiration to keep going.
• 59:06
  Also, you know, absolutely right.
• 59:09
  Because you know, as you mentioned okay, you might not
• 59:12
  have a million people, okay? You might not have a gajillion
• 59:15
  followers and a billion and all this kind of stuff, but the few
• 59:18
  people that you do have that, you know, that are excited to
• 59:22
  watch her podcast, listen to your podcast, that makes you
• 59:26
  wake up and say, okay, you know what, I was going to give this
• 59:28
  up but such and say, you know what I mean?
• 59:30
  Like this, how about the fact that they want it, you know.
• 59:34
  I had a moment like that about a year ago, I was considering
• 59:37
  giving up the show that same as you have been doing it for two
• 59:39
  years. And you know, I'm very
• 59:42
  transparent with my audience online like I'll tell them if
• 59:45
  I'm not happy about things or if I'm happy about things and I
• 59:48
  always try to be grateful for everything that I have and I'm
• 59:52
  thankful, but occasionally, I'm a human being, sometimes I moan
• 59:54
  or get frustrated the below. Why is this not going anywhere,
• 59:57
  right? But yeah, what it what happened
• 1:00:02
  was there was kind of The views and the listens took a drop like
• 1:00:07
  a significant drop and then there was just no kind of
• 1:00:11
  engagement at all that. No comments nothing and I kind
• 1:00:14
  of then thought that okay so I guess it's just kind of like
• 1:00:18
  morbid curiosity like people there's not really an audience
• 1:00:21
  there because it was very erratic like if it had been like
• 1:00:24
  10 at one point about a year or two ago it was like 20 people
• 1:00:28
  every time and I thought oh great.
• 1:00:29
  This is like you know, okay say for a few let's say there's
• 1:00:33
  about like 10 15. We'll definitely watching every
• 1:00:35
  single time, amazing, right? But then it drops off and tapers
• 1:00:38
  off and on my Ark and maybe maybe maybe I'm doing something
• 1:00:42
  wrong because then you point fingers at yourself that, what
• 1:00:44
  am I doing wrong? What can I do to make it better?
• 1:00:46
  And then I kind of thought, maybe I'm just not good at this,
• 1:00:48
  maybe this just sucks. This is just not interesting,
• 1:00:51
  you know, maybe I should give this up and then people, you
• 1:00:55
  know, I started talking about that online as are, you know, my
• 1:00:58
  feelings and then a few people will, like, chimed in like, oh,
• 1:01:00
  I love this and I love this episode, and this was really
• 1:01:03
  good and I was like, Like all this got me this.
• 1:01:05
  And I've said this before on this show.
• 1:01:06
  So sorry for the know how many times.
• 1:01:09
  How many times I said that as I sorry for sorry.
• 1:01:11
  But yeah. Yeah.
• 1:01:12
  People telling me that, you know, that big something got
• 1:01:15
  them for a hard time or something and that's when it
• 1:01:18
  started being like quite real, I was like oh okay this this is a
• 1:01:22
  reason to keep going because it gives other people like hope
• 1:01:26
  motivation entertainment even if it's just like a laugh or you
• 1:01:31
  know it's a bit of fun for like 20 minutes or an hour.
• 1:01:34
  An hour or whatever, the case may be, that's worth something
• 1:01:36
  that to me is worth the world. So who cares if it doesn't get
• 1:01:40
  like a thousand views million views like those five people
• 1:01:43
  that check it out. Thank you so much, you rock and
• 1:01:46
  I'll keep going for you. So there you go.
• 1:01:48
  That's what in that and that's exactly what it is.
• 1:01:50
  It's just I think and I, you know, I'm just speaking from
• 1:01:54
  experience, but I think that were similar in the way that,
• 1:01:59
  you know, I think actors in general, you know, anybody that
• 1:02:01
  wants to be in the industry, I think there's going to be a time
• 1:02:05
  where you're contemplating giving up, you know, maybe
• 1:02:09
  because things aren't going as quickly as you think they should
• 1:02:12
  or just something kind of takes your, you know, you just like
• 1:02:16
  man, maybe I'm like you said, maybe I'm just not good at this.
• 1:02:19
  Maybe I need to try something new.
• 1:02:21
  And I think when there is something that boosts you back
• 1:02:25
  up that It's, you know, that you're on the right path, right?
• 1:02:28
  Something that says, okay, I'm at my lowest right now.
• 1:02:31
  I have no ideas. Nobody's watching this, I suck.
• 1:02:35
  But then, when something comes in and put you right back on the
• 1:02:39
  okay, you know, I maybe I can do this.
• 1:02:41
  I think that's kind of, I don't know, Karma or the world or just
• 1:02:45
  something, whatever kind of telling you like, this is your
• 1:02:48
  path. This is where you need to go.
• 1:02:50
  And this is where you need to be, it's going to be hard,
• 1:02:52
  right? It's not going to be easy and
• 1:02:54
  it's not going to come like overnight.
• 1:02:56
  This is your okay you know you're okay.
• 1:03:00
  Just keep going, just keep going and and I use that a lot to to
• 1:03:04
  where, you know, there was a time, maybe two months, I didn't
• 1:03:08
  write anything because mentally I was just like, I have nothing.
• 1:03:12
  I, you know, I have nothing, I have no ideas, no one cares.
• 1:03:16
  This is just too weird. You know, this is this is just
• 1:03:19
  too out there to not be a huge production, right?
• 1:03:22
  If it was like a huge production, like a Netflix
• 1:03:24
  people would love it. Oh my God.
• 1:03:26
  But but I was like, maybe this is just who out there.
• 1:03:28
  But then, like you said, a few people would come to me and say,
• 1:03:31
  Hey, you know, this was kind of funny or this is kind of stupid.
• 1:03:36
  Or if my mom says, oh this made me laugh.
• 1:03:38
  I'll be like, okay, well I guess it's time to turn back on some
• 1:03:42
  Court shows, and make these veto and make these cases, as weird
• 1:03:45
  as possible or your friends. Do the same thing or people
• 1:03:48
  online. Do the same thing and they're
• 1:03:49
  like, hey, I needed this to get through my day or I needed this
• 1:03:53
  to get through something. I was going on, you know, that
• 1:03:55
  was going on. My life and this helped me get
• 1:03:59
  my mind off of the issues that I was having even if it is for 30
• 1:04:04
  minutes an hour, however, long, but it helped them to not focus
• 1:04:08
  on on life. And I think that I think when we
• 1:04:12
  get to that point, you know, as entertainers, I think, when we
• 1:04:15
  get to that point, it is more of a passion as opposed to I'm
• 1:04:19
  doing it for money. You know, you're doing it for
• 1:04:21
  the right reasons. Now, you're doing it for people
• 1:04:23
  and for yourself, and I think that's You know, that's huge and
• 1:04:27
  that's what will keep you going to be genuinely passionate, you
• 1:04:30
  know, I will say this, like, for me when it comes to acting, I
• 1:04:35
  want to make that a career and I want to earn money from it, but
• 1:04:38
  with the red were caught with the podcast, I don't necessarily
• 1:04:41
  care about it making money but I do want it to reach people,
• 1:04:45
  right. Because I feel like every
• 1:04:49
  episode has something to offer. I truly believe that every time
• 1:04:52
  I walk away from it, I walk away inspired.
• 1:04:55
  Oh, you know, I was Really looking forward to today's
• 1:04:58
  episode, you know, I was like asking very fun and you know,
• 1:05:01
  like I was trying to get this is why I was late, by the way, I
• 1:05:04
  was at the gym and I was trying to quickly get it in the gating
• 1:05:06
  and come down and do the episode.
• 1:05:09
  And I done a live stream earlier in the day where it's spoken
• 1:05:11
  about it is, could be doing this so I was like, really excited
• 1:05:15
  for it and then I get to do it and then it's every time same
• 1:05:20
  feeling like yeah, this is inspiring this, I love doing
• 1:05:23
  this, I always get something out of it, you know.
• 1:05:25
  You get to To talk to people as well.
• 1:05:27
  Have a conversation with someone from across the room, across the
• 1:05:30
  pond somewhere in a different part of the world and just
• 1:05:34
  connect with them and share stories.
• 1:05:36
  You know, I had no idea for instance that we were talk so
• 1:05:38
  much about acting in the entertainment industry.
• 1:05:40
  That's a surprise but a welcome one and it's made for a really
• 1:05:44
  really good show and it's like that's kind of the excitement in
• 1:05:47
  the podcasting. What is the unknown?
• 1:05:49
  And how you keep going forward? And I feel like with your show
• 1:05:52
  as well, it'll be the same thing.
• 1:05:53
  You keep going and going I'm sure in the last two years
• 1:05:55
  you've seen seen certain changes either things you've tweaked or
• 1:05:59
  things that have just changed over time through repetition.
• 1:06:02
  Oh absolutely 100%. I mean the the first so it's on
• 1:06:08
  season for now and the first season.
• 1:06:13
  So one thing that I think inspired me in the very very
• 1:06:16
  very, very beginning was something that I heard one of
• 1:06:19
  The Simpsons creators say and they said that and the gentleman
• 1:06:24
  said that Put it out there because his whole thing was,
• 1:06:29
  when the Simpsons first came out, it was horrible.
• 1:06:33
  He said, the the illustrations were bad, the cartoons looked
• 1:06:37
  horrible. The writing was like, you know,
• 1:06:39
  if you know kind of iffy he said, but they put it out there
• 1:06:44
  and then it kept growing and getting better and better than
• 1:06:48
  once. You put it out there, you can
• 1:06:49
  see what you need to tweak, right?
• 1:06:51
  Because it's out there now, it's not just in your mind because
• 1:06:54
  you're not going to Just come up with something, you know and
• 1:06:57
  idea put it out there and it'd be perfect in the beginning,
• 1:07:01
  right? It's not going to be perfect.
• 1:07:03
  You're going to have to see it. Tweak it, tweak it, tweak it and
• 1:07:06
  I think that's one thing. Like you mentioned I with the
• 1:07:09
  show, you know, the first two seasons, the riding was, you
• 1:07:12
  know, a little weird and it didn't, you know, there is
• 1:07:15
  nothing basically to it, but it was putting it out there.
• 1:07:18
  So that way, it can be tweaked. And then by the third, by the
• 1:07:22
  third season, there was an intro, you know, it was s'more.
• 1:07:27
  I don't know, I think I had everything outlined a little bit
• 1:07:29
  better and then by season for its you know it's completely
• 1:07:33
  different where things are outlined everybody is basically
• 1:07:36
  on the same like kind of thing with the exception of the type
• 1:07:40
  of story that it is but everybody has pretty much the
• 1:07:43
  same outline of how they're going to talk, how they're going
• 1:07:45
  to do it. We have an intro now, I mean
• 1:07:48
  it's growing but it wasn't, you know, season one and like you
• 1:07:52
  said, every time you look at your art your work, you're like,
• 1:07:56
  okay, I need need to fix that. I need to fix that.
• 1:07:58
  I need to fix that. I need to change that.
• 1:08:00
  I can tweak that, and I think that's part of the fun about it
• 1:08:02
  too. You know, that's part of the
• 1:08:03
  fun. Part of the process is that
• 1:08:05
  there's always something you can change, always something.
• 1:08:07
  You could tweak always something that you can learn it because
• 1:08:11
  it's ever changing, and it's art, and it's always changing,
• 1:08:14
  which is so I think, which is one of the best things about
• 1:08:16
  this whole industry. You never know what's going to
• 1:08:18
  hit, you know, you just have to keep changing it and trying new
• 1:08:21
  things, right? This is why I needed to hear
• 1:08:24
  today. Okay, a couple of quick fire
• 1:08:31
  questions bunch of different quick, fire questions for you.
• 1:08:34
  Just all right, and your friend and phonies out there.
• 1:08:37
  What been the biggest lessons you've learned from acting so
• 1:08:42
  far? I think it's stay, humble.
• 1:08:48
  Stay humble, and stay crippled. And here's why though and I know
• 1:08:51
  that ties into what kind of what we were talking about.
• 1:08:53
  Coincidentally it does right, it ties into what we were just
• 1:08:55
  talking about and it's because I noticed that I was fortunate
• 1:09:01
  enough to get you know, a lot of like extra roles and things like
• 1:09:05
  that for not even wanting not. I don't want to say not wanting
• 1:09:09
  to be but for not knowing anything about the industry,
• 1:09:12
  right? So I was fortunate enough to get
• 1:09:14
  likes it. A lot of roles and things like
• 1:09:15
  that. That and I had no idea.
• 1:09:17
  And so anytime I would get a role, it would be.
• 1:09:18
  Oh, I'm just grateful to get this rope like I'm just happy to
• 1:09:21
  get. It wasn't.
• 1:09:22
  It was never like, oh, I got this.
• 1:09:24
  Look at me. I'm going to post it on Facebook
• 1:09:25
  and whatever and tell everybody, you know, it was just like okay,
• 1:09:28
  you know, cool. But then I also noticed people
• 1:09:31
  that have been doing it for so many years like acting for so
• 1:09:34
  many years and they've let their ego.
• 1:09:37
  Get ahead of them to wear. Oh, I'm not going to take this
• 1:09:40
  part because it might be paid but it's not enough for me,
• 1:09:44
  right? Mind you These are just extras.
• 1:09:46
  These are just background. I'm not talking about like
• 1:09:48
  actors actors but even some like, you know, kind of lower
• 1:09:52
  lower level actors, same thing. Once they get into something,
• 1:09:55
  they have a tendency to think now they're a little bit higher
• 1:09:58
  than they are. So now I won't take this role
• 1:10:00
  because it doesn't pay enough. Now I won't take this role
• 1:10:03
  because of dot dot but then I noticed the people that were
• 1:10:06
  humble that were always just like, yeah, I'll take it.
• 1:10:08
  I don't care. Like Danny Trejo.
• 1:10:10
  Look at all the movies that he's it, he plays in some crazy
• 1:10:13
  movies from, you know, Holly He would Blockbuster amazing
• 1:10:17
  Quentin Tarantino movies to movies that you might just see
• 1:10:20
  are like to be that you're like wait what he did this and you
• 1:10:25
  know, and it's like sci-fi Asylum, tight movie you just
• 1:10:28
  like what? You know, I think having that
• 1:10:31
  mentality where. Yeah, I'll just take it as long
• 1:10:33
  as everybody's cool. I'll take it.
• 1:10:34
  I think that gets you a lot further than just being.
• 1:10:37
  I'm better than everybody. So that's one thing that I've
• 1:10:40
  and that's actually, you know, gone over into real life too.
• 1:10:43
  So I think that's one of the biggest lessons Ins that I've
• 1:10:45
  learned from acting in from being in this entertainment
• 1:10:48
  industry. Funtastic.
• 1:10:52
  What the biggest lessons you've learned from writing?
• 1:11:00
  Anything can be changed, anything?
• 1:11:05
  Yeah, anything can be changed and tweaked and nothing is
• 1:11:09
  permanent. You know, and I think that comes
• 1:11:15
  from say, like, writing a full script and then going back and
• 1:11:18
  being like, okay, well, now that this full script is written, I
• 1:11:21
  can have this part tie into this part to make you give it a
• 1:11:24
  little bit more depth or a little bit more detail.
• 1:11:29
  Yeah, I think that's probably one of the biggest things from
• 1:11:32
  right and to not be afraid to write, right?
• 1:11:35
  Not be afraid to put your thoughts on paper.
• 1:11:38
  Not in the, you know, not being, you know, not keeping the
• 1:11:41
  creativity inside of you. Hmm.
• 1:11:44
  Because like you said, even if a million people don't listen,
• 1:11:48
  follow whatever whatever this is still your in a way, truth,
• 1:11:53
  right? This is still your creativity
• 1:11:55
  coming out and this is still you putting it out there.
• 1:11:58
  Whether it is See, people don't like it.
• 1:12:00
  It doesn't matter. It's something that's inside of
• 1:12:03
  you that you have the itch for The Knack for you.
• 1:12:05
  Just have to put it out there. It sucks, big deal.
• 1:12:08
  You put it out there, nobody can.
• 1:12:10
  Nobody can fault you for that because you try, you did it, you
• 1:12:14
  know, versus that guy that's sitting inside of an office.
• 1:12:17
  And he's got so many ideas, but he's just like, I'm just going
• 1:12:19
  to work for a pension. I don't care about the
• 1:12:21
  creativity stuff, I we're out there doing it.
• 1:12:23
  So that's I mean it's just so much stuff, you know that you
• 1:12:28
  learn and I was like God, I was that guy, you know, growing up.
• 1:12:32
  I was, I did Finance like that. Was my background.
• 1:12:35
  My background is always been financed numbers stocks.
• 1:12:39
  That's my background credit, but you know, you get into this
• 1:12:44
  industry and your mind just expands so much.
• 1:12:47
  There's like so much more. And so, that's, I think, one of
• 1:12:50
  the bigger biggest lessons, I've learned from writing is just to
• 1:12:53
  expand your mind, you know, bring in stuff.
• 1:12:56
  And now I've got lost you since you said that.
• 1:12:59
  Hey, Sure, she can share some stories from your Finance days,
• 1:13:02
  anything crazy experienced or out there.
• 1:13:07
  So I used to work for a car dealership.
• 1:13:09
  Absolutely. So I used to work for a car
• 1:13:12
  dealership and We would I had this one manager, he's an
• 1:13:20
  amazing manager. He used to make money, he used
• 1:13:24
  to attempt to make money on, literally everybody and I don't
• 1:13:28
  mean maybe a couple hundred dollars.
• 1:13:29
  I'm talking about thousands of dollars, thousands of dollars
• 1:13:33
  and I remember one young lady came in to the dealership and
• 1:13:37
  she bought she bought a Mazda and the whole time we were
• 1:13:42
  telling him she was on the phone with her boyfriend or on the
• 1:13:44
  phone with her husband or something, and she's like, hey,
• 1:13:46
  can you come down here to just go over the numbers?
• 1:13:48
  Make sure everything is okay. He wouldn't do it.
• 1:13:51
  So okay. I so she signs papers all that
• 1:13:53
  kind of stuff, turns out that it was like a eleven thousand
• 1:13:56
  dollar profit because she didn't pay attention, you know, he's,
• 1:14:00
  she just didn't know if she was asking him to come down the
• 1:14:03
  whole time 11,000, are the next day?
• 1:14:06
  Me. And the manager who had done the
• 1:14:08
  whole deal, we're both off her boyfriend or husband comes back
• 1:14:13
  in. And with a Red Bull can hits my
• 1:14:17
  general manager in the head with a Red Bull can because his It
• 1:14:22
  was basically now in debt for the next 84 months.
• 1:14:25
  So he's upset or girlfriend, whatever he's upset hits over
• 1:14:28
  and then just takes off and just runs.
• 1:14:30
  And now, everyone else is the dealership is either like hiding
• 1:14:33
  under the desk. My other sales manager, he's in
• 1:14:35
  the back doing something else and I say guy just takes off and
• 1:14:39
  runs and this was somewhere around Easter, whatever, that
• 1:14:42
  was probably one of the craziest.
• 1:14:44
  And again, me nor the other manager that actually did the
• 1:14:48
  deal was there. And in fact, the general manager
• 1:14:51
  who got hit in the head, Head with a Red Bull can before he
• 1:14:54
  left the day before said, make sure you take care of her
• 1:14:57
  because she's like family and so we did.
• 1:15:03
  Yeah. I'm going to jail and all that
• 1:15:07
  kind of stuff. So it's pouring a bit broken Dev
• 1:15:12
  to my general manager in the head.
• 1:15:13
  So you know, really went to prison for that.
• 1:15:16
  Yeah. I mean only for like a couple of
• 1:15:18
  days, not like prison just like, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
• 1:15:22
  Akka, whatever. But yeah, that was we had some
• 1:15:25
  fun. Damn man, definitely, we
• 1:15:29
  definitely had some fun, some fun times.
• 1:15:31
  But again, that was the 925 your 929 because those car business
• 1:15:36
  that was like the 929 thing and then you know I learned about
• 1:15:39
  this business and then once you get hooked into this business
• 1:15:42
  it's hard to come out, no matter, no matter what you try,
• 1:15:45
  it's always in the back of your mind.
• 1:15:47
  You're always just like, I miss it, you know, Granny.
• 1:15:51
  Crazy customer service stories. No more than usual, to be honest
• 1:15:57
  with you, you know, cause somebody on the phone, they
• 1:15:59
  curse you out and they tell you that, you do put something in
• 1:16:02
  there, you know, normal, just normal stuff.
• 1:16:04
  And then mentally, you just kind of check out you start thinking
• 1:16:07
  about food or what you're going to eat the next day, you know.
• 1:16:10
  Yeah. You just kind of check out why
• 1:16:11
  they're laughing or cursing at you and then you get back on the
• 1:16:14
  phone. It's kind of stopped and they're
• 1:16:15
  like, well, did you hear anything?
• 1:16:17
  I said right? Uh-huh.
• 1:16:19
  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
• 1:16:20
  And then, you know, whatever, so nothing, nothing too crazy.
• 1:16:24
  I said my most Interesting stories were in the car
• 1:16:26
  business, for sure. We're definitely car business
• 1:16:30
  because that's a, that well. And actually, let me ask you a
• 1:16:34
  question, what have you learned from everything from your
• 1:16:36
  entertainment? Dealings damn, flipping the
• 1:16:41
  script on me. That's a good question.
• 1:16:45
  That is a, that's a good question that you had.
• 1:16:49
  There's a lot of things I've learned.
• 1:16:52
  Mmm. well, what's a what's one that you take in your regular
• 1:16:57
  life now Again, this is, this is his phone me biggest lesson.
• 1:17:05
  I've learned from the entertainment industry.
• 1:17:10
  To be honest, the only thing that's coming to mind is what
• 1:17:14
  you said is is just like keeping your ego in check, I think not
• 1:17:19
  that. I had a particularly big ego
• 1:17:22
  before, like, I bet, I believe in myself, don't get me wrong.
• 1:17:24
  I think it's important to have confidence and stuff, but a time
• 1:17:28
  and time again, I've seen what you've seen and experienced,
• 1:17:31
  what you've seen, which is just people like, you know, I said
• 1:17:34
  this before on the show, I don't know if then, if I thought she
• 1:17:37
  said this on the show before, maybe, maybe I have I did an
• 1:17:40
  audition fairly recently and there was a guy there who just
• 1:17:43
  didn't bother saying that I didn't even acknowledge me or
• 1:17:46
  the guy I was with and I kind of looked at that.
• 1:17:50
  Like, okay, so some like what it was teaching me is that some
• 1:17:55
  people have a really bad attitude in the industry and
• 1:17:57
  then there's everyone else that, you know, doesn't have that
• 1:18:00
  attitude. But depending on what the
• 1:18:03
  production is and who you're working with.
• 1:18:05
  Sometimes that person might be, like, really important.
• 1:18:08
  They might be like, Director or the lead actor, and then that
• 1:18:11
  makes it more difficult, right? So the only thing you're going
• 1:18:14
  to really do is focus on what you're doing in your attitude
• 1:18:19
  and how you treat people. I don't worry about how they're
• 1:18:21
  treating people worried about what you're doing and I feel
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  like, you know, it's funny. I feel like everything that I've
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  learned in the past year or two years is preparing me for like
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  the eventual day when I become a big success or whatever.
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  So that I know how to act properly, do you know what it
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  do? You know what I mean?
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  Like, it's not even like it's like for example knowing how to
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  treat fans, I've seen so many instances of people, and I've
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  had bad experiences. These of celebrities myself,
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  which makes me just never want to meet them because I've just
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  said you had bad experience. Why sir?
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  I don't want to they say, never meet your Heroes and it's like,
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  Ever Meet Your Heroes. I was just about to say that.
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  Yeah. Like there's some sometimes
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  that's wrong and I'm happy when that's when that's wrong.
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  But for the most part for the most part, it's true in the
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  sense that like I, maybe maybe is just catching people from the
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  bad day. I mean, I've sick for instance
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  on a wrestling fan, and, you know, sometimes when I see like
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  wrestlers say, like or don't If you approach me at 3 a.m. in the
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  airport and Shepherd camera phone in my face, don't expect
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  me to smile and I'm are totally get that.
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  That's that makes sense, right? That's legit.
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  But and like, for instance, I saw something the other day,
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  which is brilliant. It was like John Cena in London
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  and there was a another instance of like a guy shoving, a Hoon in
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  his face and recording him. And John was like, really just
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  like polite and just like, Hey, listen you film me without my
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  consent. You keep doing this and I've
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  I've asked you not to and I'm not going to do anything for you
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  and and then he sort of sarcastically says I can thank
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  you for being respectful. Thank you for asking, you know,
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  and sort of walks out. And I saw in the comments that
• 1:20:07
  some people were just like oh why didn't John do this, why
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  didn't John do that? But most people were saying
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  like, well done to John for his professionals and and that's the
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  way I look at it. It's like just treat people with
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  respect and treat people, how you would want to be treated and
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  and yeah, keep your ego in check.
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  Like don't let like Because people are clapping and
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  applauding you, and telling you how brilliant you are like.
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  That doesn't mean you need to let it get to your head like say
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  thank you, you know, be grateful and then just move on and that's
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  it. Easy as that some more stuff,
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  right? Yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah, keep, yeah. You keep doing keep creating
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  stuff of value. Give those people a reason to
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  stay fans. Exactly.
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  And that's what it is. Oh, you know what?
• 1:20:51
  Speaking of though, what was the feeling like, how was your
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  feeling the first time you saw? Show yourself on TV.
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  I think I cringed Yvonne. I mean, come on, I think it was
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  a short film just like, okay. Video and stuff.
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  But, yeah, this was that first official with like, a proper
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  camera and everything and it took ages for it to be released
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  and finally released. And I was just like, like, I
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  tried to look at it objectively and be like, okay, but like, I
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  always, I watch back my stuff for the acting stuff to kind of
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  see where I can improve like, what I'm getting better at what
• 1:22:02
  mistakes I'm making like, I do that, but I don't really tend to
• 1:22:06
  sit down and watch myself because I just why, why?
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  Why would ya? I just, you know, I mean like
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  for instance I remember one short film.
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  I did the guy that was acting with was an amazing actor, he
• 1:22:19
  was more into like directorial stuff, but he was an amazing and
• 1:22:24
  it was a real pleasure to act with this guy.
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  And every time I watch back that short film, I couldn't give two
• 1:22:31
  shits about myself. I'm just enthralled it.
• 1:22:33
  His performance is acting. Yeah.
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  Like I'm just like I always tell people I get go check.
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  This guy is amazing, but he is not pursuing acting and I don't
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  know why. Brilliant.
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  But it is what it is. But yeah, I don't know.
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  I mean, I guess it comes down to that whole ego thing, isn't it?
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  Like I don't really see myself as as just anything.
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  I'm just I'm just a guy truck with dreams.
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  Really. That's that's it.
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  And yeah, like it's a lie. It's kind of cool were supposed
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  to yeah, to see yourself doing the thing that you love and that
• 1:23:08
  you're pursuing like that's that's cool.
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  But at the same time, I'm yeah, I just get, you know, it's
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  funny, it's not acting but like I don't have to explain this
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  properly but like whenever someone the same real life comes
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  up to me like a friend or someone like I give this up, I
• 1:23:28
  started doing bar work recently just to book, a make ends meet
• 1:23:32
  like here and there and it's great.
• 1:23:33
  Like I hadn't Dunbar working like five years and I enjoy it's
• 1:23:37
  hard work but hey pays the bills right?
• 1:23:39
  And gets me out of her so bad. Right.
• 1:23:41
  Yeah, go to make that money man. And so my housemate who works
• 1:23:48
  with me, there tells me that one of the girls work and their
• 1:23:51
  recognizes me from like a tick tock video and I just died
• 1:23:55
  inside. I was like, oh no, and he's
• 1:23:57
  like, that's great. You're getting exposure outside.
• 1:23:59
  No, no no. See that would be fine.
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  If all of my stuff was like, really serious acting stuff, you
• 1:24:06
  know, because it's okay. I bet I bet the video she's seen
• 1:24:10
  is of me. Just doing a stupid stupid and I
• 1:24:14
  did some stupid video of me going to and that's more likely.
• 1:24:18
  And I was just embarrassed and he was like, well it's a good
• 1:24:21
  thing. I might it's very it's a man
• 1:24:26
  that's my uncle. Like if I was in real life and
• 1:24:28
  you told me how like how brilliant I was, I'd probably
• 1:24:30
  just get really shy and I'm like, What's Up blushing?
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  Must be an honest man. That's the, how is it?
• 1:24:51
  Yeah but you know yeah it is what I think that's what it is.
• 1:24:56
  But I think that's part of staying humble also.
• 1:24:59
  So so so no I think your you've got it all the way around.
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  You know, when somebody sees you regardless of whatever staying
• 1:25:06
  humble and not taking the compliment.
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  You know, thank you very much for watching this episode of the
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  Christian Reef podcast. Tune in next time to watch part
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  2.