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“I Questioned Everything” - My ‘Radical’ Approach To Dealing With Cancer | Katrina Foe · Everyday Ancestral with James Barry

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Welcome back to Everyday Ancestral, where we reconnect with what the body has always known.
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Does life happen to you or for you?
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When functional nutritionist Katrina Foe was
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diagnosed with breast cancer, she did something few people have the courage or support to do.
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She reversed it 100% naturally.
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No chemo, no radiation, just food, mindset, and deeply
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ancestral practices.
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And she did it while homeschooling her seven kids.
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In this episode,
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Katrina shares how she turned a life-altering diagnosis into a path of de-healing, challenging
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everything we've been taught about disease, resilience, and what it means to trust the
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body's wisdom.
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If you've ever questioned the limits of modern medicine or wondered if a more
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natural ancestral path could work for you, this conversation is your invitation to look deeper.
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How does it feel to you hearing that?
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Does it make you emotional at all about what you've
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done and what you've accomplished?
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Yeah, James, it, it does.
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It brings up a lot of stuff.
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I'm
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like, wow, who is that lady?
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Um, this path has been circuitous and crazy and, um, but it has,
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it's taken me to that deeper place that I would have wanted to go, but I don't know that I would
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have chosen that path.
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Yeah.
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It really brings up that question of like, you know, as I started
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with that does life happen for us or to us and I mean did this did the cancer diagnosis truly was
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that the first time where you really changed that perspective of like oh no this is an opportunity
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for me to look deeper and to see this as a gift versus as a as a death sentence or had you already
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shifted to that mindset previously that's a really good question no so I'd actually had two kind of
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food as medicine, health, eye-opening experiences that had already invited me.
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And when I entered
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into it, it's shown me that there's other ways to look at things and, you know, reframing it and
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seeing, you know, things that happen to us passively as more opportunities to dive in and
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investigate and learn and look for new paths already before.
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I don't know, frankly, that I
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would have made the choices that I chose if I hadn't had those two big health things,
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which are like whole other stories, happened prior.
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Well, let's go backwards then, because I would love to just at least touch on this path,
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because I think it's really important.
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You know, when we're living in this modern society, we were sold this bill of goods that
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technology was going to simplify things, but it really hasn't.
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And so I think, if anything, more and more people are in a place of like they're outsourcing their health, they've lost touch with what their own body needs, and we're scared, particularly when something like a diagnosis of cancer comes up.
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And more and more people are getting some kind of diagnosis like this, whether it's cancer or autoimmune diseases.
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There's something happening from modern society.
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And if anything, our medical systems aren't supporting us.
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They're broken.
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And in many ways, society is broken because we don't know how to support each other in this state of dis-ease, right?
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So I would love to go backwards in your journey because I believe that's where the answers are, because you did find support.
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You are supporting others.
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But how did we get here?
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So let's go backwards to seven kids homeschooling.
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Like, what's that all about?
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well i like children um and then you know with the homeschooling uh even before i had my first
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child like i just wanted to spend more time with them so i had structured my first business which
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is a pilates studio so that i could you know work from home and um like have a flexible schedule i
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was in charge of the schedule i'll just put it that way um and i could leverage myself because
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I was the business owner.
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And that was kind of all from the beginning because I wanted to be
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with my kids.
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And that's where we had lots of children.
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But she had some really bad tooth decay.
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I was really, really sick, the hypermesis gravidarum, when I got pregnant with her.
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Who is this, your firstborn?
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My firstborn.
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I was on suppository medication.
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I couldn't even take the oral medication.
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And I am, even then I was super anti-medication and she fast forward had some serious tooth decay
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when she had to be three or four, she was like having some pain.
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I took her in and she needed,
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um, I think it was eight fillings and three baby root canals.
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And I'm like, what are you talking
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about?
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And they, they looked at me like I was a bad person.
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And they're like, you need to stop
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beating her soda and junk food.
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And like, she's never had soda.
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I mean, I wasn't, I was eating
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maybe like generically healthy, but I wasn't eating what I now know is healthy.
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And so it
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took a lot of like three more second opinions and a whole lot of digging in.
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And I found the
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GAPS diet and we started cleaning everything up and we stopped the tooth decay.
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And that's
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kind of what got me into Weston Price and starting along this journey of like,
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how does our food interact with us?
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And what is this, you know, the right way to eat ancestrally?
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And even before that, I had had this really interesting, my husband, my fiance at the time, we were both had dogs.
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I had fully vaccinated mine and he had not.
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And so I was going to be a good little fiance and register his dog and get her all vaccinated and took her in.
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And she almost died from all the vaccinations.
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they um she had bronchitis really bad three times that year and it really kind of brought it to my
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in my face of like what what is the vaccine why why would this happen and i started researching
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all this stuff and realized that i had had a vaccine injury as a child that my mom had never
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told me about and like i'm i'm super glad knowing what i know now that i didn't vaccinate my kid
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Because especially with my oldest history and compromised immune system, like it would have probably been a big problem.
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So those together really brought it in my attention.
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Like I need to look into things more thoroughly before I just jump in with whatever is recommended.
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Our cat, our first cat as a family, she also was vaccine damaged.
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And it was very clear that it was from the vaccine.
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And it ended up being from the vaccine they give all the animals who are outdoors.
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I'm forgetting.
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The rabies shot.
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It was from that vaccine.
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And it affected her neural pathways.
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And she would get these seizures from there on out.
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And she would get them regularly.
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So it's interesting because a lot of people, it's such not a black and white situation, right?
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Vaccines.
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There really are subtleties.
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And yet most of society, at least in the media, don't allow for that.
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They're just like, no, you either are for it or against it.
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It's like, no, there's real situations that exist.
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The people that are loud about this are not loud about it randomly.
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It's like we've experienced things.
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Um, so that was the first occurrence of just starting to think about things that are outside
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of the norm.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it started my brain thinking and researching and reading all the books and starting to
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talk to people about it.
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And, um, through a lot of those resources, I started to learn like, Hey, maybe I don't
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want to make this choice.
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That's just the standard.
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Everybody does it this way kind of thing.
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And in one of those was homeschooling and, you know, getting to be with the kids is one benefit.
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But then I get to teach them what I want.
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I get to have more flexibility time wise with them and what they learn and all and what they eat.
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That's a huge one.
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As a practitioner now, I it's almost impossible to work with kids that are at school because there's so many variables outside of your control.
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And as a homeschooler, you get a lot more control with that.
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How old is your oldest now?
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She's 18.
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Okay.
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So she's old enough and probably some of the others as well where they're now exposed and doing things outside of the home, obviously, and they're being influenced by the food that's outside the home.
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So how are you navigating that?
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Because I know that's a little divergent from a topic, but it's one that I think so many of us as parents struggle with.
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If you're following a very specific food paradigm at home that's different from what's outside the home, usually the kids feel like they're freaks.
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They're treated differently.
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They then get even more curious about the junk food and sometimes get even more addicted to it.
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So how have you been navigating that?
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That's a fantastic question.
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And yeah, as parents, we do the best we can with what we know.
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And I'm big on education, whether it's with my clients or my kids.
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I feel like for the most part, when people really understand the situation, they have
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better opportunities to take responsibility for themselves.
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And I tell my kids all the time, like, it's your body.
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It's not mine.
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You don't get another one later in life or something.
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You know, if you choose to do that, it's your choice.
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now, you know, as a five-year-old, it's different than a 15-year-old.
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Um, another thing with the
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homeschooling is I get to, I mean, they're there in the house for more meals, so they get to cook
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them.
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Um, and we do it together.
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And, you know, as they grew up, um, they learned how, you know,
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basic skills of cooking to where then eventually they can cook whole meals and do meal planning
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and stuff.
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And I feel like that's a really important life skill that most schools leave out.
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so you know as they've gotten older there's there's been times where we're out and they're
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like I've never had this piece of junk food or you know whatever I'm like yeah let's try it I
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want you to taste it you know I want you to know what it tastes like and a lot of times like oh
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my gosh this is so good I'm like yeah but it has these consequences you know so we discuss it all
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and yeah it tastes good because there's addictive chemicals in it and because there's you know this
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and it opens up really great opportunities.
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So I don't shelter them from everything,
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but overall, yeah, they eat super healthy.
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They know how to cook.
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I let them make a lot of their
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own choices.
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So we do a lot of, um, kind of salad bar style where they get to choose what goes on
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their plate.
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Um, and I have a very strict, you have to try everything.
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I was a very,
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embarrassingly so picky eater as a kid.
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And, um, I think it's important.
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You have to try
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everything because your taste buds change.
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And if you don't want to eat it, fine, but you don't get
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anything else.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Holding boundaries is, is actually creates a better home life
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and is safer for the kids.
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Like they feel more freedom with boundaries than not.
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At least that's
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what I've found.
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Yeah.
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And I have so much fun with them now, James.
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Like we go out to restaurants
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and I get like even waiters and other tables commenting because my kids are eating things
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like escargot and foie gras and, and I have fun cause I get to eat with them and they're not
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wanting just chicken nuggets.
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Nice.
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Okay.
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So back to the journey though.
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Uh, so after
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this health journey with your daughter, her teeth, uh, what, what was the next kind of catapult?
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Was
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it the cancer diagnosis?
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Yeah.
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So the teeth led us on this whole gut healing thing and we did gaps.
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and even despite that, I had then developed cancer, which looking back and understanding
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and having seen that objective lab test, it makes sense.
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There were a lot of other variables.
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And that's kind of the thing that I would say to people with the vaccines, because a lot of people
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like that all vaccines cause problems and all don't.
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And it's not a black and white thing,
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like you were saying.
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Just like with the vaccines, you know, cancer is going to be a myriad of
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issues.
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It's never one thing.
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And there's when we do the lab testing on all the things that cause
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cancer and have been shown to drive cancer, there's usually seven or eight things coming up.
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So it makes it trickier to like, feel into like, well, what's going on?
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And to see it because most
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of the clients that come to me, they don't really have symptoms.
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I mean, I have some sniggly things
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that are no big deals, but they're not like, have major life conditions.
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So they're very perplexed
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this.
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Now, you said you were running a Pilates studio, right?
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When did you then transition to
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nutrition?
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Even though I know while you had the Pilates studio, you were still into nutrition,
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right?
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But you took it to a whole other level.
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You became a functional nutritionist.
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Did that happen
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before the diagnosis, during, after?
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Yeah, that's a great question.
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So I actually still
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own the Pilates studio, Personalized Pilates.
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It's in Scottsdale and I've been running it remotely
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for more than a decade now.
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So I'm not full time in it.
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I'm the owner.
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But the cancer diagnosis,
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I had already, like I said, done a lot of research about nutrition, but I wasn't, I hadn't taken
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courses and training.
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With the cancer diagnosis, the whole thing was so fascinating.
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And I really
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struggled to find understanding and get my questions answered.
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So I actually went to
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Nutritional Therapy Association and then to do functional lab testing training and
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integrative oncology training where I wanted to understand.
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And so that was after the cancer
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diagnosis to get the official credentials and everything.
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So you got the diagnosis and it was
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breast cancer, right?
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What stage was it?
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I actually chose not to do the staging because
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the biopsies and all the scans, a lot of them can cause cancer and such and spread it.
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So I
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didn't want to opt in that way.
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So you went truly natural.
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So can you walk me through what is
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naturally, what does a natural cancer diagnosis process look like?
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Yeah, and this is super controversial.
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So mammograms are radiation, and then they want
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to do a biopsy, and then they want to do, I'm sorry, then they want to do the ultrasound,
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and then the biopsy.
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And the biopsies, where they extract the needle with the cells of the tumor,
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can actually leave secondary track marks where secondary tumors can grow.
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So I wanted to opt out of that.
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And there's actually technology where you can do just a
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a basic normal blood draw, and you can test for circulating tumor cells.
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And they can actually
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detect from those cells, like where the tissue of origin is, and validate, is it cancer?
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Is it not?
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As well as monitor things.
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So I mean, there's lots of companies that do this, some are more
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accurate than others.
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And at the time of my cancer, this was 10 years ago, I had two different
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companies that validated because I didn't really believe the first one.
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I had found the lump with
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a plug duct when I was nursing my fifth child and just thought it was part of that.
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And when I dug
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in and did some of these tests, I was like, no, that can't be right.
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Let's do another one
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to figure it out.
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And it kept coming back that there was something there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it
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validated.
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It was from the breast tissue, not somewhere else kind of thing.
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Yeah.
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So then
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what's the next step?
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You know something's going on.
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Do you immediately go into like,
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okay, I got to start following ketosis or what's the next process of that journey?
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Yeah.
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So the way I looked at it, I had been doing a lot.
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I mean, we had moved to a different state
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so we could raise our own meat animals, kind of extreme a lot.
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And I was like, why did this
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happen, clearly something I'm doing is not right.
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And so to make sure I didn't have some kind of
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bias of what I had learned, I put everything on the table.
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And I'm like, okay, all this stuff I
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learned in Weston Price, like maybe I'm missing something.
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Maybe there's something to all this
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raw vegan stuff.
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Maybe I'm like, and so I started studying all of it from scratch.
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I actually went
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down to a cancer clinic in Mexico.
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They're doing Gerson as well as some other stuff.
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And
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And that's raw vegan, lots of juicing.
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And I had a lot of questions because it didn't really line up with what I had previously
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learned.
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And I was trying to really fully understand this because we're all ultimately the masters
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of our own health.
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And I kept asking questions and they didn't have answers.
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And by the third day down there, the director of the facility sat me down and was like,
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you know, I think you just need to trust in the process.
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and I was shocked because I felt like if I was doing alternative stuff that I would get more
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support and and that people would want to help me get thorough understanding and I'm like well I
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need answers to my questions and he um invited me to leave wow so wow yeah I just want to sit
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with that for a second the alternative therapy also let you down like because we normally hear
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that kind of mentality with, you know, the modern Western medicine.
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But yet, clearly, it's not just
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about is it alternative or modern?
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That's not that's not our basis of is this work or not?
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It's
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which of them is open to questions being asked to interrogation, which is open to a different
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perspective, right?
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And yeah, it wasn't.
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Yeah.
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No, it's it's it's really about like,
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which practitioner do you gel with that allows you to ask questions and take ownership of your
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health versus a lot of them, even in alternative healthcare.
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And this isn't always in standard of
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care, but a lot of them in alternative healthcare even are, do it my way.
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Here's what you're going
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to do.
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Go through the chute.
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And that's why a lot of people are stepping outside of standard of
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care is they want to understand, they want to own their health.
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And even in alternative healthcare,
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that's not always the most efficient way for them to work.
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So they don't allow it kind of a thing.
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Yeah.
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So after that, I felt like I was free falling and I was completely on my own trying
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to figure this out.
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And I was so blessed.
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A friend connected me with a functional practitioner
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and we started running the tests that I run now.
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And there was a lot off, James.
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I was shocked
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because I didn't have symptoms for a lot of these things.
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And so we started working on those
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and it just made so much sense.
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And I didn't understand why more people weren't doing this.
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And even now, 10 years later,
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most people are unaware of the ability that we have
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to run these tests because they're not covered by insurance
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and they're not part of our standard of care,
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but they're really getting to the root of what's going on.
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Well, and I would offer too,
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and I'm sure you agree with this,
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It's like, it's not just about running the test, but it's also about working with practitioners that read the tests in what I would say an effective way.
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Because I always say like, you know, everyone can buy jeans.
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Like there's anyone can buy jeans, but they all, they all fit differently.
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And you got to find the one that fits right for you.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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Yeah, a hundred percent.
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And there's a lot of people out there in the cancer world that can read the functional test, but they don't know how that relates in terms of cancer.
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Like a normal person, you know, you look at the test and iron or copper might be indicated.
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But with a cancer client, you would never want to give them those because it can, you know, fuel things up.
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Higher protein diets can stimulate those mTOR pathways.
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And, you know, so there's a lot of these things that are OK normally, but would actually be detrimental with the cancer.
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Now, actually, let's talk about that briefly, because you've mentioned that previously in other conversations about how iron is not ideal, but yet iron from food is OK.
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Can you explain that distinguishment?
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Yeah, so iron is a really tricky one.
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And in traditional oncology, I'm going to kind of back up for a second.
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They, a lot of times, just look at hemoglobin to look at and assume what the iron status
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is, which is not a very good way of testing things.
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It could be a lot of other things that they might be missing, but that's the cheap and
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easy on, you know, there's CBC and metabolic panel, which is all that oncologists rhyme,
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which is horrifying in and of itself.
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So looking at the total iron and the ferritin more specifically and digging in, you can
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see the pattern of what's going on with the iron.
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And a lot of times what may first appear like this pattern, like an iron deficiency or something
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may actually be like an anemia of chronic disease, which is super, super common in cancer
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where the iron levels go down and the ferritin levels go really high as an indicator of
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inflammation.
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And it's a sign, it's not a diagnosis, but it's a sign that things are getting worse
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with the cancer.
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And we don't want to exacerbate that by giving them iron.
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It would be like, you know, like pouring gasoline on a house fire.
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Like, it's just not a good idea.
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And oftentimes the doctors aren't aware of this pattern going on, but we can see it really
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easily.
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and this is where you know adding um whether it's a supplement or a lot of times i see oncologists
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wanting to give iron infusions after you know chemotherapies that have driven the iron levels
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down that's not going to fix it because that's not the problem and it would make it worse and
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i've seen that happen with clients that are working with other oncologists and such um and
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it's really really hard to manage when they start doing this kind of stuff but supplements you know
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iron in the food is different.
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So when you're talking about something like having some red meat,
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you know, we're not going to have too much protein and therefore it's limiting how much iron, but
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also, you know, organ meats and things can be fine because then the body has a chance to decide
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itself how much it's getting and you're not inundating it with extreme amounts of iron,
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like in an IV or something.
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It's almost like the food is more well-balanced and so it gives your
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body the room and the space to choose versus where supplements are more times than not
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an overabundance of sometimes even a synthetic vitamin or mineral that your body just is,
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like you said, inundated and doesn't know and overwhelmed by it.
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Yeah.
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And our center of care doesn't seem to, and even a lot of times natural folk don't seem
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to distinguish what you just said about the, is it synthetic?
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Is it natural?
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Like what form?
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You know, is it taken in this context of having enough stomach acid to absorb it?
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Like there's all these factors that need to be looked at in conjunction as well.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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So what did you change?
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I mean, I know talking to you previously, you focused on things like water intake and
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the type of water.
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Can you talk about some of the things that you did change in your life to get your cancer
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and remission?
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Yeah, I did a lot of diet changes.
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I did not go raw vegan.
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I went the other way.
24:44
And I went into a ketogenic diet because when I started looking into it, the science made a lot of sense.
24:50
And there was a lot of clinical evidence, as well as research showing that a ketogenic diet can really be helpful for cancer.
24:58
So I went super high fat, which was really outside my comfort zone, really low carbohydrate and moderate protein.
25:09
Things were already clean.
25:11
So that wasn't a huge change.
25:12
But there was a lot of other stuff.
25:14
I needed to clean up my microbiome.
25:16
I wasn't digesting things well.
25:18
So I was doing some supplementation there.
25:21
My hormones were really off.
25:23
I was super estrogen dominant.
25:25
So I did use some herbs to help with that.
25:28
and actually got things in range in like three months.
25:32
Making sure that I was reducing my stress,
25:34
clean up my sleep, hygiene, things like that.
25:38
One of the biggest ones though was the toxins.
25:41
I had moved into what I didn't know
25:45
was a very black mold ridden house
25:47
about eight months prior to the cancer diagnosis.
25:51
And in that same timeframe,
25:53
there was a crescendo to a very toxic relationship
25:57
that I was in.
25:58
So there's all these things like brewing and working against each other,
26:03
against me together with that.
26:07
Yeah, the mold, that's so interesting,
26:09
the toxins, the mold, like I'm just more and more hearing that.
26:13
And when people start sharing their
26:15
diagnoses, like it's interesting because it's not the first place most practitioners or doctors
26:22
look, but it tends to be when no one can figure it out, it tends to be the missing piece.
26:29
Yeah.
26:30
And the mold thing with cancer specifically just fascinates me, James.
26:34
So I, like at this
26:36
point, I only work with cancer clients and I always test them.
26:39
They don't get a choice about
26:40
the mold.
26:41
And I've only had two clients not have toxic levels of multiple mold strains.
26:46
Now, you know, these are known carcinogens in the research.
26:49
This is not like some, you know, out there up for debate kind of thing.
26:54
And it makes sense.
26:55
You know, most states in the real estate industry, you can't sell a house without disclosing
27:00
it.
27:01
Although the owners that we bought it from did not disclose it to us, although they did
27:05
know.
27:06
And it's just kind of crazy that when somebody has cancer, we look at these known carcinogens
27:13
and know in test teams.
27:14
so that the client goes, does their standard care, their chemo and everything, and then they come home
27:20
and just cross their fingers.
27:22
It's a simple pee test.
27:24
It's not hard.
27:25
It's not difficult.
27:26
It's not
27:26
even that costly.
27:28
And you can see, do we need to dig in and make sure that you're not like sitting
27:32
in the environment that grew the cancer in the first place?
27:36
I mean, it doesn't take a rocket
27:39
scientist to wonder like, hey, is it going to come back if they're still living in that same
27:43
environment?
27:44
Well, I think that word is key, right?
27:46
Environment.
27:47
And I know when Margaret had her
27:48
melanoma scare, that's really how we looked at it.
27:52
It's like, okay, it's the environment,
27:55
the internal environment, and to what you're saying, also the external environment that
27:59
really need to be looked at because it's just like if it's a weed, right?
28:02
You don't just pull
28:03
out the weed.
28:04
You have to change the environment that's encouraging the weed to grow, right?
28:08
exactly and you have to look at both you can't just look at one because uh i had uh warren
28:14
phillips on as a guest and he talked about this as well as like if you just focus on the outside
28:21
of your body but don't focus on well what toxins are already in my body then nothing changes
28:27
100 and in the inverse is true as well like if you just focus on the inside but don't change
28:33
the toxins you're getting from the outside, nothing changes.
28:36
So I love that.
28:40
Yeah, I want to take this a step farther, because along the lines of what you're saying,
28:44
you know, when a lot of clients come to me, they're doing this cleanse or that cleanse.
28:49
And I think most people at some point have, you know, bought some boxed kit or,
28:52
or something or done some process on the internet.
28:56
And that's fine, I guess.
28:58
But I think most of the
28:59
it's a big waste of money because they're not considering where the inflow is coming in.
29:07
And so like in the example of the mold, like I tell my clients, okay, we got these test results
29:11
back.
29:12
This is really helpful.
29:14
Don't start the mold protocol yet.
29:16
We have to figure out, is this
29:19
in your house and get that stopped?
29:21
Because if we just get it out of you and it's still coming in,
29:25
it's kind of a waste of money and it's a waste of your time.
29:28
And let's just be frank, your energy,
29:30
because these protocols aren't easy.
29:33
There are a lot of time, energy, and money, and we want to
29:36
make sure they're efficient.
29:38
So doing the testing, whether it's the mold or chemicals that might be
29:43
in your water, like testing to see, okay, I have X, Y, Z chemicals that I'm being exposed to.
29:49
Where
29:50
are they?
29:50
And doing the detective work then of, are they in my water?
29:54
Are they in my air?
29:55
Are they
29:56
coming into a food product or a toiletry product?
29:59
Where are they coming from before you try to get
30:01
them out?
30:02
You bring up such a good point.
30:03
And I'm wondering if you have an answer for this,
30:05
but what would you say are the top three myths that people think?
30:12
So they think they're being
30:13
healthy, but the myth is it actually, it's not moving the needle at all.
30:17
How would you answer
30:19
that question?
30:20
Yeah, I would say, oh, that's a really good one.
30:24
I mean, there's so many things
30:26
coming to mind.
30:26
I think the detoxes, whether, you know, the parasite cleanses and stuff like that,
30:33
a lot of times they need to focus on digestion, specifically stomach acid, and they're missing
30:38
that.
30:39
Because if you don't start from the northern spot where, you know, if you eat some, say, bad
30:44
lettuce or sushi or something that has parasites, if you have the right amount of stomach acid,
30:49
you just get a little extra protein in your meal.
30:51
You're not getting infested with parasites.
30:54
You know, so again, looking upstream is really important.
30:57
I would say that one's one.
30:59
A lot of
31:00
people are taking a lot of time and energy to change out their mascara and their dish soap
31:06
and things like that.
31:08
And it could be really good.
31:10
But when you get your chemical report of what
31:12
are issues for you, you can be really specific.
31:15
I need to find what has, you know, phthalates in it.
31:19
And that's what I need to dig into.
31:20
That's my issue.
31:21
I don't need to change everything today.
31:23
Let's get the biggest movers with it.
31:27
And then I think the mold is enormous.
31:31
Most people just
31:32
think they need to go on symptoms.
31:34
I'm like, I don't have any of this or that.
31:37
Blood sugar is
31:37
the same way.
31:38
They're like, I don't have any symptoms.
31:39
I'm like, please let me test your
31:41
hemoglobin UNC.
31:43
And inevitably, it's high.
31:45
And I'm like, there are issues.
31:47
Your insulin's like
31:48
at 12.
31:48
This is a problem.
31:50
And you're fasted.
31:51
That should not be that high.
31:53
And so a lot of it's just
31:55
a matter of they don't want to – they feel like – and this is a big thing is that they should
32:00
be able to trust their body and just use their intuition of what they should do.
32:05
And if I had
32:07
done that, I would be dead.
32:09
I needed those tests to show me what was really going on.
32:11
Do you think that's because you were, that just everyone needs to be, you know, testing
32:18
and then the question would be, well, how often?
32:21
Or, and, or do you think that
32:26
we're just out of touch?
32:28
Like we don't know how to read the signals.
32:30
We're not truly in
32:32
touch with our internal bodies and what's going on.
32:35
So how can you be in your body when you don't
32:38
even, when you're disconnected?
32:41
I think it's both.
32:42
A hundred percent.
32:44
Very, very strongly.
32:45
I feel
32:46
that it's both.
32:47
Yes, we need to be testing.
32:49
And I think at minimum, a very extensive blood panel
32:52
each year would be helpful, but I call them the whispers.
32:56
So your body is always giving you little
32:58
signals, whispers of what's going on.
33:00
And through my program, like that's where I want to connect,
33:04
what are you feeling with what did you have show up on your labs?
33:08
Because for me, when I had cancer,
33:10
I was, like I said, about a year out of having a baby.
33:13
I had some extra pounds.
33:15
A fifth baby, right?
33:16
Fifth baby, yes.
33:17
Fifth baby is key.
33:18
So, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
33:20
So fifth baby.
33:21
No, it's okay.
33:21
And you had some extra pounds.
33:23
I had some extra pounds, probably, you know, 25 pounds or so extra sitting on me.
33:28
I was tired, which easily could be attributed to night nursing.
33:33
And I was losing a little hair, but I didn't feel that bad.
33:38
And none of that anyone would even think twice about in terms of a new mom and such.
33:45
You'd be dismissed.
33:46
And our standard of care would dismiss that if I had gone into the doctor.
33:51
Like, yeah, exercise more, eat less, you know, kind of stuff.
33:55
and this is where I feel like, you know, the way we look at a doctor, we think they're going to
34:00
find what's wrong when we go in.
34:03
And I think people need to be educated that the doctor is
34:06
trained to diagnose.
34:08
So they're not going to look for something unless it's like a diagnosable,
34:12
it's that bad.
34:14
They're not looking for the precursors of let's head this off before it's
34:18
a problem or the very early signs.
34:21
They're not looking at the functional ranges on the labs
34:24
of where people are healthy, they're looking at where disease is already set in and then where
34:29
I can give you a pill.
34:31
If they can't give you a pill or something for it, they have no tools,
34:34
they're done.
34:35
Tap out.
34:36
And that's where we get told, you're fine and go home.
34:40
And so that whole
34:41
process leads to us not listening to our body, not trusting ourselves and maybe going to Google,
34:48
but not having a lot of alternatives.
34:51
Does the practitioner in you look back at your journey with seven kids?
34:58
And let's just, let's just pretend you can separate like loving mother.
35:02
I love my kids, yada, yada, you know, all that.
35:04
Let's just pretend we can separate from that.
35:06
Do you look back and go like maybe having so many kids so close to each other
35:12
is potentially can contribute to that environment?
35:17
Is there any kind of truth to that?
35:19
Because I've always been taught, well, always, I should say, since I got into cooking and health, that you really need, women need space in between kids.
35:30
And it's actually longer than what most people do.
35:33
So most people are doing like two, two and a half years in between, but that they need more like three and a half to four years to actually replenish themselves, that every child is taking parts of you, right?
35:46
Mm-hmm.
35:47
This is a really good question.
35:49
So I feel like I can objectively separate that.
35:53
Personally, I like them two years apart.
35:55
Like from a psychological, the kids get along kind of
35:59
the dynamics of the family better.
36:02
I do think that having seven kids that close together
36:05
in our society, the way we're taught to do things is too much.
36:10
And what I mean by that is I fully
36:12
believe that you can actually do it.
36:16
You just have to be more intentional.
36:18
And let me tell you why,
36:19
because if you look at my birth weights, this is fascinating because again, there's seven of them.
36:23
So you've got a lot of this.
36:25
And my last one was actually when I was 43, which is you're not
36:29
supposed to be having babies in that timeframe kind of thing.
36:31
And I would say by far, she is my
36:35
healthiest child, which should not be the case.
36:37
But I was eating, with her pregnancy, I was eating
36:40
liver pate.
36:41
I knew what to test and I was taking the right supplements.
36:47
I knew how to detox and
36:49
effectively, you know, while pregnant and I had done the work to get rid of the mold and stuff
36:54
before her pregnancy.
36:55
Like she had all the things going on that I didn't have with the previous six
37:00
kids.
37:01
And yet it wasn't like she was so far out.
37:04
She was three years out, which is a little more
37:06
than my others.
37:07
But I mean, seriously, she was almost 10 pounds and like off the charts in all
37:13
the areas.
37:14
So maybe it's less about the time in between focusing on that, but more about what
37:20
tools are you applying in between?
37:22
Exactly.
37:23
And I think this is a really beautiful thing where
37:27
super nourishing foods, especially organ meats and the labs can come together and give us direction
37:34
and intentionality because, you know, just to be frank, you don't know what you don't know,
37:38
and the labs can help you see those blind spots.
37:40
So I'd love you to mention the programs you did,
37:42
because I think that will be fascinating.
37:44
You already mentioned that you did the nutritional
37:46
therapy practitioner program, right?
37:48
Yes.
37:49
And then talk about the program you did after,
37:51
and then you also did Naysha Winter's program.
37:53
So can you just briefly mention those just
37:56
in case anyone listening is like, oh, I want to go down this path because I speak about these paths,
38:02
but everyone thinks I'm biased because Margaret is, you know, runs one of them.
38:07
But I have seen
38:08
the difference.
38:09
I saw the difference before she did the program and then after.
38:13
And it's to me,
38:15
it's like someone who kind of helps with health versus someone who's a miracle worker.
38:23
Yeah, yeah.
38:24
So the Nutritional Therapy Association was my base foundation with nutrition.
38:29
and you can do a lot with that, but you're flying blind in my opinion.
38:35
Institute of Restorative Health is what Margaret runs.
38:38
And I knew before I even did Nutritional Therapy Association
38:42
that I wanted to do the lab testing.
38:45
And I, you know, I had already kind of picked it out ahead of time
38:48
because I had had the lab testing change my life.
38:51
I wanted to do that.
38:53
And it was, it was like you said, it changed my life as a person,
38:57
not just as a practitioner.
39:00
with what I could see and understand and how to correlate all the different labs.
39:04
And I've done a lot of other programs because I like to kind of hear from lots of voices,
39:10
just, you know, that's who I am as a person.
39:12
And, you know, a lot of them are just focused on interpret the lab.
39:17
And what Institute of Restorative Health is really phenomenal at is really,
39:22
okay, what do you do with that?
39:24
What does that mean for the protocol?
39:26
Let's not just give them a generic one-size-fits-all protocol.
39:29
Let's tailor it to them.
39:31
And then even further, okay, now they're doing the protocol.
39:34
How do we deal with issues that come up?
39:37
Because root cause work is never super linear.
39:39
It's always got some little bumps and like tailoring moments to the client.
39:44
And usually that's completely left out of, I've never seen that in another course.
39:50
And then I did, like you said, Dr. Naysha Winter's training,
39:54
which they're kind of restructuring right now and such.
39:57
But I went through her practitioner training
40:00
and that assumed that I had all the stuff I had before and then just layered on the
40:05
cancer layer, which was where I wanted to dive in further.
40:11
So you currently focus on helping women with cancer discover why they have cancer so they
40:17
can learn how to live without fear.
40:20
What was the why you discovered in your own path?
40:24
Oh, yeah.
40:25
Yeah.
40:26
So that's actually my guarantee.
40:27
I guarantee that my clients will know,
40:30
they'll have a list, a printout.
40:31
These are the things that cause my cancer.
40:34
So we go through
40:34
10 areas.
40:36
And I'm just going to pick up the ones, like you said, for me.
40:39
So in the metabolic area,
40:41
I was super insulin resistant, super defensive about this one, because I was like, I'm eating
40:46
only healthy carbs, you know, spaghetti squash and honey and things.
40:51
And I still was able to be
40:53
very insulin resistant there.
40:56
Turns out I have some genetic predispositions that were not making
40:59
that easy.
41:01
The mental emotional well being bucket, I mentioned I had a very toxic relationship
41:06
that was crescendoing and such.
41:09
Microbiome balance, I was not digesting things well,
41:13
I was like, oh, I had no stomach acid.
41:16
And I had some fun parasites as a result.
41:20
I was very inflamed.
41:21
That's another one of the buckets.
41:24
And in particular, my homocysteine,
41:27
my methylation was really off.
41:29
Again, no signs of that.
41:32
My hormone balance bucket,
41:34
I was super estrogen dominant, very high estrogen and low progesterone, which I corrected with herbs.
41:41
stress and circadian rhythm were actually not my weakest weakest spots and then the toxin load I
41:49
had the molds I also had a couple heavy metals and chemicals that I had been exposed to that
41:54
at high levels you know once you get one thing one toxin going and you're not able to detoxify
42:01
it just opens the door for more to build up and everything immune modulation I actually was doing
42:06
really well in.
42:07
I didn't have any autoimmune or viral components at the time.
42:11
And then
42:12
angiogenesis metastasis.
42:14
There weren't any metastasis, meaning tumors in other places,
42:18
but I did have some high copper and pseudoplasmin that were showing that my body was being told to
42:27
make more blood vessels to the tumor to get it more of its preferred fuel source and everything.
42:33
and then genetics I'm a hot mess I've got like bad detox genes the blood sugar regulators
42:39
I don't make fat soluble vitamins very well methylation's a mess so you know all these
42:46
areas were really important for me not as like oh no now I'm gonna just be you know forlorn the
42:53
rest of my life it was knowing these these genes epigenetically I can really be empowered and make
43:00
good lifestyle choices and know specifically where to monitor and where to fine tune.
43:08
Oh, and I did have some low vitamin D. I forgot that one.
43:12
Okay.
43:12
So just this kind of pull it all together.
43:16
So what we're really talking about here is that
43:19
even when you think you're doing the right thing, all the right things, that there could still be
43:26
underlying conditions that are supporting the environment for cancer cells.
43:32
And that testing is really something you really need to do, you know, regularly to support
43:41
awareness of what's going on internally, assuming that we don't always know.
43:49
Even though you may think you know, you don't always know because you can look really great
43:53
on the outside, but there could be a completely different truth on the inside.
43:58
My vitamin D levels are a really good example of that, James.
44:01
So when I had cancer, they were
44:04
super low.
44:04
I had been taking vitamin D because you're supposed to take vitamin D, especially
44:09
with pregnancies and things.
44:11
I've been taking it for years, you know, cod liver oil, all this stuff.
44:15
And I had never tested.
44:17
And it took me five different therapeutic grade brands to find
44:22
one that would move my vitamin D level because like I mentioned genetically, I really have a
44:27
problem converting and creating vitamin D levels.
44:31
Now that I've gotten it up, I do really well
44:35
with it, but I'm intentional.
44:37
I know how to check it.
44:38
I actually just checked it again this week.
44:40
It's doing great, but I would never have known because I hadn't tested.
44:46
You bring up such, that is such a good point.
44:49
Because the same thing happened to Margaret and I, actually.
44:54
Even when we were living in Southern California, sunny Southern California, we were taking, we had low vitamin D, we were taking one supplement grade vitamin D, and our levels were still low.
45:07
and then we finally found one that our bodies registered with.
45:10
And I think this important point you're making is that we are being taught
45:15
and we assume that all these vitamins and minerals are the same.
45:19
Just take vitamin D, just take iron, just take potassium, whatever it is,
45:24
that they all operate in the same way that our bodies receive them in this way,
45:28
and it's just not true.
45:30
Not only is the, as we mentioned earlier, whether it's synthetic or natural,
45:35
the form it's in matter, sometimes the formulation.
45:39
So how much the different, how the different
45:41
companies like, um, support the vitamin mineral, how they preserve it, all that kind of stuff.
45:47
And so the only way to know the difference is to test, right?
45:53
A hundred percent.
45:53
Yeah.
45:54
It's crazy.
45:54
Yeah.
45:55
To your point, like I'm from Phoenix.
45:57
So,
45:57
you know, right up until we had moved and with the cancer diagnosis, I was living in Phoenix.
46:03
Now I live in Idaho where I get far less sun exposure.
46:06
And here's the interesting thing.
46:07
And I'd love someone to do research on this if someone's interested.
46:11
I could never get any color in my skin growing up.
46:16
Now, after I've gotten my vitamin D levels up, I can get tan just very, very easily.
46:23
No sunscreen and such, of course.
46:24
But it's very interesting to me that shift.
46:27
And I don't know how much that vitamin D plays into it.
46:31
but there seems to be a very strong connection with me.
46:35
I don't burn anymore.
46:36
I just get tan, which is what I always wanted.
46:39
So you got to test those vitamin D levels.
46:42
They're very tricky.
46:43
That's fascinating.
46:44
I know that I've heard some people talk about
46:47
or experience that when they're eating like vegetable oils
46:52
that have been fried or kind of rancid vegetables,
46:55
that they get sunburned more easily.
46:58
So I've heard that as well,
46:59
but that could be either a deficiency or, or a sufficiency somewhere.
47:02
I don't know, or an over sufficiency.
47:04
Wow.
47:06
This has been such a cool and enlightening conversation.
47:10
I want to just delve briefly cause I know about it,
47:13
but I want everyone else to hear about it.
47:14
Talk to us about the water changes you made because you did some really
47:18
interesting research.
47:19
You tried some different things.
47:22
And I personally am really fascinated with water quality.
47:25
So could you talk about some of the things you learned?
47:29
Oh, yeah.
47:32
And jump in if you want to direct, if there's something specific you wanted.
47:35
So the water, the water is a big deal.
47:38
A lot of people, you know, we're drinking city water and everything.
47:42
And that's where having those chemical testing, you can see what's in your water, or what's in your body, and then test to see if it's in your water.
47:50
and unfortunately this this hopefully will get fixed in a couple years we don't even have a test
47:56
to test everything in our water that we can test in our bodies so it gets kind of tricky to figure
48:01
it out so um i was on well water and there's a lot of you know my my water was perfect it was
48:09
gorgeous um i i wish everyone could have the water that i had when i was cancering but we also i did
48:17
some more research into Dr. Thomas Cowan's work in terms of structuring the water and working on
48:24
that because there's a lot of really interesting connections with the fourth phase of water,
48:30
the gel phase that it has been, I won't say discovered because it was always there, but
48:37
talked about more and researched and such that I think we're missing out on.
48:43
And this is where,
48:44
you know when we talk about the juicing with cancer there can be a benefit because all that
48:50
juice is going to have structured water in it but you're also getting this huge sugar bomb
48:56
and you're taking all the good fiber to feed your microbiome out of it so I never recommend juicing
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but I do want that structured water for my clients and then to take it farther the deuterium
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depleted water because there's a lot of research showing that's very helpful with cancer
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and one of the best ways to make that is um well i i it was just such a beautiful thing i ran to
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the the scientist that was creating these magnetic bed pads um not grounding um with the the plugs
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and you know mats and stuff but it was magnetic and that can recharge because it's sending the
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negative ions up into you when you're sleeping and this is going really far down the rabbit hole
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But to me, it all of a sudden started making sense that when you're in certain energy fields, you know, this ties in with the EMS and the structured water and the processing of our food.
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And it's sometimes hard to deal with, but it makes a really big difference that, you know, we're 70% water.
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And if the water inside of us is not structured, it doesn't work right.
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And this is where there's a lot of connections with cancer and such, as well as the other stuff.
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Again, it's never one thing.
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It's a lot of them.
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And is Kagan water, am I saying that right?
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Is the Kagan water apply in any of these ways?
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You know, I'm not familiar with offhand with that one.
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There's a lot of models out there.
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I'd be surprised if it didn't have a structural component.
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The hydrogen water is amazing because you're getting extra antioxidants.
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The structured water, the what I don't recommend is the alkaline water because so many people
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will then drink it and mess with their stomach pH, especially if they're drinking it with the meal.
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And that is, I mean, that's when most people drink the majority of their water.
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And that's
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like the worst thing you could do for your digestion.
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Because you need the acidic environment,
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as you said earlier, the hydrochloric acid, you need that to support digestion and safety of
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pathogens and whatnot.
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So that's a really great example where people are chasing after the stuff
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they hear about on the internet, they're drinking alkaline water, they're taking these minerals and
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stuff and eating nutrient-dense, organic, wonderful food.
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And they literally, because their stomach
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acid level isn't low enough, the pH isn't low enough, they're not going to be able to absorb
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and get those minerals.
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And so they think they have it because they swallowed it, but they're
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not actually getting it into the system and it's not going to make any change.
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And this is where,
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again, the testing can just give us that feedback of like, am I hitting the mark?
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Am I missing
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something?
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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Last question.
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You mentioned when you went to that first
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kind of alternative therapy group in Mexico, you mentioned that they said,
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just trust in the system, like just trust in the process, which is in a certain way is a way to say
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like, just have faith, right?
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How has faith played into this process?
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Because I know when people do
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get cancer diagnosis or anything that feels kind of life-threatening, whether it's going to jail,
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anything like they, a lot of people do turn to faith then because they, they suddenly are aware
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that they don't have all the answers.
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Um, how did faith play into your process?
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I love this question.
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I think this is a really, really huge one.
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And it, it, a lot of times will
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tie into dealing with the trauma.
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Um, but so for me, I think it was like leaning in on Jesus that
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really helped me through the whole thing.
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I feel like a lot of the niggling, uncomfortable,
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like I'm asking questions, even at that cancer clinic, was that, you know, that Holy Spirit in
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the background saying, hey, ask some more questions.
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This isn't the right fit for you
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kind of thing.
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And it wasn't that I didn't have faith, it I didn't have faith in them.
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And it's interesting because when I got home, you know, I'm praying a lot.
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And I started,
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I did juice cleanse of all things and then then found the the functional medicine work.
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And I
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after the functional medicine stuff, I got all the testing like, I got this, I am cool.
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I am doing all
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the right things.
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I know all the stuff like I was very confident in me, if you will, and the testing,
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which I don't get any wrong, the testing is very important.
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My implementation of it was very
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important.
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But I was a little cocky, if you will.
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And I was invited to go to a women's conference
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retreat.
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And I was like, no, they're going to eat crappy food and drink bad water and being a snob.
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And I just kept feeling like I needed to go.
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And I did.
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And this is where it gets weird.
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So I,
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the whole time, every breakout session, and this was not a marriage conference.
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This was not a,
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like a cancer conference.
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This was just generic women's.
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Every breakout session, I felt in my
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heart that I needed to go home and be with my husband that Sunday night.
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And I'm wrestling
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with God and like, this is weird.
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Like, who does God tell to have sex with when like this is
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strange?
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Oh, and God, by the way, I have cancer.
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And by the way, like, I just did a hormone test.
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And I know what time of the month that is.
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That's not a good idea.
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And like, I'm freaking out.
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And,
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you know, long story short, I did.
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And that's actually when they got pregnant with number six.
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So I chose to get pregnant in faith, stepping out, not knowing if I would actually get pregnant,
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not knowing what I would do and the whole process.
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So I get very sick, like I mentioned.
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I couldn't eat all my good food.
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I couldn't take all my supplements.
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A lot of them I could, but not all of them.
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And there's some really interesting stuff to dive into here that I still haven't teased
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all of it out.
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But I got very, very anemic, very, very, I believe I was in a very ketogenic state because
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I couldn't eat a whole lot.
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But a month before the baby came, the tumor was gone.
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And this is, you know, it's in my breast.
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It's right there near the surface.
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It was a golf ball.
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It was not hard to miss.
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And it was completely gone.
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And I talked to, you know, several cancer specialists in the alternative space.
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and they've said that they've seen this, that cancer can be reversed and put in remission
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with pregnancy.
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You know, pregnancy is a very detoxifying period for the woman.
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The body does a lot of really interesting things.
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I'm not trying to figure it out.
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I just know that
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the faith played into it, leading me to the different people that I needed to talk to,
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the different promptings and everything.
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It was a big deal.
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But not everyone, I don't recommend
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my clients get pregnant.
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This is not something that I put out there a whole lot, but leaning in
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on where God would have you take this and what he wants you to learn from it is a big deal.
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This was, you know, I was not ever planning on being a practitioner.
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This was a heavy field.
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This is not happy joy joy.
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This is like heavy dealing with this.
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And, you know, but this is
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where he wanted me.
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And I'm so glad I listened.
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Every step of the way has been a good thing.
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And now I look back and I'm like, this whole journey has been for my growth and my benefit.
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And now I get to share that with everybody else, which brings even more joy to me.
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And you can see
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it's still an emotional thing because it's such a blessing.
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And I feel like a lot of
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cancer clients, you know, miss this, whether it's a diagnosis of, you know, cancer or a car accident
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or, you know, autoimmune condition or something like there's always a learning piece and a growth
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piece that we can take away from it if we can, you know, get over ourselves, so to speak.
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And I
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don't, I don't say that lightly or to dismiss the pain of going through it or the frustration,
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but the way I look at it like if I'm going to go through that stuff I want something good to come
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out of it I don't want to miss that and I just hope that anyone hearing this would would be able
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to dig into and feel into like what what can I get that's good from this that's beautiful Katrina
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Thank you for sharing that.
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You're really bringing it home that we talked about how this knowing, do we know what's going on inside us?
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Do we have an instinct?
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But I think what you just shared brought home that sometimes it's not about the knowing, it's about the surrender.
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Yeah.
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And that we sometimes confuse the two, that we don't necessarily need to feel inward.
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What we need to do is just turn our gaze inward, listen, and then release or follow or, you know, listen and then respond.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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And I think that it's like you said, it's a combination of both.
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And I feel like a lot of times people want to do one or the other.
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It's just pure intuition or it's just pure testing.
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And I think having both because we can gives you the ideal amount of like validation and guidance.
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And you do have to surrender and you do have to do your work.
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And it's all of it.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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True final question.
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I ask this of everyone these days.
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If you could wave a magic wand and bring back one ancestral practice, what would it be?
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Oh.
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Hmm.
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That's a great question.
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I think I would just get rid of like the food subsidies and the chemicals and clean up our food supply.
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um get rid of the the crappy oils and the processing such um i think that would probably
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make the biggest impact for sure nice thank you so much for being on our podcast how can people
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that want to work with you find you do you do you work one-on-one with people or is it groups can
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you just share kind of what does it look like for someone to reach out and work with katrina
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So I do one on one work.
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I do group work, all of it.
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My website is cancer freedom.com.
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You can apply and you can find out more information about the program and everything there.
1:00:04
Lots of resources, ebooks and things and I can give you the link to get the free ebook James for your people.
1:00:11
I'm also on Instagram.
1:00:12
It's just my name at Katrina foe and YouTube is at cancer freedom.
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Awesome.
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Thank you.
1:00:19
And I'm just so grateful that you shared your journey.
1:00:23
And I'm glad that you found your why, because I think you are truly supporting and helping others.
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And you wouldn't be in this place had you not gone on this journey.
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So I'm so grateful that you listened.
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And you said yes to what you heard.
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Thank you, James.
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It's been a pleasure getting to talk with you, as always.
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and thank you all for participating
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I don't know
1:00:52
there's not much to say
1:00:54
this was such a touching episode for me
1:00:58
I just wish everyone
1:01:01
as I always say at the end of these episodes
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just stay curious
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the answers are not black and white
1:01:07
they're somewhere in the middle
1:01:08
and if we don't have that curiosity
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we will not get to the truth
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the truth is somewhere in the gray area
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so please stay curious
1:01:17
and be good to each other.
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