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Allison Stieger · Postcards to the Universe

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa Capria. Do
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  Speaker 1: you believe in magic? What if you were told that
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  Speaker 1: all you had to do was get a little creative
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  Speaker 1: and work a magic spell to bring anything you can
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  Speaker 1: imagine into your life. Here on Postcards to the Universe,
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  Speaker 1: we will share manifesting tips, postcards, creativity, abundance, and prosperity.
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  Speaker 1: Here is your host, Melissa Caprill.
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  Speaker 2: Hi everybody, and welcome to Postcards to the Universe with
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  Speaker 2: Melissa creating the life you crave. How are you guys doing.
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  Speaker 2: It's Wednesday. I hope everybody is doing well.
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  Speaker 3: Today. I have really interesting gus.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited to speak with her today, storyteller Mythologists, and
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  Speaker 2: she's also an author, Alison Steeger, and we're going to talk.
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  Speaker 2: She's got an upcoming book, Unstuck, Finding and Following your
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  Speaker 2: Path through the Heroic Journey, and we're going to talk
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  Speaker 2: about a little bit about that and some of her
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  Speaker 2: courses in the thing. She's teaching us through mythology, which
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  Speaker 2: has always been interesting to me, so I'm excited to
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  Speaker 2: find out more. And she's going to join me here
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  Speaker 2: in just a couple of minutes to my regular thank
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  Speaker 2: you so much for joining me each week. It means
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  Speaker 2: a lot to me and I get your emails and
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  Speaker 2: your comments, and I appreciate it that you're enjoying the show.
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  Speaker 2: If you're new to the show, I want to say welcome.
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  Speaker 2: And I also put every show.
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  Speaker 3: On on my.
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  Speaker 2: Website Postcards to the Universe dot com, and it's under podcasts,
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  Speaker 2: and like I said, there's always a description.
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  Speaker 3: So if something catches.
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  Speaker 2: Your interest and you want to check it out, please do,
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  Speaker 2: or you can, like I said, subscribe on any of
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  Speaker 2: your favorite podcasting platforms. Just a little bit about me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm an author, I'm a photographer. I have a book
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  Speaker 2: titled Postcards to the Universe, Harness the Universe's power and
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  Speaker 2: manifest your dreams, and I talk all about manifesting consciously
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  Speaker 2: co creating with the universe, and I have people create
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  Speaker 2: manifesting postcards, which is kind of like a mini vision board,
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  Speaker 2: and then they send them to me, I photograph them
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  Speaker 2: and then I share their story when their manifestation shows
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  Speaker 2: up in their reality. And I'm always asking each week
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  Speaker 2: for people to send me a manifesting postcard. They're really
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  Speaker 2: fun to do, to tap into that creative energy which
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  Speaker 2: is very powerful.
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  Speaker 3: And if you want help with that, or if you're.
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  Speaker 2: You need to know the address, or you want you
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  Speaker 2: have questions, just go to postcards to universe dot com.
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  Speaker 2: I have a little section that tells you how to
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  Speaker 2: create one, how to set your space, the address, where
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  Speaker 2: to send it, and of course my email if you want.
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  Speaker 3: To ask me anything.
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  Speaker 2: And I really do enjoy getting them, and I think
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  Speaker 2: collectively we need to be co creating for a kinder
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  Speaker 2: Earth for all of us here right now.
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  Speaker 3: So let's put our intention there.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk to Alison, because I have a feeling
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  Speaker 2: she's going to be sharing some really interesting things about
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  Speaker 2: these mythological stories that we've heard from our childhood or
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  Speaker 2: from school, and how we can use some of those
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  Speaker 2: to deal with some of the things that are happening today.
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  Speaker 2: So let me just give you a little info on Alison. So,
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  Speaker 2: Alison Steeger is an acclaimed expert on the topic of mythology, storytelling,
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  Speaker 2: and personal transferm through narrative shaping. She holds a master's
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  Speaker 2: degree in Mythological Studies from Pacific Graduate Institute and has
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  Speaker 2: more than twenty years of experience at mythic stories, working
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  Speaker 2: with individuals of all ages and from all walks of
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  Speaker 2: life on crafting the narrative structure of their lives using
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  Speaker 2: powerful life changing lessons from myths the world over. She
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  Speaker 2: has learned firsthand what the power of myth can do
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  Speaker 2: in the guidance of a human life, and her passion
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  Speaker 2: and mission is in sharing these loving and ancient gifts
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  Speaker 2: from our ancestors that are designed to show us how
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  Speaker 2: to navigate our lives successfully. Through their examples, Allison's warm
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  Speaker 2: and welcoming demeanor creates a safe space for her clients
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  Speaker 2: and students to walk through, walk through, and be transformed
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  Speaker 2: by some of the most challenging moments in their lives.
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  Speaker 2: She is renowned for her ability to guide and mentor
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  Speaker 2: those who work with her. Her upcoming book, Unstuck Finding
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  Speaker 2: and Following Your Path through the Heroic Journey will bring
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  Speaker 2: her mentorship to a wider audience, and she is deeply
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  Speaker 2: committed to ensuring that every human who finds themselves lost
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  Speaker 2: along the way has the guideposts they need to find
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  Speaker 2: their way through. And if you want to find out
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  Speaker 2: more about Alison, go to her website. There's tons of
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  Speaker 2: information on her website. It's Mythic Stories dot com. That's
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  Speaker 2: Mythic m y T Hic Stories st O R I
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  Speaker 2: E S dot com. Welcome Alison, Thanks so much for
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  Speaker 2: being here with me today.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much for having me. I'm so
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  Speaker 4: thrilled to be here.
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited to talk about this.
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  Speaker 2: I've always I remember being in high school and studily
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  Speaker 2: studying some of these stories, and they've always fascinated me.
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  Speaker 3: How did you get into this kind of work?
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  Speaker 5: Like?
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  Speaker 2: What inspired it? If you see a story and it
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  Speaker 2: resonated with your own life and then you said I
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  Speaker 2: need to delve deeper into this, Like how does that happen?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, it was so interesting because I had,
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  Speaker 4: looking back now, a much more mythic childhood than I
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  Speaker 4: really realized at the time. My dad moved our family
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  Speaker 4: from California to Alaska when he could be a bush
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  Speaker 4: pilot when I was a year old, and I ended
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  Speaker 4: up in this very powerful landscape. It was almost like
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  Speaker 4: something out of Worried the Rings or something, with these
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  Speaker 4: enormous mountains and being around bears and mountain goats and
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  Speaker 4: you know, all these crazy adventures that we had when
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  Speaker 4: I was growing up, and my dad was a fantastic
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  Speaker 4: storyteller and my mom was this inveterate reader who just
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  Speaker 4: kind of gave me this love for the written word.
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  Speaker 4: So I was kind of constantly being buffeted by strands
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  Speaker 4: of story and every aspect of my life. And then
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  Speaker 4: they went through this basically mythic divorce when I was five,
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  Speaker 4: and stories were the thing that got me through that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it was really terrible. They both kidnapped my
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  Speaker 4: brother and me. It was terrible, But the stories were
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  Speaker 4: the thing that saved me. Right. It was a place
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  Speaker 4: that I could go, I could read, I could be
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  Speaker 4: in books, and I could kind of find myself into
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  Speaker 4: another person narrative or another place and another person's imagination.
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  Speaker 4: And it gave me a little bit of a respit.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that anybody who's ever read a really
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  Speaker 4: good book, which I hope is most of us, really
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  Speaker 4: knows what that feels like. Right. This can be a
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  Speaker 4: thing that saves us or teaches us what we need
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  Speaker 4: to know. So I had, you know, I had all
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  Speaker 4: of these wonderful friends on the page, and that was
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  Speaker 4: just always such a comfort for me. But then I
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  Speaker 4: got older and I started studying more widely, studying psychology, anthropology, religion,
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  Speaker 4: and I was just trying to figure out my own life.
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  Speaker 4: Like I got out of college and I was absolutely aimless.
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  Speaker 4: I had no idea what to do with myself, and
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  Speaker 4: I kind of had this sense that there were certain
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  Speaker 4: things that was supposed to want, like you know, finding
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  Speaker 4: a partner, getting a career or a house, you know,
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  Speaker 4: having you know, this very vague sense that these were
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  Speaker 4: things that were expected of me, and I did kind
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  Speaker 4: of want them vaguely, but I didn't know what I
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  Speaker 4: was doing, like a lot of people in their twenties,
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  Speaker 4: and stories were the thing that I always knew to
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  Speaker 4: turn to, and it was it was coming to an
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  Speaker 4: understanding of these what are really sacred texts had to
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  Speaker 4: offer to me because I would read them and they
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  Speaker 4: were exciting and they were thrilling, and they were romantic
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  Speaker 4: and hilarious and they were you know, scary, and all
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  Speaker 4: these things were happening. But what they were also doing.
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  Speaker 4: I started to figure out is they were showing me
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  Speaker 4: how people that came on the planet before me navigated
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  Speaker 4: some of these moments that we all face in our lives.
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  Speaker 4: And I got a little bit older, and I discovered
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  Speaker 4: the work of this guy named Joseph Campbell, which led
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  Speaker 4: me to Carl Jung's work and a lot of other
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  Speaker 4: thinkers around this, and it showed me that all of
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  Speaker 4: these strands of things that I'd been studying that I
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  Speaker 4: sound really important, like how do we seek meaning in
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  Speaker 4: our lives? How do we figure out how to navigate
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  Speaker 4: the hardest moments in our lives? What tools do we
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  Speaker 4: have to help us? And it was all there in
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  Speaker 4: these stories. And you know we know this to be
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  Speaker 4: true too, Right, if you want to communicate something to
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  Speaker 4: a human being, the best thing that you can do
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  Speaker 4: is tell them the story. That is the most powerful
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  Speaker 4: communicative tool that we have. If you make it interesting,
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  Speaker 4: if you give it a compelling narrative, that's how you
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  Speaker 4: get the information into somebody else's head. So this is
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  Speaker 4: what we've been doing for millennia. Right, Well, we have
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  Speaker 4: something that somebody that lived before figured out, or maybe
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  Speaker 4: they want to be a cautionary tale and they say,
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  Speaker 4: you know, really, don't do it like this. We did
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  Speaker 4: it and it was a disaster. They will share that
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  Speaker 4: on in a story. And the most powerful of those
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  Speaker 4: stories are the ones that we now know as myths, right,
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  Speaker 4: They are the ones that lasted because they had such
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  Speaker 4: a deep resonance for the human imagination and the human psyche.
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  Speaker 4: But we, you know, we all study them. When we're
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  Speaker 4: like eleven, maybe we read you know, maybe if it
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  Speaker 4: really captures our imagination, maybe we'll read extra. You know
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  Speaker 4: a lot of kids, and you have taught kids of
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  Speaker 4: this age, there are some kids that just really get
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  Speaker 4: caught at a round like eight to thirteen with this
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  Speaker 4: idea of what myths are. And that's exactly the age
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  Speaker 4: where you're starting to sort of separate psychologically from your
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  Speaker 4: parents and your family and you start to think of
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  Speaker 4: yourself as an individual person. And those stories have a
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  Speaker 4: lot of appeal to us because they're showing us what
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  Speaker 4: to do. And what I find so powerful about them is,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we talk so much about generational trauma and
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  Speaker 4: the things that come down to us through our families
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  Speaker 4: that are hard and that we have to overcome, but
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  Speaker 4: we have so much more than that. We have these
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  Speaker 4: beautiful examples told in the form of a story where
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  Speaker 4: they say, Okay, we figured out something really, really cool,
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  Speaker 4: and we're so excited about what we learned that we
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  Speaker 4: really want to pass that on to you and give
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  Speaker 4: you this gift of knowledge and wisdom that we've gained
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  Speaker 4: through our experiences. So we're going to tell you this
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  Speaker 4: fantastic story, and it's going to have monsters and romance
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  Speaker 4: and jokes and all this cool stuff, but it's also
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  Speaker 4: going to show you what to do. And if you
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  Speaker 4: pay attention, excuse me, wish we don't because we kind
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  Speaker 4: of abandon this when we maybe get to age fourteen
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  Speaker 4: or whatever. That will teach you what to do. And
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  Speaker 4: I learned that if I read the myths with the
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  Speaker 4: right kind of an eye, I could figure out everything
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  Speaker 4: in my life. And my childhood was challenging in a
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  Speaker 4: lot of ways, and I was really aimless, and I
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  Speaker 4: was able to create an amazing life for myself and
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  Speaker 4: one that I never thought that I would ever have
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  Speaker 4: in a million years. And Myths for what showed me
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  Speaker 4: how to do that. So now I get to have
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  Speaker 4: the privilege of everything that I've learned and sharing that
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  Speaker 4: on with other people that are figuring out for themselves.
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  Speaker 3: I love that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, stories and reading has saved me too, actually, and
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  Speaker 2: the hardest times in my lives, I get lost in
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  Speaker 2: books and that and I always tell everybody that that
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  Speaker 2: saved me. Books saved me at the worst.
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  Speaker 3: I think of my life.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, think about what a book is, right, or any
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  Speaker 4: other piece of art. Somebody sat down and they were scared,
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  Speaker 4: and they didn't think they might be any good, but
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  Speaker 4: they wrote it anyway, and they created an artifact that
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  Speaker 4: they left behind that now can bring comfort and succored
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  Speaker 4: to somebody else or teach them what they need to know,
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  Speaker 4: like if they didn't have the courage to go through that.
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  Speaker 4: This is what I call the heroic journey right to say, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: I have this idea and I want to share it.
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  Speaker 4: I have this impulse to want to share it on
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to paint it or I'm going to you know,
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  Speaker 4: dance it, or I'm going to write it, or I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to do whatever, and I'm going to leave this
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  Speaker 4: behind and it's going to bring something that somebody else needs.
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  Speaker 4: And we are all the product of every bit of
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  Speaker 4: that that we've ever read like any book you've ever read,
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  Speaker 4: any piece of art that has ever really moved you.
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  Speaker 4: You know, these amazing conversations that sometimes we have with people,
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  Speaker 4: these are all gifts from the ancestors. And what I
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  Speaker 4: love to talk about with this work, this is what
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  Speaker 4: I'm psyched about, is to say, Okay, you know what,
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  Speaker 4: you have all the help you need to figure out
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  Speaker 4: how to get through the most difficult moments of your life.
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  Speaker 4: And if you are lucky, what you get to do
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  Speaker 4: is be transformed by what you've gone through, and now
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  Speaker 4: you have something to offer somebody else. So we go
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  Speaker 4: through this process where we start off on this road
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  Speaker 4: journey and we are the hero, but as we grow
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  Speaker 4: through that, now we have something to offer back to
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  Speaker 4: the community. To me, it's the most sacred duty that
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  Speaker 4: any human can aspire to. It's to say, Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to take this trauma and this terrible thing that's
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  Speaker 4: happening to me. It could be a diagnosis, or a divorce,
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  Speaker 4: or just any really hard thing where you change from
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  Speaker 4: one state of being to another. You're not the person
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  Speaker 4: you were before, and now you have something that you've
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  Speaker 4: learned from that it's going to be able to help
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  Speaker 4: somebody else down the road, and you don't have to
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  Speaker 4: write the great American novel or do anything. It could
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  Speaker 4: be a conversation with somebody else at a bus stop.
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  Speaker 4: You never know when you're providing comfort or providing that
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  Speaker 4: thing that that other person needs desperately. We affect each
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  Speaker 4: other in these ways all the time. And this is
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  Speaker 4: the power of what myths show us how to do. Right,
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  Speaker 4: if we can understand how to navigate this, how to
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  Speaker 4: shift our perception about our own stories so that we
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  Speaker 4: can do that, this is what the myths had been
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  Speaker 4: teaching us how to do for millennia, and this is
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  Speaker 4: the real power of this work.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with you, and I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: ask about because I think, like you said, something like,
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  Speaker 2: when you were in your twenties, you're walking around aimless.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of us are, you know not
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  Speaker 2: many of us know what we're going to do from
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  Speaker 2: childhood and then we just fall into it. Most of
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  Speaker 2: us are wandering aimlessly. We don't understand, you know, who
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  Speaker 2: we are, our place in the world, our own identity.
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  Speaker 2: And you talk about the archetypes and identity and finding
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  Speaker 2: ourselves through these you know, these stories.
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  Speaker 3: And these mythological characters. Can you share a little.
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  Speaker 2: Bit about that in a little bit more detail for
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  Speaker 2: everybody who's listening.
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  Speaker 4: Now, yeah, of course. Well okay, So we all come
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  Speaker 4: to a time in our life when we don't know
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  Speaker 4: what's coming next, right, and you know, we have ideas
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  Speaker 4: of what it is that we might want to seek.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm running into that myself.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 4: I have two teenage sons, and I've been in this
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  Speaker 4: mom role for so long, and now my son's going
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  Speaker 4: to college in the fall, and I have to find
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  Speaker 4: it almost like a new identity for myself. It changes,
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  Speaker 4: and it's not that my relationship with them is, but
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  Speaker 4: they don't need me the way that they used to
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  Speaker 4: ten years ago. So now I have to recognize that
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  Speaker 4: that active part of my life that I love so
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  Speaker 4: much is changing, and I have to find a new
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  Speaker 4: pass forward. But the beauty of it is is all
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  Speaker 4: in the miss and it's actually all in the archetypes.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm glad that you said that word, because part
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  Speaker 4: of the work that I'm doing here is to talk
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  Speaker 4: about how archetypes influence us. I think it's much broader
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  Speaker 4: than we've ever really understood before because what we often
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  Speaker 4: do is we see each other as archetypes instead of
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  Speaker 4: as human beings because it's so much easier to do
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  Speaker 4: it that right way, right, like, I'm going to see
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  Speaker 4: you as the role that you see in my life,
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  Speaker 4: or we see other people that way, right, So you're
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  Speaker 4: my mom, or you're my child, or you're my friend,
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  Speaker 4: or you're my enemy or whatever you are, because you know,
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  Speaker 4: it takes a lot of energy to really see another
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  Speaker 4: human being deeply, right, and we don't really want to
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  Speaker 4: commit to that a lot of the time, so we
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  Speaker 4: just say, okay, well you're you're whatever now and that
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  Speaker 4: I've decided that you are. And and so we have
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  Speaker 4: this archetypal energy that we sort of inhabit and that
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  Speaker 4: other people inhabit as well. And once we start to
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  Speaker 4: understand that the ways in which we hold archetypal energy,
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  Speaker 4: then we can start to navigate well, okay, yes, you're
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  Speaker 4: my six year old child. I am the mother archetype.
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  Speaker 4: And that's really sometimes what a child sees. They only
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  Speaker 4: see the mother archetype. They don't see the flawed and
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  Speaker 4: vulnerable human being on the inside of that. All they
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  Speaker 4: see is the archetype. And this really helped me figuring
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  Speaker 4: this out as I was parenting teenagers as they were
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  Speaker 4: going through puberty and whatever. Sometimes that's all we see
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  Speaker 4: is the archetype. Sometimes they see me. And once they
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  Speaker 4: started to be able to recognize when that was changing
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  Speaker 4: and it's just constantly, then I could be there for
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  Speaker 4: them in different ways, right, And I think that this
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  Speaker 4: happens a lot. So you know, if you're dating, say,
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: and you meet somebody and the person says, you know,
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: you remind me so much of my ex thesar is,
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: you're going to be treated like whatever archetype that person
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: was holding for them. So if you recognize that, like,
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: you know, I know a lot of women and you know,
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: maybe ment you, but I see this a lot, like
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: they're seen as caregivers only, or you don't want to
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: be the mom for someone, right, And that's and it's
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: really a compelling anybody wants to be cared for, But
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: it's kind of a slip backwards into the child archetype
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: to say, you just take care of everything and I'm
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: just gonna you know, I don't want to do anything.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna put that on you. Well, if you have
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: the archetype language to navigate this, you can say well,
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: I can be this for you sometimes, or I can
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: be this for you never, or you know, knowing what
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: it is, what space you're holding for another person allows
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: you to start to have those conversations about Okay, you
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: see me as this or I feel like I am
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: this for you or you or this for me or whatever.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: Then now we can say, okay, I need you to
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: act we really see me and I need you to
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: step into your own archetypal energy in that way, because
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: sometimes if we hold onto the archetype too much, then
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: we contain You know that contains an archetypes have a
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: lot of power, right, so to hold onto it too much.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Then if you just really want to be the mother
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: archetype and you will not let your child out of
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: the child archetype even though they're thirty five years old
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: or whatever, then you are being unwilling to see the
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: power of the archetype to that person. So if you
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: have someone in your life that needs to step up
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: into a role, you have to be willing to let
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: go of the power of what you've been holding and
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: give it over to them for the benefit of their
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: growth into their own individuation or whatever. So recognizing how
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: we hold archetypal energy and when we need to let
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: it go and when we need to grab onto. It
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: is a really really useful tool when people behave are
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: behaving in ways that don't make sense, and sometimes I
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: think we behave in ways that don't make sense because
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: if you look at it this way, if someone like
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: doing that doesn't make sense to you, if you understand
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: the archetype that they're operating under, then it starts to
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: become clear.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: And we all see it, right, we all see it like, yeah,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: like how many people have you know? We see it
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: on a global scale. We see it in our own lives,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Like how many people do you know that have the
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: martyr archetype?
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Right? Or the victim or the victim archetype?
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: We see that really big on the global scale. So yeah,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: so share a little bit as you're getting into this
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: more about one of the what are the classic archetypes
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: that sort of we all come across or maybe we're
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: being ourselves.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: You know that people don't even.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Realize that it's it's considered an archetype. And I learned
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: about archetypes very got very in depth through Carolyn Mace
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: because she wrote a whole book about it, and then
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I really kind of understood them, and I started to
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: see myself and I started to see people I know.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: And you know, it's like, oh, that's really interesting.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: You learn things about yourself by by by following these stories.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, so I want to hear.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I appreciate you bringing up Carol and
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Mace because I started to you know, I started it
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: the work with archetypes in grad school of studying Carlim's work.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: He was kind of the originator of that. But the
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: way that she talked about it that I really appreciated
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: is that she identifies that each archetype has both a
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: light and a shadow aspect. Right, So anything, you know,
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: you can be an archetype in any way, but recognizing
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: whether you're in the light side of it or the
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: shadow side gives you another piece of important information about it, right,
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: So you know, and she identifies like there's four she
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: considers them four survival archetypes, and I and I think
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: that that makes sense in a way, but it can
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: be a little bit limiting in my opinion. You know,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: we all recognize that we have been in the child
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: archetype because we've all been children just by definition. Right,
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: So how is that affecting you? I mean, it's going
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: to be with you. The inner child that you were
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: is something that you're going to have to be grappling
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: with your entire life. Probably there are going to be
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: times that you fall back into the child archetype without
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: even realizing it. But once you have the school to
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: recognize it, you can say say, Okay, I do not
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: need to be operating as my inner five year old
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: that was hurt by my mother or whatever. I need
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: to step into a place of greater power. I need
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: to step out of that victim archetype. And you know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: just recognizing that sometimes it can be a really powerful
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: and good thing and sometimes it can be a really
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: negative and damaging thing, and knowing when you're shifting. It's
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: just it's an energy that shifts so quickly, and recognizing
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: how it does that and how it moves is really powerful.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: So the number one archetype that I usually bring up
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: with people is one that I call the mirror. Young
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: described it as the anima or the animus, and it's
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: basically how we see other people reflecting ourselves back to ourselves. Right.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: So what we do is we're going to project whatever
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: it is that we need from that person onto them,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: and how interested we are in them. Like, if you're
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: dating or even just in a friendship or something, you
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: are going to be looking for something from the people
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: that you meet, and how well they reflect back what
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: you're looking for without even really realizing it, is going
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: to determine how attractive you are to them as a
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: friend or as a partner or whatever. So when we
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: find someone that we really like, usually it's because there's
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: something about them that shows us ourselves back in a
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: way that we find really interesting or exciting. So once
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: we know that about ourselves, right, we can say, Okay,
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: I see like I'm attracted to you, I want to
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: be your friend or whatever. You're interesting. There's something about
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: them that you are seeing a part of yourself coming
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: back to you. So I call it the mirror archetype,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: and it's because it does that. So if you know
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: how a two way mirror works, right, a two way mirror,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: if there's a light on, you only see yourself or sorry,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: if you only see yourself. But then if a light
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: comes on behind the mirror, then you're able to see
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: the person behind it, and that's when you're actually starting
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: to develop a real relationship with them, you start to
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: see who they are on the other side of that mirror.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: So that to me is the number one archetype that
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: I think I want more people to understand. And then
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: the other one is I think that everybody needs to
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: wrestle with our the mother, the father, and the child
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: because the mother and the father and the child are
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: very very powerful core archetypes. That and it doesn't even
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: really matter what your relationship with your human mother your
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: human father are really like. I mean, you can have
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: had maybe had a good one, maybe you had a
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: bad one. You know, maybe you you know, whatever your
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: relationship was. The concept of what the mother is and
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: what the father is in an archetypal way really does
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: influence how we behave and what expectations we have of
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: other people a lot more than we realize. Right, there
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: are things that we need from those archetypes pretty regularly,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: and we're going to be seeking that in other people
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: and other people are going to be seeking that in us.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: So how we navigate the movement of energy between mother, father,
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: and child all the time is I think a really
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: key aspect of understanding archetypes. So once we see that
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: you know, and I hear this so much from woman
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: now it's like, oh, he just wants me to be
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: his mother. Well, yes, that is probably true. You know
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: what is if you if you feel that way, then
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: that's you now have an opportunity to have a conversation
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: with your partner to say, Okay, you are putting too
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: much of that on me. We need you to find
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: your own mother archetype. We need you to find the
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: power of that caregiving aspect that you're looking for and
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: you know, start to navigate the transfer of that power
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: a little bit. So so I would say, like, I mean,
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: just I could go on about this for a really
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: long time. Obvious for sure, right, I think these are
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: some of the first things that we need to start understanding,
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: you know, and you mentioned victim market type or murder
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: or you know, sometimes we see like people that are advocates,
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: or they're you know, they're really passionate about, like, you know,
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: fomenting change in the world, or you know, maybe they're
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: they're just the person that wants to like be home
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: by the fire and keep that as a safe space
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: in a wonderful space. You know, there's a lot of
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: ways that we see people showing up and you know,
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: understanding not only which ones kind of dominate for you,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: but also how that's shifting around you and I and
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: I do think that there's a lot of benefit in
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: looking at celebrity culture because archetypes are really heavy on celebrities, right,
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: they hold a lot of it for the culture. So
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: if you're a fan or a foe of Donald Trump,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: you have any strong feeling about this man, it's because
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: it's triggering archetypal energy for you. Okay, and you know,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: anybody like it could be anybody in favorite like people
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: love Prey Swift or Beyonce, like if you really like
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: I went to a Taylorstwist show with my son like
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: a year and a half ago, and it was fascinating
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: because people are trying.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, they're very serious.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Yes, this is much more than just like I like
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: the puff of music. This is a religious experience. Essentially.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: It's happening because she's holding an archetype.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: What archetype do you think she's holding? Just from your
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: right Okay.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I actually think that she's holding something that's
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: very similar to the Greek goddess Artemis. And once she
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: starts to look at her under this, under this kind
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: of a gus. If you will, you start to see
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: it because Artemis was the goddess of young girls and
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: the protector of young girls, and what she's done in
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: her career is create this space. It's not hyper sexualized,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: it's not living with sexuality. It's about being a space
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: that young girls can really feel like free in themselves.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: And that was what I saw. And when you start
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: to look at it, there is so much Archer imagery
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: all over her music, like she's pulling the arrow on stage.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: She's got a song all the Yeah. I mean, it's
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: just like, over and over and over again, this image
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: of the bow and the arrow is coming up here.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Now we don't, Oh my god, I love that so much.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not like a like a hardcore but there's something
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: about her that I do. I just adore her. There's
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: something about her energy. And now it's even deeper. But
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I have to ask, because we're going to have to
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: take a break in a minute, what is Donald Trump's archetype.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: I believe that Donald Trump is the trickster. Now, the
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: trickster is a creatures and mythology to smash existing forms
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: of culture. Yeahs, pasified forms of power, and that's exactly
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: what he's doing. He's taking a sledgehammer to the federal government.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: And that's what tricksters do.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: It's funny that you say that, because I do.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I'm learning a little bit more about Tourou and then
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: the astrology, and I'm seeing how all of these merge together,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: and the trickster comes up a lot for him under
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: the Tourou. So that's super interesting. We're going to talk
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: about more of that. So I'm going to stop you
• 26:27
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• 26:30
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• 26:32
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  Speaker 2: and in their relation to mythological characters. So we we
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  Speaker 2: mentioned briefly we're not going to get into him because
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  Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to do that, but but
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  Speaker 2: that he Donald Trump is the trickster. So who is
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  Speaker 2: the trickster in the mytholog as the mythological character that
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  Speaker 2: relates to the trickster in the story.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we have we have a lot of tricksters, right
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: and we haven't and just about every culture. I think
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: a lot about Coyote, which is a Southwest United States
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: indigenous trickster god. And what is so What is so
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: interesting about about many of our tricksters is that they
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: are absolutely scatological, like all this stuff that he's accused
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: of with, you know, the sexual stuff and you know
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: some of the sex and violence that like, I mean,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Coyote is a god that cannot resist sticking his penis
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: into excuse me, but it's it's part of the I.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Mean, it's part if people love him, they love.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: That, right, like they that is part of the appeal
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: because it's meeting this archetypal need for our culture. And
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: I do think that there are some ways that we
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: you know, there are a lot of people out there
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: that felt like the federal government was not working for
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: them and they want somebody to come in and smash it.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: And that's exactly what he's doing, right, So, so the
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: tricksterure is, you know, like there's too much of this
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: power solidified in the federal government and he's just going
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: in there, I mean, doing exactly what his archetype suggests
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: it needs to be done, right, do it? You know?
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Like how I personally feel about that, Like that's a
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: different right, right, I know.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: You're looking at it.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: No, I like the fact the way you're talking about
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: it because it gives us a different perspective. So now
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: you're going to on the other flip side of that,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: you have people who have been asleep maybe and just
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: taken some granted our rights and everything. Now people are rising, right,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: people are rising, they're protesting. So what would be that
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: archetype the rising group of people?
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: What is that?
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know how that's going to look? Is
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: I I don't know because I don't know who it's
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: going to be. Right, So we've got other people. You've
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: got people that are I believe going to rise up maybe.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: Uh you know, we've got Bernie Sanders speaking out on the.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Left, not anybody specifically, the energy of the people, yeah yeah.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so the people in general, that's a little bit different.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Like I do think that archetypes kind of accrue around
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: individual people. So we'll have someone, there will be someone
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: that will rise to this moment. But since you don't
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: know who that is yet, Like I can give that
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: analysis after they start to bubble up in culture. And
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: you know I do this often, right, Like I'll see
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: see some kind of story that happens, you know, Like
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: I was looking at this woman recently, Gazelle Pellico. This
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: big case in France, and her husband was absa to
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: her and they and they hear that story.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's oh my god, what he did to her
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: over the years.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, it was terrible.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: But what's what's so fascinating about it is that she
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: you know, because we got to talk about this too,
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: the archetype of the hero, and she embodied that so
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: beautifully because not because of what happened to her, but
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: how she responded to it. She didn't say I want
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: to be anonymous. She didn't say I want to pretend
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: like this never happened to me and move on with
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: my life. She said, no, I want to put the
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: shame where it belongs on the people that did this
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: to me. The shame is not mine. It goes with
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: the people that did this. And she was kind of
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: being pushed toward you should feel ashamed of all this,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: that all this happened to you, and she absolutely refused
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: to do that because she wanted to be the voice
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: for other women that were going through something similar, so
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: they would say, I don't have to be afraid. I
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: can step into my own bravery. I can actually push
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: back against this. She was showing them archetypally what to do.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: And there were many, many cases of women that said
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: it inspired me to leave my own abusive husband or
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: leave my situation to find that courage. And this is
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: also what an archetype can do. Right. I love this
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: aspect of it. So if we need so being a
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: human being, we are fragile, we are vulnerable. It is scary,
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: it is hard. There are so many things about it
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: that are difficult. But what archetypes have to offer us
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: if we need it. It's got a big, powerful energy.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: It's basically everything about whatever that is that has ever
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: existed in human history. So if you need to be brave,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: you can actually intentionally borrow the hero archetype. You can
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: say I need this for a little while. I'm going
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: to step into this. I'm gonna I have to do
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: something really scary, So I'm gonna, like I have this
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: little manifestation kind of like ritual that I do as people,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: where we pull the energy of the archetype onto ourselves
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: whateveryone is needed, and then we go and we do
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: the scary thing, and then what we'm.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Going to borrow that? Yeah, I'm going to borrow from you.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: It's so effective because because what you can do is
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: you can not have to see you, I mean, be
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: owning the word hero is hard. And this is why
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: in the title of my book it doesn't say hero's journey,
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: which is I think the phrase if you know that
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: idea that you know that pace heroes. And but the
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: problem that I see with it is that it forces
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: you to identify your own personal self as a hero.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: And I think that's a little bit much to ask
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: for people sometimes. So what we do is we say,
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: I'm going to choose in this moment to be heroic.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: I don't have to be a hero. I can make
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: a choice right now to be heroic. And what that
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: allows you to do is again like you borrow it,
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: right you just say, okay, I'm gonna Like like you're
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: pulling on a cloak or something, or you're putting on
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: your armor and you go in and you have the
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: scary conversation, or you talk to your boss or you
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: talk to your doctor or whatever you need to do
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: that's really hard, or you navigate something that's you know,
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: been intimidating to you, and then when you're done, you
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: let it go, You thank it with you show all
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: the gratitude it and you release it and then you
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: don't have to feel the heavy way of the hero
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: archetype on you every second. It doesn't have to be forever.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: It can just see what you need for now. Okay.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: So that and that is it's not just the hero
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: right you can you can see that in any part
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: of your life, like, Okay, I have a friend and
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: he needs or she needs that mother archetype for now,
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: and I'm going to really come in and I'm going
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: to nurture her and I'm going to take care of
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: her and I'm going to fill her energetically with the
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: power of the mother archetype because she is hurting and
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: she needs that from me right now. Maybe she's second.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go take care of her, and then
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: you don't have to be that for her forever. You
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: can let it go when you walk out, and you've
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: had the advantage of getting to borrow this huge amount
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: of archetypal energy. But it's too much weight on a
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: person all the time. And I think this is why
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: you see celebrities cracking up alone this sometimes because you know,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: like we see a lot of problems with addiction and
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: you know, look, you can see it. He's cracking under
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: the weight of bit.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: And and then remember what happened to Britney Spears. I mean,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: and she got it so young that she it was
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: too much to handle.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and this is it, right Like you, you
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: get all of these expectations put on you by the
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: culture and the beauty of that. I wish I could
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: tell more celebrities about this. It's like, Okay, here's what
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: you have to do. Recognize what archetype you are creating
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: and holding for culture, because I do believe it's not
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: this static thing. It's not just you are this thing.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: The artemist that Taylor Swift is is not the same
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: artemis as the Greeks had. We need a different version
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: of that energetic space in our culture, and she's filling
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: it in a different way. Child Trump is not the
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: same kind of trickster as Coyote was for the people
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: of the southwestern United States. Right, so we it meets
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: the needs of the culture, and that's why they rise up.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: But then this has helped me too, right Like you,
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: if you are on the internet at all, you know,
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: if you have any kind of you know, public voice
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: where you're sharing what you're doing. Obviously with your podcast,
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: there are going to be people that absolutely adore you
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: and tell you how amazing you are and how much
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: you've changed your lives. And that's a really heady feeling,
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: but it's also really dangerous. But also you're going to
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: have people that are talking to you all excuse me,
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: you're gonna be right yeah, yeah, okay, okay, so so yeah,
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: so they're if they're trolling you or telling you any
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Both that adoration and that vitriol that you're getting belongs
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: to the archetype that is not you, and if you
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: don't identify it with your own personal ego that's on
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: the inside of your body, then it creates a lot
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: of space between you and that, and it creates safety.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: So it's now moved away from you. And when we
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: you know, hopefully we'll get a chance to get back
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: to the mormonthology side of things. But this is what
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: looking at our lives mythically also allows us to do.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: To say, Okay, if I look at my life as
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: if it was a myth, and I look at the
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: story and the web and uh flow of my life,
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: the ebb and flows, you see, then then if we
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: put it away from us a little bit. It gives
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: us a new perspective on our own story, and we
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: can say things like, you know what, my mom always
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: told me that I was clumsy and a bad athlete,
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: and I kind of incorporated that into myself. But maybe
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: that is not serving me anymore. Maybe that is not true.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Maybe I can, in fact go and be a sporty person.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Or maybe I am smart, or maybe I am you know,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: we all heard this stuff from our parents. Our parents
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: tell us who we are, and we get to decide
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: later if we are that or not. That is not
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: the final.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Work, right, We put a story on that's the thing.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: We take on that story, and then we live our
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: life from that story, which is kind of what you're saying.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: And you're saying, well, if you're living that life from
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: your story, like I'm not good enough? Like right, I
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: have that I'm not good enough? What would the archetype
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: be of no low self words? And I'm not good enough?
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: What would that be?
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Would that be the victim?
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Or I mean or I mean it's it's a combination
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: of a lot of things. Right, We have these nouns,
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: but we used to describe human behavior. So you can
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: say victims. You can say child. I mean, if you're folding, okay,
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: for too long. I mean that's why I've mentioned the
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: child before. If you're holding for too long, you what
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: you're doing is you're seeding power to your parents to
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: say who you are, right, And if you recognize that, like, okay,
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: I don't have to still be that child that I
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: was when my parents split up, or when my mom
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: told me that I was work with or whatever. The
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: power of this work is really in shifting our perceptions
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: about who we are and where we want to be.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: So it affects our past, it affects our presence, and
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: it affects our future. Because what it does is it
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: allows us to step into that archetypal power, but also
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: release it when we're done with it, to step into
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: a new understanding of our story, to cast it in
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: a new way. I mean, when witches and people talk
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: about casting spells, I mean that's wing is. We're shifting energy, right,
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: We're saying, Okay, I'm going to make a change here
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: and I'm going to pull there's all this energy surrounding us.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: So if we understand this and start to get a
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: greater sensitivity to how it flows around us, then we
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: can start to move through it with a little bit
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: more effective power. So this is what this does is
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: it's just we've got so many thousands of years of
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: examples of this and there all in our myths, and
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: once we know how to take that message in, then
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: it teaches us what we need to do.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: And that's really interesting. That's so interesting.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Like, so, so if somebody comes to you and just says,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I feel beat up, I feel weak, I don't feel strong,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: And then is it that when you start to work
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: with them, do you offer them a story in mythology
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: so that they can borrow, say, the archetypal energy of
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: a character of strength. Let's say, yeah, is that how
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: you do it?
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Actually what I do when I'm like when I'm
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: coaching someone or I then it works with someone around retreat.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: So I will usually because I have this vast repository
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: of myths in my head and I got to do
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: something that I'll go and I'll talk to you right
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: and say, okay, so we're going to work with One
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: of my favorite ones is the story of Ariodny from
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Greek mythology, because it's such a powerful exemplar of the
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: path of women through our modern culture, because what happens
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: in that story, and then there's a lot going on
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: with it. She's the sister of the minotaur, she's the
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: daughter King Minos of Creed. But what she does is
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: she helps the Greek hero Thesius defeat the minotaur. She
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: leaves with him. She falls in love with them, and
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: they're going to lead together, and he's going to take
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: her back to Athens and meet a queen, but he
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: abandons her on the island. Next it just leaves her
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: on the beach to sleep and sails off without her. Now,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: this is now the way that I see that is
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: mimicking women's lives is I have never, maybe once or
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: twice in my life and all those years of this work,
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: have I met a woman that did not have a
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: relationship with someone when they were young, where they gave
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: all their power into that person. The young women are
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: taught to be nice and to be supported, and to
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: be to help me and all.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: This stuff healthy and guilty, right.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Right, we all know what that you like. I mean,
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: maybe maybe you dated that guy for six months, or
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: maybe you were married for twenty years and you helped
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: him get through medical school, or you helped him get
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: through law school, or you helped him build a company
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: or whatever. And then here you are and it's twenty
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: years on and now the marriage is over and you
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: don't know what to do. That is the moment that
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: Ariai is on the beach, And what is so fantastic
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: about it is the next part of the story is
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: where it starts to get really good, because what happens
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: to her next is that she meets the god Dionysus.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: He marries her, and he becomes the only one of
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: the Greek pantheon who stays loyal to his wife, the
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: only one. And then when she finally dies, they put
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: her up into the heavens as a constellation, which is
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: the highest honor that could be afforded to a human being.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: So what does Dionysus represent here. Dionysus is the god
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: of ecstasy, the ecstatic experience, kind of a reaching towards
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: the spiritual in life. So when we come out of that,
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: we've had that theseus relationship. We've had that guy that
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: we were pouring all of our powerful feminine energy into
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: to try to help him get a clue. Then now
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: that relationship is over. It feels like a really dark
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: and hard time, but we've got this beautiful myth that
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: says there is something so much more powerful on the
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: other side of this experience for you. And to recognize
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: that where Dionysus is holding space in your own life,
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: where that archetype is holding space, really can help us
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: not only find a sense of power again and hopefulness
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: about our future and what that means. You know, the
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: followers of Dionysus were called mainads, and they were women.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: They were often women leaving to midlife or just that
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: had the household experience for a while and wanted to
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: step away from it, and they kind of went crazy.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: I feel like running around the forest that's membering animals
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: and drinking wine, like there's so much power in it,
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: and you know, it really does help to understand that
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: we do not have to go out and become alcoholics
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: and pull animals limb from limb. That's it's metaphorical, right,
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: myths or metaphors. So you have to understand the power
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: of that, right, like, this is what is the ecstatic
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: experience represent to you? And how can you pull that
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: into your own life after you've done all of this
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: after you've found your way through all of the expectations
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: that are put on women when we're young to do
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: all of these things, and now you're cast to drift
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: a little bit. But there's so much power in the
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: thing that comes after. And this what myths can do, right,
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Like this is one example out of thousands and thousands
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: of stories that lasted because they have something to still
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: offer us. Right, so we can say, Okay, what do
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: I need to know from the story of Ariadne, What
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: do I need to know from the story of Media,
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: What do I need to know from the story of Freya,
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: or you know, anywhere? And I really do try to
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: like help people. Sometimes people want stories from their own cultures,
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: where their families come from. Sometimes they go get me
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: in a different direction, Like whatever it is, we can
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: work together to find the one that's going to really resonate,
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: and then you start to pull the archetypal energy of
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: that story into yourself and now you're in a real
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: sense of power. Right now we feel like we have
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: control of our situations. Now we know how to write
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: our new narrative to go forward into our lives.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: That is what Matt fascinating I love this. I can't
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: wait till your book comes out.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be like, oh my god.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: This is so fascinating to my brain the way I think. So,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: how would can you share like somebody you worked with
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: and how the narrative of their life was changed through
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: the mythology, like how someone's path was transformed?
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: If you will, I mean I might want to be
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: careful because I do.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not giving anybody, no, no, no, no, we're not
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: giving details of who you're speaking about, right.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I work with popular different kinds of populations.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: Often I do see women in midlife that are going
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: through something like this. Either it's often either a divorce
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: or a diagnosis of some kind. Right, you get breast
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: cancer or there's now now this, If you don't mind,
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: I'm going to call back to something that we kind
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: of skipped over a little bit earlier in our conversation,
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: just to understand what the heroic journey is and why
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: it matters. Right, So, we're to have multiple moments in
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: our lives where we die to an old version of
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: ourselves and we're reborn into a new virgin, and it
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: can happen in really profound ways. It can happen in
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: really small ways where there was a version of you
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: that existed, like you you had a job, and then
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: now you don't, or you as far as you knew,
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: we're a healthy person. And then now you've heard you
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: of cancer, or your spouse says that they want to divorce.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of ways that happens, right,
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: And the first really profound one that happens to everyone
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: is going through puberty. So I actually deal with kids
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: at that age too, Right, So like, okay, you were
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: a child, and now this weird thing is happening to you,
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: and now you're not anymore, and what does that mean?
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: How do we navigate that? Now? A lot of people
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: their first instinct is to hunker down and survive it.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: That's all they want to do. They want to just
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: get through it, put one foot in front of the other,
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: just take the next steps and hope that it gets
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: better someday. Now, that's fine, and a lot of people
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: do that. I think most people do. But what myths
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: have to offer us is they show us something deeper
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: and more profound that we can have happen. And this
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: is to me, the most sacred opportunity and duty that
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: we have as human beings, which is to say, Okay,
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: I recognize that I'm going to have to go on
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: this journey, and this is what it looks like. And
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: Campbell did a really good job of kind of encapsulating this,
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: doing the beginning of that, right, and people like me
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: are pushing this work forward. So we say, okay, you
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: are being called to an adventure and you're going to
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: refuse it. And that's the first time what my book's
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: called them stuck, because we get stuck there. We say
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: I want to do it. I know, I don't want
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: to have that conversation. I don't want to hear about it.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to go to the doctor. You know,
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna I'm going to say no, no, no.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: And sometimes sometimes that's a moment of hesitation inside someone's mind,
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: and sometimes it's twenty years of denial, right, I mean yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And then what happens next is eventually you will step
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  Speaker 4: into it, because usually you don't have a choice and
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: you're going to go down. You're going to leave your
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  Speaker 4: world behind that you knew before. Everything you knew before
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  Speaker 4: is going to change. You're going to go into another
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: space and there are going to be allies there for you.
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  Speaker 4: They are going to be mentors there for you. There
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: are going to be villains that you have to defeat, monsters,
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: temptations away from the path. All these things happen, and
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: we have these stories over and over and over again
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  Speaker 4: right where they say, Okay, this is going to happen next,
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: and it does. It really does. So we go through
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: all of that, we get down to the bottom. When
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: you have a moment where you have this kind of
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: confrontation with the monster or the dragon. Say so, if
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: you imagine it as a dragon, you're going to defeat
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: that somehow, and it doesn't have to be a death.
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  Speaker 4: It can be just you know, figuring out of something
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  Speaker 4: that you need to know and you are you're going
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: to pull back out of that experience a treasure. And
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: if you imagine like a dragon being sitting on a hord, right,
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: so you have this horror and okay, now you de
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: feed the dragon and the horde is yours. So that
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: what that is, that is whatever art you're going to create,
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  Speaker 4: or that is whatever wisdom you've gained out of the
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  Speaker 4: situation or whatever. And then you're going to make your
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: way back out and the purpose of that second half
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  Speaker 4: of the journey is to prepare you to not necessarily
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: be the center of the story anymore, not to have
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: to hold that heroic role, but to be prepared to
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: take what you've gained out of that experience back to
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: your community. The beginning half of the journey is very
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: much an individual, individualistic kind of American style. I'm going
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: to go go and do this thing. But then later
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: what we get to do is we get to bring
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: that back and help somebody else with it. So what
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: we have is this beautiful continuity of human experience where
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: you are helped by your ancestors in the form of myths,
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  Speaker 4: in the form of not in the form of art,
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  Speaker 4: in the form of conversations, in the form of recipes,
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: in the form of anything that you've had that's been
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: given to you by another human that's helped you out
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  Speaker 4: in some way. And this shows up in a lot
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  Speaker 4: of ways. Okay, if you have all these things and
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  Speaker 4: they've prepared you, every book you've ever read, whatever, so
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  Speaker 4: these things have helped you get to be the person
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  Speaker 4: that you are. Now you've got this thing that you've
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: found in this journey that you've been on. It was really,
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: really hard. This is where transformation happens. So now you
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: have this thing and you're going to take it back
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: out into the world, but you're going to get stuck
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: here too, because this is what we call the refusal
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: of a return. This is when you can't move on
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: from your divorce, or you still feel like you're dead
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: or dying even though they gave you the all clear
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: on the cancer, or when you just cannot you're so
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: used to being down in the world of the dead
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: that you don't want to have to make the adjustment
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: to get back to where you were because you just
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: you know, you can survive this. You know what to do, like, Okay,
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: I can handle this. I'm not dating, but it doesn't
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: matter because it's fine. I'm not really lonely. I just
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm just going to be here, It's okay.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: That's the fusel of a return, and the danger of
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: that place is that if you hold onto the hoard
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: for too long, then you become the dragon yourself. Okay,
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: so we have to take that step out and again,
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: myths show us what to do every step of the way.
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  Speaker 4: And now when we've finally been able to step forward
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: out of that place of being stuck and I see
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: people stuck your a lot. Right. Once we're able to
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: do that, then now we have something to share. Now
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: we're going to be able to go, Okay, I am
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: ready to share this on in whatever way that I
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: can have these conversations, create this art, make a new app,
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: you know, create a new company. I mean it can
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: be any number of things. It doesn't have to be yeah,
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: anything that didn't exist before. Right, So, you have something
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: that you've learned and you want to share it with
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: somebody else. I do think that this is a really
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: sacred and true human impulse. Like if you know somebody
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: that needs something and you have the answer, it is
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: a really compelling thing to want to share it with them. Right. So,
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: like we want to give advice, right, Like we want
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: to tell people you got to do this. But if
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: you ever met somebody that just went vegan, they will
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: tell you all about why it's so great to be vegan.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: I mean we all know if that sounds right, Are
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: they a new trainer or they get a new workout program? Like,
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: oh my god, this is the best thing ever. Like
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: that impulse to share it, that is part of this experience, right,
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: So let's harness that. Let's take that, Let's take everything
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: that we went through that was so hard. We're going
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: to take it and we're going to share it on
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: We're going to prepare ourselves to do that. And now
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: what you are is you have become the ancestor that
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: you needed before. So you benefit from the work of
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: the ancestors. You have help by your peers and people
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: around you when you're in the middle of it in
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: the present, and then as you come out, Now what
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: you're doing is helping the next person when they have
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: to go through it. And now we have this beautiful
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: continuity of human experience running down through generations because people
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: who are willing to do this and step into this
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: role and step into that archetype now have something that
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: they can share on and then somebody else is somebody's
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: going to take that from you, from your conversation or
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: your book that you wrote, or whatever that you did,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: and that's given them tool now to navigate what they
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: have to do, and then they do the same thing
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: for somebody else down the road. So to me, I
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: find that really beautiful because it's not just I find it.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I find it really beautiful too, because seriously. I did
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: that without knowing that I was doing that because as
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: in a really bad space after my divorce, I had
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: a whole different job, a whole different life.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: It wasn't just a divorce. Everything changed and it was my.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: I guess my, you know, my tower moment, you know,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: if we're talking about the tureau, like everything kind of
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: grumbled and and and that's what happened. I went into
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: the just get through the day and then went deep
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: inside and you know, and actually what book really helped
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: me while I was going through that was Women Who
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Run with the Wolves, the stories of the wild Women archetype.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: That book what just just spoke to me so deeply.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: So and now that you're saying that, and now here
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I am, and I have you on my.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Sholf, So there you go.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: I just shorten it, yeah, by the long word.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: I mean that was that book came to me when
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: I was in my early thirties, and it was it
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: was one of those ancestor moments for me. That was
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: something that I needed to get, like it was all
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: those stories that I heard as a child, and it
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: was every book I ever read, and it was reading
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: you know, close with Nicole T. Sc th and Joseph
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: Campbell and Carl Young and all this, all of that
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: and each one, and this is the other thing that
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: I told people to because they're so afraid to step
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: into the power of the archetype, and they're so afraid
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: to express themselves creatively because I'm never going to be
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: Shakespeare or I'm never going to be the Vinchi or whatever.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: But you are the only constellation of attributes and experiences
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: that have ever existed on this planet. Even if you're
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: you can be an identical not an identical twin, you
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: could be a conjoined twin. It doesn't even matter. You're
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: gonna have a different experience from your sibling because you've
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: had different thoughts, You've read different books, you've had all
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: the influences of coming in have been different. So you
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: have something unique to offer in the history of the world,
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: and it's you don't share that on somehow, then all
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: of the rest of us are port for it. So
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: if we can find our way through this journey, we
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: have done something sacred. We have help.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: We could talk for hours, but I want to make
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: sure I get you to share with people, because we
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: only have like a minute or so. How people can
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: work with you if they want or they want to
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: know more about you know, take a workshop or what
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: you do. So I want to give you some time
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: to tell share that with us.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: Well, you know again I would I would say to
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: anybody go to mythicstories dot com. You mentioned it at
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: the beginning of our hour, and you can find me there.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: You can sign me on social media just by googling
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: my name or googling the phrase mythic stories. You will
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: find me easily. You can sign up for thirty minutes
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: of free conversation with me where I can kind of
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: try to guide. I will give you as much as
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: I got in thirty minutes about your particular situation, and
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: I will do it for free. So and it's just
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: really a way to find when it's time for me
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: to work with someone in one on one, you know,
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: to make that that even if it doesn't work out
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: that way, I'm happy to do that for people. I
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: love having these conversations. I love helping. I mean, this
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: is my sacred duty, right, this is how I get
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: to tell this and it's a passionate thing for me.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: So don't feel afraid to do that. I am delighted
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: every person that's listening. I am delighted to talk to
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: you and I cannot wait to meet you, so come
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: and find me.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, No, you can tell. You can just
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: hear it in your voice.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, you are so passionate about it, and it's
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: really really fascinating, and I believe that anybody is listening,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: you should really reach out to her because she's gonna
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: have a lot to offer you on things maybe you
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: don't understand about the story you've been living and you've
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: been telling yourself that maybe you can get a different insight, right,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: I just think that's just so amazing. Oh my god,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: it's just like, yeah, I think I think I want
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: to have a one on one.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, I think I gotta have. I think I gotta have.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely check her out Mythicstories dot com. I mean, Allison,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: it's just been such a pleasure having you. Really really
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: enjoyed our conversation.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Week. I got to have you back because there's so
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: much more we can talk about.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: All Right, everybody, thank you so much for listening to
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: post Personal Universe with Melissa creating the life you've craved
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: and wishing everyone a wonderful week filled with joy, abundance
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: and love.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Peace,