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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed MCC Lieutenant (Part 4) (4/30/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the unnamed lieutenant and the
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  interview with the OIG investigators. Question when did you become
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  aware that inmate redacted was removed from MCC on August ninth,
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  twenty nineteen. Answer I don't know. Question what is he
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  gets cut off by the lieutenant? The only thing I
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  heard is I know I woke up. They're saying I
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  saw the story. Question what is your involvement as the
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  activities lieutenant that day with inmates who are going to court? Answer?
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  I didn't have any involvement. Question so the activities lieutenant
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  is not involved? Answer no? Question Is the ops lieutenant involved?
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  Answer not really? No question, So who's involved? Answer? R
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  and D Receive and discharge question okay, And do you
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  remember who was working in R and D that day
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  that morning? Answer no? Question are you able to tell
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  by looking at that sheet? How does that work? How
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  do you find out who was in R and D
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  for the day on that morning? Answer that's the custody roster.
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  I'm not sure. Question so that's a different roster. Answer yeah.
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  Question what would that roster be called? Answer? I don't know. Question,
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  you're not sure. Answer, that's not our department. Question. So
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  did they come and retrieve those individuals from the shoe
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  or does the shoe bring them to R and D. Answer?
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  It depends. If it gets busy, you say hey, I
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  need help, they go up and help you out. If not,
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  the shoe crew, all right, take them down. Question. So
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  if they were at a non busy traditional way, who
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  would have been the people on that roster? Answer the
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  shoe crew question? And who on that day? Answer you
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  mean for the court movements question? Yeah, like what time?
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  First of all, I guess I should say answer It depends,
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  That's what I'm saying. So it depends on if they're
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  going to Brooklyn or wherever you start early at six
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  that would be a morning watch or day watch question,
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  so it would be one of the other, and does not.
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  Let's say, if it was eight am, who would have
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  done it? Answer day watch crew question? And who was
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  on the day watch that day? Answer redacted redacted and
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  redacted question? And anybody any of those people do you
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  remember speaking about? Redacted? Answer? No question, all right? And
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  who was the oic? Who was the officer in charge
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  of that crew. Answer redacted. Question redacted was not redacted? Answer?
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  According to this it was redacted. Question. Okay, so on
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  the document it's redacted. All right. I'm going to show
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  you a memo that was written by redacted on August twelfth,
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  twenty nineteen, and it's the subject is pass information from
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  Special Housing Unit. It says, on Friday, August ninth, twenty nineteen,
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  at approximately one fifty pm, I SOS redacted passed on
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  to on coming staff officers redacted and President shif staff
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  SOS redacted. An officer redacted that inmate redacted was going
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  WAB and possibly may not return. Also that inmate Epstein
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  will be needing a cell mate upon arrival from his
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  attorney visit. So does that refresher memory? Did you have
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  any conversation with redacted? Answer? No? Question. Who would have
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  made redacted aware that redacted was going WAB? Answer? He
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  could see it on the roster. They send a sheet
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  up the night before. Question, So if that's not on
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  the night before, If on the night before there's no
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  WAB and this is at one fifty pm that this
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  notification was made. Note if there's no WAB, well, first
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  of all, what's WAB stand for? Answer? With all belongings? Question?
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  And if WAB is not next to the name on
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  the night before the August eighth roster, how would he
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  be aware? At around one fifty? Would normally the court
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  call R and D and R and D pass that
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  information along? Answer? R and D could have called them.
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  Question So would R and D call shoe directly? Or
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  would they typically call the ops or activities? Lieutenant? Answer?
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  They call the shoe. Question They do call shoe directly,
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  They wouldn't call you, guys, and you would have to
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  pass the information on answer no question, Okay, So is
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  it your belief then that if it's that in fact,
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  what happened if RADAKTD went to court and then he
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  became WAB, just tell me what's your understanding? Answer? I'm
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  not sure how that one question of how that would work? Answer,
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  I'm not sure about that question. Yeah, I'm not saying
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  specifically how he got it. What would be the typical
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  way that would work? If an inmate goes to court
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  and then's released, How does that process work once that
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  inmate is released? What happens from that point for the
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  court and how do they make the notification known to
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  the mcc all the way down to where that inmate
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  was out, specifically this one in the shoe answer R
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  and D, Hey, that guy's not coming back. Question and
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  then would they typically say now WAB? Would that be
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  the words that they typically use, or would they say
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  he's not coming back? Answer either or the WAB is
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  something that's on the roster question okay? So is WAB
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  specific to the roster or is WAB also if he
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  was called and told question I'm not sure. I don't know.
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  I've seen it before on the roster. Like, Hey, this
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  is the court list. It says WAB. Question right, and
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  I'm saying in this circumstance, if there is no WAB
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  next to the name, he gets cut off by the lieutenant.
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  I'm not sure. Question Okay, But you didn't have any
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  conversations with redacted? Answer no, question No, and you seem
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  pretty confident with that, not like I can't recall you
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  did not have any conversations with redacted? Answer? Yeah, I
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  had no conversations with them. Question what about with redacted?
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  Did you have any conversation with redacted about redacted going
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  WAB or not coming back? Answer? I can't recall that
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  either question did you know that redacted had left that
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  day for court? Answer? No question. So then, therefore, did
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  you not know that he was coming back? Answer? No,
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  I didn't know. Question okay, And you didn't know or
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  don't remember if you actually did a round in the
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  shoe to see if you was in there? Answer no question.
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  So can you recall any conversation you had that day
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  about redacted? Answer? I don't think I had any conversations
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  about redacted. Question That's what I'm asking. So you can't
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  recall any conversation you had that day about redacted? Answer
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  no question, And you don't think you had any answer
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  no question. No, Okay, all right, we're going to continue
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  with this, but before they move on the other best
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  to get her jumps in. So, just to clarify the
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  night before, how would mcc get to know that redacted
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  is leaving? Answer? Well, like I said, the court list.
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  Question the court list? Who creates it? Answer? But sometimes
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  that's not always accurate. Question who creates it? Answer? R
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  and D? Question and it doesn't show who's in R
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  and D over there? Right? Answer no question. No, But
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  R and D creates the court list? And what do
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  they do with that court list. Answer. They send it
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  out to all of the units, so you get one.
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  If you're a unit officer, you'll get it and say, okay,
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  I got three guys leaving because it says WAB So
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  you say, hey, wake up, we're packing up and we're leaving.
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  Question they send the whole list or they just did
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  the email saying hey, these are the inmates leaving from here?
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  Answer yeah, I've never seen an email. I've just seen
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  the list. Question okay, and it's just like a generic
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  email that goes to everyone. Answer it's a call list.
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  Question but sorry, I want to make sure that I
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  understood what you just said. Is it provided by email
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  or is it provided He gets cut off by the lieutenant.
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  I've never seen it provided by email. Question So you've
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  never seen it on email. It's just a list that's provided.
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  So who R and D comes and gives it to
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  the shoe. Answer No, they send it up. Question so
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  internal comes and gets it? Answer internal? Yeah. Question so
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  on this date, would you know who would have been internal?
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  Who would have provided that list to the shoe? Answer?
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  I see who's internal, but I'm not I don't know
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  if they would have provided it we've got two internals.
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  Question and who are the two internals? Answer redacted phonetic
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  and redacted. Question all right, so they're the two that
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  typically you're not saying that they did, but they're typically
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  the people would have provided the court list. Answer yeah, internal,
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  that's what they usually do. It could have been a
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  sanitation answer. Now, isn't the list typically provided the day
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  before or is it just created the day before? Answer?
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  I don't know. Is it provided the day before? Question? Yeah?
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  Answer it was provided the same day? Question it is?
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  Answer you get about you get the morning watch the
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  day of question I was always I was under the
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  understanding that it was the night before on August eighth,
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  they would create the list for the morning on August ninth.
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  Do you know was that a correct understanding? Answer? I'm
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  not sure. All I know is if you're an officer,
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  you get it the day of question all right, and
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  you've worked in the shoe before? Answer yeah, question okay,
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  so when you worked in the shoe it would come
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  in that morning. Answer yeah. Question around what time would
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  it arrive? Answer about two in the morning. I know
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  that's early. Qu oh super early? So it would come
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  in on morning watch? Answer yeah, morning Watch question okay,
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  and are there people in internal working at that time
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  around two am? Answer yeah. Question and is that the
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  same people that you just listed? Answer yeah. Question so
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  those morning Watch individuals are the ones that would probably
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  have provided the court list? Answer yeah. Question And do
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  you know is that document maintained anywhere? The court list document?
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  Answer no? Question is that like uploaded in any kind
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  of system? Answer not that I know of. Question No,
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  you said that R and D creates it, but they
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  created in a system? Answer I don't know. I mean
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  that's not my department. Question Okay, is there like an
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  officer in charge of R and D? Answer yeah, so
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  you have ACMC. And do you know who in August
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  would have been that person? Question? Answer in August? No,
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  because I know that the CMC was out for a
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  while and they got they also had a supervisor. Question
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  and do you know who that would be? Answer no,
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  But they had a supervisor. I know that's their position,
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  but I don't know who it was. Answer And that
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  would be like a lieutenant answer no, question who would
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  he gets cut off by the lieutenant? Lieutenant in custody
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  R and D is non custody? Question? Explain to me
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  what R and D is as far as he gets
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  cut off by the lieutenant that's receiving in discharge. So
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  they deal with the inmate movement, the inmate courts, the transfers,
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  the self surrenders. Question and you're saying that they're not
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  called lieutenants or anything. What are their titles? Answer Correctional
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  system officer question correctional systems officer. And like a supervisor,
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  would they still be like he gets cut off by
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  the lieutenant supervisor Correctional systems officer question? And would that
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  be like a nine or an eleven type answer something
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  like that question? All right, but they're just outside of
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  you said custody underneath. What's the system that they're underneath?
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  Answer it's the non custody and custody question okay, answer,
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  and they have correctional officer a correctional worker as opposed
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  to custody. Is a correctional officer question? Okay? And who
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  would be does the captain also have oversight over them? Answer? No, question?
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  Who has oversight over them? Non custody? Answer the CMC?
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  They have a supervisor question? What does the CMC mean?
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  Answer Correctional management coordinator question? Okay? And that is outside
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  the captain's purview. Answer yep, question and you don't remember
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  who that was at the time? Answer no. All right, folks,
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  we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
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  episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
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  we left off. All the information that goes with this
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