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Stefano Benatti | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #48 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian Reef
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  podcast. Today's guest is a mr.
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  Stefano bonetti. He's a podcaster and web
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  developer all the way from Italy.
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  Welcome to the show. How you doing stuff on it.
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  How Christian thanks for having me also is pronounced with
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  Stefano but no, don't worry. Yeah, don't worry because
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  there's not a single English native speaker pronounce my name
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  correctly. Stephen.
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  Yeah, you said it? Podcaster.
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  I've met a lot of people and everyone gets it wrong.
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  So It's Tricky for me because I do know some other European
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  languages but I never know how to approach certain languages if
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  you know what I mean. Because like normally I would
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  say it differently but with the English pronunciation, it's yes.
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  Yeah. You get a sense of anyway.
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  Okay. Stephen.
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  Oh, there we go. Got it, right?
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  Yeah. Let's get straight into it, man.
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  You're the host of your own podcast.
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  It's called the cappuccino at six podcast.
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  Tell us more about this podcast. What do you normally discuss in
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  there and we'll type of guests? Do you normally have?
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  Okay, it all started with the NAD on a site by just a random
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  guy who was looking for a co-host for to launch a podcast.
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  And I didn't do any of this before I like to listening to
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  podcast and and I wanted to try something.
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  So I saw A chance to get into this world answered the the
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  announcement video ad. And then we started writing down
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  some stuff in. That was back in August and in
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  October we were on air. We don't focus on a topic and
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  let's say It's Kind it's quite guessed based in depending on
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  what the guest does especially when you start from zero.
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  That you cannot really rely on, you know, many sources to find
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  your guest. So just came up with this idea.
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  Actually at the beginning we were so we were trying to make
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  episodes just in Italian. Scripted episode with the topic
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  but that took way too much time and also I said I can speak
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  English in a decent way. I could try to interview some
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  International guests and now since we started we already have
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  thing, 13 or 14 episodes. Most of them are in English and
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  some of them are in Italian scripted.
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  So is that like I guess because you have it on YouTube, so is
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  that with like subtitles in Italian?
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  Is that what you mean? No, actually not.
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  It's more for an international audience and then if you're if
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  you understand Italian, you can understand also be Italian
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  episode Bono also, okay? So I've misunderstood you do
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  Italian version as well as the English version.
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  They are different episodes. The, the Italian word, Italian
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  episodes are about scripted things, we that come to our
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  minds. And the last one was about the
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  meta phony, which is basically the voices from of the ghost.
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  Okay, cool. And whereas the English episodes
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  are, as I said, guessed based, okay?
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  Oh, I see, I see. Yeah, I get what you mean.
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  So with with the Italian ones as well as the topics in general.
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  Do they more kind of targeted to what people from Italy would you
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  know, like like more specific to the culture of Italy?
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  Or are they just just generic kind of topics?
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  Yeah, really generic needs. We are trying to evolve.
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  We're trying to experiment a lot.
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  We're trying to find a way. And in my opinion, the best way
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  to find our way is to try whatever.
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  We want then. Maybe we'll focus on something
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  specific but right now, it's just a way to have fun.
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  Now, spare time in my spare time since I have a job.
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  So it's, it's just it's pure fun.
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  Maybe it's I like doing it and as long as I have fun doing it,
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  very good. Yeah, I couldn't agree more with
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  you, especially when you were talking about how sometimes it's
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  very difficult to find information on guests.
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  I've So had this problem sometimes and when I get, I've
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  had that kind of situation where you're about to do it and you're
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  like, ha, I really don't have a lot to ask them and it's like, I
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  really hope that they're just full of energy and like really
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  easy to talk to but you never know.
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  Some people are, are very easy to talk to and the conversation
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  kind of revolves naturally with other people you have to, you
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  know, excuse me. You have to like poke them with
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  a stick a little bit and be like, hey, what about this?
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  Hello. By the way, I'm one of those,
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  get those guests and one of those people.
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  Yeah, that's fine. I mean, to me it's a combination
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  of different things. It's like, like me for instance,
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  as a host of this podcast is my kind of responsibility to make
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  the guests, feel comfortable and through that.
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  That's how you get the better conversation and stuff.
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  I feel. But I suppose as another thing
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  about this as well, which I haven't really spoken about on
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  the podcast. Before.
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  But in is very important, is how you what kind of time you give
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  to your guests and whether or not you kind of lead the
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  conversation or if you just guide it, if you know what I
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  mean. So I've been on other people's
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  podcasts where, you know, I come on and they just let me talk at
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  will and it's great. Or I've been on some podcasts
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  where they're, you know, I'll be starting to speak and then they
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  might cut me off Midway, or they just want to Short answer and
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  it's like it's different, it's a different way to do it but I
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  find those kind of frustrating because especially if you're
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  trying to tell a story and you're being told like, hey, you
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  know, Quicken it up or you know, less is more kind of thing and
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  it's like everyone everyone's different but I found it
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  basically. My point is it's better if it's
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  more open-ended and you are there to listen to your guests
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  rather than you talk and then they Little bit, you know?
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  Yeah, well, I imagine that I don't know if I'm your first
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  Italian guests, but I imagine you'll have quite some questions
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  to ask about about my country, about our culture, so we're
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  good. Yeah, that was what I was hoping
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  for because it's then I can go quite free-flowing mean.
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  Oh yeah. Okay.
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  So your how you would say very knowledged on your own country.
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  I get that for me. There's so much talk about
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  weight. I mean, it's a good point though
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  because not everyone is fully clued up on their own countries.
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  You know like I remember when I started living abroad and
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  visiting other countries and living abroad, I started to
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  think about like oh hey I really barely know my own country, you
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  know, like I know the basics, I know the culture and stuff but
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  like for example, the place that I moved to here, I'm originally
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  from London and by moved up north to Manchester and I'm
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  discovering All of these like really interesting historical
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  facts about this place, links with other countries.
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  All this interesting stuff that you wouldn't know unless you
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  kind of dove in and explored the history of a place, you know.
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  And I feel like even if you live in a country your entire life
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  and you're from that, you might never really know the history of
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  the country or you know what it has to offer.
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  What's available, you know what I mean?
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  Like, it's absolutely. Absolutely, I moved.
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  I moved as well. I moved from Lombardi.
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  She's in the north of Italy moved.
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  Not too much self of it, 40 kilometers that 30 miles.
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  I guess, where I work where I live, and my girlfriend is from
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  another part of Italy, as well from up in the north more than I
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  was. So whenever we get to visit The
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  variance is all always say trip across all Northern Italy and
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  differences here as well in our little towns and I get what you
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  said. Also I believe that in
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  Manchester they speak different English.
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  Yeah. They had a harsh accent.
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  Am I right? Yeah, that there is a harsh
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  accent. Yeah, you're right.
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  But I don't know. I'm pretty used to it.
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  I think the only time I've ever struggled with someone's and was
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  I was a couple years ago, I was in Edinburgh for a couple of
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  months, in Scotland. And I remember going to like a
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  local shop and I tried my very best to.
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  It was just a Sainsbury's, like a normal shop, like you go
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  there, you get your food, whatever, right?
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  But I would just sit there or stand and I'd listen to this
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  woman politely and ask her questions.
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  And she starts speaking and I was like, what was that?
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  And then again and then again, and then eventually it gets Quit
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  and you just not in like, aha, but you have no idea what the
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  person is saying. No bad joke that was about, was
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  this joke, circling around about the Scottish accent the
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  military, there's a captain talking to soldiers and he see a
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  new Soldier and goes Soldier, you come here to die, and it's
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  all your hands. And I come here, you bastard.
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  I because he was Scottish. So that's, that's what I learned
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  about. The Scottish accent, I like to
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  Focus on that English language. It's funny it's amazing just
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  into me as well. How how the Accents in England?
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  All vary so vastly different from place to place because I
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  haven't found that to be the case in other countries all the
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  time, you know, like you normally there's a bit of a
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  difference between north and south and stuff like that, but
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  it's never like two different in the the only difference tends to
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  be more in Certain words, certain dialect.
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  It might be pronounced slightly differently or maybe different
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  words or use, but basically it's the same language, right?
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  But in England, not the case here, okay?
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  But it's interesting am again with you, but you just said, so
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  was it in Italy? Is it just?
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  Everyone is spoken the same everywhere.
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  Is that the deal? Absolutely.
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  Not because he's a little, he's a young country.
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  You know, we are 159 years old. I am Italy was unified in 1861.
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  And before that it was a whole lot of different kingdoms and
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  and Nations and everywhere you go there's a different dialect,
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  the different language for instance.
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  Also some languages are recognized as proper language is
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  not even Italian dialects. My grandma doesn't speak any
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  Italian. She speaks the mountain dialect.
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  The direct from the city of Mantua.
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  Interesting. Yeah, and my girlfriend doesn't
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  get any what she said. Then my other Grandma speaks
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  another dialect which is completely different even though
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  they're not too far away from each other.
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  Because it's another region. It's another part of Italy that
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  must make it really difficult to try and communicate with some of
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  your family. General.
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  Mainly with the with the elderly it's it can get difficult
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  difficult but Italian basically is a an evolution of the
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  Florence dialect the Florentine dialect.
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  And if you say Florentine from Florence from Tuscany with Dante
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  Alighieri, Famous songwriter from the 13th century, Fair
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  recall correctly and that's the standard Italian.
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  If you go to Florence you are as close as standard Italian, when
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  you talk to people but all around the country too many too
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  many dialects to list to be honest.
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  Wow, something I didn't know before.
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  So that's interesting. Thanks for sharing and as far as
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  like, the country itself is concerned Where would you say is
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  the best place to visit around the country or a?
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  Where's your favorite place? I'm a little biased on this
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  because I didn't visit the South as much as I wanted to.
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  Okay, so I'm only speaking for the North and Central Italy
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  right now because the south is beautiful the South as one of
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  the best seaside's. You you can find anywhere even
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  comparing to the Caribbeans, the I don't see that many
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  differences, okay? In some in some places and I
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  really mean it also the Full citizens.
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  There's Pompeii you know, Maples but I'm not focusing on Southern
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  Italy because I don't know southern Italy that much are you
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  don't want to miss any information about that.
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  For sure Florence and Venice at the places.
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  You must go there. If you would love to go to
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  Italy. Oh my God.
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  It's the I mean it just your listing off those the names of
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  all those places there. It's reminding me.
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  Like oh yeah damn like there's so many different parts of the
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  country to visit that all have like Rich history and
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  difference. So greatly you know, obviously
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  with Venice being the city that's completely water-based
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  which is pretty He got them caught, think amazingly these
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  unique? Yeah, I can't think of many
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  places in the world like that. If at all, to be honest, some
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  people see Amsterdam, he's kind of like Venice but I can kind of
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  see the and Amsterdam is quite a modern city.
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  It has his own architecture. It's beautiful I visited once
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  just for one day but it is but then he says something
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  different. It's yeah.
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  It didn't find any anything like that in my Journeys.
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  I would say though that Milan is quite overrated.
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  Now many people will hate me, but it's not just because just
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  because be land is your regular big European city with its
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  Landscapes and statues and museums.
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  But doesn't feel like it's something, typically Italian.
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  You know what I mean? If you go visiting Milan, or
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  Berlin, or Madrid, kind of feel the same with their difference?
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  In culture but it's just your regular beautiful European city
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  whereas Florence and Venice has something more.
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  And then every basically every city, every place you go as
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  something to tell us you said the city where I live in Modena
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  is the city of Ferrari for instance City where Pavarotti
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  was born the city of the balsamic vinegar.
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  So Every place has its own story and not talking cities only
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  because if you go up in the north there's Garda Lake Como
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  Lake those beautiful, lakes and mountains there's everything
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  here. I living in probably the worst
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  place in terms of Landscapes because I live in a flat lens
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  and you know what I can move with my current in a few hours I
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  get to see all those beautiful places.
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  That's gonna be nice actually, it's a lot more enjoyable.
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  If the area you're in, is easier to Traverse and it's not too
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  long to travel. I got to agree with that.
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  I remember feeling the same when I was living in Europe, like it
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  is very different to England. But then again, it depends where
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  you are in England as well. To be fair because I grew up in
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  London and it takes like two to three hours, sometimes just to
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  get to one part of the city. So anyway, what since we're
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  speaking about Italy I'm so I'm just going to Questions at you
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  if that's cool but it's only go on.
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  What are your thoughts on on Sicily?
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  Like I know this is the sort of thing that everyone asks
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  questions about and it's obviously heavily popular with
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  tourists and it's gained a lot of Fame because of the The
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  Godfather Trilogy. And you know just just generally
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  in popular culture around the world but what are your thoughts
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  as an Italian on the the city of Sicily?
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  Sicily is a region that could leave only on tourism if it were
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  to be ruled correctly to be governed correctly,
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  unfortunately it is not and let me in being really generic but
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  the mafia is still very strong and Cecily, interesting, really,
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  really strong. Keeps its power.
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  And the the the governor, the institutions, there's still
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  much. Can I see that?
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  They don't, they don't backfire okay.
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  They tend to stay quiet and to let criminality into in to be
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  institutions in to be cannot find the right words but Okay,
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  where you're coming from but it's entirely ruled and governed
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  by them. And there's not going to be
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  really any budging of that, that's just the way it is kind
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  of thing. Well, you know, you see all
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  these Governors? Do you think the institutions of
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  these Majors that are? Oh, yes.
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  I will fight Mafia and then maybe the street, the street to
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  renew you give you give the The money to a friend of yours that
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  maybe is a friend with, with the mafia boss.
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  Oh, it's how it works here mean, it's, it's sad to say, but okay,
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  so could do so much more about it with that in mind.
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  Because I've read a lot about, you know, how if we did like the
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  Godfather movies as an example is specifically the second
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  movie, which is actually filmed in Sicily in many.
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  Parts and Z is a fictional story, but like it's based on
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  elements of Truth, like, in terms of like how the mafia
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  would always Cosa Nostra. I believe it's pronounced as
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  there're. Yeah, it's one of the most
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  famous ganks, right? Okay.
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  So, like, you know what caused an austere means?
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  Literally, I got someone told me once I can't remember.
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  What does it all work thing? Interesting.
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  Okay. Would it be accurate to say that
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  the way it's portrayed in The Godfather movies is kind of
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  accurate of how it was historically?
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  Or is it like a bit overdramatize?
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  Is it not as bad or maybe it's worse?
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  Like, I think it's quite accurate.
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  Overall, in 1992, the, the mob. Blew up literally blew up to
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  judges who are about to judge Mafia bosses.
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  So they they used to do that. The the 1980s 1990s you need to
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  leave been reeled with attacks with bombs.
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  Not only suicide bombers basically.
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  No. No.
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  The exploding cars, right? Yeah.
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  Bombs in the cities. And everywhere.
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  Not all of them were by E by Mafia, but some of them were and
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  yeah. And now it's mostly, you know,
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  underground jobs trying to sneak into our institution and trying
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  to make money out of it. It's it's calm in terms of bombs
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  but it's it's not changed that much especially in some parts of
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  Italy such as Sicily. So what do you Italians in
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  general think of of The Godfather movies?
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  Like because I mean it's you can't really deny that the heavy
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  influence of Italian culture and stuff on that movie.
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  Obviously, it's a bit different in the sense that, you know,
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  it's Italians moving to America and then finding a life in
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  America and so on, so forth. So, there is that to take into
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  consideration, but it's the, the messages at I got for me, is
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  that, you know, family is very important.
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  It's very, you know, a big thing means a lot to Italians and over
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  the years, you know, I've had the pleasure of having
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  flatmates. They've been Italian and stuff.
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  And one thing I've always noticed, which is very accurate,
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  is that Italians look after other Italians, and there's a
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  sense of kind of I guess you could call it a community, maybe
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  if that's the right way to put it.
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  Yeah, well personally, The Godfather is one of the best
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  movies I've ever watched. So let's first of all, just get
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  that beautiful Trilogy, especially especially the first
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  one is amazing with Marlon Brando.
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  And as of the family, the community, I think it belongs
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  more to Southern Italy. Okay.
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  As to be the whole country. Now there are some Tsar
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  frictions and Northerners like like me, they may be called
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  racist for saying, oh, you know, you're Southerners are all the
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  same and but we have our differences.
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  Not good, it's not bad. For sure.
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  You are more welcomed when you get to Southern Italy, that's
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  for sure. And there's a Bigger sense of
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  family, stronger sense of family of community, as you said, but I
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  think it's more of a southern Italian thing than an Italian
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  thing properly. But what did I guess?
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  I didn't phrase the question, probably in the first place that
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  what the Italians generally make of those movies like what's the
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  general consensus in Italy? Well, it's appreciated here as
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  well, okay? We we see how its aliens are
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  portrayed and of course you know that we are not all the same but
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  obviously not nice. Stereotypes, stereotypes are
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  based on real things after all yellow.
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  It's sad on one side but on the other, it being quite accurate
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  as a movie. And then there's nothing we can
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  complain about. So in a sense that it's good to
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  be represented, but it's also is a double-edged sword, like it's
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  good and yeah. - at the same time?
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  Yeah. Because I'd again, like just
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  reiterating my previous, but I do think there's a big
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  distinction between Italian Americans and then Italians
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  like, it's, I don't know, it's to me, I can see the difference
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  very clearly, never met an Italian American, but ya know,
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  Medias joking about them all the time.
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  They try to sound Italian to try to beat element or not and we're
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  just normal people obviously. Yeah, I mean, I suppose it's the
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  whole thing is it have you don't have to act like a gangster to
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  be an Italian? You don't have to, to grow a
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  mustache, like, a like, Peter Griffin to be an Italian.
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  Although I have one, it's just me my stuff.
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  It's good. What are your thoughts on?
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  On the Vatican? Because I kind of find it very
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  interesting that it's a legally considered like an actual
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  country, like its own region. And you know, I've read weird
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  things over the years about the Vatican.
• 25:16
  Like the fact that, you know, it's got these secret hidden.
• 25:19
  V full with books and stuff. And you know, various Secrets
• 25:23
  works of art Etc. The Vatican has its own football
• 25:27
  team for those who don't know its own Railway system, I
• 25:32
  believe it is the smallest in the world.
• 25:34
  It's mostly used for bringing Goods in and out of the Vatican
• 25:40
  to Italy, but it's also occasionally used for tourism to
• 25:46
  bring people around. This Auditorium is a strong
• 25:48
  base. There for sure.
• 25:50
  Vatican City is basically a few buildings surrounded by Rome.
• 25:55
  Yeah. That's it.
• 25:56
  Rome is the only place on Earth to have a state within within a
• 26:01
  city is not even a state within a state.
• 26:03
  Cause we have another one, somebody know a little bit more
• 26:06
  than that beautiful place. This is where all the racing is
• 26:10
  done, one of the racing location.
• 26:12
  Yeah, but I think the circuit is not actually in summary.
• 26:15
  No. It's in in Italian territory but
• 26:19
  Look, I may have to look for that anyway.
• 26:22
  The Vatican is a problem for some social issues.
• 26:28
  Here, it has an influence. The there was this sort of
• 26:36
  agreement signed in 1929, by Benito Mussolini, with the
• 26:41
  church called the patent attorneys, it basically.
• 26:46
  And I don't want to say, Anything incorrect.
• 26:51
  So I'm looking for them right now.
• 26:53
  But basically is a non-belligerent agreement
• 26:56
  meaning that you don't hurt. Has we don't hurt you, okay?
• 27:01
  Okay. And since then the church has
• 27:04
  had an influence on our society. As far as the I mean influence
• 27:11
  on political Affairs, that kind of stuff.
• 27:15
  Yeah, if they are so because the, the state of the church has
• 27:20
  been really shrunk when Italy was unified, it was a massive
• 27:26
  State covered. Almost all Central Italy before
• 27:33
  the unification. And but basically it's a sort of
• 27:41
  a trading deal with the church and the state and as an atheist
• 27:46
  and anti-church Guy myself, I really hope that in the future.
• 27:52
  The Vatican City in the church stay completely out of our
• 27:56
  businesses. That's my That's my hope.
• 28:01
  I don't know if it will ever become truth, but You know, I
• 28:11
  get that. I mean is it is very strange to
• 28:13
  me that they can have so much influence and change when
• 28:19
  they're so secretive themselves and they keep so much hidden
• 28:23
  from the public, you know, me, it's like if you've got nothing
• 28:28
  to hide, then why hide it kind of thing, you know what I mean?
• 28:32
  Like it's stuff. That's always bugged me.
• 28:36
  To be honest that that whole mostly just that, you know, I'm
• 28:40
  not getting on man. I'm not a religious man either
• 28:42
  but whole phone that they have this.
• 28:45
  All this hidden knowledge locked all about, keeping their status
• 28:49
  quo and there's a strong lobbies down there.
• 28:54
  They want gay, marriage band, they want to keep their money,
• 29:00
  you know that the church doesn't pay any taxes on his buildings
• 29:04
  at least here in Italy. Do no, rest Of the world.
• 29:06
  But I think actually know you're onto something that if you're
• 29:13
  that's yeah, I know in America there's a lot of pastors who,
• 29:19
  you know, and it's obvious they're charlatans you know the
• 29:23
  trying to do people out there money these people fly around in
• 29:27
  private jets receive millions of donations to the point where
• 29:31
  some of them are billionaires and they're able to escape tax
• 29:35
  purely because it everything is done through donations and it's
• 29:38
  registered Charity. I think or at least religion
• 29:42
  falls under that but it's like ridiculous.
• 29:47
  The amount of money that they they make through people.
• 29:50
  And either constantly asking for this money and it's like How do
• 29:56
  they really helped? Jenna mean is donations and
• 29:59
  people are freely able to give those donations, but I mean,
• 30:05
  they're billionaires, that's insane.
• 30:08
  If the church were to pay his taxes here in Italy, we would
• 30:10
  save five billion years a year dying.
• 30:14
  That's how much the church owes the state.
• 30:18
  Basically what? He ho.
• 30:19
  He what it owes. Sorry in English that And yeah I
• 30:27
  just I just want to kick their asses out of our institutions,
• 30:32
  that's all. I hope for what do you make of
• 30:35
  this this Pope this new pope because he's very different to
• 30:38
  the other Pope's that have been before he kind of strikes me as
• 30:43
  Eva, he is a more of a normal kind of guy, or he's at least
• 30:47
  trying to be and, you know, I don't know.
• 30:51
  That's kind of interesting. I mean, I've heard things like
• 30:54
  he often refused it, he often wants to like walk around.
• 30:58
  He refuses to go in the popemobile.
• 31:00
  However, you know, he's a bit more giving of his time.
• 31:04
  As far as, you know, going out and speaking to people, and
• 31:08
  being around people and such. Well, it, it is a good news with
• 31:12
  the Within the Vatican trap. This can of Pope who is I think
• 31:18
  he's trying to make some change recently.
• 31:22
  He spoke about the about gay people.
• 31:26
  Yes said that they are normal people.
• 31:28
  They should be able to have a relationship.
• 31:31
  Yeah, we're not just on now. I wanted to bring this point up
• 31:33
  actually, that that is kind of unprecedented.
• 31:36
  I don't think a absolute previous.
• 31:38
  Yeah, previous Pope is never said that and obviously I think
• 31:42
  there They technically Catholic or I've got this role like it's
• 31:47
  like a traditional form of Christianity, like an more
• 31:51
  Orthodox form of Christianity. So it's kind of like crazy to
• 31:54
  think that they're actually considering making gay marriage
• 31:58
  like or at least putting their stamp of approval on it is a big
• 32:01
  move forward for that. Version of the question is a big
• 32:04
  movement. It is a big move any that's why
• 32:08
  this bulb is under constant pressure from the Lobbies from
• 32:14
  the Caleb is and from there and they're trying to take him down
• 32:20
  interested, this is some news I found.
• 32:24
  I'm not that kind of guy who looks up on eating it all.
• 32:27
  This is real. Like, have to chew it.
• 32:29
  No, I made a little bit of research after I found some and
• 32:33
  there are some associations were trying to take him down because
• 32:38
  of its all business because of money basic?
• 32:40
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:41
  Yeah. Apparently sorry.
• 32:44
  Let me let me finish. Apparently the leader of the
• 32:47
  major right-wing party in Italy is involved in this kind of
• 32:51
  Association so it's all politics versus Church versus shit kind
• 32:58
  of thing. Yeah, it's a mess.
• 33:03
  It is a mess. It always comes down to that as
• 33:05
  well. I mean it's the same in the UK
• 33:07
  as far as when certain changes are needed to be made in our And
• 33:14
  you get a lot of lobbyists who representing different
• 33:19
  organizations, different Industries and stuff like that.
• 33:21
  And it's a lot of money. They pump money into that party
• 33:24
  often to get them elected, and then they get in the changes
• 33:27
  they want. The made that aren't necessarily
• 33:29
  good for the country or even, you know, those particular
• 33:33
  Industries but they all benefit those particular businesses,
• 33:35
  they're trying to push that forward.
• 33:40
  Moving moving things forward. I wanted to take this
• 33:43
  opportunity to ask you about your experience of covid-19,
• 33:47
  specifically the first lockdown in Italy, because I think for a
• 33:52
  lot of us, we were looking at Italy as like, I don't have to
• 33:57
  put it like a yeah, I suppose. Everyone's eyes was kind of on
• 34:02
  Italy and China. At one point in the beginning,
• 34:03
  of all of this, obviously, China were able to kind of move out of
• 34:07
  it and it weirdly seems like business as Usual there.
• 34:10
  Now whereas in Italy you had a very very strict lockdown.
• 34:15
  I mean is different from ours. In the sense that from what I
• 34:19
  could this is I don't know how factual this is.
• 34:22
  But why understood was in Italy for most of the lockdown, there
• 34:27
  was very restricted access to be able to move around and stuff
• 34:30
  like you were only able to go to the store and like that's it.
• 34:34
  And in the UK, we had something similar in the beginning.
• 34:39
  It took us A while to, you know. So we were kind of as far as
• 34:42
  like, I guess, the progress of covid-19, we were like a month
• 34:47
  or two behind you guys, but when we implemented, it was very much
• 34:51
  like a, unless you're like an essential worker, you can't go
• 34:55
  outside. And you can only go outside for
• 34:58
  like light exercise or to go to the store and like it was like
• 35:02
  that for like a month or two, something like that.
• 35:04
  But what was your experience of the well, Yeah, going back.
• 35:11
  The first cases of covid in Italy I believe were found on
• 35:15
  two Chinese tourists in Rome the end of January if I recall
• 35:21
  correctly and then we started talking about some closures
• 35:31
  around the end of February and I live close to one of the very
• 35:37
  first area restricted. With the covid rules.
• 35:41
  And by March, the 8th, I believe 9th.
• 35:45
  We are in complete and total lockdown for three months.
• 35:50
  And I think, I think Italy did well in doing this first lock
• 35:58
  down, but some place is closed down too late.
• 36:05
  For instance, in Bergamo, which is a important city up in north
• 36:09
  in Lombardy. There was this Champions League
• 36:12
  match between Atlanta and Valencia And that match goes so
• 36:19
  many. Did you say that cases tragic
• 36:25
  cases? Yeah.
• 36:26
  So many cases and the mortality rate in Bergamo went up by five
• 36:32
  hundred percent during the pandemic.
• 36:37
  There were so many deaths that military trucks.
• 36:46
  So like about the got the coffins and move, the coffins
• 36:49
  away from Bergamo to other cities so that they could bury
• 36:53
  the bodies. They were just too many bodies
• 36:55
  to bury and the the governor of lumber the was and also some
• 37:04
  mate. I'm not talking about political
• 37:06
  studies, both left and right. The the region of Lombardy is
• 37:10
  ruled by the, right and some cities from the Left-wing
• 37:13
  mayor's, but they all underestimated.
• 37:17
  The, the the pandemic and first times.
• 37:20
  So until March basically nothing was closed down, and people were
• 37:24
  still going to work and that caused.
• 37:26
  So many cases in Lombardy limit is probably the place.
• 37:29
  One of the most affected places on Earth as of as of myself,
• 37:41
  didn't get mean, didn't get that much in trouble.
• 37:46
  I started working from home now, work from home, three days a
• 37:51
  week and then go to the office, two days a week.
• 37:54
  So, okay, not a big deal, not a big deal, to be honest, didn't
• 37:58
  lose, any didn't lose my job. I didn't lose any of the things
• 38:02
  I did. So, The the mistake that Italy
• 38:08
  made and that many other countries made was to open up in
• 38:12
  the summer too much. And also I hate to say this, but
• 38:19
  if you don't give strict rules to Italians, Italians will not
• 38:21
  follow, you know, advices you have to put strict rules here
• 38:28
  because as soon as pubs and clubs were reopened, In the
• 38:35
  summer, in June. It was like nothing has ever
• 38:39
  happened though. Yeah, and that's why I got up
• 38:43
  with this second wave and now we are in another restriction.
• 38:49
  Period starting from the end of October and that's what it is.
• 38:55
  Talk us through a little bit through.
• 38:57
  Yeah, because as you before we get to that I do remember that I
• 39:00
  remember seeing like footage of Italy in the summer and as we
• 39:04
  were all blown away because we were still, I think Eva and
• 39:07
  locked down or Like some restrictive kind of stay.
• 39:11
  And we were looking at you guys. Like what?
• 39:13
  It's like back to normal there, what was going on and we kept
• 39:19
  getting told by the government here, like, oh, we're just
• 39:21
  behind Italy. They're ahead of us there.
• 39:24
  They were more responsive and that's why they're ahead of us,
• 39:27
  blah, blah blah, right? But it still didn't make sense
• 39:30
  to us here. So, it's interesting that you
• 39:33
  say that and yeah, talk us through a little bit, the
• 39:35
  restrictive situation that you're in.
• 39:38
  In because right now we've just come out of one month lockdown
• 39:42
  and we've since the end of summer until now and going into
• 39:47
  the new year, we've got this tier system thing going on.
• 39:51
  So it's different levels of restrictions based on the
• 39:55
  perceived level of cases in a particular region.
• 39:58
  So some places have nearly everything, open some places
• 40:02
  have certain things are open. I think in tier 3 where we are
• 40:05
  in Manchester. It's heavily restricted.
• 40:08
  So I need like food shops, clothing stores.
• 40:13
  Those are the types of places that are open like pubs and
• 40:15
  clubs are not open. Basically?
• 40:17
  Yeah, well during the summer, it felt like it was over.
• 40:23
  Okay, so it means that because we had a few dozen cases per day
• 40:28
  The full lockdown that lasted three months worked in keeping
• 40:33
  the case is really low, but then then we got up again in October.
• 40:37
  So now we have a three-tier system here based on Italy is
• 40:43
  divided into 19 regions and two provinces that form another
• 40:49
  region. But not not going to dig into
• 40:54
  that, and every region has a color either.
• 40:57
  Yellow. Orange red.
• 41:00
  Right now, I'm in a yellow zone. So the lowest possible scenario
• 41:08
  and shops are closed during the holidays.
• 41:16
  And Sundays and Saturdays, you can go to restaurant but only
• 41:22
  only lunch and then they closed down at 6 p.m. and you can move
• 41:29
  to other yellow regions. We just came out of the orange
• 41:34
  Zone in the orange Zone. Everything is closed down.
• 41:37
  Even restaurant. You can order to take away for
• 41:41
  delivery services, but you cannot move.
• 41:45
  If not for health issues, work issues or emergencies and you
• 41:51
  have to bring a this, you have to sign this if they pull you
• 42:03
  over and you and you don't have a valid reason to be outside.
• 42:09
  You get fined up to 400 euros, even 1000 testing because we've
• 42:15
  been told in the UK that we, there is supposed to be some
• 42:20
  sort of system in place to give you fines if you're found
• 42:24
  breaking the rules. So, for example, we have had
• 42:26
  something for a long time where it's the rule of six, where you
• 42:30
  can't be in a group, any bigger than six people.
• 42:32
  But I've never personally seen police enforcing this, like,
• 42:36
  giving out, these finds whatever it just sounds like a lot of
• 42:40
  hearsay by the government. There's not actually being acted
• 42:43
  upon so you're Basically that the police are enforcing these
• 42:47
  things quite rigidly. Well, during the lockdown, there
• 42:52
  was this kind of funny reporting every day on the news paper you
• 42:57
  saw. Oh today 20,000 finds two people
• 43:02
  trying to sneak out over of their home now.
• 43:05
  It's a bit more relaxed but for instance, my sister got to find
• 43:09
  because she was sitting in a car with a couple of friends and
• 43:12
  they didn't they weren't wearing a mask.
• 43:14
  Let's Euros for her. Yeah, and framing it and
• 43:18
  bringing the news because it got reported on our local newspaper
• 43:20
  and from the news and giving her to Christmas as a present, just
• 43:24
  to remind that It's not convenient to break the rules.
• 43:31
  It's what was the deal with the masks then.
• 43:33
  Do you have to wear it like everywhere all the time or
• 43:36
  everywhere all the time unless you unless you do physical
• 43:40
  exercise, okay, so if I'm walking down the street though
• 43:43
  and I'm not wearing a mask that's an instant fine.
• 43:46
  Yeah, damn. Okay.
• 43:48
  That's something that's different in the UK I've seen in
• 43:51
  Manchester is like, it's kind of a given that you have to wear it
• 43:54
  indoors. But as far as people just
• 43:57
  walking around outside people don't wear them, just kind of
• 44:00
  interesting. But I mean it should be
• 44:04
  enforced. But of course it's not that
• 44:08
  there are cameras here that yes you have.
• 44:12
  It's not we're not even a dictatorship or anything like
• 44:16
  That right? Yeah.
• 44:18
  And I didn't I didn't get pulled wasn't pulled over so far but
• 44:24
  you know, it's always have this with me just in case I have you
• 44:29
  seen any kind of crazy behavior from people around you in Italy
• 44:33
  because some of the crazy behavior we've had is obvious in
• 44:37
  the beginning of the first lockdown.
• 44:40
  We had panic buying quite quite quite.
• 44:43
  A lot of that. And we also had a little bit of
• 44:45
  it going into this. Second lockdown obviously
• 44:49
  emotional the crazy behavior you hear about is in the states and
• 44:52
  stuff but I'm just interested to hear about if there was anything
• 44:55
  crazy you saw in Italy or heard about And in regards to that on
• 45:00
  the newspapers. Yes a lot people coming up with
• 45:03
  all sorts of excuses to escape from the houses and I don't know
• 45:10
  if I can find some, some of them.
• 45:14
  Mother. Was there anything you were
• 45:19
  witness to specifically of? No, but Instagram, may be
• 45:25
  following some friends of mine. Some people.
• 45:27
  I know you don't go to these ghosts.
• 45:30
  Come on, just because it's summer during a pandemic.
• 45:33
  Yeah, they did a bit too many people on in clubs and discos.
• 45:41
  It's a tricky one with holidays because I've seen people going
• 45:44
  on holiday to and I'm like, well on one hand.
• 45:47
  It's Okay, if it's just like you and your partner and you're
• 45:53
  going to somewhere really quiet. I don't know.
• 45:55
  That's very rural and like I kind of get that but if you're
• 45:59
  just going on a standard holiday to like I don't know, Spain or
• 46:02
  something. And you want to beach holiday?
• 46:04
  I just I feel like that's just a really stupid idea.
• 46:10
  Yeah, of course. I mean I get those who went to
• 46:15
  Holiday because maybe because they they already booked and
• 46:17
  didn't want To lose their money, okay?
• 46:19
  I can, I can sort of understand this, but if you book during a
• 46:25
  pandemic to go to Spain, as you said, Greece come on, you're a
• 46:30
  fool. When I something interesting, as
• 46:33
  well as I am, there's a guy that I volunteer with, if he told me
• 46:36
  he's got a holiday booked right now to go to Spain and he was
• 46:42
  telling me that he had to pay. I think it was like Something
• 46:47
  like 140 Euros, each per person to get a like a test of covid,
• 46:53
  test to then, get a certificate that would prove like, yeah, -
• 46:59
  blah blah, blah. I can come with my partner and
• 47:02
  if they don't get them, they're not allowed into the country
• 47:05
  into Spain, which is kind of interesting because I understand
• 47:10
  the Spanish government's decision on that.
• 47:11
  I think that is kind of sensible but the same time it's like
• 47:14
  crazy. Like how much Much.
• 47:16
  They're charging like gin. And I mean, like, I feel
• 47:18
  something like that is like you 15, euros, tops.
• 47:23
  You know what I mean? Like, yeah, 140 Euros.
• 47:26
  Each Jesus. Hey man.
• 47:32
  I'm as we draw it to a close for this.
• 47:34
  Were your thoughts on them on the vaccines that have been sort
• 47:39
  of dish that I won't? Because there seems to be a bit
• 47:40
  of a competition as far as what's available there.
• 47:46
  All, they've all got different percentage rates as far as
• 47:49
  Effectiveness is concerned. I believe in the UK, we've had
• 47:53
  our first test. No.
• 47:56
  Sorry. First use of those vaccinations.
• 47:58
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, right about 90 year
• 48:00
  old woman, they believe something like that.
• 48:03
  Yeah. Also guy named William
• 48:05
  Shakespeare was vaccinated on the news only that he's so
• 48:13
  British humor. You know, something that is
• 48:17
  really precious is pun names. Like we seem to love that.
• 48:22
  I know, I kind of love it too. It's a very kind of silly stupid
• 48:26
  British humor thing but I love, it's brilliant.
• 48:30
  And the the Spanish magician, the said uno, dos and
• 48:33
  disappeared Without a Trace. Hey, it was terrible, it was
• 48:39
  terrible, I'm sorry, it was actually for your audience, we
• 48:44
  love it, we love it, but the vaccine, I just just trust
• 48:48
  science. I think they said it was going
• 48:52
  to be available for for next year.
• 48:55
  For January, for spring of 2021, I trust them.
• 48:59
  So don't think there's I don't have much to to comment about
• 49:03
  it. I will do the vaccine as soon as
• 49:06
  it becomes available. So fair enough.
• 49:10
  Yep. Bringing it back to your
• 49:12
  podcast, tell us more about what you like about podcasting.
• 49:20
  What what kind of drives you and motivates you as far as doing
• 49:23
  podcasting is concerned. Me me, still have to figure it
• 49:28
  out what actually but it's the is the whole process the whole
• 49:32
  process of spending an hour or two like two three times a week.
• 49:39
  Also now that that we it's not it's not advised to go outside.
• 49:48
  Yes it's raining. Also also it's raining really
• 49:51
  bad lately, at least here for a few days.
• 49:58
  It's a good way to spend some free time.
• 50:02
  And there's not something I like more than others like talking to
• 50:08
  strangers. Like looking to all the guests
• 50:11
  are yet. I also like to write down some
• 50:13
  stuff for some ideas and editing, I love editing you like
• 50:18
  editing. Yep, why?
• 50:21
  I don't know. I don't record the video.
• 50:25
  So I just have the boj to put together like putting I know
• 50:30
  sounds and Choosing brakes. Yeah, I've noticed you do that,
• 50:35
  actually, it's done very well. I thought it was pretty cool.
• 50:38
  Like, very professionally put together.
• 50:41
  Well, thank you because it's these.
• 50:43
  It was the very first time. I tried it.
• 50:44
  So we have a talent on that. Absolutely, absolutely.
• 50:51
  What do you dislike or find challenging about podcasting?
• 50:58
  Probably preparing the episode as you said and you certainly
• 51:01
  the intro. Yeah, just the research.
• 51:04
  I really agree with you. That it's not always easy to
• 51:11
  find topics to talk about. That's the hardest part.
• 51:17
  I'll tell you also finding guest is hard, but it's not actually
• 51:20
  that hard. I mean, read it is a great place
• 51:23
  to find your guests. Yeah.
• 51:25
  I keep saying this all the time. As many rooms as I can.
• 51:28
  Also use the Grim also, Instagram use.
• 51:30
  Yeah. But Reddit is the best.
• 51:34
  It is, isn't it? Like I've said this to a few
• 51:36
  guests. Now, some of whom I've actually
• 51:38
  found through ready. Obviously, we found each other
• 51:40
  free, read it but they're they're these two two in
• 51:44
  particular. I think it's podcast.
• 51:47
  R / podcast and then our / podcast exchange.
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  I believe it's a new one actually but just the two boards
• 51:54
  but guests guests and podcast gasps clicks.
• 51:56
  That's right. Yeah, but there's also podcast
• 51:59
  itself which is like, no, like tips for podcasters or people
• 52:03
  asking, you know? Hey I'm doing this thing.
• 52:06
  What do I do? Like I saw something really
• 52:08
  interesting that someone wanted to set up a podcast about memes
• 52:11
  which I thought was genius idea. I've never seen anything like
• 52:14
  that, but it's a really kind of a cool idea.
• 52:17
  In a sense, you know I already did something like that.
• 52:21
  Recorded some parts about it. Yeah.
• 52:25
  Season 1 of cappuccino cheeks will end next Saturday.
• 52:30
  Okay. So yeah, December 12 will be our
• 52:34
  last episode for this season and then the following Saturday
• 52:40
  19th, we will have a special episode with all the bloopers
• 52:44
  and outtakes. And there are some means that it
• 52:50
  took about means also do something really cringe-worthy,
• 52:53
  but I'm not going to tell anything at the end of the
• 53:00
  special episode. Is called the shots of whiskey,
• 53:02
  because I have, you know, before, Matt's espresso for
• 53:05
  Battalion episode and then hot chocolate or the Casual talks
• 53:09
  and spicy latter the interviews. So, intensity.
• 53:13
  Well done, well done. Shout out to my colleague, Luca
• 53:17
  for, for giving me this idea of Leda formats.
• 53:21
  So I created shots of whiskey for all the bloopers and
• 53:24
  outtakes, we'll be out on this end of 19th, and I've already
• 53:29
  recording the season 2. Episodes will be, are probably
• 53:34
  mid-January. Good for custody Seasons because
• 53:37
  I've had I've had a few podcast is on this on this this podcast
• 53:42
  before and they've often spoken about doing seasons is that to
• 53:48
  give yourself like a bit of a breather, or do you do it?
• 53:50
  I don't know. According to like the season of
• 53:52
  the year. So like winter summer, or gal,
• 53:54
  like you know what? What is the logic behind that?
• 53:59
  It's something. I came up came up with just a
• 54:02
  few days ago. So I'm not really sure why I'm
• 54:06
  doing this. But yeah, there's a break
• 54:09
  because the the last recordings I did for Susan one were on
• 54:14
  early November early to mid November.
• 54:17
  So and I recorded the first episode of the second season
• 54:22
  yesterday, so as also to, to have a break with my job, I
• 54:29
  don't have that much of a, I have some spare time but I don't
• 54:34
  want to use it all to, you know, edit three episode per week, I
• 54:38
  would go crazy. Also, I have my girlfriend here,
• 54:42
  living with me, so don't want to leave her alone.
• 54:45
  You know what? Who knows, what you might get up
• 54:48
  to? I'm just kidding.
• 54:51
  Okay, I get it. I get it.
• 54:52
  It's your balancing a lot of plates.
• 54:54
  You got to put time for yourself for your work, for everything.
• 54:57
  I get that. That's sensible.
• 54:59
  Oh yeah, you interview people on your podcast.
• 55:02
  That was one of the things you mentioned who was your favorite
• 55:05
  guest so far and why Okay, I have to think about it a little
• 55:13
  bit, but let me check my schedule because I didn't want
• 55:16
  to miss any of it. One of the first guests really
• 55:21
  struck me because I interview the US Army veteran.
• 55:25
  Yeah. So that one I'm was really,
• 55:29
  really honoured to talk with him and he story about drugs
• 55:35
  addiction. So really, really interesting to
• 55:39
  do. Also, one of my favorites.
• 55:48
  Also, also an Indian guy interviewed, how the episode
• 55:52
  called House India? I'm sorry, I his connection was
• 56:00
  really bad. So yeah, that's a bummer.
• 56:03
  But we talked about a lot of stuff, even even if we if the
• 56:08
  call lasted, just maybe 30 minutes or so.
• 56:12
  And super interesting to speak with him.
• 56:14
  Also, the upcoming episode, which will close the decision
• 56:18
  one with a Canadian philosopher, who just definitely Anderson
• 56:27
  Anderson for, for being my guest has really, really interesting.
• 56:31
  Cool. Dude.
• 56:32
  Cool. And what?
• 56:35
  This is a final question, just for the podcast, but what are
• 56:38
  your kind of goals and aspirations for this podcast?
• 56:45
  The goal is to have fun, and I really mean it.
• 56:52
  And okay, let me put it this way until I have fun making the
• 57:00
  episode and interviewing and editing.
• 57:02
  And all of this, I will keep doing it.
• 57:05
  If I have less time to do that. I will maybe give the episode
• 57:09
  shorter or less episodes. If I don't want to do that.
• 57:13
  Of course, I have to speak with my co-host as well, this but I
• 57:18
  have no problems in ending. The podcast, whenever I feel
• 57:22
  like a lie, Don't want to too. To go on anymore.
• 57:28
  Yeah, if something comes up, if I become famous, if I start
• 57:31
  making money out of it, perfect, if not, I don't care.
• 57:35
  That's what I care about very few things in life, the podcast
• 57:39
  is not one of those. It's just the way to have fun,
• 57:43
  you know? I think you make a very solid
• 57:45
  Point marker. I remember when I start doing
• 57:47
  YouTube properly last year, I got really stressed about the
• 57:51
  numbers and like down like, oh, I wish more people were
• 57:55
  watching. I wish this would And I wish
• 57:56
  that would happen then and then it wasn't until I suppose the
• 58:01
  last three to six months that I really gone crazy with YouTube
• 58:05
  podcasting, all of these different things and now I like
• 58:09
  enjoy it more than ever. And I'm, I kind of look at the
• 58:13
  numbers, like, with curiosity, but I don't obsess over them
• 58:16
  anymore. And I purely just focus on,
• 58:19
  like, do I enjoy this, is this fun and I always use that as a
• 58:23
  kind of my main motivation. And I got to say with with this
• 58:27
  podcast in general, I feel exactly the way that you do.
• 58:31
  Like I feel like well, I'll keep doing this as long as it's fun
• 58:34
  and particularly interviewing people's is very interesting to
• 58:39
  me, it's like one aspect of the podcast that most of it is
• 58:43
  interviewing. There are some episodes wherever
• 58:45
  co-host, shout Dutch deals. And we talked about various
• 58:49
  different things. We do special episodes here and
• 58:52
  there, or sometimes I just do an episode where I just talked at
• 58:55
  length about a A topic. But I have to say, like, out of
• 58:59
  all of those things, the podcast interviews are always my
• 59:02
  favorite because you learn about someone completely new.
• 59:06
  Every time. It's a challenge, summer easier,
• 59:09
  some are harder, but there's always that kind of challenge
• 59:13
  make the ultimate Challenge to make sure that the episode is as
• 59:16
  good as it possibly can be an interesting conversation.
• 59:20
  Both to watch and to listen to, and yeah, challenge to yourself.
• 59:24
  Like, how can I continue to make this fun?
• 59:26
  One for myself and keep myself motivated to continue to do it.
• 59:31
  It's the same as made think running.
• 59:36
  Do you run to become an Olympic champion?
• 59:38
  Do you run just to keep in shape, I run to keep in shape,
• 59:42
  so, Do you have a podcast to become the the best podcast of
• 59:46
  number one in the world, maybe one day.
• 59:49
  But as of now and just keeping my my shape with the old editing
• 59:55
  interviewing stuff, it's you've hit on something interesting
• 59:58
  that because I feel like Yeah, it is important to be happy and
• 1:00:05
  just do it for those reasons. But, I'll be honest with you.
• 1:00:07
  Like I want this to see. I want to do this for a living,
• 1:00:12
  you know, I really do. I really enjoy it.
• 1:00:15
  I feel like I'm good at it, like, I don't know.
• 1:00:17
  I mean, I found it awkward saying good things about myself,
• 1:00:21
  you know. I find it awkward as hell if
• 1:00:22
  someone says something positive about me, so it's even more
• 1:00:24
  Awkward saying. Hey, yeah, I think I'm good at
• 1:00:27
  this thing, but like one thing I pride myself on is putting like
• 1:00:31
  100%. effort into something like always and My point being that,
• 1:00:38
  I think that if you have that kind of motivation and drive to
• 1:00:41
  be like the absolute best or one of the best, then I feel like
• 1:00:46
  through that you get better quality content anyway and a
• 1:00:49
  much higher chance of becoming something.
• 1:00:53
  You know what I mean? Like, I mean, there's obviously
• 1:00:55
  you have to be realistic, you know, there's so much
• 1:00:58
  competition out there and you know, his podcast being set up
• 1:01:02
  every single day, right? But The one thing I've noticed
• 1:01:06
  is that not many of them necessarily continue, you know,
• 1:01:10
  I've seen a lot of podcast in an ogre.
• 1:01:12
  Like yeah, we're setting up a new podcast.
• 1:01:13
  We're doing this thing and then ten fifteen episodes in.
• 1:01:16
  They just randomly stopped and it said to look to try to look
• 1:01:21
  on YouTube for my first video and then you see all those kids
• 1:01:25
  going on this channel. I will play Fortnight three
• 1:01:28
  times a week and then you have logged then we have City sits in
• 1:01:33
  the very first video. So, three years ago so you have
• 1:01:38
  to find some balance between what you want and what you
• 1:01:41
  expect, what managing expectations as well, some
• 1:01:46
  people will put absolutely, I dunno, I think that's a very
• 1:01:49
  good point again. I mean these are solid points,
• 1:01:52
  you're making I got to say like when I first started doing the
• 1:01:54
  podcast, I did a podcast before with a couple of friends and we
• 1:01:57
  got to about seven episodes and that was three people sharing
• 1:02:00
  the work for but for some reason there was a lot of stress.
• 1:02:04
  I Well every week doing it, just once a week felt stressful, then
• 1:02:08
  I started doing my own podcast and I felt like it was something
• 1:02:11
  I always wanted to do but I had no idea just how much work would
• 1:02:17
  be involved. And now it's like the reality is
• 1:02:21
  really set in. You know it's it's clipping up
• 1:02:24
  stuff. It's editing.
• 1:02:25
  It's trying to find people to appear, it's promoting yourself.
• 1:02:30
  It's all of these different things.
• 1:02:32
  And if you're not prepared to do that, then you're not going to
• 1:02:34
  last More than a couple of episodes.
• 1:02:36
  That's the reality. I agree 100%.
• 1:02:40
  That's why that's why I think my co-host Pietro for uploading the
• 1:02:44
  episodes and doing all the advertising.
• 1:02:48
  Yeah. That he does on Instagram on the
• 1:02:52
  social media so yeah I agree with you.
• 1:02:56
  Yeah, not much. I can add to what you said.
• 1:03:00
  Let's move it forward, what other hobbies and interests.
• 1:03:04
  Do you have outside of podcasting?
• 1:03:07
  Okay, as a web developer. I as your regular web developer.
• 1:03:15
  I'm quite honored. So movies and TV shows or movies
• 1:03:24
  and TV shows and music a lot and listen to a lot of music metal
• 1:03:29
  music. Most of the times, get that and
• 1:03:36
  Sports collectibles like going like running played football for
• 1:03:40
  15 years. Then I was younger younger.
• 1:03:44
  Yeah. Like I'm old now.
• 1:03:50
  And besides that, well, I'm interested in politics
• 1:03:53
  sexuality, actuality, So reading newspapers online.
• 1:04:04
  Yeah, it's basically it's oh my my days are here, working
• 1:04:11
  writing lines of code recording, listening to whatever, I listen
• 1:04:18
  to a lot of podcasts as well. And metal music and playing some
• 1:04:24
  video games. After that, I stuck to your
• 1:04:28
  Instagram profile. Obviously, from my research
• 1:04:31
  research purposes, of course. And I noticed that you went to
• 1:04:38
  Dream theater gig and I believe 2014 and I immediately was Larry
• 1:04:43
  for God concert, very good concert.
• 1:04:46
  Yeah I was I was I just turned 18.
• 1:04:52
  You few days after my 18th birthday on July 2014.
• 1:04:58
  So I was in the front row by the way.
• 1:05:03
  Well, the reason I bring it up is this is one of my favorite
• 1:05:06
  bands of all time and I've never actually spoken about Dream
• 1:05:10
  Theater on the podcast or any videos of ever done.
• 1:05:14
  But yeah, I just have amazing. Amazing concert, amazing concert
• 1:05:19
  and I didn't, I didn't know drink theater that much because
• 1:05:21
  when that period, I mean I grew up listening to Green Day.
• 1:05:25
  Linkin Park The Offspring alternative Hunk then I turn
• 1:05:29
  into metal head but just the less heavy stuff so maybe
• 1:05:36
  Metallica maybe again, roses, Nickelback.
• 1:05:40
  Also, I was a Nickelback fan. I apologize for that.
• 1:05:42
  They get a lot of hate, you know.
• 1:05:44
  But I got to say, so I'll give some love to Nickel bad because
• 1:05:46
  if you're, if you've actually sat down and properly, listen to
• 1:05:49
  Nickel back there. One of those bands, where you've
• 1:05:53
  got to listen to the full record, they have the
• 1:05:56
  radio-friendly songs, but I guarantee you, You if you listen
• 1:05:59
  to the rest, it maybe they have some some good songs.
• 1:06:01
  Yeah, yeah. But like actually heavy proper
• 1:06:03
  songs like the aren't radio because they do it on purpose.
• 1:06:07
  Every time they put a record out, they'll put one or two
• 1:06:10
  songs that are like, you know, Nickelback the we know and the
• 1:06:14
  rest of the record will be heavy as heavy as hell.
• 1:06:17
  Good stuff. There are no 2013,abu, maybe, no
• 1:06:21
  2012, 2013 album called here and now was very heavy.
• 1:06:25
  Mmm. I have some very good songs on
• 1:06:27
  it, so like ha Rock vibe to it, isn't it?
• 1:06:29
  Yep. Yep.
• 1:06:31
  And but do you know the site is Nickelback divorced band
• 1:06:35
  ever.com okay type type in your browser is Nickelback the worst
• 1:06:42
  band ever.com. There's a big fat giant yes on
• 1:06:45
  the screen and nothing else to say so mean, they probably yeah.
• 1:06:51
  That that that's that's a mean. But yeah, I discovered Dream
• 1:06:55
  Theater with their album Dream Theater.
• 1:06:58
  Okay. After they put out the song, The
• 1:07:03
  Enemy side. Yes, I fell in love with that
• 1:07:06
  song and I didn't know, as I said it didn't know them very
• 1:07:10
  well, but it was disconcerting but ratio, which is a city, not
• 1:07:14
  too far away from where I lived. So go for it.
• 1:07:20
  First concert 18 years old but could go wrong.
• 1:07:22
  In fact, nothing went wrong. Yeah.
• 1:07:24
  I was alone but I made some friends along the way.
• 1:07:28
  For the evening, we never spoke after that.
• 1:07:31
  But Front Row, three and a half hours of doing theater.
• 1:07:36
  It's the dream. We've the fear of a that the
• 1:07:42
  concert were to be canceled because it was raining, then did
• 1:07:46
  not so perfect. Amazing experience.
• 1:07:49
  I've seen them twice. I saw them once in 2010 when
• 1:07:52
  they release the Series of Unfortunate Events album and
• 1:07:56
  that was also the first album. With their newer drummer Mike
• 1:08:00
  Mangini. And I also saw them in 2012, I
• 1:08:06
  believe they did a random appearance at UK festival.
• 1:08:11
  And I was obvious, because I've massive fan, by that point, I
• 1:08:14
  still am. But like, you know, I was really
• 1:08:16
  into them. So when I found out, I was a
• 1:08:18
  bigger fan, as well. Back in a few years ago, a lot
• 1:08:21
  of them, but they're not my favorite band anymore.
• 1:08:25
  Probably, yeah, I got one. I'm not as big a fan of the
• 1:08:27
  newer me. Like me for me.
• 1:08:30
  My favorite, a list of favorite albums from them either because
• 1:08:32
  I want to talk about it easy. So for me, there best albums are
• 1:08:36
  everything from their first album up until probably A Series
• 1:08:42
  of Unfortunate Events to be honest.
• 1:08:43
  But the the absolute best ones for me are scenes from a memory.
• 1:08:50
  Let me see, probably octavarium. And then falling into Infinity
• 1:08:54
  awake and images and words so a lot of more of their older
• 1:08:57
  stuff. Tough OG stuff.
• 1:09:02
  But how about yourself? Don't know.
• 1:09:04
  I don't know if I have a favorite album.
• 1:09:07
  It's tough, isn't it? Yeah, it's really tough images.
• 1:09:10
  And words are weaker, two masterpieces.
• 1:09:12
  Yeah. I also like black clouds &
• 1:09:15
  Silver, Linings. It's a good on in-house.
• 1:09:19
  This song name nightmare, to remember, it's 60 Minutes long
• 1:09:25
  with that acoustic, Meet me in the middle after six minutes and
• 1:09:31
  you get beautiful. But one song I really probably
• 1:09:36
  my favorite song right now from Teen Dream.
• 1:09:38
  Theater is 0-2 Mania. Yeah.
• 1:09:41
  Just get on, not to be not to be mean to, to LaBrie, but it's one
• 1:09:48
  of the two songs that can make me head bang with the keyboard.
• 1:09:54
  No, I mean yeah, I kind of Because it's, that's from awake,
• 1:10:00
  I believe, isn't it from a week? Yeah, I feel like, because they
• 1:10:03
  had a different keyboardist back then a guy called Eric synanon
• 1:10:07
  something like a demon. So, yeah, some of that anyway.
• 1:10:11
  Obviously, they, they replaced him in late to so early 2000s
• 1:10:15
  with a guy called Jordan rudess who you first here on scenes
• 1:10:19
  from a memory and he's excellent, I could be wrong but
• 1:10:21
  it's a different vibe. Like I feel like with the older
• 1:10:25
  things from memory may be the other one.
• 1:10:27
  BB follow me one. No, it was it was scenes from a
• 1:10:30
  memory. I believe scenes from a memory
• 1:10:33
  Erica scenes from a memory came out in 1999.
• 1:10:37
  That's right. Yeah.
• 1:10:38
  And he started touring with them and there around that time and
• 1:10:42
  then I believe that's the first record they did together.
• 1:10:45
  So before that it was the final wreck.
• 1:10:50
  It could have been a change of seat, no falling to into
• 1:10:53
  Infinity. I believe was the last album
• 1:10:56
  with Derek Shinning and the last one before Or scenes from a
• 1:11:01
  memory. Yep, they also write and they
• 1:11:04
  also did like a bunch of stuff in the 90s.
• 1:11:06
  It was really cool actually because falling into Infinity
• 1:11:09
  gets a lot of hate but I don't know.
• 1:11:11
  I thought it was an excellent album, my people say, oh they
• 1:11:13
  were going more. Like you know, pop, they were
• 1:11:16
  becoming more a bit embarrassed, not their worst.
• 1:11:18
  It's it's a good album secured a record.
• 1:11:21
  Yeah, it's not like best Dream Theater but it's a good record.
• 1:11:24
  It's a good like they never put. They never put out a Bad album.
• 1:11:28
  That's like not good quality Janome.
• 1:11:30
  It might not always be to your taste, but they never put out
• 1:11:33
  like a bad quality album as far as even even the astonishing
• 1:11:37
  which is a record. They think extremely hard to
• 1:11:41
  listen to. Yeah.
• 1:11:42
  So my Arabic and probably my least favorite.
• 1:11:46
  But has that song at the end of the first CD, let me see.
• 1:11:52
  This is what I feel. They're lacking because I feel
• 1:11:55
  like when they had Mike Portnoy on board The songwriting was a
• 1:11:59
  lot. There was more of a metal
• 1:12:02
  element, but it was a nice blend, you know, obviously.
• 1:12:04
  But you need a new beginning. That's the one beautiful song
• 1:12:08
  that outro beautiful Oaks. But yeah, it's the among 34
• 1:12:13
  songs, I mean, you can get one, right, the other 33 is not know.
• 1:12:19
  I just, I feel, what again, I really feel like they're
• 1:12:21
  missing. Mike Portnoy with his
• 1:12:23
  songwriting, it really I don't know, I felt like the blend of
• 1:12:29
  him because as I understand the main songwriter is in that band
• 1:12:34
  are LaBrie Point know, when he was in the band.
• 1:12:40
  And then I want to say maybe Rue Des has some influence on it,
• 1:12:46
  but it's largely LaBrie and I feel like if you don't have the
• 1:12:51
  heavier side to blend with librarian and rudest, then it's
• 1:12:55
  kind of its it gets to me. Eric and that's fine.
• 1:12:58
  Every album is different but like they are still a metal
• 1:13:01
  band, you know? I mean like when they don't have
• 1:13:03
  the metal there, it's like I guess it's more of a shame than
• 1:13:07
  anything like it's fine to be experimental.
• 1:13:09
  Like I felt like I almost felt like scenes from a memory.
• 1:13:13
  No, not since for a memory. So the first album dramatic turn
• 1:13:17
  of events was exciting. Was interesting, is that?
• 1:13:19
  Okay, so no Portnoy, we've got this Mike Mangini guy in.
• 1:13:23
  It's a different vibe. What comes next?
• 1:13:25
  Then they do dream things. Theater the self-titled album
• 1:13:28
  and it had like a good blend of the two.
• 1:13:31
  It was like a mixture of what they did on a dramatic turn of
• 1:13:35
  events. If a kind of almost like a blend
• 1:13:37
  of that metal style that you come to expect in albums, like
• 1:13:41
  silver clouds, and what was the other one systematic black
• 1:13:46
  clouds & Silver, Linings in, systematic kills.
• 1:13:49
  But then that album, The all talking about, the astonishing
• 1:13:51
  comes out, like three years later and it's like not what
• 1:13:56
  we're expecting at all. No luck so far.
• 1:13:58
  Three theater Dream, Theater is one of their best album in my
• 1:14:00
  opinion. Such high praise.
• 1:14:03
  I don't know. I still don't feel like maybe
• 1:14:05
  maybe, maybe it's because the album, my, we retain a got to
• 1:14:09
  know them, but fair enough. Yeah, everyone has that biased.
• 1:14:12
  For me. It's scenes from a memory is my
• 1:14:15
  absolute favorite because if just you see about Mike Portnoy
• 1:14:19
  because, you know, liquid tension experiment, right?
• 1:14:22
  Yes, it's basically just Dream Theater but like if every Song
• 1:14:27
  was a solo, Petrucci, rudess, Portnoy and Tony Levin playing
• 1:14:35
  the bass acid rain. It's one of the best songs ever
• 1:14:38
  written in human history. Is the other of those two songs
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  that make me head bang with the keyboard.
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  Yeah. You wrote Romania and acid rain
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  by liquid tension experiment that whole album that away
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  bangers. And the Awake album is so heavy
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  like it's such a like maybe Is the guitar but it's like such a
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  like as soon as the album starts with 6 a.m. it's like it's
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  almost like a complete. If you imagine like images and
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  words is like a light kind of ballad metal record awake just
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  punches you in the face with like really powerful screaming
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  and singing like I know this is just becoming a review but I
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  don't care. I don't I love this band like I
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  really feel like they're amazing songwriters and they really get
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  across the field. Feeling in the music.
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  That's something that you don't always get with modern metal is
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  like that feeling coming across. I feel like it, a lot of it is
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  way too overproduced and it's just, you know, maybe the lyrics
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  are there but it doesn't speak to you.
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  But with dream for, I don't know.
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  I always kind of get that feeling what they're trying to
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  put across with every record. Yeah, I think it come comes down
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  to what I listen, I'm not a musician.
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  Never studied music. So don't know any of the
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  technical. I took music, but what I look
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  for in a song in music, I listen to is either a sensation or a
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  style. I really love and about Dream
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  Theater. I really love the style is the
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  same with Black Sabbath also saw them live.
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  You can see is a means to be the very last concert in Italy, in
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  Verona in 2016 amazing concert. I like their style sing with
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  Motorhead and many other bands. If I don't Don't get the the
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  style of a band with maybe maybe just like the the genre or the
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  type of thing they play. Like for instance, I love
• 1:16:37
  periphery Protest. The Hero all those, you got good
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  taste in music, man. Well done, all those progressive
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  metal modern progressive metal bands because they can surprise
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  you, mmm. And why should I listen to this?
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  Kind of things if I like Black Sabbath which are basic heavy
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  metal bit because it's a different sensation.
• 1:17:02
  Yeah. I also love I also love playing
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  violence like complete and total violence getting out of a sir
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  but in a context I'm sure you know about dating Townsend and
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  there. Yes first band.
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  Oh Robin young lad. Yeah see Yeah, a couple even
• 1:17:25
  remember that got that, the song all hail the new flesh from the
• 1:17:30
  start to the end. It's a it's so heavy even though
• 1:17:35
  it's not extreme Metal By definition, it's just pure
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  violence and I love it and it's another type of thing.
• 1:17:43
  I look for in a song. I remember growing up like that
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  was always The thing with metal was like that, if you were metal
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  fan is always like, what's the heaviest, what's the fastest
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  thing? And then when you become an
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  adult, you realize, that none of that shit matters.
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  It's more about how it makes you feel.
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  Yeah, that's what's more important and he's just true.
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  I mean, you listen to Black Sabbath.
• 1:18:02
  They are excellent song ways that is classic metal music.
• 1:18:06
  That is stands the test of time Dream Theater.
• 1:18:09
  When you're listening to, it sounds like a mixture of a
• 1:18:13
  science experiment. Or it's like intelligent music,
• 1:18:17
  but it Very emotive as well. It's got everything.
• 1:18:20
  If you take your bands that you listed like Motorhead Motorhead
• 1:18:23
  is just like you want to put on some good fucking music put that
• 1:18:26
  on and you won't be disappointed.
• 1:18:29
  You're driving you yeah. Yeah absolutely absolutely just
• 1:18:33
  gets you going. It's like good music.
• 1:18:35
  If you just want to get you just get amped up.
• 1:18:40
  I suppose is what I'm trying to say.
• 1:18:43
  But yeah I mean and at its core like music and generally that's
• 1:18:46
  how it should be. It is how it Makes you feel,
• 1:18:49
  it's like what it? What it gets out of you and and
• 1:18:52
  yeah, metal music is great for that.
• 1:18:54
  Like I don't listen to metal as much anymore but I will say
• 1:18:56
  that, every time I put it on, I always do get that amped feeling
• 1:19:01
  and often. Sometimes I just switch it on,
• 1:19:03
  just to remember that feeling because it's fun.
• 1:19:06
  I don't know. Yeah.
• 1:19:11
  It's not always about BB heaviest me.
• 1:19:12
  Neither otherwise I would listen to that metal all day and I
• 1:19:16
  don't really like him death and black metal, but when they are
• 1:19:19
  in a constant acquired taste, I'm thinking something more
• 1:19:23
  complicated. Yeah, brings this black metal
• 1:19:25
  itself. I don't really like it but I'll
• 1:19:28
  says to, you know, assess and monitor them.
• 1:19:31
  They put black metal in a context of black gays, they call
• 1:19:36
  it. So it's like metal mixed with
• 1:19:40
  This soft singing in French because they're French and
• 1:19:44
  adjusting it becomes something completely different.
• 1:19:47
  Completely new. I love it.
• 1:19:51
  Also the old, the influence the battle can have with folk with
• 1:19:56
  reggae even reggae, you know skindred.
• 1:19:58
  Yes reggae metal, Superman and electronics, Trying music, blend
• 1:20:06
  with metal, it, most of the time it works.
• 1:20:11
  Dubstep. And in metal, me, it's true.
• 1:20:14
  Actually, you can pretty much mixed Metals anything and I will
• 1:20:17
  probably work out. I mean, intrigued to see if
• 1:20:21
  anyone pulls it off with jazz though.
• 1:20:22
  That's a real test Jazz metal. While they did.
• 1:20:27
  They did do. Who did that?
• 1:20:30
  Oh, just be careful of bands. Atheist is a Band-Aid.
• 1:20:36
  They mixed in jazz with they sort of played that.
• 1:20:40
  Metal but we but Jazz Vibe. Jazzy Vibe also Scenic did
• 1:20:45
  something like that. Back in the 1980s. 1990s, I
• 1:20:48
  think and shining shining men from Norway, they play Black
• 1:20:54
  Jazz which is a swell. You have to listen to together.
• 1:21:02
  Some get a sense of what black Jazz mean, it's basically Jazz
• 1:21:07
  but under steroids and really, really manage.
• 1:21:09
  As you know, Damn. Damn, I'll link you some songs
• 1:21:14
  on, right? Yeah, please do.
• 1:21:15
  I'll definitely check all this stuff out.
• 1:21:17
  Mmm, let's move it forward again.
• 1:21:20
  I want to talk a little bit about you as a web developer.
• 1:21:23
  I know we've gone stomach's a little bit but I just want to
• 1:21:25
  explore this a little bit. So talk us through your kind of
• 1:21:28
  main responsibilities and tell us what the job is like in
• 1:21:31
  general. I don't have but much of a
• 1:21:35
  responsibility and just a regular employee and we get the
• 1:21:39
  task to be done in. We do that.
• 1:21:41
  It just three people working for this company so it's not a IT
• 1:21:47
  company. We are responsible from for some
• 1:21:52
  sites and to manage all the practices and all the documents
• 1:21:59
  of the company we work for which basically is it Open E of
• 1:22:05
  Agents. The go selling.
• 1:22:10
  Phone phone plans. Okay?
• 1:22:14
  Yeah, I don't know how to translate in.
• 1:22:17
  Yeah, Mobile phone plans basically.
• 1:22:21
  Yeah. And is it via VoIP as well?
• 1:22:24
  Or is it just straight up mobile phone systems?
• 1:22:29
  It's a lot. Lots of things.
• 1:22:30
  Also services for the companies and Etc.
• 1:22:34
  This is on a side note, I've actually been because I do
• 1:22:37
  freelance marketing and one of my clients offers VoIP, which is
• 1:22:42
  like voice over Internet Protocol, so like voice, calls,
• 1:22:49
  potato, all sorts of things, all those sort of things in terms of
• 1:22:53
  telecommunication. Yes, right.
• 1:22:55
  Yeah. And we are The the the thing and
• 1:23:01
  we managed to decides for, for the customers and for the agents
• 1:23:05
  and the offices and all the practices.
• 1:23:09
  So yeah, besides that, I when I don't have to complete the task
• 1:23:17
  for a new implementation, for some updates, we need we need to
• 1:23:22
  do. I also do some research, okay,
• 1:23:25
  on how to build a more efficient site.
• 1:23:29
  The way it's a study as well as study a lot new technologies
• 1:23:34
  because we are a bit. We want to change a little bit.
• 1:23:40
  We want to move on to some new technology.
• 1:23:42
  So it's it's my job as well. To try to build.
• 1:23:46
  What we have with build it more efficiently with the modern day
• 1:23:52
  Technologies, right? Yeah.
• 1:23:54
  And what would you say are the probably the best app aspects of
• 1:23:58
  the job? Oh, your favorite parts of the
• 1:24:01
  job? We get to listen to music and
• 1:24:04
  podcasts while we program. So when you know what to do?
• 1:24:09
  Yeah. And it's sort of becoming a no
• 1:24:12
  mechanical job and you know what?
• 1:24:15
  To write, having music blasting in a backup or in your headset.
• 1:24:20
  It is, it's beautiful. It's, it's quite a dream job.
• 1:24:26
  Yeah, and I'm 24. So being able to afford a rent,
• 1:24:33
  For the house, a car and everything, and I listen to
• 1:24:36
  music while I work. What's best?
• 1:24:41
  Really fair play man. Yeah, sometimes it is The Simple
• 1:24:43
  Pleasures in life that make it, you know, absolutely worth
• 1:24:46
  living and so on. Yeah, fair play, fair play.
• 1:24:50
  I'm not, I'm not rich yet but there's the podcast.
• 1:24:53
  Hey, you never know. Maybe one day, what would you
• 1:24:58
  say are the kind of worst aspects of the job or things
• 1:25:01
  that you're not as sort of the liking about the position?
• 1:25:05
  They can get boring? It'll times it can get boring,
• 1:25:09
  can get stressful, maybe if Have to finish a job for a certain
• 1:25:13
  day and you're struggling because you don't know how to do
• 1:25:17
  that mean, but it's just the regular stress you can get on
• 1:25:22
  any any, any kind of job. Nothing too different from any
• 1:25:27
  other job, fair enough, fair enough.
• 1:25:31
  And as we draw everything to a close today for this podcast, do
• 1:25:35
  you have any kind of upcoming projects or maybe some final
• 1:25:38
  thoughts that you'd like to share with us?
• 1:25:40
  Us. Many projects II.
• 1:25:46
  Don't know. Well, let's see.
• 1:25:49
  In the coming years. I want to build a family.
• 1:25:51
  So that's a quite Big Life project but in one step at a
• 1:25:58
  time, enjoy being young first, then we'll get to that before.
• 1:26:06
  I'm 30 for sure. Yeah, I want to move to a bigger
• 1:26:09
  house and want to regular Life. And for the podcast, I want to
• 1:26:19
  keep it going with constantly because I feel that when we
• 1:26:24
  start opening up, I will have for sure, let's spare time.
• 1:26:28
  So I want to keep it up. Yeah.
• 1:26:34
  Basically it, I really enjoyed it.
• 1:26:37
  I enjoyed you talking to you. Hey, it's been an absolute
• 1:26:41
  pleasure to have you on. Thank you so much for agreeing
• 1:26:43
  to be on the podcast everyone listening.
• 1:26:46
  Whether it be on YouTube, Spotify, app or podcasts,
• 1:26:49
  wherever you check out the Christian week podcast.
• 1:26:52
  Make sure you go and support the cappuccino at six podcast.
• 1:26:55
  I've checked out myself. It's very professionally done as
• 1:26:58
  well, put together. It's interesting and office.
• 1:27:01
  The new every time which is something I always try to do as
• 1:27:04
  well. So I absolutely think this is
• 1:27:07
  definitely worth your time listening to.
• 1:27:08
  So make sure you go out there and check it out.
• 1:27:11
  I want to say a big thank you to everyone who's been listening to
• 1:27:14
  the podcast great things to come.
• 1:27:17
  I don't normally say that. I'm normally just saying like,
• 1:27:20
  hey please do this, please do that.
• 1:27:21
  But I want to give back as much as I possibly can to you guys
• 1:27:25
  because you have been supporting the podcast and I'm and seeing
• 1:27:28
  the numbers slowly increase and stuff.
• 1:27:30
  I appreciate you. Please be vocal.
• 1:27:32
  Please tell me what you like dislike who you want to see on
• 1:27:35
  the podcast in the future what you'd like to hear us talk about
• 1:27:39
  a couple of things. I want to say is that there will
• 1:27:41
  be many more interviews in the coming month because I'm working
• 1:27:44
  like crazy right now and working with Dutch deals on trying to
• 1:27:48
  come up with some interesting topics for us to talk about when
• 1:27:50
  I'm not interviewing people. Basically there are plans and
• 1:27:54
  things in will works for this podcast.
• 1:27:56
  And yeah, it's exciting times coming ahead.
• 1:27:59
  So thank you very much for listening.
• 1:28:02
  And until next time. Peace out.
• 1:28:04
  One love also see you in the next podcast.
• 1:28:07
  Ciao.