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#1847 Anti-Ageing, Placebos & Stem Cells - Dr. Jeff Gross · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I get at Welcome to another installing the show. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Jeff's back. We fucking love him. You love him, I
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Speaker 1: love him, We love him. Have you been on any
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Speaker 1: Because I do them every day, like every day of
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Speaker 1: the year, and we're nearly two thousand in. You know,
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm doctor Jeff and I'm a simple country doctor,
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Speaker 1: Look at you. You sound like one of the bluddy
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Speaker 1: You sound like a tain nager.
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Speaker 2: I even say stuff like b R B instead of
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Speaker 2: be right back yeah or r W t F. Why
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Speaker 2: the frown?
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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Yeah, you're the RJ of all of this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, O G what does that stand for?
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Speaker 1: You know what that stands for?
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Speaker 2: I do?
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Speaker 1: How have fine?
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Speaker 2: Hey?
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Speaker 1: Now, dear listeners, I shared this the other day on
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Speaker 1: a show which half of you probably haven't heard, and
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Speaker 1: some of you might have. But let's call it just
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Speaker 1: a refresh because I wanted to ask the doc about this,
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Speaker 1: not necessarily because it's an area of passion or expertise
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Speaker 1: of yours, but you and I both have an interest
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Speaker 1: in motom about share. So this was there was a
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Speaker 1: paper done a while ago. So I'm actually just reading
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Speaker 1: an article about the paper. It's really brief. I want
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Speaker 1: to share it with you, and then I want your
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Speaker 1: thoughts because it's essentially about I'm not even going to
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Speaker 1: tell you.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 1: The article is called the Power of Placebo. What happens
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Speaker 1: when you believe you're taking steroids? Fifteen athletes were scattered
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Speaker 1: around a room. Everyone was looking at Gideon Ariel. That's
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Speaker 1: the researcher. We're going to give you steroids. He lied.
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Speaker 1: It was nineteen to seventy two in Ariol was conducting
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Speaker 1: a study on athletic performance with his research partner William Saville.
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Speaker 1: On this particular day, the two men were offering the
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Speaker 1: athletes an interesting proposition. Ariel explained that the study would
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Speaker 1: last for eleven weeks. The athletes would lift weights for
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Speaker 1: the first seven and those who made the most improvement
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Speaker 1: during the first seven of eleven would be rewarded with
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Speaker 1: a four week program of Diana bol and anabolic steroids.
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Speaker 1: So the last four weeks of training that'd be given
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Speaker 1: a steroid as part of the study to see what
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Speaker 1: the difference was between pre and posts. You know, blah
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Speaker 1: blah blah. What the athletes didn't know was that the
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Speaker 1: researchers were lying. After the initial seven week period, they
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Speaker 1: chose six athletes as the winners. However, despite being told
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Speaker 1: that they were getting real steroids, they were given placebos.
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Speaker 1: What happened next surprised everyone. So four weeks later, when
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Speaker 1: they conducted the final testing after four weeks in inverted
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Speaker 1: commas of steroids, the athletes said all personal records in
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Speaker 1: all athletes in all lifts.
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Speaker 2: Before the placebos, the lifters averaged.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go in pounds because that'll make the
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Speaker 1: most sense to you five point eight pounds to their squad,
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Speaker 1: So seven weeks they improved by five point eight pounds. Now,
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Speaker 1: also I should point out that all of the people
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Speaker 1: in their study were experienced trainers, so they weren't novices,
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Speaker 1: they weren't corporates that they dragged into a gym. They
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Speaker 1: were people with rock bottom of two years consistent gym experience,
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Speaker 1: so they're all reasonably experienced. So before the placebos, in
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Speaker 1: the first seven weeks, on average, they improved by five
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Speaker 1: point eight pounds in their squad or two point six kilos.
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Speaker 1: After the steroids in inverted commas they added an average
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Speaker 1: so in about half the time four weeks versus seven,
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Speaker 1: they added forty one point eight pounds in the following
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Speaker 1: four weeks. So in the first seven weeks their lift
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Speaker 1: went up on squat five point eight pounds, and then
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Speaker 1: the following four went up forty one point eight that's
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Speaker 1: a seven time increase in nearly half the time. And
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Speaker 1: then we go to the bench press, first seven weeks
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Speaker 1: a ten pound improvement, last four weeks on top of
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Speaker 1: the ten, another twenty nine point three Thinking they were
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Speaker 1: taking gear as the kids call it, doctor Jeff. Then
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Speaker 1: this one's quite amazing military press everyone, which is essentially
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Speaker 1: a sholder press vertical from the frontier chest. So military press.
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Speaker 1: First seven weeks they improved by one point six pounds,
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Speaker 1: and then the following four weeks on the pretend steroids,
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Speaker 1: they improved by sixteen point seven pounds. So the bottom
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Speaker 1: line was these guys who were you know, do and
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Speaker 1: seven weeks of training just to see how much strength
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Speaker 1: they could gain doing similar protocol as what they've been
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Speaker 1: doing the last two or three or four or five years.
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Speaker 1: They had marginal improvements. And then when they took four
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Speaker 1: weeks of nothing, but they thought they were taking four
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Speaker 1: weeks of something very anabolic, they blew up their previous pbs.
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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts around that? Like, what comes to
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Speaker 1: mind when I say shit like that to you?
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Speaker 2: Well, I got two elements to respond, first and foremost.
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Speaker 2: There is significant historical and modern repetitive literature on the
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Speaker 2: power of the brain the mind. Let's see, the mind,
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Speaker 2: the brain was the brain being the you know, the
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Speaker 2: the thinking organ, the mind being the deeper interconnected thought
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Speaker 2: in emotions and more. This isn't new. I mean, religions
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Speaker 2: speak to this. You know, people that have certain fantastic
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Speaker 2: control of what they can and can't do. The power
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Speaker 2: of belief in yourself. Uh uh. This isn't new and
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Speaker 2: very few people tap into this because you can train
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Speaker 2: yourself to you can give yourself a placebo, but it's
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Speaker 2: not if you know about it, it's not a placebo.
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Speaker 2: It's just a positive you know, mental motivating direction. So
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Speaker 2: so this I have no problem believing those results. What
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Speaker 2: we're now the second part is what we're lacking here
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Speaker 2: in that particular study is a comparative group where they
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Speaker 2: actually gave someone the seeroods, because we really want to know. Okay,
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Speaker 2: if if people got nothing and they had no increase, yes,
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Speaker 2: and I would have said to that group, hey, you're
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Speaker 2: not getting the steroids, but I want you. I want
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Speaker 2: you to think you did right, pretend you did even
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Speaker 2: though we're not giving you. And then another group gets
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Speaker 2: the placebo, right, which is the study group in this case,
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Speaker 2: and another group should actually freaking get the steroids. We
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Speaker 2: have three groups, and then there's you could even add
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Speaker 2: what's called a no cibo, which is kind of a
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Speaker 2: negative placibo where you you say, hey, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: give you this injection, which is a placebo, and it's
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Speaker 2: gonna it's gonna make it harder to work out and
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Speaker 2: see if those people you know could not reach their
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Speaker 2: usual personal records. Like, there's there's a lot to this
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Speaker 2: because you know, when when you're trying to look at
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Speaker 2: cause and effect, you want to try to meet the
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Speaker 2: postulates of you got to give something or at least
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Speaker 2: the idea of something in this case, and then it
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Speaker 2: has to have a measurab effect. Then you have to
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Speaker 2: take it away again and that effect should go away,
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Speaker 2: and then you give it again and you should have
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Speaker 2: it again. This is all I think. These are Cox
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Speaker 2: postulates or something like that. This, Yeah, you study in
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Speaker 2: philosophy where you how do you what's really cause and
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Speaker 2: effect and what's just correlation? So so those are my thoughts.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that added anything, but I believe this.
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Speaker 2: This makes complete sense to me. So if these guys
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Speaker 2: can get it with a ceilin injection, you can give
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Speaker 2: yourself a mental ceilin injection or reach new personal records
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Speaker 2: every day without this.
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Speaker 1: The challenge is, as you said, though, once we know
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Speaker 1: that we're not actually taking anything, then the belief that
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Speaker 1: we're taking something disappears. And the benefit is in the belief.
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Speaker 1: And are we that weak? Are we that mentally weak?
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Speaker 1: I think, well, it's really interesting, isn't it, Because so there's.
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Speaker 2: Like that the relationship.
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Speaker 1: Between as you said, we'll go with mine, but the
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Speaker 1: relationship between you know, our psychology, our minds, and our
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Speaker 1: physiology is profound. Like if I think something bad's going
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Speaker 1: to happen, but something bad isn't going to happen in
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Speaker 1: the next five minutes, but I think it is, then
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Speaker 1: my body responds as though the threat is real despite
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Speaker 1: the fact that there's no threat, right, because my body
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Speaker 1: can't distinguish between what is real and what I think
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Speaker 1: is real. And those guys their body couldn't distinguish between
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Speaker 1: what they thought was a real drug and what actually
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Speaker 1: wasn't a real And so I guess that's not explaining
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Speaker 1: the mechanism. But nonetheless we go, well, there's this physiological
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Speaker 1: outcome which is real, provided or at least in part
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Speaker 1: responsibly attributed to a thought about something like that wasn't real.
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Speaker 1: Like how do we like knowing this? I've had a
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Speaker 1: guy called Professor Jeffrey Reddicker from Harvard Business School on
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Speaker 1: here twice, not Harvard Medical school, I should say, who's
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Speaker 1: a researcher and a psychiatrist and a medical doctor and
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Speaker 1: you would love him. He's fascinating. But we spoke about this.
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Speaker 1: But like knowing that placebo work works is not the
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Speaker 1: same as being able to turn it on, you know,
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Speaker 1: because once you know that that drug's not real or
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Speaker 1: that thing's not real, then it kind of makes it,
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Speaker 1: you know, inert now, like this is the thing? How
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Speaker 1: do we I mean the lifelong sorry but yeah, just
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Speaker 1: hant If I know that I can heal myself or
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Speaker 1: I know that I can make myself ridiculously stronger just
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Speaker 1: by a shift in what's happening in my mind, right,
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Speaker 1: how do I do that? How do I access that
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Speaker 1: all the time?
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Speaker 2: That that man, if you could bottle that, that's the essence, right,
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Speaker 2: that's and that's how some people, you know, they will
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Speaker 2: themselves out of cancer, and other people are stressed to
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Speaker 2: the maximum will themselves into it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, because you thoughts have a consequence, right, right consequence. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: A lot of self help programs and books and teaps
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Speaker 2: me or teaps are are you know, based on the
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Speaker 2: power of the mind and what you can do, and
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Speaker 2: it's it could take years to master that.
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Speaker 1: It's like when you dream, you know, I mean, I
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Speaker 1: know this is fundamental, but just trying to you know,
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Speaker 1: open the door for our audience. Like when you dream
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Speaker 1: that you're in the middle of a you know, a
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Speaker 1: terrible situation, but you're not. You're in bed and you're
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Speaker 1: safe and everything's good. But you dream that you're in
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Speaker 1: the middle of a horrible situation where your body buys
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Speaker 1: into it. And then you wake up and you look
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Speaker 1: around and you're good and it's good and it's all
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Speaker 1: safe and there is no threat, but nonetheless your body
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Speaker 1: doesn't realize that for.
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Speaker 2: A while, right, I mean you, I mean this is
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Speaker 2: and we're going here with neuralink, and you know, if
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Speaker 2: we can if we can read waves of the brain
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Speaker 2: during certain thoughts, well we can simulate those thoughts by
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Speaker 2: giving those same electrical impulses back and to simulate those waves.
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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what how neuralink works, right, It's like
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Speaker 2: neural electro or electro neural interface. Yeah, so could we
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Speaker 2: develop a neuralink that makes you think you got an
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Speaker 2: antibox steroid injection? Yes, of course we can. So we're
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Speaker 2: learning more about the final frontier of the brain here
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Speaker 2: in medicine and in physiology, and how the brain and
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Speaker 2: the mind, you know, the brain controls the mind, right, so,
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Speaker 2: and how we develop that and you know, develop it
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Speaker 2: in such a way that that we can use it
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Speaker 2: as a tool for good. Do you know what I think?
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Speaker 1: Also, Doc, I mean on a different level, but still
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Speaker 1: in the same ballpark. You know, if I go to
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Speaker 1: a doc, let's say I go to see you, I
14:30
Speaker 1: go to see another doctor. Then I go to see you,
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Speaker 1: and I go, I've got this this pain, you know whatever,
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Speaker 1: And I go and the first doctor's got terrible bedside
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Speaker 1: manner for one of a better term. Yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: he's seeing thirty seven patients today. He doesn't give a
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Speaker 1: fuck about me. He's backsaw, he's hungry, he's human. It's
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Speaker 1: all okay. But I go in and I go and
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Speaker 1: I tell him about my symptoms and then he has
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Speaker 1: a worried look on his face or you know. And
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Speaker 1: my point is the way that he responds to and
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Speaker 1: treats and talks to me and seems too or the
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Speaker 1: impression he gives me about my symptoms like that creates
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Speaker 1: for me a real me personally, Like I've been in Australia,
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Speaker 1: every second person gets skin cancer, right, And I've had
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Speaker 1: probably fifteen basil cell carcinomis and squarema cells cut off me,
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Speaker 1: and you know a bunch of stuff. And I've got
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Speaker 1: a skin cancer doctor who's fucking amazing, and he's like,
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Speaker 1: he can make me feel calm and relaxed in thirty
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Speaker 1: seconds because he just has a way of communicating and
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Speaker 1: informing and he has a certain energy. Do you ever
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Speaker 1: think about how you are around patients and the impact
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Speaker 1: of your energy and your communication on everything from their
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Speaker 1: response in the moment to their potential healing every day?
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Speaker 2: I mean that, you know, doctors are supposed to rise
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Speaker 2: above whatever is ailing them and take themselves out of
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Speaker 2: it when dealing with a patient, right, And I may
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Speaker 2: be having a stressful, bad day, but I can't let
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Speaker 2: that impact you know, what I'm trying to share with
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Speaker 2: the patient. Sometimes I have to share bad news with
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Speaker 2: the patient. You know, you give up. You know, when
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Speaker 2: I used to work in the trauma center, I'd have
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Speaker 2: to go out and meet with the families and say, look,
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Speaker 2: you know your your son is dead. He's died. You know,
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Speaker 2: we had we we were trained to say the word
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Speaker 2: dead or died as many times as possible because it
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Speaker 2: has to sink in. But you got to do it.
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Speaker 2: You got to You got to do it in the
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Speaker 2: solemn and upfront way, and and and the opposite too.
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Speaker 2: You know, you want to give someone hope, but you
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Speaker 2: want to be realistic. And there's there's a lot that
16:55
Speaker 2: goes into the bedside manner. Is is formed when you
16:59
Speaker 2: are are when you're young, and if you're ornery going
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Speaker 2: into medical school, you're you better be a pathologist or
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Speaker 2: an antithesiologist or something where people are asleep or dead.
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Speaker 1: How much to what? To what level is empathy a
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Speaker 1: good thing or a bad thing when you're at the
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Speaker 1: call face of that kind of job, like when you're
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Speaker 1: dealing with really hard, hard conversations, hard medical challenge. Is
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Speaker 1: this an advantage or disadvantage?
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Speaker 2: It's a I think it's an advantage as long as
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Speaker 2: we balance it right. Because when you give bad news
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Speaker 2: and you're also giving okay, you've got you know, someone,
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Speaker 2: let's say you give them a cancer diagnosis, but there
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Speaker 2: are treatments, and you know, you give them hope, but
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Speaker 2: you want to say, you know, I have one professor
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Speaker 2: that just couldn't couldn't give the downside. Oh we'll help you.
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Speaker 2: Don't worry, don't worry, you know, but you can't. You
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Speaker 2: can't say that. You have to be realistic and you
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Speaker 2: have to give them the actual evidence. So you know,
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Speaker 2: this is a tough diagnosis. We're going to do everything
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Speaker 2: we can. We'll give you all the options, we'll go
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Speaker 2: over the statistics about how how these play out with
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Speaker 2: certain treatments and will help you make a good decision.
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Speaker 2: So sorry. You know, empathy has a rule there, but
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Speaker 2: it can't cloud the the giving of facts and evidence.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's take a left turn. What's happening, what's
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Speaker 1: new or what's evolving or what is on the horizon
18:34
Speaker 1: in terms of anti aging or what's happening right now?
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Speaker 1: And I know that's very broad and there's a million things,
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Speaker 1: but like, what has your attention? What what are you
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Speaker 1: excited about? What can you teach us?
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Speaker 2: Well, what's what's happening here and exploding over the last
18:52
Speaker 2: since we talked a month ago. As you know, the
18:54
Speaker 2: peptides and we've talked about those briefly before. But peptides
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Speaker 2: are just they're everywhere, and pure are identifying new peptides
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Speaker 2: they're becoming available. Uh, and we're we are seeing some
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Speaker 2: really cool things with peptides, bioregulators, therapeutic peptides, all kinds
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Speaker 2: of things like this is this is going to continue
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Speaker 2: to expand and become I think one of the earliest
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Speaker 2: and longstanding ways to address symptoms problems associated with disease
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Speaker 2: and aging. M So, I don't know if you have
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Speaker 2: access to those in your in your.
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Speaker 1: It's minimal, like everything is massively regulated here. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's just like we spoke about last time, just now
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Speaker 1: where I mean like, yeah, you can accessing homeland therapy
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Speaker 1: like TRT for men who need it. Is I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's it's almost impossible. Peptides are pretty much in the
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Speaker 1: same I don't know. Australia seems to be very very
20:16
Speaker 1: slow to get its head around the fact that, you know,
20:21
Speaker 1: like happy to sell you one hundred cigarettes at a
20:24
Speaker 1: time that you can smoke this afternoon, you know, but
20:28
Speaker 1: for God's sake, don't take any testosterone or don't put
20:31
Speaker 1: a peptide in your body. You know. It's just I
20:34
Speaker 1: think we're a little bit in the dark ages.
20:38
Speaker 2: Well we still you know here, it's still under you know,
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Speaker 2: they call it research, right, you have to get these
20:42
Speaker 2: under research. But yeah, but there's so much distrust in
20:47
Speaker 2: government and what government recommends that. Yes, if government says
20:53
Speaker 2: one thing, you know, people go the other way. So
20:55
Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's fairly straightforward to our team them.
21:00
Speaker 2: Here in the US, there's so many online websites you
21:03
Speaker 2: can buy them. They're not a traditional medical treatment per
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Speaker 2: se unless they're approved as such, like insulin or GLP
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Speaker 2: one agonist like the ozembics and a glue tat ta. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: both we take. We take these all the time. Melatonin
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Speaker 2: is a peptide, for example.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, right right, Yeah, we spoke about that last time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: In Australia, you can only get it if you're over
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Speaker 1: the counter two milligrams if you're fifty five or older.
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Speaker 1: Other than that, it's got to be on a prescription.
21:37
Speaker 1: And I think also a big difference between the States
21:39
Speaker 1: and here is pretty much the laws are the same
21:44
Speaker 1: across Australia, whereas you have state to state cannabis is legal,
21:48
Speaker 1: it's illegal. You know that there's a bunch of like
21:52
Speaker 1: state to state variations in terms of what's okay to
21:55
Speaker 1: do and what's what okay to do is.
21:58
Speaker 2: That air you have? We have civil cold war. I'm
22:02
Speaker 2: not so cold here. You think about the American Civil War,
22:08
Speaker 2: we can dive into history for a minute. The American
22:10
Speaker 2: Civil War was based upon a federal law where some
22:16
Speaker 2: states decided they didn't like that federal law and they
22:20
Speaker 2: would have their own state law. It was different. So
22:23
Speaker 2: we have that now. We've had it over cannabis. Right,
22:26
Speaker 2: we have the federal government still saying no and many
22:30
Speaker 2: states saying yes. And at least until recently, we were
22:36
Speaker 2: so over governmentalized and federalized that the federal side was winning.
22:45
Speaker 2: So this whole concept about the states making their own decisions,
22:48
Speaker 2: which was really part of our initial tapestry, you know,
22:52
Speaker 2: this popular sovereignty. So until recently that has that has
22:56
Speaker 2: been you know, quashed, but I think we might be
23:00
Speaker 2: coming back. So we have that. We have that now
23:02
Speaker 2: in stem cells. The state of Utah and I think
23:08
Speaker 2: recently the state of Arkansas have approved certain claims on
23:12
Speaker 2: stem cells where the federal government does not approve any
23:15
Speaker 2: claims on stem cells. By the way, mark, we're talking
23:17
Speaker 2: marketing claims.
23:18
Speaker 1: Yes.
23:18
Speaker 2: So as as much as we have free speech in America,
23:23
Speaker 2: we have it until we don't.
23:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And is that is that something that's embraced
23:37
Speaker 1: by people like the potential of using stem cell therapy
23:41
Speaker 1: and is it you know, is it on the rise
23:43
Speaker 1: because it seems to be like part of the future anyway.
23:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of the present here, and the people
23:52
Speaker 2: that seek it should have access to it. I haven't
23:57
Speaker 2: met a patient that hasn't been the least interesting and
24:00
Speaker 2: talking about it or has heard of it and wants
24:03
Speaker 2: to talk about it. The big controlling factor there as
24:07
Speaker 2: many patients, Uh, the health insurance won't pay for it
24:11
Speaker 2: because it's so governmentally controlled that that they can't do
24:16
Speaker 2: it even if they want to. So the only people
24:19
Speaker 2: that are really fighting against it would be those people
24:21
Speaker 2: in the big pharma sector or those people who stand
24:26
Speaker 2: to you know, like make money from alternatives.
24:32
Speaker 1: Mmmmm yeah. What about when we think about anti aging,
24:40
Speaker 1: is like how much of that is about I mean,
24:44
Speaker 1: there are a lot of variables, but how much of
24:46
Speaker 1: it is about environment and climate and situation and circumstance
24:51
Speaker 1: and you know, just just the way that you do life.
24:56
Speaker 1: I mean, is that is that a variable that we
25:00
Speaker 1: can manage without having to without any kind of medical
25:05
Speaker 1: or clinical intervention? Oh?
25:07
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think the vast majority of we'll call it
25:12
Speaker 2: lifestyle factor management is the controller for anti aging. This
25:18
Speaker 2: is called epigenetics, and recent publications on this suggest the same.
25:23
Speaker 2: Even though we used to think it was more genetics
25:25
Speaker 2: than anything. Right fifty years ago they said, wow, you're
25:29
Speaker 2: sixty and you look great and you're still active. You
25:32
Speaker 2: must have good genes. Well now we say you must
25:34
Speaker 2: have really earned it, because it's it's it's about what
25:38
Speaker 2: you put into it over the longest period of time.
25:40
Speaker 2: It's the area under the curve of time and effort.
25:44
Speaker 2: Like anything.
25:49
Speaker 1: My mom and dad have both had heart attacks, and
25:53
Speaker 1: my mom's had cancer three times, and you know they're
25:59
Speaker 1: somehow both still around at eighty five, right, So they're
26:01
Speaker 1: resilient if nothing else. But I I've you know, since
26:06
Speaker 1: I was young. Obviously, I've worked in fitness and health,
26:09
Speaker 1: but I've done everything humanly possible, I think, to try
26:14
Speaker 1: to optimize what I have to work with. But I'm
26:18
Speaker 1: still aware that that's, you know, like all I can
26:21
Speaker 1: control is all I can control, you know. So I
26:24
Speaker 1: still have high blood pressure, which is just genetic. Don't smoke,
26:27
Speaker 1: don't drink, I ate two meals a day, I train
26:29
Speaker 1: every day, I'm lean, but I still have high blood pressure.
26:33
Speaker 1: So there's some things we just need to manage, right.
26:37
Speaker 2: I mean we the more we put into controlling our environment,
26:43
Speaker 2: like you said, exercise, hormesis, diet supplements, aversion to bad things,
26:53
Speaker 2: you know, And it could be in the environment, It
26:56
Speaker 2: could be in the water source, could be what you
26:59
Speaker 2: choose at the grocery store, those kinds of things you
27:03
Speaker 2: call them grocery stores there, Craig, Yeah.
27:06
Speaker 1: Close enough. Well, probably supermarkets, but I think.
27:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, the big ones we call supermarkets as well. So
27:14
Speaker 2: the that that's the main contributor to how you end up.
27:18
Speaker 2: So you know, you put you've always put a lot
27:21
Speaker 2: of effort into that, and maybe in part because you
27:23
Speaker 2: saw your parents and you thought, oh yeah, yeah, I gotta,
27:26
Speaker 2: I gotta, I gotta make an effort here if I
27:27
Speaker 2: want to have a healthy life, healthy long life, a
27:30
Speaker 2: good health span.
27:32
Speaker 1: This is a psychology question. Then I've got a couple
27:35
Speaker 1: of specific rand eyed questions for you. But my site
27:38
Speaker 1: question is why do you.
27:40
Speaker 2: Think that.
27:42
Speaker 1: It often takes a catastrophe or knee catastrophe for people
27:47
Speaker 1: to go, oh fuck, I'm going to change my life.
27:51
Speaker 2: Well, uh, if you if you're if you're plane encounters
27:57
Speaker 2: a wind, it can easily correct course and get back
27:59
Speaker 2: on that course. And that course is the path of
28:04
Speaker 2: least resistance. It's it's known, it's it's easy. Big changes
28:09
Speaker 2: are hard, and uh, you know, you've got to shock
28:13
Speaker 2: the system to really to really get that. So I think,
28:17
Speaker 2: I think to reach that level of stress or or
28:21
Speaker 2: catastrophe or whatever it is, is what we And we
28:26
Speaker 2: see this too, and I see this in medicine all
28:27
Speaker 2: the time. Right, someone has a heart attack and then
28:29
Speaker 2: they Okay, I guess now I should get in shape,
28:31
Speaker 2: you know, a little late to the party, but it
28:33
Speaker 2: does help prevent the next one. And you know, things
28:38
Speaker 2: like a family member getting cancer makes you start to
28:41
Speaker 2: behave differently something like that. So it just it takes
28:44
Speaker 2: something that's drastic life or death life changing to be
28:49
Speaker 2: life changing. And also I feel darc like where.
28:55
Speaker 1: We're so hard I don't know, maybe evolutionarily when not,
29:00
Speaker 1: but it seems like in twenty twenty five we're very
29:03
Speaker 1: hardwired for comfort, Like we love fucking comfort.
29:06
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, I agree with you one hundred percent. Yeah,
29:12
Speaker 2: we have our routine. We know it's easily manageable, you know,
29:18
Speaker 2: foods that are easy to come by, or prepare nighttime activities,
29:23
Speaker 2: you know, you know, instead of you know, physical We
29:26
Speaker 2: were sitting around on the couch here and yeah, which
29:28
Speaker 2: is great American pastime, right, Yeah.
29:32
Speaker 1: And we love I mean, we love certainty, we love predictability,
29:35
Speaker 1: we love instant gratification, we love fucking magic pills, we
29:39
Speaker 1: love quick fixes, we love all things easy. But it's
29:43
Speaker 1: in the doing of the easy that we actually deprive
29:47
Speaker 1: ourselves from building strength and resilience and adaptability and capability
29:51
Speaker 1: because we're always choosing that the most convenient, most comfortable thing,
29:57
Speaker 1: which for a minute is going to be all, but
30:00
Speaker 1: eventually you're going to be hit with a reality stick.
30:02
Speaker 1: Can you get to go fucking hell? I can't cope
30:05
Speaker 1: with anything that's even slightly uncomfortable.
30:10
Speaker 2: It's profound. Actually, I agree with you one hundred percent.
30:12
Speaker 2: Think about the more stress we have, the more we
30:15
Speaker 2: veer off our path, the more stuff we got to
30:19
Speaker 2: take care of or add to our plate, the more
30:21
Speaker 2: cortisol we release from the dream glands. And then if
30:24
Speaker 2: you release more cortisol, you suppress the the content and
30:28
Speaker 2: happy areas of the brain. You release fewer endorphins. So
30:33
Speaker 2: why are people happy in their own little bubble because
30:37
Speaker 2: they get more endorphins. You're getting a dose of narcotics
30:41
Speaker 2: every time. You know, you're lazy. Now, there are some
30:46
Speaker 2: people who thrive on the benefits of exercising. It can
30:50
Speaker 2: actually get the endorphins from that. So you really got
30:52
Speaker 2: to get over into that hump. But I agree with you.
30:55
Speaker 2: I think that there's a physiologic basis for it and
30:59
Speaker 2: it but what you said is profound in that d
31:03
Speaker 2: to day it might work, but in the big picture
31:05
Speaker 2: works against us.
31:08
Speaker 1: And it seems like I mean, I get it. I
31:10
Speaker 1: love it too. It seems like a good idea, but eventually,
31:14
Speaker 1: you know, it's like as an exercise scientist, right, I've
31:18
Speaker 1: been talking to people about you know, you know, their
31:20
Speaker 1: training and their all the bullshit forever. But the amount
31:24
Speaker 1: of people who are always going to start soon you
31:28
Speaker 1: know they're not starting today. You know, friends of mine
31:31
Speaker 1: and people that would stop. I'm not talking about people
31:34
Speaker 1: who've just joined a gym, but just out and about
31:36
Speaker 1: people who talk to me and they're like, yeah, I've
31:37
Speaker 1: really got to start off it. I'm like, how about today?
31:40
Speaker 1: Today is not good? You know, like it's never now,
31:43
Speaker 1: it's never today, it's always soon, And then you look
31:47
Speaker 1: up and it's five years later and it's still fucking soon.
31:50
Speaker 1: It's still not today, it's still not now, right, And
31:54
Speaker 1: the thing is that, you know, like the thing that
31:58
Speaker 1: we need to do to live our values or to
32:02
Speaker 1: get the best out of ourselves is often not the
32:05
Speaker 1: thing that we want to do in the moment, so
32:08
Speaker 1: we're always putting that on some kind of to do list,
32:12
Speaker 1: but not today. You know, there's so that you know,
32:17
Speaker 1: and then you wake up. I did a corporate gig
32:19
Speaker 1: yesterday and it was anyway, it went really well. It
32:24
Speaker 1: was a really nice session. One of the things that
32:26
Speaker 1: I do is, you know, say, look, don't overthink this,
32:31
Speaker 1: but who wants to change their body in some way
32:34
Speaker 1: whatever that means, you know, just change the way that
32:36
Speaker 1: your body works or functions, you know, feels, and every
32:40
Speaker 1: hand goes up, hundreds of hands go up, and then
32:44
Speaker 1: I go cool, who's going to do the work starting today?
32:46
Speaker 1: And then like no, hands go up, right. So there's
32:50
Speaker 1: a big difference between what I would like to happen
32:54
Speaker 1: and what I'm going to make happen, because one requires
32:58
Speaker 1: no effort and one requires is all the effort.
33:03
Speaker 2: How many of your friends and colleagues have had this
33:06
Speaker 2: great idea, maybe for a patent or a process or
33:11
Speaker 2: and but have never done anything except tell you about
33:15
Speaker 2: their idea and say, or when someone else executes on
33:20
Speaker 2: that idea, they say, oh, I had that idea years ago,
33:24
Speaker 2: but you sat on it. So you know, there's a saying,
33:29
Speaker 2: uh that I don't completely love. It's called knowledge is power.
33:33
Speaker 2: You hear that one before? Well, in my mind, knowledge
33:38
Speaker 2: is is cool, But executing on knowledge that's the power.
33:43
Speaker 2: Got it? You got to not just want it, You
33:46
Speaker 2: got to do that. You got to walk the walk,
33:48
Speaker 2: not just talk the talk. And this this you know,
33:51
Speaker 2: in terms of starting, let me give you some financial advice, Craig,
33:54
Speaker 2: because I'm you know, I'm a financial whiz.
33:57
Speaker 1: I'm ready.
33:57
Speaker 2: The best The best time to invest is yesterday. Yeah. Yeah,
34:02
Speaker 2: So if you didn't, if you want to start a
34:05
Speaker 2: workout plan, you're already behind. For those of you sitting
34:09
Speaker 2: around on the couch. And and I didn't mean that
34:12
Speaker 2: judgmentally because I do also sometimes sit on the couch. Now,
34:17
Speaker 2: thank God for my wife. She's uh, she said, you
34:20
Speaker 2: know what we haven't been good about the gym since COVID.
34:23
Speaker 2: We go here and there, we do our walks we started.
34:26
Speaker 2: In the last five weeks, we've been hitting. I'm going
34:29
Speaker 2: to give a plug for pilates here to get back
34:32
Speaker 2: in shape. Pilates is kicking my reader.
34:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, so are you doing the reform A bad one?
34:39
Speaker 2: Yeah? We do get up, stand up and do some
34:41
Speaker 2: things as well, but it's reformer base and I'm working
34:46
Speaker 2: different leg muscles and things I didn't realize I was
34:51
Speaker 2: going to have to in life. So it's been great.
34:53
Speaker 2: I've been putting my muscle mass back on, having a
34:55
Speaker 2: little protein drink as we talk in my protein and
35:01
Speaker 2: I I can't thank her enough for making sure we
35:06
Speaker 2: get up and she even once she's like, let's do
35:08
Speaker 2: that six am class. I'm like, okay, crazy lady, let's go. Okay, Well,
35:13
Speaker 2: we get up and we go, we get o and
35:15
Speaker 2: then we come back and then get ready for work.
35:17
Speaker 1: So I just really love her.
35:20
Speaker 2: I really do. And man, she looks good on a reformer.
35:26
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll try not think about that too much, but
35:29
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm with you in the you know,
35:32
Speaker 1: it's it's like what you know, as you said, knowledge
35:35
Speaker 1: is great. Knowledge is knowledge is potential power, depending on
35:38
Speaker 1: what we do or don't do with it. You know,
35:40
Speaker 1: it's like even with these I've said this too many
35:44
Speaker 1: times to my listeners, but you know, we've literally got
35:48
Speaker 1: somewhere around two thousand hours two thousand hours of content online,
35:54
Speaker 1: and you know, listening is good and being inspired or
36:00
Speaker 1: informed or educated or amused or entertained is good. And
36:03
Speaker 1: if your only reason for listening is because you just
36:06
Speaker 1: want to listen, that's then tickety boot, tick the box,
36:09
Speaker 1: You've done it. But if one of your reasons for
36:12
Speaker 1: listening is because there's stuff that you want to change,
36:15
Speaker 1: if you want to change how you look, feel, function, operate,
36:18
Speaker 1: the way that you communicate, the way that you self regulate,
36:21
Speaker 1: the way that you manage your mind and your emotions
36:24
Speaker 1: and choices and behaviors and outcomes, then listening does fuck all.
36:29
Speaker 1: It's like, listening is good, but it's like what can
36:32
Speaker 1: I operationalize? What do I know? And what am I
36:35
Speaker 1: doing with what I know regarding what I need to change?
36:39
Speaker 1: And that is the you know, because there and I
36:41
Speaker 1: mean this with respect to all of our listeners, of course,
36:44
Speaker 1: but it's like listening and knowing stuff requires not much effort,
36:48
Speaker 1: not much effort, but actually taking that theory and transforming
36:53
Speaker 1: it from an idea and intention, a plan or a
36:56
Speaker 1: goal into real world behavior. That kind of sucks. That's
37:00
Speaker 1: a different proposition, yep.
37:03
Speaker 2: So sometimes people can create an incentive for themselves. And
37:09
Speaker 2: I heard about a website or an app on the
37:12
Speaker 2: phone where you can deposit some money and only if
37:15
Speaker 2: you accomplish whatever goal it is, do you get the
37:17
Speaker 2: money back.
37:18
Speaker 1: That's so good. That's so good. That's well. I mean,
37:23
Speaker 1: that wouldn't work for me, but I think that would
37:25
Speaker 1: work for a lot of people. It's not the dumbest side,
37:28
Speaker 1: Like I reckon this doc. I always say to people,
37:33
Speaker 1: there's no best protocol, but there's the best protocol for you,
37:36
Speaker 1: because you know, not only not only clinically and not
37:42
Speaker 1: only from a pharmacology point of view, but psychologically. Or
37:46
Speaker 1: you know, the best workout for me might injure you,
37:50
Speaker 1: or the best workout for you might be too hard
37:54
Speaker 1: for me, or whatever. Right, And it's and where kind
37:56
Speaker 1: of similar age is should probably similar height and weight.
38:00
Speaker 1: And it's not like there's the best workout, or there's
38:02
Speaker 1: the best diet, or there's but it's trying to find
38:05
Speaker 1: you know, what is how does my body respond to
38:09
Speaker 1: these various stimuli? Like what is Some people are great
38:12
Speaker 1: with six and a half hours sleep? I wish I
38:15
Speaker 1: was because I would love to sleep less, because I
38:17
Speaker 1: would love to do more. But I can't. If I
38:20
Speaker 1: have regularly six or five and a half hours, I'm
38:22
Speaker 1: no good. My brain doesn't work the same, my body
38:24
Speaker 1: doesn't recover the same everything, right, so I need Like,
38:29
Speaker 1: what's optimal for me is about eight hours. What's optimal
38:33
Speaker 1: for me is two meals a day. What's optimals for
38:36
Speaker 1: me is regular traditional strength training. And that's because I've
38:40
Speaker 1: been an n equals one project my whole life, and
38:43
Speaker 1: I know how my mind, body, emotions respond to various stimuli, right,
38:47
Speaker 1: And I think part of this is people being able
38:52
Speaker 1: to try and test things for themselves, you know, not
38:56
Speaker 1: in a reckless way, but in a sensible way to
38:59
Speaker 1: learn how to operate their own body.
39:03
Speaker 2: I agree with you. Everyone is an individual, and your
39:07
Speaker 2: physiologic needs are different than someone else's. You work out
39:11
Speaker 2: every day, which is maybe another reason why you need
39:14
Speaker 2: that eight hours. I would imagine that more sedentary people
39:19
Speaker 2: don't need eight hours because they don't need as much
39:22
Speaker 2: cellular repair at night and rebuild. But in the long run,
39:27
Speaker 2: you're doing good things for yourself. So it comes back
39:31
Speaker 2: to the incentive. You're motivated. Everyone has their own why why?
39:38
Speaker 2: What would it take? Yes, you know why should I
39:41
Speaker 2: do this?
39:41
Speaker 1: Right?
39:42
Speaker 2: What's your why here? You know a lot of business
39:44
Speaker 2: people like to do that, you know in their marketing.
39:46
Speaker 2: What's the why why should I buy an iPhone? Yeah,
39:49
Speaker 2: you know that kind of thing.
39:52
Speaker 1: And I think also with this, like we're really talking
39:54
Speaker 1: about I talk to people a lot about what is
39:58
Speaker 1: the thing that is going to best work for you?
40:00
Speaker 1: And how do we turn that ideal behavior or you know, protocol?
40:06
Speaker 1: How do we turn that into a habit? So that
40:09
Speaker 1: now this is just part of your normal operating system.
40:12
Speaker 1: This is not something that you need self control, willpower, discipline, focus, inspiration.
40:19
Speaker 1: You can't do that, Like, you can't do that or
40:22
Speaker 1: be that every day. So how do I how do
40:26
Speaker 1: I operationalize certain things and turn them into hardwired habits?
40:30
Speaker 1: So now this is just what I do on autopilot.
40:34
Speaker 1: This is not what I do when I'm in the zone.
40:37
Speaker 1: This is my new normal, right.
40:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of your your regular day. It's you
40:43
Speaker 2: feel funny if you don't do it, you you're yeah,
40:46
Speaker 2: I agree with you. Yeah, So these habits are formed, right,
40:49
Speaker 2: you start small, but continuum. You do it once or once,
40:53
Speaker 2: then it's twice, and it's a tradition and et cetera.
40:56
Speaker 1: Yes. One of the things I get asked a lot
40:59
Speaker 1: is how you how do you stay so motivated to
41:01
Speaker 1: do this and that? And I go, I don't, like,
41:03
Speaker 1: I don't stay motivated like it's just like, you don't
41:08
Speaker 1: need to get inspired to clean your teeth, Like nothing
41:11
Speaker 1: in your mind goes will I or wont I clean
41:14
Speaker 1: my teeth today? Because it's a hardwired thing, you know.
41:18
Speaker 1: Then you go, oh, well, what if I extrapolate that
41:21
Speaker 1: kind of reality into whatever it is a daily walk,
41:25
Speaker 1: a daily run, or healthy eating. So now I don't
41:29
Speaker 1: need to white knuckle it through the next three months
41:31
Speaker 1: of trying to live up to this standard that's not
41:34
Speaker 1: maintainable with willpower, you know.
41:38
Speaker 2: And now we're coming full circle back to the Placebo study.
41:41
Speaker 2: What is that it'sil switch to go from not doing
41:46
Speaker 2: something to doing something, or go from not reaching a
41:50
Speaker 2: personal record to reaching a personal record? Yes, what is that?
41:56
Speaker 2: That thing is Are we tapping back into that same
41:59
Speaker 2: brain center where the placebo works.
42:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think the thing is belief rot It's
42:05
Speaker 1: like belief is the magic. Like if you believe that
42:09
Speaker 1: you're taking something, your body responds according to the belief.
42:15
Speaker 2: Yes, I think you are sending signals to your body like, hey,
42:19
Speaker 2: I got a steroid. I will be growing so I
42:22
Speaker 2: can work harder, I can lift harder, I'll be able
42:24
Speaker 2: to take it now it won't hurt as much. You know,
42:28
Speaker 2: you're right. I think it turns into a The belief
42:32
Speaker 2: and motivation centers are probably very closely related. And when
42:36
Speaker 2: you look at motive, let's look at motivation for a minute. Yeah,
42:39
Speaker 2: because again this is probably the thing that holds people
42:43
Speaker 2: back the most. When you look at motivation, we know this.
42:47
Speaker 2: It's driven by tassosterone. It's probably located in the frontal
42:51
Speaker 2: lobe prefrontal lobe, because you look at people with seizures
42:56
Speaker 2: and strokes and things, and they can lose motivation to
42:58
Speaker 2: do anything. The pre frontal lobe is more of a
43:02
Speaker 2: planning area. Let's say I want to swing on my
43:08
Speaker 2: golf club. Uh, A part of my brain has to go, Okay,
43:12
Speaker 2: you're gonna get your golf club, You're gonna wind it
43:15
Speaker 2: up behind you, You're gonna get your stance, You're going
43:17
Speaker 2: to address the ball, et cetera. You know, there's that
43:20
Speaker 2: whole plan in the motor planning area or activity planning area.
43:24
Speaker 2: So there's something about stimulating those. So when you if
43:28
Speaker 2: you look at a group of at least guys, for example,
43:31
Speaker 2: if I'm sorry in your vernacular blokes, you taught me
43:35
Speaker 2: how to say blokes last.
43:36
Speaker 1: Time, I think, yeah, good boy, good boy, go right.
43:39
Speaker 2: Thank you. So if you look at a bunch of
43:42
Speaker 2: blokes and you look at how many if you give them,
43:45
Speaker 2: Let's say you did a study and you get a
43:47
Speaker 2: thousand blokes and you give you give, you know, all
43:51
Speaker 2: of them a list of three tasks that are ranging
43:56
Speaker 2: and challenge from you know, flosh your teeth every day
43:59
Speaker 2: to set a new personal record, and how long you
44:03
Speaker 2: can hold a plank. You know, I'm a feeling that
44:07
Speaker 2: the percentage of people that accomplish those will be related
44:11
Speaker 2: to their testosterone level. More testosterone, the more likely they
44:16
Speaker 2: are to accomplish and be motivated to accomplish. So now
44:21
Speaker 2: we could do another study. Since we're now study designers
44:24
Speaker 2: by virtue of this conversation where we would we would
44:28
Speaker 2: take that placebo group and we would expand it because
44:32
Speaker 2: that was a small study, didn't you say it was
44:33
Speaker 2: like six people or something and ended up with six yep,
44:38
Speaker 2: six six were the winners that got the But you
44:41
Speaker 2: take a larger group and you give them a placebo
44:44
Speaker 2: and you're going to get better data out of that.
44:46
Speaker 2: And you say, yeah, because it's not going to be
44:48
Speaker 2: all of them are going to reach your personal record.
44:50
Speaker 2: And I would say those who reached the higher personal record,
44:53
Speaker 2: I wonder if we could correlate that to their testosterone level. Wow, wow,
45:00
Speaker 2: I have a feelingsterone replacement therapy is so good because
45:05
Speaker 2: it helps people get stuff done and stay healthier. Yeah.
45:09
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also what's interesting over here and I know
45:15
Speaker 1: in the States, like I heard halle Berry talking to
45:19
Speaker 1: this is this is what comes up on my Instagram.
45:22
Speaker 1: By the way halle Berry talking to I'm going to
45:25
Speaker 1: say Drew Barrymore. Yes, yeah, how about they're both taking
45:31
Speaker 1: testosterone and you know, chasing their husband relentlessly around the house,
45:35
Speaker 1: you know, tongue in cheek haha, and how amazing they feel.
45:40
Speaker 1: So it's not just a bloke thing, right, It's not
45:44
Speaker 1: just a bloke thing.
45:45
Speaker 2: I said that because I think we would be easy
45:47
Speaker 2: easier to study in blokes. But yeah, listen, hormone optimization
45:52
Speaker 2: or replacement therapy is a big deal. If we haven't
45:56
Speaker 2: talked about this already, you know, this came out, This
46:00
Speaker 2: came from three or four decades ago. And people notice
46:03
Speaker 2: that as you age, your sex hormone levels declined. So
46:08
Speaker 2: and man it's mostly testosterone and women it's estrogens, progestins
46:12
Speaker 2: or progesterone and testosterone. Well so they said, oh, as
46:17
Speaker 2: you age, these go smaller, we'll just watch them go smaller,
46:20
Speaker 2: go lower. Well, as it turns out that we might
46:23
Speaker 2: have had the cause and effectron and you might age
46:27
Speaker 2: because they go low. So what if we were to
46:30
Speaker 2: replace him? And that started years ago and it was
46:33
Speaker 2: very cutting edge, and you know, people like Suzanne Summers
46:37
Speaker 2: wrote a book about it. And this is the basis
46:40
Speaker 2: of preventative or anti aging hormone replacement treatment. If you
46:45
Speaker 2: look at women, those who start hormone replacement therapy in
46:48
Speaker 2: their premenopause tend to prolong their menopause in a good way,
46:53
Speaker 2: like push it off.
46:54
Speaker 1: And.
46:56
Speaker 2: They tend to, and now we have enough data to
46:58
Speaker 2: say they live longer. We also know that women who
47:01
Speaker 2: have periods longer without replacement live longer because internally they're
47:06
Speaker 2: exposed to more hormones. We know that women who have
47:09
Speaker 2: later pregnancies in life live longer because they have prolonged
47:15
Speaker 2: those feminine cycles. We also know same in men. Testosterones
47:20
Speaker 2: needed for muscle maintenance. We know in men and women
47:23
Speaker 2: hormones are needed to maintain bone density, and both muscle
47:26
Speaker 2: mass and bone ensity are correlated with survival and health span.
47:30
Speaker 2: So the conclusion is hormone replacement therapy isn't probably the
47:37
Speaker 2: best thing you could easily do on a medical side,
47:41
Speaker 2: aside from exercise, to really prolong a healthy life.
47:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's so funny that it's so controversial, Like
47:52
Speaker 1: if I've got low iron, they go, well, let's supplement
47:56
Speaker 1: with ion, or if I'm calcium deficient, let's wax some
47:59
Speaker 1: calcis him in there, let's whatever, you know, let's change
48:02
Speaker 1: your diet. Or if I'm you know, whatever, you're lacking,
48:06
Speaker 1: or they don't go, yeah, we'll craig your old. So
48:09
Speaker 1: just fucking have shit bone density, you know. So that's
48:13
Speaker 1: what happens when you're old. Your bones break. So there's that,
48:16
Speaker 1: but we can't treat it. But when it comes to
48:20
Speaker 1: especially for guys, I think for hormones, it's like, well,
48:24
Speaker 1: of course you've got low testosterone. You're fifty five, so
48:29
Speaker 1: sixty you're sixty five, so but you're in the normal range. Yeah,
48:35
Speaker 1: we're at all gay, Yeah yeah, yeah. And like I
48:38
Speaker 1: was talking to an old guy who's I can't remember
48:41
Speaker 1: how old you are, but I think you're younger than me.
48:43
Speaker 1: But anyway, I was talking to a guy the other day.
48:46
Speaker 1: He's sixty seven and.
48:49
Speaker 2: He is.
48:51
Speaker 1: I felt so sorry for him, Like he's a really
48:53
Speaker 1: good dude. He's sad, he's depressed, but he's not Matt.
49:00
Speaker 2: He's trying, he goes.
49:01
Speaker 1: I just like he full disclosure, zero sex drive, doesn't
49:08
Speaker 1: enjoy anything like to me, everything that he was, but
49:12
Speaker 1: he really wants to be better. Like he's exercising, his
49:15
Speaker 1: diet's good, he's doing. But I just think, and I'm
49:18
Speaker 1: no doctor, right, but I just think his testosterone through
49:22
Speaker 1: the floor, and I I agree with you.
49:25
Speaker 2: I think it's like he's got new spark plugs, he's
49:28
Speaker 2: got new tires, but there's no oil in the in
49:31
Speaker 2: the engines, so he still can't go. So you got
49:35
Speaker 2: you gotta get that. I agree with you. It's probably
49:37
Speaker 2: the first thing I would look at with someone like that.
49:40
Speaker 2: I think most you know, I think also your mood,
49:45
Speaker 2: you cranky curmudgeons, are probably low in testosterone.
49:49
Speaker 1: And that's one of the funny things too, is like
49:53
Speaker 1: with testosterone, they say, oh, guys are on testosterone are angry.
49:56
Speaker 1: I'm like, have you ever met guys with no testosterone?
49:59
Speaker 2: The no, the anger comes with super normal testosterone also,
50:06
Speaker 2: so you'd have to be sick. We're not talking about
50:08
Speaker 2: making someone into the incredible hulk. We're talking about replacing
50:12
Speaker 2: that youthful vigor they had when they were in their
50:15
Speaker 2: twenties and thirties.
50:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not talking about tiking steroids out the back
50:19
Speaker 1: of a penal van or a youth or as you
50:21
Speaker 1: would call it, a truck from a blug in the
50:23
Speaker 1: car pock of the gym. I'm not talking about that.
50:28
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like in Australia you might have to
50:31
Speaker 2: if you want to get it.
50:32
Speaker 1: Oh, that's very prevalent.
50:34
Speaker 2: Don worry about that.
50:35
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that's yeah, it's everybody's got a
50:38
Speaker 1: guy who knows a guy. You know.
50:40
Speaker 2: Listen, if you're Australian, you could take a trip to
50:45
Speaker 2: probably Philippines, Singapore, somewhere not too far and get you know,
50:50
Speaker 2: the palettes toostrou palates. They dissolve over four to six months.
50:53
Speaker 2: You can go twice a year. Just get that done.
50:55
Speaker 1: Really does that? I don't know much about that.
50:58
Speaker 2: Does that?
50:59
Speaker 1: This is a dumb question, but does it work? Is
51:01
Speaker 1: it the same?
51:02
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, they work? The you know the There are
51:05
Speaker 2: multiple ways to get to sasstrone number one topical. It
51:10
Speaker 2: could be a cream or a patch and some people
51:13
Speaker 2: don't absorb it well or get enough that way, but
51:16
Speaker 2: that might be a way when you're younger. If you
51:17
Speaker 2: want a little bit. Two, you can inject it. You
51:20
Speaker 2: can inject it into your muscle. Usually that's every week
51:23
Speaker 2: or every month, depending on how much you're giving. You
51:26
Speaker 2: can also inject it subcutaneous, just a little teeny injection
51:30
Speaker 2: under the skin, and that can be daily. That tends
51:34
Speaker 2: to be a lot. That's now that A lot of
51:35
Speaker 2: peptide stuff we do is like that. And then you
51:40
Speaker 2: can get pellets, which is just under the skin and
51:43
Speaker 2: they dissolve over time. They're pretty good absorption. There's a
51:48
Speaker 2: new oral form that I don't know enough about and
51:50
Speaker 2: can't tell you if it's effective. There are also some
51:55
Speaker 2: medications that block the breakdown, like this and in chlomophine
52:01
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I don't know a ton about it,
52:04
Speaker 2: and I try to stay away from pharmaceuticals. I'd rather
52:08
Speaker 2: we use the bioidentical hormonial body made throughout its entire life.
52:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, makes sense. I wanted to ask you just
52:17
Speaker 1: one thing before we go, which is completely irrelevant to
52:21
Speaker 1: everything else we've spoken about in Australia and I'm sure
52:25
Speaker 1: in America, but there's just a lot of debate at
52:27
Speaker 1: the moment around seed oils and a lot of hysteria.
52:31
Speaker 2: Yep.
52:31
Speaker 1: I don't know if could you give us your thoughts
52:34
Speaker 1: on that, not as the final word, but just your
52:38
Speaker 1: thoughts because I'm interested.
52:41
Speaker 2: There's compelling evidence that the seed oils monkey with our
52:46
Speaker 2: fat metabolism and could be the cause for various cancer's
52:53
Speaker 2: coronary arter disease, which really peaked up after the nineteen
52:57
Speaker 2: forties in America, which is pretty much when people were
53:02
Speaker 2: shifting from beef tallow beef and pork fats, you know,
53:06
Speaker 2: bacon grease to these these vegetable oil replacements which were designed,
53:12
Speaker 2: as you know, an engine lubricant, to be fair. Yes, yes,
53:15
Speaker 2: so we're now we now have enough longtudinal data to
53:19
Speaker 2: look back and say, this looks like it was a problem,
53:23
Speaker 2: and diabetes and obesity and all that appears to be
53:27
Speaker 2: potentially affected adversely by that. So I don't want people
53:34
Speaker 2: to be hysterical, but I think you should avoid seed
53:36
Speaker 2: oils to the extent that you can. So even you know,
53:41
Speaker 2: we're starting to see a move in America. Even some
53:43
Speaker 2: of the fast food restaurants are using beef talow to
53:47
Speaker 2: make their French frise.
53:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I saw that came up on my timeline
53:52
Speaker 1: as well. If it's a franchise we don't have here.
53:55
Speaker 1: I can't remember the nine, but yeah, they've gone back
53:57
Speaker 1: to to you using bave tella, which is and I
54:02
Speaker 1: think what's his name, RFKI is a big proponent of
54:05
Speaker 1: getting rid of all of that, isn't he?
54:07
Speaker 2: Yeah? The sea or I don't think. I think Robert F.
54:11
Speaker 2: Kennedy is junior is interested in giving people choices, but
54:16
Speaker 2: letting them know transparently what's good and what's bad. And
54:21
Speaker 2: you know the problem here, of course is cost in
54:25
Speaker 2: shelf life. Right, most of the foods in America are
54:27
Speaker 2: highly preserved, lots of chemicals. Why so they can sit
54:30
Speaker 2: on the shelf until they're sold, you know, in these
54:33
Speaker 2: big supermarket chains and then you know, otherwise, most fresh fruit,
54:39
Speaker 2: fresh food doesn't last that long, has expiration dates, so
54:41
Speaker 2: companies lose money if they don't sell it.
54:44
Speaker 1: Ye.
54:44
Speaker 2: So you know, there was a time when we had
54:48
Speaker 2: trouble feeding our country and and and these things were developed,
54:52
Speaker 2: but now that's not an issue generally speaking. Yeah.
54:58
Speaker 1: Well, as always, Doc, love chatting with you. I feel
55:02
Speaker 1: like I meandered a little bit, so I apologize. I
55:04
Speaker 1: don't think that was my best I love it as always,
55:07
Speaker 1: you were fucking fabulous.
55:10
Speaker 2: Well by the same, Well bye a fair but.
55:15
Speaker 1: For the moment, Doc, thanks for your time and thanks
55:17
Speaker 1: for being part of the You project. We really appreciate
55:20
Speaker 1: you always.
55:21
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. Look forward to talking.
55:24
Speaker 2: Hopefully some of your audience will write in some topics
55:26
Speaker 2: and questions that we can we can also cover that
55:31
Speaker 2: might be of interest.
55:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good idea. So what I'll do is
55:34
Speaker 1: good idea. See, that's why we've got you. You should
55:37
Speaker 1: be the producer of the show. So everyone on that
55:41
Speaker 1: go to you Project Facebook page, the New Project Facebook page,
55:46
Speaker 1: and yeah, any questions that you've got for the doc
55:49
Speaker 1: to unpack and explore. I'll also do a promo another
55:52
Speaker 1: promo saying what I'm saying right now a week or
55:56
Speaker 1: a few days out from our next recording. But anything
56:00
Speaker 1: that you'd like the doc to explore. New Project podcast
56:04
Speaker 1: facebook page is about. I think we've got a little
56:08
Speaker 1: community of about four thousand people on there, but go
56:11
Speaker 1: and be part of that gang. And yeah, that'd be great.
56:15
Speaker 1: All right mate, we'll say goodbye a fair but again,
56:17
Speaker 1: thank you.
56:18
Speaker 2: Great to see you.