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  Speaker 1: In this episode of Disguise Coverage, we continue our off
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  Speaker 1: season discussion because the Bills are not currently in the
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  Speaker 1: playoffs as super Bowl Week is upon us. The Eagles
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  Speaker 1: and the Chiefs play at the end of this week,
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  Speaker 1: but from a Bills perspective, we're very much into the
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  Speaker 1: off season mode. Last week on this show, we gave
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  Speaker 1: and had a high level discussion on where the Buffalo
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  Speaker 1: Bills go from here in terms of not being able
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  Speaker 1: to get past Kansas City another year with a playoff loss.
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  Speaker 1: What do they need to do from a roster standpoint,
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  Speaker 1: a schematic standpoint, is there something philosophically or ideologically, is
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  Speaker 1: it's a where's the disconnect? How big is the disconnect?
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  Speaker 1: The gap between them and the chief so on and
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  Speaker 1: so forth. Had a very high level discussion that we
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  Speaker 1: will be using as kind of the jump off point
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  Speaker 1: or the table setter for the entirety of this offseason,
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  Speaker 1: but even more so for this episode where we get
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  Speaker 1: into some of the specifics in terms of the offseason,
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  Speaker 1: wishless for the Buffalo Bills again, all within that idea
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  Speaker 1: of trying to see what they can do to finally
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  Speaker 1: get over the hump, whether that hump is the Kansas
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  Speaker 1: City Chiefs or just getting out of the AFC, getting
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and then finally winning a super Bowl championship.
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  Speaker 1: And I've said we a lot in this intro. That's
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  Speaker 1: because I am not alone in this episode. Much like
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  Speaker 1: last week, I am once again joined by mister Kendall.
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  Speaker 1: Mrsky Kendall, You're awesome. I appreciate you here. Thanks for
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  Speaker 1: coming back for the second wee get a round.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, man, it's always fun to talk bills.
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  Speaker 4: It's always fun to talk bills with you, so I'm
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  Speaker 4: always happy.
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  Speaker 1: To come back. Don't lie, don't come no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not no no no no.
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  Speaker 4: This isn't pandering.
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  Speaker 1: You've always did the high thing.
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  Speaker 2: You're like.
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  Speaker 4: One the hand on the face. However it is you're lying.
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  Speaker 1: More right, all like just whatever ticks or tells no, no.
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  Speaker 2: No no.
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  Speaker 4: Seriously, it's always great to talk bills with you. And
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the off season is kind of our bread
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  Speaker 4: and butter obviously, as I said last week, and I
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  Speaker 4: feel like, as we've said for a bunch of off seasons,
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  Speaker 4: it sucks to have these conversations in the off season,
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  Speaker 4: but at least they're relevant conversations. At least it's not
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  Speaker 4: like drought day conversations where it's like, man, we got
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  Speaker 4: to hit every draft pick and like five free agents
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  Speaker 4: if this team's even gonna get over five hundred or
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  Speaker 4: make the playoffs and stuff like that. So it sucks
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  Speaker 4: that it's like relevant in a different light, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: glad to be back, Glad to be talking off season
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  Speaker 4: Bill's football.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I love having you on the show. Every time you're available.
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  Speaker 1: It's awesome to you know, whether it's off season stuff,
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  Speaker 1: draft stuff, Bill stuff, scouting stuff, you're awesome. So these
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  Speaker 1: episodes are always a real treat for me. And I
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  Speaker 1: was pumped to be able to get you on again.
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  Speaker 1: And the one downside, we talked about it a little
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  Speaker 1: last week. I was thinking about it yesterday and through
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  Speaker 1: the day to day as I was kind of prepping
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  Speaker 1: and put my points together, and I feel like, so like,
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  Speaker 1: because whether on purpose or not, we tend to do
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of these off season episodes together in
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  Speaker 1: terms of like, oh, what should they look for? What
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  Speaker 1: should they do like scouting and free agency, all these
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  Speaker 1: types of things. And I realized so many of the
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  Speaker 1: things that we talked about last week and probably we'll
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  Speaker 1: mention this week. We've really been like banging the drum
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  Speaker 1: for like the past couple off seasons, and it's not
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  Speaker 1: like we expect them to happen, but it's it's somewhat
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  Speaker 1: frustrating to be like, you know, what it would be
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  Speaker 1: like this year, it would really help them if they
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  Speaker 1: did a And it was like we've been saying that
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  Speaker 1: for like three years, and every year they still need
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  Speaker 1: it and they don't do it. And I think that's
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  Speaker 1: like a funny juxtaposition to kind of put that into
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  Speaker 1: perspective with the conversations that we have and how that
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  Speaker 1: works in But I was thinking of that today too.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, like I was going through and put
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  Speaker 1: my notes. I was like, oh, we've said some of
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  Speaker 1: these like the past couple of years, and one of
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  Speaker 1: the things we also said the past couple of years,
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  Speaker 1: we oh, two years ago, I know for sure, we
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  Speaker 1: started really kind of putting into perspective of once the
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  Speaker 1: Josh Allen money was starting to hit and that was
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  Speaker 1: going to affect the salary cap. And everyone knows like
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  Speaker 1: when you pay the franchise quarterback, how that impacts your team,
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  Speaker 1: Like the Packer had to do it with Rogers other team.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not I was gonna say, like pet Pats had
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  Speaker 1: to do with Brady, but he had some secret like
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  Speaker 1: money that was moved around, weren't able to like they
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  Speaker 1: were able to kind of nagle it and do different things.
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  Speaker 1: But you pay the franchise qb, that means you have
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  Speaker 1: less money for other pieces other things. We've talked about
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  Speaker 1: each of the past couple off seasons of how important
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  Speaker 1: those offseasons were towards getting this team set up for
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  Speaker 1: success once the Josh Allen money started to kick in
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  Speaker 1: this offseason twenty twenty five, where this team was final four,
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  Speaker 1: team went to the AFC Championship in a revamped type season.
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  Speaker 1: How important is this offseason towards the future of this
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  Speaker 1: team given the current roster makeup, guys that potentially need
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  Speaker 1: to be resigned or extended with where this team is at,
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  Speaker 1: what the money looks like, how important is this offseason
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  Speaker 1: to you for kind of the future of this Bills team.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's still incredibly important, but I think based
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  Speaker 4: on all the legwork that they did last off season,
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  Speaker 4: and I mean the way things looked going into last
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  Speaker 4: off season, it just felt so much more like a
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  Speaker 4: work in progress. It felt like there were a lot
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  Speaker 4: more questions and not a whole lot of answers, and
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  Speaker 4: it just felt like there were a lot of things
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  Speaker 4: that needed to be done. And then once the dominoes
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  Speaker 4: started to fall, you're like, oh, this off season is
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  Speaker 4: really important because you went into it and you were like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: there's a lot of questions, but you know, they seem
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  Speaker 4: we've seen what being in McDermott does, so we can
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  Speaker 4: kind of get a pulse for Oh, they're probably just
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  Speaker 4: going to go in this direction, trim the fat here,
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  Speaker 4: at a role player there, stuff like that stuff were
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  Speaker 4: used to and then you know, dominoes just kept falling.
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  Speaker 4: You're like, this off season is incredibly important now because
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  Speaker 4: of everything that happened last year, the revamp, the reset,
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  Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it, and what they did
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  Speaker 4: this year. I think the reason this off season is
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  Speaker 4: so important is because now you've established an expectation and
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  Speaker 4: you kind of need to chase that expectation still and
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  Speaker 4: live up to it. And I think they've they've kind
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  Speaker 4: of made this bed, and now this team has to
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  Speaker 4: keep lying in that bed and they have to be
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  Speaker 4: worthy of it. And because of how well they perform
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  Speaker 4: this year, they have a worse draft pick. And honestly,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure there are a lot of people going into
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  Speaker 4: this season, Yeah, the Bills will still make the playoffs
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  Speaker 4: one way or another, whether that's winning the AFC East,
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  Speaker 4: whether that's getting a wildcard splot, whatever, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 4: I think people were still confident of that, but the
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  Speaker 4: floor was perceived to be a little lower. And I think,
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  Speaker 4: you know, finishing in the final four, you get that
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  Speaker 4: worst draft pick. You don't have the flexibility so much
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  Speaker 4: to kind of move back and still have value in
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  Speaker 4: that pick. So I think little things change, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: we're just still more down the road in terms of
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  Speaker 4: the evolution of this franchise. So it's still important. You
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  Speaker 4: still really got to hit your draft picks because that
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  Speaker 4: money has come in, you still really got to hit
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  Speaker 4: on your bargain free agent players, like all of the
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  Speaker 4: marginalized spending has to really hit and that has always
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  Speaker 4: been a strength of Brandon Bean. But we'll get into
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  Speaker 4: it with with one of my points on on the
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  Speaker 4: wish list, but marginalized in all all of the bargain spending,
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  Speaker 4: whether it be the draft or free agency, that that
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  Speaker 4: has been Brandon Bean and to be fair, Sean McDermott's
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  Speaker 4: bread and butter with how he develops those type of
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  Speaker 4: players and gets them to fit into the culture in
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  Speaker 4: this scheme. So yes, it's really important to hit on
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  Speaker 4: all of it because of the money and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 4: but this this group has shown that they can keep
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  Speaker 4: a consistent floor.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's well said it for me, I echo
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  Speaker 1: a lot of those sentiments for me. I think this
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  Speaker 1: one is really important in in the the the areas
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  Speaker 1: that you said, and also a couple like specific ones
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  Speaker 1: for me, like the especially with you know last year
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  Speaker 1: coming into this year's you know, you know, no more Poyer,
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  Speaker 1: no more high digs goes, and you're starting to have
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  Speaker 1: kind of this new core develop a little bit in
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  Speaker 1: terms of the on the field leadership, the off the
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  Speaker 1: field leadership, who are the voices who are the leaders
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  Speaker 1: for this team and kind of impairing that with the
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  Speaker 1: rise of several young players. I'm interested to see this
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  Speaker 1: offseason and next what do we see for contract extensions
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  Speaker 1: for some of the guys who could be part of
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  Speaker 1: that new core? Like what do we see for Greg
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  Speaker 1: Russeau or Terrell Bernard or Khalil Shakir or James Cook
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  Speaker 1: or Christian Benford who I did not name? Is one?
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  Speaker 1: Like though? Like who who gets paid? How much do
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  Speaker 1: they think that somebody is ready to kind of take
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  Speaker 1: that next step into an upper echelon type of guy?
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  Speaker 1: Is this is the is the deal that we see
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  Speaker 1: reflective of the value that person currently has or what
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  Speaker 1: they could be for the future. Aka? Is it more
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  Speaker 1: of like a Spencer Brown deal where as time goes
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  Speaker 1: on it's more like, Ooh, this might be a really
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  Speaker 1: good deal. Or is it more of the Dawson Knox
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  Speaker 1: deal where it's like, oh, this does not look good
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  Speaker 1: the more football we see. And so I'm really interested
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  Speaker 1: to see kind of what money they commit this offseason,
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  Speaker 1: both in house and external, and then obviously how that
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  Speaker 1: ties into the draft and like what they bring in
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  Speaker 1: and then how all that ties into you know, you
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  Speaker 1: like what you said, and the biggest takeaway from what
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  Speaker 1: you said for me is this it feels like they
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  Speaker 1: are destined to do this kind of dance every year
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  Speaker 1: of Okay, who can we get on these one or
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  Speaker 1: two year deals and like hit a home run? Can
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  Speaker 1: we get somebody for like two years ten million and
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  Speaker 1: they surpass that value? Or you know, David Edwards signed
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  Speaker 1: like a two year, six million dollar deal last year,
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  Speaker 1: great value for what he offered, Like he had good,
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  Speaker 1: good guard play, really solid left guard, pretty good average
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  Speaker 1: annual value, pretty cheap and you got that, And so
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  Speaker 1: how many of those can they hit? And it just
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  Speaker 1: seems like they're kind of not, in a negative way,
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  Speaker 1: destined to kind of do this dance. They're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a team that's making multiple splashes left and right
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  Speaker 1: every off season. Maybe one here or there, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so much of it kind of I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: say this phrase, but I think it applies. It just
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  Speaker 1: has a negative connotation. I feel like like they kind
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  Speaker 1: of have to nickel and dime their way, no pun
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  Speaker 1: intended from a monetary standpoint, And when you do that
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  Speaker 1: usually it's more volume signings because you're trying to do
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  Speaker 1: what you can and given the resources of the capital
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  Speaker 1: you have, whether in the draft or free agency, and
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  Speaker 1: then all that tying into Yeah, how many coins do
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  Speaker 1: you keep at home for the guys that it looks
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  Speaker 1: like you need to extend in house.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's such an interesting dichotomy of like how the
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  Speaker 4: team is built because the way you brought it up
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  Speaker 4: and how you're nickel and diming. It's because of Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's a good that's a good example there, but it's
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  Speaker 4: it's because of how the team is built. Like, you're
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  Speaker 4: not nickel and diming out of uh, your want, You're
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  Speaker 4: doing it out of necessity, and how the team was
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  Speaker 4: built is forcing you to do that, because this isn't
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  Speaker 4: a team that does that has you know, plenty and
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  Speaker 4: plenty of superstar power. You know, if you have a
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  Speaker 4: team that's being led by three or four just absolute superstars,
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  Speaker 4: that kind of means the rest of the team is
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  Speaker 4: probably pretty in flux because most of your money is
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  Speaker 4: locked up into four guys. You know, this Bills team,
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  Speaker 4: for the most part, the money is locked up between
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  Speaker 4: Josh and Dion and then dead money right now. So
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  Speaker 4: like that's why the.
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  Speaker 1: Bill got Dawkins Nate first, Nate, I always call him Dawkins.
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  Speaker 1: I forgot it was Dion. I was like, you were
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  Speaker 1: like Josh and dian I was like Santa, Who's Dion
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  Speaker 1: was like Sanders, I'm so locked into like draft board already,
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  Speaker 1: inst and Deon sorry continue.
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  Speaker 4: No, but so pretty much like because of how the
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  Speaker 4: Bills are built, you don't you don't really have the
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  Speaker 4: ability to go and spend all of this money because
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  Speaker 4: the Bills have kind of spread their wealth across the
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  Speaker 4: roster where yes, you have Josh, you have Dion Dawkins,
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  Speaker 4: but other than that, it's a lot of above average players,
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  Speaker 4: you know, just b pluses across the board, and you
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  Speaker 4: got to pay those people once their rookie contracts are
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  Speaker 4: And if you have a like if you have B
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  Speaker 4: plus players and you're keeping them on to sign and develop, draft, sign, develop,
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  Speaker 4: that money gets spread out like really wide across the
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  Speaker 4: team and then there's you know, less money to spend
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  Speaker 4: on free agency. And as you see it in the draft,
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  Speaker 4: it's a really good model model for sustainable success. But
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  Speaker 4: I think as we're going to get into today, you know,
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  Speaker 4: some people could say, maybe don't spread it out so much,
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  Speaker 4: Maybe try to isolate it into specific areas of the
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  Speaker 4: roster and use your coaches and your development staff for
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  Speaker 4: you know what they're paid to do and develop the
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  Speaker 4: margins of the roster. But it is interesting because it
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  Speaker 4: does come down to the point you're making of where
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  Speaker 4: do the bills see value on their extension candidates, because
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  Speaker 4: that's really the bottom line of how they can attack
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  Speaker 4: future offseasons. Because I think the importance, like you said,
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  Speaker 4: is on those specific extension candidates because once the dead
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  Speaker 4: money is off off the books, these are the contracts
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  Speaker 4: that are going to tie things up in the future
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  Speaker 4: and it's going to force your hand and dictate you
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  Speaker 4: in a positive or negative direction. So it is very foundational.
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  Speaker 4: For lack of a better term, oh.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think that is that's a very good term
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  Speaker 1: for it.
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  Speaker 4: Well done.
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  Speaker 1: I uh, I really wanted to shout out the chat
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  Speaker 1: for Charles put Mike Garrett either like a tired and wired,
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  Speaker 1: but he put Mike Garrett, and then several people in
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  Speaker 1: the chat ran with like Mike Garrett instead.
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  Speaker 4: Of like, yeah, trade for him, Yeah, Like Mike Garrett
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  Speaker 4: was like.
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  Speaker 1: Trading for Mike Garrett is billsy Like That's like I
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  Speaker 1: just thought that was fine. Everybody ran with that joke.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get these two quick questions from Bison
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  Speaker 1: saying aunt your opinion on the Luca Donsons trade. I
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  Speaker 1: am still floored at the mass trade. I need like
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  Speaker 1: an ESPN thirty for thirty asap on the Luca Donts trade,
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  Speaker 1: Like why they traded him.
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  Speaker 4: The beer can that was taken out of his hand,
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  Speaker 4: just that moment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, from Michael Finley a couple of years ago, Like
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  Speaker 1: I just need the oh yeah, no last last playoffs. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't get you have. Luca annoys the hell
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  Speaker 1: out of me. He complains so much, and he flops
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  Speaker 1: a ton, and he's such a whiner. He's a really
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  Speaker 1: good player, but he annoys the absolute hell out of me.
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  Speaker 1: But he's like an easy top five player in the
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  Speaker 1: league in his prime and you just went to the finals.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm shocked at that trade. I am
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  Speaker 1: a bit shocked this other one also. He said, also
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  Speaker 1: your opinion on John Cena not winning the Rumble. I
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  Speaker 1: am not a John Cena fan, so I got no
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  Speaker 1: problem winning with John Cena and not winning the Rumble.
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  Speaker 1: I think jay Uso leaves a lot to be desired
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  Speaker 1: in the ring, but I'm all vibes with jay Uso
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  Speaker 1: and just the entrance and the yeat and everything like,
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  Speaker 1: I'll ride those vibes, and I think he could have
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: a sweet wrestle media moment. I appreciate the wrestling talk
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: here in the chat. In good comment here for him
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: from Charles sayin the brown extension looks better and better. Yep,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of your comments in the chat. The chat
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: is crushing it all right. Let's start to pivot now
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: to our Buffalo Bill's twenty twenty five offseason wish list,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: as we are one to do here in the show.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: For those of you watching live at home playing with
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: us here a bunch of you have been doing it already,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: give us your wishless pieces into the chat. I will
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: bring them up throughout the episode. We may discuss some
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: of them. I may just bring them up to give
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: them some shine up there. If there's something you really
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: want talked about or focused on, put it up with
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: a super chat. I will bring that up and stop
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: the show immediately. One because I respect the monetary donation.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Two because the color attracts my eyes and pulls me
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: away from a notes and anything else, kind of like
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: a cat with a laser pointer. That's essentially what I am.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Give us your thoughts, your wishless pieces into the chat.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Feel free to tear hours apart or pat us on
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: the back and tell them they are fantastic. Cam Moorey says,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: wishless are fun. Realistic wishless art is fun. That is true.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Ours are based in realism, so they are. It's a
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: wish list, but not an unrealistic, not achievable wishless wish
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm gonna have a lot of trouble saying
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: wishless tonight with us. Screwed it up. I already did it.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: It's where and I know I'm gonna say it's so
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: many more times, man ah. But pivot. Yeah, they will
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: be realistic. I think we'll see. Kendall, you're the guests.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Feel free to start with whichever, whoever, whatever you got
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: for your for some of your off season wish lists.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: So my first one is pretty broad and honestly at
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: branches off of kind of where we were leading in
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: with this whole thing on spending and spending on the
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: margins and team construction and all sorts of stuff We've
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: been talking for off seasons and even you know, the
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: two hours that we were on last week all about
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: just how this roster is built and how there aren't
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: enough different difference makers. And then literally the day after
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: I believe we recorded, Sean McDermott had his postseason press
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: conference and in that press conference he talks about how
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl teams typically have in his exp vperience, about
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: three to four I think was the number. He said,
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: three to four difference makers on each side of the ball,
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: and if you don't, you're typically at a pretty severe
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: disadvantage to make it to the super Bowl and be
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: a Super Bowl team. And when you look at the
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Bills roster, you look at it and you're like, okay,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: so each side of the ball offense, of course, Josh Allen,
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Dion Dawkins and James Cook is probably a third on offense, right.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Like frigging year and McDermot talk about him too, what
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: a friggin year James Cook had been way off two man, and.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Like that's the thing. It's it's kind of crazy when
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: you do inventory of the Bill's offense and you're like, wow, okay, yeah,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: I guess the third superstar on this offense is James Cook.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: It's really crazy how far we've come. But that that
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: is the truth. At this point, there probably isn't a fourth,
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Like I can't think of one. Sure you can talk
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: about Spencer Brown and how he's developed and stuff like that,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: but superstars, I think that's that's the list, but then
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: you go to the defensive side and it's it's just
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: really hard. I know, people really like Christian Benford. I'm
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: there on Christian Benford too, Like superstars, it's rich. I mean,
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: I don't want to like set that in stone. Tarren
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Johnson great player, I consider him a superstar, but his
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: impact is felt in a lot of ways, but it's
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: almost like spread out so much in a weird way.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say that one like not to get
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: you off no, keep off track, but I think like
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: if you're an All pro at your position, you're a superstar.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Like I'm fine with that, but it's interesting that like
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: being an All pro slot and Nickel, I think that
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: position is so wildly important, but I also don't know
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: if that superstar, if a superstar, that position is felt
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: with the same level of impact.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like a difference maker, Like maybe for me a
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: difference maker at at Nickel, it is like the bar
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: is so high, like you have to be doing like
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: some special stuff.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Like McDuffie does, or what Kenny Moore was doing for
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: a while, or like yeah, like these you have to
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: like I feel like you have to turn the ball over.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to be doing so many things, and
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: like Toron's locking it down. I don't I don't want
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: to very good. Yeah, Like I don't want to sit
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: here and say he's not a superstar, but like it's
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: on the fringe, you know, like it just is. And
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: then you try and look for even a third player
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: on the fringe, and it's like Matt Mulano post injury.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know at Oliver took a step back this year,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: like Greg Russo took a step forward, but like was
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: it a step enough? Like it's just the defense is
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: devoid of these game changers. And that's kind of the
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: whole point of everything I was saying with the offseason
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: spending and the roster construction, because it's built for sustainable success,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: but you kind of need to take these shots on
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: these these players, whether you want to consider it the
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Ky or Elam type of players where it's like, yeah,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: the potential could be through the roof or it could
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: just completely bust out on you. Yeah, like hey, maybe
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: that's what it takes. I don't know, but honestly, the
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: first point of mind is hit on first round draft picks,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: because we need to start seeing those first round draft
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: picks turn into these great to excellent players. Because if
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: you look at if you look at the Bills drafting
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: history since drafting Josh Allen in the first round, it's
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: since twenty nineteen at Oliver, Greg Russo, Kayer Elam, Dalton Kinkaid,
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: like all of those players outside of Elam are good
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: to great, right they fall somewhere in the category of
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: good to great players, somewhere in that spectrum, but we're
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: just not seeing it surpass the great and potentially also
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: be in the spectrum of great to excellent. And we
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: need to start seeing that this year. Whether that's I'm
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: saying hit in the draft, I'm someone who wants to
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: get more of these guys in on these rookie contracts
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: for four years and just keep taking the stab at it.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: But we even talked about it, it might have been offline,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: how this might start to be a season where they're
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: head of schedule and they need to take stabs with
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: draft picks for proving commodities for these difference makers. But
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: one way or another, they just got to get more
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: difference makers. They can't be spreading the talent out so
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: much around this roster. We've seen them get more out
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: of less from so many players over the whatever year
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: span since mcdermot's been year since twenty seventeen, Like they
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: get more out of less with a lot of these
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: players on the margin. So take your swings, take your swings.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Try to get difference makers where it makes sense, whether
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: that be in the first round, free agency, draft, whatever
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: it is. That's my first broad wish list item. It's
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: super funny, so I'm in the exact same boat. I
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: titled it, give me more triples and or a double
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: amongst the Day one and Day two picks. So I
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: think they've had this ties to it right, Like you're
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Day one.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: And two picks. So for those who don't know, that's
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: rounds one, two, and three. Those are in theory your
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: best chances to hit on difference making players. Now you
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: can hit on a Christian Benford late, you can hit
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: on Taron Johnson in the fourth round. You can't hit
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: on Khalis Shakir in the fifth right, But in theory
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: and from not even theory and probably actuality. It's harder
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to hit on day three guys to that level. Like
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a day three hit is usually like, oh, this dude
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: has become a starter, not Dame Jackson. Yeah, there you go.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Like then it varies the further you get into day three.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: It's harder to have those guys be a hit and
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: have them also be a difference maker or a superstar
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: kind of put into it. But and you rattled off
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: a bunch of the names. I'm not gonna go into
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: them too much, but you you know, in the day
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: one and two guys, you've got guys like James Cook
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and Spencer Brown and Terrell Bernard and Greg Russo and
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Ed Oliver and Josh Allen, but also Bookie Basham, Kyrielum,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Cody Ford, Devin Singletary, Zach Moss, like just very various
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: levels of hits and misses, muddy picks some wait and see, right,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: we still want to see what Kean Coleman looks like.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: What does Dalton kin Cave look like? What does cole
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Bishop look like? You know, Dwane Carter, like the guys
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: from last year and even the year before, but even
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of their hits have been more
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: singles and some doubles. Give me more of a triple.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: And if you can get a home run, that's awesome,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: but we need to be swinging for that more. Yes,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: like give me that and the example I always gave.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I did this a couple I don't remember when I
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: did it. I think I did it two off seasons
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: ago or the last offseason where I looked at the
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Bills draft history under Bean and where they've hit like
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: first round pick, second round picks, third, all the way
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: to the end. And the comparison that I used of
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: trying to hit more on your Day one and two guys. Oh,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: it was two seasons ago. I did it. At the time,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I was using the Bengals as the model and just
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: kind of running through from the Bengals during that same timeframe,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: like guys who were day one and Day two picks,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: like Jesse Bates was a round two, Sam Hubbard was
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: a round three, Jermaine Pratt was a round three. Logan
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Wilson was a three. T Higgins was a two. Cam
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Taylor Britt was a two like the guys that the
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Bengals hit on. Just as an example, I was just
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: comparing them like those hits were like significant hits, Like
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: those guys made of significant difference, good players, but kind
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: of made a significant difference tied to that, And that's
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: where it starts for me. I think. I know people
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: have like a different, vary varying levels of approval when
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: it comes to Brandon Bean's draft history or roster moves
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: in terms of free agency and dis some subtractions, all
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But for me, it's it's not
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: just getting a hit, it's having more of an extra
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: increase your slugging percentage. Like doubles are still cool. We
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: can hit doubles. I'll take it. I think some of
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: it too in the first round is also not to
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: give the Bills a pass, but they're usually picking at
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: the end of the first round, so it is tough. Yeah,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: And you are, as we know as in the draft community,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of times you're picking at the end of
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: the first round. It's a first round pick. You're not
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: necessarily picking someone that has a first round grade, like
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of second round graded guys are creeping into
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the end of the first round. So I do think
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: it's a little hard having a first round pick at
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: pick twenty seven is not the same as having like
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: a top fifteen pick or a top ten or top twelve.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Then it also varies by draft in class and so
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: on and so forth. So I think that factors in
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: a lot as well. Because the Bills have been a
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: good team, they're usually picking at the back end of
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the first but I would like to see overall, on
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: day one and two, doubles are cool, give me a
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: couple of triples or at least one, and especially with
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: that first round pick, like, give me someone who has
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: the opportunity, like you said, to be that difference maker
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: or be I kind of put it into like the
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: pendulum swinging moves. Give me somebody that not just moves
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: the needle. Give me a pendulum swinger kind of on
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: day one, on or on day two or three. Again, obviously,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: as you go further, it impacts a little bit and
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: changes a little bit. And I think obviously it will
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: go a long way for the Bills, as it would
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: go for most guys, but their teams, but especially when
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: you start talking about like cost control and the roster
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and the money, like if you're getting these difference makers,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and it's and it's a parent that like towards the
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: end of year one, you're like, this guy can be something.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Then you're getting that in year two, three, four, if
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: it's a first round guy, year five with that option,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: now you're not only getting a difference maker and a
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: pendulum swinger, you're also getting them at what is effectively
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: going to be like a cost control type of value,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: which significantly increases that and it's kind of like a
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: force multiplier from an overall roster standpoint.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no one, I mean it's to me, it's really
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: as simple as I mean, you gotta be taking these swings.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: But back to just the roster construction, Like the core
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: of this Bills team is so wide, Like when you
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: think of like the players that matter to the Bills,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: the the core is like ten to fifteen players, like
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: some other teams are just built in a way, Like
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: I guess you could think about the Bengals, it's like
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: eight to ten where you're like, it's a tighter group.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: But that group it's so densely populated with superstars.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, but the Bills need so I like this,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I literally like this comment from Charles said, like we
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: need bucket getters, Like that's so they need you need
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: more dues so you can clear it out and play
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: io ball, and you know they can get you a bucket,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: which is what von Miller was supposed to be and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: was exactly before he got hurt. And but then he
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: goes away and it's like, now, who's getting you a bucket?
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: But that's why I respect like the move at all,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: because it makes sense to the timeline of the team,
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: where it's like, Okay, this is a chance to go
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: and do this thing to make the core of our
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: team stronger, because right now the core of the Bills
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: team is it's good, it's foundational, like you're gonna have
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: a high, consistent floor, all of the stuff that people
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: hate to hear about the Bills, right, but like it
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: just we need to forget about the floor for a second.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: Like just just forget about the floor for a second
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: and go for the ceiling. But yeah, everything, I I
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: agree with everything you said. And it's really broad to
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: even bring up, like oh, yeah, just hit on first
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: round picks and really wishful thinking and all that stuff,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: but hey, this is a wish list.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah that is true. And again they have hit on
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: first round, like Greg Russou was a hit ed Oliver
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: is hit another like, yeah, they've hit on day two, guys,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I would just like to hit to.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Be more substantial with me.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's all it is, give me a little.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: We're hitting for average right now, which is still good
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: because you're still getting on base, like you're still getting hits.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: It's so funny, like how nitpicky this whole wishless thing is,
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: because like this is the whole point with the Bills
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: at eyes that are hitting.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, and but we talked about it last week, right,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: like this is a good football team, another Final four appearance,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: like they're winning the division every year, but like you're
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: still not getting over that, which is also kind of
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: unfair because you had a great comment week of like
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Sean mcdermody is a really good coach. The problem is
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: he keeps going up against a Hall of Fame coach
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: and it's like the Bills are a really good team.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: They they just can't get past this one really good team.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: But also no one else can get past this one
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: really good team in the whole league, like the Chiefs.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: Just so it's like how much do you really d
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: think about it that like if you if you really
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: boil this down and you look at the rosters, Like
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: if you look at the Chiefs roster right now, they
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: have three Hall of Famers on their team.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: How manny do the Bills have.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: One one like that?
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: I don't want to boil this down to be really simplistic,
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: but like two Sash.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Allen and Reggie Gilliam. I'm just kidding, Yeah, Wade, oh Man,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: gall Your's are so much better, great pull.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: But you know what I mean, Like I really don't
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: want to be reductive and make quite simple, but like
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: just to make the point of like roster strength and
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: how rosters are built and everyone does it different. And
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: I'm not even here to say that the Chiefs roster
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: is carried by only those three guys because they've built
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: a great roster around those three guys. They've they've made
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: calculated decisions like getting rid of Tyreek Hill and actually
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: siphoning off part of the superstar power of that core
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: to spread the wealth amongst the roster. Like there are
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: calculated decisions, and I think this is a decision where
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: the Bills kind of need to do the opposite where
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: they they did this similar thing that the Chiefs did
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: where they you know, they off Stefan Diggs, so they
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: can spread the wealth amongst the roster, but we're still
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: feeling the dead cap issues and it's a it's a
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: whole thing.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: You said something I thought was really spot on, Like
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I think the Bill's roster and their philosophy, and there's
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: a really good comment that I'm gonna bring up in
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: a minute, but I feel like the Bill's roster philosophy
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: and roster a lot of it has really just been
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: like high floor, Like they have a lot of high
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: floor guys, which is why when guys get hurt, there's
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: not this significant drop off.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: No.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Now, you could play Devil's advocate and be like, well,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: there's not a significant drop off because the initial starter
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: wasn't that great to begin with it, so there's not
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: that much of an opportunity for a drop off. But
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I think you look at like again, and we'll just
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: use the Chiefs example. Like the Chiefs have three Hall
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: of Fame players and all and two Hall of Fame
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: coaches who run each side of the ball. Then they
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: also have like three all Pro interior offensive linemen.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, which is like, who's to say, Creed Humphrey
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: isn't gonna be a Hall of Famer.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Dude, or yeah, or like Tooney or I mean, Trey
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Smith's gonna get paid and maybe it's not by Kansas
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: City to go somewhere else, Like it's ridiculous that Joe
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Tooney is an All Pro guard and they were like, man,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: left tackle's not working out, just go play left tackle.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: He was like, okay, and it's been doing it good.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: So there's And Trent McDuffie is an All Pro Trent
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: mcduffee is sick. You should have have I'm going to
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: never get over that, but I digress. Like that's part
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: of it too. My biggest thing with the Bills roster
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: the past several years is however you want to label it, like,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: but I was labeled at like a tier dudes or
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: like blue chip guys, and for the past several years
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, Allen and Diggs like guys who
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: were in like the top five of their position, or
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: however you wanted to quantify. That's how kind of how
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I did. Mulano, I think put himself into that conversation
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: all Pro linebacker, huge difference maker, and I was like, Okay,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: they're starting to get three. And then Taron Johnson was
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: in there. I was like, okay, like that's starting to
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: before and then kind of dissipated a little bit and
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: waned a little bit, and it's it's just as I
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: think it's. They're a good team, but they don't have
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: these however you want to label it like bucket getters
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: or superstars or pendulum swingers however, difference makers, however you
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: want to like, they're a good team with good players,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: but it's more high floor guys than it is variants
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: creating in a positive way. They don't have as many
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: force multipliers and when you start to like look at
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: it from that perspective.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, they're a team that plays greater than the
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: sum of their parts. Yes, that's the idea in the
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: mantra of the team.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, which you need to do when you have to
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: pay the franchise quarterback and you kind of have to,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you know, operate in that model. But it's at the
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: same time you have to you got to get somebody
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: who can not just move that needleswing that pendulum. Two
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: questions here, they're kind they're kind of similar from Madam
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: but he says, do you think they miss on big
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: time talent because they are a little too culture focused,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: then follows it up with saying, are we missing home
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: runs because they are not culture fits? What do you
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: think about that?
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: I do think this is somewhat a thing. I don't
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: know how much it's a thing and how much players,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: like specifically their personality and stuff like that is the
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: reason we're missing or skipping I should say, But like,
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: let's use mcduffy for example, Like, I know the red
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: flag on him was the short arms, and it's like,
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: how rigid and conservative are the bills in the draft
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: process where they're like, oh, a corner with short arms,
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: let's just take him off our board. And I'm not
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: here to say that they did. I'm just saying, like,
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: maybe it's things like that and the culture stuff. And
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: I know Bean talks about it a lot in his
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: press conference about how like, not only are they looking
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: for good players, but they're looking for good players with
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: the right mindset and the people that fit in with
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: this team and all that stuff, and it's really important
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: and it's been a thing that's contributed to this sustainable success.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: But yeah, like there there's a very real conversation around
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: how many players have they red flag? I don't even
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: want to call it a red flag. Maybe I'll call
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: it like a purple flag for not being a culture fit,
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like it's it's not drastic
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: or anything like take this guy off our board. But
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: you know, if we have the choice between this guy
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: with no flags or this guy with a purple flag,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: we're gonna take the no flag guy. And I wonder
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: how many of those quote unquote purple flags have gone
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: on to do great things with other teams, and we
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: just we won't know. But I think it's a fair
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: conversation to have at this point in the franchise.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a good question. Like I don't
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know the answer because I don't know what
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: those draft room conversations are. Like I but you you
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: said exactly what I was gonna say. Like at the
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: end of the day, if there's someone who they're like, ooh,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: player A can be, it's probably gonna be a better play,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Like if it's close enough, where like player A is
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: probably gonna be a better player than player B. But
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: it's close enough and player B is the culture fit,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: they're gonna go a player B like ten out of
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: ten times, and I feel like, even though we're not
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: in the rooms, I think a lot of Bills fans
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: can kind of make that assumption comfortably. Yes, we see
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: the type of guys that they bring in from free
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: agency to the draft, like they fit a certain they
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: interview in the same kind of way, they see in
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: a similar type of way. They fit certain characteristics. And also,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: and I don't think, you know, necessarily all of that
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: is bad, Like there's a reason why, Like someone like
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders, who's a Super Bowl champions, played with great
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks and players and teams like comes in and is
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: like this team culture is amazing.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Exactly everyone that comes to Buffalo says the same thing.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: And we try it's dudes who it's various guys, guys
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: who've been around the league, guys who are new guys
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: who have had success at a multitude of levels and
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: individually team wise, like they speak to And I think
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: you do need that, you do need a certain culture established.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: But I do think it's fair at a certain point.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Like I always think of like the Ravens when they
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: were really cooking for a bit, they bring in they
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: had several questionable characters at times, but they were the
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: type of team where you know, people wuld always talk
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: about like, well they can afford to bring in someone
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: like that because they have the culture that can kind.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Of I was just gonna go there, like, at what
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: point does this team have the confidence in their foundation
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: of the culture to take a chance on someone and
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: be like, he's not gonna ruin things? Were as an
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: organization going to make him a better human because of
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: how strong our culture is. Like it's a chicken or
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: the egg thing where they're like, oh, is this guy
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: gonna ruin us? Or are we gonna fix him? And
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: I think at a certain point you have to have
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: the confidence in yourself to be like I call it
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: CONFI call it arrogance, whatever you want to call it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: Sometimes you have to take that shot on the guy
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: with the purple flag and just say we're capable of
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: doing it. We brought in plenty of people and they've
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: all said the same glowing remarks about our team.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I think that's a really fun conversation to have or
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: a thing to start to think about because of it.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: To your point, like, at what point do you have
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: the culture strong enough where part of that benefit is
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: being like, you know what, we can take the wild card,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: because our culture is going to smooth out the rough edges.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: And stabilize the whole personality.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: And we're going to get him to assimilate, assimilate, assimilate,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: assimilate to our way of doing things. And then we
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: have the talented guy with you know, the checkered past,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: and we get rid of the checker past, and now
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: we just have the talented guy who knows how to
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: be a professional. Like I think that's that's I feel
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: like the next step in the conversation, or you have one,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: and then it again goes to like, okay, now you
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: can take some bigger chunk swings or bigger this. And
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I wonder when that starts to come through, if it
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: starts to come through, because again, part of you need
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: to keep bringing guys to feed the culture and keep
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: it sustainable. But that also affords you the opportunity to
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: kind of take some swings a little bit, especially if
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: it's that strong and you've got those dudes. But then
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I wonder, now, like is now not the right time
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: because they don't necessarily have like the your leadership or
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: those guys who like who were kind of the police in.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: The locker room man, But is now the time because
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty four was the establishing season four some of
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: these guys to come up as leaders. That's fair, right
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: Like last season it might have been like, oh, we
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: can't do it right now, Like there's a lot of
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: change on this roster. We need to see who steps
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: up and who becomes.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: The leader and how this culture evolves.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: But then based on what's happened this season, how much
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: confidence does the leadership staff, the executives, how much confidence
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: do they have in what they've built.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Chuckles World says, I feel like we draft the good
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: old boy and I want some convicts. That's essentially kind
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: of yeah, Like I like, I can't see where you're coming.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that black and white with
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: no this is, but I get yeah, like they I
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: think they go for more of the nice and tidy
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: with the like the tie tight and they're not like
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: they they look for a.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Certain It just got me thinking about Dwayne Carter and
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: how he showed up the day one on facility.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: So I but that's like the that like Dayne Carter
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: is a good example.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: I didn't think about it until like like all these
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: snaps Captain like this, like they look for certain things,
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: not necessarily or bad, but they go for a certain
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: type of not even just play.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Style schematically like that's where it starts, but then also
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: like an attitude, an approach to the game. And we
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: were sitting here niitpicking it like it's they won what
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: five straight AFC East Championships, They've gone to two AFC
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Championship games, Like the only team they can't get past
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: is Kansas City and the Bengals that one year with
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: that still had variables, but like it's just it's just
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: all these different pieces and all these different things and yeah,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know. And again you know one guy can
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: one guy can you know, muddy the pot or kind
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: of gum it up, and you know one bad apple
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: can spoil the bunch. But for sure, then that's where
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: you start to play like okay, like does that say
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: more about the culture and more about the individual and
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: so on and so forth, which again is why I
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: think it's similar to like the McDermott staying or going conversation,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Like there's so many variables and Devil's Advocate situations where
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: you can play to the pros and the cons and
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: then if something bad happens, then you're playing hindsight. How
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: much of it was of A versus B and the
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: timeline of all of it. I just I just yeah,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I think there's so much unknown. But it is interesting
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: to see like that culture piece, because it does afford
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: you some risk, but they really haven't flexed that risk
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: and that type of that type of opportunity and that
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: type of deal. It's funny that we kind of let
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: off with both those things. All Right, what do you
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: got for your next offseason wishless piece?
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: So the next one is when I talked about a
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: little bit last week, and it's the deep threat at
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: wide receiver. I talked about it a lot, and I'm
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: going to share some similar stats for anyone who didn't
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: hear last week, But pretty much Josh Allen was. We
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: know his talent, and we know he's very talented in
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: terms of throwing the ball deep, but it just it's
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: been a thing they've struggled with, honestly since Joe Brady's
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: come in and started calling plays. And maybe it's correlated,
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: maybe it's not, but I'm just concerned about it from
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: a structural standpoint and a personnel standpoint because with how
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: good the run game is. The natural compliment to that
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: run game is to throw the ball deep and make
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: the team defend you on all levels. Shots yeah, like six.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: If you're making them come up to the line of scrimmage,
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: you also have to have the counter punch to make
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: them back off the line of scrimmage and vice versa.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: So Josh Allen he averaged ten point five yards per
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: deep pass in twenty twenty four. That's twenty six among
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: thirty four qualified quarterbacks and the fewest by Josh Allen
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: in a season since twenty nineteen. On top of that,
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: the Bills had a forty seven point nine rush rate
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four. That's the fifth highest in the
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: NFL this season, and the last season they had a
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: higher rush rate was back in twenty seventeen, which was
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: obviously the last season before they drafted Josh Allen, so
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: highest rush rate in the Josh Allen era. And then
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: on top of all of this, they faced single high
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: coverage on sixty point seven percent of dropbacks, as the
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: second highest in the NFL. The only seasons they had
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: higher single high coverage rate in the Josh Allen era
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: was twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, so Josh Allen's first
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: two seasons when no one felt like they had to
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: defend beyond the line of scrimmage because he was still
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: establishing himself and they were still pretty much a run
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: centric team at that point, run centric with some shot
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: plays every now and again. So against those single high coverages,
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: the Bills had a forty two point seven percent success
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: rate on downfield passes, so these are passes of at
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: least ten air yards. That was the seventh lowest in
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: the NFL. This is against single high downfield passes seventh
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: lowest success rate, and then on those pass attempts, third
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: highest tight window target rate. So that means those targets
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: tight window target, difficult target, it's less than one yard
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: from the nearest defender. So pretty much all of this
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: is to say, is structurally, personnel, whatever it is, there's
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: a lot going in this trend of Okay, defenses. See,
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: you're running the football, you're doing it a lot, statistically,
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: you're doing it a lot with success, They're gonna come
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: close to the line of scrimmage to play more single
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: high and the Bills don't have an ants serve for it.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: They're they're trying. They're doing their best with what they have,
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: but they don't have a natural answer built into the offense,
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: whether that be schematically or personnel wise. But I think
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: if you get the guys in personnel wise, it helps
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: everything schematically, and it, like I said, to start this
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: whole thing off, it's just a natural compliment to the
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: run game to have someone that can help you fifteen
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: twenty yards down the field, pass the line of scrim
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: and it just backs off those safeties, backs off the
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: defensive backs, and it gives you more space to run
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: the football, which is clearly objective number one of this offense.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, run the football. We talked about it a bit
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: last week. I have this as one of my points
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: as well, but I'm gonna keep it brief because I'm
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: essentially echoing your point. Yeah, I just want more juice
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: at wide receiver, and I'll even take you know, the
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: true downfield guy, you know who can do the proverbial
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: like take the top off the defense type of guy.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I want that, and I would love.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: Like I don't even care, like the two two at
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: wells of it all, like way back when where it's
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: like I want nothing to do with that, Like I'll
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: take it.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I'll take it.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Just anything to give. Yeah, like you said, some juice
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: to the position, and not only just the Jews.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Give me somebody who can track the ball deep. I
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: want somebody who can track the deep ball like they're
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: a center fielder and can adjust and bring it in.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: But give me that you know, vertical threat or I'm
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: putting him into the same bucket. And or give me
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: a true separator at the wide receiver spot. I want
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: someone who again it doesn't have to be and I
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: know his name has been mentioned a couple of times
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: in some sort like lad McConkie, like the idea of
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: how professional of a route runner he was, but he
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: also had some speed, like he could threat you vertical
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: a little bit, he could route you up Like it
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: could be that kind of combo. It could be a
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: pure separator like what Cole Beasley was. Give me someone
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: who adds that next level I shouldn't say next level,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: adds the dynamic like we talked about last week, continues
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: to build out that basketball lineup at the wide receiver position. Right,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: They've got, you know, a point guard and they've got
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: a bunch of power forwards. It'd be nice if they
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: got like a more athletic wing type of dude or
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: you know, a slashing type of penetrator who's good on
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: the fast break at the two guard spot, like, start
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: to round out that lineup a little bit more. Which
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: again that's not to say the lineup is terrible the
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: way it is, but continue to build that variety, get
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: that juice and like you said, again, we talked about
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: it a bunch of last week and you hit it now,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: like it just pairs so well with the run game. Now,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: if you get too small of a guy and too
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: much of like a jitterbug type of guy, if you
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: go in those run looks and the defense starts to
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: bring a guy down, they might be like, okay, cool,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: we're not worried about this guy being a blocker. Okay cool,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: we don't have to make it there. They're probably gonna
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: send him deeper. We can jack him up in the
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: run game. He's not getting into the fit properly. But
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: then it's like, okay, well what if we take that
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: guy and move him out side? Now you have to
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: account for then if you're gonna play single high, is
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: it essentially one on one on the outside? Cool? Is
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: that one on one on the outside, whether it's cover
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: one or cover three, because even if it's cover three,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: you know, solod receiver to that side. Yeah, No one's
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: getting over top. It's essentially kind of playing solo outside
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: on that spot. So cool. Can he win one on
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: one in the stem? Can he beat a guy over
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: the top, or if he's getting enough cushion on the outside,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: can we kick it to him and he can make
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: someone miss one on one in space and all of
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: a sudden that six yards of cushion turns into a
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: nine or ten yard game. Or if the angle isn't
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: right from that post safety or whoever that apex defender is,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: can he get up the sideline and make something happen
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: like that type of juice, that type of ability. Yeah,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: and especially considering what the wide receiver room looks like,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I think it just pairs so well. Like we talked
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: about and who they are, their core, their philosophy, hopefully
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: they bring back Mac Collins and then like what he
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: is in that group, But then again add that that
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: juice just in some form or fashion, they just they
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: don't have it. And then Josh Allen needs to be
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: better throwing the deep ball. Because he has no he's
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: sheer and he left meat on the table like which
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: which he did last year as well.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's definitely fair. And thinking about it this week,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: even what we were talking about last week, because this
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: is a very similar conversation, I actually feel a little
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: bit better about the basketball roster of the wide receiver
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: room because I feel like we probably said there was
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: a lot of redundancy and there was a lot of overlap,
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: and I think there is between Shakir and Samuel, or
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: between Coleman and Hollands, whatever it is. But I feel like,
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: if you're to use the basketball analogy, it does feel
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: like four out of the five spots are fair.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: But they they have a good lineup, they just that spot.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: Just feels like they have one guy that's playing slightly
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: out of position for lack of better metaphor, and it's
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: it's working fine, but it could be optimized. It's kind
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: of just how it feels. And what you said, sure,
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: I said just the pure deep threat like Deshaun jas
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: and just like only thinking about deep shots only Sure
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: that could work. But what you said too, where it's
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: just get a guy with juice, because that typically means
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: that he can win deep, but it also means all
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: the extra things that you said he could bring to
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: the offense that works too. Like it's a very because
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: it's that final spot that's missing from the basketball roster.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: It's it's kind of a wider bucket than you think
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: because there's some redundancy amongst the four other spots. Yes,
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: I guess there's some overlap between those four that I
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: just mentioned, but they do also cover some areas that
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: the others don't within those redundancies, so.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, And then I also think like Dalton Kincaid kind
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: of funnels into yeah, redundancy if it does, because he
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't have the frame to fully execute as a blocker
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: as a tight end, so essentially he's a bigger bodied
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: wide receiver. So I feel like he falls into like
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: he's a different type of player, but I feel like
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: he falls into some overlap of like Kean Coleman and
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Mac collin. Well, actually Keon and Hollands are probably better
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: blockers than kin katas so bang but again different buddy, but.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: They could use them the same way where it's like, sure,
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: you put him in motion and maybe he's kicking out
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: someone in the run game in this similar usage.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I think that's a fair and fun conversation
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: to have. We're in a good spot. I like this, Kendall.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I want to share my scream really quickly and pull
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: up something, you know, since we were talking about wide
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: receivers and some things, I wanted to pull up this
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: graphic from our friends at bet Us Cooper Cup some
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: trade rumors slash announcements that he's going to be traded.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: I have some betting odds up here for this graphic
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: from our friends at bet Us. But if you not
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: necessarily what you think he's going to go, where would
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: you like to see Cooper Cup? And where do you
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: think is a really fun spot? You think of a team,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: whether it's scheme fit or a wide receiver needy team.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: For those on the audio side, the teams up here
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Steelers are first at plus three hundred, Chargers plus four hundred,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Cowboys at plus five hundred at plus five hundred, and
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: the Commander's at plus six hundred. Where would you like
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: to see Cooper Cup? End up?
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: I'm glad that the team is actually on the graphic
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: because I had looked at all thirty two teams and
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: I was like, all right, where do I like this?
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: And they actually made the graphic the Commanders, Oh, the
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: last team, but they made the graphic. I really would
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: like him in the Commander's offense. I don't know what
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: that means for Diami Brown and how he developed in
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: this postseason and everything, but they need another They need
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: another wide receiver there, and obviously that roster is very
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: young and they're they're trying to grow it up. It's
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: a very new project over there in Washington. But I
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: think I think it makes sense that they don't have
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: like a natural slot option. I know Cooper Cup can
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: play more than just the slot, but like they were
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: going back to Jamison Crowder this year, like it works,
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: it works fine, But yeah, obviously it's an upgrade when
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: you get Cooper Cup at that position. So I think
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: that would work great for Jade Daniels and giving him
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: multiple layers of the field to attack, because we know
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: he loves the deep ball to Terry and Diami Brown
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: to be fair, but canny work those short to intermediate
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: areas with people that aren't like Austin Eckler and Zach Ertz.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: I think getting him more on that level would be
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: really good for that offense.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: I like that I'm going full so this isn't me
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: looking at anyone's cap and kind of knowing I And
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: granted Ben Johnson is gone, I would love to see
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: him go to Detroit and just see what him and
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Aman Rock could do in like those condensed sets with
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: two receivers wild with their route running capability, but then
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: also what they can do is blockers, Like I just
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: imagine a a personnel grouping on the field of like
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Montgomery and Gibbs and Cup and Laporta and Brown, and
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: it's I'm just like, I think of all the fun
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: things that could be done schematically or that I don't
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: think that's so silly and so awesome or again, I
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: don't think this is gonna happen with how they were constructed,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: but him going to him like going to Chicago where
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Ben jons and is now, like what he could do
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: in Ben Johnson's offense, given like his capability to function
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: as kind of that power slot and what he can
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: do as a blocker and how he fits in the run,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: but also what he can do as a route runner. Obviously,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Grantedy's has some injury concerns, but how accomplished he is
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: in that regard or even I think of like, I
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: don't know, is is Chris Godwin jacked up with that injury?
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Does Campa Bay makes sense for Cooper Cup and that
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: type of power slot role? Does he take the Godwin
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: role as like the blocker and the slot and I
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: think how fun that could be? Like those are the
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: kind of teams that popped into my head from everybody
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: on the graphic. As a lot of people in the
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: chat said, I think the Chargers would make sense. I
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: do like your thought with the Commanders, especially with how
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: RPO based their offense is Yeah, Man Terry and Cooper
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Cup like is just defend. Yeah, I feel like Cliff
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: would do some really fun things with Cooper Cup there.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I thought this was a fun thing to
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: kind of talk about a little bit. I really wish
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I could say the bills, but I just don't think
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: the fit like works. I mean, he's a separator and
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: he's a great route runner actually, I mean with the
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: condensed sets aspect Man as a blocker he would fit
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: so well.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: But I would but I wouldn't say know what a
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: Cooper Cup like if.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: They got him, I wouldn't be like, oh man, but
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: can you also get a speed guy.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it's just kind of makes them better at
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: what they're already good at.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: It would be more not in a negative way, like
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: more redundancy, but also like it's a sweet redundancy. But
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I would like that a little bit of tweak or
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: that little twist. But yeah, I thought this was a
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• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Comm in here from Retro CNY. He says thoughts on
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Darius Slayton is a sort of dark horse, cheaper free
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: agent signing, has some speed, been stuck with very bad
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: QB playing New York. Kendall and I talked about him
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: briefly last week as him fitting kind of in that
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: mold Yeah, field stretcher. I don't want to say underutilized,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: but maybe under set up for success in New York
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: given the quarterback situation and the offensive system there. I
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: would take that field stretching ability like he's got juice,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: has the ability to high point the football track it. Yeah,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: I think that's a yeah, I say. Kendall and I
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: talked about it last week. We would both be in
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: favor of that type. I gotta see, yeah, I gotta
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: see what the money would be, but I don't imagine.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: I can't either. I bet it's agent is very attuned
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: to the fact that he led the Giants in receiving
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: yards for like four out of the last five seasons.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: But I can also see something not saying much no
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: and I could see I don't think this would be
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: the team to do it, but he strikes me the
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: type of person who like the Jaguars signing where he
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: like man man who gave Darius Slayton forty years and
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: sixty five dollars, Like I just see him being like
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: that type of dude, which again it would be crazy,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: but also.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: Be like him, like yeah, he like realistically, he should
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: probably falls underneath the Curtis Samuel signing level, which was
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: eight million year.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say it's from the same person retro
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: c and why I said, I'd assume similar to Curtis
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Samuel money.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: I bet it's under that, but you never know. Like
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: the archetype that you were just explaining with like the
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: Jags money type of thing. He does kind of feel
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: like that player because he's got a specific skill set
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: and if a team needs it, like they're gonna pay for.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: You his market so also in open market, someone always
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: kind of pays speed is real And just for reference,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: not that this is the Bible, but at spot track
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: they have his market value at two years thirty one
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: point seven MILS or an average any value of fifteen
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: point nine that would put him from an average annual
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: value standpoint. In the conversation with Michael Pittman Junior, Terry McLaurin, T. Higgins,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: and Calvin Ridley, I don't think he'll necessarily get that,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. I could see somebody throwing like
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: three years thirty million at him or something like that.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: And if that's the case, like.
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: What's the Jacobe Myers gets like eleven point three right.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers got criminally underpaid?
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: I will I know, I know that, but you know
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: what I mean, Like he feels like someone he got
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: the same money that David David Scott right, No, uh.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: No, who did.
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: Know?
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Who did New England paid someone the exact same amounts got?
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah it was juju. There you go, thank you juju.
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah it was juju. But either way, it's somewhere that.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: It's hard weird man, because they get paid a lot
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: more now, Like it's it's tough to really hammer that down.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: But I feel like he should get less than Curtis Samuel.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: But I agree, I.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Could be way less, but he strikes I don't know why.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: I just have a feeling that he would be the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: guy that they'd be like, Wow, like the Christian Kirk
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: deal from a couple of years ago, I think Kirk
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: was a better guy, but everybody was like, oh, but
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: I think Kirk was. I mean, I like Christian Kirk.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: So maybe in the dark on that. All Right, we've
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: each hit our first couple. They've ironically or maybe not ironically,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: been in the same kind of wheelhouse. What do you
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: got for another point on your off season?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: Whishless, I'm gonna combine to him mine because they're kind
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: of similar. Uh want I haven't even said them yet.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: I want uh diversity in our secondary in terms of
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: UH skill set. So I think we talked about it
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: a little bit last week with bring back Rasool Douglas
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: and the redundancy between him and Christian Benford on top
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: of the age thing, Like I wouldn't be upset if
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: they brought back Rasol Douglas, but I think it would
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: be good to get another similar guy but a little
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: bit different from Benford because there was a lot of
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: overlap in terms of what both of those guys like
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: to do. And then similarly, I don't know who the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: starting safety is gonna be next year. I don't know
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: if it's gonna be Taylor Rapp. I don't know if
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be Cold Bishop, I don't know what it's
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: gonna look like. But whoever the Bills feel like the
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: leader in the clubhouse is, I think they should try
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: to attack a specific type of skill set because the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: people that are in the clubhouse right now aren't specifically
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: coverage based safeties. So from a safety perspective, I'd like
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: to get a coverage centric type of guy. I think
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: Michael Hyde, you know, like when we had more d
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: center fielder type of gus, when we had Hide and Poyer,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: Hide was you know, the more center field type of guy.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: Employer was the guy who could come down into the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: box or towards the line of scrimmage. Not to say
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: they both couldn't, but that was kind of where their
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: skill sets leaned. I think we need that coverage leaning
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: safety to help with what we can do on the
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: back end, broadly speaking, and then on the corner. I
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: spoke on this last week and the example I used was,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: I kind of want to get someone a little bit
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: quick twitchier on the other side opposite of Benford. Not
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: to say he can't do that, but that's not his
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: lean in terms of his skill set. So I think
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: we get a guy like that, and it makes you
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: diverse enough to defend certain offenses that have two really
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: above board wide receivers, but they're also diverse in their
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: own rights. So if you have a physical guy and
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: a quicker guy, you can mix and match however you
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: want to, if you want to match like for like
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: or opposite for opposite. And the example I used was
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith on the Eagles. You know
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: you want to match physical on physical. You put Benford
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: on Brown and whoever this other cornerback is on DeVonta Smith.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: But hey, maybe you want to put physical on the
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: quicker guy and you want to put the quicker guy
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: on the physical guy. You have the ability to do
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: that in game adjustment, pre game, that's your game plan,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: whatever it is. You give yourself the flexibility to do that.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: And I think that also goes to the safety thing.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: Maybe not right up to the player on player matchup,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: but there's the conversation still works in that respect.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: For corner, would you rather draft one early, let's say
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: round one. Would you rather draft a corner in round
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: one or pay DJ Reid on the open market dj Reid.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: I think I think I'd rather do DJ Reid and
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: let Sean McDermot see if he can make another Round
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: three I work, because he has a track record to
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: do it. Like I just I just don't feel like
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: the Bills need to be desperate about cornerback because there's
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: such a proven track record of being like high.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Floor corner safety. Both so weird because like McDermott does
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: so much getting the crazies all the time, does so
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: such a good job of getting the blood from that stone,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: and so it's like, well, you don't have to sink
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of capital.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Or opening argument of this podcast was go get difference makers.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: So it's it's weird for me to say this, but
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: like corner specifically, I don't know why this is why
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: I feel this way, but I'd rather they make a
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: big investment in safety and do a sign in draft
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: late at cornerback. You know, I'd rather they You'd rather.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Them like take a safety in round one, but then
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: sign DJ Reid and then draft another corner somewhere in
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: the draft.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like safety on day one or two, okay, and
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: corner on day three for sure, but also sign a
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: guy on the margins that can potentially play for.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: You as a starter.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: So that's personally where I would like to see it allocated.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: We'll see what happens. But I don't want them to
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: completely avoid the entire defensive backfield altogether and just completely
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: lean on the developmental skills, because that's what they've been
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: doing and it hasn't necessarily been working. But to be fair,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: it did develop Michael Hyde and Jordan Boyer into who
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: they were, So I don't want to like completely discount it,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: but I think where we are right now, I want
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: to I want to see one big investment into that secondary,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: and I would prefer it to be at safety. Oh,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: probably because Christian Benford already exists.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: That's fair. That's a fair point. I am so I
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: thought I'm putting this as one of my points, part
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: of me not doing this because I figured you would
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: and we still talk about it, and I wouln't have
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: to put it on. I'm in a similar boat. I
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily have a preface. I haven't done my college
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: scouting yet, so I can't. I don't want to speak
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: to specifics, yeah, especially a corner like I haven't done
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: any corns. I've started to look at some of the
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: safeties like Malchi Starts and nick em Worry the safety
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: from South Carolina. But I have nowhere near like giving
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: a standpop prove on anybody at in my evaluation process.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: But I do echo your sentiments of Again, we talked
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: about a bit last week, like give me more athleticism juice,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: however you want to verbalize it in the secondary. Obviously
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: I want them to be technically sound, but it is
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: a want more juice. Give me dudes who can fly
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: or who can pop. Give me somebody with some sort
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: of physical trait that is a gift or is a
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: plus match up piece. So it could be their size,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: it could be their strength, it could be their physicality,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: it could be the speed. It could be playmaking and
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: bawk and like, give me something that is a plus
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: matchup in the secondary. The draft is always a crap shoot,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: no matter how we went to do exact science. Some
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: people like to make it see that it is which
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: is not. So I would be in a lot of it.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: I mentioned dj Rey because one I think he's good,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: but to a lot of people in the chat were
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: loving him. I would welcome a signing like that. I
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: opposite of Benford like it just he ticks a lot
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: of boxes. Safety safety is a weird one for me
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: because I agree with her saying. The reason it's a
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: weird one for me is and this is purely for me.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think anything like they drafted Cold Bishop last
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: year round two, like he's not going anywhere. I don't
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: think Coal Bishop is a scheme fit for what they're
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: going to do long term. Like I think he can
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: work in this defense. I think he would be better
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: suited to play in a different style of defense. But
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: if he is your guy, granted you're not just going
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: to play single high. You have to play too high.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: We know the Bills mix up, They disguise to do
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff. Give me ye, pair him
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: with somebody who is more of a traditional ballhawk, somebody
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: who is more of a traditional like center fielder type
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: of guy, who has that range, who's comfortable as a
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: post safety, who makes up for the coverage stuff. So
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: if you do go too high, you don't want to
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: telegraph it and give up pure tendency. But you know
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: you could put Cold Bishop is like more of the
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: boundary safety because you got the guy on the other side,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: who can go more of your kind of numbers, the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: numbers like post the sideline type of deal. And again
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: I think this I think naturally ties into you know
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: that aspect. You don't have to be the fastest or
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: the most athletic to have ranged athleticism. Like Mike A.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: Hyde wasn't a tremendous tester too great angles of the football.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: He knew how to read like QB's route distributions concepts.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: He had great eyes. So you don't have to be
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: a peer athletic guy, but I would like some of that,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: especially with how they fit the run from their too
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: high structure. Yes, give me somebody who when they.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: See it, I take you space quick.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Yes. And they can do it one of two ways,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: or they can do it both ways. I'm about to
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: mention they can either read it late, but they're so
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: athletic they can fly up and make up for it.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Or they're not the most athletic, but they're such a
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: good processor that they could see it, diagnose it and
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: then they're in there right like the that I mean.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Louke Keigley was a great athlete, but Keith Lee would
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: make plays.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, before the play even stuff.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, because he knew what was coming. He could see
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: rediagnose boom, it's over. And so I just think they
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: need more of that at that safety position. And I
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: think it's easier to get guys who are more athletic
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: than it is, guys who can see the field that
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: way and see one pain that way, especially as a rookie.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Like that's a hard thing to do, but I echo
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: your sentiments. I think they need more. I think they
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: need more of the high variance guys on the back end.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: And again every year we have this conversation because it's like, oh, well,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: you don't need to allocate a lot back there because
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: of what McDermott has gotten out of it. But then
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: the other side of it is like, yeah, but imagine
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: what he could get out of it because he's so
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: good at taking a little and making it a lot.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Imagine if you gave him a lot what he could
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: do with it. And then now I think there's another
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: level to it of like, oh, yeah, we said there
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: were kyer elam and then I would come back and
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: be like Kendall and I didn't say that because we
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: did not like that pick. But yeah, I think that's
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: a real fun one, and I do wonder I'm not
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: advocating for it. I don't remember actually where my saying.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: I can look it up right here because it's in
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: front of me, but his contract is not there.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: We talked about it a bit last week. Taylor Rap
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: can be you know, a post June six June sixth
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: June first designated cut. It's only a one point three
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: million dollars dead cap hit six hundred and sixty six
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: this year and next year, and it saves you three
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: million dollars in cap savings this year. I don't think
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: like I think right now, if you're looking at it,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, it's probably gonna be rapping Bishop. I
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: don't think they're married to Taylor Rap. I like he
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: could be a cut candidate. They could move on in
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: some other way, shape or form. I don't know if
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: they will. I don't think they necessarily subscribe to our
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: vision in the second theory, but just in case, say that,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: just in case anyone's like, well, they're not going to
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: sign the cut Rap. They just sign him to a
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: three three year contract. Not really like they could easily
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: get out of it this year with minimal dead cap
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: and actually save some money on top two.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how they address the
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: defensive backfield. I mean the reality of it is they're
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: probably not gonna invest a lot and they're gonna have
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: a high floor but not a high ceiling, and it's
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: gonna frustrate us for you know, eternity.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Uh, they're back. There is Damar Hamlin, Dan Jackson, lee By,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, hell, even Christian Benford was a six round pick.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: No, it's the same idea, it just hit harder.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, Dame Jackson was a hit, Like even Damar Hamlin.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: You got a guy laid on day three and he's
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: been a depth a good depth guy. I don't think
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: he should be a starter, but he's been a good
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: depth guy. That's a hit. Christian Benford is just the outlier,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: like in a tremendous way. But it's again, it's such
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: an interesting conversation.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: I mean that goes back to my opening point, like this,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: this regime is so good at drafting after round.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Three, So it's so annoying how good they are at that.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: But it's like, do more of that, Like they get
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: big hits on day three, give me big hits on
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: day one.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: And the hard part about it is like when you
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: hit on all these Day three guys and you need
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: to extend them, you need to give them their fair
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: market price. And when you give all of these bs
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: fair market prices, you can't afford to spend in free
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: agency because.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: You just sign any a's.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: Because you can't sign a's, you need to find a's.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: It makes it really difficult. But no, it's it's just
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: a Really I don't think they intended to build the
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: roster this way. They were just really good at drafting
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: in later rounds and it turned into a really spread
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: out talent on the roster instead of being top heavy.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just a different way to roster build. Oh good point.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: This is your first time to go first, isn't.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: It kind Yeah, kind of cash because all my points
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: are like, oh, I also have that. I don't have much, dad,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: But here's my point. That's why I'm trying to figure
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: out what the I'll see. So I mentioned this a
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: little bit last week. You and I have talked about
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: this for several years. This was the main one for
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: me that I was thinking about all during the day
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: today of like, we've said this so much and it
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: pisses me off. There we're saying it again. I want
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: some archetype tweaks on the defensive line. I am tired
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: of the compressed your laft right away. I'm tired of
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: the compressed the pocket guys. I don't see this changing.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: I think this is more of a variable here and there.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: But give me more twitch, more bend, more athleticism, more
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: juice at the edge position. I don't think there's anything
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: holistically wrong with their archetype. For me, it's not the
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: type of way that I would approach it, and I
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: think it leaves them vulnerable in certain areas against certain teams.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: So I would like some Markeet type tweaks on the
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: defensive line, yet, particularly especially at edge, twitch, bend, athleticism,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: more juice at that spot on the interior. I know
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: they want the versatility. I know that even the third
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: and fourth edge or third and fourth defensive tackle I
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: should say it's going to st and on game day
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: has to be able to play the run in the past.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: But give me some more stoutness on the interior, even
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: if it's just the rotational body like. I want some
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: sort of change in the body types, the skill sets,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: the traits that they invest in on that defensive line.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Tying into this as well, I'm gonna cheat and kind
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: of combine two points here. Give me more change ups
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: in the defense, give me more coverage variability and more
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: front variability. Again, I doubt this happens. I think this
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: is doubtful, but I think this is a somewhat realistic
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: wishless And it's still a wishless or somewhat realistic wish
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: on a wish list. But I just think they they
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: just need to change some things in that spot. I
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: think the type of defense that they want to run
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: from a front perspective, and even with how the front
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: ties to the coverage. We talked about it with the
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: I think we were offline when we did it last year.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Last week when you and I were kind of chopping
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: it up after the show ended, we were looking at
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: the twenty fifteen Panthers roster. Yeah, you have to have
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: horses up front to just run the four down front
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: that they want to run, and that Panther's front was like,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: oh sweet, you know Jared Allen as he's riding off
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: into the sunset. Charles Johnson, a young and up and
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: coming startletula and then Kaewan Short, who's like an all
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: pro game record on the interior, Like, you need to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: have horses on your d line, and I don't think
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: they have the horses. Now, if they get the horses,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: I'm fine. Just if you want to recreate the cold Front,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: because you've got Kya Williams and Jerry Hughes and Mario
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Williams and like Marcel Darius before he fell off a cliff. Cool,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: but you have to have the horses to do it,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: and I don't think they have the horses to do it.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: So give me more schematic tweaks and again, change ups.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: I understand what the fastball is, yeah, say yeah, so
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: the fastball can be the fastball. Just give me more
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: get throw the change up a little bit more, yeah, please,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: and thank you. A little bit more off speed stuff,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: a little more breaking balls schematically, and then from an
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: archetype standpoint, yeah, give me. I just want some more
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: athleticism on the edge. I just don't want everybody to
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: be like, well, we can press the pocket, and I'm like, sweet,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: what else They're.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: Like does that help on third and long?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Does it? I just there's so many issues with it,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: and it's weird too, because like the compressed the pocket guys,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: like I know they compressed the pocket, but it also
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: like the bendy, twitchy guys can also help one gap
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: and penetrate and then you can do something like there's
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: just so many like little odds and ends that I
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: think can be tied up with that. And again, it
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a holistic change up front. You know,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: if if von Miller stays and then you're three again,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: is our Von Groot and epinessa that fourth guy? Make
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: him an athlete. Give me somebody with some bend in,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: some twitch, or if Von goes somewhere and then it's okay,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: it's Groot and it's aj or if you're not bringing
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: back Groot, whatever the hell. Like, I just it doesn't
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: have to be all four dudes have to be the thing.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: I just want it kind of like the wide receiver room.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: Build it like a basketball lineup. I don't think they
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: have that two guard or even a point guard at
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: the defensive end spot right now, and which is fine,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: but you're you're starting five or all power forwards, which
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: can work, but against the teams that can really exploit it,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: AKA the better teams in the league, aka the type
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: of teams you see in the playoffs. I think they
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: need to combat it a little bit and fight some
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: fire with fire.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think the interesting thing, too, is is how
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: they ideally want to build this defensive line. And you
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: alluded to the Panthers team what they did in their
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: first opportunities with von Miller. Felt like the horses were there, Like,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: this was von Miller when he was still running hot.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: This was de Kwon Jones when he was still running
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: really hot in Buffalo. This was at Oliver when he
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: was having arguably one of his better seasons of leave
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: and Russo ascending. I mean, he wasn't there yet, but
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: he's I.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: Mean he was a top tier run defender like he
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: still is now. And then he play sure yes, and
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: he was able to play robin to von Miller's batman yep.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: And then you had Daeque and the Inchier at Oli
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: and the in Teer. Yeah, you had you had some horses,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: and Vaughn was a top ten edge at his addition,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: so you had a bucket, you had a bucket getter
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: and some horses.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: And you have a Vanessa coming off the bench. So
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: like it's tough because you look at what it was.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: What was that is that early twenty two or early okay,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: so that's early twenty two, and you look at what
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: it is or what it was at that time, and
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: you're like, well, I understand why they're banging their head
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: against this wall because it's the same human beings, right,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: Like is it the same humans? What's changed? Well? Time injuries,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: Like two of those four are descending just because of
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: age and injuries, and the other two are ascending and
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: entering their prime. So it's just the reality of you
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: kind of need to holistically look at the group and
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: figure out what's best for those two that are ascending.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: Are they ready to take on leadership roles? Are they
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: ready to take people under their wing to help those
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: other two spots if you're trying to draft people and
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: make them better, or like this comment says wishless Garrett,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: like you get a Miles Garrett and that plugs up
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: one of those BUCKETOJU like swing immediately changes the math.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: So it it's tough. I'm right there with you, specifically
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: on the defensive tackle thing. Like, I mean, we've been
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: singing these praises since.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do it every offseason, so it finally happens.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: I just don't think it. And again we alluded to
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: it a bit last week. I understand why they don't
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: change it because year after year the defense is, of
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: the whole, a good defense. My issue is and again
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: we talked about this, actually not even alluded to it.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: We talked about this more in depth last week. The
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: type of defense they run schematically and then with the
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: players that they have on the whole, it is a
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: good defense. But when you get to those playoff games
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: against teams that have either seen you multiple times or
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: are just good football teams, it leaves you vulnerable. And
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: that's what happens. Year after year. They have this good defense,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: and everybody wants and a lot of bills fans, the doomers,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: but also some realistic ones are like, wait till we
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: get to the playoffs, defense fall apart again. And then
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: you get to the playoffs and it's like, I think
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: this year was a little different because the defense was
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: showing vulnerable.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: The defense wasn't year this year like they just and
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: people explained over it.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: People were like, oh, the turnovers, right, and the turnovers.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: Were crazy, but turnovers, turnovers aren't guarantees like you do it.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: You can as a defense to play your part in
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: the turnovers, but you know how many of those were
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: just bad overthrows, Like there's a lot of things, and
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: you know, the ball bouncing one way or another because
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: not round, Like there's just so much that can't be
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: controlled on that. And I there's a real hope in
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: me that this is finally a year where they look
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: at the defense and they're like, yes, our system helped us.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: Our system allowed us to play with the high floor
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: and it still helped us put us in position to
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: win it. The defense was rarely the reason we lost,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: but you look back at the whole season and you're like, yeah,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: this defense could have done a lot more. Like this
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: was probably the worst worst year of the defense in
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: the Sean McDermott era. Maybe I'd have to actually look at.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: The stats, but I don't remember what they were in
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: year two when they didn't make the playoffs and they
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: were like rebuilding that Allen year.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: Right, that's what I'm thinking about the first two years specifically.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: I know the first year they were sweet. That's why
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: they made the playoffs exactly, it was that was the
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: space shutdown that that Matt Ryan, Julio Jones Falcons offense
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: But like this had to be close statistically, if you
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: look at everything other than like, if you look away
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: from what points and turnovers because points are you know,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: also influenced by turnovers. If you look at everything else
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: in terms of like moving the ball, third down, red
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: zone stuff, like all the situations fast, they were not good.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: You talked about several pieces last week, So did I
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: and they just don't. Ah, yeah, it's a man. I
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: had a thought and I lost it. I started thinking
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: something else. Oh what was my thought? Say say say things?
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: So what we were talking about the ah, we were
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: just Oh, I got it, Sorry, I got it, brought
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: it back.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: I didn't even have to say you do You did it?
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: You said, oh, and I was like, I got it.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: That triggered me. You can win with talent or you
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: can win with scheme, and I just think it's hard
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: to get the right talent in, especially given where they are.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: Like that means you have to allocate significant resources to
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: bringing a guy in via trader free agency, or you
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: have to hit on somebody who can make a difference
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: right away as a rookie. Those things are harder than okay,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: we can adjust them things, we can change some of
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: our philosophical approach with some change ups, Like it's it's
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: harder to get the horses because that means you have
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: to hit. And part of their problem too, is they've
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: invested a lot on the defensive line.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: They haven't hit a ton, like and I'm the very
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: least hit at the level where it's worthwhile.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, it where it's worthwhile. They haven't hit on the pen,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: the pendulum swingers, the bucket getters, the different makers, and
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: even I'm not writing anyone off after one year or
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: even too, but like I don't know, Like if you
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: told me that we were ready to move on from
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: Dwayne Carter, I'd be like, okay, Like he just did
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: nothing for me this year and showed a lot of
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: the flaws that he had at Duke, but in a
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: worse way and without the pass rush, pop and juice.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, there's just you can win with town or
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: you can win with scheme. And it's hard to just
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: get a bunch of Jimmy's and Joe's. And if you
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: can't get the Jimmies and Joe's, you got to tweet
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: some of the x's and hose.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: And that's that's the reality. Like, if you're not getting
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: the Jimmies and Joe's, do you put them in better
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: position by tweaking the scheme and making them look better
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: than they are? Like, if you can scheme things up,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: it just allows people to play above their talent level.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: Because that's good coaching. And I get a lot of
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: this coaching staff is really predicated on development because, like
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: you said, like the defensive thing is very simple, but
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: rule based, yes, right, Like the structure of it is
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: very simple, but everything within it is very nuanced. So yeah,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: it's simple. But if you throw more wrinkles in there
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: and you actually diversify things from a schematic perspective, it
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: might hide some things from the offense, make things a
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: little muddy for them moving forward, and actually help some
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: of these guys who aren't the horses to be those
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: difference makers and put them in better positions to succeed.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: So well said, Uh, hopefully it happens, But I don't
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: know it's realistic enough to make the wish list.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: But it yes, it's realistic that it's not completely pie
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: in the sky. But I also feel like, ah, yeah,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: you just have a track record.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: But the thing that gives me the most hope is
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: how bad they were statistically on defense. Yes, and I
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: think they look at that stuff every off season.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: And having a younger guy like Babbite, who I know
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: is from the McDermot tree now at this point, but
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe a dude who's different enough with
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: his voice to be like, you know what we need
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: to do? Yes, by doing this, I'd be like, Okay,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: make baby. But again, I feel like he echoes more
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: of mcdermot's thoughts of philosophies than he does kind of
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: challenge em ork different from them, not in necessarily a
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: bad or positive way, just in terms of who they are.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: How many more? How many points you got? I have
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: one more because I combined because I did five and
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: I combined two.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: You go because you kind of ran over my my
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: defensive line. One that's kind of the similar similar sentiments,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: so I'm pretty much out.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: Copy this one is some people have alluded to some
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: of these players in the chat. I but it could
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: be it could be variable. Then I've used this phrase
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: a bunch tonight, so I'm just gonna use it again.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: I would like a pendulum swinging addition to to the roster,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: primarily on the defensive side of the ball. So give
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: me could be the trade for Milescaret, trade for Max Crosby.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: It could be splashing a little bit with some money
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: for DJ Jones or BJ Hill or maybe Josh Sweat. Like,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: give me someone who is capable of all these phrases
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: that like I've been using throughout the night, and you've echoed,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: and the chat has echoed. Give me somebody or multiple
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: somebodies in some way, but it's gonna be tough where
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: they are financially. Just give me a bucket getter and
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: a pendulum swinger. They can get it on offense, cool,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: but like I think the defensive.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: Sit defense needs it more.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Just give me somebody who I don't want to be like,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: you know what this guy could fit or this is
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: not like I want someone who I'm like, oh, that's
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: a good signing, And I immediately think of the interior,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: Like I still like Daiklon Jones. I think he's fit
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: more for a rotational role than he is a starting role.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: The miles are starting to show on the tires a
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: little bit there, so I think a top three interior
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: wise of ed Oliver DJ Jones and Daiquon or ed
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: Oliver B. J Hill Daiquon the rotation there and then
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: you vary it up based on what teams want to
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: run or what type of front you want to use,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: Like I think of what that could be. And again
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: I mentioned those because I think that's easier to do
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: than trading for Max Kros We were trading for Miles Garrett.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: But I just want a pendulum swinger on the defensive side. Ironically,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: all those guys are defensive linemen, but it could be
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: DJ Reid. I think he's a pendulum swinger. If you
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: want to sign DJ Reid like or honestly, I think
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: this one is would not happen. But you want to
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: throw some money at Javon Holland, it's safety, Like.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: I'd welcome that. Yeah, absolutely welcome.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: That instant Javon Holland and Kole Bishop May that would.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: Make this thing's defense. That that's the whole point of coverage.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: Safety.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's hybrid in every sense of the word hybrid.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: But he can do so he can cover city, That's
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: what I mean. He could unlock everything, bro everything he
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: can do coming forward, like as a tackler, as.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: Not a single thing you can't do from a back end.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: And his and his just what he was as a
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: coverage guy in Oregon and then what he's become at Miami.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Just give me some pendulum swinger, and there's a multitude
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: other guys like I'm not gonna run down the whole
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: like gam it up, but just it's somebody who is
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: a pendulum swinger, and that's I just think they need
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: that on that side of the ball. They need someone
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: they can hang their hat on. Who's who's going to
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: get you a bucket. It was supposed to Benne and
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: it was for a bit. I don't know if it
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: would still be him if he didn't get hurt. I
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: don't know how much that changed him versus just time
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: and age and all that kind of stuff. But they
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: need a pendulum swinger on that side of the ball
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: and someone who can regularly get them a bucket. Yeah.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: No, I mean that was pretty much my first point.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, as much as I said it broadly for
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: the full team and specifically on first round draft picks,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: it it really did permeate to all levels of the
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: conversation and specifically to the defense here. But I think
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: the the big fear for me here is, like, I
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: know a lot of people are big on you know,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: Max Crosby.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: I've loved Max Crosby for years. He's like one of
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: my favorite players in and I say every year, I'm like,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: get Max Crosby, But this year I'm like, no serious.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, he would fit the team too, But even
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: beyond that, like acquiring him or Miles Garrett, the biggest
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: fear for me moving forward is what does that take y?
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: Is this a team that's ready to part with draft
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: picks when they need to? And I know this goes
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: against my whole idea of making that core denser and
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: more talented and just allow the margins to be the
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: margins and develop them. But that's my fear because that's change,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: and change is fearful. Like we're we're used to the
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: we're used to the high floor of this team, uh
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: and we're used to them being a certain level of
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: six sess And if you you know, don't have a
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: first and the second and Greg Russeau, what does this
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: team look like if you replace that with Max Crosby
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: or Miles Garrett And it could be way better? Like,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know. It could be way better, but it
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: could also take a step back, And that's that's the fear,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: Like I just don't know what it does to the
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: franchise clock if you get rid of a couple of
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: day one picks, and just what that looks like financially
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: in three years when you're like, oh uh, all right,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: we don't have this superstar anymore, and we don't have
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: these rookie contracts because not only did no one hit,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: we didn't even have an opportunity for anyone to hit.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Or even similar to the vonn scenario, what happens if
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: you trade for Garrett and Garrett gets hurt, Yeah, you
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: trade for Crosby and Crosby gets hurt. Like that was
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: what for as much as everybody likes to knock the
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: von signing, and it was all, well, he was old
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: and he was bound to wear down. Like all that
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: may be true, I don't think I think that necessarily
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: is the case. But he very much was what you
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: paid him for. He was a closer, He was very
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: productive until he went down. Like so he was as
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: advertised in what was hoped, But I don't know, especially
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: on the defensive line, man you get rolled up on
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: playing the run or hit from the side, your negos,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: your achilles, whatever the hell, man Like, it's just so
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: easy to go down and then all of a sudden
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: you put it's not even just at these guys. I
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: it's the definition of why you don't necessarily put all
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: your eggs in one basket. It's why you want you know,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: you can use any of these analogies. But it's the
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: same thing with the draft. It's why you want as
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: many picks as possible so you can have as many
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: shots and as many you know, dart throws as possible,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: instead of we're going to trade all these picks to
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: move up for this one guy, even though it's technically
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: still a crapshoot, like it's pros and cons, but I
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: also would love. I just also want if they compair
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: someone like that and still keep group like because he's
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: just such.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: An I know, that's the thing I can I can't
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: think of that while keeping group, And I think what
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: it is is signing someone.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: Because then you have to because not only do is
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: that mean like, because group could be a chip to
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: bring one of these guys, but you're gonna have to
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: pay group and exactly like it gets tough. Yeah, and
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: that's where that's where it gets wonky.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: And I I just how many times are we taken
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: from the Bank of Josh and the Bank of Dion.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, the first thing I did. I
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: haven't gone into full cap mode and money yet, but
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: like the first thing I did, I didn't click on Dion's,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: but I clicked on Allen's and I was like, what
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: are the cap hits and what kind of extension can
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: we do here and move the money? And it's tough
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: for a lot of like the bills towards that upper
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: part of the team, like in terms of who you're
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: gonna rearrange and what you're gonna do. And to your point, yeah,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: like we've heard a lot of levers already. Exactly, we
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: have pulled a lot of the levers. I go said, okay,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: do you want to like.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: Did you just go on newte there?
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: Huh?
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay, just say that say that last point again?
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: You just cut out? Oh do you do you try
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: to extend ed? Like is it like who are you?
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: Who's the one you're trying? But the numbers like don't
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: work out great and don't look great. The one that's
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: killing me right now is one two. Dawson Knox has
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: the sixth highest cap hit on the team this year
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: at fourteen point five six eight. Yeah, and that makes
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: me want to run out into traffic and you can't
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: do anything about it. Be well you can. But his
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: dead cap hit is sixteen point nine million dollars.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he would have to do something about it. Didn't
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: he already take it?
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah? He in twenty twenty four.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like he'd have to do it again.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one's a killer, But yeah, it's some pendulum swinging.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: It's possible. They have money to maneuver. They have guys
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: they could cut. They have extensions that could be done,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: even a positive way, like you could take David Edwards
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: and extend him and knock him down by a couple
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: of mil you can, you know, kind of nickel and
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: dime or like you said, go to the bank of Dion,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: go to the bank of Josh and kind of go
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: from there. But yeah, I think this is a fun
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: and offseason and a pivotal one. All of these are
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: gonna be pivotal. You have a good football team and
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: you have a franchise quarterback. So each one of these
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: are gonna kind of echo similar thoughts and sentiments. But yeah,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: anything else from a wishless standpoint for the Bills this
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: offseason for.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: You, No, man, I just I want that game changer,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: Like I just I really want that superstar on the
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: defense that we can get excited about, because it just
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: feels spread so evenly, and it's like I don't want
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: to sit here and say it's boring, but like it's boring.
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  Speaker 4: I want I want to, like want a jersey of
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: a defensive player, even though I'm probably not gonna buy one,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: Like either way, I want to want one. So it's
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  Speaker 4: it's just tough. I really I really want to see that.
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  Speaker 4: I really want to see that for our our team.
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  Speaker 4: But I was I was talking to a friend recently
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, think about all these great teams
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  Speaker 4: across the league, the ones that make it to the
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: super Bowl usually have you know, that face of the
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  Speaker 4: franchise on offense and on defense for I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Even just using it, not like for low hanging fruit,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: but there as many plays as Patrick Mahomes has made,
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  Speaker 1: how many games is Chris Jones like saying out and
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: being like I'm gonna go make this play on third
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  Speaker 1: and fourth down and end this game. And it's like, oh,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: there's Chris Jones saying how many games does he like
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  Speaker 1: won a lot for the Chiefs?
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  Speaker 4: Can we see that type of who's the Josh Allen
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: of the defense? And I think for a time it
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: was it was probably Matt Mulano. And I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: don't I'm not here to say that time is over,
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  Speaker 4: but why not try and get another one?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 4: There's just no harm. I mean, the team's in a
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  Speaker 4: really good position. They've always kept a really strong foundation.
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  Speaker 4: Take the chance, believe in the culture, whatever it is,
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  Speaker 4: just take the chance, be arrogant, be confident. This team's good.
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  Speaker 1: Seize the moment, car paid the dam.
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  Speaker 4: I like it.
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  Speaker 1: One last graphic from our friends at bet using into
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. These are the Super Bowl MVP odds
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  Speaker 1: by position. Quarterback leading the way at minus two twenty
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  Speaker 1: five and then running back at plus two hundred, wide
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  Speaker 1: receiver at plus six hundred, tight end at plus eight hundred,
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  Speaker 1: any defensive position at plus sixteen hundred, and then kicker
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  Speaker 1: at plus five thousand. My question for you, Kendall, in
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  Speaker 1: relation to this graphic, do you think kind of much
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  Speaker 1: like the regular season MVP Award has the Super Bowl
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: MVP Award become like the Quarterback Award, where a quarterback
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: either has to play terribly on the winning team or
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: someone else just has to ball out for it to
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: not be a quarterback. And also, for reference tied to
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  Speaker 1: this was in the last five years, the only MVP
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  Speaker 1: to not be a quarterback was Cooper Cup a couple
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: of years ago. So do you see this a MVP
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: award is like, Okay, if you're a quarterback and you
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: just have a halfway decent day and you win, it's
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: going to your two, it's going to you.
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  Speaker 4: I do, and I don't. Like it's definitely skewed towards
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks like MVP is for the regular season. But I
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  Speaker 4: think because it's just a one game sample size, I
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: think it makes it a little bit easier for those
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: non quarterback positions to rise up there. Like we were
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: just looking at it before the show and it's like,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: you forget about that Malcolm Malcolm Smith game, And yeah,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: like he went off in that game, don't get me wrong,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: but like there were other players that kind of deserved it,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: but he was unquestioned because of what he did in
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: that one game and that's all it takes, just the
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: one game, Like if you go back six years, Julian
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: Edelman actually won it in that sixth year back because
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: neither of the quarterbacks were playing well enough, Like, all
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: it takes is one interception, one fumble, and it kind
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: of skews things for the quarterback and you start looking
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: at all the other skill positions and you're like, well,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: who's played a great game with zero mistakes. It's kind
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: of hard to say they don't deserve MVP when the quarterback,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: through an interception, brought the other team back into the game.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: So I don't know, it's definitely easy for the quarterback,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: but I think unlike regular season MVP, these non quarterback
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: positions have a better chance than the regular season MVP.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: I would agree, I think that. I think that is
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: a very fair sentiment. I do see it though, as
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: like like if your team wins and you you do
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: for like three hundred and ten yards, two touchdowns and
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: two interceptions, there's a good chance you're probably going to
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: be MVP, unless.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: You're I don't know those two interceptions, would say.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: Though, unless you're running back ran for like one hundred
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: plus and a couple tuddies, or you had one receiver
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: that had like ten eleven twelve catches for like one
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty hundred and forty and one touchdown or
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: something like. I just feel like so much of it.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like the MVP for the Super Bowl is
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: very much just like, Okay, as long as this quarterback
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: is halfway decent, it's going to be his or or
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: the person that's got the most star power coming in,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: which is usually the quarterback. If I had to bet
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: on an MVP, Like, if the Chiefs are winning, it's
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: probably Mahomes. If the Eagles are winning, it's probably gonna
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: be Saquan or or Hurts depending on who. If how
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: much the Chiefs can like stop the run, I think
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: it's like they look for or gravitate towards like Okay, Sakuan,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: you just need eighty yards and two touchdowns, and if
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: the Eagles win, you're gonna be the MVPA unless somebody
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: does something like crazy aside less we get five touch
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: pushes from Hertz, yes, or unless like I don't know,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: Jalen Carter has like two and a half sacks and
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: a forced fumble and then you're like but even that,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: I think those have like one of them has to
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: be on a big third down.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like the force fumble has to be like the
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: opportunity for the Eagles to then win the game on
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: that driver.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: So it's got to tie into that game momentum or
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: it's just got to be this holistic like von Miller
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: won it because he was the best player on the
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: defense that dominated that Super Bowl against the Panthers, and
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: so then it's like, oh, okay, like this makes sense.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: I I just hate that the MVP conversation in general
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: has become like the quarterback Award.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I don't think anyone likes it.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what it is. Make other positions great again.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: Great, it'd be sweet to see a kicker do it.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's a realistic pathway for a kid.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: You know what it was. It is like if some
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: team wins like eighteen thirteen and their kicker hit like
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: all went six to six and hit like it's a
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: year winner for like forty nine to fifty three yards.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: All it takes is a couple long ones and a
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: game winner, or like a couple just medium field goals
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: and then a really long game winner like there's a path.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's a real path. I would love that. Give
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: me a defensive battle with a Super Bowl MVP kicker,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: I'm signing up for that. I would take that in
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: a heartbeat.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: And I think everyone in America would take Jake Elliott
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 4: for for Super Bowl MVP.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: Oh man, that'd be intense as long as as not Bucker.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's the reason I picked Elliott.
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  Speaker 4: Oh man, I'm excited for this thing to get going.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: We're like sneaky close to the combine and that's when
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: it all starts. I mean, I need to get going
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: on some tape just so I know something because last year,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: everything I knew was through podcasts in other people's eyes.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: So I'm hoping to not have it be one hundred
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: percent through other people's eyes this year. But yeah, the
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: combine is when it starts. All the rumors starts swirling
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: once people start meeting up in Indy. So it's it's
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 4: exciting and it's sneaky around the corner. And then we
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: really get going into this thing, like we're only a
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: month away from free agency starting up a month and
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: a week or whatever it is. Yeah, it start talking
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: about Yeah, so it's it's sneaky close, guys, like things
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 4: are gonna start happening quicker than you think. And I'm
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: excited to see how we start seeing the dominoes fall,
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  Speaker 4: because that every domino that falls, it just gives us
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  Speaker 4: a clearer answer as to what the next domino is
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  Speaker 4: gonna be, because right now it's just clean slate and
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: we're just guessing.
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