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Learn an Ancient Path To Healing with Jampha and Tibetan Medicine · Inspiring Stories

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Thank you for listening to De Pictures Media Radio. You rat you readything to
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me? Oh well, jus well not a bad stop at So splash along
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is an all right. Our next guest Trend Hatch. He is the owner
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operator of Jumpa Pharmacy. It is a traditional Irevaic Tibetan iovac pharmacy. Trend
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with himself. He was born into a multi generational military family and protection was
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a the career choice of the family. And after over ten years of service,
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Tryn found himself in a situation where he couldn't continue on the on this
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path anymore. And his story led him to the Tibetan uh, the Tibetan
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medicines and the Tibetan cures for what he deals in today. And this particular
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pharmacy is located in Washington State where they deal in these specific medications, and
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we're going to ask him a little bit more about certain things dealing with CBD
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and terrapines and how they actually help these medications work to heal our bodies.
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So why don't we welcome Trend to the show and let's ask them some questions
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about how these these things actually work and heal us. Something we can Hey
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Trey, and welcome to the show. Why don't we start by hearing your
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story about how you got started it with Jamba and how you discovered the power
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of you know, to Tibetan are vague medicines. Yeah, well you know
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my well, like I said, my story really it began as a security
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contractor and while doing that I broke my leg really significantly and almost had to
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have it amputated. I snapped the bones at the ankle and fractured some of
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my foot bones, and the surgeons were pretty confident they couldn't repair it and
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wanted to amputate. But my mother at the time, she said, no,
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do what you can to save his leg, and they were adamant.
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They didn't want to do that, but she made them, and so they
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did three surgeries and I was in external fixation for more than three months while
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they tried to let my bones come back into some form of healing, and
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I had complications with cellulitis and infections that almost took my leg again while I
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was while I was going through the healing process, so it was pretty pre
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extend to damage and within a year of that accident, I was put on
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disability. I was no longer able to work. I was diagnosed with PDSD
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and was on about sixteen or seventeen medications daily. And I did that for
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four or five years and got to the point where my health was just deteriorating.
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Every time I'd go to the doctor with a new symptom, They'd give
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me a new medicine, and then I'd have a new interaction and some other
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symptoms pop up. And it was just this vicious cycle of never feeling in
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balance or even content that I was in a trajectory of healing. I just
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always felt this an out of balance. And so, you know, at
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that point, I was going through some things with my family and my mother.
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She had gone through a pretty serious tumor and lost her life and was
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brought back and was an invalid with loss of vision and a huge tumor in
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her brain, and so, you know, I just didn't want to be
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a burden on my family anymore, and I decided I've got to make I've
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got to make a decision on a different direction here, otherwise my life's not
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gonna not gonna get any better. And so I went out looking for alternatives
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to what I was using to try to heal myself and soon realized that plant
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medicine was where it was at, and that led me to discovering knnabinoids,
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specifically CBD and also terpines which carry that the CBD expression of healing, you
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know, in different ways to the body. And so I began investigating and
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studying myself and then applying what I'd learned to creating creating formulas that would help
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me to get off the different medications. And over the course of two years,
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I was able to do that, and that led us to starting a
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company and exploring further how we could share what we learned with others and learn
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more ourselves. Yeah. Well, one of the things that especially the pain
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killers and things like that, they come with these huge side effects and addictive
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properties that they they are given to us in western medicine, and sometimes you
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just don't want to deal with that, right. It's a vicious cycle,
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you know. I told them that I wanted to stop taking the pain medications.
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They put me on a different one, and then that other one gave
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me anxiety, and then they put me on medication. It was it was
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not fun, and that was probably the hardest things for me to stop taking
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because you become so dependent on them. Try to just get out of bed
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and go to the store and do grocery shopping without taking your medicine. And
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that was a way I didn't want to live anymore. And you know I
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now have less pain than I ever did then and I don't have to take
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any pain killers. Well it sounds like a better path, especially after such
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a huge injury. So yeah, the natural ways definitely way. It took
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time for me to really deal with those issues, but one given enough time,
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it definitely works. Yeah. I want to ask you a couple of
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questions, just just just not to go down a rabbit hole. But but
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you know, personal background on PTSD because some of those more true. There's
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Western medications they they don't help the PTSD at all. What about the Easter
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roam medications? How how they helped you heal from that? Yeah, you
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know, with with what I was able to create myself, I was able
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to deal with the symptoms and it wasn't affecting me on a regular basis,
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and it was really subdued. When we met our Tibetan physician Amschi tulton Lekshi,
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he knew that I had PDSD, and and was, you know,
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trying to heal that that aspect of my being. And he actually made a
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formula and it's called healing. Part the way the formula is described as it
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helps to clear the neural network of the heart, you know, as you
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know, and our hearts have a neural network like our brains, a very
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big one. So this formula helps to dissolve and release and let go of
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those emotions and those traumas. And you know, we've had the formula for
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about six months now, and I can say in the last six months it's
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been a physical and emotional and a spiritual process. Things just start to loosen
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and release, and things don't trigger you in the same way anymore, and
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you're able to do things that would have cause you discomfort you know before,
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related to your PDSD, and things just get lighter. And so you know,
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that formula for me personally, has been one of the most profound things
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that we've been able to create. And it works not just on the spiritual
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and emotional levels, but also on the physical levels. I had a condition
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when I was a child called acromegaly or gigantism, and so from the age
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of eleven, till twelve. I went from five foot six to six foot
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four and from about one hundred and thirty pounds to about two hundred and eighty
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pounds. So I was real and my heart had to keep up. It
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was very healthy, but I got an arrhythmia and every now and again I
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feel my heart palpitate. And I've had that my whole life and dealt with
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it, and the doctors have always said, you know, it's nothing to
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be concerned about. You have a strong heart. Just when this happens,
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do A, B and C. And you know, I dealt with it
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for a long time. But since using that formula, it's completely going away.
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The anxiety has almost disappeared, and the long standing emotions attached to the
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PDSD not just from the experience of breaking my leg, but from also compounded
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things that have happened throughout my life. Started to let go and started to
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have more spaciousness in my heart for letting good things in as the he's no
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longer served were dissolved. Yeah, no, that's something important. It's let
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in the good things into our hearts, into our lives, right, you
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know, absolutely, So it isn't just CBD, is it's other plant base.
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Yeah, CBD is very small. Yeah, CBDs are small, just
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an ingredient now. And what we do when I started it was a real
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focus and emphasis. But we came to a point in our exploration and realized
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that there was a whole ocean of minerals and botanicals out there, you know,
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other than cannabinoids and turpenes, and we weren't tapping into that. We
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had really no knowledge of how to do that, and so I enrolled in
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a PhD course to learn botanical pharmacology. And around that time we met our
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ampchi Because my wife said, why are you going to go and spend four
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or five hours a day studying when you're already working twelve hours a day.
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We're never going to see you. Can't you find somebody who can already do
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that? And I said, ah, you know, well, finding somebody
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that can do that's in alignment with what we're doing, who's going to be
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a part of a team and not try to take things over. It's going
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to be very difficult to find somebody like that that we don't already have a
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relationship with. And she said, well, let's go manifest it. And
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I said, all right, let's manifest it. And so we went on
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a trip for vacation and we were at the top of Mount Ida in Arkansas,
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where the Crystal grid is, and we just wrote down a piece of
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paper and said, you know, we were trying to do our best to
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help others, and if it's in alignment, would you help us to find
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a master of pharmacology, somebody that understands botanical and minimal medicine that can help
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us to expand and increase the expression of what we're already doing. And it
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worked. Not even two weeks later, my wife had a LinkedIn message from
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Amschi. Took to Lectui, who was a lineage holder of an ancient healing
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science from Tibet called Sua Ripa, and his message said something like, I
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see what you're doing with topines. I'm very aware of topines. I've first
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learned about these and experienced them in the seventies at Mensi, King of Dali
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Lama's medical school, and I'd like to come and visit you. And we
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had no idea what an Amchi was or anything about any of this. And
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a few weeks later he came to our facility and it was like seeing somebody
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that you'd known your whole life and I hadn't seen in a long time.
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It was one of those kind of synchronistic experiences and recognition of of, you
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know, a relationship that have been going for a lot longer than we've experienced
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just in this life. And so the two of us began to communicate and
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and awaken different things that we were both aware of and considering and offering the
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world, and came together in union and brought our companies together and co created
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a job for Tibetan Pharmacy, which is a lineage based advanced expression of Tibetan
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sewer rippor or Tibetan ar veda. And what advances that expression really is what
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we do with terpenes. Yeah, well why don't you because we keep throwing
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the terpenes around around, Uh, just just for record and it to everybody
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out there who doesn't know what that means, understand what exactly does a terpine
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do in our body to help us heal? Yeah, to give you the
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best example would be to relate it to count of terpenes are found in all
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fruits and vegetables and lots of flowers and vegetation, but in cannabis. Terpenes
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are used or proliferate in different combinations that affect healing and different experiences for the
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body. Some terpenes can have a relaxing effect. Other terpenes can have energizing
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and focus enhancing effect. But terpenes basically are constituents of plants. They're found
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in essential oils. Oftentimes one essential oil can have eight or ten, or
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you know, in some cases up to one hundred terpenes that combine into specific
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combinations that can be used to direct and support healing and really every aspect of
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healing in the body. Terpenes are generally recognized as safe by the FDA,
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so they can be consumed or as essential oils can be dangerous to consume.
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And when intelligently put together, you can align terpenes into a synergistic combination that
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supports and enhances the expression of dry botanicals. In Tibetan medicine, terpines are
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revered considered the life force entergy of plants. So when we when we dry,
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when we dry our herbs, those terpenes are lost, they evaporate most
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of them, and so what we've done is brought terpenes back into traditional formulation,
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which in essence is bringing the life force energy back into those formulas,
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which now brings them into a higher expression to address not just healing on the
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physical, but the mind, body, and spirit level. Yeah, that's
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that's an important thing to to understanding that some of the ways that we that
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we handle our botanicals that in in our western world, that we lose part
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of those life forces. Well, yeah, it's been that way, you
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know, until the hemp and the cannabis industries really have taken off, there
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hasn't been as as a focus as much of a focus on isolated terpenes to
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be able to bring them back into the formulations. And you know, even
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our Amchi, as he was studying with the Tibetan medical masters and physicians,
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he recognized that the turpens are being lost to the type of time of drying
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and mentioned that to the Lama teaching physicians and they also, you know,
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understood that that was the case. And so he's been waiting for the time
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when it would be possible to bring these life force energies back into traditional formulations
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and gratefully that time is now. Yeah. Yeah, life force is an
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important part of that is that key energy right m. So we had a
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we had an interesting experience. We took the formulas to to NAMA, which
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is the North American Araveda Medical Association and presented to a physician there who's the
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head a Vedic physician in America's name is doctor Vassaint Laud, and he had
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one of his students bringing a Vedic testing device to test the life force energy
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in different formulas. And they tested one of our formulas called Rosegold diamond sulogy
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and in comparison to other botanicals that are of any practitioners used, which tested
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about nine hundred million life force units. How formula tested at seven point seven
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trillion, which is the highest they've ever seen. I had to actually do
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a manual scan with this device to get that number. When they tested a
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two weeks later, the number had increased. So somehow the life force energy
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in the bottle was actually increasing over time, and that's largely due to the
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nano pharmaceutical nanodiamonds that are included in that formula and also the quality of the
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shrilogy, which is prepared in the way it has been done for more than
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twenty five hundred years as taught by the medicine Buddha to really bring the brilliance
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of that formula into its highest expression. Yeah. Yeah, Now what's kind
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of funny is is most people can't as a number, right, most people
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can't fathom past one million. It's no it and it's it's not it's it
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did for those of you listening, that's not an insulting thing. It's it's
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just that in order for for us to count to one trillion, it would
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take numerous lifetimes to get there if we were to count by one by one
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by one. And so there's a reason why we just can't truly fathom a
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number of that size. And I think my eyeballs about bugged out of my
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head when you said sid up to a trillion, Well so seven point seven
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trillion, and last I checked it was close to it's not over ten trillion.
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So the numbers continued to go. So we were just invited actually yesterday
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to the NORMA conference in in Vail, Colorado, in May so that we
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can present there. So we've we've been able to awaken the curiousity. Do
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you have a lot of these physicians, these aready physicians, and now they
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once incorporate what we're doing into their practice, which is way beautiful considering our
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Veda and sua Ripa have really developed kind of in parallel lanes for thousands of
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years. Yeah, and one into bed. Yeah. And the thing is
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is, it's like in the Western world, most people think of Ireveda just
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as chakras and karma and stuff like that. But there's a whole science,
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ancient science behind this. And when you say ancient, well that there can't
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be really any ancient science because there's no ancient technology. But there is an
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ancient science because they studied how life forces combine themselves together. And if we
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we had to understand science means to study and and they've uh these they've been
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recording what they've what they've observed and seen for thousands of years, and this
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comes out in the benefit of your medicine, right. Yeah. One of
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the most interesting parts of the lineage of Surigba to me is the communication that
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happens between the botanical mineral kingdoms and the physicians. There's an open communication that
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they're taught and understand where they're not just throwing things from nature together and hoping
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for the best, but they're actually taking the influence and information that's coming from
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nature and from these kingdoms to incorporate into their formulation, which brings a profound
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added dimension of feeling potential that I haven't found in any other ethnobotanical practice I've
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experienced today. Wow, that sounds like pretty amazing stuff. And the thing
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is your beast in Blaine, Washington, right we are. We're based in
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Blaine, Washington. We have an apothecary on Orchests Island and the San Juan
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Islands here that's been operating for about thirty years. Yeah, we're not far
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away. You just have the border from us. Yeah. Just remind you
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everybody that we are actually recording this in British Columbia. So for the most
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part where I sit in British Columbia, we are next door neighbors. We
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could actually go to the border and shake hands, we could. That would
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be fun. Yeah. So we how it must have taken you a lot
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of study that to to actually start to discover these things. Yeah. I
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mean it was personal discovery for me because I was I was desperate and hopeless
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and wanted to find a way out of my my medications that I was taking.
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And you know, CBD got me a long way closer to doing that.
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My whole journey with CBD is a whole other story. You know.
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I was involved in that industry for about four years, but I wasn't able
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to to uh continue all of the all of the formulas were helping me to
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get better, but I would continue to need them some of them anyway,
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to continue the benefits. But I just really felt that there had to be
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a system out there that could help somebody into a healing trajectory that can be
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supported just by the things you do in your lifestyle without having to take,
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you know, a bunch of substances outside of what you're eating to keep yourself
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healthy. And that's really one of the beauties of suribba is the close combination
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of diet and meditation and also taking the right hebal and mineral supplements to really
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achieve balance of mind, body, and spirit. And I was missing that,
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you know. I was addressing the physical aspects of healing, but wasn't
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really looking at the trauma or the physical or the spiritual aspects and emotional aspects.
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And until I addressed those, it really wasn't a complete healing. And
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learning that lesson has been empowering to be able to share that and assist others
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on a similar path. Yeah, so unre clear of a couple of taboos
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here because a lot of people still in both Canada and in the US,
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especially when you talk about cannabis, you think you're just trying to get high.
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Now, there's a distinct difference between CBD and the THHD, this substance
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that actually makes a person high. We go so that way. Yeah,
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Well, you know, CBDs comes from the hint plant, which has less
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than point three percent to see it. Cannabis can have upwards of thirty percent
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see there, and very small amounts of CBD if any. We used to
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use quite a bit CBD in our formulas, but since we've we've been working
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with OMG, we've changed the direction of how we use CBD. Now it's
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more of just an ingredient and it really opens up cellular communication. But to
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give you an example, our original formulations had fifty milligrams of CBD per mile.
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Our current formulations have one milligram of CBD per mill That's all that's needed
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in entourage with the botanicals that we use to give the same effect, and
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so it's it's it's a great product. If you're getting it from a good
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source. When i'm when i'm what I'm speaking of is organic CBD from hemp.
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You just want to make sure that you're getting something that's been tested for
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pesticides and heavy metals, because unfortunately there's a lot of product that are tainted
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with that. But when you get a clean and a clear product, CBD
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can be extremely beneficial for your health. We use it for reducing cortisol levels
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and also for acting as a key to unlock greater and en hand cellular communication,
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which which supports healing on another level. Yeah, let me see saiular
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communication. Each cell has to talk to each other in order for it to
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produce the reproduce healing cells. Right, that's right. Yeah, make that
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process is in inefficient as possible, and you know, people start healing and
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cellular turnover happens and we start seeing healthy cells and that is usually the beginning
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of a powerful healing trajectory. And with what we do, you know,
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supporting our customers, it's to really want to awaken the natural healing systems within
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them, which CBD does help to do with some of the formulas, and
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then supporting that healing process with the botanicals and the minerals that we'll get the
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job done. But awakening that inner healer is really the key that I found.
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When that happens for somebody, they start to take ownership and sovereignty of
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their own health and make more informed decisions, and things start to change,
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and degenerative trajectory can quickly turn into a regenerative one. That's an important thing
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they not, you know, because I think that a lot of Western medicine
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they just watch you decline and well in the say well, that's just the
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way it is, and it's going to You're going to keep going down and
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you know to a certain point. Yeah, well yeah, it's it's a
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slippery slope. You know. I was thirty five when I was on disability.
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You know, I more than half of my life, and as far
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as they were concerned, go home and get comfortable, like you know,
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I still get letters offering me benefits. It's an ongoing even though I don't
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need anything. So I had to snap myself out of that. And even
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after I've been out of disability for more than five years, they're still trying
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to pull me back in and come and have a meeting. We'll give you
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more benefits and no, I'm good, but it's a slippery slope. And
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if you're not paying attention to what's really going on with your body when you're
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taking pharmaceuticals, you can end up in a in a world of hurt just
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from the symptoms of the interactions that are having. Yeah, no, you
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just said something important there. How important is it that we actually pay attention
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to our own bodies and have that and try to have an intelligent discussion with
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with our doctors about what our bodies are actually doing. It's imperative. You
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know, the more information that you can give your physician, the more accurative,
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accurate diagnosis that they can make. It's it's a lot of physicians are,
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in my experience that we work with now are moving into a mind,
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body and spirit focus for helping their people to heal because as things get more
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complex, they're the conventional medicines are not even working for the symptoms and causing
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more interactions than they're helping. And so, you know, we find even
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medical doctors looking for alternatives for their for their patients because what they have available
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to them isn't working. You know, Tibetan medicine is considered safe. It's
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based on a premise of doing no harm and so there aren't any interactions.
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We don't have. In all the time we've been working with Tibetan medicine,
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I haven't had a single interaction that's caused anybody in adverse reaction. It's very
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safe. It works directly with the biochemistry of your own body, which means
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your bodies your body is able to take and use what it needs and remove
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what it doesn't and that's really really important to the healing process. Yeah,
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ultimately, what are you trying to build with Jampa for our community. Well,
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Jumpa is really it's a bet and word that means loving kindness, and
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that's what we're creating is a field of loving kindness where it's inclusive. Anybody
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can come, anybody who needs assistance on their healing journey than we're here to
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support them. You know. We want to make an alternative for people that's
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safe and efficient and based on the principles of nature, following in the footsteps
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of sewer Rigpa, which has had applied insight by many, many, many
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master physicians for thousands of years, and so we want to make that available
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to everybody and try to make it as affordable as possible. You know,
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we've become the only distributors of traditional Tibetan pill medicines and what are called Rinch
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and Precious Jewel pills, which are the pills that are created in the Tibetan
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Buddhist monasteries, the medical monasteries in Nepal, and in Bhutan and in Siberia,
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and those pills are the epitome of Eastern pharmacology. They're Western pharmacology is
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very different. The Eastern pharmacology contains botanicals but also minerals like crystals and purified
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precious metals, things that you wouldn't find in conventional pharmaceuticals. The Rinch and
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Precious pills are profound. I've had experiences with those just in five or ten
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pills, with people changing a trajectory where they're going to be stuck in a
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wheelchair for life, to be able to get out of wheelchair and walk.
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We just spoke with a stroke stroke survivor yesterday. She started taking the rinch
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in Jumar twenty five, which is for post stroke victims, and she's been
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able to start walking again when her carriage started achieved in a wheelchair. So
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there is profound support that's available not only from the formulas that we've created ourselves,
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but also from the pills and precious steel rynching pills that we distribute directly
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from the monasteries. Okay, So with what you're saying with some of the
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pills, that there are minerals that our body will absorb directly by taking the
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pill. Yes, Okay, that's something I didn't know. I knew that,
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Like, like I use Hemalayan salt as well as sea salt in different
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things when I cook and things like that, and I also use the combination
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of this a similar combination of both Himalayan and sea salt to describe my hands
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with in first thing in the morning, to slap off those and to put
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the minerals back and from all the detergents and things that we use in our
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daily lives. You know, they sucks all the fats in those good minerals
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out of our out of our out of our skin, you know. But
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I didn't know about being other minerals. I was like, yeah, I
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mean, I don't understand the pharmacology. That's more of Amschi's department completely.
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But you know, I've used these pills myself and even for my family members
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and extraordinary. To give an example, we have one called Chuckle tenma,
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which is an eye pill for people with cataracts will come. It's pretty much
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anything related to the eye. And I have a mother who had a pinion
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galantern and lost her vision, and she has taken those pills along with another
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formula called White Elephant, and she's been able to regain thirty five percent of
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revision in one i and fifty percent in the other. You know, I
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can't say that it was just the pills that did that, but it's profound
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that that that's the type of sperience that people have when taking these medicines,
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you know. And I use the rinch In Jumar twenty five pill, which
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is the one that's for the brain and nervous system, and that helps reset
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everything so that I'd be able to be more active and have more energy and
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structural issues that have affected me my whole life have largely resolved themselves, and
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that was not possible until I use those pills. Wow. You and you
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also said that there's fewer side effects, if any at all. Yeah,
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I mean, I've never I haven't experienced any side effects from any of our
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formulas. I talked to physicians and customers, you know, many many in
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a day, and we don't have reports of side effects or interactions even when
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they're taking their medicines with with pharmaceuticals, you know, complex pharmaceuticals that have
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lots of potential side effects, they'll take them and they will not cause any
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interactions. They'll actually, in most cases increase the expression of whatever pharmaceuticals are
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on and help to keep the symptoms or the interactions that they hm. That
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makes a lot of sense too, because I've known people that were taking pharmaceuticals
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for certain conditions and everything, and then they would reach out to to find
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whatever the botanical was, the sat on on on on whatever drugstore shelf right,
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and they were kind of overdosing themselves. So it's more important that they
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should work with somebody like Jampa, work with you guys, so that they
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can come with the with something that balances the whole thing out right, rather
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than trying to take the same thing. Yeah. I mean, it's like,
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you know, if you're taking a bunch of supplements from different places,
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they all have their own production methods. Different formulas will synergize with different supplements,
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and you you're always hoping that those things will kind of balance themselves out
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well. With Tibetans, and everything works in synergy, you know. So
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some customers will use up to six or eight formulas in a day and create
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a protocol for healing complex chronic conditions and also dealing with the symptoms, and
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those formulas will work in perfect synergy with each other and within within a short
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amount of time usually they can feel a shift and movement into a healing trajectory.
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And so, you know, it's not the same with pharmaceuticals. You
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take eight different pharmaceuticals, you're bound to have some kind of reactions and some
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kind of discomfort that's associated with it, even though you're feeling some of the
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symptoms start to resolve themselves. But that's not the case with with Tibetan medicine,
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which is which is wonderful as far as minerals and things like that.
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You know, there's the one formula that's been used in Eastern medicine for thousands
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of years is Trilogy, and I would just encourage anybody that's listening to look
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into that. A mineral substance from the Himalayas that's been revered as a destroyer
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of weakness and conquered mountains in the ancient medical citrus. Hmm, very cool.
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So yeah, as we're starting to run out of time here forever,
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Yeah, yeah, it's if we can keep going and find more and more
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interesting things. Right, Well, what takes I think I skirted the issues
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issue already. Ultimately you would. Ultimately you're you're trying to get these medications
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out there so that they can heal most of the world around you, right
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yeah. I mean our original attention was to awaken the master healer within and
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offering healing to the whole world based on what we've we've we've we've created and
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will continue to create. We just want people to have an alternative that's safe
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and based on a system that's had applied insight and understanding and wisdom that's been
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cultivated for enough time, or we can ensure that people's experience will be safe
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and you know, focused on physical, emotional, and spiritual healing all at
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once and rather than one at the same time. And I think that's really
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what's been missing in most of the world for a long time, is we're
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missing that element of spiritual healing and what we're addressing physically and emotionally, and
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until that's addressed, you know, in unison with the other two, then
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at least in my own experience, full healing has not been possible. I
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had to really address what was going on in my heart before my body could
36:37
release the things that were still being held. And so that aspect of Tibetan
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medicine is what's really become closest to my heart, is the emotional and the
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spiritual aspect of the healing potential that the formulas offer very cool. Best ways
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us, all right, all right, we'll find uh most of the information
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You know we're using using their formulas. So yeah, thanks Tren for joining
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