Latest / The Mental Healness Podcast / Why You Might Feel Guilty After Leaving an abuser
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- 0:00What is going on? Beautiful people.
- 0:02Lee Hammock, your favorite diagnosed self aware narcissist
- 0:05here with another episode today. First time I see in my face to
- 0:08hear my voice. I have MPD, narcissistic
- 0:10personality disorder, and I use my platform to raise awareness
- 0:12and open people's eyes to what could be going on behind the
- 0:14scenes. Right today we're talking about
- 0:17the feeling that keeps thousands of people stuck in toxic
- 0:20relationship dynamics. The millions of people paralyzed
- 0:23in a in a waiting room for years after a relationship with a
- 0:27narcissist ends. Like just imagine it's like
- 0:30you're finally out. You might even be divorced,
- 0:32separated, whatever. You're at dinner with somebody
- 0:36new. Like you're thinking about
- 0:38downloading a dating app. Like it's just like you're
- 0:41chilling. Then all of a sudden your
- 0:43stomach drops. You get this feeling in a pity,
- 0:46your stomach. What is it?
- 0:48You, you, you are out of nowhere.
- 0:50You start feeling like you like you've done something wrong.
- 0:54You feel like you bought a get caught.
- 0:56You feel like you're cheating on your old relationship partner
- 1:00who you're no longer with, who you might be no contact with,
- 1:03who you might not have spoken to in the whole year.
- 1:06Like why does it feel like you're betraying someone you're
- 1:09no longer with right? Why does it feel like betrayal
- 1:11to live your life to the fullest extent right now?
- 1:14Like when they have already moved on, when they might be
- 1:16married or have 10 other relationships since you got it
- 1:19started talking about getting into one.
- 1:21That's what we're talking about today, y'all?
- 1:23Today I'm going to tell you exactly why from the perspective
- 1:25of someone diagnosed with NPD, the person that might have hurt
- 1:29you like that type of stuff right there.
- 1:31So to start it off right, in a, in a narcissist's mind, they
- 1:37don't look at breakups the same way you do.
- 1:39I don't view the relationship ending the same way you do,
- 1:44right? Like to you a breakup is a sad
- 1:48ending. Like it's it's, it's closing the
- 1:50chapter, it's doing this, it's moving.
- 1:51It's kind of like a movie movie, right?
- 1:53You're ending a partnership to a narcissist.
- 1:57They're losing control. They're losing like an asset, so
- 2:00to speak, right? So in a narcissist mind, they
- 2:03don't just date you. If they look at you as an asset,
- 2:06they acquire you, don't they? Right.
- 2:09You were like, you were not a person with autonomy that you
- 2:13might have came into the relationship with autonomy, but
- 2:15you won't be in a relationship with a narcissist with full
- 2:18bodily mental autonomy. That's not how it works, right?
- 2:21Narcissistic people view you as a resource, and just because
- 2:25they're not using that resource anymore, it doesn't mean they're
- 2:28OK with somebody else doing it. So imagine being in a
- 2:31relationship like something about like this.
- 2:34If I have a toy sitting on the shelf and somebody else is
- 2:37playing with that toy, it's still my toy, right?
- 2:40I still have ownership over that toy.
- 2:41If I have a car, a nice car sitting in the garage, it's
- 2:45still mine. The title and the deed still
- 2:48have my name on it, right? So I don't want anybody else
- 2:51driving that whip. I don't want anybody else
- 2:54playing with that car. It's still ownership.
- 2:55It's still mine. You're still mine.
- 2:58You still and the narcissist mine, you still belong to them.
- 3:00So they're trying to convince you of such.
- 3:03So when you're in a relationship with them, they try to convince
- 3:06you that nobody else can have you, your mind regardless.
- 3:10They try to lower yourself esteem.
- 3:12They attack you internally, externally, they do a lot of
- 3:15different things to your mind. That's what narcissists want to
- 3:17do. So when you start moving on,
- 3:19you're not finding happiness in my eyes, like you're stealing
- 3:22property. So narcissistic people are going
- 3:25to convince you that you're cheating on them, right?
- 3:28They like throughout the relationship, they're slowly
- 3:31programming you, right? They're slowly programming you
- 3:35and and trying to make it, trying to implant this thought
- 3:39process within you. So like, think back like close
- 3:42your eyes real quick, right? We're going to do a little
- 3:43exercise. We're going to do a little Zen
- 3:45exercise, do some ohms. We're about to do narcissistic
- 3:48yoga. No, I was joking.
- 3:52Think back to the relationship, y'all.
- 3:54How many times did that narcissist accuse you of
- 3:57cheating when you were just going to the grocery store or to
- 4:00the gym or walking around the block or taking the kids to
- 4:04school? Like how many times or going out
- 4:06with your friends? How many times is you cheating
- 4:08on me? Didn't you whole time they were
- 4:10cheating? That's that's neither here nor
- 4:12there, right? That's neither here nor there.
- 4:15How many times did the narcissist look through your
- 4:18phone because you were acting suspicious?
- 4:21You dressed nice, you started working out.
- 4:26How many times, right? The narcissist probably spent
- 4:29the entire relationship projecting their own behavior
- 4:32onto you, making it seem like you were doing the stuff that
- 4:36they were actually doing. They're actually doing it, but
- 4:39they're accusing you of doing it, which is projection,
- 4:42one-on-one. So they're going through your
- 4:44phone accusing you of cheating whole time.
- 4:46They're cheating, right? But it programs you to just be
- 4:50on the lookout, programs you to look like I know somebody all
- 4:55going to somebody all going to vibe with this.
- 4:56It programs you to walk with your head down because the
- 4:59narcissist said you were eye eye banging the person.
- 5:02So you got to walk with your head now, right?
- 5:06You can't even look up and make eye contact with nobody anymore
- 5:09because now they say you're violating the boundary, right?
- 5:12They want you in a cage. They want you walking down with
- 5:14your head down with your eyes closed.
- 5:16They want to be leading you because the whole time they're
- 5:18doing it, that programming, it went, yeah, I'm thinking about
- 5:23it, this laying out like this, that programming could have went
- 5:25on for a very long time. It could been going on for
- 5:28years, years, decades even. So just because the relationship
- 5:33stops doesn't mean the programming stops.
- 5:37You've been programmed to think that you that doing anything for
- 5:41yourself is cheating. Doing any.
- 5:44So you feel guilty for doing anything for yourself.
- 5:46You used to feel guilty by going to the store.
- 5:48So being on a date with somebody else.
- 5:50Yeah. You going to feel guilty
- 5:52downloading the dating app? Oh, they used to go through my
- 5:55phone. I got to hide the dating app.
- 5:56Why? You were single.
- 5:57You by yourself now, right? You still going to feel bad?
- 6:02Like it's crazy. So you're like in your brain
- 6:04when you're sitting across the dinner table for somebody that
- 6:07you might actually like, right. Your brain is still wired to to
- 6:11anticipate the narcissistic rage or their disappointment or their
- 6:14accusations. Now you're actually doing it.
- 6:17They they were right. I am cheating like you're
- 6:19sitting at the dinner table with a new person and your your
- 6:21nervous system is literally waiting for that narcissistic
- 6:25person to bust down the door and catch you.
- 6:27You aren't cheating on a person y'all.
- 6:29You're not violating their rules.
- 6:30This is a programming. As y'all know, reprogramming
- 6:35does take time. It does.
- 6:40It's not an overnight thing where you're going to feel
- 6:42better tomorrow. Being reprogrammed takes time,
- 6:46it takes effort, it takes energy, you know what I mean?
- 6:49To a narcissist, always in a lot of times, even though they're in
- 6:52a new relationship, they're still reaching out to you,
- 6:54they're still hoovering you, they're still contacting you.
- 6:57So yeah, you're going to feel like you're cheating if you are
- 6:59not fully healed, you're going to feel like you're feel fool,
- 7:02feel like you're cheating because they're still contacting
- 7:04you. They're still in there, they're
- 7:05still around you some way, shape or form, you know what I mean?
- 7:09They started, they're still remnants of this smear campaign
- 7:12going on, you see? So you just because you're not
- 7:15with me doesn't mean that they're not going to be doing
- 7:16things to you. So like I said, narcissists put
- 7:19you in the waiting room, they put you in the recycling bin
- 7:22because they might come back. Like the reason narcissists want
- 7:25you to feel guilty is because it keeps them able to come back
- 7:29into your life no matter how long they've been gone.
- 7:32It keeps, it keeps giving them the ability in their minds to
- 7:35come back when they want to come back.
- 7:38So think about like that, like if I can make you feel like you
- 7:40owe me your loyalty even after the relationship ends and I'm
- 7:44with somebody else, I know exactly where to find you when
- 7:47the new supply runs dry. So if this new relationship goes
- 7:50to hell, I put you in the waiting room.
- 7:53I don't put you in the recycling bin.
- 7:55I got you literally where I want you.
- 7:58I absolutely do. So that's what narcissists do.
- 8:01They want you to be there waiting on them.
- 8:03So when you or your friends finally told you it's time to
- 8:05move on, you finally convinced yourself it's time to move on.
- 8:08Of course you're going to feel a certain type of way and that
- 8:11makes sense. So in your mind.
- 8:14So overall, moving on is the ultimate act of defiance.
- 8:18It tells the narcissist, you don't own me anymore.
- 8:21So there sometimes if they find out you're on a date with
- 8:23somebody else, they're going to accuse you.
- 8:25They're going to actually accuse you because you being with
- 8:27somebody else. You download an app.
- 8:29One of the crazy thing about it is one of their friends might
- 8:33have saw you on a dating app and sent it to them.
- 8:35And then they reach out to you and just say, I knew it the
- 8:38whole time. I knew it.
- 8:39I knew it, I knew it. And then they got you mentally,
- 8:42they got you mentally, they got you.
- 8:45Don't let them take over control of your life.
- 8:48Do not let them do that, right? You cannot betray somebody
- 8:51you're no longer with y'all. You cannot do that.
- 8:54I know. I know people want to leave.
- 8:55OK, I got it. Now how do I stop feeling so
- 8:58guilty? How do I just move on?
- 8:59How do I realize that that their relationship contract is void
- 9:03right now? How do I do that?
- 9:05Think about like this. If the relationship is a isn't
- 9:09agreed upon contract right? Which marriage can actually look
- 9:13like the relationship if the relationship is a mutual
- 9:16agreement? The moment you start, the moment
- 9:19that narcissist started lying, the moment they started
- 9:22gaslighting, the moment they started devaluing you, putting
- 9:25their hands on you, cheating on you, doing all kinds of horrible
- 9:29behaviors behaviors to you, they voided out there into the
- 9:32bargain. They did that.
- 9:35You didn't do anything right. You cannot be disloyal to a
- 9:39ghost. You cannot betray someone who
- 9:42has already betrayed the very foundation of your relationship.
- 9:45You cannot betray somebody that has betrayed the foundation that
- 9:49your relationship was built on. How the hell are you betraying
- 9:52them? They betrayed you, but they try
- 9:54to. Again, this is what projection
- 9:55comes into play. They try to convince you that
- 9:58you are the betrayer. You are betraying me.
- 10:01So you got to think about it like this.
- 10:03You are not their property. You are a person.
- 10:05Your loyalty ended to them when the respect ended, when the
- 10:09behave, the good behaviors ended.
- 10:11The guilt is not a sign that you are a bad person.
- 10:13Just let me hit this right here. Let me hit you with this, this,
- 10:16this flame right here. The feeling guilty is not a sign
- 10:19that you're a bad person. It's actually a sign that you
- 10:21have a high level of empathy, a high level of integrity.
- 10:25The problem is, the problem in lies there.
- 10:27You're trying to give the integrity to someone who used it
- 10:30as a weapon against you. You trying to give that empathy
- 10:33to someone who used that, who weaponized that against you.
- 10:36And that's why you feel the way that you feel.
- 10:38You are not a bad person. You're healing, you're growing,
- 10:41you're going to be OK, you're going to feel OK.
- 10:44It just takes time. I promise you.
- 10:46It takes time to feel OK. It takes time to be OK.
- 10:50It takes time, effort, energy and love to get to the point
- 10:53where you want to get to. And you absolutely can get
- 10:56there. You absolutely will get there.
- 10:58It just, it just takes a little bit time.
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