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Vikings x Browns: Game Preview - How Will the Dillon Gabriel Era Begin? - Cleveland Browns Podcast for 10/2/25 · The Dawgs - A Cleveland Browns Podcast

• 0:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Dog's Podcast with your hosts, Lake Renaker, Justin Charles, and Josh All.
• 0:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, what's up, Browns fans?
• 0:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to another episode of The Dog's Podcast, presented by Manly Bands.
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Josh, all doing another dog pack this cord live show today.
• 0:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Had to take last week off.
• 0:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was on vacation.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't able to make this work.
• 0:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: We are back.
• 0:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: We are here on Thursday afternoon, previewing the upcoming game between.
• 0:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: the Browns and Vikings over in London on Sunday morning.
• 0:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: So make sure you guys are setting your alarms for the morning on Sunday.
• 0:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to dive into everything.
• 0:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've got big headlines and news to discuss on this show.
• 0:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you guys want to jump up here on stage, like I said before, we started get your hands up and we'll bring you up here in a minute.
• 0:57
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• 1:09
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• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: So let's do it.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's dive into this game.
• 1:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no point in beating around the bush.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Like I said before, we started.
• 1:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've got the Guardian slash Indians.
• 1:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see, it's 303 when we're starting this.
• 1:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: So by the time you guys who are not in the dog pack, watching listening to this, the game is already underway, or heck, maybe it's even over.
• 1:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you know the outcome, but right now, we are holding out hope that our tribe, or whatever you call them nowadays, guardsball can pull out a victory today, and move on here in the playoffs.
• 1:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: But for this episode, for our brown show,
• 1:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: We got to talk about the Minnesota Vikings to and to taking on the Cleveland Browns one and three over in London Minnesota coming into this game three and a half point favorites this game has an over under guys a total of just 35.5 points so it's easily the lowest point total on the week five slate so obviously the odds makers are not anticipating a whole lot of offensive output on either side of the ball.
• 2:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: in this game.
• 2:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like I said at the beginning, remember this is the London game this weekend.
• 2:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: So set your alarms, especially all of you poor souls out there on the west coast.
• 2:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: You guys got to be up before 6 30 a.m.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: to watch kick off 9 30 a.m.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Easter standard time and it's on NFL network on Sunday morning.
• 2:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So the Vikings playing their second straight game now overseas.
• 2:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Guys in the chat correct me if I'm wrong, I believe last week was in Ireland wasn't at the Dublin game I believe.
• 2:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they were coming off what looked like it was about to be a but weapon by the Steelers Been a soda battle back made it a close game in the end.
• 2:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: They ended up losing and the Browns are coming off an actual full fledged But weapon by the lions in Detroit and you know we talked about it last week how the lions game was
• 3:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: If it didn't go well, which, you know, if you followed the first three weeks, it didn't look like it was probably going to go well, and it would most likely be the final game for Joe Flacco and indeed it was.
• 3:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: That brings us to the biggest headline for the week that I want to discuss with you guys.
• 3:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if you've got your thoughts and opinions on Dylan Gabriel, now's the time to get your hands up because it was announced that the Browns are going to start rookie quarterback Dylan Gabriel.
• 3:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Joe Flacco will move to the back up role.
• 3:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And fellow rookie should or Sanders will remain the QB3 slash emergency quarterback.
• 3:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure we're going to get to some of that here in a bit, because there was another viral video.
• 3:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yesterday, but first, let's talk about the young man from Hawaii who will be starting on Sunday.
• 3:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get Mr. Brad, money maker up here.
• 3:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Brad, how's it going, man?
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: You go once a pillow from the mountain with smoky mountains.
• 3:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, you're up in the smokies.
• 3:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sir.
• 3:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 3:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you still got no reception.
• 4:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I had that reception.
• 4:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: Can you hear me good?
• 4:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 4:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're good, man.
• 4:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Loud and clear.
• 4:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: What's up?
• 4:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: What do you other?
• 4:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 4:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: What are you going here?
• 4:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: I called it.
• 4:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: I said I put 20 bucks on it.
• 4:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: I said, Dell and Gabriel's going to start this week.
• 4:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: Guess what?
• 4:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: I was right.
• 4:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, make sense.
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: made sense.
• 4:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and then I like how everybody kept saying like the stadium wasn't going to happen, but I called it, I don't even know like months and months and months and months ago.
• 4:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 4:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, there's a couple who played a jump through, but it was happening regardless, like basically when they told off the city, they're like, we're we're moving.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, so the announcement came out that they they purchased the land is like, well, this is happening.
• 4:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it doesn't matter what opposition they put forward or what regulations they try to say they're breaking or whatever the case may be.
• 4:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is happening.
• 4:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like they're building a stadium one way or another.
• 4:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we are underway.
• 4:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know what, I want to say something crazy is going to be a hot take.
• 5:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: uh, I think we can beat the Vikings on Sunday.
• 5:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 5:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe not as hot-take as you think because we'll get into more of that here in a little bit as we preview this game, but I might be now might be able to win the game.
• 5:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's the.
• 5:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I might be there.
• 5:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm there with you.
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: If anyone out there's declaratively saying they are going to win, okay.
• 5:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know about that, but yeah, big face.
• 5:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 5:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I'm going to say for the game, it's going to be cold to be in one living and hopefully we have, you know, obviously, hopefully we win and have a better show in the last time we were in London.
• 5:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: Last time was rough.
• 5:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I think we have better team than last time.
• 5:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: So we'll see how it goes.
• 5:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm excited for it and I'm satisfied with the tribe today.
• 5:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: And they're probably going to have another crazy late ending comeback or home run or something to win the game because that's how they've been playing the last three weeks.
• 6:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: So
• 6:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they don't like to get out of head early.
• 6:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.
• 6:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, never, never have now.
• 6:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 6:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, here.
• 6:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to move you down.
• 6:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to come back up here in a little bit.
• 6:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just get your hand back up.
• 6:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll get stay see up here.
• 6:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Get some thoughts about this game or whatever's going on.
• 6:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Stay see how you doing.
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, guys.
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: How you doing?
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Great.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Great.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm at work, so I can't talk for too long, but I just wanted to mention one thing.
• 6:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I've been scrolling through my Facebook and all that stuff, just looking at, obviously everyone's talking about Dylan Gabriel starting.
• 6:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I just wanted to say, I'm getting kind of annoyed with these people that are super frustrated that should or is not starting.
• 6:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a shouldor fan as well.
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a Dylan Gabriel fan, I'm a whoever can win a game on the Browns fan.
• 6:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I just think that that's how our attitude should be.
• 7:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I just don't understand us having a quarterback for not having a quarterback for this long.
• 7:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, why are we trying to get picky and cheesy about who we want to be in there?
• 7:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, we just need somebody who can put together a drive literally and just get some kind of energy going on offense.
• 7:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I just think that's a
• 7:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: a lot of frustrating.
• 7:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: We just need to be better as Brown's fans and give Dylan Gabriel a chance.
• 7:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: He deserves, and then if he doesn't do well, then it should work.
• 7:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Come on up, you know.
• 7:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 7:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
• 7:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
• 7:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've been saying that since the draft, like just just root for both these guys, whoever can come in here, if either one can come in and make a difference and be the quarterback that helps us score points, which we don't do and win games, which we don't do, I don't care which one it is.
• 7:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just, we just want to win.
• 7:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just, I'm tired of watching lackluster, you know, boring football from this team.
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's just going to, I just want to see some points on the board.
• 7:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, yes, I just want to ask for,
• 7:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nope, it is not that much to ask for, although it might be this week.
• 8:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get into some stats here a little bit later about both these teams and why.
• 8:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that over under 35 and a half, I mean, every other game is well over 40 points for this this week.
• 8:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's, I don't know if points are going to come.
• 8:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: a lot in this game, but at least we could see if Dylan Gabriel can give the offense some sort of spark because it's been very, very difficult.
• 8:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like whatever we can get, you know, just some kind of points on the board, however it might be, you know, the defense just needs a little bit of help, and they can't be out there all day long.
• 8:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, because, you know, this is another offense where they've got guys.
• 8:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: They have very good players that if this defense starts to wear it down, because they're on the field of the whole game,
• 8:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's all it takes.
• 8:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I got them.
• 8:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: OK.
• 8:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, good to hear from you.
• 8:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad you came on.
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
• 9:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, glad you came up.
• 9:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Colton, I'm going to get to you in just a second.
• 9:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I want to run through some Dylan Gabriel stuff for everybody.
• 9:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just as a reminder, I know it's been a little while since the draft and everything.
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I wanted to go back through kind of his resume coming into the NFL out of Oregon and all that kind of stuff.
• 9:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he's making his first NFL start, but the fun fact here is Dylan Gabriel will be the first
• 9:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: and along with that Dylan Gabriel himself has actually never been outside the U.S.
• 9:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: before.
• 9:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: So this is going to be his first time overseas in another country as well.
• 9:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: So pretty cool for him making, you know, some NFL history here for the Browns.
• 9:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just going back through some of this quick pre-draft stuff high school.
• 9:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: He broke two a tongue-a-vile as Hawaii State High School record for career passing yards.
• 9:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: In 2019 at UCF is where he started college.
• 9:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: He started 12.
• 9:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: games.
• 9:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see, I want to move forward through the UCF stuff.
• 9:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: So let's see that was 20, 20, 2021.
• 9:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then in 2022, we went to Oklahoma.
• 9:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was a big 12 offensive newcomer of the year.
• 10:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Started 12 games, 3,168 yards, 25 touchdowns to just six interceptions.
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then in 2023, again, at Oklahoma, first team all big 12 ranked tied for eighth with 30.
• 10:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: passing touchdowns again to just six interceptions.
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was ninth in the nation with a 69.3 completion percentage 3,660 passing yards led the team with 12 rushing touchdowns.
• 10:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he's got some ability some athleticism on the ground as well.
• 10:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: entered the transfer portal after that season went to Oregon in 2024 last season.
• 10:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: 13 associated press all American big 10 offensive player the year quarterback of the year first team all big 10 finalists for the Heisman trophy he finished third in the voting bear ranked second in the FBS with 72.9 completion rate seventh in the nation with 3,857 passing yards tied for
• 10:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Set the FBS record with 188 career total touchdowns and 63 starts at quarterback, which beat Bowen Knicks's previous record of 61, and he tied case Keynom's FBS record with 155 career passing touchdowns started all 14 games for the ducks.
• 11:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: He also had seven touchdowns on the ground last year.
• 11:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Colton, I'm going to get you on up here.
• 11:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted to kind of go back through everything with Dylan Gabriel to remind everybody that this is a very well accomplished quarterback.
• 11:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: during his college career.
• 11:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Colton, I think you're on mute there.
• 11:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my apologies.
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're good.
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: So if I start screaming it's because I got the guard's game going on in the background so I apologize for that.
• 11:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I'll be happy to share if it's good, bad, and different.
• 11:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: But no, thanks for having me on my friend.
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just wanted to jump on today.
• 11:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was gonna read off a couple of the stats there about Dylan Gabriel and what I think the most important people think
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Most people overlook is did they win in college and for me a quarterback that's going to come in and leave my football team You can look at all the stats of what they accomplish through college and whatnot, but did they make everybody around them better and did they win?
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: And him having 47 wins in college over the course of six years It's one of the biggest defining factors of me of Okay, is he gonna make that next guy up better?
• 12:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think all the best quarterbacks juckel look at the league.
• 12:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: They might not have
• 12:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: their best weapons week to week, but do they elevate that next man up and make them better?
• 12:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's what Dylan did over the course of six years, so I'm super excited just to kind of see the plan and place and why I think the offense is going to be very, very vanilla this week.
• 12:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just to keep him safe.
• 12:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: I am excited to see him go in and execute and not turn the ball over most importantly.
• 12:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: So thanks for having me on, man.
• 12:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: To be sure whatever you'd like on that, I'm sure you could pick that apart.
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: I appreciate that's absolutely good to hear from you.
• 12:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, that is definitely a feather in the cat for Dylan Gabriel.
• 12:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was a very winning college quarterback.
• 13:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was
• 13:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's good, I mean, he's a good or at least in college.
• 13:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was a good quarterback.
• 13:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the big thing about him coming into the NFL and the Browns draft in him was it was just, if it felt like it was out of left field.
• 13:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: None of the pre-draft analysts had Dylan Gabriel was like a top rank quarterback or anything of that.
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was not in the discussions with the guys who could go for a second round.
• 13:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you had your cam work, shit, or Sanders, and then Jalen Millrose and your Tyler Shucks, Jackson Darts.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Those guys were being talked about pretty much, whenever you talked about quarterbacks coming in,
• 13:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: in twenty twenty five.
• 13:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Those were the names.
• 13:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dylan Gabriel was not on that list.
• 13:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: But he was on the radar for the Browns from the very beginning.
• 13:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: They brought him in for a pre-draft visit.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think they identified him early as the guy they really wanted to go after in the draft.
• 13:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: They obviously went out and held a private meeting and worked out with him.
• 13:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: that nobody knew about until after they picked him, there were other teams that came out and there's been reports now that he was probably going round four no matter what.
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if the Browns really wanted him, they needed to make sure they got him and they took him late third Browns, not like they used an early third round pick or anything like that.
• 14:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was still third, I get it, but you know, and I think a lot of people are put off by the size.
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, 510, 511, you know, just a little over 200 pounds.
• 14:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's a small quarterback.
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: It wouldn't be the first time we've seen a small quarterback, do something in the NFL.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: He wouldn't be the only small quarterback starting on Sunday.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll have Kyler Murray is a 510, 200, whatever, pound quarterback.
• 14:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: You've got Bryce Young, who's like 510, I don't even think he's 200 pounds.
• 14:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like he's super slight.
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: So,
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
• 14:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I saw one to hear.
• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll also hear your thoughts on the muted.
• 14:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 14:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 14:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get to the mining interview from Shidorah.
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I knew you guys would want to talk about that.
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I want to talk about it too.
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: But just to kind of wrap things up with Dylan Gabriel, you know, it was touted all off season all summer mini camps training camps all that kind of stuff his processing the processing the understanding of the offense knowing where to go with the football, taking care of the football those were the things that we kept hearing talked about over and over with Dylan Gabriel and.
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know for what everybody say he fits what Kevin's defense he wants to do now what is Kevin's defense he want to do if you guys have watched my episodes lately I don't even know have the time anymore um but I do will really want to see what the offense can look like with a quarter back that one Kevin wants and two you know everybody says fits what he wants to do because
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Joe Flacco seemed to fit that back in 2023, but it was clear and obvious in these last four games that 2023 was a very long time ago in Joe Flacco years, because he has aged tremendously, since then.
• 15:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: And also we just kind of caught, you know, firing a bottle there, going gets week defense historic at the end of 2023.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Flacco's down, he's done, he will be the backup, though.
• 16:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Virol interview that, again, we, we can go any direction with this.
• 16:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why are people interviewing the third string quarterback for the Cleveland Browns?
• 16:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, because his name is Shador Sanders and because he has a huge brand and a huge following.
• 16:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why, you know, they went in yesterday and interviewed him in the locker room, asking him, you know, his thoughts and everything on Dylan Gabriel being named the starter and Joe Flackel being the backup and all those things.
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Shador said literally nothing.
• 16:33
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Because if you did not see the video or watch it or hear about it, he mimeed his way through the entire interview.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: He opened and closed his mouth and spoke without using any words.
• 18:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't vocalize anything.
• 18:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of like laughing the whole time and I want to hear what you guys think.
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: So please start filling up the chat.
• 18:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just let's have a conversation here.
• 18:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Get your hands up if you want to come up and talk about it.
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Get your thoughts about that whole interview.
• 18:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Me personally, when I first saw it, I was like,
• 18:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: did somebody go in and take the audio out of this because it was weird.
• 18:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was super strange.
• 18:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, this can't be real.
• 18:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no way he actually did this in turns out.
• 19:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: He did.
• 19:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: He actually did it.
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if you want my opinion on it, and again, save space here.
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you guys think I'm wrong or whatever, tell me.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about it.
• 19:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: But for me personally,
• 19:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't like it.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't not like, I understand where the people could look at and say, well, that's pretty funny.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because Rex Ryan last week said, you know, it should work.
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just shut his mouth and go to work and all this stuff.
• 19:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: So the next time he was interviewed publicly, he didn't say anything.
• 19:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 19:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's kind of a jab back at Rex Ryan.
• 19:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: But why the hell are you jabbing back at a national media guy?
• 19:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Who cares what he says?
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: So my thought on this after I wash it, thought about it, read some things other people said it's like all throughout the pre-draft process and then after the draft after you came to Cleveland all this stuff.
• 19:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: There were rumors and like some reports and things that Shador Sanders came across immature and entitled and things like that during his interviews with NFL teams during the process and.
• 19:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: All I'm saying is like mining your way through an interview after your fellow rookie teammate just got named the starter, it really doesn't do anything to help you put those rumors to bed.
• 20:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I posted this on X. I said, when I initially watched it all, I could think it was like, it felt like something a high school kid would do on a dare to try to impress like his buddies and get a laugh out everybody.
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is the NFL, you don't see professional quarterbacks doing this kind of stuff.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if it's just that a case of him being stuck at the bottom of the depth chart without a real easy way up, but I think he just listens way too much to what these national people are saying.
• 20:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I just feel like a mature quarterback who's focusing on being prepared for when his opportunity comes and all that kind of stuff should really just be ignoring all that stuff, keeping it out of here, keeping yourself and your focus
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I would have been much happier if he just said something like, you know, I'm happy for Dylan.
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know he's been working hard.
• 21:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's ready for this opportunity.
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, I hope he brings success for the team, but at the same time, I know I'm also ready for when my opportunity comes and I'm looking forward to that.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And all those kind of things like there's a good diplomatic way to answer this question.
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, if the national people want to twist your words and make headlines out everything, you say, you know, in that statement, well, so be it.
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then you guys go do you, and then, you know, he just needs to get back to work.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that was kind of my thought on it, you know, I see you guys are really blown up the chat here.
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Come on, I know you guys have an opinion on this.
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's hear it.
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: We can talk about it.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Put your hand up in the chat.
• 21:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to come up with it, anybody think it was funnier to have a different opinion than me.
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Coling off bringing you up here the last thing about this that I just want to say is whether you thought it was funny or witty or whether you thought it was immature or childish, whatever.
• 21:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: I 100% guarantee you that the browns no nonsense brass were not impressed by it and that's what matters most because it doesn't matter what you guys think or what I think.
• 22:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: In the end it only matters what the people in charge and beria think.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: But Colton, what are your thoughts on it?
• 22:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I was listening to up and atoms with Bruce Ariand.
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: He gave a pretty good interview about his take on it and everything.
• 22:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: And he said, you know, I don't think the Browns are doing a very good job of protecting Shidorah Sanders because he gets in his own way more than anybody else.
• 22:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: We could probably argue on it with Indiana fell.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: What third drink quarterback is getting as much media attention as him.
• 22:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of almost overshadowed, Dylan getting his shot this week.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: I agree with you.
• 22:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think our front office is really no nonsense and we're trying to create a culture of winning and promoting from within.
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: Then I don't know.
• 22:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think he just didn't handle it the right way.
• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that could be due to immaturity or jealousy.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Whatever it might be.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't think that's a really good way to climb the ladder.
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: to stay.
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that'd be a good way to get hired in a blue collar white collar position either throw in somebody under the bus or just being as immature as he's been in these recent interviews but I did think Bruce had a really good point like hey just don't let him have any media availability keep him away from the mic because nothing good's going to come out of it
• 23:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just kind of want to share that.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was curious if you thought it's on it too.
• 23:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: I figured it'd be something good.
• 23:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: So thanks for sharing my friend.
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, no problem.
• 23:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy to talk about it.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Brad will get you up here in just a second.
• 23:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I did want to mention I was watching the video on X. Emmanuel Archo was on there and he was saying that
• 23:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: He feels like it's, or I'm sorry, he feels like Shador is not being very welcomed by the Browns.
• 23:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: He said it was weird that I forget what day was earlier this week, but Shador posted a video of his off-day workout.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like the team wasn't scheduled or whatever for practice that day.
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he was working somewhere on a field practicing outside of the facility.
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know, I mean, this is just one guy, one former player, but he said he's never seen a player on active roster working out during the season, anywhere outside of the team facility.
• 24:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: He kept saying, why is he not at the Browns facility doing these workouts?
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I saw other people, excuse me, saying like, you know, his media team, his film crew can't come into the Browns facility and video him, which obviously they want to do a lot of that to, you know, get his videos for TikTok and all that kind of stuff, which
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we can all have an opinion on that kind of stuff.
• 24:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just as long as it doesn't affect what you're trying to do on the field, it is what it is.
• 24:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: But Brad, what do you think about it?
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, first off, Ocho is one of my least favorite TV people because he is one of the number one people that constantly bashes the Browns organization.
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they don't do anything to prevent that unfortunately.
• 24:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I know.
• 24:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they don't, they don't help their own.
• 24:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: I get that.
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: But, um, Rex dry and sometimes, man, he just like shoots off the hit the most nonsensical things.
• 25:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's probably like part of the reason the jet's got right on the long time ago.
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: He just like,
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: doesn't get along with a lot of people and he just says, what's on his mind, um, it's far as how should or handled it.
• 25:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I think it's attributed to his father a little bit because his father, if you ever watch, when he wasn't then I felt like any media cover is in him, he was kind of like a jokester and like a kind of very, I don't know, like animated about stuff he would be asked.
• 25:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I think some of that comes from him, not all of them, but yeah, I mean, it, I mean,
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was a little silly, but I also thought like, I mean, if he's trying to get favor with heaven and andrebarion or anything, that's not totally a great look, especially when we had history with the certain other pick that wasn't very well looked in the media as well, though he was a first round pick.
• 26:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: But
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: be that as it may.
• 26:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, Sanders was supposed to be a first-round pick, but obviously we see a little of the immaturity now coming out from reports from other executives, so, you know, if he stays at three for now, then he'll be there until further notice, unfortunately.
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: I know people can be mad, people can say this or that, like, oh, the browns are holding them back.
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, with that and just like some of other things that have happened, it's like they probably are viewing him as where he's supposed to be right now.
• 26:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, not only that's my view.
• 26:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you're right on that to it there because the entire league view to mass.
• 27:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: no better than a fifth round pick and we can argue and sight different things and go back and forth with whoever we want to talk to about it and say well he should have been this he should have been that but the fact remains he takes a man 33 and she said they I guess they'll have to even start somebody and it was nearly a sea of hours is that on your ground we're going to be ready so that we can go ahead
• 27:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 27:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was Brad's mind.
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, where's that female voice coming from?
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought Stacey was out here already.
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So real quick, we'll look at the chat here.
• 27:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, guys, my eyes are bad.
• 27:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I use says it's probably just because of the advice from his camp as well, someone thought it will be funny.
• 27:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: His dad even posts on social media, something like, you know, that's a way to go get it or something like that.
• 27:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like he was good with how should or handled it, which kind of speaks to what Brad was saying, how his dad handled interviews, but you know, that was not a quarterback.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: a quarterback needs to be a leader of the entire franchise, not just the team itself, but like the whole organization.
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, if we're just going to look at those, to, you know, they're just the maturity level thing.
• 28:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it'd be very hard for me to see Dylan Gabriel doing that.
• 28:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying, you know, and I feel like Dylan, they've had him pagged as that guy who's ready to go.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, to speak to Dylan, because he is the one starting on Sunday for the Browns.
• 28:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's he's played in multiple offensive systems.
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, in these changed coordinators, these changed teams.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's gone to different places, and he's been able to pick it up and have success everywhere he's gone.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it just makes sense of that kind of translates here to Cleveland and the Brownsfield comfortable with him.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dominus says this seems very reminiscent of Baker Mayfield clapping back at Calon, Colin Coward, which is what Brad was saying, yep, it sure does.
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Cirque says, seems to me he needs some sort of media coaching.
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's been raised around fame, I guess, so he may be a little oblivious to how this stuff looks from the outside, you know what, now that's an interesting point, how it looks from the outside, because I was thinking about this earlier, and I feel already feel like we're spending too much time talking about this when we got a game coming up, but it is a hot topic right now.
• 29:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it seemed to me, it was last year we said multiple times the Sean Watson seems completely tone deaf.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like the entire fan base is pretty much turned against you.
• 29:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're not in favor, not in good standing with a lot of people here, and a lot of the stuff that he would post on social media or come out and say in the media was like, dude.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't have any like good examples off top of my head, but I just remember thinking like, do you not realize the situation?
• 29:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Can you not read the room?
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you not know that people really just don't like you right now?
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe you just stop it.
• 29:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just don't say anything or don't post anything.
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or just, just if you're gonna go on vacation on a yacht, just go do it quietly.
• 29:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like nobody wants to see that while we're over here, freezing our asses off, you know, getting our butts wet by whatever team as we're struggling to win three games.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: So there is a little bit of tone, tone deafness there.
• 30:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Cerks says I'm a relatively new fan to the NFL, but I understand his dad was a bit of a...
• 30:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: a little bit of a rascal also so maybe he's trying to live up to that but at this point he's not been able to prove he has the ability so he's uh that he should be focusing more on getting his opportunity to shine before he starts pulling these kinds of stunts um now Domna says he's got gotta go we'll see you later buddy um if anybody else wants to talk about this uh before I move on go ahead and get your hands up if not I'm gonna dive into some more stuff about the game but
• 30:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I can end with this.
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you're watching this after we're done here, you know, if you thought it was funny, what should or was doing and it was like no big deal, I get it.
• 30:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can understand where you're coming from.
• 30:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just to me that that's not how a leader of the franchise packs, I don't think.
• 30:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: It just seemed very, it did seem immature.
• 30:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know that might be a war that's gonna get people fired up, but that's just the way it definitely seemed.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Colen says change a topic.
• 32:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
• 32:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: We probably need one here.
• 32:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: He says, but could you see us seeking out a wide receiver via trade before the deadline with Judy's drop issues until his injury?
• 32:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: No.
• 32:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: No.
• 32:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see us seeking out.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see us being buyers at the trade deadline.
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: I see us being big time sellers unfortunately.
• 33:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's some players on this team that could get moved.
• 33:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's players on this team that are going to be very desirable by other teams that are trying to make a push for the playoffs and think they have a shot this year.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's not us.
• 33:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not us at all.
• 33:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: But to talk about the wide receiver core, I got these notes in here, but we can jump around here.
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: This wider silver core on Sunday.
• 33:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you guys have been following.
• 33:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be bad.
• 33:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be real bad.
• 33:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel bad for Dylan Gabriel.
• 33:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had the, again, the comment that got taken way out of context about, you know, if you, if you always wait for the perfect time, you're going to be waiting your whole life.
• 33:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he was just talking about, because he was asked about starting the game over in London.
• 33:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the team was really hoping Joe Flacco was going to be able to,
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: be out there for more of the season.
• 33:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Dylan had more time to kind of develop and get his feet wet in the NFL and all that kind of stuff.
• 33:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, he's kind of getting thrust in this opportunity a little earlier than the Browns had hoped.
• 34:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he made a good point though, like if
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you wait until you're absolutely ready for it, you'll probably never be ready.
• 34:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: They say that about kids and I can totally agree.
• 34:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you wait until you're ready, like if you, till you think you're absolutely ready to have kids, you will never have kids, because you will never be ready.
• 34:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: You just need to do it.
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you think you want to do it,
• 34:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: you just need to do it.
• 34:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, that sort of thing.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Dylan Gabriel's got himself prepared.
• 34:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was ready for his opportunity.
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: It just comes in a terrible situation for him.
• 34:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: This offensive line is bad.
• 34:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is really bad.
• 34:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've got, um, let's see, it's going to be probably Cornelius Lucas at right tackle.
• 34:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then you've got the newcomer, Cam Robinson, the Browns just traded for this week over at
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Cornelius Lucas was horrible last week against T.J.
• 34:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: What?
• 34:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Cam Robinson, at least he's not like a practice squad career backup type of tackle.
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: He is a career starter.
• 34:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying he's a high end starter, but he is a career starter.
• 35:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's at least good for that side of the ball or for that side of the line.
• 35:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the interior, you know, they're older, they're slower, we're just not getting the push up front or the past protections, not great, but this is why Dylan being on time and on target,
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: playing within rhythm and everything with the offense, that's going to be key.
• 35:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: But this wide receiver core, that they are rolling out there for Dylan Gabriel.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's criminal.
• 35:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is criminal.
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is Mr. Drop, everything, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Judy.
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Senator Tillman and the Andre Carter both now on IR, which leaves after Jerry, Judy.
• 35:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: The only two, there's only two other receivers that were on the initial 53 man roster.
• 35:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's second year guy, Jemari Thrash, and Rookie, who missed all of preseason and training camp, Isaiah Bond, those two after Jerry Judy.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: have 14 career receptions in the NFL combined, that's it.
• 36:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: That is what you're working with if you're doing Gabriel.
• 36:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then after that it's two more rookies up from the practice squad.
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we're not rookies.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, two more guys up from the practice squad.
• 36:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: You got rookie gauge Larva Dan and then third year guy who runs will be a rookie because he only got three passes.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think for 16 yards last year with a jet's Malachi Corley, that rounds out your wide receiver core.
• 36:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: So let's go through it one last time if you weren't falling.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jerry Judy, Jamari Thresh, Isaiah Bond, Gage Larvanan, and Malachi Corley.
• 36:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a reason why this game is at 35 and a half points.
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to be good.
• 36:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I can jump into some of these stats here.
• 36:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: for the for the teams.
• 36:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Browns still have the number one defense in the league.
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're allowing just 225.5 yards per game.
• 36:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: But this is where it gets tricky.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Browns allow the fourth fewest passing yards per game at 152.3 but the Vikings.
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: are even better.
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: They allow the third fewest passing yards per game at 155.5.
• 36:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Dylan Gabriel isn't just getting his first start over in London, his first time out of the country, with a crap-wide receiver core.
• 37:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's also going against the third best past defense in the NFL.
• 37:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we've really got to temper our expectations if we feel like we have lofty ones for what Dylan Gabriel might be able to do in this.
• 37:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: In this first game, I mean, this is a top three passing defense that we are rolling him out there against.
• 37:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: They have a seriously good pass rush.
• 37:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: it's it's going to be tough.
• 37:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be tough.
• 37:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, the Browns are still number one defense against the run, just 70.3 yards per game, the Vikings on the other hand, they do give it up on the ground so far this season 130.3 yards per game.
• 37:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if we're going to win this game or have a chance to win or be competitive, it has got to be through a strong run game, successful run game on the ground if we cannot run the ball well.
• 37:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then we're probably screwed.
• 37:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: We are probably screwed because again, like I said, top three passing defense, going into the third round, rookie in his first start, it sucks that the Browns are the third lowest rushing offense in the league at 84.8.
• 38:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: To me, this has the makings of a very, obviously low scoring game, probably a close game for a
• 38:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, mistakes on the off-entic side of the ball or the special teams are just going to, again, give the, give the game away.
• 38:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying like last week against the lines, I felt like we didn't have a shot, did not feel like we had a shot against them.
• 38:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: But against the Vikings, this is one kind of similar to the Packers where if things, you know, the defense continues to play well.
• 38:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we don't give up any big plays or broken plays, miscommunications, you know, to Jefferson or Addison or any of these guys.
• 38:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: then it's one of those things where if it comes down to a couple mistakes here and there maybe on the Viking side at the end of the game maybe the brown squeak out of the wind but I don't think there's any way we come out and just like the monster to believe take it to them.
• 38:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see uh okay we'll get you get your thoughts in the chat guys let me know what you guys are thinking um I even says everything points toward turnovers, O-line wider severs, Vikings, corners like they rotters as a ball hawk not to mention the
• 39:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if I'm the defensive coordinator, defensive line coach for the Vikings, I'm telling my guys, obviously we're Russian the pastor, get your hands up, just get your hands up.
• 39:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's 5-10, he's 5-11, get your hands up.
• 39:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good point.
• 39:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're probably going to see some bad at balls.
• 39:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's going to be some growing pains.
• 39:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're starting a rookie and it's first game ever.
• 39:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this is the Cleveland Browns we're talking about.
• 39:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, why do you see record?
• 39:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Terrible.
• 39:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Probably the worst why do you see record?
• 39:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe anybody's ever rolled out.
• 39:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but I just, this is bad.
• 39:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's really bad.
• 39:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the offensive line is struggling.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've got replacements already in there at the tackles to mess.
• 39:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: So there's definitely gonna be some growing pains for Dylan Gabriel.
• 39:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Vikings, they are a top 10 defense in points allowed just allowing 20 points per game.
• 39:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Browns have only scored 20 points or more.
• 40:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: three times in the last 21 games.
• 40:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I'm not hopeful it's going to happen in this one.
• 40:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: On the flip side, the Browns as a team are allowing opponents to score 25.5 points per game and despite shaky quarterback play, which will get to hear the Vikings are still a top 10 scoring team at 25.5 points per game.
• 40:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Browns are second to the last in the NFL at a pathetic 14
• 40:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: and that is only second to the Tennessee Titans who are terrible at 12 points per game.
• 40:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So again, in the turnover battle, Browns have to play a mistake for against the Vikings defense.
• 40:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: They have seven takeaways on the season, the Browns only have two.
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: On the positive side, I guess if you can call this a positive, the Browns lead the league with eight turnovers, but the Vikings are right behind us with seven.
• 40:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we're pretty close in that department.
• 40:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, as far as the quarterback is concerned for the Vikings, JJ McCarthy, not practicing this week.
• 41:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Most likely he's going to be Carson Wens.
• 41:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think I saw some reports pretty much confirming that.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, he's a turnover prone quarterback that I think we can get after with the past rush.
• 41:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, we're just kind of see how it goes.
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do not want to underestimate what Kevin O'Connell.
• 41:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: has been able to do in Minnesota with sub par quarterbacks over his time there because when we talk about a cubi guru that's Kevin O'Connell not really Kevin's defense keep but we'll see how things look here with doing Gabriel the running back main or top running back Aaron Jones he's on IR so it's Jordan Mason is their main running back and he is like the bigger bruising type of running back that we've had great success shutting down so far this season so I feel confident that we can
• 41:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: clamp down on their run game, force everything to be facilitated through Carson once in the passing game, it's going to come down to can our past rush, force him into mistakes, force him into hurry throws, maybe get a strip sack, maybe get him to hurry a throw and then it's going to come to the secondary.
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Can we actually start converting some of these turnovers?
• 42:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because again, we only have two.
• 42:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: We are not a defense that over the last, what now 22 games,
• 42:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: have created a whole lot of takeaways.
• 42:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we need to be able to do that to give our offensive chance like we were talking about earlier.
• 42:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to come down to probably kicking feel goals.
• 42:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how many touchdowns are really going to be scored either way in this game.
• 42:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: But they do have as bad as our wide receiver room is and our weapons, you know, as weak as that area is, that's how strong they are.
• 42:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: They have
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, arguably the best wide receiver in all of football, Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison would probably be the wide receiver one on.
• 42:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, 20 teams, you know, at least half the league probably teams that don't have like a solidified alpha-wide receiver, that could be Jordan Anderson for a lot of teams.
• 42:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: He would definitely be the number one for us.
• 42:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, so on their side of the ball, they're right tackle, I believe.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let me see if I got to pull up the injury report here.
• 43:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: He, I believe, is out for this game with a knee injury.
• 43:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Overall, they're offensive line seems to be kind of banged up, but then again, like I said,
• 43:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: traded for two days ago.
• 43:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Mike called Jr has already been ruled out for this game with his knee injury.
• 43:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: That would be his fifth game this year obviously hasn't played yet.
• 43:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: So missed all five games so far this year.
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then if we just kind of go through this injury report, it looks like Jack Conklin was practicing in a limit of fashion the last two days.
• 43:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: But he's also been practicing I think a little bit limited the last couple weeks and still hasn't played and then Yeah, my call.
• 43:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there's the Anchor injury from I was scared that we got a look out for he did not practice yesterday limited or projected limited today and they're walked through in London And then I think that's pretty much it as far as what we need to worry about for the Browns.
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: So is there anything else about this game About the Browns Dylan gave real the Vikings all this stuff that you guys
• 44:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: want to talk about, I see we've got Dave, I unit, circ, and the audience.
• 44:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Any of you guys want to jump up here in chat?
• 44:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or, if we pretty much cover everything for this game?
• 44:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or did you guys want to talk any more about the Shador, Miming thing, or anything like that?
• 44:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that this could be a game while you, I see there's some messages coming in the chat.
• 44:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I chance we can get Samson involved.
• 44:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 44:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was just going to say I was going to talk about Quinshawn Judkins being probably the key for our offense to do really anything this week.
• 44:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to like I said have to go through the run game.
• 44:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's going to have to be Quinshawn Judkins.
• 44:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Browns don't seem very interested in getting Dylan Sampson involved, unfortunately.
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: After week one when he caught eight passes for like 63 yards or something, yeah, he's only had a couple of touches here and there in the last three games.
• 44:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they are Blake harped on this last week or week before how we need to get some of these other guys involved in the run game and this is why we, you know, we'd like to see maybe some more Raheem Sanders on the active roster, you know, instead of like Jerome Ford or whatever,
• 45:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: we cannot keep giving Quenchon Judkins 20 plus touches or carries because he's getting more than that with the receptions he's getting to.
• 45:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: In every single game like you're going to run this guy into the ground and wow yes he's a 21 or you know year old rookie running back he's young and all that stuff you don't want him to get hurt and you don't want to wear him down so much that next year or the year after when maybe we're competitive now he's already
• 45:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's starting to break down already or anything like that.
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we do need to be able to offset what we're doing with Quinshawn.
• 45:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I would love to see them get Dylan Stamps and more involved.
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've been asking for this.
• 45:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I know a lot of people say, well, he can't pass block.
• 45:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why he's not in there.
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not asking for them to bring him into pass block.
• 45:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I understand this situation.
• 45:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
• 46:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know that if you want to be in there on third down or passing down, you got to be a pass block too.
• 46:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they, you know, they don't know if you're blocking, going for a route, whatever.
• 46:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Run some design plays to get the ball in this.
• 46:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: This guy's hands because he is shown.
• 46:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, week one that when you get the ball in his hands in space, he can do some stuff.
• 46:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's dangerous weapon and I just don't feel like we're being creative and trying to get him the ball or anything like that.
• 46:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I was a colton earlier that said, probably going to be a vanilla offense.
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Probably going to be very, very basic in vanilla.
• 46:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, Dylan Gabriel's first ever NFL start going against the top three past defense.
• 46:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I really think they're going to try to facilitate as much of this game as they can through Juddkins and the run game and get it out of Gabriel's hands as much as possible.
• 46:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's my expectations for this one.
• 46:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Fatal, no, my CEO are typing.
• 46:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get your comment on here.
• 46:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then I guess we'll wrap it up.
• 46:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Since nobody else wants to come up on stage, I appreciate everybody tuning in.
• 46:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you're listening and watching this after the fact, Fatal, no, he says, if the play action can actually operate, I think will do well.
• 47:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: When we've executed all caps, when we've executed to Fansky's offense,
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: has rolled we saw if often we saw it often with Baker and even Flacco and the 2023 but we've been overwhelmingly one-dimensional and vanilla because the execution hasn't been flowing.
• 47:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think with Gabriel Beings to fanski's guy will be rolling this week, DPJ was proble caliber with Mayfield in this offense and he's not playing anymore.
• 47:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: These wider severs can make things happen with a well executed offense.
• 47:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you know me, you were saying in the chat earlier that you are like going on record saying we will win this week in Sunday or on Sunday and I see what you're saying I just Man, I've watched this team now for four weeks this year and all 17 last year.
• 47:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: and it not been pretty it is he says yes sir I know I'm a man listen if if they come out and they they're just it's like wow we're on win this game that would be great I think that if I think there's a chance obviously that I do give us a chance to win this game but it's going to be more like the Packers game where it's going to be close
• 48:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: we cannot screw up.
• 48:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: We cannot make mistakes.
• 48:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: We cannot give up a freaking punt return for it.
• 48:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: We cannot let them block a kick and return it.
• 48:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: We can't do that stupid crap on special teams that we seem to do every week.
• 48:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: This has to be a mistake free game just like it was against the packers for us to win.
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do think we can, but it's going to be, it's not going to be easy.
• 48:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think.
• 48:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hope I'm wrong.
• 48:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would love to see this offense come out and just spark a life with Dylan Gabriel and everything, but I am definitely temporary my expectation, but if you guys are listening this, watching this after the fact drop it in the comments.
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let me know what you guys think to the brown, to have a shot at winning this game.
• 48:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you not give us a chance in hell?
• 48:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: How do you think Dylan Gabriel is going to do?
• 48:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's start predicting some of his final stat lines.
• 48:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Remember the Vikings are a top three passing defense when you're making those predictions.
• 49:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this is his first start.
• 49:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, it says it reminds me of the 49ers game.
• 49:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: We won in a slug fest low score.
• 49:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right.
• 49:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Back in 2023 in Cleveland, it was rainy.
• 49:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jake Moody missed that field goal at the end of the game.
• 49:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: PJ Walker almost gave it away throwing a near-interception in the end zone.
• 49:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: All that kind of stuff.
• 49:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was, we've definitely had some of those games and this could be one like that.
• 49:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: for sure so let me know what you guys think about this should door mining thing all that stuff I appreciate you tuning in you guys here in the discord thank you for coming into another episode and you know it's I don't like like last week when I did this by myself that's not fun I don't like talking about these preview games all by myself I love hearing from you guys and getting your feedback your opinions your thoughts all that kind of stuff so come back next week we'll do it again when we preview the browns versus the Steelers but right now let's have some
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Some optimist cautiously optimistic.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do that for the Browns on Sunday, circle, get your comment in here real quick.
• 49:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: It says if the offense doesn't start to do well, or at least better not necessarily winning games, but just doing well.
• 50:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: How soon do you think the defense just starts to give up for the season feels like this might be a maker break game?
• 50:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 50:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm definitely concerned about that too, man.
• 50:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like,
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I am concerned that if this offense continues to be a 14 points or less per game type offense, this defense is not going to be able to do what it's doing for an entire season like this.
• 50:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I forget what the, let me see if I can pull it up that note I had last week.
• 50:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Blake Williams on X said that the number one defense, or the, okay, so the defense that
• 50:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: The worst that team has ever finished is 500, and it's happened twice in 2012 and 1977.
• 50:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: The average record for a team that has the number 1 defense in the league is 12 and 5.
• 51:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: So just that right there tells me we will not finish the season with the number 1 defense, because there's no way in hell we're getting the 12 and 5.
• 51:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: He said law of averages says this season goes one to two ways the team either fractures and the defense gets dragged down or the browns end up at least five hundred and I'm not trying to be pessimistic But my money would definitely be on the team fractures and defense gets dragged down side of that equation Blake says defense should never give up.
• 51:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I watched the stealers defense carry them to eight nine wins over year They should take it upon themselves to be the unit that carries
• 51:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it'd be nice, this is the Browns though, it's not the Steelers, it's just what it is, man, like I don't know, I don't know about the culture here.
• 51:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Circles as I agree, but we already see it declining games.
• 51:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: How soon does that start the beginning of games?
• 51:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, yeah, when they're on the field for the majority of the game, yes, or by the end of the game, we saw this last year.
• 51:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: There were a lot of games and, you know, the end of season statistics don't necessarily say the Browns are one of the best defenses in 2024.
• 52:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: But if you watch the games last year, like, I think about the chiefs game in Cleveland last year.
• 52:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that was a close game up through halftime.
• 52:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: We, I mean, our defense clamped down on my homes and that chiefs offense, they really couldn't do anything.
• 52:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Second half is a different story because our offense was three and out three and out.
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: defense can only do so much when you're on the field that much and and then you're getting you know no momentum build on the other side of the ball no motivation there's just no energy it all plays a factor so I'm with you there you could start to see the defense maybe not be quite so quite so fierce as the season goes on especially for one in six one in seven one and eight you know that kind of thing I hope not I hope Blake's right and that the defense
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.
• 52:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I saw Miles Garrett's face last last week when, you know, we were down 34 to 10 and, you know, he was over on the sidelines.
• 53:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just look like, man, what am I doing here?
• 53:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: But we'll see.
• 53:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the Browns can come out of this.
• 53:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Come back home at it.
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: We know with a two and three record going into Pittsburgh and, you know, getting that past our past rush against Aaron Rogers.
• 53:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, anything could happen.
• 53:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what happens.
• 53:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: My first time seeing the brown soul have fun for sure.
• 53:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize you were over there.
• 53:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're in London.
• 53:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Good for you, man.
• 53:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Congratulations.
• 53:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Have fun.
• 53:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Send us some pictures here in the discord.
• 53:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anything that you would feel comfortable with us posting to social media.
• 53:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: We would love to do that and highlight your experience over there.
• 53:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And make sure you let us know on Sunday what it's like.
• 53:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: What's the atmosphere like?
• 53:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because I've never been over to London or anything.
• 53:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I obviously never been to a game overseas.
• 53:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think this would be really cool.
• 53:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: to be at.
• 53:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: So good for you.
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Congratulations.
• 53:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I really do want to hear about that.
• 53:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: So thanks again, everybody tuning in.
• 53:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to wrap this thing up.
• 53:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Get out of here.
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Go watch the Guardians.
• 53:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully beat the Tigers and move on here in the playoffs because we need a Cleveland team that we can actually, you know, go into a game and say, hey, we should we will hopefully win this game and we're expecting it.
• 54:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: But
• 54:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate you guys tuning in.
• 54:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be with you probably again Sunday night.
• 54:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll do the live show with our reactions after the Brown's Vikings game on.
• 54:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, don't forget to set your alarms because it is Sunday morning at 9.30 a.m., each year and we'll see you guys on Sunday.
• 54:31
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• 54:34
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