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HOT TAM-ALE | RHOC Recap with Alexis Janssen · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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  Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey,
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  Speaker 1: and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and
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  Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in
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  Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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  Speaker 1: scripted as well.
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  Speaker 2: Raindrops.
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  Speaker 1: Alexis and Carlos are back for another recap of the
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Orange County. Alexis, I mean, look, the
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  Speaker 1: past two episodes, you graced us with your presence, right?
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  Speaker 2: My meltdown, you can say that.
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  Speaker 3: How about your mother down, okay? You are giving mother, honey.
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  Speaker 3: So not a meltdown, honey, a mother down.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So your name was mentioned in this episode.
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  Speaker 2: I literally was watching it like, what?
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  Speaker 4: Well, so was I.
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  Speaker 2: What in the world is happening here?
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  Speaker 4: If Andy Cohen would have had Watch What Happens Live
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  Speaker 4: however many times Alexis gets mentioned, take a sip, everybody
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  Speaker 4: watching would.
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  Speaker 5: Have been freaking drunk as heck.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay. And the other funny part to that
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  Speaker 4: is Janet last episode says, keep my name out your mouth, Alexis,
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  Speaker 4: as I'm walking away and I tell her, fuck off, bitch.
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  Speaker 4: And then... She mentioned my name. I don't even know
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  Speaker 4: how many times, but if you can just see, she's
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  Speaker 4: actually like projecting what she needs to stop doing.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, girl, you.
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  Speaker 5: Got to move on.
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  Speaker 1: Move on.
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  Speaker 4: I'm married to the man for over a year now.
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  Speaker 2: Like, move on. Celebrating her anniversary.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing is, it makes me laugh because you
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  Speaker 1: could tell it's all projection because.
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  Speaker 2: You're not even on the show. And it's so.
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  Speaker 1: I have an out-of-body experience every time I hear your
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  Speaker 1: name drop because I'm waiting for you to walk in
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  Speaker 1: the room.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, is she?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, fuck.
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  Speaker 2: She's not on the show this season. So are they
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  Speaker 2: talking about her again?
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  Speaker 4: Let's be fair. We don't talk before the episodes, you know,
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  Speaker 4: before we podcast. But however, if I was going to
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  Speaker 4: make an appearance, I would have like called or texted
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  Speaker 4: and be like, hey, Carlos, I'm going to be on
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  Speaker 4: this episode or whatever. I would have let you at
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  Speaker 4: least know that. But like, no, anytime they bring up
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  Speaker 4: my name from here on out is just, They're just talking.
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  Speaker 4: It's just going to be talking. There won't be any
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  Speaker 4: Alexis walking in.
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  Speaker 1: Well, listen, a girl can dream and anything is possible.
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  Speaker 1: It's what I've learned in the game of reality television.
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  Speaker 2: Because who would have.
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  Speaker 1: Thought Kara Radswell would be back on New York City Housewives?
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  Speaker 1: And it's so pleasing to my eyes and ears.
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  Speaker 2: So, with that being said, okay. We have to get
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  Speaker 2: into this episode. Alexis. I....
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, it was a good episode. It's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: deep breaths, but it was a good episode.
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  Speaker 1: Alexis, so good. Also so emotional. Listen, Tamara's back, and
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  Speaker 1: let's just get into it. So they're in Japan, and
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  Speaker 1: the thing about this recap, which is so interesting... there
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  Speaker 1: were two things happening throughout this whole episode. So I
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  Speaker 1: feel like there's no need for us to go from
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  Speaker 1: scene to scene. I want this to be us talking about,
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  Speaker 1: of course, what happened, but just going down the rundown
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  Speaker 1: of the relationship. So look, Shannon is with the girls
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  Speaker 1: and she's being told that while Vicky was in the
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  Speaker 1: car with the other women, Vicky did not say That
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  Speaker 1: Shannon and her were best friends. Vicky said that her
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  Speaker 1: best friend is someone she's known for years.
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  Speaker 2: She says, I'm close. They ask, are y'all close?
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  Speaker 1: She says, I'm close to Shannon. We're not enemies. Shannon
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  Speaker 1: is trying to defend her friendship with Vicky. As she
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  Speaker 1: mentions you. Hugging Vicky. And.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the girls took that opportunity to talk about
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  Speaker 1: Vicky's loyalty to her. Shanna says, I'm very loyal. I've
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  Speaker 1: known Vicky for 12 years. And when Vicky is down bad,
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  Speaker 1: she's down. So what do you think about all of
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  Speaker 1: that in terms of why can't Vicky hug you and
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  Speaker 1: still be friends with Shanna? That's the part I'm not
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  Speaker 1: quite understanding.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's like when I was talking about the Heather
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  Speaker 4: DeBrove at all, where she's like, I can't go to
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  Speaker 4: the wedding. At least Vicky has a backbone. And that's
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  Speaker 4: why she's not, you know, feckless. Because Vicky can be like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm friends with both people. And sorry, Shannon, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And I like that Jim Pedrante showed that also this
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  Speaker 4: episode and last episode. It's like, we are 50 plus
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  Speaker 4: year old women. We don't need to be choosing lanes.
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  Speaker 4: Because if you do that in Orange County, it's too small.
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  Speaker 4: And there's too many people you're going to have to
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  Speaker 4: X out from all the divorcees and all the things
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  Speaker 4: that are happening in Newport Beach.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: But, or all of OC, but I felt like, first
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  Speaker 4: of all, I've known Vicky for 16 years.
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  Speaker 5: So I went in that one.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And Vicky and I have been friends. We were there
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  Speaker 4: through divorces together. We were like, you know, like, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know. We are friends and we know we can
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  Speaker 4: call each other. And we had a little tiff on
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  Speaker 4: season 18 because she was defending Shannon too much and
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  Speaker 4: didn't know the whole story. But then you see how
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  Speaker 4: Vicky gets over things. The one thing about Vicky is, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: she says some hurtful things. I think she's noticing that
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  Speaker 4: more this season. But she doesn't hold grudges. She kind
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  Speaker 4: of is like, okay, well, move on.
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  Speaker 5: Let's move on. Can't we get over that?
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  Speaker 4: So I appreciate that because I think you should be
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  Speaker 4: able to move on at this age, especially if you've
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  Speaker 4: said I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't know. That's my two cents. Did any
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  Speaker 5: of it make sense?
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  Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: It all makes sense. It all makes sense. It all
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  Speaker 2: makes sense. The thing that is happening to me.
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  Speaker 1: As I'm watching this episode is I do feel like
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  Speaker 1: the other women are trying to poke holes at Vicky's friendships.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's purposeful.
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  Speaker 4: OK, so I was going to ask you this. I
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  Speaker 4: had the same thought. Do you feel like you know
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  Speaker 4: how they're kind of going after Heather at the beginning
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  Speaker 4: of the season?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: And now I feel like it's just constantly Vicky.
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  Speaker 4: And I think what viewers don't know and the list
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  Speaker 4: aren't the raindrops to consider this is they don't they've
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  Speaker 4: never filmed. But you do get kind of beat down
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  Speaker 4: and sick of people kind of poking at you. You
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  Speaker 4: take it because you know everyone has to take one
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  Speaker 4: for the team for the episodes to be good.
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  Speaker 5: It's going to go around.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to be, you know, Emily this week. Then
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  Speaker 4: it's going to be Heather this week or this couple weeks.
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  Speaker 4: And then it's going to be– it's on Vicky right now.
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  Speaker 4: And I think Vicky is just over it. And she's
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  Speaker 4: just kind of like, okay, can it be anyone else?
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  Speaker 4: Can anyone else please take a little bit of the
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  Speaker 4: brunt of it? And some of the things they're poking
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  Speaker 4: at her about, I'm kind of like– I think they're silly.
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  Speaker 4: Not the Tamara one. Her and Tamara needed to have
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  Speaker 4: that out and have that– hash that thing out. But
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  Speaker 4: some of it, I'm just like, okay, get off of her.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think this is what's happening, right?
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  Speaker 1: I do agree with you that, yes, there is clearly
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  Speaker 1: an agenda to poke holes at Vicky's friendships with Shannon
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  Speaker 1: and Tamara.
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  Speaker 2: That's obvious.
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  Speaker 1: And you are right when you say at the top
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  Speaker 1: of the season, the focus was Heather, right? Like how
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  Speaker 1: Heather is duplicitous, two-faced, a phony baloney.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, all the things that, you know, I see
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  Speaker 1: when I look at Heather Dubrow. The girls are now
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  Speaker 1: talking about it. And she did.
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  Speaker 2: One thing that I told you I gave her credit for.
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  Speaker 2: She owned it. She said, Carmella, I said some shitty
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  Speaker 2: things about you. It wasn't nice. I'm sorry. And Carmella
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  Speaker 2: had no choice but to be like, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Vicky, unfortunately, the reason why she's an easy target, Vicky
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  Speaker 1: doesn't own anything and... Listen, you can say maybe she
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  Speaker 1: doesn't remember or she doesn't give a shit.
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  Speaker 2: Like she said it and it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: But I think the reason why she's an easier target
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  Speaker 1: than a Heather is because she does have this tendency
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  Speaker 1: to say things that are not nice. And when confronted...
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  Speaker 1: She doesn't even want to talk about it. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's the difference between her and Heather.
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  Speaker 4: You're right. You're right.
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  Speaker 5: But here's the other.
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  Speaker 4: OK, the other thing to think about with that is
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  Speaker 4: Heather never would have owned that if it hadn't been
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  Speaker 4: done on TV or like there. So it never would
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  Speaker 4: have been owned. So let's not give too much credit
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  Speaker 4: to that. OK. Yes, she did finally own it because
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  Speaker 4: she knew that she would have to for viewers to
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  Speaker 4: understand and be like, oh, she's great and all this.
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  Speaker 4: But but still, she didn't do it except for the
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  Speaker 4: fact that she knew all the other women were talking
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  Speaker 4: about it in scene. So it has to be addressed.
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  Speaker 4: But with Vicky, you are absolutely right. And I do
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  Speaker 4: have to, I'm objective where you have to be objective
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  Speaker 4: and she doesn't own it. And I think that's what
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  Speaker 4: Jen Padrante was saying. She's like, just own that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: what you've said, and then we can move on. We
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  Speaker 4: can all put it, because that is part of the
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  Speaker 4: thing about this is we all do say things we
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  Speaker 4: want to stick our foot in our mouth about or
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  Speaker 4: whatever when we're filming. But if you don't own it
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  Speaker 4: and you kind of sweep it under the rug, That's
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  Speaker 4: why Vicky is getting the pushback.
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  Speaker 5: So you're right about that.
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  Speaker 4: I think that if she would just, but to her defense,
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  Speaker 4: her producer or her sidekick on her podcast, Christian, has
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  Speaker 4: admitted to me, he's very close with her. They work
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  Speaker 4: every day together.
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  Speaker 5: He even admitted to me way back when, when I
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  Speaker 5: was doing her pod, he's like, Lex.
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  Speaker 4: Vicki literally doesn't even, she'll say something. She doesn't think it's,
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  Speaker 4: she takes things so lightly. It's not like deep, deep, deep.
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  Speaker 4: It's just, it's just, we're here to talk about, we're
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  Speaker 4: here to film a podcast. We're doing, we're here to
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  Speaker 4: film a TV show, whatever we're filming. So in my mind,
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  Speaker 4: knowing Vicki's heart, I don't feel like she does things
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  Speaker 4: with malice in her mind.
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  Speaker 5: I think she's... You know what malice means? Or why
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  Speaker 5: did you.
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  Speaker 2: No, I disagree with you. Oh, okay. Tell me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think everything she does is with malice, but
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  Speaker 1: I definitely think she does things.
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  Speaker 2: With malice intent for sure. Wow. I think.
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  Speaker 1: I think telling Carmella that you should be home with
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  Speaker 1: your 15-year-old daughter because my grandson is 14 and my
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  Speaker 1: daughter would never do that, I think that's intentionally being
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  Speaker 1: malicious and mom-shaming. Now, do I think saying something flippant like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not... I'm not enemies with Shannon.
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  Speaker 2: I'm close.
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  Speaker 1: I think something that small is malicious. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: she looks at Shannon as her best friend. She looks
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  Speaker 1: at Shannon as a great coworker. That if they had
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  Speaker 1: a cubicle, they're cubicle sisters.
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  Speaker 4: I completely felt that too. And I think Vicky, Vicky is.
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  Speaker 5: A guarded person.
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  Speaker 4: So I think Vicky just had her guard up and
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  Speaker 4: just does have her guard up knowing on this TV show,
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  Speaker 4: that people do kind of throw each other under the
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  Speaker 4: bus sometimes and then have to apologize. So I think
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  Speaker 4: Vicky's just very guarded. I don't think it's, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I wonder, I wonder like if we could ever ask Vicky,
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  Speaker 4: like how much she talks to Shannon when they're not
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  Speaker 4: filming or the two years that, you know, or six
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  Speaker 4: years that Vicky was off the show, how close were
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  Speaker 4: her and Shannon? I mean, I would, I would love
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  Speaker 4: to know that.
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  Speaker 1: I've never- Yeah, well, I think, I think she sort
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  Speaker 1: of intimated it when she said, we don't talk every day.
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  Speaker 4: Um- Oh, but then Shannon goes, oh, we almost do.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like, okay, which one's the truth?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's Shannon's bubble that she resides in
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  Speaker 1: on the streets between delusional and unhappy. I think she
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  Speaker 1: looks at it like we are friends, but Shannon is
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  Speaker 1: only a friend to people when she's in need of them.
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  Speaker 2: When she has need for you, she's friends with you.
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  Speaker 1: I think Shannon has picked up the phone more when
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  Speaker 1: Vicky joined the cast because she's able to have somebody.
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  Speaker 2: You know, in her corner.
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  Speaker 1: The thing with Tamra, when Tamra was off the show
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  Speaker 1: for two years, Shannon, I'm sorry, Tamra said on my
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  Speaker 1: podcast to, you know, when she was fired.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Can you believe that Shannon has not called me? And
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  Speaker 1: we talked every single day. That let me know everything
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  Speaker 1: I need to know. So I think two things can
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  Speaker 1: be true. I definitely think when it comes to Vicky
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  Speaker 1: looking at Shannon, I don't think she looks at her
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  Speaker 1: as her best friend. And I would be more surprised
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  Speaker 1: if she did say we're best friends because I would
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  Speaker 1: just be like, no, you're not.
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  Speaker 2: And I think of her defense. They're not best friends.
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  Speaker 1: I think Shannon's, Shannon does it, in my opinion, live
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  Speaker 1: in the real world.
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  Speaker 2: She lives in the world of Housewives of Orange County.
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  Speaker 1: And in Shannon's reality of Orange County on Bravo every
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  Speaker 1: Thursday at 8 o'clock and then Fridays on Peacock, I
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  Speaker 1: think Shannon believes that Vicky's her best friend because that's
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  Speaker 1: the world in which she thrives.
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  Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and you put me in a no-win situation, so
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to plead the fifth and just.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all good.
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  Speaker 6: All good.
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  Speaker 2: All good. All good.
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  Speaker 6: All good.
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  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 2: I will say this. And I do want production to
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  Speaker 2: really take heed to this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm over this game of telephone. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Keep going.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I got to be honest with you. I'm
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  Speaker 1: over this. If you really sit with Alexis... The drama
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  Speaker 1: that's happening on all of these shows, especially Housewives, but
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  Speaker 1: let's stick to OC for the sake of this conversation
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  Speaker 1: and recap. The drama is courtesy of where she said
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  Speaker 1: this about.
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  Speaker 2: You when you weren't around. Well, no, she actually said
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  Speaker 2: this about you.
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  Speaker 1: Are you going to confront her? Well, you know, off camera,
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  Speaker 1: you said this. And that's not the show I want
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  Speaker 1: to watch. And it's interesting to have it every once
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  Speaker 1: in a while. But if you really focus singularly on
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  Speaker 1: this season, Alexis... The biggest drama, right, has been the
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  Speaker 1: game of telephone.
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  Speaker 4: You are so right.
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  Speaker 5: And I never looked at it like that.
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  Speaker 4: You're so right. And it's almost like, you know, you
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  Speaker 4: can play that game at your dinner table when, you know,
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  Speaker 4: when you're trying to keep your little four-year-olds at bay.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I had four, four, and five.
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  Speaker 4: When you're trying to keep them at bay while we're
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  Speaker 4: having dinner, you know, okay, let's pass around and we're
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  Speaker 4: all laughing. It's like, you can do that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: for a little bit and then that game burns out.
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  Speaker 4: So you're right.
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  Speaker 5: It's burnt.
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  Speaker 4: It's burnt. It's charred.
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  Speaker 2: We're done.
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  Speaker 5: We're ready to put it in the trash.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. At this point, you're right. We need some more
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  Speaker 4: like meat on the bone, like some real drama, like,
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  Speaker 4: like somebody actually getting a divorce, God forbid, or somebody
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  Speaker 4: actually getting a wedding and seeing the wedding. Maybe people
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  Speaker 4: are sick of weddings, but I'm not, I'm never sick
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  Speaker 4: of seeing a wedding. Cause I love love, but yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we need some more meat of things. Or like when
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  Speaker 4: Lynn Curtin was losing her house and she's still doing
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  Speaker 4: her cuffline, you know? It's just like real things happening.
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  Speaker 4: And it is kind of like it's just telephone.
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  Speaker 5: You are so freaking right. This is why you're good
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  Speaker 5: at what you do.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you. The thing is this.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why for me, I want it to be
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  Speaker 1: a show where these women confront each other about it.
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  Speaker 2: Stop telling... these other women, how you feel.
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  Speaker 1: And then they're going to take it and be the
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  Speaker 1: bone carrier and say, well, when you weren't around, she
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  Speaker 1: said this about you instead of that person saying it
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  Speaker 1: to that person's face.
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  Speaker 2: And that, that, that brings me to, um, Tamara of
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  Speaker 2: it all.
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  Speaker 4: I was just going to ask that to you because
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: I'm like, well, the one scene that we do have
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: that was authentic and needed to be done is the
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: one between Tamara and Vicky, because I do know, behind
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: the scenes, that that was real feelings. Like that was not,
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: no one was putting on a show there. Nobody was
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: trying to make ratings. Nobody was trying to, on both sides,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: both Vicky and Tamara, that was legitimate.
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: No, it is.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: So can't wait for us to get to that because
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: that scene gave me chills. And what happened prior to
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: that is we have learned that Tamara says her friendship
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: with Vicky is complicated due to comments that Vicky made
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: on her podcast where she pretty much told the world
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: that Tamara needs to get off the show in order
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: to salvage her relationship with her daughter, Sydney. And for
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: the range dogs who may not know, Tamara, unfortunately, has
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: a daughter who isn't speaking to her. It's her daughter's decision.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Tamara has tried. Tamara has also... respected her daughter's boundaries
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: so it doesn't.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Come across she's trying not trying I'm sorry that.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: She's pushing her further away and it's a very delicate
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: dance you have to do because when Vicky said on
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: her podcast two years ago that you know I would
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: be begging down her door my daughter's door begging her
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: to talk to me I would get off the show
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: it I gotta be honest with you, I forgot about
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: that moment, but to be reminded of it, that's a
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: shitty thing to say. And there's just no, and that's
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: another example for me when I say that's another moment
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: of Vicky being malicious. And I think, and I wanna
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on it, I think at that time,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Vicky was in a very dark place and a bitter
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: place Because at that time, she was fired from the show.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, we are here to be honest. So
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: I'm going to be honest and objective. And it's hard
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: when both of these girls are my friends, right?
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: So it's really hard.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: I'm so sorry for both of them because I know
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: they both podcast, so they both get it. So that's
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: the beauty of me being a friend with them is
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: that they get what I say is, is I'm just
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: trying to talk about a scene.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: I'm not talking about their character. And, you know, this
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: is just about the scene.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: So I do feel, I never asked either of them this,
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: but I do feel Vicky was bitter at that point.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: I do feel like she didn't give Tamara enough.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Grace and the fact that, you know, Tamara had a
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: lot to say about Shannon and Tamara wasn't going to
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: back down and Shannon has a drinking.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: Problem or did or whatever it was.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: But Vicky or Tamara's allowed to her opinion on that.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: But Vicky didn't give any kind of grace to Tamra.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: She just went for the gut jugular on that. And
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: then she went for the jugular also on the kids,
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: on her podcast, I mean, with Tamra's daughter. And I
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: do know a lot more about it. I don't wanna
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: talk a lot about that whole thing, but I just
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: know that it is so much bigger than anyone really
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: does know about it. And it is not just because
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: of Tamra's career. So that just needs to be put
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: to rest. That's why it hurts Tamra so much. And
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: I do feel like Vicky never, really apologized genuinely until this,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: we'll get to that point. I know I'm jumping, but
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: I do feel like that it finally came out where
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: they were both sorry and they're both like, okay. But yeah,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of it had to do with
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Vicki being bitter and now she's on. So, so she's
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: not as bitter and she's like, why are we still
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: talking about this? You know, but at the same time
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: they had never squashed it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: I get it. Why are we bringing stuff up?
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of like Heather at that party
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: when she brought up what happened three years ago and
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Jim heard or John heard the crash and Okay, it's the.
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: Same kind of concept. It's like, no, that's years ago.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: Why are we bringing it up?
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: The reason it's more valid in this one is because
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: it cut Tamra so deep that Tamra hasn't had that
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: conversation with Vicky and hasn't gotten that apology until this episode.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. This one is very tricky.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Because, ah.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: Well, for Tamara to say, okay, go, no, go.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: No, no, you go, go, no, please, please, please.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: For Tamara to say in one of those, in that
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: moment when she, she really did have a meltdown, like a,
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: she would never want to act like that on camera.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: Tamara is very, as you've seen, she's very put together,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: very stoic on, but she lost it.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: For her to say, I would probably go back to
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Simon if I would know and could keep my, you
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: don't say that when you're married to Eddie for 13 years,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: if you don't mean it and don't have this guttural connection.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: Ache in your body.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: That's like, I would go back and be in my
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: hell just to have my daughter again, because there is
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: something about the maternal instinct. It is like, if your
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: kids are not with you and not good, you're not good. So,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: so you won't say a line like that, even on
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: national television. If you're, if, if it's not like the
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: hardest thing ever to not have them being Sydney and
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: her communicating.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: So when Tamara confronted Vicky, all the girls are together,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: and she says to her, look, you made these comments.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I do want to address it. Like you said, Vicky's like,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: why are we talking about this? What is so obvious
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: that is happening in this particular moment, because in this moment,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the name of the place I forgot, but it's before
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: they all get dressed up. So They're all like sitting
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: around and you could tell Vicky obviously is breaking the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: fourth wall. Vicky's behavior this entire episode was breaking the
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: fourth wall up. Why the fuck are the producers telling
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: you to bring this up? Why are we talking about this?
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Are you guys trying to comfort me? That's obvious. Vicky's like,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I apologize to you. And we talked on the phone
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: and Tamra's like, no. And one thing you and I
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: both know about Tamra, you especially, is she has a
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: great memory.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: She is a Rolodex, a walking Rolodex and Encyclopedia and
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Jeopardy master.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Okay. Exactly. Okay.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: She remembers everything. And she's like very calmly. No, you
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: did not apologize. And no, we didn't talk about it. And,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: you know, at this point she breaks down and cries.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: And when she made that comment about how she was
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: staying in a bad marriage to her ex-husband, if that meant,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: salvaging her relationship with her daughter i mean whoa whoa
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: to the point where she she is crying hysterically to
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the point where all the girls console her console her
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: excuse me and vicky leaves.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Well lexus caught something else in that too though by
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: the way so yes you're right And yes, your eyes
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: being that wide open is true because when Tamara said that,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: all those girls are tearing. And I swear tears fell
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: out of my eyes too because I'm like, I've been
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: in a bad marriage and I would probably do the same.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: I would stay if I knew one of my kids
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: were never going to talk to me again because of how,
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: whatever the situation. But what I caught, Carlos, is Jen
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: walks over to Vicky and goes, I think some space
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: would be good.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Let me help you up. Let's go.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: So it wasn't like Vicky was just being... Vicky at
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: that moment thought, OK, maybe Jen's right. I mean, I'm
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: not speaking for Vicky because I did not.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: Let me clarify.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I have not talked to Vicky about this. But I
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: feel like in that moment, she's like, oh, my gosh,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Tamara's having a meltdown.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: OK, I'll go with Jen.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: I don't think Vicky's sitting there going, OK, let me
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: walk away because Vicky, they end up talking a little
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: bit more later on about it. But I so I
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: caught that because I thought the same thing. I'm like,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: why isn't Vicky walking over and saying, Tamara? Oh, my gosh,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: I can see how bad this hurts you. But I
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: heard Jen say that and go help her get up
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: and walk her out. So Vicky's probably like, oh my gosh, okay,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: I'll just go with Jen.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's another way to look at it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: No, no, no.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: But I think this. I know you, for example. I...
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: And you tell me if I got this wrong.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I believe.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: And listen, you and Vicky are two different people, so
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not comparing the two of you guys.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Um.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I know you and I do believe that if you
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and Shannon had a moment like that and Shannon.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Felt you said something about.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Her kids, although you never would have, but let's just
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: say in this moment you did and you see her
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: saying that about her ex who cheated on her, David,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I just see you trying to In that moment, fuck
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: our issues, fuck.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Whatever, there's a mother crying.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Which is why I thought it was fascinating that of
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: all people, Shannon was the one that bear-hugged Tamara the tightest. Because, again,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: to your point, you have someone like Jen, where we
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: saw earlier this season, talk about her son who said
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: to her, like, things are different because dad's not with
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: me every day.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: And she's like, I make a big mistake.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Look, I just got chills because it is, it is
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: just that feeling of that mom that just, you just
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: are like, you die for your kid.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: I mean, dad's would too. I'm not saying that, but
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: a mom was like, you die for your kid.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Mom is yeah. And listen, I told you this before.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Mothers are to me the number one greatest occupation in
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the world, right? It's a privilege to be a mother. Um, because, uh,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys do it.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I really don't. And like you said, there was not
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: a dry eye in the room.
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: And yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Jen got Vicky out of there. I would have loved
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: for Vicky to say, Jen, move.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Tamra, gosh.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: But I think Vicky....
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: And we'll see if she talks about this at the reunion.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: If I'm a betting man and if Vicky's honest... I
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: just think Vicky looks at Tamra as a professional reality star.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: And I think at that moment, she felt nothing because
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: she's like, she's doing this at my expense.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know how anybody... Like you said, you're at home.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: You're just like, I'm watching it on my fucking phone like...
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: To me, it shook me to my core. The way
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: you have chills when I brought up Jen.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I'm sure Emily thought about like, damn, me and Shane's
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: going through shit. Can I do this to my kids?
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I thought about Gina, who's divorced with her kids. And
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, that shit, that to me was one
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: of the realest scenes of Orange County history.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: And I would have preferred....
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: If Vicky would have not thought about how this made
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: her look and was a human in that moment.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: But I also, I feel like I've said all season long,
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Vicky bit off more than she could chew. And I
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: think that just like when they pulled up this, this episode,
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Emily goes, Emily was like, The gardener just got here,
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: so it distracted me for a minute. But anyway, Emily
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, you know, when has Vicky ever stayed
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: the whole party? You know, I feel like Vicky's just
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: a little bit over, she's overstimulated. It's a little bit
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: too much. And she bit off more than she could chew.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: And I feel like in this scene, the same thing happened.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: She kind of got overwhelmed seeing Tamara cry like that.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: But you're right.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: You might be right about that. I never looked at
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: it like that.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: But maybe she was like, oh, Tamara's just turning on
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: the waterworks because she's a professional reality star.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: Maybe she did have that thought.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: The way I read the scene more is just like,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: she just kind of shut down and she's like, oh
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: my God, like they just keep coming at me.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: It's always something. It's always, I'm doing something wrong. I've
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: got my laptop open too much. I leave too early.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: I'm doing this, I'm doing that.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: And they were, you know, kind of like just beat
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: her down a little bit to where she's just like,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I can't do anything right.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: Everyone's coming after me every episode.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I think two things can be true. I agree with you.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I think that could have been part of it as well, right?
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: But I think we're saying the same thing, except two
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: different angles. I think your hypothesis is more about, I'm
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: tired of getting beat up by these women. And I
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: agree with that. And I think my other one is,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I think she looks at Tamara like, here comes the waterworks.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Fuck. Like, I got to get out of here. And
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: that's why even when.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: What we saw in the flashback, Alexis, When she got
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: in the car, Emily tells Tamara that Vicky doubled down
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And what we saw in the car was Vicky.
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: Telephone.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: Another thing of telephone.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. This entire scene. is the game of telephone,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: if I'm being honest.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: So, Emily tells Tamara, like, well, in the car, she
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: brought up Sidney and said that Sidney said this publicly,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: that the way Tamara acts is what... The way The
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: way in which Tamara acts is what Sidney has a
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: problem with.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like, Alexis, I'm like.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: I was, you know, the head slap. Hey, Carlos. It
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: was like when they were slapping heads. That was the
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: funniest scene ever. I, I, I teetied a little bit.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Cause it was so funny.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: I was laughing so hard, but I was like this
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: to my head. I was like, Vicky.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Oh my God. Are you not reading the room here?
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Don't bring up her daughter.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Stop talking about the situation. You're not helping yourself at all.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: I did beat my head against the wall at that
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: point a little.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: You're digging yourself deeper and deeper in the bullshit. Emily
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: tells her this. And listen, I don't care, people. Listen,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like this. At this point, all bets are
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: fucking off. So when Emily tells Tamara this, Tamara's like, oh, really? Well,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: let's ask her if her daughter Brianna is speaking to
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: her right now.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Uh-huh. Kind of like, oh, okay, well. And you know
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: what I noticed also? Because I had that same thought, Carlos.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Tamara didn't bring it up in front of Vicky to
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: make it a bigger scene. That slipped out of her
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: mouth because she was mad. In that moment, you could
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: tell I could read Tamara just as clear as day.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: And then when she got in front of Vicky, she
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: didn't go, you know, she didn't start going off on
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Vicky and saying, oh, but what about Brianna and your
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: two kids aren't talking and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah,
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: you know, which she did say behind the, you know,
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: on camera, behind her back.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: But she didn't make it a bigger scene than it
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: needed to be.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: She kind of, I think she probably felt like I
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: don't want to go there with her right now. I
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: feel bad because I don't want to do the same
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: thing to her that she's doing to me right now.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: So Tamara's growing up a little bit, right? We've still
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: seen that this season.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: No, she, no, listen, you can tell that Tamara is
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: trying to have some restraint.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, you can read it so much.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: It's almost like she's almost twitching. She's trying to restrain us.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Don't say it, Tamara.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Keep it up.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Don't.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Camera.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: It's coming.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: She did a great job.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: No, she did. It was.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: And this is why even Tamara said this. Um, you
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: can't live in glass houses and throw stones, right? What we,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: what we do know based on the season earlier was
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the fact that Michael, Vicky's son and Vicky's daughter, they
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: haven't seen each other in years.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: And listen, you and I had to talk about it.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Um, Vicky responded to our commentary about it on her
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: podcast with Christian.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, Oh, do share.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know this.
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, yes.
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: She... Well, look.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: What?
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: It wasn't bad.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: It wasn't bad. It was very Vicky. It was very Vicky. Okay.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: What did she say?
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: She didn't say our names, by the way.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: Oh, she just said on a podcast?
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: So... But.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: And, and, and, she didn't say anything mean. I want
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: to be clear, right?
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: That's why we didn't talk about it, because it was
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: very Vicky what she said.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to paraphrase it. When I find it,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I'll text it to you. Okay. So, she's like, ugh. So,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: she's like, ugh. I saw a podcast where they talked
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: about it, and look, not true. Stop with your theories.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Leave it alone.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, let's be fair, Carlos. We do theorize
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: a lot on this podcast, okay?
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: We all do.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: And say, I know everything and you know everything.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: We are simply podcasting or theorizing and it's fun as heck, okay?
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Leave us alone, people.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: We want to theorize. Don't tune in then. It's all good.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I wasn't tripping off of it. I acknowledged that. I
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: said a theory.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: And in your defense, it was my theory.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: My theory, I said what I said.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to repeat it. because I want to
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: respect Vicky's boundaries. I said my theory to Alexis. Vicky
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: responded and said, stop with your theories.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Not true. And leave. And she said, they're fine.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: All good. I washed my hands with it, right? Because remember,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I read a Facebook post of what Michael said. But hey,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: it's all good. So theory, sure.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Michael's own Facebook message update.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Whatever. Tomato, tomato. Theories, facts, receipts, hypothesis. I don't fucking know.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: I like that you're respecting though.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I'm respecting it. She said stop. And guess what I'm
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: going to do?
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: Stop.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Because that to me isn't a storyline. And with all
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: due respect, I can stop talking about it. Now, what
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to stop talking about Is now they're
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: faced with each other, right?
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Tamara. Did you see Tamara's face, Alexis? While all the
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: girls are.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: And she's like.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: And the funny thing is, Carlos, her head never moved.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: She sat back. She was like, she had her arms
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: crossed and she was just no, no, she didn't.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: She had her arms down. If I'm remembering correctly, I
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: could just read.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: She was seething.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: And I could just read.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: She's like.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: She won't even blink.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: She's so mad.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: She's just deadlocked on like, you know, it was her
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: having the twitch, but it was an internal twitch because
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: she's like, it's about to bubble over. And I'm about
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: to I'm just about to start screaming and throw a
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: napkin in someone's face again or whine in someone.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: And then she says it. And I was like, oh,
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: here it goes.
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: Here it goes.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Here it goes. Tamara has collected.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I do miss napkin throwing, Tamara. Okay, that's what it's been.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: You miss napkin throwing, wine throwing, slapping, and whatever, Tamara?
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: Not the slapping.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know if she ever slapped anyone.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think she slapped.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: I don't think she slapped. I take that back.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, she never slapped.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: She did throw a napkin, and she did throw some wine.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: So she's a thrower.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, and out of those two, I miss napkin throwing. OK, because,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: you know, OK, fine.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: Whatever.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I digress. Now, she is seething and she's wearing red
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: because she's red hot. She's boiling.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Looks hot as heck, too. Looks hot and it's boiling.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Hot water boiling.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: See, I don't want to say that because I don't
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: want to seem biased. Not that you're seeing bias. She
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: looks so fucking hot.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I was like, Tamra looks good.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: She flew her glam out there, okay? So her glam
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: was there helping her, which is good. She looked good.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: She looked good.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Good job, everybody.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Jamie, let's call this episode Hot Tamra. Wait, is that
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: a Hot Tamali? Hot Tamra Ali? I don't know, Jamie.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Figure it out.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: Hot Tamali.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Hot Tamra Ali. Tamra Ali. Ollie.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Okay. Hot Tam Raleigh. Okay.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: There we go.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: No, they won't get that. Hot Tam Raleigh.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: No. Hot Tam Raleigh.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: Okay. Okay. We'll go with yours.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: We'll see if it works. Okay. Now, she shuts it down, Alexis.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: And she's like, I just find it quite interesting how
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: we're not addressing the, we're not talking about me.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: But you know what? She doesn't even say it with like, she's,
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: she's so boiling over inside and she's trying to stay
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: so restrained that she says it even so like almost
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: it's eerily calm. She's like, are we just going to
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: avoid the topic of the elephant in the room? Like
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: she's not like your normal Tamara where she's like, Hey,
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: I'm not doing this.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: You know, that kind of thing.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: It's more like, you know, She is just, I'm sitting there,
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: I'm almost shivering for Vicky when I'm watching this part
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: of the scene.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Because you know it's coming, you know it's coming, you
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: know it's coming.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: So the ladies are sort of like, okay. She's like,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I need to talk about this. And she pretty much
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: says that you did not apologize. And Vicky said, I apologize.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I said I was sorry.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Um, I'll do it again.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: And Vicky said, you never apologized to me. And Tamara said,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: tell me one thing I said very calmly. Tell me
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: one thing I said that you want to apologize for
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: and I'll do it. She goes, okay, well, you said
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: that I was in on the scam, the cancer scam
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: with Brooks. Tamara being the fucking Britannical encyclopedia, pamphlet, all
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: those things, honey.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Thesaurus, all of it. Immediately. Jeopardy. Jeopardy. Immediately.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: Trivial Pursuit.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Like any of those games where you actually have a
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: brain to play, you know, all the ones that.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: In the new york times okay so immediately she says
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: well shannon said it too.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like wait because alexa.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: This happened like 10 years ago so of course i'm
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: like alexa's like wait did she But the beautiful producers
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: flashed back to it.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: I remembered it.
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: Okay, let me tell you something.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: I was on the couch at the reunion when it
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: was Vicky and I. Vicky and I were besties. Well,
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: on the cast at that moment, you know what I'm saying?
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: We were the tightest.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Where Jim and I, I was still married.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: To Jim at the time. Jim and I believed.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Brooks and we were defending Vicky and Brooks at this
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: point because Vicky even believed it. And I don't think
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: that she was in on a scam. I still to
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: this day will always think that Vicky didn't know because
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: we were taking Brooks soup when he was vomiting and
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: not healthy.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: So that is how much he had us in on
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: the game too.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: So, so. I do remember when Tamara was calling her
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: out on that reunion couch saying that Vicky knew the
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: whole time about the scandal. And I just defended Vicky.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: And I was like, Tamara, she didn't know. Because in
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: my mind, I was living through some.
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: Of that with them. So I don't know.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: I still don't know to this day if I believe
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: Vicky knew. I don't think she did. So I don't
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: know who all does think she did. But I'm telling you,
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: Brooks had us fooled.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, listen. And that's iconic insight based on that.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: And based on this scene, because it did happen.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: Did, did claim that, or, you know, throw that. So
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: here's the thing, Carlos. I mean, they're both pretty bad.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: So that's what I don't like is when somebody says, oh,
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: you were so bad to me, but they don't remember
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: how bad they were also, you know, like everybody needs
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: to say, we kind of are shitty to each other
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: sometimes on this cast. Like sometimes we are, and it's
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: a good TV show, but, but sometimes we do just,
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: you know, and that's what I think the women are
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: wanting from Vicky is just to own it. That, yeah,
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: she's been shitty sometimes. Like Jen said, you've been shitty and,
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: and you just need to own your shit and then
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: we can all move on. So I kind of feel
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: that though. And I don't know at that moment, Tamara's right.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Vicky did say, or, you know, Vicky's right. Tamara did
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: say that about Vicky. Now is the daughter one worse?
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: Cause it's your kid.
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: I'm going to.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Ask you that as a mother and as somebody who
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: was there, because again, I can only tell you from
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: my POV, I think what Vicky did is worse. And
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you why. Yes, I think your
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: kids is off limits, but also Vicky said that on
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: her podcast while her and Tamra were not on the
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: show together. And they weren't in a good place. And
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a part of the storyline, right? And I
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: think in Tamra's... This is my opinion. In Tamra's defense,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Brooks and the cancer story was on the show. They
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: were on the show together. It was a part of
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: the storyline. And she said it to her face. I
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: think you're part of the scam. And she has every
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: right to defend herself.
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: And she did.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: But I think to go on your platform, you guys
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: aren't filming. And to bring up her daughter... And that, listen,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: to intimate that shows fame over your child, that's.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Well, when you put it that way, and I hadn't
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: thought about it like that, but you're right. It's kind
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: of one of those things where what is brought up
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: on the show is fair game, you know? And we
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: all do have, every reality person has... their life, that
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: there's some things that people don't know, like, you know,
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: like things that are going on even in my life
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: right now, or like things that are going on in
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: Tamara's life that aren't shown on camera are kind of like, yeah,
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: don't bring it up. Yeah.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: That's a whole nother layer to this onion that you're saying,
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: which is true. So yeah, I would definitely think that
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: what Vicki did is worse than what Tamara did, but equally,
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: but here's the deal. Bad is bad and they're both bad.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: And so they both do need to realize, okay, look,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: we have, And maybe you're right. Maybe their friendship is
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: only going to be surface level because they're reality stars.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: It is really hard. You know, I think I don't
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: think Tamara and I would be as authentically close and
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: as good friends as we are right now if I
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: was still on the cast, because it does it changes dynamic.
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: And that's why for me, like, here's the deal. I
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: agree with you. When you're on the show, all things
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: for a game. You know, let's not forget that Vicky
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: was a part of spreading rumors that Tamara's husband, Eddie,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: was gay.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Like, that was something that happened after.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: The cancer scam comment.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Which, as a viewer, I looked at it as that's
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Vicky's payback to Tamara.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, you were talking about
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: my man and rumors. I'm going to talk about your
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: man and rumors. You know what I mean?
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: And I think, as a viewer, that's fair. Because Tamara
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: was able to know about it and defend herself and
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: her husband. But to go and talk about the kid
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: on your podcast, don't beat somebody up while they're down.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what Tamara's trying to say. So
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: even when she's trying to talk about it, Vicky leaves.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: She's yelling at production, I don't want to do this.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: You guys have ruined my vacation. You ruined this trip.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I don't want to have this conversation. And Tamara just
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: sitting there like, let's talk about it. Because I do
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: feel like Tamara wants to address it and move on
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: from it.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: And Becky doesn't want to. She wants to, in the
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: words of Sutton, let the mouse go. Okay? Okay?
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: But, okay, this is again where I'm not trying to
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: defend anyone. I'm just trying to be objective and give.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Other people perspective. No, that's why you're perfect for this.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Go ahead. Yeah.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: I also, in that scene, read that Vicky's like, okay,
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: first of all, let's be real. There is no vacation
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: when you're going to film a girl's trip.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: It ain't a vacation.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: So no one, it's not a vacation. It is, you
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: are there to work. And unfortunately you got to clock
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: in for 10 or 12 hours a day and you
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: clock out and.
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: Then you go home.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: And you do get the experience.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: Hold on though. You do want to go to Japan, right?
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: On Bravo's budget because you want to experience all those
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: things that you wouldn't really even know how to even, they,
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: they have such good teamwork teams to source all that
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: out and figure that out. You wouldn't even be able
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: to find half that unless you had a travel agent
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: or someone tucked in your butt. So, so they do
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: get a little vacation, but a lot of it's work.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: But the other part I read to that scene is that,
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Vicky is again, like, guys, it's always, you guys are
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: picking me apart for everything. There's always, it's, I feel
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: like everyone thinks Heather got a lot, you know, this season.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: I just feel like Vicky got a lot. They were
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: on her about a lot of stuff. And I think
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: she was just kind of like, again, overwhelmed and like,
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: I'm done. Like, why does it always have to be
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: on me? Why am I always the one that's getting
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: somebody scrutinizing and, you know, pointing fingers at me? And I,
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: Because then when she went back in, after Shannon talked
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: some sense into her, she went back in.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: Good job, by the way, on that.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I will say this. I will say this, though. Because
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I took it props where props is due.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh. I thought Shannon did a.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Great job this episode navigating the friendships between Tamara and Vicky.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: I agree. I agree.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: Completely agree.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: And I thought what she said to Vicky outside was
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: very wise, a wise way to tell her.
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: To put your big girl pants on and go back
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: in there and hash it out.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: Because at the end of the day, they need to
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: get it completely hashed out so we can move on
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: in storyline.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: Like, we need to get this done and move on.
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: Because we need to.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Get over this fight really fast, too.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: So let's just.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Get it over with. And, yeah. I agree. Good job.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: So.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Well, not to change the subject, because I want to
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: get back to this, but I meant to ask you
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: this earlier.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: It slipped my mind. Sorry, Shannon. I gave you a compliment,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: and so did Alexis, but I got to bring this up.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: How did you feel when.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Going backwards only for five minutes, Alexis.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go backwards for five minutes.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: When Shannon said it bothered her when you appeared on
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Vicky's podcast and she did not get a heads up
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: from Vicky.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: Uh, It's, again, a fuck off, Shannon, because you don't
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: own anybody.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: And it's like, just fuck off.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: And quit telling me to use your name and just
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: stop bringing me up.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: Just stop.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: I'm not getting paid a dime. And you get to
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: use my footage and all of my charisma. You could
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: use my charisma for your scene. Hello. But anyway, no,
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: to be honest, I think it's ridiculous. Yes. Like I
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: am not calling people all day long and asking them
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: if I can name them in my.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: Podcast or are you okay with this?
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: Are you okay with that? This is all high school stuff.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: It's juvenile. It's like, just like, oh, I can't go
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: to someone's wedding because, oh, I can't be friends with
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: two people. Yes, you can.
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: Yes, you can.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Idiots.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: So it's like, it's like, it's like, I just don't
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: like the whole. thing about like, because I really don't
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: care who's friends with Shannon. I'm still going to be
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: friends with you if I like you.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: Tamara, I love you. Be friends with her.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: I don't care.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: Vicki, I love you.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: Be friends with her.
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: Jim, be friends with her.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: I don't care. I don't put a friendship that you
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: have with someone else in the line of what I
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: have to run through in a day.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: That would get so exhausting to think about who I
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: have to check in with. Oh, someone just texted me.
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: Should I ask them?
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: Oh, oh, you know, back when I was in the
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: middle with Tamara and Jen, that is the perfect example
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: of I did not want to be in the middle
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: of anything.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: I just said, don't bring her name up to me,
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: to Tamara.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: Bring up Jen.
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: Jen, don't bring up Tamara.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: I love you both.
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: I can keep both friendships separate.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: And that's what I feel like people should do. So
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: in that case of what you're asking, that's what I feel.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: Like Vicky didn't owe too much Two nickels to anyone
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: to say who's coming on our podcast. She's got a
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: job to do. She's a podcaster.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: You make money. You got to do your work.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: By the way, we had so much fun on that podcast.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: And I squashed beef that I had. Vicki and I
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: had gotten into it, you know, before that podcast. We'd
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: gotten into it on season 18.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: I forgot about that. You're right.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: From the minute I walked in that podcast, we hugged
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: each other and it's like, we're grown up, grown ass
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: woman here.
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: Let's move on and do a podcast. And we squashed
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: the beef.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: If y'all want to go back and listen to that episode,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: I was weeks away from my wedding and Vicki and
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: I squashed the beef on that podcast about all the
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: crap she'd said about John.
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: Before because when she said, I like John, I go, oh,
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: do you really?
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: And I go, let's go down the list here, Vicki,
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: of what you've said about my husband in a couple
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: of weeks. And so I go down the list and
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: she's just like, oh God. And she did the exact
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: typical Vicki. Oh gosh, Lex, that was so long ago. No,
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: I'm fine with John. I know he's a good guy.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: I like him.
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: I'm like.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, but you said these things and.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: yes so i am i.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: Am the rolodex also and i brought out all the
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: receipts of what she had said and then she's like
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: oh i did say that dang okay but okay we're
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: moving on i don't i don't feel that way and
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: i'm like okay vicky.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: You're like but vicky we gotta talk about it and
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: that's why and then she goes do.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: You and then she goes do you have an invitation
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: for me to your wedding over there in that.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Bag was she at your wedding No, I didn't.
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: It was two weeks before.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: I would have invited her if that podcast happened two
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: months before, but the wedding was two weeks away. It
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: was like, no, sorry.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: I believe that. I believe that. I believe that.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: So as Vicky goes back in, like you said, Shannon
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: tells her to go back in.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: She does it.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: And the funny thing is you could tell she didn't
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: want to talk about it because she would not sit down.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: She kept pacing, walking around. And Tam was like, Vicky,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: sit and let's talk about this. I just don't want
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: to deal with this shit. Like I just, I do
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: not want to deal with it. And I loved, loved
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: seeing Tamara get up and hug her.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: Well, that's kind of what Vicky needed to do when
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: Tamara was down and about, you know, in the, when
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: they were in their kimonos, that's what Vicky needed to
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: walk over. Like you said, and, and, and kneel down
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: and embrace Tamara and say, look, let's put everything aside.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: Because in that moment, Tamara did put everything aside because
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: she could tell that Vicky was trying.
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: To hold back tears.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: And it was an authentic moment, you know, because you
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: can tell when someone's fake crying or trying to create
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: a scene and you can tell when it's a raw
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: emotion that's just coming up. And I think she could
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: read that Vicky was like it was bubbling. She was
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: going to start bawling. And, you know, he probably went
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: back to her room and cried. Not going to lie,
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: because there's times you go back to your room after
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: you're filming and you just have this letdown of emotion
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: and you just you just cry.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. One last thing, though, that I know will be
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: brought about the reunion.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Even after all of that, in the confessional, Vicky doubles
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: down again and saying, I know why Sidney isn't talking
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: to her because Tamara can have a flippant mouth. And
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: as we know with confessionals, that tapes weeks after the scene.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: And I was just like, ugh.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: You know, like the moment, like, right, right, right.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Like Alexis, right? Like the moment. Well, hey, hey, screw you.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: Okay, got you twice.
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: You don't get to just hit me like that.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it. Raindrops, that's why you have to
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: go to my YouTube to watch this hysterical. Okay. We're
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: like literally putting each other in the face via the Zoom.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, the moment I'm like, it's so sweet
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: to see this, to hear that comment. I'm just like, okay,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: this is not going to end well for them. Before
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I let you go, I do want to ask you this.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Do you have any insight for the raindrops on the
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: current state of Tamara and Vicky's friendship today?
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I talked to them both a lot,
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: but I haven't specifically asked that question. So let me
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: just preface it with that. And I don't share everything
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: on the pod. If there's something my friends have said
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: not to, I just want them to still feel safe
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: with knowing that I'm, I am still a vault, but I,
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: I think it's about the same, to be honest. I, I,
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: I don't, I think it's, Right now, I think it's
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: just kind of more of a TV friendship, you know,
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: because I always say you put it in a box.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: It's either a TV friendship or it's a real friendship.
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: You have you can.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: Still have a real friendship with TV moments, but there's
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: a definite line with someone being your true friend that
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: you call.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: Up and you share.
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: Oh, my God.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: John and I, you should hear this. I just pissed
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: him off and he's not, you know, like in your
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: moment or. the friend that you're just kind of like, okay,
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: well we're filming. Okay. Love you.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Love you too.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: Bye.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: So I think that they're more at this, if, and
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: I could be wrong and I could get a text
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: from him in an hour. I don't know, but I
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: think they're more of just at the kind of they've had,
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: but here's the problem, Carlos, they've had a 20 year
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: span of memories where they have been true best friends,
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: where they have had falling outs, where they have had
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: gone through a lot of emotions together. So you can't
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: just like chuck that away. So let me say, I'll
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: say it this way. I think if there was no
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: TV show, okay, and let's just say Housewives doesn't have
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: a season 21, there's no more, they're going to pause
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: it or they're going to be done with Housewives of
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: Orange County forever. I think Vicki and Tamara would have
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: a legit friendship. While the show is airing or having
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: a show, I don't, I mean, maybe not a friendship
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: like where Tam and I talk all the time.
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: Maybe not like that.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: Maybe like once a month, they might meet every once
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: every couple months, they might meet up. They just have
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: too much of a history to not, continue some type
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: of a friendship but i do think the show is
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: getting in the way and i do think that as
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: long as the show is airing they are going to
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: be friends surfacy friends what do you think.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I think they had two years of not being on
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: the show together and they still weren't friends.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: For two years the show was off here's the problem
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: I agree with you. And see, you bring light to
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: a lot of situations for me and a lot of
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: light bulbs for me because you have such a different
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: take on things.
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: And I love that. That's why I love podcasting with you.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: You said this time, just a couple minutes ago, you
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: said Vicky was bitter because she had been fired and
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: Tamara was back on. I think that played a lot
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: into it. And then they both had hurt each other.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: And so for that two years, I think they were
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: having a head-butting because you know, Vicky was team Shannon
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: at that moment and Tamara was going for Shannon. You know,
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: Vicky was mad at me at first for dating John and, and,
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: and we got past that. But so there was so
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: much happening in that two years that created some kind
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: of a, like a wedge between them. But now it's
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: all kind of aired out and dirty laundry. So I
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: feel like it would be different. You know, I don't
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: think that.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: I think it would be, I think it would be different.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: That's true. Actually, that's, that's true. That's true. That's true.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Because again, they were both, um, not in the best
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: place at that time.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: There's the Shannon of it all. Everyone was kind of,
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: don't forget this though. Don't forget this part. Those three
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: were the trace amigos, amigas, and Tamara had quit. So,
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: so keep in mind, Shannon and Vicky were tight at
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: that moment. Cause they were still trying to do the
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: dose amigos and do this and that. And, and then
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: for Tamara to come and attack Shannon and be like,
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: but she's a drunk and she's done this. And now
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: she hit a house and she's got to watch her
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: drinking and all this brought me coming out all the
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: while Vicky's trying to do a show with Shannon. I mean,
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: this is just a thought that's going on. I could be- Yeah.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Their podcast. I mean, not their podcast, their tour. Yes.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: And then also just like, you know, Vicky was sticking
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: up for Shannon and Tamara wasn't listening to Vicky when
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: Vicky's like, just.
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: Lay off of her a little bit.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: So I don't know. There was just so much dirt
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: muddying the water at that moment that now it's all
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: kind of done and everyone's in decent places and everybody's
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: kind of moved on.
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: I think if the show ended tomorrow, they would have
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: a friendly relationship. Not best friends.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: And I hope so.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: And that would be my hope for them to at
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: least be at a place to where they can reflect
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: on their memories and be cordial to each other. Shall
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: they see each other or reflect on moments like, oh
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: my gosh, this moment happened and I'm texting her about
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: it or whatever. I'm having a birthday party. I would
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: like for you to come. So I do agree with that.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: But like Alexis said, great episode. Oh yeah. I mean, it.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Wasn't a dull moment for me.
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: The costumes.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: First of all, we didn't talk about the head slapping
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: comical moment in the car comic relief. Thank you for that.
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: Cause I love the one where you just start, you
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: laugh out loud. And then their costumes when they went
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: around with the pink skirts and the purple hair or
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: all the different costumes.
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: It was like, okay.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: You know, Housewives of Orange County loves a costume party.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, let's just give them that. I mean, how
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: many dress up times did they.
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: Have this season so far?
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: It's already been like four or five and we're not
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: even done. Oh my God.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: It's really good. No, it was a really good episode.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Shout out to everyone.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: But Alexa and I will be back next week to
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: recap another episode.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: My beautiful girl, have a great weekend.
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Give my best to John as well. Bye.
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: Bye-bye, baby.
• 59:27
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• 59:31
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• 59:34
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• 59:36
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