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The DEVIL'S DAY CARE_ The Most DISTURBING Case You've NEVER Heard Of _ _Country Walk Satanic Cult · The conspiracy

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  Speaker 1: Today we're examining a case that involves satanism of children
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  Speaker 1: and allegedly ritual and this is a case that still
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  Speaker 1: decades later, divides opinions. This is the Country Walk case
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  Speaker 1: that happened in Miami, Florida. Now a lot of you
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  Speaker 1: might not be familiar with this story. I certainly wasn't
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  Speaker 1: until someone suggested it. But when I started digging into
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  Speaker 1: the details of this whole thing, I was absolutely horrified.
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  Speaker 1: Was this entire thing a horrifying instance of hardcourt or
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  Speaker 1: was it a product as some people claim, of mass
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  Speaker 1: hysteria and over zealous law enforcement. Join me today as
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  Speaker 1: we explore every angle of this disturbing and complicated case.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Colin Brown, and welcome to The Conspiracy Files. So
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  Speaker 1: as always with this show, everybody, all parties are presumed
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  Speaker 1: innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. All
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  Speaker 1: this stuff is alleged. These are all allegations that have
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  Speaker 1: been made. We're trying to look at this thing from
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  Speaker 1: the perspective of this being as a true full story.
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  Speaker 1: All opinions are solely mine the host producer of The
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  Speaker 1: Conspiracy Files, the show itself. I don't want to do
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  Speaker 1: anything to myself. I'm not planning on going anywhere soon,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, just as a preface, there have been so
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  Speaker 1: many cases like this over the years, like the McMartin
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  Speaker 1: preschool case in California in the eighties, there were all
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  Speaker 1: of these, you know, disturbing allegations that emerged from daycares
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  Speaker 1: across the United States. Children, you know, started telling these
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  Speaker 1: stories of bizarre things that were happening to them, people
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  Speaker 1: that were participating in these rituals and you know, doing
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  Speaker 1: these things. It's easy to write all this off as
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  Speaker 1: just a product of the Satanic Panic, when law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: was extremely overzealous trying to prosecute people and find the
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  Speaker 1: devil in every corner of small town America. And I
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  Speaker 1: agree with people obviously, I think the Satanic Panic was
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  Speaker 1: definitely real, but I also think that the entire thing
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  Speaker 1: was used to almost exonerate people that were guilty of crimes.
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  Speaker 1: They got written off, you know, as victims of the
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  Speaker 1: Satanic Panic, and there were there were plenty of those.
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  Speaker 1: But you'd be surprised, honestly to see how many people
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  Speaker 1: comment on my videos and say that, you know, cults
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  Speaker 1: aren't real. There's never been a Satanic cult murder. There
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  Speaker 1: have been multiple actually that I've just covered on this show.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you actually google it and just look
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  Speaker 1: through the stories and the search results, you'll see that
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  Speaker 1: there were plenty of confirmed cases of.
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  Speaker 2: These people people.
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  Speaker 1: I'm same with these daycare stories. You guys might remember
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  Speaker 1: I did an episode on the Presidio Daycare in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 1: I actually went all the way there in person and
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  Speaker 1: was investigating the story on the ground. And that's a
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  Speaker 1: case that is absolutely insane. I mean, you had a
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  Speaker 1: guy Michael Ichino, who is basically entrenched in psychological warfare.
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  Speaker 1: He's associated with the United States Army. He's a high
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  Speaker 1: ranking official, a member of the Temple of set which
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  Speaker 1: is a Satanic sect, an offshoot almost of the Church
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  Speaker 1: of Satan, like Anton Levey, and all these kids there
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  Speaker 1: were being kids were testifying that they were brought off
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  Speaker 1: the campus to the homes of these people. They were
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  Speaker 1: describing the interiors of the homes, they recognized the exteriors
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  Speaker 1: of the homes, they recognized the alleged walking down the
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  Speaker 1: streets completely out of the blue. Then when everything starts
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  Speaker 1: to get called out, all the cases disappear, people got threatened,
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  Speaker 1: there were reporters that got threatened. That daycare was set
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  Speaker 1: on fire in some mysterious blaze.
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  Speaker 2: The whole thing was destroyed.
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  Speaker 1: There was a history of people who had alleged that
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  Speaker 1: there had been malpractice involving the children at that daycare.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the kids were even diagnosed with and that
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  Speaker 1: was just never explained.
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  Speaker 2: They just kind of dropped it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's really hard to find any you know, YouTube videos,
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  Speaker 1: newspaper articles anything about the presidio. You know, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: trying to toot my own horn here, but I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: really find any videos about the presidio at all on YouTube,
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  Speaker 1: which is crazy because I'm coming from a very skeptical
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  Speaker 1: mind here when I do these shows. Ten years ago,
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  Speaker 1: I would not have believed in any of this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Even five years ago, you know, I hadn't really done
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  Speaker 1: the research and looked into this stuff, and I used
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  Speaker 1: to write it off as satanic panic. Now I do
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  Speaker 1: want to state, and I want to be very crystal
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  Speaker 1: clear with this, I am not painting Satanists or Pagans
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  Speaker 1: or anybody like that with a you know, large broad brush.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's nuance to everything in life. I've known
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  Speaker 1: some really good kind friendly people that were Satanists, I
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  Speaker 1: don't judge them at all. I mean, it's your choice.
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  Speaker 1: We live in America. If you are a true red
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  Speaker 1: blooded American, you should believe in religious freedom. So they're
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  Speaker 1: free to practice whatever they'd like to. But just like
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  Speaker 1: in all groups, there are bad apples. Christians, for example,
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  Speaker 1: look at the it's in the Catholic Church. So needless
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  Speaker 1: to say, Satanists, there are gonna be some bad apples
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  Speaker 1: and some things that happen. And if you really deconstruct
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  Speaker 1: all of this and go back to the eighties and
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  Speaker 1: think about people like Michael Achino who were allegedly involved
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  Speaker 1: in all of this, and actually study these files and
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  Speaker 1: these testimonies, their children and these stories. A big thing
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  Speaker 1: that they were studying back then was mind control.
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  Speaker 2: And one way that.
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  Speaker 1: I've learned that they try to break down somebody's mind
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  Speaker 1: from mind control is through ritual and symbolism and repeated
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  Speaker 1: It's horrific stuff. There's tons of testimony from survivors that
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  Speaker 1: have talked about this, files that have been and unredacted,
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  Speaker 1: experiments that have been run, people that have whistled blown.
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  Speaker 1: So when I look at cases like this, it's just weird,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like, was this a thing because they were
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  Speaker 1: doing these mind control experiments back then? Could that be
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  Speaker 1: what this was? Were these just unrelated cults and this
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  Speaker 1: was like a huge fad that was going on.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But if you look at today how many predators there are, especially,
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  Speaker 1: it should be no surprise that there were tons back
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  Speaker 1: then too. The Internet today has exposed all of that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's just so many of these people out
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  Speaker 1: there searching this disgusting now.
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  Speaker 2: But they existed back then.
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  Speaker 1: I think they were just obviously more well hidden because
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  Speaker 1: the Internet wasn't so prevalent. But anyways to the Country
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  Speaker 1: Walk case. At the heart of the Country Walk case
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  Speaker 1: was a Frank Fuster, a man accused of orchestrating one
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  Speaker 1: of the most disturbing child rings ever uncovered at his
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  Speaker 1: home daycare, the Country Walk Babysitting Service. The allegations that
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  Speaker 1: were made were absolutely horrifying, ritualistic secret rooms, an unspeakable
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  Speaker 1: act committed against the children in Frank's care. Frank was
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  Speaker 1: convicted and sentenced to multiple life terms in prison. But
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  Speaker 1: was this case as clear cut as it seemed? Well,
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  Speaker 1: As with many of the high profile daycare cases of
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, skepticism has grown over time. Some believe,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, the Country Walk case was a result
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  Speaker 1: of the infamous Satanic panic that gripped America, a time
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  Speaker 1: when fears of widespread Satanic ritually led to what some
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  Speaker 1: people claim are numerous wrongful convictions. Others point to the
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  Speaker 1: highly suggestive interview techniques used on the child witnesses, the
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  Speaker 1: lack of physical evidence, and the coercive tactics allegedly used
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  Speaker 1: by investigators to extract confessions. Was justice truly served here
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  Speaker 1: or was Frank Fuster the victim of a flawed legal
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  Speaker 1: system swept up in hysteria. I'm here to tell you
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  Speaker 1: that I do believe Frank Fuster is a monster and
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  Speaker 1: that he is exactly where he needs to be. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure by the end of this show you'll think
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  Speaker 1: the same way. Whether you believe that Frank Fuster was
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  Speaker 1: a monster who deserved his punishment or a scapegoat in
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  Speaker 1: a modern witch hunt. One thing is this case remains
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  Speaker 1: one of the most debated trials in American history. And
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  Speaker 1: I just want to warn you before we start here,
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  Speaker 1: A lot of this episode is going to be really
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  Speaker 1: disturbing because this information of the horrors surrounding the alleged
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  Speaker 1: country Walk case come from the mouths of the children
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  Speaker 1: who were involved in their testimonies, But we need to
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  Speaker 1: really start back from the beginning. Frank Fuster's background is
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  Speaker 1: crucial to understanding the complexities of the country Walk case.
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  Speaker 1: Before he became the center of one of the most
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  Speaker 1: infamous trials of the nineteen eighties, Frank had a checkered
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  Speaker 1: pass that played a significant role in how he was
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  Speaker 1: perceived by law enforcement and the public. Francisco Fusk Escalona,
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  Speaker 1: known as Frank Fuster, is a Cuban immigrant born on
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  Speaker 1: December tenth, nineteen forty eight, who later moved to America.
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  Speaker 1: While little is publicly known about his early childhood and
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  Speaker 1: family life, what is clear is that Frank had a
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  Speaker 1: history of legal troubles long before the country Walk allegations emerged.
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  Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty nine, he was convicted of manslaughter in
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  Speaker 1: New York after fatally shooting a man in what he
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  Speaker 1: claimed was self defense. He served time for the crime
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  Speaker 1: before relocating to Florida, where he attempted to rebuild his life.
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  Speaker 1: His criminal record, though, continued to haunt him. In the
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  Speaker 1: early nineteen eighties, Frank was convicted for lewd and lascivious
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  Speaker 1: on a miner in Florida. Though he served a relatively
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  Speaker 1: short sentence, this conviction raised eyebrows when he became a
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  Speaker 1: prime suspect of its allegations years later. Frank's second wife, Martha,
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  Speaker 1: who later gave birth to their son, described their marriage
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  Speaker 1: as rough. I was a child, she was quoted as saying,
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  Speaker 1: and he liked that. She stated that Frank liked being
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  Speaker 1: in control. He chose what clothing she wore, made her
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  Speaker 1: get rid of her friends, He deposited her paychecks and
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  Speaker 1: forebode her from driving. She also stated that he had
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  Speaker 1: a bad temper and at times physically, but she was
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  Speaker 1: brainwashed into thinking she deserved the punishment. Frank would pick
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  Speaker 1: fights with strangers and cause fights in the street. He
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  Speaker 1: always needed to prove himself. But despite his crimes and wrongdoings,
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  Speaker 1: Frank was described as someone who always believed that someone.
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  Speaker 2: Was out to get him.
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  Speaker 1: The nine year old girl that he was out to
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  Speaker 1: get him, the cops were out to get in him,
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  Speaker 1: the entire justice system, the world was out to get Frank.
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  Speaker 1: None of this was ever his fault. He was a
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  Speaker 1: true narcissist who blamed everybody but himself, and per court order,
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  Speaker 1: he attended extensive therapy sessions. By the mid nineteen eighties,
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  Speaker 1: Frank was released for of a miner and was living
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  Speaker 1: in Miami, Florida with his second wife, Eleana Fuster, a
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  Speaker 1: much younger woman whom he had reportedly met and married
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  Speaker 1: when she was still a teenager. Together, they operated the
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  Speaker 1: Country Walk Babysitting Service out of their home in the
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  Speaker 1: Country Walk Housing Development, a suburban community in Miami. The
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  Speaker 1: daycare was informal and operated without a proper license, but
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  Speaker 1: at the time this wasn't uncommon for small home based
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  Speaker 1: babysitting services. Dozens of parents in the neighborhood entrusted Frank
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  Speaker 1: and his wife with the care of their children, unaware
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  Speaker 1: of his criminal history. Now we're not necessarily starting this
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  Speaker 1: story off on a good note. Frank was convicted of
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  Speaker 1: murdering a man and also a child before he got
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  Speaker 1: into the babysitting business, so this was not a good guy.
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  Speaker 1: But on the outside, Frank presented himself as a response,
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  Speaker 1: consible caretaker, and there were initially no complaints against him
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  Speaker 1: until something disturbing allegedly happened at Jill Vickers's home in
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  Speaker 1: southwest Dade County in September of nineteen eighty four. Jill
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  Speaker 1: Vickers was the mother of Stephen, a three year old
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  Speaker 1: little boy who attended country Walk for babysitting. One night,
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  Speaker 1: while taking him out of the bathtub and wrapping him
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  Speaker 1: in a towel, Stephen said to his mother Jill, mommy
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  Speaker 1: kiss my body. Body is the word that Stephen used
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  Speaker 1: to reference his private parts. When asked who told him that,
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  Speaker 1: Stephen replied to his mother Iliana Ileana kisses all the
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  Speaker 1: baby's bodies, and Jill's heart sunk. She revisited the topic
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  Speaker 1: just a few minutes later, and then again an hour later. Stephen,
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  Speaker 1: her son barely a toddler three years old, laughed it
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  Speaker 1: off and ran off to play in denial. Jill chalked
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  Speaker 1: us up to a toddler telling tall tales, but later,
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  Speaker 1: Jill and her son Stephen, were sitting down one evening
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  Speaker 1: watching a show called Strong, Brave, and Free. The show
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  Speaker 1: was about and at one point Stephen started sitting up
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  Speaker 1: in his chair and naming his body parts. All of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, he jumped off the chair and ran into
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  Speaker 1: his toy room. He took his little piano and started
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  Speaker 1: angrily banging on it over and over. Jill asked him
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  Speaker 1: what was wrong, and he wouldn't answer. She then asked
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  Speaker 1: if something bad happened at Frank and Iliana's and if
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  Speaker 1: they had asked him to keep a secret. Stephen, the
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  Speaker 1: three year old, proceeded to tell his mother that Frank
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  Speaker 1: and Iliana hit him and locked him inside of their bedroom.
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  Speaker 1: Stephen was the first child whoo had set this case off.
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  Speaker 1: When Jill eventually called the Dade County child protection authorities
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty five, Frank and Iliana Fuster were arrested
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  Speaker 1: and charged with multiple counts of The allegations involved eventually
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  Speaker 1: more than twenty children who reported to the authorities being
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  Speaker 1: by both of the Fusters. Now, given Frank's criminal past,
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  Speaker 1: his fate was looking even more grim. After those allegations arose.
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  Speaker 1: Ilianna Flores Fuster was sentenced to ten years in prison
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  Speaker 1: after pleading guilty to twelve counts of and testifying against
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  Speaker 1: her husband. Unfortunately, though she only served about three of
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  Speaker 1: those years before being released and deported to the Dominican Republic.
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  Speaker 1: Her early release was likely due to factors such as
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  Speaker 1: plea agreements, cooperation with prosecutors, and potential considerations for time
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  Speaker 1: served while awaiting trial. The case was prosecuted by Janet Reno,
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  Speaker 1: who was the state attorney in Dade County at the time.
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  Speaker 1: During the height of her career, she began a battle
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  Speaker 1: against and became a well known advocate for child victims.
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  Speaker 1: She established the Miami method, which is a technique for
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  Speaker 1: obtaining intimate details from young children, allowing them to testify
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  Speaker 1: by closed circuit television and away from the intimidating presence
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  Speaker 1: of their suspected A lot of controversy surrounds this method,
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  Speaker 1: but it gives potential child victims, according to advocates, a
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  Speaker 1: safe space where they can recall their experiences in honesty
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  Speaker 1: without intimidation. Ileana Fuster initially denied any wrongdoing after being arrested. However,
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  Speaker 1: after extensive interviews, she confessed twelve counts of and testified
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  Speaker 1: against her own husband, accusing him of initiating many of
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  Speaker 1: the She later recanted her confession, claiming it was obtained
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  Speaker 1: under duress, but then she recanted her recantation before reversing
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  Speaker 1: her account again. So as you can see, she changed
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  Speaker 1: her stories a lot. When the trial finally arrived. The
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  Speaker 1: state of Florida had sixteen separate counts levied against Fuster.
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  Speaker 1: He was charged with eight counts of battery, seven lout
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  Speaker 1: and lascivious, and one charge of aggravated that incorporated a
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  Speaker 1: variety of acts committed on a total of twenty one
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  Speaker 1: children on numerous occasions. According to the prosecution, Frank had
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  Speaker 1: done a number of disturbing things to the kids. Besides
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  Speaker 1: the according to the testimony of the children, he had
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  Speaker 1: threatened the kids by wearing creepy masks, displaying scary weapons,
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  Speaker 1: and making verbal threats, playing games, which is what the
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  Speaker 1: kids called it, which consisted of dancing around naked children's
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  Speaker 1: private parts, defecating and urinating in front of an administering
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  Speaker 1: to the kids, confining them and locking them against their
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  Speaker 1: will in closets and bathrooms, and even forcing them to consume.
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  Speaker 1: These allegations are incredibly disturbing, and according to Florida's William's rule,
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution only needed to prove one element concerning any
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  Speaker 1: one child in order to get a conviction against him.
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  Speaker 1: The defense's argument was that none of the incidents reported
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  Speaker 1: happened at all, and that the victims were merely just
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  Speaker 1: talking about made up stories, not their real lives. He
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  Speaker 1: bashed the two individuals who interviewed all the victims, Joseph
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  Speaker 1: and Laurie Braga, stating that they were a couple of unlicensed,
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  Speaker 1: unpaid full time workers for the state attorney.
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  Speaker 2: He claimed that they.
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  Speaker 1: Had no business interviewing the victims since they weren't experienced,
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  Speaker 1: and said that the victims were interrogated by them repeatedly,
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  Speaker 1: not interviewed. But Laurie was a psychologist and Joseph was
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  Speaker 1: an educator, and they were indeed experienced in talking to
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  Speaker 1: children and had been doing so for years. Later, doctor
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Braga was finally able to defend himself and Laurie
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  Speaker 1: and their credentials. He explained in detail child development and
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  Speaker 1: their extensive knowledge on the topic. We'll get into more
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  Speaker 1: of their defenses later and why this world is so
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  Speaker 1: divided on the outcome of this case, but we need
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  Speaker 1: to shelve that for now. Contrary to most criminal trials,
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  Speaker 1: in a shocking move, Frank Fuster himself took the stand
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  Speaker 1: in his own trial. Of course, he denied everything and
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  Speaker 1: blamed the interviewers for coaching the kids and making the
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  Speaker 1: entire thing up, but despite having tested positive, he denied
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  Speaker 1: the fact that his own son had gone a rhea.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, his own son tested positive for gone rhea. Additionally,
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  Speaker 1: Frank stated that Country Walk Babysitting Service didn't even really exist,
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  Speaker 1: that it was just some made up name he gave
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  Speaker 1: for his wife watching a few kids in the home.
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  Speaker 1: He claims it was never an actual business, just a
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  Speaker 1: casual place where his wife baby sat from time to time.
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  Speaker 1: He even had the nerve to say he had never
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  Speaker 1: met any of the parents, including the ones that were
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  Speaker 1: in the courtroom. His entire testimony was absolutely unbelievable and
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  Speaker 1: completely obviously the parents all had a completely different view
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  Speaker 1: of what Frank had been doing, and he was just
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  Speaker 1: lying through his teeth trying to save his ass. Now
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get into what information we know about
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  Speaker 1: the testimonies of the child victims, which is the bulk
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  Speaker 1: of this story. Out of the twenty victims with reports
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  Speaker 1: of eight of them told their stories in support of
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution. In total, there were approximately fifty children who
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  Speaker 1: had been confirmed to have attended the Country Walk daycare,
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  Speaker 1: but the other remaining thirty or so parents simply didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to be involved in the criminal proceedings. It's unknown
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  Speaker 1: how many of those families had stories, how many allegations
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  Speaker 1: those children had made that will just never be known
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  Speaker 1: to this day. All the kids that were involved in
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  Speaker 1: the case, though except for one, gave recorded testimonies in
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  Speaker 1: the judges chambers that were shown to the courtroom during
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  Speaker 1: the trial so they would not have to face Frank
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  Speaker 1: Fuster himself while talking about what he had allegedly done
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  Speaker 1: to them. To conduct these interviews, investigators used the Miami
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  Speaker 1: method that was created by Janet Reno. The one victim
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  Speaker 1: to give testimony at the actual trial was Missy Herschel.
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  Speaker 1: The victim's stories before the trial began to unravel as
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: spontaneous disclosures started painting an additional, more disturbing story than
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: a clean cut tale of a working at a daycare.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: These kids would shout and talk about the blood sacrifices
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: and the rituals performed, including human waste. During the trial,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: the state itself called in an expert on Santa Ria,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: which is a religion known to perform rituals including prayers, offerings,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: and animal sacrifices to connect with and honor divine spirits.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: The expert had reviewed the children's interviews on the matter,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: and she concluded that although it was apparent that the
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: children had been subjected to some sort of belief system,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: the rituals they described were not characteristics of the Afro
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Cuban religion of Santa Ria that was public in southern Florida.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: This was a win for the prosecution, but unfortunately offered
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: no hope to the parents their children had been a
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: part of these rituals. These parents all believed that these
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: kids had been openly talking about it, including animal sacrifices,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: but it couldn't even be excused for religion because of
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: everything they had seen and unwillingly participated in. Many of
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: the children acquired unrealistic fears and bizarre including getting interested
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: in things that involved death and feces. But they were
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: just making all this up, right, Well, that's what people
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: will tell you, every single one of them. These children
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: was just completely lying and making this entire thing up.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: That's something that I've always struggled with with these cases. Now,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I understand the argument that investigators might be planting things
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: in children's minds, but there are a lot of these
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: cases when you deconstruct them, where kids were saying things
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: like this before the investigators really started pressing them. And
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know why kids would make this stuff up.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a whole thing with the organization I
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: can't remember what it's called, that essentially debunked investigators. They
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: were the ones that were called in to say, all
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: these investigators were pressing the kids. There's a whole thing
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: if you follow the money there, who was funding it,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: who was involved in its creation, the cases that the
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: founders were allegedly involved in. Can't remember the name of
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: the foundation that was going against the victims, but they
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: were essentially like a group of individuals that were coming
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: together to say, all these kids were making it up,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and there's some really disturbing stuff behind them themselves. So
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: in my mind, you can throw out everything that they've
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: said out the window. Everybody can have their own opinions,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: but I tend to believe victims, especially kids. Jason Harrison,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: one of the child victims, went into detail about something
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: that he called Iliana's hypnotizer. Apparently, according to young Jason,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Iliana would swing this hypnotizer back and forth and then
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: put it on the kid's toes because she claimed it
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: had energy Iliana claimed it had energy from something named
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Blackbeard and that it would cause people to come up
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: and get you from the toilet. When Jason told Frank
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: that Iliana had hypnotized them, Frank allegedly beat Illiana up
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: right in front of the children. According to Jason, Iliana
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: also told him that he has demons inside of him.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: She made him drink a quote slime that caused him
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to fall asleep and wake up with Iliana putting his
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: in her mouth. In other words, according to this young kid,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: she was from the children.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Jason went on.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: To say that they would make the children perform differences
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: with each other and make them to each other. Frank
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: and Iliana, while this was happening, would pour cold slime
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: onto them mixed with blood. Jason continued to graphically describe
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: thes that occurred in the home, and it's truly horrific.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Practically every horrible thing that you can think of happened
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: to these poor kids alone at the country walk. So
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: many of the kids were borderline brainwashed and scared, thinking
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: that they too would go to jail for the things
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: that they were made to do to each other. That
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: they had been silenced for a while. It was also
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: claimed that Ileana Fuster had their pet cat with that
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: hypnotizing object, and that satanic rituals were performed and recorded
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: on film. Missy Herschel, another victim, was the first person
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to be called to the stand during the trial. With
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: her mother's hand in hers on one side and her
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: stuffed sealed named Sandy in the other, Missy, almost six
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: years old at the time, made her way up to
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: the witness stand. Missy had already spoken with the judge before,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: just like the other children, so he could determine her
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: competency to testify, so she knew him and trusted him.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: The judge told her to not be afraid and to
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: just tell the truth immediately, she asked if she could
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. He keeps moving closer, Missy said
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: to her mother. He keeps moving with his chair. She
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: was looking right at Frank and was terrified of him.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: They assured her that the men in uniform were there
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: to protect her and that they were making sure that
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Frank could not do anything bad. But the girl was
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: visibly deeply terrified of Frank Fuster, so it's obvious that
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: this wasn't some illusion or something she had been told
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: to recite this fear was from the outside looking in
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: genuine and very pressing. When Missy returned from the bathroom,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the questioning began. They asked her about the bad things
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: that took place while she was at Frank and Ileana
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Fuster's home. Missy stated that they would play a game
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: called cut your Head Off, where Frank asked everyone if
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: they wanted cupcakes, and if he said yes, he would
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: put a knife to their neck. She also said that
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Frank would touch her in a bad way. Chad Herschel,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Missy's little brother, was next He at the time, was
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: only one week away from turning four. Since he was
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: incredibly young, he was asked a few questions, and he
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to be cross examined since he wasn't old
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: enough to know about or use any coping strategies. While
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: being question in that manner, Andy Pearson, three years old,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: sat on his dad's lap and stared downwards during his interview,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: not speaking. After this, in fear that the defense would
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: raise an appellet issue over the competency of the children,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: they decided not to call victims Joshua Harrison and Jeremy Martinez.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Two additional three years olds. The judge stipulated that they
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: could still testify to their names and ages, the jury
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: would still hear about them through photos and testimonies of
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the other children. Four year old Bonnie Martinez was then
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: led into the judges chambers for her testimony. When asked
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: where Frank Fuster had touched her at daycare, Bonnie lifted
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: her skirt to her red, white and blue sailor dress
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and pointed between her legs. During her testimony, Frank refused
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: to look at the television screen and decided to read
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: a religious pamphlet instead. Some people think he did this
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: because he felt extremely uncomfortable looking at and listening to
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Bonnie speak about what had happened to her, while others
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: think he had no interest in the testimony and that
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: no one else should have either, because it was.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: All a big lie. Either way, it's a weird.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Thing to do in the middle of someone's testimony at trial,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: especially the testimony of a child. Five year old Crystal
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Fletcher was next staring at Frank Fuster through the screen
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: with his head in his hands. Cristel was confused and
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: asked what he was doing before the trial. During the
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: investigation stage, Cristel's mother had some stories that all made
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: sense now. When picking Cristel up from the Country Walk
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: daycare one day, she asked how her child's day was,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and in response, Crystal told her mother that a big
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: boy scared her with a mask on and chased her around.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Maggie.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Cristel's mom shrugged it off and thought that Frank Fuster's
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: son was just horsing around. This was just some random
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: little daycare prank that he had played. But later on,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: when she opened up Crystal's lunchbox, she noticed that her
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: daughter's sippy cup hadn't been touched. Six days later, it
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: was still untouched. Cristel told her that she didn't drink
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: from it because she didn't want to, and that the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Fusters gave her water throughout the day. Another night, Crystals
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: broke out into a mysterious rash. Her mother chalked it
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: up to a heat rash and treated it with ointment.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Another day, Crystal showed her mother her finger where Ileana's
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: bird had bitten her. It was odd because Maggie didn't
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: know that they even had a pet bird and was
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: concerned that their pet could have been attacking the children.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: But later on Crystal's nightmares began. They were so bad
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: that Cristel began sleeping with her parents every single night,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: claiming that there were monsters out to get her. Crystal
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: started becoming extremely uncooperable and angry. She wouldn't eat, she
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: broke her toys, and she would often try to shove
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: her toys. Additionally, she developed the habit of French kissing,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: where she would place her hands on either side of
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the person's face, turn her head sideways, and try kissing
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the person with her mouth and tongue. Every time Maggie
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: picked Crystal up from the Country Walk daycare, it required
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: minutes of pounding and banging on the door before anyone
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: would finally come and answer. It was extremely hard to
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: get into contact with the Fusters at their own home,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: and this was something that Maggie had reported she had
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to do multiple times, and Maggie herself had never thought
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: much of Frank until one day, after minutes of knocking,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: he came to the door carrying her daughter Crystal in
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: his arms. Maggie was confused because Frank had just told
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: her weeks before starting the daycare that he wouldn't be
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: there since he works during the day. Now, Frank's presence
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: didn't disturb Maggie as much, but for some unknown reason,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: she later testified that she thought that something looked incredibly
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: wrong with the way that he was holding her daughter.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Once her regular babysitter returned, Crystal stopped attending the Country
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Walk daycare. The tantrums eventually went away, and the nightmare stopped.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: The phase she thought Crystal was going through was slowly
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: forgotten about until she received a phone call two months
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: later from another Country Walk mother breaking the news to
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: her about the fusters. So that's all bizarre, and that's
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: the stuff that really gets me all the time. In
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: these cases, these parents themselves are seeing these things with
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: their children. They're noticing physical symptoms, the behavioral changes in
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: their kids, they're noticing the nightmares, their kids become different people.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: We see this in so many of these cases. So
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: unless every single person associated with this entire case is
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: just lying, I don't know how you couldn't believe these parents,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: especially when the guy himself has a criminal history and
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: you know they admit to it and whatnot. It's just
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: so strange. Then there's April Lancaster. April Lancaster had been
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: through a number of different therapists Throughout the previous year.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: She had discussed the Fusters predominantly with a pencil and
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: paper and drew out an outline of the human body
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and placed an X at the places where Frank liked
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: to touch her. April's parents had already warned that she
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: refused to talk to any men about the situation because
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: it made her uncomfortable. She was now afraid of every
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: man on earth besides her father because of what she
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: had reportedly gone through. Because of this, April's parents recruited
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a female prosecutor to walk her through her testimony. According
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: to April and some of the other kids, April was
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: quote Frank's favorite before the trial. When the children were interviewed,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Laurie Bragas said that April was one of the most
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: distressed children she had ever seen in her whole career.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: She had watched April regress to immature behavior when certain
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: buttons were pushed that opened certain memories that were stored
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: inside of her head. It seemed as though April had
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: suffered a brunt of the country walk daycare. There's also
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: two year old Brendan Price, who lived next door to
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the Fusters. Another child who fell victim to these monsters.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Brendan's mother, Judy, had only used their daycare services once,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: but Brendan saw them frequently as he would play with
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the other kids when they were outside. So on the
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: day that Judy actually brought Brendan to their daycare to
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: watch him, she dropped him off, and at the end
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: of the day, when she returned to pick up Brandon,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: she noticed that he was standing by the front door,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: hugging his pillow, sobbing crying. Now, the Fusters told Judy
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: that Brandon was just afraid of the big ceramic leopard
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: that they had at the front of their home, But
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: when the news poured out about the Fuster's Judy froze
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Brendan had only been there alone one time right well,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: She knew Brandon was too young to know what a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: secret was or to keep one, so she assured herself
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: that nothing bad had happened to him while he was there.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: But until Brendan got a little older and he started
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: telling stories to his mother, at one point he casually
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: described to her what a bird sounds like. When Frank,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Brendan told his mother that there was a camera with
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: a gun that sat on top of it at their house,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: and that he knew what it was like to have
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Ileana's finger and Frank's inside of his Judy was absolutely floored, disturbed,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and shocked by what she was hearing coming from her
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: own son's mouth, and as she realized what had happened
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: to her little boy, she told the authority is she
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: immediately had to run to the toilet ill and she
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: threw up all over the place because of what she
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: had just learned. So after Brendan told his mom all
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: this stuff, he was brought into the authorities and put
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: into touch with the Bragas, the professionals who were assigned
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: to interview the children in this case. But Brendan claimed
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that he only wanted to talk about this stuff to
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: his own parents. According to the Brogus, this was a
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: normal part of childhood trauma. It was common for victims
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to feel the need to get it out of their
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: system once they felt comfortable in talking about it. But
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: still none of this made it any easier for the parents.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: At times, Brendan would go through episodes of panic where
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: he thought his mom was Illiana and he was absolutely
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: terrified of her. He would scream uncontrollably for his father
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and fear that his mother was going to punish him
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: by sticking her finger. Shortly afterwards, Judy immediately made appointments
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: with the child therapist. Things were just growing worse by
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the day. But we also have to talk about Jason Harrison.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: On the way to the courthouse, Jason Harrison asked his mother, what.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: If they don't believe me?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: She responded, the people who know you believe you, and
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: that's all that matters. As the last victim that the
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: state would call, Jason walked into the judge's chambers ready
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: to tell his story. He recalled the bad games they
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: would play at country Walk, which entailed sucking on in
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: the same information the other children had told. A side note,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: these children's stories always matched. Everybody was talking about the
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: same thing. All these kids were talking about the same things.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: And these were incredibly young kids who, Yeah, if you
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: spent you know, days, weeks, months coaching them, you could
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: get some of the same information imprinted in them. But
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, when you have kids who are so
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: unbelievably innocent just casually talking about the exact same events
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: and sorts of events, that gives a story validity.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: But back to Jason.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: When Jason was asked what he would do if someone
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: rang the doorbell to the Country Walk daycare, he said
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: that they were forced to run into the back room
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: and dress up quickly while playing the song Thriller by
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. He also revealed in court that on different
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: occasions he had seen Ileana play with his brothers. Jason
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: went on to tell the court room about the babies
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: that were watched over at Country Walk. When asked what
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: he knew about the babies, Jason stated that the Fusters
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: would go to the bathroom for them to watch their games.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: We're talking about defecating and urinating on front of in front.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Of other children.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Jason stated that the Fusters also forced the other children
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: to use the bathroom. On top, he stated that Frank
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: frequently wore masks, turned off the lights, and scared everybody
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: by telling them that devils came out of the toilet
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: every time it was flushed. There were some extremely disturbing
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: things happening inside this home. And this isn't the first
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: time we've heard of rituals like this. Just as another example,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: take a look at the case that I covered on
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the show about the True Detective Story that happened in Louisiana,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the true story behind True Detective the Hosanna Church. They
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: were also using feces and the cult members in that case,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I believe don't quote me on this, but admitted to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: it or people had seen it, you know, and the
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: feces was a big thing there. Jason also testified about
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: the tapes that Frank Fuster had recorded and made and
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the photos that the couple had taken of the children
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: during the rituals and during the A lot of skeptics, though,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: who believed that the Fuster's cases one big hoax, claimed
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: that there's no physical evidence, which actually is false. The
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: main piece of physical evidence came from Frank and his
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: second wife, Martha's son Jamie, who lived at the time
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: with Frank and Iliana. He too had suffered at the
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: hands of his father and his stepmother, and when Jamie
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: was eventually brought in and tested at the treatment center,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: he tested positive for gonorrhea of the throat, which is
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: an STD caused by unprotected oral sex with an infected person.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: As it turned out, his own father, Frank, had been
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: seeing him and had even given him a transmitted disease.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Jamie even admitted to his mother that quote, all the
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: other kids saw daddy put his in my mouth end quote. Additionally,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Crystal Fletcher and Chad Herschel were taken to the treatment
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: center and had demonstrated explicit with dolls, both of them
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: in separate rooms, told the counselors there that the always
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: took place on the floor. The people there at the
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: treatment center had performed physical examinations on both children, which
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: revealed a sore in Chad and a non specific abnormality
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: in Crystals. Though this wasn't a smoking gun for the prosecution,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: it was still something that was never fully explained and skeptics,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you can explain all this. Maybe
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: one injury is strange, you know, but it's not a
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: lot to chalk up to. But when you have a
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: kid with an kid with a sore in it, and
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: a girl with obvious problems along with all the other
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: stuff in this case, a pattern really starts to emerge
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: that we see. After Frank Fuster was arrested, a search
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: warrant was conducted on the home that night. The only
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: things that they found, though, that were worth seizing, were
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: apparently a handful of family photos, rolls of undeveloped film,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: a few magazines, a small bag of marijuana, a leather thumbcuff,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: and a wooden crucifix found under the mattress in Frank
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: and Ileana's bedroom. This wasn't much of anything. So why
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: weren't the ritual devices? Where were the masks? Where were
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: all these.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Things that they were doing? Why was it clean?
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Where was you know, the blood and the corpses of
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: animals and the bones and all this stuff that these
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: kids were testifying about. That's obvious proof that this never happened, right, Well,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: not so much. The detective at the time actually stated
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that he suspected everything had been removed the day before
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Frank surrendered. When Judy Prince, one of the victims mothers
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, testified that she had seen Frank
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: loading up a large white van with cardboard boxes and
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: driving away. When she called the police to tell them
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: what had just happened, they didn't follow up. They didn't
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: even come over to check what happened. It's likely that
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: every single piece of evidence that was in the home,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: including those films of Frank and Ileana performing those rituals
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: and ritualistically those children, was driven away that night and
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: would never be seen again. So, I mean, that's really strange. Right,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the day before he surrenders to the police, there's a
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: known thing that's going on. The heat is on on
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Frank and Ileana. They know that that's coming. He loads
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: up a white van full of cardboard boxes and drives
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: it away and it looks so suspicious that one of
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the victim's mothers actually calls the police to tell them
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: that they think that he just disposed, you know, potentially
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: of evidence. They don't even try to look into it.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: This is weirdly enough. Now connecting all these different stories, now,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: we got to go to a Brassics in Belgium. If
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: you guys remember that episode with Mark de True. Abrassiks
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: was another satanic cult that was heavily involved in allegedly
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: of children. And there's multiple members of a Brastics that
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: were accused to have been predators. And I talked about
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: that in my video about them and just did a
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: deep dive into like all that they had done and
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: these police files that they never revealed. The whole thing
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: is crazy. And yeah, with the Abrastiks thing, they also
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: had allegedly been tipped off and there were witnesses that
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: actually saw the Ebrassks people loading stuff into once again
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: a van and driving off. The day before the police
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: raided their headquarters and there was like an insane amount
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: of cops that took part in that whole thing. I
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: think it was like ninety cops or something like that,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: something absolutely absurd. And the day before there were people
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: who testified seeing the obrastis members of that cult loading
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: into a van and driving off, And it's the same thing.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: They didn't really find anything when the police came, but
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, I mean, you're not going to find anything
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: if someone's already been given the time to get rid
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: of everything. But at the end of the day, after
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: seven weeks of trial, Frank Fuster was found guilty on
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: all charges and received six consecutive life terms, totally a
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: minimum of one hundred and sixty five years in prison.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Frank has consistently maintained his innocence, of course, and has
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: pursued multiple appeals and requests for clemency, which have all
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: been unsuccessful. He has not had an attorney since two
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: thousand and three and still sits in prison today. Frank
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: has been attacked five times in prison, most seriously, when
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: a fellow prisoner stabbed him in the neck. Now this
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: is interesting, right for all the skeptics of this case.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: In twenty twelve, the Innocence Project agreed to take a
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: look at Frank Fuster's case. The Innocent Project they take
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: a look at wrongful convictions and they try to get
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: people out of prison. They've done a lot of really
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: good work and saved a lot of lives. I really
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: appreciate that organization. But they took a look at Frank's
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: case and they decline to take it on. They reviewed
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: all the evidence and they thought, you know, allegedly, according
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: to how I interpret this, he's really not innocent. And
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: they provided no further explanation as to why they decided
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: to not take the case. I can only speculate that
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: they decided not to take his case because of the
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: nature of the crimes and the evidence that existed against him.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Pretty impossible to prove that Frank Fuster is an innocent man.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Yet there are still people out there who believe that
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: he is. There's even a website called Free Frank Fuster,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: which is dedicated to proving his innocence and for those
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: skeptics out there. We do have to analyze all of
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: this stuff from a skeptical perspective and see the other
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: side of the coin. The first main reason this case
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: remains controversial is the daycare hysteria that took place during
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: this time. That hysteria refers to a series of highly
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: publicized cases in the nineteen eighties and early nineteen nineties
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: in the United States and other countries. These cases were
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: characterized by mass allegations, supposedly flawed investigative techniques, moral panic,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: and all other sorts of factors which led to wrongful
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: convictions and widespread fear.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: It's thought that.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: The jury of this case where leavers of the hysteria,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: which contributed to their guilty verdict, or at least that's
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: what skeptics claim. Many cases involved claims that multiple children
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: were by daycare workers, often in ritualistic or supposedly satanic ways.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Accusations frequently involved bizarre, implausible seeming stories, including underground tunnels,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: flying witches, and animal sacrifices. It's believed that investigators, therapists,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and social workers used leading questions and suggestive techniques that
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: pressured kids into making false statements. It is true that
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: sometimes children were rewarded for saying what interviewers wanted to hear,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: and they were punished for denying. The people were aware
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: of all the other daycare cases that had been overturned
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties, and still to this day believe
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: this should have been one of them. If you listen
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: to and watch a lot of true crime programs, you've
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: heard the words Satanic panic. The Satanic Panic was a
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: widespread moral panic that occurred in the nineteen eighties and
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: early nineteen nineties, primarily.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: In the US.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: It was fueled by fear of Satanic cults allegedly committing
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: ritual childs and other crime. Despite what skeptics claim is
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a lack of credible evidence, the panic did indeed lead
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: to some wrongful convictions. Obviously, I don't agree with some
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: of the things that happened during the Satanic Panic, like
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: rock and roll, Dungeons and Dragons, metal music.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: That's all stupid.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Obviously, I'm a total you know, religious freedom guy. You
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: can believe in whatever you want to as long as
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt anybody. But like I said at the
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: beginning of the show, there's always bad apples. Just think
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: about the Catholic Church or some of the evangelical pastors
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: in the past few months that we've been learning about
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: that have an interest in children. Same for Satanists. It's
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: not like because you're a member of one religious group,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: you're automatically excused from any criticism. So yeah, that's just
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: my take. Those who think Frank Fuster was wrongfully accused
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: and convicted believe that the jury was also giving in
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: to the Satanic panic hysteria, therefore clouding their judgment, and
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: in other daycare cases at the time that were a
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: part of this hysteria, some workers were convicted with little
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: to no physical evidence. Other cases include the McMartin preschool case,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the Little Rascals daycare case, and many more. Defendants received
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: angty prison sentences in these cases before their convictions were
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: later overturned, and skeptics believe Frank Fuster should get the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: same release. Now you can debate mc martin. I have
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: my own beliefs with mc martin and the Little Rascals.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can go back and try to decode
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: these things, and obviously people are just always going to
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: have different views. I believe kids and I think instead
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: of looking at it from a broad perspective when you
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: actually look at these stories like we have here. These
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: are kids that started saying these things to their parents
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: before they were being you know, coached by investigators, if
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: you want to even say that the investigators were coaching kids,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: which I believe wasn't as big of a problem as
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: they've made it out to be. So these parents were
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: the ones talking to authorities saying, oh, my kid developed
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: this rash on his private part, and he was telling
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: me about this and that, and then another parent comes
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: in and says this another parent. So it's not just
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: like they're bringing kids into a room, like let's say
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: one allegations made and then they bring a kid into
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: a room and say, so you were ritually correct. It's
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: more like there's a whole case that's building and then
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: kids get brought in. So that's why I think that argument,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: in my mind, personally doesn't hold water. And especially when
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: you got a guy like Frank Fuster who's already been
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: convicted of murdering someone andting a kid, How the fuck
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: can you think this guy's innocent, just like the convictions
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: that were overturned. Though it's been alleged that Frank Fuster's
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: case did not provide any physical evidence after the deep
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: dive we just took, though I beg to differ aside
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: from his own sun testing positive for gonorrhea of the
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: throat after a handful of kids stated that they saw Frank,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Jamie and others. There were also the other physical ailments
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: that were found on the other two children that were
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: treated at the treatment center. Also, not all kids who
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: are have evidence on them, especially if they're being through
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: oral means or if it's been a while since they've
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: been victimized. A lot of people also find it troubling
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: that the photos and videos that the kids reported were
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: being taken were never found. But we know for a
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: fact that Frank Muster, according to a witness, was seen
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: removing an entire van load full of boxes from his
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: home the day before he turned himself into the police.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: It's not like the police came and arrested him out
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: of nowhere. He knew what was happening, and he just
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: the day before he turns himself in, he takes the
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: whole day to clean his house and then load a
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: bunch of stuff into his van and take it somewhere.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, seems pretty obvious to me that those photos
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: and videos, along with who knows what else, masks, animal corpses, bones, whatever,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: those things were all in those boxes, and the final
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: pieces of evidence, and the most compelling evidence of all
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: in this entire case, were the children themselves, the small,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: innocent children victims who ranged from just two to six
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: years old and were horrifically in a place where they
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: were supposed to feel safe and cared for. The things
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: that those children were talking about absolutely, in my mind
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: could not have been made up, because there were things
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: no kid would ever have known existed if they hadn't
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: experienced it themselves. Now, you can make the argument that
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: some elements of some of these stories, investigators were asking
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: leading questions, you know, and they were doing all this.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: But I'm talking also when I look at these cases,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: specifically parents who are talking about what their kids said
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: to them before they brought them to the police, before
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: when they picked them up from daycare and they said
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: someone chased me around with a mask, or telling their
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: parents about them, you know, being touched and these weird
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: things they saw. All of that stuff A kid would
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: just not make that up, let alone all these kids.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: And then when you get really down to it, to
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the nitty gritty. That's why I think it's weird all
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: these different kids talking about the same sorts of events
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: and supposed rituals that are being you know, conducted, that
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: they're being forced to participate in these group happening at
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: these different daycare centers across the United States that have
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: no connection to each other. That's where it gets really
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: unbelievably strange to me, because they're just clusters of the
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: exact same thing that, according to skeptics, not one child
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: was throughout, which is just a really hard pill to swallow,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: especially in a case like this where the guy's already
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: been convicted of murder and praying on a child.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: And aside from all that, all.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: The kids who were interviewed, all their stories corroborated each other.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: All these kids were saying the same things were happening,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: that the same people were doing the same things, They
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: saw the same objects, they were locked in the same rooms.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: They had seen the same kids having things done to
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: them and the defecating and urinating. So it was like
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: all these stories of these kids, these complex stories lined up,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: and these are actual at times babies that we're talking
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: about here. Toddlers and kindergarten age children. Their brains weren't
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: at the time developed enough to really know what a
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: lot of the stuff they were talking about even meant,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: and they definitely weren't developed enough to completely fabricate these
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: detailed incidents.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: For what reason.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Why would all these kids make all this stuff up?
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: That's what's always confused me too. Why would these children
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: in the first place make this up? If there's smoke,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: there's fire, kids aren't just gonna start having a massed
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: illusion about Satanic ritual and then all of a sudden,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: all this just stops happening after these cases get big.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I mean it does. It makes no sense to me.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: It's almost as if people started going public with this stuff,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: and these people were starting these experiments or rituals, or
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: maybe it was government funded, you know so or study,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: or maybe these were really just sick people that were
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: influenced by this stuff. At the time, there was a
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: huge wave of the cases, and then it just kind
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: of goes back down to zero, almost as if the
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: heat was too much, so they decided to figure out
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: new ways to victimize victims. The interviewers in these cases
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: made sure that it was known during the trial that
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: their questions also were not leading questions. They explained in
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: very good detail the difference between a leading question and
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: a regular question to the jury, and they swore under
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: oath that everything that the children had to say that
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: the children told them was of their own experiences and
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: not because they had been told or coached on what
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: to say. In two thousand and two, Iliana and their
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: son Noel were interviewed by Frontline claiming Frank Fuster's innocence.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Iliana claims that everything she said about her husband during
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: the trial was completely false. Frank's son also claims that
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: his dad was a wonderful parent and that nothing about
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: this case is true.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: So why would they defend him?
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Are they embarrassed to have been involved? I mean, I
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: can't speak for them, so I don't know. All I
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: know is that Ileana is a very unreliable source as
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: we know, and the parents and children, according to Jamie,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: are angry with him for defending Frank, just like his father.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: He blames everyone else who was out to get his
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: father instead of the monster himself. And for those of
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: you saying they claim that he was innocent, how about
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: people like BTK right BTK had a whole wife and kids,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: and he was a sadistic, twisted serial killer. There's tons
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: of serial killers who have whole families that they're never
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: suspected of being anything other than a loving family man.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, even like how many serial predators there are
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: out there. I mean, if you ask a robber, like,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: let's say a guy robs a bank. Ten months later,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: you come up to him and ask him, hey, did
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: you rob that bank, He's not gonna say I rob
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: the bank. He's gonna say no, I didn't.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Duh.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: If his wife's enjoying the money too, she's gonna say no,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: he never robbed the bank. That just never happened. So yeah,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: that's just my whole theory. Now, it's true that coerce
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: testimonies and false confessions do happen. That's the thing I
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: was thinking about false memory. I think it's the false
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: memory foundation where they claim to have all this scientific
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: evidence and you know, theory and backing as to why
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: these kids are remembering these false memories. But it's all
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: you can look that up on your own. It's a
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: whole rabbit hole that I want to get into one
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: day on the show because it's crazy. It's not like
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: a little thing that I'm telling you, Oh there, it
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't really make sense. It's like when you read through it,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: these experts that they called in to debunk stuff were
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: crocs of and sometimes predators themselves. And it's true though
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: that false confessions do happen, but I'm not seeing it here.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: The recollections provided by these child victims were so grotesque,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: so vile, that no daycare age child would even imagine
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: these things in their own head, in my opinion, and
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: as always, my heart goes out to any victim possibly
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: involved in this case. It's interesting too, with a lot
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: of these stories, you know, they happen, people tend to
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: kind of move on, but you never really see kids
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: that were involved in these cases come out in the
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: media later on and say I was making all this
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: up and this was all a lot of these kids
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: stick to their stories, and I've seen them, you know,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: talk about things that they experienced when they were younger,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: and they grow up to become advocates, but people just
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: ignore them. And I think genuinely that the idea of
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: like Satanism being involved in this turns some people off
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: because they quickly want to say it's a Satanic panic.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: But also, if you think about it, if somebody like
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: let's say the United States government or somebody else decided
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: to introduce the Satanic angle in order to make it
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: so that you couldn't question any of it, I don't
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: know that would be that would be pretty interesting, right,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: because really, when you think about it, anytime you bring
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: up mc martin any of these preschools, it's like, h
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Satanic panic, that's all it was. But that's so broad.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: It doesn't involve most people actually looking at the stories
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: like we did here, reading the testimonies, seeing the parents
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: and the children and what they said. Before making their judgment.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: It's just this broad thing like, oh, that was a
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Satanic panic thing. They're just innocent, you know. I don't
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: want to believe it, and I agree, you know, the
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Satanic panic was real. But in my opinion, and keep
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: in mind, this is my opinion just after researching all
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: this stuff, I think that satanic panic partly was introduced
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: or at least played up, and they added, you know,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: blue wind or however you'd say that under the fire
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: to really get it to swell up by elements of
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  Speaker 1: the US government. Because you look at some stories, even
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  Speaker 1: like the presidio that's the United States government. It's on
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  Speaker 1: the US Army base, seventy plus children being there. The
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  Speaker 1: guy who's allegedly doing it as a US Army psyop guy,
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  Speaker 1: it's confirmed he was working on psychological I can't remember
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  Speaker 1: the term psychological operations, like psychological warfare. Essentially, he's an
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  Speaker 1: actual member of the Temple of Set, a Satanic sect,
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  Speaker 1: and all those kids are saying the same things as
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  Speaker 1: all these other people. So it's obvious right there in
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  Speaker 1: that case that the US Army and all that they
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  Speaker 1: knew the power of what that was and how they
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  Speaker 1: could use it to get it shut down. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying the US Army was involved. Oh my camera
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  Speaker 1: just died. Well anyways, y'all, I'm at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the episode. I'm just gonna end it here. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: guys for watching. Mike you Evers Dead. If you're listening
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  Speaker 1: Thank you all for watching. Always question everything, keep that
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  Speaker 1: tenfoil I had on, Stay suspicious, and I'll see y'all
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  Speaker 1: next week.