Latest / Financial Survival Network / Gwen Preston Joins West Red Lake Gold’s Top Tier Team as VP – Investor Relations
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- 0:00I visited the project last summer, shortly after they'd acquired this Madson mine out
- 0:05of bankruptcy, and I was really taken by the opportunity, opportunity that they
- 0:11had identified and acted on. I will admit that when they first told me
- 0:15the story, like first blush, Okay, this group is going to come
- 0:19in and they're experienced operators and they're going to do the thing that the other
- 0:23company screwed up. It seemed too good to be true, right, But
- 0:27then I'm walking around this project and this mill is beautiful and I know that
- 0:31there's two million ounces of gold. I'm looking at it in the wall of
- 0:34the underground. This is Red Lake, Ontario, where you know, the
- 0:39geology is really prolific. And then the team was the thing that made it
- 0:47possible. The Financial Survival Network now more than network, the Financial Survival Network,
- 0:59and welcome. This is Financial Survival Network. I'm your host, Carrie
- 1:03Lutz. We are coming to you with a sponsor update from West the Red
- 1:07Lake Gold Mines. And I had the pleasure of interviewing the CEO now good
- 1:14friend when Preston you know her, I know you know her as the resource
- 1:19Maven is now head of investor relations at West red Lake and gwent. It's
- 1:26great to have you on the show. It's great to get a sponsor update
- 1:32from you. So the first thing everyone wants to know here, and I'm
- 1:36sure you get this question from your subscribers everyone else, is why. Absolutely,
- 1:44it's the question of the moment, and it's a valid question. I
- 1:47spent ten years writing Resource Maven, which was that subscriber supported newsletter, and
- 1:53it was amazing. I mean, I loved helping engaged mining investors find good
- 1:59opportunity, understand the mining capital markets and the pressures and the opportunities in that
- 2:05the risks, helping people understand geology and make money. We had some great
- 2:08wins. It was a heck of a ride. I really enjoyed Resource Maven.
- 2:14But I did do it for ten years, which is a nice stint,
- 2:17and I got to know the team here at West red Lake as an
- 2:23investor. I covered it in my newsletter. I visited the project last summer,
- 2:28shortly after they'd acquired this Matson mine out of bankruptcy, and I was
- 2:34really taken by the opportunity opportunity that they had identified and acted on. I
- 2:38will admit that when they first told me the story, like first blush,
- 2:44Okay, this group is going to come in and they're experienced operators and they're
- 2:46going to do the thing that the other company screwed up. It seemed too
- 2:51good to be true, right, But when I did that trip last July
- 2:54to the mats in Line, the reason not I love site visit so much
- 2:59is that you get to talk to everybody on site, right, like from
- 3:01the person sweeping the floor in the mill through to anybody who works whatever in
- 3:07food services or you know, through the chief geologists and the mining engineers and
- 3:12everybody in between. You get to talk to them all. And all the
- 3:14people on site were mostly people who worked through those Pure Gold days because they're
- 3:20the Red Lake locals who want to work at a mine. And every single
- 3:23one of them reiterated the story that West red Lake had approached me with,
- 3:30which is that, you know, Pure Gold was really driven to build this
- 3:36mine on the tightest budget possible to keep themselves attractive to potential acquirers, and
- 3:42that when you have not enough money and a lack of operator and mine building
- 3:47expertise in management, you put those things together and bad decisions are made.
- 3:53And so each person that I spoke with, like I say, from you
- 3:57know, the all of the very employees at the mill, all the way
- 4:01through the operation, they just reflected to me their own versions of that experience,
- 4:05right, all of the things that they'd had to try and manage because
- 4:10the decisions were wrong and the leadership wasn't there. But then I'm walking around
- 4:15this project and this mill is beautiful, and I know that there's two million
- 4:18ounces of gold. I'm looking at it in the walls of the underground.
- 4:24This is Red Lake, Ontario, where you know, the geology is really
- 4:28prolific. And then the team was the thing that made it possible. Right,
- 4:34So bring on Shane Williams, who you know, he is just such
- 4:38an experienced mind builder and mine operator, has done so for major companies for
- 4:44many years. And then when you have a really good leader, you can
- 4:46attract a fantastic team. And that's exactly what he pulled to him, from
- 4:50like the VP of Technical Services and Laurie's Mustart, through to the geology VP
- 4:56and Will Robinson and you know, to the CFO and the whole team they
- 5:00are they provide exactly the mind building and operating expertise that was lacking. The
- 5:06previous time. So I loved the story as an investor. And then when
- 5:11they started talking to me about whether they might want to come and work for
- 5:14them, they had been on that brings us to now. So now they've
- 5:17been on the ground for ten months identifying all those mistakes that were made,
- 5:23What did those bad decisions, how did they manifest? Identify them, see
- 5:27what the fixes put or should be, And now we're at this what I
- 5:30think is just a really exciting tipping point where we're going from figuring out what
- 5:35needs to be fixed, now we are implementing those fixes. And you know,
- 5:42now we're on that golden runway where the team here is driving to get
- 5:46this thing into production by the middle of next year. And that when you
- 5:50look at share price patterns and junior mining, most of them are full of
- 5:54risk and not very reliable. But the one, the one that is the
- 5:59most reliable of them all, is that golden runway right where you go from
- 6:02spending money to explore, to do studies to build. When you go from
- 6:06spending money to making money because you're producing, that share price rerate is the
- 6:13most reliable pattern in the junior in mining, and that's the accelerated pathway that
- 6:17this company's on, so I get to join at a very exciting time.
- 6:21So what impressed me about Shane is, you know, it's just like doctors.
- 6:26When the doctor messes something up and then you go to another doctor,
- 6:31they don't usually want any part of it, and you've got to search for
- 6:35the one guy that specializes in fixing other people's messes. And Shane like struck
- 6:43me as that person. These guys, you know, literally took the golden
- 6:46opportunity and flushed it. And now Shane comes in and he's looking at it
- 6:53with new eyes and figuring, like you said, figuring out where did they
- 6:57go wrong and how do we avoid a fate. Yeah, and he's a
- 7:01real leader, and it takes a lot of It's a challenging story to communicate
- 7:08too, right, because of course pure gold was it made a bunch of
- 7:12money for people, and then low it erased all of that money for a
- 7:15lot of people, which is which is soup, which is a terrible story.
- 7:19And so it's also a hard story to communicate where you have to convince
- 7:24people that the mistakes that were made are fixable mistakes. It's not that the
- 7:29gold wasn't actually there it's not that the gold cannot be taken out of the
- 7:32rocks. Those things which are complete show stoppers for a mine, those things
- 7:39are not the problem. The problems are more specific and fixable. We can
- 7:44certainly go through that list if you want, but it's so to communicate that
- 7:47and then to just have the focus and drive and team management to be able
- 7:54to, you know, step by step go through all of those, identify
- 7:57those things and fix them all. For sure. It's a big challenge and
- 8:00it takes a special special person to do that right and just on the heels
- 8:05of a major financing thirty three million rays so hopefully capital is not going to
- 8:11be an issue like it was with the predecessor. Just tell us what are
- 8:16the top three challenges that are facing the team. So the key drive in
- 8:26our team right now is internally to solidify what our mind restart plan is and
- 8:33so we know exactly what, when, how needs to happen for the restart
- 8:37to for us to absolutely be able to turn this mine on by the middle
- 8:41of twenty twenty five. So we're very close to that. Then we need
- 8:45to transition that into a pre feasibility study that we can publish public that we
- 8:48can publish put out there, and then we'll be able to actually start talking
- 8:52about costs and scales and things like that, right, because you need to
- 8:56have a report before you can talk those numbers. So getting to those really
- 9:00important moments is the drive. But underneath all of that, we don't want
- 9:07to publish a prefeasibility study in November that says that outlines a list of tasks
- 9:13that still need to be accomplished that take a bunch of time and money.
- 9:18Our goal is to publish that prefeasibility study and for the market to realize that
- 9:24the majority of the work that's needed for this restart is already underway or even
- 9:28finished. And so while we're advancing these planning studies, we've already because of
- 9:35the work that the team did in the last ten months, we've identified those
- 9:37critical path items, right, We've identified the things that need to happen on
- 9:43site, so that when we get to that prefeasibility study, when we get
- 9:46a little bit beyond that, to the decision to restart, it's honestly a
- 9:50restart decision. It's like, okay, let's turn it on. We're not
- 9:54looking at the need to spend another However, many tens of millions and or
- 9:58spend however many months doing such and such. Those jobs are already done,
- 10:03so it's real. The biggest challenge right now is the juggling of accomplishing those
- 10:07critical path items while also solidifying the sort of formal line plan and then being
- 10:13able to talk about those things in the orders that we can so shy.
- 10:18When I spoke with him last time, he alluded that there was a lot
- 10:20of gold like leftover in the mill that never got processed. I mean,
- 10:26this is such an interesting story. Hey. So the lack of mind building
- 10:31and operating expertise and the drive to sell the asset that were hallmarks of the
- 10:37pure Bold story. One of the things that that created was a lack of
- 10:43sort of culture of workplace culture, positive workplace culture. So the Mads and
- 10:48mind went through like six general managers in a three year period or I don't
- 10:52know, it was about that. So there was an incredibly high turnover of
- 10:56even top level staff. Machine, especially a complicated machine like a mill,
- 11:03is only as good as the people who run it, and so because and
- 11:07then you layered COVID on top of it. They were also trying to build
- 11:09this thing during COVID when it was really hard to get particular supplies and whatnot,
- 11:13and so they were just mistakes made, a few mistakes made in the
- 11:18mill itself, like the liners for the mill. So the mill spins things
- 11:22around and smashes balls of steel against the rock to break them up right,
- 11:26And you always put a liner on the inside of that mill, because otherwise
- 11:28you'd be smashing the rock and steal into the mill itself, and then you'd
- 11:33have to rebuild the whole thing regularly. Instead, you take liners out and
- 11:37replace them, and that's what you that's how you manage that damage. Well,
- 11:39they used the wrong liners, and because the liners didn't fit together properly,
- 11:46well, a whole bunch of material, mineralized material got stuck in nooks
- 11:52and crannies. The filters, the lots of various processes in the milling system.
- 11:58You know, things get filled filtered if you don't have the right fields,
- 12:01if you don't clean the filters appropriately or on the right time frames,
- 12:05they clog up with As it turns out, gold, there's lots of opera.
- 12:09There's lots of places like this and a complicated machine where the gold can
- 12:13honestly just fall through the cracks, if it doesn't have if it's not built
- 12:18exactly right, and or it doesn't have a really experienced operator watching for those
- 12:24things and making sure that they don't crop up as a problem. But they
- 12:28were a problem for pure gold, and there was a lot of minimalized material
- 12:33that was left on the floor, jammed into nooks and crannies, and so
- 12:35we hired an expert in milk cleanup, and you know, in his first
- 12:41pass he just did one small component of the mill and came up with over
- 12:45four hundred ounces of old and then then Shane was like, okay, you
- 12:50got to clean up this whole now. Now there's honestly buckets sitting on the
- 12:54floor. There was a picture of it in our news release. But you
- 12:56know, those those big gallon ten gallon buckets full of stuff that's been scraped
- 13:01and scoured out of the mill, and you look in the buckets and it
- 13:05looks like sand mixed with gold, because that's what it is. So we're
- 13:09going to pour some gold from that too, and we should be able to
- 13:11get a full number for that in the next of the while. But it's
- 13:15it's going to be exciting, it's going to be thousands of ounces of gold
- 13:16that we just scrape out of the ball. That's really amazing. Yeah,
- 13:22they were that close, you know, they were that close, and they
- 13:24just couldn't couldn't get over the finish line. And so you've got money,
- 13:31You got the right people. Now it's just going through the process, checking
- 13:35the boxes, getting the checklists set up, and then you move ahead.
- 13:39And that's less than a year away, mid to a year away, mid
- 13:45twenty twenty five, right, absolutely, And I mean getting to production is
- 13:50so important, and it's i'd like it's important because that's the first goal.
- 13:56Let's get to production. Let's start making money. Let's demonstrate that this opportunity
- 14:00that we saw is valid, you know, is real, is everything that
- 14:03we said it was going to be. But also getting this thing into production.
- 14:07Once you have a producing underground gold line in an area like Red Lake,
- 14:13Ontario, then you have the ability to really look around underground. It's
- 14:18very expensive to look around underground if you're not operating a mine, because you
- 14:22have to be down there, you have to be maintaining all of the underground
- 14:26infrastructure. You can't look deep from surface because those holes are too long and
- 14:31slow and expensive. But once you have an operating mine that's making money,
- 14:35so and your underground you have the ability to look around and regions like Red
- 14:39Lake reward that when you look around underground, so there's lots of scattered drill
- 14:46whole drill hits from times past that suggest very good potential for us to find
- 14:52war gold off like at depth at the mats and mine. But really the
- 14:58way to do that is to be underground and look around from underground. We're
- 15:01doing some of that work now, absolutely, and we will do more of
- 15:05it as the year goes on. But once this thing is operating, the
- 15:07exploration team is just going to be able to go for it and really start
- 15:11looking around to see if this thing can become bigger than you know, tapping
- 15:15the two million ounces that we know we're there. Shane indicated to these pretty
- 15:20upbeat and optimistic about the exploration and upside potential here. Yeah, for sure,
- 15:26I mean we could. Shane can certainly go off on that and an
- 15:30entire interview will the VP of Exploration, the two of them together in a
- 15:33room. It's hard to stop from talking. I mean, it's things like
- 15:37the eight zone, right, The eight zone is at the bottom of the
- 15:39shaft. The shaft was built back in the first version of the mats In
- 15:43line, which was from the mid thirties to the seventies, and they drove
- 15:46it almost thirteen hundred meter shaft down to get to this eight zone. Because
- 15:52the ore that's down the mineralized material that's down there, the resource today grades
- 15:58fourteen grams per time gold right, This is like fourteen to eighteen grams per
- 16:03ton gold, whereas the majority of the mats the resource that we've defined in
- 16:07the rest of the mats In mine grades a little bit less than eight grams
- 16:11per ton. It's way higher grade down there, and that is a tantalizing
- 16:15prospect. There's lots of other reasons geologically that that's interesting. It's in a
- 16:18slightly different rock type. The red like mine just down the road. That
- 16:22made gold corporate to the company that it is. It became it was able
- 16:27to increase in size tenfold from a fifty thousand ounce per year producer to a
- 16:32five hundred thousand ounce per year producer. When they discovered the high grade zone
- 16:37that guess what, was at about thirteen hundred meters and was much higher grade
- 16:41than the rest of the mineralized material at the Red Leg Mine and was in
- 16:44a slightly different rock type. So right, there's all of these things that
- 16:47are very tantalizing, and we really want to be able to pursue those those
- 16:51potentials. Just the fact that you're going to be producing in around a year
- 16:56is you know, that sets you apart from virtually all of your peers.
- 17:02It's it's such a rarity nowt nowadays, and hey, exciting times. I
- 17:08know that Change told me it's most exciting opportunity of his life, of his
- 17:12career, and it's great that the team is in there that's able to actually
- 17:18take advantage and fully realize the potential. So hey, maybe maybe you'll be
- 17:23here for the next ten years. So one telling the story, right,
- 17:29I hope? So, I absolutely hope so because I think there's a lot
- 17:32of potential here in this team and this asset and in whatever else you know
- 17:37comes our way, which once you're producing, the world is your oyster and
- 17:42opportunities just pour in through the door, that's for sure. So that's right.
- 17:47Yes, Well, appreciate your coming on and giving us the sponsor update
- 17:51and your story too. It's so interesting. You never know what where life
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- 18:17Thanks for coming on. Thank you so much for having me. It was
- 18:19a pleasure. The Financial Survival Network