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Herald Now Full Episode 18 December · The SME Stream

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  Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to herold Now. I'm Michael Mora.
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  Speaker 1: It's Thursday, the eighteenth of December. On the show Today,
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  Speaker 1: fake news is spreading in the wake of the Bondai shootings.
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  Speaker 1: Will have expert advice on how to spot it and
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  Speaker 1: how to stop it. Jevn mcskimming gets home to tention
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  Speaker 1: for possessing objection and more material. We'll speak to victim
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  Speaker 1: Advocate Louise Nicholas about the case. A petters for life,
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  Speaker 1: not just for Christmas. The SBCA joins me with some
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  Speaker 1: golden rules if you're thinking of giving a kitten, or
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  Speaker 1: a puppy or anything else cute and alive to a
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  Speaker 1: loved one this Christmas US. Poor information sharing and workload
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  Speaker 1: pressures are identified following the deaths of six Northern children
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  Speaker 1: who took their own lives first. Here's Wendy with the News.
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  Speaker 2: Herald Now News powered by News Talks V.
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  Speaker 3: Calls for a public inquiry into the police over the
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  Speaker 3: Geven mcskimming scandal to build back public trust the disgraced
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  Speaker 3: form of police deputy commissioners facing nine months home detention
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  Speaker 3: for possessing objectionable material. It follows a damning report last month,
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  Speaker 3: finding top cops ignored a young woman's anonymous complaints against
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  Speaker 3: mcskimming Wycuto University. Anna Marie Brennan says the Independent Police
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  Speaker 3: Authorities investigation was good, but a public inquiry would uncover more.
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  Speaker 4: They have wider powers to conduct audits into more regularly intercruption.
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  Speaker 4: I'm ensuring his vis are effective remedies for harm doing
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  Speaker 4: by our police officers.
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  Speaker 3: Expectations the GDP will bounce back with the latest figures
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  Speaker 3: out today. Stat Senz is releasing the economic figures to
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  Speaker 3: the three months ending September later this morning. Economists are
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  Speaker 3: predicting GDP rose by between zero point eight and one percent,
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  Speaker 3: twice the Reserve Bank forecast of point four percent. New
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  Speaker 3: Zealand Herald Business editor at large Liam Dan says it
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  Speaker 3: could be the start of the long awaited recovery.
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  Speaker 5: Manufacturing has come back into positive territory in the past
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  Speaker 5: few months. Consumers have been a little slower to turn around,
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  Speaker 5: but we may still see some signs that the retail
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  Speaker 5: trade sector is starting to recover.
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  Speaker 3: A coroner has criticized christ Churchmen's Prison over a delayed
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  Speaker 3: response to inmates call for help leading up to his
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  Speaker 3: death in twenty twenty two, Michael Bradley was struggling to
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  Speaker 3: breathe in his prison cell when his salmate raised the
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  Speaker 3: alarm for help, but there was a gap of eighteen
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  Speaker 3: minutes before staff began. CPR Rosie Leishman has more.
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  Speaker 6: Associate Coroner Dan Moore says while it's not certain the
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  Speaker 6: sixty seven year old would have survived, the delay may
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  Speaker 6: have contributed to his death.
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  Speaker 7: He says it's a significant failure.
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  Speaker 6: He's noted Corrections has since updated its procedures around in
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  Speaker 6: sell alarms to reduce the risk of a similar death.
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  Speaker 3: Two people have been airlifted to hospital following a shooting
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  Speaker 3: in Gore. Police ambulance and multiple helicopters were called to
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  Speaker 3: an incident involving a firearm discharge on Upper Ema Street
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  Speaker 3: around eight pm last night. People were asked to avoid
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  Speaker 3: the area. The ODT reports one person is in a
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  Speaker 3: serious condition and the other moderate. A midwek Christmas could
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  Speaker 3: be a key factor and increased demand at Wellington Airport.
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  Speaker 3: It's preparing for eighteen thousand passengers to pass through today,
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  Speaker 3: marking the busiest day in the holiday period. Nearly half
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  Speaker 3: a million travelers are expected over the next four weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Willington Airport Head of Operations, Matthew Palliser says people are
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  Speaker 3: taking a few extra days off work to make the
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  Speaker 3: most of it.
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  Speaker 8: Expecting around four hundred and forty thousand seats in total
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  Speaker 8: pieces of ninety international seats, which is up seat from
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  Speaker 8: last year in over three d and fifty domestic seats.
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  Speaker 2: Harold Now Sport brought you by gold Sport Now.
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  Speaker 3: Alex Care has scored one hundred and six to stare
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  Speaker 3: Australia to three hundred and twenty six for eight on
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  Speaker 3: day one of the third Ashes test in Adelaide. Men's
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  Speaker 3: world number one Carlos Alcaraz has parted ways with his
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  Speaker 3: longtime coach, one Carlos Ferrera, and FIFA has announced a
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  Speaker 3: fifty percent increase in prize money it will award to
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  Speaker 3: the forty eight teams next year's World Cup at the
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  Speaker 3: United States of Canada and Mexico. The tournament winners will
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  Speaker 3: receive exactly fifty million dollars US eighty six point four
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  Speaker 3: million in our terms.
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  Speaker 1: You're watching Harold Now. I'm Michael Mayer. Great have you
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  Speaker 1: with us this morning? So the surviving terror suspect has
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  Speaker 1: been charged with fifteen counts of murder during a bedside
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  Speaker 1: court hearing in hospital. Bondi Beach remains a shrine for
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  Speaker 1: the victims and families are preparing to bury loved ones.
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  Speaker 1: The terror attack presents yet another example of why social
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  Speaker 1: media can be so dangerous. Barely before the gunfire had
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  Speaker 1: even stopped, false information spread rapidly online. There were apparently
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  Speaker 1: other attacks that were imminent at Dover Heights and Double Bay,
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  Speaker 1: information that spread so quickly police were forced to issue
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  Speaker 1: a statement to deny the rumors. The hero who wrestled
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  Speaker 1: a gun from one of the shooters was falsely named
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  Speaker 1: as forty three year old IT professional Edward Crabtree by
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  Speaker 1: a fake news site The Daily. The AI chatbot on
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  Speaker 1: x known as Grock also got details wrong, suggesting that
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  Speaker 1: the video of the herey disarming the terrorist may have
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  Speaker 1: been staged. Meanwhile, AI was also used to create images
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  Speaker 1: to support the claim that the attack was staged by
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  Speaker 1: so called crisis actors. An AI generated image even showed
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  Speaker 1: a man having blood applied by makeup artists. Some of
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  Speaker 1: this false information spreads by mistake by those seeking to
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  Speaker 1: understand or give context to what happened. When verified facts
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  Speaker 1: are unavailable, But in many other instances, deluded keyboard warriors
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  Speaker 1: manufacture lies to stoke further fear or promote their own
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  Speaker 1: anti police, anti immigration, or extremist views. Social media algorithms
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  Speaker 1: then amplify the rubbish. Is social media getting worse when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to misinformation? What drives the deluded to manufacture
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  Speaker 1: such garbage in the midst of such horrific real life violence?
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  Speaker 1: And how can you ensure you're not caught up in
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  Speaker 1: all the lies? We'll examine this shortly.
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  Speaker 2: Held now, weather brought you by? You do it, Kitchens.
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  Speaker 9: Good morning, Still a little unsettled around the country. A
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  Speaker 9: weak ridge does lie over most of us, but a
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  Speaker 9: new front is approaching the Lower South Island that heads
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  Speaker 9: rapidly not tomorrow, with a cold at so western in
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  Speaker 9: its wake. So mostly cloudy here today, with occasional rain
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  Speaker 9: returning from mid afternoon and spreading north in the evening.
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  Speaker 9: There were lots of high cloud around here were the
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  Speaker 9: few spots of light rain nor easterlies developed for all
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  Speaker 9: of Canterbury this afternoon, staying dry though in Nelson cloudy
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  Speaker 9: periods with the odd shower for the Lower North Island.
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  Speaker 9: Those showers will be mainly tonight for Taranaki and for Tomernui.
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  Speaker 9: That's a little mixed here. Plenty of clear skies but
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  Speaker 9: also the chants of showers. This afternoon could be heavy
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  Speaker 9: and thundery, with hail for Gisbon until tonight and cloudy
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  Speaker 9: periods for the upper North with a few showers around.
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  Speaker 9: They should clear for Auckland this afternoon with southwesterlies and
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  Speaker 9: a high of twenty one degrees.
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  Speaker 10: Well.
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  Speaker 1: The heroic actions of the man who rested or gun
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  Speaker 1: off an attacker during the Bondai shootings are being praised
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  Speaker 1: in his hometown. A father of two, Ahmed al Ahmed
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  Speaker 1: lived in a village in Syria until moving to Australia
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven. Residents there say they are
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  Speaker 1: proud to know him.
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  Speaker 10: What was.
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  Speaker 11: As he had said that Elam and Suria, the Agencia
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  Speaker 11: Asia Muslim that oh damn video.
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  Speaker 1: But like me and me.
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  Speaker 11: Ahmed yah about thank you, thank you?
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  Speaker 1: I thought I had that advice to is it at?
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  Speaker 11: Who is that?
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  Speaker 12: Stah incredible stuff?
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  Speaker 1: Well as we know, Al Ahmid was shot multiple times
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  Speaker 1: in the arm. Over two point five million dollars has
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  Speaker 1: been raised so far to support his recovery. Well. In
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  Speaker 1: the aftermath of the bond II terror attack, false claims
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  Speaker 1: and AI generated misinformation spread rapidly online, including misidentifying people
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  Speaker 1: involved and questioning whether injuries were real. Joining us now
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  Speaker 1: to examine how and why this happens and what it
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  Speaker 1: means for public trust is disinformation researcher Byron Clark Barron,
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  Speaker 1: great to have you with us this morning. So why
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  Speaker 1: do terror events like the Bondie attack become such fertile
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  Speaker 1: ground for disinformation so quickly? I think there's a couple
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  Speaker 1: of reasons for it.
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  Speaker 13: Really.
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  Speaker 14: One is that in an event like this, people are
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  Speaker 14: looking for information. They want to find out what's going on.
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  Speaker 14: For those of us here in New Zeale, a lot
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  Speaker 14: of us probably know people in Sydney, so we're getting
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  Speaker 14: on social media trying to find.
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  Speaker 1: As much information as we can.
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  Speaker 14: And in that situation, the people who have a motivation
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  Speaker 14: to spread false information can reach a lot of people.
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  Speaker 14: And some of the examples you give there, I think
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  Speaker 14: we see people spreading information false information that fits their
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  Speaker 14: political narratives. One example, people wanted to wanting to push
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  Speaker 14: them in an Islamo phobic or an anti immigration narrative.
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  Speaker 14: It didn't fit well that the hero who disarmed one
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  Speaker 14: of the shooters was himself an immigrant and a Muslim man,
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  Speaker 14: so we saw this attempt to whitewash him and claim
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  Speaker 14: he was white Australian rather than a Syrian born immigrant
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  Speaker 14: to Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've seen examples like with AI chatbox like
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  Speaker 1: Grock misidentifying key individuals and even claiming some of the
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  Speaker 1: injuries were fake. I mean, how significant of these AI
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  Speaker 1: errors and shaping public perception? Noting that, of course, nowadays,
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  Speaker 1: every time you put in a Google search, AI actually
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  Speaker 1: summarizes all the lattest information that I assume at pulse
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  Speaker 1: from all sorts of places.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, a lot of people will trust these AI chatbots.
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  Speaker 14: I Like you said, they're built into Google Soft. It's
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  Speaker 14: the first thing you see when you search for something
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  Speaker 14: as an AI summary. But these are large language models.
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  Speaker 14: They are not necessarily putting out information that's true. They're
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  Speaker 14: putting out the information that is a statistically probable response
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  Speaker 14: to the question you're asking. And when they're trained on
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  Speaker 14: real time social media data, and that data is filled
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  Speaker 14: with balalse information and it's garbage in, garbage out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And so in many cases is some of
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  Speaker 1: this information because it's sort of amplified on social media.
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  Speaker 1: I mean in a way instead of doing the terrorists
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  Speaker 1: bidding for them and perpetuating the radicalization. Yeah, certainly.
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  Speaker 14: I mean a lot of the a lot of the
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  Speaker 14: misinformation and disinformation that we saw in the in the
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  Speaker 14: aftermath the shooting was itself promoting antisemitic narratives. There was
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  Speaker 14: a known Russian disinformation site pushing the false idea that
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  Speaker 14: this was some sort of Mossad, you know, some sort
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  Speaker 14: of Israeli intelligence operation, and that's yeah, that's feeding the
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  Speaker 14: same kind of anti semitism that radicalized these two shooters.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just on that, I mean, of these sort of
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  Speaker 1: disinformation sites, those that are so keen to throw out
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  Speaker 1: garbage for everyone to pick up. I mean, is this
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  Speaker 1: is this increasingly a problem? Are we seeing more of
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  Speaker 1: these sites? Who are being seeing more misinformation online?
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  Speaker 14: I don't know if there's necessarily more of these sites
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  Speaker 14: compared to say a couple of years ago, but with
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  Speaker 14: the changes in social media that have happening, it's less
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  Speaker 14: moderated now, particularly on x where it's very much anything goes.
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  Speaker 14: And we've also seen the issue of AI generated images
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  Speaker 14: things like that which allow more realistic looking false information
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  Speaker 14: to be generated and created much faster. So even if
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  Speaker 14: there's not necessarily more sites, where we're seeing that false
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  Speaker 14: information spread further and quicker than we were even a
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  Speaker 14: couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and so to what extent should these social platforms
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  Speaker 1: or AI developers bear responsibility for misinformation propagated by their
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  Speaker 1: own platforms.
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  Speaker 14: I mean, these are very large media companies that have
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  Speaker 14: a lot of money. They have the resources that if
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  Speaker 14: they had the will to, they could put things in
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  Speaker 14: place to limit the spread of this disinformation that's all
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  Speaker 14: algorithm based. They could have people responding quickly after events
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  Speaker 14: like these or after mass shootings happening elsewhere to suppress
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  Speaker 14: some of these false narratives that are being spread. So
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  Speaker 14: I think there needs to be more accountability for some
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  Speaker 14: of these companies because they are for a lot of
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  Speaker 14: people where they get their news, where they get their information,
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  Speaker 14: and that's you know, that's a real risk.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But but I guess that's a question, right, how
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  Speaker 1: do we hold them accountable because essentially they don't care.
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  Speaker 1: They're just looking for clicks for views, and whether that
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  Speaker 1: is promoting garbage or not, do they actually care I
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  Speaker 1: think that I think they care. I think that people
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  Speaker 1: behind them do.
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  Speaker 14: I think they make these decisions based on, you know,
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  Speaker 14: what's going to be profitable for them, Obviously investing resources
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  Speaker 14: and stopping the spread of disinformation that is going to
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  Speaker 14: be a cost to them. I think there's all also
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  Speaker 14: a concern with some of these companies. They don't want
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  Speaker 14: to be seen as having any kind of political bias,
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  Speaker 14: and when they start to have some sort of editorial
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  Speaker 14: control over what information the algorithms are promoting, they're going
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  Speaker 14: to get accused of political bias. They're going to get
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  Speaker 14: accused of suppressing a certain certain sides ideas, and I
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  Speaker 14: think they worry a lot about that. So that's one
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  Speaker 14: of the reasons that we're not seeing more action from
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  Speaker 14: the from the social media platforms.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess as well, Byron, there are some
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  Speaker 1: pretty significant real world consequences for people who are misidentified
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  Speaker 1: or targeted amid this push to promote misinformation. Is that
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  Speaker 1: is that accurate?
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, definitely. I Mean one of the things I've seen
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  Speaker 14: in the aftermath of the Bondi beat shooting was social
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  Speaker 14: media users in India finding a Pakistani Australian in Sydney
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  Speaker 14: with the same name as one of the shooters, and
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  Speaker 14: then using that to push this narrative of Pakistani's errorists,
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  Speaker 14: which is a narrative we hear from certain political factions
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  Speaker 14: in India, and that of course harms that that individual
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  Speaker 14: who has been misidentified.
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  Speaker 1: They're also you know.
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  Speaker 14: The the one of the victims who was injured, and
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  Speaker 14: then there's this AI generated photo showing him supposedly being
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  Speaker 14: a crisis actor. You know, that has an impact on
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  Speaker 14: that person. It was a real individual who was harmed
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  Speaker 14: in this event, So you know, there can be a
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  Speaker 14: real danger there when people are identified and targeted. Sometimes
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  Speaker 14: in the wake of events like these, there's this attempt
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  Speaker 14: to identify the shooters, which is done by people who
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  Speaker 14: are not experts in this, just trawling through social media
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  Speaker 14: finding people who may look similar or have the same name,
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  Speaker 14: and that can Yeah, that can put innocent people at
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  Speaker 14: risk if they're misidentified.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it's a massive issue. Will Barro and Clark
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  Speaker 1: Disinformation Research really appreciate your insights this morning on Herald. Now,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for your time. Now, if you've got anything to
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  Speaker 1: say about any of the topics, we're coming to Dave
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  Speaker 1: dot co dot nzre that is Herald now at Inzidherld
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: dot co dot nz. We always love to hear your
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  Speaker 1: feedback well. A tragic youth suicide cluster in Northland has
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  Speaker 1: highlighted serious gaps and how at risk youth are supported.
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  Speaker 1: A recent coroners in quest found that fragmented services left
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  Speaker 1: young people without a clear path to help, and it
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  Speaker 1: has set out a series of recommendations to stop it
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  Speaker 1: from happening again. Psychologists Sarah Chatwin is here to talk
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  Speaker 1: to findings. Look, thank you so much for being here
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  Speaker 1: this morning, Sarah. I mean this is a terrible case,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean effectively, these young people appear to have
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  Speaker 1: been lost in the system. Is this a Northern specific
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  Speaker 1: problem or is it more nationwide?
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  Speaker 15: Firstly, feelings and prayers go out to all the families
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  Speaker 15: who have experienced this kind of loss with the youth Ranguta.
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  Speaker 15: It is just such a tragedy having these beautiful people
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  Speaker 15: lost to us forever. But I do not think it
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  Speaker 15: is just a situation that is only in Northland.
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  Speaker 10: I mean we have.
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  Speaker 15: Seen these statistics rising over the years and you know,
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  Speaker 15: for all intents and purposes, People like myself and several
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  Speaker 15: others have been saying there is care in place, but
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  Speaker 15: there is no continuity of care. And clearly, when you
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  Speaker 15: see youth going before thirteen, fourteen to seventeen services to
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  Speaker 15: try and find the right kind of fit for them
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  Speaker 15: so that they are supported on their journey to mental wellness,
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  Speaker 15: this isn't working. There are a lot of services, nothing
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  Speaker 15: is resonating for these kids. So clearly there's a shake up,
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  Speaker 15: and the coroner made some really good suggestions in terms
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  Speaker 15: of getting continuity of care through a system that is
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  Speaker 15: transparent and that communicates yes.
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  Speaker 1: So, just to back up the truck a bit, one
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  Speaker 1: of the key failings it appears here is that where
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  Speaker 1: there were various agencies involved, but they were all operating
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  Speaker 1: in silos, there was a lack of information sharing, correct.
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  Speaker 15: No continuity of care. So yes, the right arm didn't
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  Speaker 15: necessarily know what the left arm was doing. And although
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  Speaker 15: I'm sure people went into these situations with the best
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  Speaker 15: of intentions, the care is just not getting through to
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  Speaker 15: the people who need it in a form that is
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  Speaker 15: acceptable and accessible to them.
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  Speaker 1: To what extent. A part of these issues, the lack
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  Speaker 1: of workforce, the pressures on the existing workforce and the
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  Speaker 1: inability to assist young people, or the being.
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  Speaker 15: Oversubscribed, absolutely, the lack of resourcing. People I'm sure in
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  Speaker 15: these positions are trying their hardest, but there are only
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  Speaker 15: so many hours in a day, only so much funding,
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  Speaker 15: So there are limitations across the board. And I think
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  Speaker 15: the coroner was quite rightly pointed out it out.
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  Speaker 1: And the you know that that recommendation essentially to bring
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  Speaker 1: together the agencies so we have a sort of central
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  Speaker 1: navigator agency. You know, how could that improve things and
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  Speaker 1: doesn't need to happen urgently.
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  Speaker 15: I think it does need to happen urgently, that would
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  Speaker 15: be the best case scenario. But you are dealing with
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  Speaker 15: a lot of people coming at things from a lot
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  Speaker 15: of different perspectives. You have people saying that this works
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  Speaker 15: for me, and that works for me, and that doesn't
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  Speaker 15: work for me. So there's so much information that we
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  Speaker 15: need to take on board. But far be it from
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  Speaker 15: me to suggest, you know, focus groups and think tanks,
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  Speaker 15: because we don't need that. We need action now because
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  Speaker 15: these statistics are just rising.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and can you just explain for our viewers this morning?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what are the sort of signs to look for,
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  Speaker 1: because from what the Koran has said, all of these
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: young people displayed similar issues. There was bullying, you're self harm.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: In some cases there substance abuse. So what do you do?
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: What do you do?
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: Well?
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  Speaker 15: Of course, you know, parents have to look at their
• 21:10
  Speaker 15: children and keep those pathways of communication open from the
• 21:14
  Speaker 15: get go. So if you are a parent and you
• 21:16
  Speaker 15: are finding that your child is exhibiting behaviors that are
• 21:20
  Speaker 15: alarming or concerning, if you see you know, cutting or
• 21:23
  Speaker 15: scarring or anything that makes you concerned about your child,
• 21:26
  Speaker 15: then as a parent you act. Then the child goes
• 21:29
  Speaker 15: to school and perhaps you know, the educators notice behaviors
• 21:33
  Speaker 15: and so they need to act. I think it's about
• 21:37
  Speaker 15: communicating and acting, and making sure that you don't just
• 21:41
  Speaker 15: communicate and not act, taking.
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: It to the next level.
• 21:45
  Speaker 15: And then perhaps you know, the teachers working in with
• 21:48
  Speaker 15: the people at the next level that may be the counselors,
• 21:51
  Speaker 15: and if there needs to be some acceleration, you know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 15: keeping a handle on those steps.
• 21:57
  Speaker 10: It just seems to be.
• 21:58
  Speaker 15: That people were putting the right services in at the
• 22:02
  Speaker 15: right time, or even the youth were they didn't feel
• 22:06
  Speaker 15: like they had a voice to say when they were
• 22:08
  Speaker 15: encountering the difficulties that obviously.
• 22:11
  Speaker 10: They have encountered.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean one of my observations is, you know,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: you have these coroners' reports, you have these big stories
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: on these tragic situations, and then everything just sort of
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: seems to go quiet. Yes, I mean what needs to
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: happen now to ensure that we actually get something in
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: place and it's not just talked about and recommended by
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the coroner. I mean who needs to lead that action?
• 22:35
  Speaker 15: Well, personally, I think the coroner was saying some really
• 22:38
  Speaker 15: influential and important things and they seemed to have a
• 22:42
  Speaker 15: handle on the need for this transparency, more communication, better communication.
• 22:48
  Speaker 15: So to me, that would suggest that many people, you know,
• 22:52
  Speaker 15: at the heads of these organizations need to be talking
• 22:55
  Speaker 15: to each other. Maybe we need to lock them in
• 22:57
  Speaker 15: a room to have a talk over a number of hours.
• 23:00
  Speaker 15: But after that time, you know, as consumers and with
• 23:03
  Speaker 15: these teams, perhaps we need to say there needs to
• 23:07
  Speaker 15: be some definitive decisions made, even if they're not perfect,
• 23:11
  Speaker 15: because what is perfect. You're dealing with a lot of
• 23:14
  Speaker 15: personalities here, these kids. We as they outlined the thumbnails
• 23:18
  Speaker 15: of these kids and what these kids were like seemed
• 23:21
  Speaker 15: beautiful children, but as you mentioned, they had been bullied,
• 23:24
  Speaker 15: they had been exposed to violence in the home or
• 23:26
  Speaker 15: in the schoolyard. There were so many things that came
• 23:30
  Speaker 15: into account. So the heads of these organizations need to
• 23:33
  Speaker 15: shake hands and make friends and talk about what needs
• 23:37
  Speaker 15: to be done so that they are all part of
• 23:39
  Speaker 15: a concerted effort to push down the same pathway, not
• 23:44
  Speaker 15: these splinter groups that in essence are working against each other.
• 23:48
  Speaker 15: And more than that, they are not working for the
• 23:50
  Speaker 15: greater good of these kids because they are still attempting
• 23:54
  Speaker 15: and taking their own lives.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're failing. Yes, the most vulnerable. So Chapman,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: thank you very much for joining us this morning to
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: give us some insights into this extremely transient I really
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. That was psychologists. Sarah Chatwin, thank you very
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: much for your time this morning. We're coming up for
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: a police deputy commission it Jeven Skimming has been sentenced
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to home detention for possessing child sex images. Victims Support
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  Speaker 1: Former Deputy Police Commissioner Gevin Mcskimming has been sentenced to
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: home detention after pleading guilty to possessing possessing objection and
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: or material including child sex abuse and bestiality imagery. Because
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: lawyer told the court he was overwhelmed by a pornography addiction. Well,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: victim advocate Louise Nicholas joins us now, Louise, thank you
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: very much for being with us this morning. You know,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: you spend plenty of time in court as part of
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: your job all the time. Did you think that the
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: home detention sentence appropriately reflected the seriousness of these offenses?
• 27:05
  Speaker 22: Good morning, Michael. I was really quite disappointed, to be fair,
• 27:10
  Speaker 22: I thought he would have got a custodial but he hasn't,
• 27:15
  Speaker 22: and that's how our justice system works, unfortunately.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, obviously in these situations there's a whole
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: lot of factors taken into account, right including his very
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: public full from grace, the fact that he his career
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: prospects will be significantly damaged. So are those factors that
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: the judge would have taken into account during the sentencing.
• 27:38
  Speaker 22: They take into account everything, and you know, the remorse has,
• 27:43
  Speaker 22: you know, going into prison, all that sort of stuff.
• 27:48
  Speaker 22: But at the end of the day, he shouldn't have
• 27:50
  Speaker 22: done what he did. And you know, there's a lot
• 27:52
  Speaker 22: more to this, and I think that people need to
• 27:55
  Speaker 22: understand that our issues around custodial and how that works
• 28:02
  Speaker 22: needs to be reviewed.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: So, you know, reviewed in what sense do you think
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: that the courts or the justice system is you know,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: letting letting victims down. I mean, you know your work
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: in court, you know, are you seeing that quite frequently
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: that you know, people are just being let down.
• 28:24
  Speaker 22: Let down in sentencings. Yes, you know, they take when
• 28:31
  Speaker 22: when somebody is sentenced like he has been, they take
• 28:35
  Speaker 22: him to account, you know, the report writer will do
• 28:38
  Speaker 22: a report on him, you know. And what I saw
• 28:43
  Speaker 22: in the in the news was that he was very remorseful. Well,
• 28:46
  Speaker 22: of course he's remorseful. It's oh woe poor me. It's
• 28:50
  Speaker 22: not actually about the victims in this sense. I mean,
• 28:54
  Speaker 22: there are children out there that he has helped him
• 28:57
  Speaker 22: doone the harm against them. Now for me that he
• 29:01
  Speaker 22: should be put on the child victims register, absolutely, But
• 29:06
  Speaker 22: they're not taking into account the harm of the children
• 29:10
  Speaker 22: that he watched being hurt in a violent, violent way.
• 29:15
  Speaker 22: That is wrong.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fair point. I mean, what does this
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: case say generally about the prevalence and ease of accessing
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: such objection and material.
• 29:26
  Speaker 22: Well, it just shows that anybody can literally do it,
• 29:31
  Speaker 22: you know. And I know that agencies right around the
• 29:34
  Speaker 22: world are fighting the best fight they can to prevent
• 29:38
  Speaker 22: these images being put out into the dark web, and
• 29:44
  Speaker 22: they're trying to prevent the children and even adults being
• 29:48
  Speaker 22: harmed in the way that they are. So it's a
• 29:52
  Speaker 22: horrible situation that the world is in. To be fair,
• 29:57
  Speaker 22: but I don't agree with his remorse. I think that's
• 30:03
  Speaker 22: you know, he got caught and he's hacked off about
• 30:07
  Speaker 22: that the fair So I'm disappointed, really disappointed.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: The reporting to his offending found he had an entitled
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: attitude and centered the impact of his offending on himself
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: and his loved ones rather than the victims in this case.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: So do you think that was quite an important factor
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and should have, you know, lead to a harsher sentence.
• 30:32
  Speaker 22: Essentially, I absolutely agree with that statement, Michael. To be fair,
• 30:37
  Speaker 22: you know, it's you look at his status in the
• 30:41
  Speaker 22: in the community. As you know, he was a higher
• 30:45
  Speaker 22: ranking police officer and again he did the worst of
• 30:49
  Speaker 22: the worst around the images that he was watching. So yeah,
• 30:55
  Speaker 22: he I think he should have been it should have
• 30:57
  Speaker 22: been a custodial sentence. And it actually makes me as
• 31:00
  Speaker 22: that you know, they were worried about him going to
• 31:04
  Speaker 22: prison because of who he is, you know that that
• 31:07
  Speaker 22: they are alone is Yeah, that's wrong on so many levels.
• 31:11
  Speaker 22: He's committed a crime and regardless of who he is
• 31:15
  Speaker 22: and what he was as a police officer. You go
• 31:19
  Speaker 22: to jail and you do your time. You know, don't
• 31:22
  Speaker 22: worry about the harm or the violence that I mean,
• 31:25
  Speaker 22: I'm not a violent person, to be fair, But what
• 31:28
  Speaker 22: happens in jail happens in jail. You just shouldn't have
• 31:30
  Speaker 22: done it, simple, Yeah.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: And Louise, looking at this case overall, what does it
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: tell you about the courage required for survivors to come forward,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: particularly when the accuser is in a position of power.
• 31:43
  Speaker 22: Oh look, it's you know, survivors, and this is this
• 31:47
  Speaker 22: is the whole damning issue, to be fair, Michael, is
• 31:50
  Speaker 22: the fact that you know, it has brought huge disrepute
• 31:55
  Speaker 22: to the New Zealand Police. But I do encourage and
• 31:59
  Speaker 22: we all cogil survivors of any harm or any any
• 32:02
  Speaker 22: victim of crime take the trust and confidence in the
• 32:06
  Speaker 22: police that have actually got boots on the ground doing
• 32:11
  Speaker 22: the work. And it's exceptional work for the majority of
• 32:15
  Speaker 22: the New Zealand police. So please don't be put off
• 32:18
  Speaker 22: with this. Please come forward and you will get the
• 32:22
  Speaker 22: support and help that you do need and moving forward, we.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Really appreciate your insights this morning. As always, that is
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Victim Advocate Louise Nicholas. Well. It is seven point thirty
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: one am and it's time for the news with.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Wendy Herold Now News Howard buying news Talk ZB.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Calls for a public inquiry into the police over the
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Gevin Mcskimmings scandal to build back public trust the disgraced
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: former police deputy commissioners facing nine months home detention for
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: possessing objectionable material. It follows a damning report last month
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: finding top cops ignored a young woman's anonymous complaints against
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: MC skimming wycut Our University Anna Marie Brennan says the
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Independent Police Authorities investigation was good, but a public inquiry
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: would uncover more.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: They have wider powers to conduct audits into more regularly interruptions.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: I'm ensuring as wise as there were a factive remedies
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: for harm doing by our police.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Officer expectations the GDP will bounce back. With the latest
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: figures out today, Statzenset is releasing their economic figures to
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: the three months ending September later this morning. Economists are
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: predicting GDP rows by between zero point eight and one percent,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: twice the Reserve Bank forecast are point four percent. New
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Zealand Herald Business Editor at Large Liam Dan says it
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: could be the start of the long awaited recovery.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: Manufacturing has come back into positive territory in the past
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: few months. Consumers have been a little slower to turn around,
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: but we may still see some signs at the retail
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: trade is starting to recover.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: A coroner has criticized christ Church Men's Prison over a
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: delayed response to an inmate's call for help leading up
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: to his death in twenty twenty two. Michael Bradley was
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: struggling to breathe in his prison cell when his salmate
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: raised the alarm for help, but there was a gap
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: of eighteen minutes before staff began. CPR Rosie Leishman has more.
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: Associate Coroner Dan Moore says while it's not certain the
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: sixty seven year old would have survived, the delay may
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: have contributed to his death.
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: He says it's a significant failure.
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: He's noted Corrections has since updated its procedures around in
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: sell alarms to reduce the risk of a similar death.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Two people have been airlifted to hospital following a shooting
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: in Gore. Police ambulance and multiple helicopters were called to
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: an incident involving a firearm discharge on Upper Ema Street
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: around eight pm last night. People were asked to avoid
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: the area. The ODT reports one persons in a serious
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: condition and the other moderate. A midweek Christmas be a
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: key factor and increased demand at Wellington Airport. It's preparing
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: for eighteen thousand passengers to pass through today, marking the
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: busiest day in the holiday period. Nearly half a million
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: travelers are expected over the next four weeks. Willington Airport
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Head of Operations, Matthew Palliser says people are taking a
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: few extra days off work to make the most of it.
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: You're expecting around four hundred and forty thousand seats in
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: total pieces of nineteen thousand international seats, which is up
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: four seat from last year in over three hundred and
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: fifty domestic seats.
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  Speaker 2: Gerald Now Sport brought to you by gold Sport.
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  Speaker 3: Men's World number one Carlos Alcaraz has parted ways with
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  Speaker 3: his longtime coach Juan Carlos Ferrera, and FIFA has announced
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: a fifty percent increase in prize money it will award
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• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Well to Russia, rand as peace talks drag on, Vladimir
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Putin says Moscow will certainly achieve its goals in the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: offensive in Ukraine. Those goals include seizing the territory it
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: claims it owns, although he'd rather do it through diplomacy
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: than by force.
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  Speaker 10: But you tell.
• 36:36
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• 36:52
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• 36:55
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• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Gerald. Now weather brought to you by you do it Kitchens.
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: Good morning. Still a little unsettled around the country. A
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: weak ridge does lie over most of us, but a
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: new front is approaching the Lower South Island that heads
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: rapidly north tomorrow with a cold at southwesterly in its wake.
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: So mostly cloudy here today, with occasional rain returning from
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: mid afternoon and spreading north in the evening. There'll be
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: lots of high cloud around here with a few spots
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: of light rain. Nor easterlies developed for all of Canterbury
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: this afternoon, staying dry though in Nelson cloudy periods with
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: the odd shower for the lower North Island. Those showers
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: will be mainly tonight. For Taranaki and for Tomernui that's
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: a little mixed here. Plenty of clear skies but also
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: the chance of showers. This afternoon could be heavy and thundery,
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: with hail for Gisbon until tonight and cloudy periods for
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: the Upper North with a few showers around. They should
• 37:55
  Speaker 9: clear for Auckland this afternoon with southwesterlies and a high
• 37:59
  Speaker 9: of twenty one day.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Grief you're watching Harold now. I'm Michael Mayra. Great to
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: have you with us this morning. Well, it's time to
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: talk business with our partners to degrees and details of
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the costs of the catastrophic fire at the International Convention
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Center in twenty nineteen have been thrashed out in court
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: and business desk is across it. And of course we've
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: got Garth Bray my dear colleague standing by, So what
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: has been revealed in court? What are those costs?
• 38:26
  Speaker 24: Yeah, some pretty interesting numbers. I suppose that we managed
• 38:28
  Speaker 24: to obtain from the closing submissions and all the documents
• 38:30
  Speaker 24: in the sort of ten week proceeding. I still haven't
• 38:32
  Speaker 24: had a decision yet, have to say, so it's still
• 38:34
  Speaker 24: waiting for the High Court to sort of decide on that.
• 38:36
  Speaker 24: But talking about Fletcher's was noting some extraordinary costs by
• 38:41
  Speaker 24: any measure, about one point one billion dollars too well
• 38:44
  Speaker 24: fix and finish after that fire. I think it talked
• 38:46
  Speaker 24: about having spent four point seven four point eight million
• 38:49
  Speaker 24: working hours before the fire and about nine point seven
• 38:52
  Speaker 24: million working hours after the fire to get it all done,
• 38:55
  Speaker 24: which is I mean someone was doing a lot of
• 38:57
  Speaker 24: work or at least charging for it.
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Massive. Now we've been talking a lot about milk prices
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: this week. Is Santa going to bring some relief?
• 39:07
  Speaker 24: Probably not in terms of in terms of a more
• 39:12
  Speaker 24: of a surprise, I think more of a coal lump
• 39:14
  Speaker 24: of coal in the sack there, to be honest. This
• 39:16
  Speaker 24: is because of the GDT four that we were talking
• 39:18
  Speaker 24: about yesterday and how that number has been heading steadily down.
• 39:22
  Speaker 24: We had some commentary there from Fonterra chief executive Miles Harrell,
• 39:26
  Speaker 24: who was talking to the countryes today saying they were
• 39:28
  Speaker 24: having a good look at the forecast and that they
• 39:31
  Speaker 24: might have to try and push down the spread potentially. Look,
• 39:34
  Speaker 24: the milk price is trading at the moment, or the
• 39:37
  Speaker 24: futures rather furid A trading about nine dollars ten down
• 39:40
  Speaker 24: from nine to seventy a month, Fonterra had cut its
• 39:44
  Speaker 24: forecast milk price into nine dollars fifty per cage of
• 39:47
  Speaker 24: milk solids, and I guess a lot of people are
• 39:50
  Speaker 24: now looking and saying, well, look, maybe could nine to
• 39:52
  Speaker 24: twenty be more realistic. If they're going to make a
• 39:55
  Speaker 24: decision on this, they might even make it in the
• 39:57
  Speaker 24: next week before Christmas, possibly even today, because there's just
• 40:00
  Speaker 24: been this sort of steady fall in those prices and
• 40:02
  Speaker 24: no sign of production letting up.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: A lot of the reports out sort.
• 40:06
  Speaker 24: Of suggesting the EU's bumped up its production about four
• 40:08
  Speaker 24: point two percent. US is up about three percent. Westland,
• 40:12
  Speaker 24: which is another big dairy processor here in New Zealand.
• 40:15
  Speaker 24: Peak production day in October apparently four point three million
• 40:18
  Speaker 24: liters of milk collected.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: In one day, exceptional start to the season.
• 40:23
  Speaker 24: Great, yeah, great, but also the break even price, the
• 40:26
  Speaker 24: point at which you're losing money for doing work is
• 40:28
  Speaker 24: about eight dollars fifty, so there's still fair bitter room there.
• 40:31
  Speaker 24: There's not the price signal to say hey, cut cut,
• 40:33
  Speaker 24: cut back, so people will still continue to produce and
• 40:36
  Speaker 24: just hope to sort of make up the games by
• 40:38
  Speaker 24: selling more.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, now this is an interesting one. The company that
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: was behind these infomercials for ladders and outdoor heaters is
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: in trouble over what it was telling people know what's
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: gone wrong.
• 40:52
  Speaker 24: Rather what it wasn't telling people. So this is the
• 40:54
  Speaker 24: TV Shop which does a stack of advertising through infomercials
• 40:59
  Speaker 24: on Telly, and they've been convicted of thirteen charges of
• 41:02
  Speaker 24: breaching the Fair Trading Act over about four years at
• 41:05
  Speaker 24: the District Court. We haven't had a penalty hearing yet
• 41:08
  Speaker 24: on that, so we don't know quite what penalty will
• 41:10
  Speaker 24: be landed on them by the Communis Commission. But basically
• 41:12
  Speaker 24: they were creating fake customer reviews. They were encouraging staff
• 41:16
  Speaker 24: to put stuff up for products they hadn't used to
• 41:18
  Speaker 24: get friends and family and on the game. This is
• 41:20
  Speaker 24: the evidence was shown, and they were also they had
• 41:23
  Speaker 24: a system whereby a one, two, or three star review
• 41:25
  Speaker 24: of a product by someone who'd actually used it didn't
• 41:28
  Speaker 24: get put up unless there was like a follow up
• 41:30
  Speaker 24: email and a process basically making it a higher hurdle.
• 41:33
  Speaker 24: So good news got through quick, bad news didn't get
• 41:35
  Speaker 24: through it all.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: So the whole rating system was completely fake based.
• 41:38
  Speaker 24: Well yeah, and so this is interesting, right because a
• 41:40
  Speaker 24: lot of businesses rely on review systems and comments and
• 41:44
  Speaker 24: social media stuff and that's part of how consumer makes
• 41:48
  Speaker 24: a choice. So I guess there's a bit of a
• 41:50
  Speaker 24: call out there to businesses to make sure they're onto it.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: They are also.
• 41:54
  Speaker 24: So they were saying basically this was a concerted effort
• 41:57
  Speaker 24: by the company rather than just you know, people getting
• 41:59
  Speaker 24: in and trying to do their best for the business.
• 42:01
  Speaker 24: They are also done for basically talent consumers that they
• 42:05
  Speaker 24: didn't have other rights to refunds other than the sort
• 42:08
  Speaker 24: of the thirty day money back guarantee and that kind
• 42:10
  Speaker 24: of thing, and saying that you know, making broad denials
• 42:12
  Speaker 24: of liability.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Are quite a concern. So that's a bit of a worry.
• 42:16
  Speaker 24: And there's some stuff about you know, free your bonus
• 42:18
  Speaker 24: items that you see thrown into these things also not
• 42:21
  Speaker 24: actually being completely cost free. So you went really getting
• 42:24
  Speaker 24: that great a deal?
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah right? I mean how much weight do you give
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: to these sort of five star reviews when you're looking
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: at products or looking at restaurants or because it is
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: something that everyone uses all the time, right, and sometimes
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: you do look at it and go, well, I'm just
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: not sure about that.
• 42:39
  Speaker 24: And it's I guess it's easy to I mean, it's
• 42:42
  Speaker 24: for a business that wanted to be misleading. It's very
• 42:44
  Speaker 24: easy to go out there and encourage your staff or
• 42:46
  Speaker 24: even to get like you know, buy reviews online from
• 42:49
  Speaker 24: places like five or whatever. Employee people to put stuff
• 42:51
  Speaker 24: out there. It's quite a lot harder to catch it.
• 42:54
  Speaker 24: But I guess this was obviously picked up on and
• 42:57
  Speaker 24: really drilled into by the commissions.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: So yeah, fascinating stuf. Yeah, and they've been hammered in court. Hey, Garth,
• 43:04
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• 43:05
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  Speaker 1: every day with our partner's two degrees. Well, the Black
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Caps and the West Indies start the Third Cricket Test
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: in Mount Mongerui this morning. New Zedand leads the series
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: one zero after a big win in the second Test.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Joining me now is ZBS sports journalist Andrew Ordison, who's
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: following every ball of the series. Well, Andrew, thank you
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: very much for being here this morning. New Zealand's had
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: so many injuries in this series, so who's actually left
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: to play?
• 43:37
  Speaker 25: That's a good question, Michael. It's been pretty drastic, that's
• 43:40
  Speaker 25: for sure, you'd have to say, with all those bowlers
• 43:43
  Speaker 25: going down. But we could even see it on the
• 43:46
  Speaker 25: debut today in the form of Northern Districts all round
• 43:48
  Speaker 25: the right armor Christian Clark. He's up against veteran left
• 43:53
  Speaker 25: ar orthodoxin AJS Hotel for probably that final spot in
• 43:56
  Speaker 25: the New Zealand eleven for the spinal match. Course still
• 43:59
  Speaker 25: alive rubber with New Zealand up one nil, but yeah,
• 44:02
  Speaker 25: just a debate over whether the pitch is going to
• 44:05
  Speaker 25: offer scene. You can probably see the ground staff in
• 44:07
  Speaker 25: action behind me as I speak with the role around,
• 44:10
  Speaker 25: et cetera, but it looks at relatively grain nearly, although
• 44:13
  Speaker 25: you have to weigh that up. There's been one plunket
• 44:15
  Speaker 25: shield game here between Eorthern Districts and auland and twenty
• 44:18
  Speaker 25: and the thirty one wickets in that game this season
• 44:20
  Speaker 25: were taken by spin, so including Kane Williamson twice, so
• 44:24
  Speaker 25: they have to give that some consideration. Agessptel hasn't played
• 44:27
  Speaker 25: a home Test since February twenty twenty and some hope
• 44:32
  Speaker 25: that he'll be able to keep that opportunity today.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So why hasn't aj played in New Zealand for
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: so long?
• 44:39
  Speaker 25: Well, generally New Zealand go in with that. What's worked
• 44:42
  Speaker 25: well for them over a period of time is that
• 44:44
  Speaker 25: for seeen one all round or spin all round a position,
• 44:48
  Speaker 25: You've had Glenn Phillips, You've had Mitchell Sander and Michael
• 44:52
  Speaker 25: Bracewell in that role, whereas the town seen is a
• 44:55
  Speaker 25: special spinner rather than an all rounder. So it's a
• 44:58
  Speaker 25: case of New Zealand wickets offering seam assistance in the
• 45:01
  Speaker 25: most instances. And that's going to be interesting to see
• 45:04
  Speaker 25: whether that's a conundrum perhaps for Tom Layton today ahead
• 45:08
  Speaker 25: of the toss.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: So what is the weather forecast? I mean, what are
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: the conditions like right now and what are we expecting
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: in the coming hours.
• 45:18
  Speaker 25: Look, it's beautiful here at Bayoval at the moment there
• 45:22
  Speaker 25: is some rain schedule, just just the odd shower from
• 45:26
  Speaker 25: the southwest coming across. There might be some soon and
• 45:30
  Speaker 25: in that instance, I don't think it's going to effect
• 45:32
  Speaker 25: play at all to any great degree. Michael. I think
• 45:35
  Speaker 25: it was coming across and to be done and then
• 45:38
  Speaker 25: we'll have play back on soyah expecting most of the
• 45:41
  Speaker 25: day's play starting to be an accent and especially over
• 45:43
  Speaker 25: the next few days as well, where the New Zealand
• 45:46
  Speaker 25: can wrap this series up towards the last test, wrapped
• 45:48
  Speaker 25: up inside three stays at the basin whether the West
• 45:51
  Speaker 25: of these can inspire themselves in this one. They did
• 45:54
  Speaker 25: have some good team celebrations in the interim after losing
• 45:57
  Speaker 25: that second test. They even had a secret scent where well,
• 46:01
  Speaker 25: I wish this was a case of ends in me
• 46:03
  Speaker 25: but one hundred UIs dollar cap on their gifts, I
• 46:06
  Speaker 25: think there was any This track suit that Ross and
• 46:08
  Speaker 25: Chases the Skipper received and he passed on some Prida
• 46:13
  Speaker 25: cologne to his teammate Jaden Seals apparently, so the Zeiland
• 46:16
  Speaker 25: enjoying themselves in.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: New Zealand absolutely fantastic. Now Cain Williamson has the chance
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: to finish his test career with ten thousand tests runs,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: No key, he's ever come close to that. What's he
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: need to do it? And will he get there?
• 46:32
  Speaker 25: Well, it depends how long he plays, Michael. It's got
• 46:35
  Speaker 25: plenty of opportunity. Well with this final Test here, there'll
• 46:37
  Speaker 25: be a Test against Ireland, three against England, two against India,
• 46:42
  Speaker 25: four against Australia in the coming twelve months. But it's
• 46:44
  Speaker 25: whether his body is up to it, whether he can
• 46:46
  Speaker 25: keep playing. I mean, we hope that that will last
• 46:50
  Speaker 25: as long as it can. I mean, it's got to
• 46:52
  Speaker 25: end eventually, but Williamson he'll certainly be on track for that.
• 46:57
  Speaker 25: You know, if he was to continue, probably by the
• 46:59
  Speaker 25: Indian series next year, and that would be achievable. But yeah,
• 47:04
  Speaker 25: it's just I don't think it matters to him, more
• 47:06
  Speaker 25: matters to fans just hoping he's going to stick around.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, and it's all over for Brendan McCallum.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: If England loses this one.
• 47:17
  Speaker 25: Well you think the pressure will be on, that's for sure,
• 47:20
  Speaker 25: and England have let that slip from their grass. But yes,
• 47:24
  Speaker 25: I mean three twenty six for eight Australia in Adelaide
• 47:27
  Speaker 25: in front of that almighty crowd fifty six thousand people
• 47:30
  Speaker 25: there and seeing Alex Carey score that center and effectively
• 47:34
  Speaker 25: arrest that advantage from their grass mean England's going to
• 47:37
  Speaker 25: have to have a monumental batting performance one would suspect
• 47:40
  Speaker 25: to be able to stay in this series.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: In Australia.
• 47:42
  Speaker 25: The advantage all with them at T nil up and
• 47:44
  Speaker 25: be able to get to that Telly yesterday. So youah
• 47:48
  Speaker 25: a lot of pressure on England, that's for sure.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Hey, Andrew Ortison, we really appreciate your insights this morning.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Have a great day and we'll catch up with you shortly,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: no doubt, Andrew Ordison, ZB sports journalist. Right, We're going
• 48:00
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• 48:03
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• 48:06
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• 48:11
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• 48:26
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• 48:28
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• 48:41
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• 48:48
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• 48:52
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• 48:55
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• 48:59
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• 49:03
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• 49:08
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  Speaker 1: to Herold. Now, while demand has grown for medium density
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  Speaker 1: us now, Grant, what is considered medium density housing and
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  Speaker 1: why is it so appealing to New Zealanders.
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  Speaker 18: Well, the appeal comes from lessening their costs through land prices.
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  Speaker 18: So basically what you're doing is you're building more residences
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  Speaker 18: per hectare on smaller landlots. So you talk about terraced housing,
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  Speaker 18: walk up to duplexes, those kinds of things. So traditionally
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  Speaker 18: where a site may have housed one home, that might
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  Speaker 18: where they might house ten.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a trend, right, we're seeing at the
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  Speaker 18: It has been for some time, and it's to do
• 52:29
  Speaker 18: with councils not wanting to expand the cities with the
• 52:32
  Speaker 18: infrastructure costs and those things. So building more homes closer
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  Speaker 18: to the center of cities, lessing transport burdens and infrastructure
• 52:39
  Speaker 18: costs and those sorts of things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and so what type of lifestyle is suited
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: to medium density homes well.
• 52:46
  Speaker 18: I think typically they're more affordable and that's been a
• 52:48
  Speaker 18: big thing in housing because you're paying less for the
• 52:51
  Speaker 18: land because you're not buying as much land. But certainly
• 52:54
  Speaker 18: we're seeing a lot of younger people coming through who
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  Speaker 18: you know very much are into their lifestyle. They don't
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  Speaker 18: want to be doing gardens, they don't want to be
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  Speaker 18: doing loans. They want lock and leave to some degree
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  Speaker 18: on their weekends, so they do suit. A lot of
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  Speaker 18: people retire university students of I think young couples quite often,
• 53:12
  Speaker 18: some people retiring when in a smaller home, not having
• 53:14
  Speaker 18: the yard to look after as much. But it's really
• 53:16
  Speaker 18: driven out of the cost benefit of lessening a land
• 53:19
  Speaker 18: price having high density per area of land.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, I mean New Zealand has in the past suffered
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: quite a bit with the developments when these mediam density
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: developments were sort of on the up. Is there any
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: risk or should we be concerned about another sort of
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: leaky homes crisis.
• 53:38
  Speaker 18: Any building built poorly or not designed well. With a
• 53:41
  Speaker 18: poor building will leak, that's simple, and that's all down
• 53:45
  Speaker 18: to design and the products used. Whether it's a standalone
• 53:48
  Speaker 18: home or whether it's a density home, but these terraced
• 53:51
  Speaker 18: houses and that have different requirements, and that's when New
• 53:53
  Speaker 18: Zealand's falling short. A lot of builders don't have the
• 53:56
  Speaker 18: experience of the knowledge how to design them both for
• 53:58
  Speaker 18: the occupants and and the living quality. They're on the
• 54:02
  Speaker 18: outside building envelope to be sound and we are seen savvy.
• 54:05
  Speaker 18: Many developers or builders are just driven by profit, not
• 54:08
  Speaker 18: by building great homes that will stand the test of time,
• 54:11
  Speaker 18: that are great to live in.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, And to what extent are those people who build
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: dodgy homes not being held to account by the regulators
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: in that sort of thing, Because isn't that part of
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: the problem around the building products the oversight of those builds.
• 54:29
  Speaker 18: You raise a very good point, and when you look
• 54:31
  Speaker 18: at the red tape and the costs of permits and things,
• 54:33
  Speaker 18: I think councils need to be doing a better job
• 54:35
  Speaker 18: and are often focused in the wrong areas. And I
• 54:37
  Speaker 18: could give you numerous examples of that that I've experienced myself.
• 54:41
  Speaker 18: It's not so much the building dodgy homes. You can
• 54:43
  Speaker 18: either build to the very bottom of the building regulations
• 54:46
  Speaker 18: or you can look to build a home you yourself
• 54:48
  Speaker 18: would love to live and or be proud for your
• 54:50
  Speaker 18: family to live in. Now many builders are just looking
• 54:52
  Speaker 18: to maximize profits and they're going to the very low end.
• 54:55
  Speaker 18: I'll give you one example of that. There is actually
• 54:57
  Speaker 18: no requirement in these buildings and this has become a
• 55:00
  Speaker 18: au recent the media to provide calling heating to a
• 55:03
  Speaker 18: certain level. The home must be able that you're going
• 55:05
  Speaker 18: to rent it from eighteen to twenty one degrees. There's
• 55:08
  Speaker 18: no requirement that I'm aware of that you actually have
• 55:10
  Speaker 18: to provide adequate calling. Now, unlike a house, a terraced
• 55:13
  Speaker 18: home doesn't have the cross ventilation, it doesn't have passive ventilation,
• 55:18
  Speaker 18: so it just goes without saying in the nature of
• 55:20
  Speaker 18: the way you're building them you need to provide calling
• 55:22
  Speaker 18: for those occupants in hot climates like Aokland for example.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally so, So how do you go about ensuring
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: that you have a quality build?
• 55:30
  Speaker 18: Well, I think again, you need to look to your
• 55:32
  Speaker 18: builder and ask some very good questions.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Who are they? What have they done?
• 55:36
  Speaker 10: Before?
• 55:37
  Speaker 18: You want to see projects that have done. Are the
• 55:39
  Speaker 18: occupants of those projects happy? Are they using what's called
• 55:43
  Speaker 18: an SPV, a special purpose vehicle where they actually build
• 55:46
  Speaker 18: under a company name and then close that company shortly
• 55:49
  Speaker 18: after doing the development. So again, are you dealing with reputable,
• 55:52
  Speaker 18: trusted brands or companies that you know are there to
• 55:56
  Speaker 18: stand behind you.
• 55:57
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Right, And if you're looking for a house, you know
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: on the house hunt, I mean, what are your tips
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: and tactics for assessing whether this house is you know sound?
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, as it just come down to making sure
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: you get a builder's report.
• 56:12
  Speaker 18: Well, Sadly, I've seen many builders reports that lack, so
• 56:15
  Speaker 18: I wouldn't always encourage that, even though it's a good start.
• 56:19
  Speaker 18: You know, you need to educate yourself and what's important
• 56:22
  Speaker 18: for you and a home Who that builder is, how
• 56:25
  Speaker 18: the home's being built, doesn't have.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: These requirements that you obviously need.
• 56:28
  Speaker 18: And I've said before on this program we do have
• 56:30
  Speaker 18: some information it helps consumers with that, and so yeah,
• 56:34
  Speaker 18: do your homework are both about your builder, how the
• 56:37
  Speaker 18: homes built, what products, what specifications, where the guarantees?
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Who can you go back to if you have issues
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: later on? You know those are all very Southium points.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Greg Portius DiDio Gardner Managing Director, really appreciate your time
• 56:48
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• 56:50
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  Speaker 1: it must be time to talk sport. Cam McMillan and
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  Speaker 1: Nathan Lim Hey, guys, thanks so much for being here
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  Speaker 1: this morning. Great to see you both.
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  Speaker 25: Now.
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  Speaker 1: The third Ashes Test yesterday in Adelaide, Australia on top
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  Speaker 1: after Alex Carry got that one hundred but should he
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  Speaker 1: have got it?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 31: Once again controversy in the Ashes Australia, you know with
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  Speaker 31: the last ashes, but a question of a moral high ground.
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  Speaker 31: It was Alex Carry again with a dodgy stumping on
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  Speaker 31: besto and he's at it again, this time caught behind.
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  Speaker 31: The English players referred it went up upstairs and then
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  Speaker 31: the replay showed that there was There was definitely a sound,
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  Speaker 31: but it happened way before the ball reached the bat.
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  Speaker 31: It turns out that the Snicko company actually got it wrong.
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  Speaker 31: They took the sound from the bowler's end and he
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  Speaker 31: admitted afterwards that he did hit it, He just didn't.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't walk.
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  Speaker 31: So it brings back the old controversy of do you
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  Speaker 31: walk in cricket or not?
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  Speaker 16: And I wouldn't have woke. I wouldn't have if I'm
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  Speaker 16: on seventy two in an ASHES test, I'd rather have
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  Speaker 16: an ASHES hundred than the moral high ground you're betting
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  Speaker 16: for your country. I don't blame him for not.
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  Speaker 1: Walking, absolutely, but I mean, what about the technology? How
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  Speaker 1: can you make such a mistake?
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  Speaker 31: Yeah, you'd think, I mean, apparently Australia is the only
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  Speaker 31: country that still uses this snicko technology. Every other country
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  Speaker 31: uses a way better technology, it seems. And you think
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  Speaker 31: when it happened, you think they would have thought, okay,
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  Speaker 31: that's obvious the sound has come from somewhere. The commentators
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  Speaker 31: thought it may have come from a creaky handle. But
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  Speaker 31: you think at that point the company should have realized
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  Speaker 31: or someone should have realized, well, it's obviously been an
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  Speaker 31: error here.
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  Speaker 1: So I kind of feel for the English.
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  Speaker 31: I would you know, if New Zealand a playing Australia
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  Speaker 31: this time next year it happened to the black Caps,
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  Speaker 31: I think we would be few men a bit. England
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  Speaker 31: had their chances as well, so that they probably could
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  Speaker 31: have taken some wickets earlier on as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Nathan, to what extent has you know
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  Speaker 1: technology like this helped or hindered the game? I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's a much more sort of complicated situation and we
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  Speaker 1: see it as well, you know, with all the different
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  Speaker 1: screens and reviews and sometimes is wrong calls, sometimes as
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  Speaker 1: right ones.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, I think people love to complain about it, but
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  Speaker 16: I think that this technology has greatly improved the accuracy
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  Speaker 16: of decision making. The reality is, if the technology is there,
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  Speaker 16: we see a decision that's wrong and it's human eraror
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  Speaker 16: we complain about why wasn't the technology used? And as
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  Speaker 16: soon as the technology has some sort of issue, we
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  Speaker 16: all jump on the technology and say why are we
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  Speaker 16: using it? So we can't have it both ways. And
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  Speaker 16: I think overall the impact of the drs and different
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  Speaker 16: systems in rugby and cricket and different sports has been
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  Speaker 16: overall positive and just eliminates those absolute howlers.
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  Speaker 1: You're always going to get some.
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  Speaker 16: Decisions that are a bit marginal and maybe they go
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  Speaker 16: one way, maybe they go the other way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 10: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Is this sort of last chance to learn for Brendan McCullum.
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  Speaker 16: I mean the pressure that he and Ben Stokes are
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  Speaker 16: under from the English media is immense. Australian media have
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  Speaker 16: just been absolutely taking the mac out of them for
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  Speaker 16: own the beach in between tests, so who knows. It
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  Speaker 16: could well be they've really struggled in recent times. They
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  Speaker 16: drew with India in a series at home before this,
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  Speaker 16: so look, if they get swept five and mill yet,
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  Speaker 16: could well be the end.
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  Speaker 31: I mean, could all have him today? I mean if
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  Speaker 31: they bowl out Australia in the first session and then
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  Speaker 31: England go out there and fail again, there'll be huge
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  Speaker 31: pressure on him midway through this Test.
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  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, now now just to the ends and
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  Speaker 1: Windy's I mean, well as Pa Tel you know, extraordinary player.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen him like absolutely smash it in Mumbai, So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: is he going to play today?
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  Speaker 31: Well, that's that's a big question that's either between him
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  Speaker 31: or given Christian Clark, young fast bowler at debut. It's
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  Speaker 31: a shame for Ages. It's such a great bowler and
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  Speaker 31: he just doesn't get the opportunity because we just don't produce.
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  Speaker 17: The pitches for spinners.
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  Speaker 31: But bay Oval is a pitch that in the previous
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  Speaker 31: years spin bowlers have got wickets, So hopefully it gets
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  Speaker 31: a chance the only question is whether players like Duffy
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  Speaker 31: has bowled a lot of overs in this series, so
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  Speaker 31: they should have confidence in the likes of Duffy, Michael
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  Speaker 31: Ray and folks to get wickets. But there is that
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  Speaker 31: concern of like, do they need an extra paste bowler
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  Speaker 31: just because of the workload that these guys have done
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  Speaker 31: going into it.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 31: I would love to see as to get a chance today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Nathan, do you think As is going to.
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  Speaker 16: Have a go or I would love to see him
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  Speaker 16: get a crack. He's got hundreds of wickets for New
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  Speaker 16: Zealand and domestic cricket, so he can take wickets in
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  Speaker 16: New Zealand. He, just as Camp said, hasn't really had
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  Speaker 16: that opportunity at international level. I know that when they
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  Speaker 16: looked at the pitch sort of yesterday, it's all been
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  Speaker 16: under covers, but.
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  Speaker 1: There was slightly more grass.
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  Speaker 16: It was a little bit more, a little bit softer
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  Speaker 16: than they were expecting, which might lend the conditions lend
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  Speaker 16: to paste bowling a little bit more. So they brought
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  Speaker 16: Ajs Patalon, I think to the squad thinking that the
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  Speaker 16: conditions might be a little bit more spin friendly. So
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  Speaker 16: maybe that gives Christian Clark more of an edge yet.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now this is our last sports panel of the year,
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  Speaker 1: and of course we always appreciate you guys coming in
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  Speaker 1: and your insights each and every week. But can you
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  Speaker 1: tell me, Nathan, the best sporting moment of the year
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 16: The best sporting moment of the year, I'll tell you
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  Speaker 16: the spoil your favorite. The sporting moment that had me
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  Speaker 16: jumping up and down and screaming at the TV was
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 16: Lequahala SEMA's triversus the Nights. After full time for the
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  Speaker 16: Warriors and about round fifteen if the Nral, the tenor
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  Speaker 16: boards boyds attempted field goal, charged down, bounces into the
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 16: bread basket of Halosima, who dodges six defenders and scores
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  Speaker 16: a try from forty minutes out to win the game.
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  Speaker 16: I'm supplised my landlords didn't kick me out after that
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  Speaker 16: because I was screaming for about thirty to forty seconds
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  Speaker 16: at the itally in my living room.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, fantastic, And Cam your favorite moment, I'd have to
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  Speaker 1: be Jordy b Mish when in the steeple chase at
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  Speaker 1: the World Athletics Champs.
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  Speaker 31: Especially to do it the way did it to be
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 31: like in six at the last jump and then to
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  Speaker 31: sprint outspread everyone to win gold. It was awesome, awesome
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  Speaker 31: to see out on World State.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fantastic. Hey, well guys, we really appreciate you.
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  Speaker 1: Guys analysis in time this morning, have a wonderful Christmas
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  Speaker 1: and we will see you, of course on Healed Now
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  Speaker 1: next year. That is of course. Sports journalists Cam McMillan
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  Speaker 1: and Nathan Limb from the Herald. Well, it is five
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  Speaker 1: minutes past eight and you're watching herold now. Good morning
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to Harold Now. I'm Michael Mora. It's Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: the eighteenth of December. On the show today, our GDP
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  Speaker 1: figures are out later this morning. What can we expect
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  Speaker 1: and why do they matter? Herald Business Editor at Large
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  Speaker 1: Liam Dan gives us all the latest analysis. A Petter
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  Speaker 1: is for life, not just for Christmas. The SPCA joins
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  Speaker 1: me with some golden rules if you're thinking of giving
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  Speaker 1: a kitten, or a puppy or anything else cute and
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  Speaker 1: alive to a love one this Christmas. Why some of
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  Speaker 1: us are still struggling to come to terms with five G.
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  Speaker 1: Six G is already the talk of the tailcoat industry.
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  Speaker 1: minutes past eight. Here's the news with Wendy.
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  Speaker 2: Herold Now News Howard by News Talk z'd be.
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  Speaker 3: Calls for a public inquiry into the police over the
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  Speaker 3: Geven Mcskimming scandal to build back public trust. The disgraced
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  Speaker 3: former police deputy commissioners facing nine months home detention for
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  Speaker 3: possessing objectionable material. It follows a damning report last month
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  Speaker 3: finding top cops ignored a young woman's anonymous complaints against mcskimming.
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  Speaker 3: Wycuto University Anna Marie Brennan says the independent Police Authorities
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  Speaker 3: investigation was good, but a public inquiry would uncover more.
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  Speaker 4: They have wider powers to conduct audits into more regularly
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  Speaker 4: intercruptions and ensuring his wise are there were factive remedies
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  Speaker 4: for harm doing by our police.
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  Speaker 3: Officer expectations the GDP will bounce back With the latest
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  Speaker 3: figures out today, stat Senset is releasing the economic figures
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  Speaker 3: to the three months ending September later this morning. Economists
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  Speaker 3: are predicting GDP rose by between zero point eight and
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  Speaker 3: one percent twice the Reserve Bank forecast of point four percent.
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  Speaker 3: New Zealand Herald Business Editor at Large Liam Dan says
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  Speaker 3: it could be the start of the long awaited recovery.
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  Speaker 5: Manufacturing has come back into positive territory in the past
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  Speaker 5: few months. Consumers have been a little slower to turn around,
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  Speaker 5: but we may still see some signs that the retail
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  Speaker 5: trade sector is starting to recover.
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  Speaker 3: A coroner has criticized christ Churchmen's Prison over a delayed
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  Speaker 3: response to an inmates call for help leading up to
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  Speaker 3: his death in twenty twenty two. Michael Bradley was struggling
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  Speaker 3: to breathe in his prison cell when his salmate raised
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  Speaker 3: the alarm for help, but there was a gap of
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  Speaker 3: eighteen minutes before staff began. CPR Rosie Leishman has more.
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  Speaker 6: Associate Coroner Dan Moore says while it's not certain the
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  Speaker 6: sixty seven year old would have survived, the delay may
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  Speaker 6: have contributed to his death.
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  Speaker 7: He says it's a significant failure.
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  Speaker 6: He's noted Corrections has since updated its procedures around in
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  Speaker 6: sell alarms to reduce the risk of a similar death.
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  Speaker 3: Two people have been airlifted to hospital following a shooting
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  Speaker 3: in Gore. Police ambulance and multiple helicopters were called to
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  Speaker 3: an incident involving a firearm discharge on Upper Ema Street
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  Speaker 3: around eight pm last night. People were asked to avoid
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  Speaker 3: the area. The ODT reports one persons in a serious
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  Speaker 3: condition and the other moderate. A midweek Christmas could be
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  Speaker 3: a key factor and increased demand at Wellington Airport. It's
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  Speaker 3: preparing for eighteen thousand passengers to pass through today, marking
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  Speaker 3: the busiest day in the holiday period. Nearly half a
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  Speaker 3: million travelers are expected over the next four weeks. Willington
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  Speaker 3: Airport Head of Operations Matthew Palliser. People are taking a
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  Speaker 3: few extra days off work to make the most.
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  Speaker 8: Of it, expecting around four hundred and forty thousand seats
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  Speaker 8: In total. It consists of nineteen thousand international seats, which
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  Speaker 8: is up four seat from last year, in over three
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  Speaker 8: hundred and fifty domestic seats.
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  Speaker 9: So mostly cloudy here today, with occasional rain returning from
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  Speaker 9: mid afternoon and spreading north in the evening. There'll be
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  Speaker 9: lots of high cloud around here with the few spots
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  Speaker 9: of light rain. Nor easterly is developed for all of
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  Speaker 9: Canterbury this afternoon, staying dry though in Nelson cloudy periods
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  Speaker 9: with the odd shower for the lower North Island. Those
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  Speaker 9: showers will be mainly tonight for Taranaki and for Tomernui.
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  Speaker 9: That's a little mixed here plenty of clear skies but
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  Speaker 9: also the chance of showers. This afternoon could be heavy
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  Speaker 9: and thundery, with hale for Gisbon until tonight and cloudy
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  Speaker 9: period's for the Upper North with a few showers around.
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  Speaker 9: They should clear for Auckland this afternoon with southwesterlies and
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  Speaker 9: a high of twenty one degrees.
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  Speaker 1: C had a good morning. You're watching Harold now. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Michael Mora Well. New Zealand's next GDP figures are out
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  Speaker 1: at ten forty five this morning and they'll give us
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  Speaker 1: our clearest read yet on whether the economy is finally
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  Speaker 1: turning a corner. Joining us now to preview what to
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  Speaker 1: expect and why it all matters is Harold Business editor
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  Speaker 1: at lunch Liam Dan Liam, the figures are out at
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  Speaker 1: seen forty five. So what are the economists predicting?
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  Speaker 32: Yeah, it looks like we will get a good number,
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  Speaker 32: you know, something really quite positive, which we haven't seen
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  Speaker 32: for a while in the economic news. So we could see,
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  Speaker 32: you know, somewhere between about zero point eight to one
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  Speaker 32: percent growth for the quarter. So that's that's a pretty
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  Speaker 32: big bounce considering that this is the third quarter of
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  Speaker 32: growth so up to the end of September thirty, but
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  Speaker 32: coming out of a terrible second quarter where we went
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  Speaker 32: backwards by almost that amount, So that would suggest, yeah,
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  Speaker 32: that the economy is in recovery.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's interesting. But also you know that going
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  Speaker 1: backwards with those previous revisions, one of the interesting things
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  Speaker 1: is that that those previous quarters are going to be revised, right,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: So why is that important?
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  Speaker 32: Well, GDP counting everything that happens in the economy is
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  Speaker 32: a big task, and so when they get it's sort
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  Speaker 32: of a provisional number. We get to be honest, and
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  Speaker 32: so that quarter, the second quarter may not have been
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  Speaker 32: as horrendous as we thought. Once it's all checked, double
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  Speaker 32: checked and tallied, and so we'll be looking to see
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  Speaker 32: where that second quarter was, and that means, of course,
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  Speaker 32: we have to bear in mind that the bounce, you know,
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  Speaker 32: it may not the third quarter. Even if the number
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  Speaker 32: is really strong, it may ultimately not be quite as
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  Speaker 32: strong as it suggests today. But so for that reason,
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  Speaker 32: you really want to look at the direction of travel
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  Speaker 32: with GDP and the GDP per capita. What's happening at
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  Speaker 32: it sort of a when we break it down by
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  Speaker 32: population growth and things, so those it's the trend, and
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  Speaker 32: that the trend should still be positive going into the.
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  Speaker 1: End of the year. Okay, So how meaningful is that
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  Speaker 1: for the average New Zealander in real world terms? Yeah?
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  Speaker 32: Yeah, I mean the economy to the average person is
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 32: what they feel, is their job safe, Are they starting
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  Speaker 32: to get ahead of the cost of living, those kind
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  Speaker 32: of things in a lot of ways. You know, it
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  Speaker 32: will depend on your circumstances, but it does create an
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  Speaker 32: environment where money is moving around. You know, business confidence
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  Speaker 32: and consumer confidence are coming back, and it sort of
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  Speaker 32: creates a platform.
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  Speaker 1: For things to grow.
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  Speaker 32: So I don't think people are going to be sort
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  Speaker 32: of shouting from the rooftops hoor ay there's an economic boom.
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  Speaker 32: Because you know, there is still cost of living issues
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  Speaker 32: and it takes a while for the wage growth and
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  Speaker 32: things like that to catch up and get beyond that.
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  Speaker 1: So that's probably something for later next year.
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  Speaker 32: But you know, it's quite good news going into the
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  Speaker 32: end of the year that at least that kind of
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  Speaker 32: that sort of it was a surprise slump. We thought
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  Speaker 32: we had the recovery this time last year, and when
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  Speaker 32: it sort of got pulled out from us in the
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  Speaker 32: second quarter, it really hit New Zealand's confidence, business confidence
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  Speaker 32: and consumer confidence pretty badly.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess maybe not for you and I going, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, everything's changed, it's wonderful, but certainly for the government,
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  Speaker 1: this is something that they will be very pleased about
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  Speaker 1: and we'll be through shouting it from the rooftop now.
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  Speaker 32: I would expect to hear the Finance Minister putting out
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  Speaker 32: press statements and doing a lot of talking today because
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  Speaker 32: this is good news compared say, with a couple of
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  Speaker 32: days ago we had that half year for skill update,
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  Speaker 32: which was bad news, which you know can be a
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  Speaker 32: little bit confusing, but can you break that down.
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  Speaker 1: For us, because you know, last you know, just yesterday
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: labeled saying oh well, the government's failed the economy, and
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: then we're expecting some positive news today. Well, for those.
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  Speaker 32: Following closely, we knew those halfier numbers were going to
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  Speaker 32: be bad because Treasury only updates every six months, so
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 32: their last update was May, which was at the sort
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  Speaker 32: of towards the start of that second quarter. You have
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 32: a terrible second quarter that affects the government's tax take.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 32: You know, the forecasts have to be revised down, so
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 32: all that stuff had to be put into that, those
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  Speaker 32: those halfier numbers. And the other thing to remember is
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 32: that the fiscal update is looking at some of the
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 32: structural issues in the economy. So what we get today
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 32: is kind of a cyclical signs of a cyclical turn.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 32: So that so that the top end of the economy,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 32: the bit that you know we deal with day to day,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 32: is starting to look better. Money is starting to flow,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 32: people are feeling more confident. The big issues like the
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  Speaker 32: deficit and the amount of debt we owe the world
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  Speaker 32: aren't going away. I just hope that, you know, if
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  Speaker 32: we do get a benign economy next year, that's when
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 32: you've got to grab the moment and.
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  Speaker 1: Deal with some of those bigger problems and so what
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  Speaker 1: are the key drivers that you'll be looking at today,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, consumption, government spending, exports. What are the
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  Speaker 1: key areas that would give you confidence that well, look,
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  Speaker 1: this is actually looking at relatively it of government of
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. It'll be in the industry sectors.
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  Speaker 32: We know from some sort of partial data that manufacturing
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  Speaker 32: has been picking up. Where it's been slow has been
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 32: retail growth because consumers have been making confidence. So if
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  Speaker 32: the retail sectors picked up, that's a good sign. We
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  Speaker 32: know the ag sector has been doing well off the
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  Speaker 32: back of export prices, so some of those things are
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  Speaker 32: probably baked in. But yeah, around things like retail spending, hospitality,
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  Speaker 32: all that sort of stuff. If that's starting to turn,
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  Speaker 32: that's good news for people and is.
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  Speaker 1: A good news because you know, GDP is key in
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  Speaker 1: terms of jobs, wages, everything else in the economy. It
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  Speaker 1: does follow.
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  Speaker 32: I mean, there's a lot of criticism of GDP is
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  Speaker 32: a number because it is such a big aggregate number
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  Speaker 32: and it doesn't, you know, describe what's happening to individuals,
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  Speaker 32: but it sort of sets a baseline. You know, it's
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  Speaker 32: a measure of all the activity in the economy and
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  Speaker 32: if it's growing, then that is a sort of a
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  Speaker 32: positive platform for everything else to follow, and if it's
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  Speaker 32: contracting the opposite. So I think the thing is in
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 32: context to look at it as, you know, a sort
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  Speaker 32: of a framing a trend that hopefully everything else flows
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  Speaker 32: from in the next year.
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  Speaker 1: And there is a bank will obviously be watching all
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: of this pretty closely. So what does it mean if
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  Speaker 1: we're if we're economies, you know, back in the green
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: side to speak, what does it mean for interest rates?
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  Speaker 32: Yeah, well that's where it's sort of a downside for
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 32: mortgage holders, because the better the economy gets, the more
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  Speaker 32: the reserve band has to look at the interest rate
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  Speaker 32: settings and go, oh, maybe you know, because they're currently
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  Speaker 32: kind of stimulating the economy, they are lower than what
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  Speaker 32: would be considered neutral. So if the economy is really strong,
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  Speaker 32: then the next moves like to be up, and there's
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 32: a lot of debate about when that would be, and
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  Speaker 32: you know, so we have to wait and see really
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 32: whether this bounce that we're probably going to get today
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 32: is sustained. And we you know, the lag means that
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  Speaker 32: we don't sort of see the fourth quarter of the
• 1:17:13
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, Liam Dan, thanks so much for being with us
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  Speaker 1: this morning and for your analysis as always, and of
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  Speaker 1: Well as Christmas and there's many key weies are considering
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  Speaker 1: bringing a pet home, but Animal Welfare Greer worn rush
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  Speaker 1: decisions can end in abandonment once the festive season is over.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me now is sbca's general manager of Animal Services,
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  Speaker 1: Corey Renegress Coal Corey, thank you so much for being
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  Speaker 1: here this morning. Why is it that this period makes
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  Speaker 1: people get pets and then they decide after a couple
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  Speaker 1: of days or weeks, we can't handle it.
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  Speaker 34: Yeah, I mean, I think we all have that kind
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  Speaker 34: of memory as a kid. Right now, it's that there's
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  Speaker 34: a lot of pressure. I've got two young ones at
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  Speaker 34: home under the age of five. Now, there's a lot
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  Speaker 34: of pressure that comes through from family, and we think
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  Speaker 34: that by giving somebody the gift of love from a pet,
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  Speaker 34: because they've got that unconditional love, that's a really good
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  Speaker 34: idea to give for Christmas present. The challenges is there's
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  Speaker 34: a whole lot of responsibilities that we do all know,
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  Speaker 34: but we tend to kind of just ignore a little
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  Speaker 34: bit when we're in the festive spirit.
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  Speaker 1: So what are those things that we underestimate in terms
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  Speaker 1: of pet ownership? We do just sort of think, oh,
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  Speaker 1: like this is going to be we'll go and get
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  Speaker 1: spot and it's going to be all cool runnings. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: And it really is.
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  Speaker 34: It comes out to time arguably is the biggest thing.
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  Speaker 34: You know, introducing a new pet into the household is
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  Speaker 34: really important to make sure that they feel comfortable, that
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  Speaker 34: the family settled. We also regularly as ki holidays, go
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  Speaker 34: out on trips, we go camping, we go out and about,
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  Speaker 34: and trying to introduce a new pet into the household
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  Speaker 34: when you're not around is a pretty challenging time period.
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  Speaker 1: So what exactly does the ESPCA regularly see around this period.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: Is it like, you know, the few days after Christmas
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: or the couple of weeks into the New Year, and
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  Speaker 1: is it dogs or is it cats, or it.
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  Speaker 34: Can be a range of anything. I mean, everybody's got
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  Speaker 34: kind of concepts. The other thing too with gifting is
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 34: that maybe that individual isn't necessarily set up for looking
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 34: after a pet. So while they might have been like, oh,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 34: you know, I've been really thinking about getting a dog
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 34: for the last couple of months and they might have
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 34: been talking to you about it, the home might not
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 34: be set up, you know, to make sure that they've
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 34: got water balls and feedballs and proper food and nutrition,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 34: any medications, ability to deliver on vet appointments. So it's
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 34: important to make sure that whoever is going to take
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  Speaker 34: on that responsibility understands what this is.
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  Speaker 1: Can you like foster a pit from the specia to
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: sort of try before you buy, so to speak, and
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  Speaker 1: work out if you're personally ready to take on such responsibilities. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is one of the great things about the holidays.
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  Speaker 34: Fostering is actually a really challenging time period for us
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 34: over the holidays. We've got some amazing dedicated volunteer foster
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 34: parents that work throughout the year to look after the
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 34: animals that we do have. They do like a break
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 34: as well, over the holiday season, so we do see
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  Speaker 34: a lot of returns that come back through into the centers,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 34: so we want to try to get them back out
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 34: into fostering. So if you're thinking about adding a new
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 34: pet to the family member or to the family, I
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 34: should say it'd be really great to give it as try.
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  Speaker 34: As you say, we cover all the expenses to look
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 34: after them during that time period as well, so it
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  Speaker 34: gives you the opportunity to see how they fit into
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 34: your family, your routine and is there something you want.
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  Speaker 1: To do a lifelong commitment for. Okay, and you know
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  Speaker 1: over this period as well. I mean, and I've got
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  Speaker 1: two dogs. They're pretty young. They're quite relatively annoying, I
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: must say, but we're co but you know, hot cars.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's a huge reminder as well, like you know,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: not to leave pits and cars, right.
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  Speaker 35: Yeah.
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  Speaker 34: Summer is our busiest month around the clock for everything
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 34: that we do with the SPCA. So we're in the
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 34: middle of kitten season now at the moment. So once
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 34: we go into the summer months where those longer days,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 34: cats that are out there that haven't been desex to
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 34: breeding regularly, so we're already slammed with that, we've got
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 34: our centers filling up with those and hot cores, unfortunately,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 34: is a reality that we see every year. We have
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 34: actually just recently had a death in the Auckland area
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 34: from heat stress and heat stroke after a dog that
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 34: was left in a crate in the back of a
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 34: ute during the day went out. So even when we
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 34: think there's good ventilation, it is amazing how quick these
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 34: vehicles and different containment units can get hot during the
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 34: summer days.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so can you give us some context when you
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: talk about animals being you know, returned to the SPCA
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: or people deciding around this time of year that they
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: can't cope. I mean, do you guys get completely overwhelmed,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: like do you run out of space? Know, and some
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: of your sites.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 34: Yeah, capacity is always a challenge for us, so we
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 34: try to really focus on what we're doing, which is
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 34: looking after the sick, injured, and the vulnerable animals. So
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 34: the healthy rehomes for the people that have just decided
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 34: that they don't want to have a pad anymore, isn't
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 34: the ones that we want to be bringing back in
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 34: because that does take up the space and capacity that
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 34: we really need to look after the animals that need
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 34: us the most, so it can be a challenging time
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 34: for us, but the team do a great job managing
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 34: and balancing both ends of that.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: Corey, you've got a couple of things here. What are
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: we talking?
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  Speaker 34: I do well, if you've got a if you've got
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 34: commitment issues over the.
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  Speaker 1: Holidays, or if you're really live, a pair of socks
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  Speaker 1: and dogs on. That's right.
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  Speaker 34: We do have the SPCA gift range, so you know,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 34: we've got Fido and Felix that might make a really
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 34: great addition to the family. They can also go into
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 34: a stocking stuff without any issues. And then you've always
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 34: got some other gift ranges like socks, so if you
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 34: want to support the SPCA, you can. I've got a
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  Speaker 34: pair for yourself. You might also be partial to cats,
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  Speaker 34: and I don't want Ryan to miss out, so.
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  Speaker 1: There's a pair of socks as well for you. Guys.
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  Speaker 1: Beys are lovely, Thank you very much, much appreciated. Hey, Corey,
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  Speaker 1: guys do great work at the SPCA. We really appreciate
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  Speaker 1: And it's your final couple of days mate.
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  Speaker 37: It is it is indeed make pretty exciting. I've been
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  Speaker 37: Not going to stop writing. One way to look at it,
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  Speaker 1: the major topics today. You will be very much missed
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  Speaker 1: from your colleagues here at the Hill. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: deep fake propaganda. Have we reached a new age of
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  Speaker 13: No?
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  Speaker 38: I haven't, but I can tell you one person who
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  Speaker 37: Fallen prey to deep fake propaganda that I know of?
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  Speaker 37: Oh goodness, well, there is a larger issue, there isn't
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  Speaker 37: there That the whole question of how we get information
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  Speaker 37: now has changed and changed and changed again. There was
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  Speaker 38: Like I said, buzzword right, road cones. We all hate
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  Speaker 38: It symbolizes work is being done. It symbolizes safety, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, simon, you would know about this. The narrative
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: seems to have been portrayed by our political masters that
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: road cones are the biggest issue in the country right
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: now and everyone's talking about it. Is that the case?
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  Speaker 37: You would argue that people have won elections, editions of
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 37: one elections with that slogan. It is extraordinary, Chelsea is
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 37: quite right. Road cones symbolize that works, the roads and
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 37: other construction work. The maintenance is happening, the development is happening.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 37: If you have a city or roads without any road cones,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 37: it means that money is not being spent to grow
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 37: the economy. So they are an important.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: Indicator in fact of good things happening.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 37: But they, of course they're disruptive. It's not the road
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 37: cones that are disruptive. It's the actual it's the construction
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 37: and the maintenance and the repairs and the expansion of
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 37: the roads and all that that is annoying. I think
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 37: what we have is a we've moved into a thing
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 37: where people don't like to be disrupted about anything. And
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 37: road cones are very visible because they're high vis by definition,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 37: and so people take it out on them. But we
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 37: need to kind of just dial it back around why
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 37: we have disruption. We have disruption for maintenance and for growth,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 37: for progress, right, for progress? Yeah, I mean as the
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 37: road code is.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: I mean surely there's road cones have in Australia and
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: other parts of the world that people kind of die.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 10: They hate them too.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 38: Don't get anything wrong, And.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 37: If there's an issue about too many road cones, it's
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 37: a pity issue compared to the larger question.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: Of you know, how are we developing.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 38: It's definitely like a look over their situation, right, like
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 38: we're doing something here but look at all these road cones,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 38: don't you hate them?
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: And people go, yeah, I see them every day.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 37: You'll point about driving thirty through an area where the
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 37: roads are being developed with road cones. If you drive
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 37: at thirty, you are not disrupted. Apart from the safety issue,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 37: which is important, you're also not disrupting the newly laid seal,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 37: which means it will last for longer.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: So it's actually economically valuable for you to do that,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: as well as the safety and safe and safe.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: But I always get beatt.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: That happens a lot more now. The SPCA always a
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: busy time of year for them over this period. You know,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: should there be rules to make it hard around you know,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: just buying animals and giving them to people. Have either
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: of you ever been given a live gift around this time?
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 37: Well, when I was a child, we put pested and
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 37: pested our parents to get a dog, and eventually we did,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 37: and then the poor dog was neglected because there was
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 37: always someone else's.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: Job to walk it, et cetera.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 37: I would say the rule ought to be don't surprise
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 37: anyone with a live animal. If you want to buy
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 37: a live animal for someone for Christmas, take them to
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 37: the specia, take them to the pittchhop where you're going
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 37: to get it, and do the whole process of do
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 37: I like this animal?
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's Chelsea.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 38: I grew up in a house where if we asked
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 38: Mum for a puppy or something, she would be like,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 38: that is a fantastic idea.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 7: So at one point, at one point, at one point.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 38: We had four dogs growing up, And yeah, dad did
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 38: a lot of work out the yard with the shovel,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 38: that's for sure. But no, I think definitely beating the dogs,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 38: not beating the dogs, just all the dog poo. Yeah,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 38: the dog poo, burying the dog poo. Four dogs comes
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 38: a lot of dog per a lot of fertilizer. But
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 38: I think getting a pet and saving a pet and
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 38: rescuing a pet is definitely the way to go. I'm
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 38: really glad that there's less and less animals and pet
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 38: stores now because there are so many beautiful pets that
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 38: need homes.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: I rescued a cat this year. Her name is April.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 38: It's been about six months and she's just warm to
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 38: me and she hates everybody else. But she was in
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 38: a rescue center for four and a half years. Because
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 38: she didn't have the biggest personality.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 10: She didn't go up to people.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: She didn't like the other cats, so she just hang
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: out by herself get made.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, no, one is fine. No, she eats eighty dollar biscuits.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 10: She's living. Yeah, but that's.
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  Speaker 25: Hey.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, always lovely to have you on the show. And
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, Simon, you'll be missed to have a wonderful
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: last Christmas. That is Chelsea Daniels, the front Page podcast
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: host and of course Simon Wilson. Herald senior journalists, thank
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: you very much for your time while it is eight
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  Speaker 1: thirty five, were a bit late to than news. He's Wendy.
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  Speaker 39: Harald Now news howard buying news talk z BE calls
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  Speaker 39: for a public inquiry into the police over the Gevin
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 39: mcskimming scandal to build back public trust the disgraced former
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 39: police deputy commissioners facing nine months home detention for possessing
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 39: objectionable material.
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  Speaker 3: It follows a damning report last month finding top cops
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: ignored a young woman's anonymous complaints against mc skimming. Why
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: cut our University Anna Marie Brennan says the Independent Police
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: Authorities investigation was good, but a public inquiry would uncover more.
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  Speaker 4: inter coruption. I'm assuring his vis a is for harm
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  Speaker 4: doing by our police officer.
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  Speaker 3: Expectations the GDP will bounce back with the latest figures
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  Speaker 3: out today. Stat Senz is releasing the economic figures to
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: the three months ending September later this morning. Economists are
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  Speaker 3: predicting GDP rose by between zero point eight and one percent,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: twice the Reserve Bank forecast of point four percent. New
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: Zealand Herald Business Editor at large Liam Dan says it
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: could be the start of the long awaited recovery.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: Manufacturing has come back into positive territory in the past
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: few months. Consumers have been a little slower to turn around,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: but we may still see some signs that the retail
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: trade sector is starting to recover.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: A coroner has criticized christ Churchmen's Prison over a delayed
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: response to an inmates call for help leading up to
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: his death in twenty twenty two. Michael Bradley was struggling
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: to breathe in his prison cell when his salmate raised
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: the alarm for help, but there was a gap of
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: eighteen minutes before staff began CPR Rosie Leishman has.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 6: Associate Coroner Dan Moore says while it's not certain the
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 6: sixty seven year old would have survived, the delay may
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 6: have contributed to his death.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 7: He says it's a significant failure.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 6: He's noted Corrections has since updated its procedures around in
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: sell alarms to reduce the risk of a similar death.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: Two people have been airlifted to hospital following a shooting
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: in Gore. Police ambulance and multiple helicopters were called to
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: an incident involving a firearm discharge on Upper Ema Street
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: around eight pm last night. People were asked to avoid
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: the area. The ODT reports one person is in a
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: serious condition and the other moderate. A midweek Christmas could
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: be a key factor and increased demand at Wellington Airport.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: It's preparing for eighteen thousand passengers to pass through today,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: marking the busiest day in the holiday period. Nearly half
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: a million travelers are expected over the next four weeks.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: Willington Airport Head of Operations, Matthew Palliser says people are
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: taking a few extra days off work to make the
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: most of it.
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  Speaker 8: On hundred and forty thousand seats in total of nineteen
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  Speaker 8: thousand international seats, which is up sea from last year
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  Speaker 8: and over three hund and fifty domestic seats.
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  Speaker 10: Well.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks to our partners at two degrees are major shift
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: is underway and how how New Zealand stays connected. With
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: three G being phased out, four G and five G
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: networks are now doing the heavy lifting, but the next
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: step is all already taking shape, with satellite based mobile
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: coverage on the horizon and the groundwork for six G
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: being laid globally. Well, I'm joined now by Chief Technology
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: Officer for to two degrees, Stephen Kje. Thank you very
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: much for being with us this morning. Steve. So just
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: first of all, I mean three G is on its
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: way out. Why have we got to this point to
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: say goodbye to three G? It seems like a long
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: time ago, right when three G came out.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 33: Yeah, three G was here in the early two thousands,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 33: before the first smartphone was really launched, but before the iPhone.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 33: So it was great for its mobile k of basic connectivity,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 33: but it's not really suited for today's modern era. And importantly,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 33: the spectrum that's used for three G can be repurposed
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 33: into the four gen five G network, making it more
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 33: reliable and better serving our customers.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, so most devices right now either on the four
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: G and five G, but now we're talking about six G.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 33: Can you just explain what's kind of going on. Yeah,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 33: there's a lot of generation. So yeah, three G shutting off,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 33: So we're shutting that off right now, but we do
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 33: urge customers to check. So there are still three G
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 33: only handsets out there in New Zealand, a really small
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 33: amount of them, so customers and as an industry things
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 33: so it's not just two degrees. You can text three
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 33: G to five to five zero and that'll tell you
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 33: whether you've got a compatible phone or not. Some of
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 33: it needs like a handset change, others is a setting change,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 33: so best to text that. For our business customers, they
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 33: can log into a portal called flex to check that.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 33: So really important because that's happening over the next month
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 33: or two. Three G shutting down and that spectrum can
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 33: then go into the newer networks and six G is
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 33: what's coming next. It's kind of the next generation, which
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 33: is probably still ten years away. That's a long time.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 33: But what's coming next year is around satellite, so a
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 33: really fascinating area. We've been investing in five G on
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 33: the ground and we're just investing in our satellite technology
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 33: now to have what would bitter ubiquitous connectivity around the country.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, and so how would that actually work? I mean,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: is it's essentially like a Starlink type thing as opposed
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: to being sort of ground based.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 33: Yeah, that's right, So you can think of it like
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 33: a cell tower in the sky. So Starlink's been great.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 33: It's been here for a while as a broadband service.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 33: So a dish on the ground connecting to a satellite
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 33: in the sky, providing the equivalent of like a basic
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 33: fiber service or a fixed wireless access. So it's been
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 33: happening for a few years. What's changed is this concept
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 33: of a direct from your handset direct to a satellite.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 33: So an unmodified handset talking to a satellite five hundred
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 33: kilometers up in the sky.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 10: Wow.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: So so at some point, you know, the big cell
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: towns that we see around the country and on the streets,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: will they eventually just not exist? Could we get rid
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: of them? Is that where we're going maybe?
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 33: Yeah, it's an interesting question, and that's what we've thought
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 33: about for a long time as well. What is the
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 33: future of this. But we see it as quite complementary.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 33: So you can't beat the laws of physics, really hard
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 33: engineering problems to solve. So we partner with a company
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 33: called ast Space Mobile. They've launched these really big satellites
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 33: up in the sky, the size of a tennis court basically,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 33: so you've got a hand set talking directly to satellites,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 33: and we see it's complementary. So you still have your
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 33: ground stations, you get your satellites in the sky that
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 33: are serving like a saltar in the sky and we're
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 33: in the middle of actually building this at the moment.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 33: So we're investing in a ground station in New Zealand
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 33: that connects to the satellites in the Munuwatu. That's something
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 33: that we own and control and we're hoping sort of
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 33: midnext year will have a service launching which will be data,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 33: voice and text and really important around different use cases.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 33: Consider a lot of our industries like farmers and loan
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 33: workers that go out to site that need connectivity and
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 33: be able to use their normal apps to stay safe,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 33: mission critical networks, emergency scenarios and many many like that.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: Because there are still quite a few gaps right, so
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: this would this would provide a much more consistent, reliable system.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 33: Yeah, so typically we build our ground networks close to
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 33: population and there are areas that we do in rural
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 33: as well obviously, but this will provide ubiquitous connectivity across
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 33: the country. And yeah, we see we see it as
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 33: a great solution. I think it'll be valued by a
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 33: few people. Not everyone will probably want it. I know
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 33: my kids, if I go out on a hike, may
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 33: not want to be connected. But I think it's that
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 33: safety blanket you have, and there are areas like search
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 33: and rescue and others that would really value the service.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: And is there going to be a chance for people
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: to try this out for free.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 33: Yeah, so we have a few things. So right now,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 33: this is the other part of what's changed in mobiles.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 33: You can get the thing called an esum, so it's
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 33: really easy to trail on network. So on two degrees
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 33: you can troil our network. Just search for two Degrees
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 33: network trial. You can troil that and get fifteen goog
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 33: bytes of data today to try out our network. Rather
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 33: than me talk about it, just try it and then
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 33: next year when we launch satellites, there'll be similar things coming.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: I think that's fantastic. Stevej Sorry, our chief technology officer
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: from two Degrees, really appreciate your insights. And ye great
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: this morning on here, thank you for time. Well right,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: coming up, we've got Jill Jurard, the actor best known
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: for playing sci fi hero Buck Rogers in the nineteen eighties,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: has died aged eighty two. Jared was the star of
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: the hit TV series Buck Rogers in the twenty fifth century,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: which turned him into a pop culture icon during the
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: Golden Age of science fiction television. On screen, he was
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: joined by his road obot's sidekick TWiki and space pilot
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: Wilma Daring played by Aaron Gray. The series ran for
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: three years and was followed by a movie on this
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: and that doesn't quite make sense. So whoever wrote that
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: the actors family say Jared died after a brief battle
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: with cancer, Well, it's time to do a business with
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: our partner's two degrees. And Garth Brave from business desk
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: is joined and back with us. What's what's happening?
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 24: He came back to this big splash we were talking
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 24: about the farmgate North christ earlier, which is basically the
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 24: payout forecast that Fonterra has for its farmer shareholders for
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 24: what they're making huge impact on the New Zealand economy.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 24: They have announced the cut to that forecast payout quite
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 24: a steep one. Actually, they're now picking nine dollars for
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 24: the season, which is down from nine dollars fifty, which
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 24: they cut from ten dollars less than a month ago.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 24: So this is quite a steep move.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of the.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 24: Market was sort of seeing more like about a nine
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 24: to twenty or a nine to ten to put that
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 24: in context. When the price went up fifty cents last year,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 24: that was basically talked about as a billion dollars into
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 24: the economy. So if you see that we've had two
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 24: fifty cent cuts in a pretty cinema period, that's quite
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 24: a lot that effectively has just been taken out of
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 24: a projection of what's been taken out of the economy
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 24: based on what we're talking about, huge amounts of production.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: I think Miles Horrell.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 24: Saying that with half the season he's the CEO of
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 24: Fonterra with half the season still to complete, you know,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 24: they're seeing strong milk flows from New Zealand and globally,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 24: so there's obviously just a lot of product out there
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 24: and no sign of that debating because the prices have
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 24: held out until now. And then the dollar, our dollar
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 24: has sort of picked up a little bit, possibly, you know,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 24: off the back of some of those OCR announcements and
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 24: so on and the strong talk from the Reserve Bank governor.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 24: But you know, a range of factor is obviously always
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 24: affecting currencies, so he's blaming the dollar basically and saying
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 24: that they're required to further adjust the forecast range. So
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 24: they've shifted the range for it was nine to ten
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 24: dollars per kilo, and now it's gone down to eight
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 24: fifty to nine fifty. They're saying it's still within the
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  Speaker 24: that's you know, that's not necessarily a good.
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  Speaker 1: Thing for farmers with the economy. No, absolutely not a
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Herold now, Michael Mora. Well it's time
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  Speaker 1: to see you as usual. Mate. Now what are the
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: top picks for fruit and vegetables this coming Christmas?
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  Speaker 10: I'm going to throw that at you.
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  Speaker 35: What do you think the best vegetable buy its most
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  Speaker 35: popular boys are for Christmas week?
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  Speaker 10: Because we've got the data from last year.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go cornea asparagus.
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  Speaker 35: Okay, well Number one's potatoes potatoes, new season egrety has started.
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  Speaker 35: And then we've got the lovely you know, pearlas, the
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 35: Golden Gormeze, the juicy beanies.
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  Speaker 10: It's only a short season six weeks so they are available.
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  Speaker 35: The peccilos, you've got all those, so that's number one.
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  Speaker 35: Number two is tomatoes. And then you've got loose tomatoes.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 35: You've got your cherries and your and your and your
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 35: sealad campari over there. And and however, over the over
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 35: the years, salads and slows, Michael, they've taken off, you know,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 35: like these.
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  Speaker 10: Things, the rocket slore.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we buy a lot of them.
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  Speaker 10: Love taken off. So that's number three.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: And to add to a salad or just like that.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 10: Yes, that's right.
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  Speaker 35: So you've got this, you've got the salads, and you've
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 35: got the slaws. And interesting enough, I was going to
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 35: ask you what the number one single item was.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 10: And you've already said it.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's corns corn.
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  Speaker 35: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: So and the good news is it started literally so
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 10: so so the single the single.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 35: Most most popular line is and and so you'll get
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 35: some good prices on those next week.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: And coming up, got on the barbecue as well. You
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: can just strap the husks off and tuck them on there.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing quite like sweet corn at Christmas time.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: It seems to be the best, best time when the
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: best produce, you know, finally it turns up.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 10: It finally turns up. And we've had we've had pretty
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 10: good spring.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 35: We had a few problems here with a bit of
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 35: plan team, but it's it's you know, it's here now
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 35: and it's available in summer. And just behind sweet corn
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 35: is telegraph cucumbers. So so the good news is we've
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 35: got plenty of produce this summer and Christmas, and that's great.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 35: And new season stuff like your sweet corn, your watermelon,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 35: your New Zealand beans and your stone fruit Michael all
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 35: they've all come in earlier this year, right, so it's great.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: And and so what about fruit? Yeah, froat and and oh.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, we've got a platter there for you here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what's number one fruit, Michael Populist from last blueberries?
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 35: Well, okay, so berries and cherries okay, so they just
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 35: ride up there. So again, good cheerry season this year
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 35: coming you know from Central I Tago. We've had Hawks
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 35: Bay for a few weeks. We've got malbor there and berries,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 35: as you say, plenty of blueberries, strawberries, you know, gonna
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 35: have enough strawberries and the price sort of goes up
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 35: towards Christmas. Raspberries as well, they get in very heavy demand.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: So there are enough straw Is there enough strawberries? Like
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: the the is it sort of consistent. So what happens
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: because the souper markets always get hammered, right.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 13: I know.
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  Speaker 35: So everybody wants strawberries, right, and cherries. There's enough cherries strawberries,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 35: you know, the closer you get to Christmas Day, the
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 35: demand just gets so insane and the prices go up,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 35: and so you know, you've got the whole fear of
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 35: missing out, for example, so so time you're shopping, right,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 35: but there will be enough and.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 10: So so on the fruit.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 35: Now there's one single fruit though that that's that is
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 35: that is the biggest seller.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 10: Do you know do you know what that would be?
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm seeing you banana next to me? Is it
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: really banana? You would have guessed that, right, you know,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't know it's a banana, humble banana.
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  Speaker 35: It's still number one Christmas week really, yes, but you
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 35: gren't really surprises. But your group cherries and stone fruit together,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 35: and of course you berries that they smash it.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 10: And another another.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 35: Fruit and great supply is evocados and that's in demand.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: There seems to be ample them around correct, yes this year.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 35: And and in grapes, grapes Michael that they are a
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 35: good seller at Christmas. So we finish off the American
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 35: and Peru season now and we have a bit of
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 35: a gap untol the Australian season, so prices of grapes
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 35: will will probably be quite high.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: Okay. And what about sort of exostic items, ones that
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: you know, very seasonable that we don't often grow or
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: get in New Zealand.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 10: Actually that's a very good point. Mangoes. Mangoes is a
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 10: big sell for Christmas. That comes in at number five.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and so like, so where are most of
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: the mangoes came.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 35: Well at the moment they're coming out from Australia, We've
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 35: got we've got some cut in front of you that
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 35: are to eto if you've tried those help well. And
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 35: pineapples of course, you know there's plenty of those this
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 35: year from the Philippines.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: And what's it been? I mean, you know, has it
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: been a tough season for growers? I mean, are the
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: cyclone Gabrielle done and hawks? But I mean there's still
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: issues from that, there is.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 35: But we're bounce back, you know, and Yummy Apples always
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 35: says like, you know, we're a resilient bunch, so we
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 35: have bounced back. But yes, we've had a couple of
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 35: tough times in the last few years, so we wanted
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 35: to thank you our growers in horticulture New Zealand. Last
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 35: last question for you, sir. How many commercial growers are
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 35: there in New Zealand. So we're talking the big, big
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 35: ones in the small the small fellas commercial growers that
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 35: are growing that are under Umbrella.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: Two d and fifteen. It's over four thousand, four thousand.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 35: Yes, Okay, you've got all these little avocado growers and
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 35: Kiwi fruit growers and all that sort of thing.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 10: So anyway, Michael, plenty of fruit and veg this Christmas.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fantastic. Yeah, and thank you very much for
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: being in here and giving us the latest on what hot,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: what's hot, and what's not. We really appreciate it. That
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: is Greg forsythe our very own Chris Glenn, Glenn forsythe
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: sorry about that, Glenn, Thank you very much for you
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: this morning.
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  Speaker 16: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Warner Brothers Discovery has rejected a takeover bid from Paramount,
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  Speaker 1: a tragic youth suicide cluster in Northland has highlighted serious
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  Speaker 1: gaps and how at risk youth are supported. A recent
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  Speaker 1: Corners in quest found that fragmented services left young people
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  Speaker 1: asking her whether this problem is specific to Northland or
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  Speaker 1: a wider national issue.
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  Speaker 15: Feelings and prayers go out to all the families who
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  Speaker 15: have experienced this kind of loss with the youth Rangatahi.
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  Speaker 15: It is just such a tragedy having these beautiful people
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  Speaker 15: lost to us forever. But I do not think it
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  Speaker 15: is just a situation that is only in Northland. I mean,
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  Speaker 15: we have seen these statistics rising over the years, and
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  Speaker 15: you know, for all intents and purposes, people like myself
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  Speaker 15: and several others have been saying there is care in place,
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  Speaker 15: but there is no continuity of care, and clearly when
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  Speaker 15: you see youth going before thirteen, fourteen to seventeen services
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  Speaker 15: to try and find the right kind of fit for
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 15: them so that they are supported on their journey to
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  Speaker 15: mental wellness.
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  Speaker 10: This isn't working.
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  Speaker 15: There are a lot of services, nothing is resonating for
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 15: these kids. So clearly there's a shake up, and the
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 15: coroner made some really good suggestions in terms.
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  Speaker 10: Of getting.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 15: Continuity of care through a you know, a system that
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 15: is transparent and that communicates yes.
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  Speaker 1: So just to back up the truck a bit. One
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: of the key failings it appears here is that there
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: were various agencies involved, but they were all operating in silos.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: There was a lack of information sharing, correct.
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  Speaker 10: No continuity of care.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 15: So yes, the right arm didn't necessarily know what the
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 15: left arm was doing. And although I'm sure people went
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 15: into these situations with the best of intentions, the care
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 15: is just not getting through to the people who need
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 15: it in a form that is acceptable and accessible to
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 15: them to what extent.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: A part of these issues the lack of workforce, the
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: pressures on the existing workforce and the inability to assist
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: young people or being oversubscribed.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 15: Absolutely, the lack of resourcing people I'm sure in these
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 15: positions are trying their hardest, but there are only so
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 15: many hours in a day, only so much funding, so
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 15: there are limitations across the board. And I think the
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 15: coroner was you know, quite rightly pointed that out.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: And then you know that recommendation essentially to bring together
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: the agencies so we have a sort of central navigator agency.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: You know, how could that improve things? And doesn't need
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: to happen urgently.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 15: I think it does need to happen urgently, that would
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 15: be the best case scenario. But you are dealing with
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 15: a lot of people coming at things from a lot
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 15: of different perspectives. You have people saying that this works
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 15: for me, and that works for me, and that doesn't
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 15: work for me. So there's so much information that we
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 15: need to take on board. But far be it from
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 15: me to suggest, you know, focus groups and think tanks,
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 15: because we don't need that. We need action now because
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 15: these statistics are just rising.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and can you just explain for our viewers this morning,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, what are the sort of signs to look for,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: because from what the Kurner has said, all of these
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: young people displayed similar issues. There was bullying, you're self harm,
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: in some cases there was substance abuse. So what do
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: you do? What do you do?
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 15: Well, of course, you know, parents have to look at
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 15: their children and keep those pathways of communication open from
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 15: the get go. So if you are a parent and
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 15: you are finding that your child is exhibiting behaviors that
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 15: are alarming or concerning, if you see you know, cutting
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 15: or scarring or anything that makes you concerned about your child,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 15: then as a parent you act. Then the child goes
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 15: to school and perhaps you know, the educators notice behaviors
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 15: and so they.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 26: Need to act.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 15: I think it's about communicating and acting, and making sure
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 15: that you don't just communicate and not act, taking.
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  Speaker 10: It to the next level.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 15: And then perhaps you know, the teachers working in with
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 15: the people at the next level that may be the counselors,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 15: and if there needs to be some eccess, you know,
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 15: keeping a handle on those steps. It just seems to
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 15: be that people weren't putting the right services in at
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 15: the right time, or even the youth were. They didn't
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 15: feel like they had a voice to say when they
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 15: were encountering the difficulties that obviously they have encountered.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, one of my observations is you know,
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: you have these coroners' reports, you have these big stories
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: on these tragic situations, and then everything just sort of
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: seems to go quiet. Yes, I mean what needs to
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: happen now to ensure that we actually get something in
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: place and it's not just talked about and recommended by
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: the coroner. I mean who needs to lead that action?
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  Speaker 15: Well, personally, I think the coroner was saying some really
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 15: influential and important things, and they seemed to have a
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 15: handle on the need for this transparency, more communication, better communication.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 15: So to me, that would suggest that many people, you know,
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 15: at the heads of these organizations need to be talking
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 15: to each other. Maybe we need to lock them in
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 15: a room to have a talk over a number of hours.
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  Speaker 15: But after that time, you know, as consumers and with
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 15: these teams, perhaps we need to say there needs to
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 15: be some definitive decisions made, even if they're not perfect,
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 15: because what is perfect. You're dealing with a lot of
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 15: personalities here. These kids, as we as they outlined the
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 15: thumbnails of these kids and what these kids were like,
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 15: seemed beautiful children. But as you mentioned, they had been bullied,
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 15: they had been exposed to violence in the home or
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 15: in the schoolyard. There were so many things that came
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 15: into account. So the heads of these organizations need to
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 15: shake hands and make friends and talk about what needs
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 15: to be done so that they are all part of
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 15: a concerted effort to push down the same pathway, not
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 15: these splinter groups that in essence are working against each other.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 15: And more than that, they are not working for the
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 15: greater good of these kids because they are still attempting
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 15: and taking their own lives.
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  Speaker 4: doing by our police officers?
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  Speaker 3: Expectations the GDP will bounce back with the latest figures
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  Speaker 3: out today. Statsenset is releasing the economic figures to the
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  Speaker 3: three months ending September later this morning. Economists are predicting
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  Speaker 3: GDP rose by between zero point eight and one percent,
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  Speaker 3: twice the Reserve Bank forecast ofero point four percent. New
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  Speaker 3: Zealand Herald Business Editor at Large Liam dan says it
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  Speaker 3: could be the start of the long awaited recovery.
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  Speaker 5: Manufacturing has come back into positive territory in the past
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  Speaker 5: few months. Consumers have been a little slower to turn around,
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  Speaker 5: but we may still see some signs that the retail
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  Speaker 5: trade sector is starting to recover.
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  Speaker 3: A coroner has criticized christ Churchmen's Prison over a delayed
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  Speaker 3: response to inmates call for help leading up to his
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  Speaker 3: death in twenty twenty two. Michael Bradley was struggling to
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  Speaker 3: breathe in his present cell when his salmate raised the
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  Speaker 3: alarm for help, but there was a gap of eighteen
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  Speaker 3: minutes before staff began CPR Rosie Leishman has more.
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  Speaker 6: Associate Coroner Dan Moore says while it's not certain the
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  Speaker 6: sixty seven year old would have survived, the delay may
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  Speaker 6: have contributed to his death.
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  Speaker 7: He says it's a significant failure. He's not a correction.
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  Speaker 6: Has since updated its procedures around in cell alarms to
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  Speaker 6: reduce the risk of a similar death.
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  Speaker 3: Two people have been airlifted to hospital following a shooting
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  Speaker 3: in Gore. Police ambulance and multiple helicopters were called to
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  Speaker 3: an incident involving a firearm discharge on Upper Ema Street
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  Speaker 3: around eight pm last night. People were asked to avoid
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  Speaker 3: the area. The ODT reports one person is in a
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  Speaker 3: serious condition and the other moderate. A midweek Christmas could
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  Speaker 3: be a key factor and increased demand at Wellington Airport.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 3: It's preparing for eighteen thousand passengers to pass through today,
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  Speaker 3: marking the busiest day in the holiday period. Nearly half
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  Speaker 3: a million travelers are expected over the next four weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Willington Airport Head of Operations, Matthew Palliser says people are
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  Speaker 3: taking a few extra days off work to make the
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  Speaker 3: most of it.
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  Speaker 8: Expecting around four hundred and forty thousand seats in total
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  Speaker 8: consists of nineteen thousand international seats, which is upboard seat
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  Speaker 8: from last year, in over three hundred and fifty domestic seats.
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  Speaker 2: Harold Now Sport brought to you by Gold sport.
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  Speaker 3: Now alex Care has scored one hundred and six to
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  Speaker 3: stare Australia to three hundred and twenty six for eight
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  Speaker 3: on day one of the third Ashes test in Adelaide.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 3: Men's world number one Carlos Alcaraz has parted ways with
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: his longtime coach Juan Carlos Ferrera, and FIFA has announced
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 3: a fifty percent increase in prize money it will award
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: to the forty eight teams next year's World Cup at
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 3: the United States of Canada and Mexico. The tournament winners
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  Speaker 3: will receive exactly fifty million dollars US eighty six point
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: four million in our terms.
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  Speaker 2: Gerald Now, weather brought you by You do It Kitchens.
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  Speaker 9: Good morning, Still a little unsettled around the country. A
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 9: weak ridge does lie over most of us, but a
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  Speaker 9: new front is approaching the lowest south island that heads
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  Speaker 9: rapidly nor tomorrow with a cold souwesterly in its wake.
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  Speaker 9: So mostly cloudy here today, with occasional rain returning from
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  Speaker 9: mid afternoon and spreading north in the evening. There were
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  Speaker 9: lots of high cloud around here were the few spots
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  Speaker 9: of light rain nor easterlies developed for all of Canterbury
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  Speaker 9: this afternoon, staying dry, though in Nelson cloudy periods with
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  Speaker 9: the odd shower for the Lower North Island. Those showers
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  Speaker 9: will be mainly tonight for Taranaki and for Tomernui. That's
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  Speaker 9: a little mixed here. Plenty of clear skies but also
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  Speaker 9: the chants of showers. This afternoon could be heavy and thundery,
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  Speaker 9: with hail for Gisbone until tonight and cloudy periods for
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  Speaker 9: the Upper North with a few showers around. They should
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  Speaker 9: clear for Auckland this afternoon with southwesterlies and a high
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  Speaker 9: of twenty one degrees.
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  Speaker 1: News, thank you full you do it, Barcas max two degrees,
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  Speaker 1: GJ gard to do my and no leaving. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much for joining us tomorrow. It's actually not the end.
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  Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Mike, Thank you much.
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  Speaker 38: Oh just a little birdie told us, look, we can't
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  Speaker 38: light the candles because they're going to sit off the
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  Speaker 38: fire alarms.
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  Speaker 1: But you've been a mess of helpless year.
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  Speaker 10: So happy birthday.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 9: You're welcome, Mike.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be tomorrow morning