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ORTHODOX: A Door Left Open, Metalcore Tours & Collaborating with MASTODON · The Downbeat

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  Easterling of Orthodox, my favorite new heavy band right
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  mush, sugar and Gojira mixed on top.
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  which, you know, I do also love. They're kind of go for that
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  and then they add on top of that like some chunky Mushuga Gojira
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  riffs. Production courtesy of Randy
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  Be a riffer, not a sniffer. It's Adam Easterling of Orthodox
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  on the Downbeat podcast. Adam Easterling, Orthodox.
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  How's it going? Welcome to the podcast.
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  Thank you. How are you?
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  I'm wet. You are wet.
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  How about this Nashville weather?
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  Yeah. How long you lived there?
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  All will be 32 years of my life tomorrow, yeah.
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  OK, so you can tell me everything I need to know.
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  All right, This weather for people that aren't here, which
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  is all of you, it's just stopped right there.
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  But it was like torrential biblical rain.
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  You don't. You can't see, I don't think you
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  have an angle where you can see that my pants are sticking to my
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  leg with how in the like 2 minutes I was walking outside.
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  It took 2 seconds to get here and it was soaking.
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  We're on tornado watch right now.
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  Yep. There's a secret part of me that
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  kind of just hopes. For a warning.
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  Just not like the actual tornado you.
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  When did you get here? Fucking like January ago January
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  you were here. For the bad one already so far.
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  Yeah. That was that was bad.
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  I think you talked to Josh about it.
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  Yeah, it was the night before. Before Josh.
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  Episode. We met, yeah, that's right.
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  And I just set all these cameras up, like 20 grams worth of
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  cameras and I left them in here and then went and then it was
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  like the my first tornado siren thing and I was like, Oh my God,
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  it's going to be just my luck that the whole thing gets
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  flattened. They got took out of their storm
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  protective cases for one day. That was a bad one, that one.
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  Also, they I don't know if this is just a Tennessee thing, but
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  they only recently started doing the like Amber Alert on your
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  phone for weather. Oh, really?
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  Like that was only that to my recollection has only happened.
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  I think that was the first time I remember it well.
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  That yeah, like like when when like kids missing whatever is
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  happening, they're like, oh, emergency, they'll flood the
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  notification everyone within a certain area.
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  And that was the first time I remember that being a thing.
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  And I think I only remember it because it was like a every 1520
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  minutes it was like this warning is about to end and now they're
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  issuing a new one because that was one that stormed me crazy.
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  I like the way that I think it was something about the way that
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  this huge front split into five, but the front, the beginning of
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  those 5 was so strong that it tore like a moisture path for
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  all of them to hit the exact same places.
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  So it basically was just like 1 after another after another
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  after another. You get the old Nashville severe
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  weather on YouTube. Oh, dude, I was like, I'm I
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  can't go to bed. And so I just put it on the TV
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  and then I just, I just sat up and I just got work done until
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  like 4:00 AM and then I just slept in the next day.
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  We sat in the bath because we we didn't know like what what
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  you're supposed to do. And I was like, you've got to
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  sit in the bath. Because you're, you're from
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  Ohio, right? Yeah.
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  We've had tornadoes. But not there's not a lot.
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  Yeah, not like this. Yeah, not the Bible.
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  Bible tornadoes. These.
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  Are these are coming for you? The fuck?
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  Get to the ark, motherfuckers, because I'm about to fuck you
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  up. Yeah.
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  No, it's it's been very rainy this year already.
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  Yeah, that's like one thing that's bumming me out because
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  I'm like, I came to get away from rain.
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  What's this? Guys, so I've never been
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  overseas. So, so my understanding, yeah, I
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  know to my understanding is it's more just like a dreary like
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  drizzle that like you're not wet, but you're not dry.
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  From that, as yesterday, it's like a constant drizzle.
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  OK. Which does chip away at the
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  soul, but it's like less annoying.
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  Like you can plan for it to just drizzle.
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  Other than this, wouldn't this is like once a year?
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  I have friends who like people like skip their routines because
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  of this weather. I had a friend today who was
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  like, we were talking about hanging out at some point and
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  they were like, oh, I'm going to be, I have to be at work late
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  because this came up and they're like, oh, actually I'm going
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  home early because of this weather.
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  And that was the point where I said weather.
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  What do you mean? Because I just don't.
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  Yeah, I didn't know either until we started looking.
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  I woke up and it was like dark and I was like, I better go and
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  have a look. And I was like, but we didn't
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  even have a conversation. We were making this happen
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  regardless if the power cuts out, everything's backed up, so
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  we'll just cut to it and we'll just have to do a Part 2.
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  But I do hope if that does happen, we at least get a a cool
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  siren. The sirens are cool as.
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  Well, sirens are a little wild. That's something you really hear
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  more of on like this north side of town because they're located
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  in like N Nashville area. You don't get the sirens by you.
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  No, I'm, I'm up in Madison. I'm.
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  I'm a little further north. You can hear them, but like
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  where you are right now, it's like it's it's definitely louder
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  here the. Sirens like are sick.
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  Yeah, what's crazy is they test them the first Saturday of every
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  month. Time.
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  I think noon, yeah, it's like middle of the day, but I like I
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  used to work on Broadway, right. So we'd be down there and I'd.
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  Oh, I know. We.
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  Can go into that later. We would, the sirens would go
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  off in the middle of a Saturday or whatever and it's sunny and
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  beautiful and it's just everyone's flooding this fucking
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  awful St. and the sirens going crazy and nobody pays any
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  attention to it. And I'm like, this is how you
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  all die. This is why.
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  This is why you don't survive these situations because you're
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  just like, oh, I don't know what it is, so I'm going to ignore
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  it. And I'm like, I know what that
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  is. And it's still freaking me.
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  Out the 2021 fuck you up like. Not me.
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  We were actually. What was crazy was we were on
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  the road, right? So 2020, we were on the road
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  with that band, Spite Band from Texas.
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  I am Burials. Yeah, I know.
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  Yeah, I remember. It was a good tour.
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  Heavy, heavy fucking. It was a good tour.
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  Yeah, it was a great one. And that hit and then like 2
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  days later we got taken off the road.
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  So like it was it was we were gone and that happened.
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  And I was like, oh, this is fucking awful.
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  And then I got, you know, I was one of the guys.
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  I was like, I can't confirm that I had COVID at the beginning but
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  like I think I had. It yeah.
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  Oh, yeah. So this was like one of the
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  tours they got locked down. Oh.
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  Yeah, we were. We still have like 3 weeks left.
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  We've been out for three weeks. We still have three weeks left
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  and we got pulled home. But yeah, that happened while we
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  were out. And yeah, the devastation from
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  that in like East, in particular, like East Nashville.
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  Was. Very rough.
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  Not this pocket, but. Where my GM is like there's like
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  photos on their Instagram of what happened post because I I
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  used to go to that gym when I was shout out gym 5 Nashville,
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  by the way, when when I was on tour, I'd always go to gym 5
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  when I was in Nashville and then I came back in 2022, having not
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  been there since about 2019. I was like, wow, renovations
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  good for you guys. And they're like actually the
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  whole thing. You're completely.
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  Crazy. Same basement east got got
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  smacked. It actually used to be smaller
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  and because of the tornado they were able to like they're like
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  OK, cool, now we're going to expand a little bit and so on.
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  So it's actually better now. They were able.
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  To at least improve for that devastating, life altering
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  tornado, Yeah. Never been to Europe.
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  Yeah. Where you plan to go And then
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  COVID. Or yeah, 2020.
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  Yeah, cool looking course. Oh my God, that would have been
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  so. Good, absolute, or it's going to
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  be them. I am again, just As for the
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  damned and Orthodox got rescheduled like 3 times and
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  they finally cut it. And then since we weren't
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  getting offers at certain points and then any offer we've gotten,
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  it's just been like, we got an offer the other day.
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  I'm not going to say who, but like dope and it would have been
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  cool, yeah. You don't have to say it, no.
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  No, we got in it. It's nothing to do with the
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  band, but we got an offer for the tour and the way the offer
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  comes in is like obviously it's a shared bus and they offered us
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  4 bunks and we have 5 members. We can't do this very small
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  money because obviously like we've never been there.
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  So you have to prove it and I'm fine with that.
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  I understand that our dues have been kind of paid over here, not
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  over there. Hard money to make.
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  I know we're not going to sell that much merch.
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  That's hard to do and then one of us is going to sleep on the
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  floor. I don't know how that works.
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  So it's just like it's. Illegal.
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  Yeah, and if the bus crashes, the bus company gets sued.
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  The band that offered you that shit could get sued.
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  That's crazy. But so yeah, they just like the
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  offers themselves have just not been enough.
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  And then we got like 3 recently that were all started this year.
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  One of them even was like boundaries offered us the tour
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  they just did. Those are like our best friends.
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  Fucking love that band tour Crushed.
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  Also, I don't like that tour. We got it offered and we were
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  just like, right now the offer they sent us is fair for what?
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  Like you can't you can't send an offer to a band on anticipated
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  value. But we were just like, we've
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  waited this long, we may as well wait till this record is out
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  because who fucking knows what could happen.
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  You know, good move. So we've just been patient and
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  now our goal is to get get out there hopefully start of next
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  year. I think there is, well, you said
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  you're 32. There's definitely like a limit
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  in my aging of touring where it's like after a certain time
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  it's like I just can't do that for that money.
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  Like I have AI have a life. But I appreciate that you
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  understand you got to take a shitty tour the first time you
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  go, but there's no harm in, like waiting out.
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  That other one would have been pretty good had you had the
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  beds. Sure, but like, low key, not
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  offering someone a place to sleep, it's like fucking human
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  rights violation. You got 5 of you.
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  Yeah, well, four of you can sleep.
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  The fifth guy was going to fucking stand up or rent a van
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  for him. It may even just be a thing of
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  like the band told the agent to offer it, whatever.
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  And if it's a European agent, they don't fucking know us.
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  We've been there. So that's probably what happens.
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  And even like we do that a lot. Not a lot, but like trying to
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  share crew with bands so that we can have more bands on the bus
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  so everyone makes more money because it's the bane of my
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  life. In fact, by the time this goes
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  out, straight in the Bath will have split up.
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  So that's. Wait, what?
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  Yeah, we're we're done. No way.
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  Yeah, that stays between us for now.
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  So I think when this record comes out, the the offers are
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  going to come flying in because you obviously you're getting
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  you're getting offers from friends in bands that know you
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  guys are fucking sick. And then what's going to happen?
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  This record is going to come out because I fucking love it.
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  I was talking to Austin earlier today really about how much I
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  love your record. And I think the offers are going
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  to go crazy and you're going to get you're going to get the
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  offers where you're going to have to make a decision.
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  I wonder where you are because you come from the hardcore scene
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  really. But like, it's pretty heavy.
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  I think we've somehow, I don't even say this with any kind of
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  ego. Like it's like genuinely, we've
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  somehow found a way to, I don't know any bands that sound like
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  us. And we found a way, especially
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  with Austin, who I'm sad couldn't.
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  I literally was telling him today because I took him to the
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  airport. You texted me like, oh, I've got
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  time for somebody else to come to.
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  And I was like, I'm going to take him to the airport like 2
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  hours before. Yeah, we're going to do this,
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  but. He did say and he was like, what
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  time are you doing it? I was like.
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  Six yeah, another time anyways, he what's cool about orthodox is
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  all of us listen to totally different shit, you know and the
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  way that he writes. I don't I can't even really
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  conceive. I don't understand how his brain
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  works, but he does it very well and in that I think where you've
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  found a sound that can meld with just by anybody.
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  That's what I mean. We're done.
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  You're going to get these offers.
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  Oh yeah. And it's going to be a band
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  maybe you think is lame, but it's like, oh, we've been going
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  to make us some money. Sure, sure.
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  And I mean, business decisions are business decisions.
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  We got an offer last summer that for a tour, we would have been
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  selling this band's tickets, but they were like, we'll give you
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  this a night. And I was like, that would put
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  in a van, guys, Yeah. Yeah, sometimes that happens.
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  Yeah, but yeah, I mean, coming from a hardcore background, like
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  I didn't do this to hit a ceiling, you know?
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  Yeah, yeah. Cool.
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  And I, I think that's one of the weird things about like
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  sometimes it's a little strange with like hardcore mentality
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  where, I don't know, bands like Turn Style or Pain of Truth get
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  hate because they're being successful.
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  And I'm like, I understand that like kids you don't like now
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  like this. And so it's not your special
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  little thing anymore. But the reason this is able to
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  continue and able to grow and more bands are even able to get
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  opportunities, it's just I don't.
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  I don't like things that eat themselves.
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  Yeah. And it's just that.
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  But it's the same. I think everyone always
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  attributes it to hardcore, I guess because we're all in the
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  like metal core hardcore scene that I talk to.
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  But like black metal is exactly the same thing.
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  Like the band is real evil and then they have pyro or like.
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  Which is evil as fuck. Yeah, which is so evil, but
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  like, they're literal. They'll do a tour with the death
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  metal band and then everyone's like, oh, these guys used to be
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  good, and then everyone says they're bad.
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  It happens in every single story.
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  I would love to see like you guys on like one of those
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  massive like metal core tours. I would.
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  I just want to be in front of people.
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  I don't. Care.
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  We do. Yeah, I did.
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  Yeah, I cut, cut that. No.
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  Leave it, leave it. That's what we did.
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  It's just like the metal core tours.
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  Just like like we did a tour. It was Underoath.
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  Fuck me, you couldn't, Oh yeah, You couldn't do this in this
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  order. It was Underoath spirit Box bad
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  omen stray. That's pretty fucked.
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  Up, to be honest. And that was.
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  In 2020. One, I remember that tour.
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  I remember talking to Tom about that tour.
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  You would have to have $1,000,000 a night to do that
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  for now. Great.
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  I mean, Underoath would be two of four on that tour now.
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  Yeah, it's crazy. Which is not even like a dig at
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  Underoath. It's like bad omens and spear
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  boxes. Yeah, it's unbelievable.
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  This is what I was talking to Austin about earlier.
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  I can't remember if I've told you about it and it was added in
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  the interest. These people already know it,
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  but you don't and you don't get his reaction from it.
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  The thing I really like about this record is there is a whole
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  and I'm not putting you into this box, but there is like a
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  2000 metal core revival thing happening now, which is cool and
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  I'm into a lot of it like the kill switchy bits, the the the
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  breakdown with the chorus with sounds like Howard, you know,
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  basically kill switch to dying wish.
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  Does it incredibly like not? To say they're just.
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  Ripping on it, but like with me with that kind of metal core,
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  this is going to sound insane. And this is my like my thoughts
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  on it is like, why are you as a man singing like a girl?
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  Damn. Leave it in the podcast, leave
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  it in the podcast. I mean that tongue in cheek, but
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  I love it when people can sing. I've got so many friends and
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  bands that can sing right. But for me personally with that
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  music, I'd like never really like kill switch.
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  I like the stuff pre Howard like I liked it a little bit more
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  gritty. That was all tongue in cheek.
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  I'm leaving it in because it's funny.
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  But so I think dying wish, like escalate the kill switch thing
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  for me where it's like she sings like I prefer the sound of a
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  girl singing. So she makes those choruses
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  sound incredible. You guys don't really fall into
• 17:50
  the 2000 revival thing on the heavy side, but your ambient
• 17:55
  sections like use of samples, the weird things like all sound
• 18:03
  like 2000s relapse bands. Remember, like even here, burnt
• 18:07
  by the Sun. I've heard.
• 18:10
  Oh my God, listen. To so if you don't even know,
• 18:13
  maybe maybe Austin knows, but there's like bits where you'll
• 18:16
  do like a down tempo section, ambient section.
• 18:19
  I think the last track has a little weird ambient thing in
• 18:21
  it. And I'm like, I feel like I'm
• 18:23
  listening to like a 2000 Relapse band.
• 18:25
  Yeah, but you add a little bit of Gojira and the Sugar and
• 18:30
  Randy's insane production. Oh yeah, in there.
• 18:33
  Can't like play Randy on that one.
• 18:34
  That's how I would sell people when I hadn't been selling
• 18:37
  people in Orthodox. I'm like, imagine this.
• 18:39
  Imagine the cool 2000s metal core.
• 18:42
  But then it's new. I wasn't even going to ask you a
• 18:45
  question. I was just wanting to get that
• 18:46
  out. Just wanted to get that out
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  We might as well actually talk about your record.
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  Sure, I'm just going to go straight in.
• 19:40
  How on earth? How?
• 19:43
  Why? Ron Dyer from Mastodon.
• 19:46
  Shyla, our bassist sales merch for Lorna Shore.
• 19:49
  That's like his gig and he did the three headed Mon, was it 3
• 19:53
  headed monster? Whatever the tour that was, that
• 19:55
  was like Lorna, Gojira, Mastodon.
• 19:57
  Massive tour. In that he, you know, met the
• 20:01
  Mastodon guys, just became friends with Bron and we were
• 20:04
  talking about who we wanted to sing that part because we wanted
• 20:08
  to get like a clean part over that.
• 20:11
  We thought that'd be really cool and.
• 20:13
  We just, we're going back and forth and who could do it?
• 20:15
  Who could do it? We kind of like put out some
• 20:17
  feelers for certain things. Didn't hear back on a lot of
• 20:18
  stuff. And we were like, we don't know,
• 20:19
  we're going to get to do this. And Shell was like, what about
• 20:21
  Ron? I was like, why?
• 20:24
  Yeah, sure. Why didn't we think of that?
• 20:26
  And then he reached out and before he even heard the song,
• 20:28
  he's like, yeah, I'm down, let's do it.
• 20:30
  That's so fucking. Cool.
• 20:32
  And then he had, I mean, he's a mass on so he's all over the
• 20:36
  place all the fucking time and traveling a ton.
• 20:39
  Couldn't get it done. Literally came down to like we
• 20:42
  knew this by this day or when we get home, we got to try like a
• 20:45
  Plan B and we're in fucking Hartford, CT.
• 20:49
  And he sends us like the thing that they do when you send the
• 20:54
  video of the monitor so you can hear the part basically.
• 20:56
  And we listen, and we're like. So he went to a full studio to
• 21:01
  track it. Yeah.
• 21:02
  No, he didn't. He did it with his producer.
• 21:03
  Yeah, see. I think that's real cool and it
• 21:07
  actually harks back as if I meant to ask that question
• 21:09
  first, which I didn't. It harks back to like if you
• 21:13
  were twer, you twer you to put in obviously metal core
• 21:18
  vocalists into your music, it would make it shit for me.
• 21:23
  But you picked like, no, no Shane on anything.
• 21:27
  But I don't know, it's like unlike like evil, like weird.
• 21:30
  I'm not the biggest sing, I mean I like singing a metal, but I
• 21:34
  like singing a new metal most the time.
• 21:36
  I see, but like I think it's cool you obviously struggled to
• 21:40
  find someone that fit the vibe. Was there anyone else in the mix
• 21:44
  that said no? We only reached out to one
• 21:46
  person. They didn't even say no.
• 21:47
  They just didn't get back to us. We reached out to Julian Baker.
• 21:50
  That would have been sick as well, but again, a insanely good
• 21:53
  pick like that fits perfect. We needed somebody that we knew
• 21:56
  had volume and dynamic because the part itself, like, travels
• 22:01
  all over the pitch that when even like when I wrote my
• 22:06
  initial part of like, this is what I think would be cool here.
• 22:09
  We sat down with Randy and he was like, yeah, man, I like your
• 22:11
  idea, but it's it doesn't work. And I was like, OK, well, yeah,
• 22:14
  fuck me, What what can we do? And literally, I sent the
• 22:18
  reference to Braun. I didn't say Shiloh sent the
• 22:21
  reference to Braun. And then he wrote his own part,
• 22:25
  his own melody, his own lyrics, and sent that back.
• 22:27
  And I was like, Yep. And it worked.
• 22:29
  So you so yours by your own admission also didn't work like
• 22:32
  you agreed with Randy or you were like I'm.
• 22:35
  I'm not. It worked in my head.
• 22:37
  But then he like literally sat down on his little roads and
• 22:39
  like showed me where the notes would have to be.
• 22:42
  And I was like, yeah, I can understand having the deliberate
• 22:46
  conflicting note thing could work, but I'm not, I'm not a
• 22:49
  singer. It's like if I did it, it would
• 22:50
  need to be like I would need to have a skill right now that I
• 22:54
  don't. So I was fine with I, I'm never
• 22:58
  close to critique on things like that, but I was because Randy
• 23:02
  showed me how difficult it was going to be to find something
• 23:04
  for it. I was a little nervous about
• 23:07
  what Ron was going to come up with.
• 23:08
  And oh, right. Randy just straight up said you
• 23:11
  couldn't fit any clean vocals in here.
• 23:13
  It wasn't that he couldn't. Fit clean vocals.
• 23:15
  We just, we were in there for a month and he was like, I'm
• 23:18
  having a hard time finding a melody that I think works.
• 23:21
  So he made a bunch of references that did work.
• 23:23
  He's a genius. Truly quite.
• 23:25
  Literally hard as working dude. I know it's kind of crazy.
• 23:28
  Yeah, he he was like, these are a couple different things that
• 23:30
  we could try and they all sounded kind of like Deftonesy,
• 23:33
  like major to minor type stuff. But yeah, I mean, Bron did his
• 23:38
  own thing and it was nothing like I expected at all.
• 23:41
  And it was way better than I anticipated by a landslide.
• 23:44
  He. Has one of the most underrated
• 23:47
  voices in metal, and I don't think it's underrated.
• 23:49
  What people not thinking it's great.
• 23:51
  I don't think they know it's they don't know it's him.
• 23:53
  Yeah, yeah. And to be honest with you, I'm a
• 23:55
  big Mastodon fan. When Oblivion came out, I didn't
• 23:59
  know it was him until I saw him live.
• 24:00
  And that was like my favorite, favorite Mastodon, like vocal
• 24:05
  performance. And I was like, wait, a fucking
• 24:07
  yeah, it's him. Yeah, Stoked on that.
• 24:11
  I met Bran at the AT. I met Bran at Nam.
• 24:17
  The not Vietnam, not the Vietnam War, but at the whatever the
• 24:21
  music name was. Yeah.
• 24:23
  Nam, Nam, Nam. I met him at Nam and he was just
• 24:27
  like the nicest guy ever. He was just like fucking hanging
• 24:30
  out and drinking. And I was like, I had to try
• 24:32
  really hard not to punish him because you're fucking cool,
• 24:34
  bro. Yeah.
• 24:35
  Really want him. On the podcast.
• 24:36
  He said he'd do it, but I don't know.
• 24:39
  I don't know what happened. You know what happens when
• 24:41
  someone big leaves a band and then everyone's like, we don't
• 24:43
  want to do any press. Not that he said that, but I
• 24:45
  imagine that's happening. It's probably they.
• 24:46
  Probably pull it back a little bit if I had to imagine a door
• 24:49
  left. Open.
• 24:50
  What does it mean? That's such a festival question,
• 24:52
  but I actually want to know. Yeah.
• 24:55
  The record kind of isn't like a tide concept, but like, I like
• 24:59
  to try to have something thematic throughout every record
• 25:03
  because it feels weird. I just have a bunch of random
• 25:04
  songs in my brain. And this is all kind of tied
• 25:08
  around the idea that like, everything as blatant as like,
• 25:12
  imagine you came home and your doors open.
• 25:14
  Just that feeling of unease or you're in your helm and the
• 25:18
  doors open and like you're like, the concept is like what got out
• 25:22
  or what got in and that's kind of like the cut and dry the the
• 25:26
  feeling. Of it, you know what that was on
• 25:28
  the press release that I read, but I'll say this wasn't wasn't
• 25:31
  written very well. I couldn't understand it.
• 25:33
  I'm getting so much fucking trouble for that.
• 25:35
  Leave it in. But you say there's no, there's
• 25:37
  no real, you know, concept behind the thing When I when I
• 25:42
  think of a concept. Record.
• 25:43
  I think of like Defeater, where they're telling a story, yeah.
• 25:46
  Yeah, actually. Speak of, but no in, in terms of
• 25:51
  the concept, it's a loose concept where I try to write as
• 25:55
  universally as I can to where people can.
• 25:57
  If you're going through whatever you're going through, but you
• 25:58
  can relate to it, it's not so specific that like you can't
• 26:00
  connect it on your own. But I, I use a lot of metaphor
• 26:04
  and so on. Like Keith Buckley is probably
• 26:06
  my favorite lyricist. So like metaphor, things like
• 26:08
  that. It's just what I've grown up
• 26:10
  writing. Another genius.
• 26:11
  Oh, truly? Yeah.
• 26:14
  And in that was just like trying to tie things together almost
• 26:20
  for my own sanity, more so than it being important that people
• 26:22
  understood it's a concept. There's no.
• 26:25
  Correlation between track 1 and the last track.
• 26:27
  Oh, there is. Yeah, because I'm reading and
• 26:30
  I'm like, like like I. Said there is a correlation, it
• 26:33
  is just it's not deliberate or it is sorry, that's not what I
• 26:37
  mean. If you don't get it, you can
• 26:39
  still understand the record. Like I want each song to shine
• 26:42
  on its own, but then like the last track, I'm honestly very
• 26:44
  proud of how it wraps with that little spoken thing because I
• 26:47
  was able to go in and like I made it my point to pull lines
• 26:52
  from songs that if you just looked at them individually,
• 26:54
  you'd be like, this has nothing to do with each other, but like
• 26:56
  pull it all together there. That was like that was kind of
• 26:59
  the, the goal was to leave a part where you'd be like, wait,
• 27:02
  I missed that. Now I need to hit play again.
• 27:04
  I literally did. Exactly.
• 27:05
  That in the gym earlier today because I noticed I was like,
• 27:08
  wait, that was earlier on. And then I'm looking at the
• 27:11
  track listings and it's let me see if I can do this without
• 27:13
  checking my notes. It's can you save me?
• 27:15
  Where will you hate me? Can you save me track 1 where
• 27:18
  you hate me track 10 or whatever 12 I think. 12, good for you,
• 27:23
  yeah. Well fuck, I couldn't be me.
• 27:25
  Fuck me 10 always does that tie up the the the first track or
• 27:31
  ties up the whole record. It's like the tie.
• 27:33
  In for the record, it doesn't even say like conclude anything.
• 27:36
  It's just that was kind of my way of showing, of saying like,
• 27:40
  hey, there was something, there was a point because like the
• 27:44
  record itself is called A Door Left Open.
• 27:46
  We actually had a song that I think is like the main tie of
• 27:50
  everything I wrote around is the song Step Inside that was
• 27:54
  originally called A Door Left Open until we decided that was
• 27:56
  the album title, in which case I was like, all right, we're going
• 27:58
  to change that because we're not super big fans of having title
• 28:02
  tracks because it feels like there's a pressure there.
• 28:04
  So that's like, I don't even remember what I was saying with
• 28:07
  that. Essentially the end of that, the
• 28:08
  record with that is not like a this is over.
• 28:10
  It's just like a hey, so you know, like these do all line up
• 28:14
  in some way. What is the little?
• 28:16
  Talkie thing to me. Just you, Yeah.
• 28:19
  What are all the other? Samples.
• 28:20
  What is the sample of the guy that says I just wasted in that?
• 28:25
  His brother? I just wasted an hour of my life
• 28:28
  talking to some idiot because they were hot.
• 28:30
  Yeah. Brother, that is, that is a
• 28:32
  voice memo that Shiloh, the Lorna Shore merch seller.
• 28:35
  Yeah, some dipshit was just walking up to the table and was
• 28:41
  like, I just had this, you got to listen to me, man, blah,
• 28:43
  blah, blah, and just started going.
• 28:46
  And Trilo just like took his phone was like, yeah, yeah,
• 28:48
  totally. What's going on?
• 28:49
  And just recorded it. Yeah.
• 28:52
  So that is just some Lorna Shore fan.
• 28:54
  And the actual, The funny thing about it, so the story of it is
• 28:56
  that Lorna Shore was playing the same venue as Guns and Roses,
• 29:00
  but it's two different rooms. This dude, I guess we cut part
• 29:03
  of it out because it was like we don't need a 42nd sample of this
• 29:05
  guy, but saying. Just.
• 29:07
  Saying, yeah, but like, he was standing in line with his girl
• 29:10
  for this show that he thought was hot, whatever.
• 29:13
  And then they're talking about they're ready for the heavy
• 29:15
  metal show. Whatever.
• 29:17
  And then she was going to the Guns and Roses show, and he was
• 29:19
  like, you think that's how, oh, you call that heavy metal?
• 29:22
  You want to know about heavy metal?
• 29:24
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 29:27
  Oh, that's so. Sick.
• 29:28
  I love that made on the album. That's what I mean by like the
• 29:30
  sort of two the 2000s metal core.
• 29:34
  Not even I don't even think you'd call it an influence, but
• 29:36
  like there used to be all these. Oh yeah, I mean that.
• 29:38
  Bits. And to me, samples and shit the
• 29:41
  samples. Of it and all that.
• 29:42
  Like we, we, we were talking about like the samples we want
• 29:47
  and all this stuff. And a big conversation we had
• 29:49
  was like, the music will speak for itself.
• 29:51
  We don't need to be serious the whole time.
• 29:53
  So like the first song ends with a sample of someone going.
• 29:56
  If you've got a problem with it, I'll whoop your ass.
• 29:58
  That's Andy from A Plea for Purging.
• 30:00
  He we did two shows. With them right, like the day
• 30:03
  before we left for the studio last year and he blew his voice
• 30:06
  because poor guy hadn't yelled in over a decade.
• 30:10
  And he was like at at the end of the show, he was like, oh, you
• 30:13
  know, love you bud, like so on and so forth.
• 30:15
  And he was like, I was talking shit about you guys out there,
• 30:17
  but like it wouldn't I'd love you guys so much.
• 30:19
  I was like, oh, what do you say? And I pulled my voice memo out
• 30:21
  and he's like, well, well, you know, like just starts going.
• 30:24
  And then he was like, you're never going to fucking beat me.
• 30:28
  But he's like in all this different stuff.
• 30:30
  And then he said, yeah, but if you got a problem with it, I'll
• 30:32
  whoop your ass. And we put that as a
• 30:35
  placeholder. I was like, oh, we should have
• 30:37
  something funny here because we in my brain we were thinking of
• 30:41
  like self-titled Slipknot. Like that's like where we were.
• 30:44
  Yeah, that's where. What I'm getting from as well
• 30:46
  and. I was like, that'd be a funny
• 30:48
  place holder. And then we're like, no, that's
• 30:49
  just what it should be. That's just what we need to do.
• 30:51
  So that's so. Sick.
• 30:52
  Yeah. You ever think about bringing a
• 30:54
  guy in? Are you doing these live?
• 30:55
  Are you doing the samples live? Yeah.
• 30:56
  Yeah, we have a. Session with a click for Mike.
• 30:59
  That's what I was going to. Say you're a click band.
• 31:01
  We're a click band. We weren't until learning to
• 31:05
  dissolve the last record came out, but that was when we took
• 31:09
  out like a like technical proficiency step up in the
• 31:15
  instrumental parts and it was like a if we're not on a click,
• 31:18
  we are going to fall off. You've got crazy.
• 31:20
  Tempo changes and like so that click must be all over the
• 31:23
  place. It is and.
• 31:24
  Mike, I can't brag enough on like how hard our drummer has
• 31:30
  worked and how big of an upgrade he was from let it take his
• 31:34
  course to learning to dissolve. And then even just the month we
• 31:38
  were in there for learning to dissolve.
• 31:39
  Those are a bunch of parts. Like, a lot of those parts are
• 31:41
  like, Austin the guitarist wrote it on the fucking DAW.
• 31:45
  And so he's just clicking buttons like, this sounds cool.
• 31:47
  You have three arms. Whatever.
• 31:48
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Mike did his sick.
• 31:50
  And Mike would be like, oh, this part is crazy.
• 31:53
  I need to try to get there. And so he like was just in the
• 31:57
  shed every day until Randy. I believe Sam is like Will
• 32:03
  Googly. I'm all them record drums last.
• 32:05
  Yeah, yeah, it's the same. They they were collective.
• 32:07
  Yeah, which you see, you genius find.
• 32:09
  The way, Yeah. Oh, the best.
• 32:10
  I don't know why. I never, I don't know, I I guess
• 32:13
  producers like recording the rest to live drums, but I'm
• 32:17
  like, it just it doesn't if you're there.
• 32:18
  For a month. Then it just makes the most
• 32:20
  sense to just record the drums last, especially with the
• 32:22
  technology. We have to have program drum
• 32:24
  placeholders. And like I already said, that
• 32:26
  second chorus doesn't work. Let's just get rid of it.
• 32:29
  Whereas if you've already tracked the drums, it's like,
• 32:31
  well, we can't just, you can't copy and paste that because
• 32:33
  there's a symbol going on or whatever and you can't go put
• 32:35
  the mic. Exactly where it was, you know?
• 32:37
  Yeah, exactly. So all that said, can't brag on
• 32:40
  Mic and on Mike White enough for how much he is just transition
• 32:46
  or transition transcended himself over and over again.
• 32:50
  And this record in particular, he just is the.
• 32:54
  Drums and. The drums are crazy.
• 32:55
  Everything's crazy though. The guitar's crazy.
• 32:57
  It's like weird little guitar noises that are like this.
• 32:59
  Crazy breakdowns. There's crazy tempo changes,
• 33:04
  like obviously your crazy voice, like I'm so glad I don't.
• 33:07
  Play an instrument in this goddamn band.
• 33:08
  Genuinely. I'm, I mean this from the what
• 33:11
  my heart is genuinely as far as heavy albums, this year is my
• 33:14
  number one. Wow.
• 33:16
  Thank you if death heaven. Doesn't count.
• 33:18
  I don't know when it came out. I'll be playing.
• 33:20
  Out this year, but it's like half shoe guys.
• 33:22
  So I'm like, I mean a heavy, heavy album.
• 33:25
  But if you're talking about like, oh.
• 33:26
  It's half this other genre like low that's coming too.
• 33:29
  So like true, yeah. But you're up there.
• 33:32
  I appreciate it. You're up there.
• 33:33
  Top three When the conversation. When the conversation.
• 33:36
  That's why I fucking love it if. You just think about nicking the
• 33:38
  guy from Vain. I don't think he's even.
• 33:40
  Anything more? Yeah, I know.
• 33:41
  That's what. I mean, he's doing nothing.
• 33:43
  It's. Five people in a van's already
• 33:45
  pretty tight. No offence to people.
• 33:46
  It's dope when people do it. I don't think we use it enough
• 33:50
  to knead it. Yeah, it's another.
• 33:52
  Mouth to feed that's another bunk to not have on exactly yeah
• 33:55
  we're. Going to be up with six people.
• 33:57
  Yeah, we need. We can give you 5 bucks this
• 33:59
  time. Oh fuck, we've got a sick.
• 34:00
  No. Are you on ears when you've got
• 34:04
  are you got the click or you're just playing to the band?
• 34:06
  It is just Mike. Is the only one with an ear.
• 34:08
  That's how we do it. As well the band wants.
• 34:11
  To get ears eventually. They all love the no count, you
• 34:16
  know shit. I personally don't like the idea
• 34:19
  of being restricted anyway physically.
• 34:21
  But also, I don't know, my favorite band is System of a
• 34:24
  Down and they're like, are you #1?
• 34:26
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 34:28
  And they don't play to anything. They just go.
• 34:31
  They go respectfully. Yeah, it shows.
• 34:36
  Yeah, you know. Good for you.
• 34:38
  Yeah, good for you. But in that it's like there is
• 34:40
  like a punk element to that, that I think you lose the moment
• 34:44
  that you don't have those like I, I.
• 34:47
  Think for vocalists, every vocalist I know just absolutely
• 34:50
  hates being on the ears unless they are trying to hit those
• 34:53
  crazy notes because it makes them that easier for you.
• 34:54
  All right, you guys did the stick toward, didn't you?
• 34:57
  The diamond one. Yeah, when was that?
• 34:59
  2023. 2023. Did you find like, at that point
• 35:05
  were Stig fans welcoming of orthodox levels of heavy?
• 35:09
  I don't even know what a Stig fan really is.
• 35:13
  In my head they're like punk kids.
• 35:14
  Well. I'm I say that because I don't
• 35:16
  know that we experienced a real stick to your gun store.
• 35:19
  It was it was 10 years of diamond and I think we got a
• 35:22
  bunch of the people that loved diamond and then fell off
• 35:26
  because like they're an answer. Like even comeback kid was
• 35:28
  having to fucking pull from it. And I'm like, if you're a
• 35:32
  Diamond fan and you don't no Wake the Dead, it's like a very
• 35:35
  weird thing. And and we even just did the
• 35:39
  Wake the Dead tour, the 20 year tour of that.
• 35:40
  And we took that because we love comeback in with other guys and
• 35:43
  with that was like the record for me to get into hardcore.
• 35:46
  So it was like a cool sentimental thing.
• 35:48
  But we did it with a lot of trepidation because we took the
• 35:52
  10 year of the Diamond tour with Comeback Head and we kind of ate
• 35:55
  shit on that sometimes. Really.
• 35:56
  Yeah. That's why, that's why I asked
• 35:58
  about the stick thing, because I think if we did.
• 36:00
  A regular stick to your gun store, I think.
• 36:02
  I think we were both Smash, but I just think they wanted to.
• 36:07
  Yeah, the. The diamond fans were not I I
• 36:10
  don't know if that was AI don't know if that was a proper sample
• 36:13
  of like a stick to your guns fan.
• 36:14
  Have you got like a? Dream band that you'd want to
• 36:17
  tour with that's not like. Massive no, it can be.
• 36:20
  Massive, I mean system of. A down, Yeah, it's too easy.
• 36:22
  Now, though, I was about to say, but not System of a Down because
• 36:25
  obviously that's on that. Like I want to tour with
• 36:27
  Metallica, you know, when I saw. My friends in not lose play the
• 36:31
  fucking Slipknot self-titled tour.
• 36:33
  I was like, it'd be pretty cool if we could do the Iowa 1.
• 36:35
  Like you know how long you got for that?
• 36:37
  Till Iowa. Next year, next year I.
• 36:40
  Think next year done pop this album.
• 36:43
  Listen to this fucking album. Yeah, that'd be a good fucking.
• 36:45
  Slipknot, if you're listening, it's out.
• 36:48
  That would be I mean. Very good friends with V, man.
• 36:50
  So there's every chance. Yeah, yeah.
• 36:52
  Yeah, I mean, obviously you won't always want to do the tour
• 36:54
  with your idols and so on. I think in terms of like the
• 36:59
  Within Reach bucket list bands I had, we've actually gotten to
• 37:02
  tour with all the ones that haven't broken up.
• 37:04
  So yeah, yeah, it, it's a, it's a weird question for me from
• 37:08
  what you're saying, it's. Like those you want those 2000
• 37:11
  new metal, Like big, big big ones.
• 37:13
  I I just want to play. To a lot of people.
• 37:15
  I want to play to a lot of people.
• 37:16
  Because I would say like Orthodox live is a force and I
• 37:21
  feel like there's plenty of people who don't like our music
• 37:23
  that like watching us. I've never seen you.
• 37:25
  And I'm gutted for it. Well, it's it's.
• 37:28
  Fun. We're very, I will say.
• 37:30
  I've toured a. Long time, very little to do
• 37:33
  with myself. The band behind me is better
• 37:35
  than almost every tour we've we've been on.
• 37:37
  Like they are so talented. It's love it when that.
• 37:40
  Happens, you know, we've been. Touring for the band has been
• 37:43
  touring since 2013. This collective has been I think
• 37:46
  since 2018 and it's just it's very locked in.
• 37:50
  Our energy is very all over the place.
• 37:53
  I think if I was to like pick what could we do?
• 37:55
  That's I would just like to play.
• 37:59
  I want to play to a room that's like full, but it's not like
• 38:01
  it's not already people that know us.
• 38:03
  I like the idea of playing to people that are like
• 38:06
  experiencing brand new. This is this right now.
• 38:11
  I've never heard of it. And it's surrounded by people
• 38:13
  because it's like if you see it in a basement, there's like 2 of
• 38:15
  you. It's cool, but like when you see
• 38:17
  it in a room full of like 5 to 500 to 1500 people, even bigger,
• 38:23
  whatever, the energy is going to consume you no matter what.
• 38:25
  Yeah, like a. Three or five or a direct about
• 38:30
  that perfect the Goldilocks slot being either just before the
• 38:35
  headliner and people aren't there to see you but you've got
• 38:37
  the full room or like a bigger bill with an even bigger
• 38:40
  headliner but that room is still filled yeah and I.
• 38:44
  Also love the idea of playing to a crowd that isn't like if we
• 38:48
  did like a a hip hop tour. I think because we are a very
• 38:51
  groove oriented band, we could win a lot of people over in ways
• 38:54
  that they wouldn't expect. And I also I love, I think one
• 38:58
  of my favorite things about touring with people, at least
• 39:00
  when the bands aren't absolute fucking Dick heads, is the
• 39:03
  friendly competition of it. Like, I'm going to smoke your
• 39:05
  band tonight. I love that.
• 39:07
  That's the direct. Support one way.
• 39:09
  I'm just like, dude. People all the time are like,
• 39:13
  oh, they shouldn't have taken this band out, blah, blah, blah.
• 39:14
  And I'm like, no, no, no. If you as a headliner are not
• 39:18
  taking a band that makes you go like this, you're like, oh,
• 39:20
  shit, we got to go up now. Yeah.
• 39:22
  Then you'd pick the wrong you pick the wrong band.
• 39:24
  Hang on that. Wasn't the Diamond tour?
• 39:27
  That definitely wasn't the Diamond tour, which was the one
• 39:29
  that Kubla Khan was on. That was before.
• 39:31
  That was the one before, yeah, like.
• 39:33
  I love Sticks Your Guns. Love them today, love every guy
• 39:36
  in the band. I saw Kubla Khan support Sticks
• 39:39
  Your Guns at the Gramercy on that tour and it was rough.
• 39:44
  They fought like there's a level to like if you're not taking a
• 39:46
  band that makes you fucking pinch your asshole a bit.
• 39:50
  But like they say, I mean I think.
• 39:52
  Obviously you know how far in advanced tours are are booked
• 39:55
  now. We've got a tour for May, June
• 39:57
  2026 right now. I can't imagine that.
• 40:01
  They probably had that tour book six months in advance, if not
• 40:03
  further before they were. And then, you know, Kubicon has
• 40:06
  been on a a steady, like upward trajectory for the last like, 10
• 40:11
  years. And then suddenly it just became
• 40:13
  90°. Yeah.
• 40:15
  It it speaks to the character of Kubicon to be like, we're not
• 40:17
  going to drop your tour. Yeah, we're going to do this
• 40:20
  because we said we would. They did another one.
• 40:22
  Of those recently sort of cut you in.
• 40:23
  I remember seeing it was like White Chapel launch or Kubicon
• 40:26
  someone else. I was like none of these bands
• 40:28
  need each other. It's true, but that's.
• 40:30
  Also, oh, is Sangwa Sugabab was the opener.
• 40:33
  Yeah, that lineup we I had a lot of discussions with people about
• 40:36
  that line about like why is Kubicon under Whitechapel?
• 40:41
  And I'm like, well, that's where like legacy plays a part.
• 40:43
  And like, if it's not a death core headliner, it's it's
• 40:45
  flipped for sure. Yeah, true.
• 40:47
  But it's also like. Lorna Sword being a death core
• 40:49
  band is like, oh, we have to take Whitechapel out.
• 40:52
  Like that's like that's there's a band I'd love to tour with.
• 40:54
  It's Whitechapel. Whitechapel, yeah.
• 40:56
  Yeah, do you know what I did? Whitechapel's first ever UK tour
• 41:02
  in 2007 on the Somatic Defilement tour.
• 41:08
  We were we were labeled might mates in the UK heaviest.
• 41:11
  Record in deathcore ever by the way they.
• 41:14
  Invented. I mean, I don't want to say
• 41:16
  invented because development was doing it and stuff like that,
• 41:18
  but they pretty much brought to the mainstream the Gen.
• 41:22
  Gen. Gen. huge gap.
• 41:30
  Like fuck me, the first time I heard that record they were
• 41:33
  like, they were kids. I was a kid that I stayed at my
• 41:36
  parents house and shit. And then now they're like, oh
• 41:39
  dude. Tennessee Boys.
• 41:40
  As well. I guess that's still yeah.
• 41:42
  That could happen, do you know? Any of the guys we played their.
• 41:46
  Christmas show a couple of years ago.
• 41:48
  I know that some of them are fans of the band.
• 41:50
  I'd love to do it. I think it's just a matter of we
• 41:52
  just, I think it's because this record hadn't come out yet.
• 41:55
  We haven't we haven't been on the radar for people.
• 41:56
  A lot of people like if you're very in the know, you probably
• 41:58
  know Orthodox because we've just been touring so much.
• 42:00
  But we haven't had a record like we've already surpassed the peak
• 42:05
  of last record success before this final single.
• 42:08
  This record was even out and I will.
• 42:10
  Hold my hands up to being that person as well.
• 42:12
  Like I always saw the like I knew the last record and I saw
• 42:16
  the name on the line up and stuff and then you put these
• 42:18
  singles out and I just went holy fucking shit, we came out.
• 42:23
  Swinging incredibly hard on this record I think.
• 42:27
  What was the first single? Searching for a pulse.
• 42:29
  Well, technically Commit to Consequence was the one with the
• 42:32
  long sample. Wasn't a single in the sense of
• 42:35
  it wasn't a part of the album roll out for a Door Left Open.
• 42:37
  But we were about to go out with Comeback Kid and we had a plan
• 42:41
  to put Searching for a Pulse out in March.
• 42:43
  So we were like, we may as well do this.
• 42:44
  So like people are already looking at it and that's the
• 42:46
  one. With Andrew on it, yeah, that's
• 42:48
  what I did. Yeah, mate.
• 42:49
  So you want to just get? Go ahead and do it, yeah.
• 42:51
  Yeah, make. Him do he did that.
• 42:53
  Part almost every single night. He always does it.
• 42:56
  Always. Every time I've ever seen him,
• 42:58
  every time he toys with a bandit, he's done their part.
• 43:00
  He's on the stage I thought we'd get.
• 43:01
  Him three or four times and he every night I'd look around and
• 43:04
  he's just run, just running towards me.
• 43:06
  I'm like, all right. The man loves.
• 43:08
  Music. Oh yeah, he's like a fucking.
• 43:11
  He's like an old head at this point, even though like, yeah,
• 43:14
  he's like in his. 40s I mean, I'm.
• 43:16
  Getting up there as well, yeah, he's also.
• 43:18
  I'd say I think because Comeback Kid isn't like what is the hot
• 43:23
  sound right now? People forget how good that band
• 43:26
  is and people they. Were like I remember they
• 43:29
  shaped. They shaped the genre for a
• 43:30
  minute. Turn it around.
• 43:31
  Fucking changed my fucking life. Like I started a band that
• 43:35
  sounded like a cross between that and Poison or well it
• 43:37
  wasn't very good. It is on Spotify though.
• 43:39
  But like like that fucking changed it for me, especially
• 43:43
  because I was I was a metal kid and I was a hip hop kid and I
• 43:47
  was a punk kid, but never did any of the me other than the odd
• 43:51
  new metal song with like a rapper on it.
• 43:54
  And then like I think Combat Kid was the first hardcore band I
• 43:57
  properly heard and I was like, wait a minute, this is punk, but
• 44:01
  it's also metal. What?
• 44:03
  You're fucking for real. That was the same thing for me.
• 44:05
  It was like I grew up. I mean, in Nashville
• 44:08
  particularly, it was like Christian metal core and Death
• 44:10
  core. And then like I heard Wake the
• 44:13
  Dead and I was like, that was really cool.
• 44:15
  That was like the first record, I think outside of the Linkin
• 44:18
  Park system of down, like new metal stuff that I grew up with.
• 44:21
  That was the first record where I was like, this is a heavy band
• 44:23
  without like breakdown breakdown.
• 44:26
  And I was like, oh, I like this. Yeah.
• 44:28
  So Wake the Dead's got to. Be one of the best choruses of
• 44:32
  all time. It's an It's an anthem.
• 44:34
  I don't, I don't know what, what other songs in hardcore does
• 44:38
  everybody know? Yeah, like Cursed by Ceremony.
• 44:41
  Yeah, but like. Even then, not not crossing over
• 44:46
  into like you could probably play it at like a rock night and
• 44:50
  people are going to fight. They play it at hockey.
• 44:52
  Games. Really.
• 44:54
  Yeah, I heard it. I actually texted Lauren and
• 44:57
  Chase are in one of my fantasy hockey leagues and I was
• 45:00
  watching some, I think it was the National Predators are
• 45:02
  playing the LA Kings and I just hear in the background like,
• 45:05
  what is that? What is that?
• 45:06
  Like what the fuck? That's so sick.
• 45:08
  Yeah, they sometimes play fortune teller MSG.
• 45:12
  That's dope. Yeah, like, and every time it's
• 45:15
  on TV someone sends me video and I'm like, I like hockey, but I
• 45:18
  don't like, know enough about it.
• 45:19
  It's probably my favorite out of the US sport.
• 45:22
  I'd say hockey and basketball probably.
• 45:23
  Don't really care about baseball and football, but like, that's
• 45:27
  pretty fucking cool for sure. Big fan.
• 45:30
  Are you a Preds guy then? Oh yeah, big time Preds.
• 45:32
  Actually, when I went preg with my team that I picked when I
• 45:36
  came to the states for the first time in 2016, I was like, guys,
• 45:39
  I've got to pick all my sports teams.
• 45:40
  And I was doing it based off I didn't want to know anything.
• 45:43
  And I was just like, I'm going to see what comes to me.
• 45:46
  And the Predators came to me because at the time I thought
• 45:51
  their logo was like the White Chapel logo.
• 45:54
  But it's just the Tennessee thing.
• 45:56
  Yeah, it's just. It's the Tristar.
• 45:58
  Yeah, the Tristar. And I thought it was a White
• 46:00
  Chapel thing, so I was just like, oh, fuck yeah, White
• 46:02
  Chapel one. Yeah, that's my team.
• 46:04
  That's hilarious. And then I picked the Cleveland
• 46:05
  Browns. Madison will be stoked.
• 46:07
  Cleveland native because everyone said I was like what's
• 46:10
  the I don't care about football, what's the worst team?
• 46:12
  And anyone said Browns, I was like OK, that's my team.
• 46:14
  Yep. And then even.
• 46:15
  Do you know why they're called the?
• 46:16
  Browns Why? Do you know why they're called
• 46:18
  the Browns? The first coach of the team was
• 46:20
  something Brown, and it was his it.
• 46:23
  Is named after the. Coach, that's like a.
• 46:25
  Salt of the Earth story. That's actually cool.
• 46:28
  Yeah, but they still suck. Does anyone know?
• 46:30
  I think they they make. The playoffs occasionally.
• 46:33
  Well, yeah. The last couple.
• 46:34
  Of years, maybe. Let's go Browns.
• 46:37
  Let's see if I can. O Odell Beckham Junior.
• 46:41
  Is that a Browns player? I think it is.
• 46:43
  Or it was soccer. No, that's David Beckham.
• 46:46
  That's the only reason I remember this guy's name.
• 46:48
  Which then brings me to my baseball team, the Rockies.
• 46:52
  And that was purely because it's right next to the venue.
• 46:55
  And then I went, I went. No, there is like I went and
• 46:58
  then there was a guy on the team at the surname Reynolds.
• 47:02
  And then the hat was CR, which is Craig Reynolds.
• 47:07
  And I said, OK, that's that's my team.
• 47:08
  The only one I haven't actually got.
• 47:10
  And I is my basketball team. It's because I don't have a
• 47:13
  funny reason to support one. I just have like Chicago Bulls
• 47:17
  96 was so big. Oh yeah, that that actually came
• 47:21
  to the UK. So it's like, I actually just am
• 47:23
  a Bulls guy. But that's that's it.
• 47:25
  You got other teams you like other sports.
• 47:27
  You're a sports guy, ish? Yeah, I mean, I enjoy sports.
• 47:31
  I grew up playing it like I'm one of those weird Tennessee
• 47:34
  people where like I love the Heat because I grew up on a
• 47:37
  baseball field like six days a week basically.
• 47:40
  In terms of sports that I follow, hockey's probably the
• 47:43
  only one. I follow it pretty closely, but
• 47:45
  if anything's on, I'll watch it. For the most part, Hockey I.
• 47:48
  Think I like hockey and basketball.
• 47:49
  I do actually want to talk about your singles.
• 47:53
  But hockey and basketball, I think I get on with them the
• 47:55
  most because even though the equipment's totally different,
• 47:59
  the scoring is much more similar to football in to my football.
• 48:05
  Soccer, it's a fluid game. Yeah, it's not.
• 48:08
  And that's one thing once I start watching hockey, a they
• 48:10
  hit so much harder than they do in the NFL.
• 48:13
  Yeah, people, if you don't go to a hockey game, you don't
• 48:15
  understand the speed because of the camera relativity.
• 48:17
  Yeah. But you go there and you watch
• 48:19
  them go by and you're like, well, that's crazy.
• 48:20
  And then you also see how big these dudes are and you see them
• 48:23
  smashing. Smash each other and then they
• 48:25
  land. On it's it's insane.
• 48:27
  Also, they're fighting. Cool as fuck.
• 48:29
  It's dope, right? So sick they get in.
• 48:30
  Trouble. For that, they get a penalty.
• 48:33
  What's the penalty? Just like 5 minutes in.
• 48:34
  The box they didn't get like. Like kicked out.
• 48:37
  No, not in the NK in the UK. There's been like in soccer,
• 48:40
  there's been like maybe like 10 pivotal moments where like a
• 48:44
  player's like punched another player or head.
• 48:45
  But I was going to say the. FIFA like 2011 the World Cup
• 48:50
  when the the old dude on whatever team was in the finals
• 48:54
  head butt of the other guy and that was like his last game I'm
• 48:57
  pretty sure. It was Zinedine Zidane for
• 48:59
  France. It was yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 49:00
  That was the sickest shit ever. But like, he would have got
• 49:03
  fined like insane amount of money, public apology, all this
• 49:06
  fucking shit. No, literally.
• 49:08
  Hockey fights, they fight and then there's videos you can find
• 49:12
  without even really trying to find it where like they'll have
• 49:14
  the fight. There's actually, if you're
• 49:16
  interested in hockey fighting, there's an there's a really good
• 49:18
  documentary called The Last Gladiators and it goes into the
• 49:24
  mentality. So the league has like tried to
• 49:27
  make it to where fighting is not as prevalent as it used to be.
• 49:30
  But it was like you had players that should have like could
• 49:33
  hardly hold a stick that their entire role, they were called
• 49:36
  enforcers was to go out. I've seen the movie.
• 49:39
  With Sean William Scott, where he's an enforcer.
• 49:42
  Goon, goon. Yeah, sorry.
• 49:43
  Carry on it. It's.
• 49:45
  Essentially, that was a huge thing in the NHL.
• 49:48
  Whereas like, these players just could fight.
• 49:51
  And there's a really crazy documentary that goes in and
• 49:53
  follows these different fighters and talks to them now about how
• 49:58
  insane it was to like, be in your hotel room trying to nap
• 50:01
  before the game and be like, I'm I have to fight tonight and
• 50:04
  like, the. It's insane.
• 50:06
  That's cool as fuck. Yeah.
• 50:08
  In that, like, there's so many videos of people being like,
• 50:10
  hey, you guys are whooping our ass and you want to give me one?
• 50:13
  They're like, yeah, it's like just a part of the game.
• 50:15
  And there's even videos where people are.
• 50:17
  What do you mean by give me? One like they'll they'll walk.
• 50:19
  Up like, hey, we're we're getting our ass, kid, give me
• 50:22
  one. Like, let me try to fight you to
• 50:23
  swing the momentum. And it's like a sportsman thing.
• 50:27
  It's it's not. It's not even always a fuck you
• 50:30
  for doing that. Yeah.
• 50:31
  And there's so many times where they'll get in the box and they
• 50:34
  can talk to each other from the opposite boxes.
• 50:36
  There's like a video of a guy who used to play on the Preds
• 50:40
  Austin Watson kind of fight with some dude and they're sitting
• 50:42
  there talking and they said something, but like, Oh yeah,
• 50:44
  he's like, Oh my God, my cardio's done and whatever.
• 50:47
  And they just bullshitting back and forth and the gates about to
• 50:49
  open up, like, yeah, man, have a good rest of the season and they
• 50:52
  just drop back on the ice. It's it's so wild.
• 50:54
  It's such a crazy concept to just because they're not pulling
• 50:58
  any punches. They're beating the dog shit out
• 51:00
  of here. It's a real.
• 51:01
  Real thing you play hockey as well.
• 51:03
  I think my. Fascination with hockey is
• 51:05
  because I played so many sports growing up and I straight up
• 51:08
  can't even skate. Yeah.
• 51:11
  I think it's just so. Many things that I understand
• 51:14
  what it takes and I do not have any of it and so.
• 51:18
  What have you like fully tried? Because there's like a everyone
• 51:21
  I know in heavy music that lives here pretty much is in a hockey
• 51:24
  team. I don't know if they're in the
• 51:25
  same hockey team, but like Jay Weinberg, Tom from Stray, like
• 51:29
  they all play. I have.
• 51:30
  Not I've skateboarded my entire life, like since I was four
• 51:34
  years old. So my centre of gravity going
• 51:36
  this way. Impeccable the moment I start
• 51:39
  doing this on my ass. Bilateral.
• 51:42
  As well instead of and. So like I'm sure that I could do
• 51:46
  it, but it's like, I mean like we mentioned, I'm 32 years old.
• 51:49
  I don't have a lot of time to start a brand new, physically
• 51:55
  demanding, an injury prone hobby.
• 51:58
  That's also that's me crazy. Expensive.
• 52:00
  Yeah, that's me. With everything now where it's
• 52:03
  like I I would like to get into this and it's like, well, I
• 52:05
  can't really afford because I got play the fucking drums and
• 52:08
  like even soccer, like football. God, what's happening now?
• 52:12
  You're here now, baby. Yeah, I know.
• 52:14
  Right. I just have to do that.
• 52:15
  I have to say yoga. I say yoga, bro.
• 52:18
  But like, Matt Nichols from Bring Me Horizon has broken his
• 52:22
  hand twice during a tour because they'll go and play football
• 52:26
  somewhere and it's like, I don't want to be the guy that has to
• 52:29
  phone someone else to get in. Yeah, you mentioned
• 52:32
  skateboarding. I was thinking about
• 52:33
  skateboarding today and I was specifically thinking about how
• 52:37
  crazy it is that it's so big in the States when you don't have
• 52:41
  healthcare because the amount of injuries in skateboarding is
• 52:45
  like crazy. I was actually thinking about.
• 52:47
  I've never thought about. That correlation, it's wild.
• 52:49
  It's it like takes? Guts to take it up because it's
• 52:52
  like you failed a trick and it's like well that cost me fucking
• 52:54
  20 grand yeah truly I. Actually don't even know.
• 52:58
  Like for the bigger skaters, I imagine if you sign on with the
• 53:00
  team, there's probably some sort of benefit to it.
• 53:03
  But that insurance? Premium must be crazy.
• 53:05
  Like, what do you do? Oh, I do vert ramps.
• 53:07
  Oh, OK. Oh, got you.
• 53:08
  You fly. In the air, 15 feet after a 15
• 53:11
  foot ramp. Got it.
• 53:11
  That's going to be. Fucking 9000 yeah you ever you
• 53:15
  ever bailed and like really fucked yourself up Oh yeah yeah
• 53:17
  I. Mean I've been skateboarding a
• 53:19
  long time. There became a point where I
• 53:22
  realized that I was not going to be.
• 53:25
  I will never be the best skater in the park unless I'm there
• 53:27
  with two other fucking dads at 8:00 AM.
• 53:29
  It's just not going to happen. And I just gave up on the
• 53:32
  competitive side of it and was just like, this has been
• 53:34
  something I've been doing since I was four years old in my
• 53:36
  grandmother's driveway. So I just started figuring out
• 53:39
  what tricks do I just enjoy doing and what things are just
• 53:45
  scary enough that I could get hurt.
• 53:47
  But I know how to fall on it. And that's kind of where my
• 53:50
  sweet spot has been is it's more just like a cathartic thing that
• 53:53
  I do every couple of months now more than it is trying to build
• 53:57
  my skill. And so I haven't gotten really
• 54:00
  hurt in a long time. But I mean, there's like parts
• 54:03
  of my body that pop weird because like my wrist will just
• 54:07
  like, Oh my. God.
• 54:08
  Sir, that's skateboarding Madison's face.
• 54:10
  Care. Care to do a neck crack for the
• 54:12
  guys? This one's crazy.
• 54:14
  And then we'll see what I can do.
• 54:15
  You can do your neck pretty good.
• 54:16
  And you got a mic. You got it miced up there was it
• 54:20
  was in there, but there was so much like just debris around
• 54:24
  your neck that it didn't work. But thank you.
• 54:26
  I can do. I can do an ankle, OK.
• 54:32
  Yes. Oh, and that's from.
• 54:36
  Drums. Where was I going with
• 54:38
  skateboarding? I had a really fucking.
• 54:39
  I was going to bring it back round shit.
• 54:41
  Oh yeah. Do you do you take a board on
• 54:44
  tour? Used to do.
• 54:45
  You call it a board. It's a skateboard.
• 54:47
  A board, whatever, it's all the same shit you used to, but you
• 54:50
  know. Anymore anymore I.
• 54:52
  Now my with I work during the day when we're on tour as well.
• 54:55
  And also is it? Is it?
• 54:58
  Booking agents, that's your side gig?
• 55:01
  Real, real gig. It's yeah, they pay my.
• 55:03
  Bills so gig so I I work a lot during the day, but also the
• 55:07
  older I get I'm not like a big like in the gym fit guy.
• 55:10
  I'm not out of shape but like I don't ever want to perform and
• 55:15
  not be fucked at the end of it. So for me to do that every night
• 55:20
  I can't risk what could happen just from bending my knee the
• 55:23
  wrong way doing a plain trick. Like the worst injury I ever had
• 55:27
  skateboarding was on the simplest fucking trick ever.
• 55:30
  I fell. Probably half your audience will
• 55:33
  know what I'm talking about but I went up and did a fakey just a
• 55:35
  tail saw drop back in on the ramp and just foot was in the
• 55:39
  wrong place. Lost my balance, fell and tried
• 55:42
  to like run the fall out, you know?
• 55:44
  Have you been falling forward so you try to keep up?
• 55:46
  As I'm running. There's a box, a box literally
• 55:49
  is just like a, a, a literal box that you can Ollie onto.
• 55:53
  And it's to the side of this ramp.
• 55:55
  It's flat edged. It's not sharp.
• 55:58
  But I'm kind of like in this moment have like a decision of
• 56:00
  like, I'm either going to take this into the shoulder in the
• 56:02
  front, or I can maybe try to dive and get on top of the box.
• 56:06
  And I think I just waited 1/10 of a second too long and I dove
• 56:09
  straight into my hip and I had what I think is called a vagal
• 56:14
  effect. Something like.
• 56:16
  That essentially where one nerve is so overstimulated that all of
• 56:20
  your other nerves malfunction all the the the.
• 56:22
  Vagus nerve is the one that goes down the whole body.
• 56:25
  So basically. That happened and I couldn't
• 56:27
  see, hear or speak for how could I or not speak or smell and how
• 56:33
  long? Like until my dad came and
• 56:35
  picked me up from the skate park.
• 56:36
  I think I was 18 and I was graduating high school like the
• 56:40
  next day and I just called him from inside my shitty old Jeep
• 56:45
  and was sitting there with the chair leaning back and I was
• 56:47
  like, I think I need to go to the hospital.
• 56:49
  He's like, what, Where are you? I was like, I'm at the skate
• 56:51
  park and he pulled up. I've never had, I've never
• 56:53
  fought passing out so hard in my life.
• 56:56
  It wasn't even, I say it wasn't that much pain.
• 56:58
  It fucking hurt. But it was the craziest thing
• 57:02
  because it like split the skin, but there's no blood.
• 57:04
  It was just like bright white. It was so weird, so weird.
• 57:10
  And that's like it. Didn't fat?
• 57:12
  Maybe. I don't know.
• 57:13
  Probably. But.
• 57:14
  It it was putting you fat. But like why is my when I say it
• 57:17
  didn't? It didn't split the skin in
• 57:19
  terms of like a cut, but like it was not, it was such a high
• 57:22
  impact on that area that like it was not what it's supposed to be
• 57:25
  when we pushed all the. Fat up, maybe the.
• 57:27
  Skin or something? That's crazy and.
• 57:29
  You know, we go to the Vanderbilt emergency room and
• 57:32
  sat there for so long that I would adventure was able to just
• 57:34
  walk to the room and they said the Vegas or vagal effect,
• 57:39
  whatever it is, and I had a bone contusion and that was it.
• 57:44
  Nothing broke but like. Simplest shit.
• 57:48
  You don't want that happening. Exactly that was.
• 57:50
  I don't want, I don't want the simplest thing.
• 57:52
  I don't want to hit a rock and hit my head.
• 57:54
  I don't want to do something that's going to as much as I
• 57:58
  enjoy being able to do the recreational things when you're
• 57:59
  on the road. Like there are skate parks in
• 58:01
  different cities that I love. But it is job.
• 58:04
  It's the things. We do to like make sure we can
• 58:07
  keep doing it even to the like my visa.
• 58:10
  If I get in a fight, I'm fucked. I'm going home.
• 58:13
  Yeah. So like I have to be just call
• 58:16
  me an Austin. Such a fucking pussy.
• 58:19
  Not that I ever am outside the fucking outside the arena the
• 58:23
  other day. But in my head I have to be
• 58:26
  like, if someone does something fucking gnarly, I have to be
• 58:29
  like, right, I they need to swing first or like I'm going
• 58:34
  home. Sure.
• 58:35
  So it's like the things you stop skateboarding for the rocking.
• 58:39
  I stopped fighting people for the rocking.
• 58:41
  It's fucking really annoying shit.
• 58:43
  I I never skateboarded. I like tell a lie.
• 58:46
  I did skateboard for a small amount of time and then I got
• 58:50
  way more into BMX in when I was like a.
• 58:52
  Kid that's scary. I didn't find.
• 58:54
  It scary because I, I cycled with my dad loads when I was
• 58:58
  growing up. And then it just like when all
• 59:00
  my mates were getting into skateboarding, I was like, well,
• 59:03
  I can already like ride a bike pretty well.
• 59:05
  Like I did mountain biking with my dad and I said, well, I'll
• 59:08
  just go to, you know, it's still cool.
• 59:09
  I'll go to BMX in and I did it for quite a while and it was 2
• 59:14
  moments when there's one moment where I should have quit.
• 59:18
  And in the second moment I was like, no, I'm quitting.
• 59:20
  And it was like around the same time I'm getting into drumming
• 59:22
  or whatever one I came off, came off a ramp and I came off my
• 59:28
  bike. And my left eye, I think it is
• 59:31
  whichever one of my eyes has a scar like here.
• 59:34
  Is it my left eye, Madison, You know, you see me up close.
• 59:37
  One of them has a scar like here, which actually gets worse
• 59:40
  sometimes depending on how dehydrated I am, and I hit my
• 59:44
  eye into somebody else's stump eggs on their bike and it like
• 59:49
  it blew up like this and it was like that could have taken my
• 59:52
  fucking face out. It's probably responsible for
• 59:55
  why I'm so fucking depressed. Like doing that when you're a
• 59:58
  kid. That's just those stories that
• 59:59
  makes. Like they made my ass like,
• 1:00:01
  yeah, like bend a penny tight. Yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:00:03
  That's like fucking. Kubla Khan support and snitch
• 1:00:06
  your guns, asshole. Fucking tight.
• 1:00:08
  And then the other one, the one that actually made me just go
• 1:00:11
  nap. Never again.
• 1:00:13
  Again coming off a ramp landed the trick.
• 1:00:18
  Can't remember what trick it was.
• 1:00:19
  Landed but span the wrong way on my handlebars and I was like in
• 1:00:28
  my head I was going to spin it to the right.
• 1:00:29
  I spin it to and you were shifting your.
• 1:00:31
  Body the other way and I shift my body the other.
• 1:00:32
  Way and my nuts went straight into it and they were they're me
• 1:00:36
  terrier, big black balls like like it was fucking insane.
• 1:00:42
  It was like fluid in there, like they were black.
• 1:00:45
  My Dick was black. It was fucking crazy.
• 1:00:48
  I can't wait to see the Twitter. Where it's just the video of
• 1:00:50
  you. Oh, I'm big black.
• 1:00:51
  I'm going to do. That that as a cut, please.
• 1:00:54
  I had such a huge black Dick. It was fucking, it was fuck.
• 1:00:58
  I had a fucking BBC, I say. It was fucking insane.
• 1:01:02
  I've always wanted one. I know, right?
• 1:01:04
  I and then I was like, Nah, that's it.
• 1:01:07
  You can take my eyes. You are not taking my manhood.
• 1:01:10
  And I gave up and I never did it again and I can't.
• 1:01:12
  I always missed it, but then now I'm like old enough to realize
• 1:01:17
  like you're saying, like I can't get injured.
• 1:01:20
  Yeah, I don't want to be injured and I can't get injured.
• 1:01:23
  We need to talk about your fucking single.
• 1:01:24
  Jesus Christ. I actually we were on it, right?
• 1:01:27
  And we were on such a good trajectory and then we talked
• 1:01:30
  about come back and then we. Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  OK, so first single was searching for a pulse, which was
• 1:01:33
  what I was going to say. There we go.
• 1:01:35
  Is that the one that was about a recurring dream?
• 1:01:38
  Yes, would. You like to?
• 1:01:39
  Explain the recurring dream please, at the time of.
• 1:01:42
  Us writing the record I was living with my girlfriend at the
• 1:01:45
  time and we we I just it was this dream that I would have
• 1:01:48
  where we would be somewhere on the other side of the country
• 1:01:53
  and I would be told that the house was on fire and then the
• 1:01:58
  very whatever various obstacles they all change from dream to
• 1:02:01
  dream time to time but I would get home just in time to see
• 1:02:04
  that the the the house was on like its last ember and girl and
• 1:02:10
  two dogs are dead and that was the dream like every tour that
• 1:02:13
  happened at some point girl being your.
• 1:02:15
  Girlfriend at the time. So the dream was you were away
• 1:02:19
  from home, I was on tour. She was at.
• 1:02:21
  Home girl and dogs are dead. Yep.
• 1:02:23
  Yeah, that's a nasty dream. Yeah, big stress dream I.
• 1:02:27
  Mean it just ultimately comes from like people don't realize
• 1:02:29
  how stressful it is to have people you care about back home
• 1:02:33
  because whatever happens, you can lend as much support as you
• 1:02:36
  want, but you are powerless to what is happening in your home.
• 1:02:39
  And that's that was like, I think I'm I've always been like
• 1:02:44
  the protector type. And so that was like the biggest
• 1:02:48
  thing for me was like, if some shit happens, like I'm no, I am
• 1:02:52
  to be found, but it's nowhere here.
• 1:02:54
  And I was even like you talk about the Tornadoes, like there
• 1:02:57
  was multiple times when we'd be on the road and I would know
• 1:03:00
  that a storm is hitting Nashville and I would just stay
• 1:03:02
  up and keep an eye on the storms and like keep talking with
• 1:03:06
  whomever until I knew it was gone.
• 1:03:10
  It's just like that weird stress of like this is you love what's
• 1:03:14
  here so much that your body is like, but what if you can't do
• 1:03:18
  something about it? Yeah.
• 1:03:19
  I mean I. Have literally the reason I
• 1:03:22
  brought this up was because I have literally the same
• 1:03:24
  recurring dream pretty much but it's not like a fire but it's
• 1:03:28
  always either zombie apocalypse or some kind I think there's
• 1:03:34
  been a tornado 1 zombie apocalypse end of the world like
• 1:03:37
  nuclear shit and it's always exactly the same.
• 1:03:39
  I'm away from home, my girlfriends at home and I can't
• 1:03:45
  get there or the whole thing is trying to get there or there's
• 1:03:48
  texting that's not happening or any of that shit and like that
• 1:03:51
  shit. Happens too.
• 1:03:52
  Not zombie yet, but I'm stoked for that.
• 1:03:56
  I'm well up for tornado warnings.
• 1:03:58
  In Zombie Apocalypse, zombie warnings.
• 1:04:00
  Imagine colour. Zombie tornado.
• 1:04:01
  So that's. It's got to be a movie got from
• 1:04:04
  the people that made Shark Sharknado and then eventually
• 1:04:07
  they. Versus each other like Freddie
• 1:04:08
  and Jason? Yeah, see.
• 1:04:09
  It's a zombie shark. Tornado.
• 1:04:11
  That's a marvel. Universe right there.
• 1:04:13
  Honestly, it feels. The same I have those.
• 1:04:15
  Same recolouring stress dreams as well as the normal ones I
• 1:04:19
  got. My teeth fall out all the time,
• 1:04:21
  I sleep very very badly and it's just filled with nightmares.
• 1:04:26
  Sucks constantly. My buddy Dan.
• 1:04:27
  Columbo and also Austin put me onto magnesium pills.
• 1:04:31
  You got them? Yes, Sir.
• 1:04:32
  Oh, you got them right there. No, I'm.
• 1:04:34
  Oh. That's my egg.
• 1:04:35
  I lost my egg. Not only do I take them, but I
• 1:04:38
  make them. That's stage flight, which is
• 1:04:41
  that's an empty one unfortunately, but magnesium
• 1:04:46
  glycinate, great for sleep. Here's the issue.
• 1:04:49
  This week I've been having nightmares because even though I
• 1:04:52
  own this company I can't get it shipped to my house in time
• 1:04:57
  before I go on tour on Thursday. So I have one bottle and I'm
• 1:05:00
  saving it for tour. So this week I've been sleeping
• 1:05:03
  like dog shit because I can't fucking take it.
• 1:05:05
  Just go put. Go get some regular magnesium
• 1:05:07
  from the fucking store and put in that bottle.
• 1:05:09
  It's too late for me. I'm going in two days.
• 1:05:11
  That's OK. Do you do you have any other
• 1:05:14
  recurring dreams or was that just a moment in time?
• 1:05:17
  The teeth. One I think happened, the teeth
• 1:05:19
  one I'm pretty sure is. You're going through immense
• 1:05:23
  change like that or like seasons of heavy change, which you and
• 1:05:27
  you're a dream. Believer, then, as in like.
• 1:05:29
  You believe? In the meanings behind them, I
• 1:05:31
  mean I. I do think it's.
• 1:05:34
  Crazy how interconnected they can all be in terms of like I
• 1:05:39
  dream, it's like something you know, we are in the same dream.
• 1:05:42
  It's like I. Could like chocolate and you
• 1:05:43
  don't, you know, so it's like taste buds aren't the same, but
• 1:05:46
  like somehow we can have the same dream and it mean the same
• 1:05:49
  thing. And I think that that kind of
• 1:05:51
  goes to like we are all people, whatever.
• 1:05:54
  I think that some of it is a little far fetched.
• 1:05:55
  However, the like, I think the thing that people don't realize
• 1:05:59
  so much is like one of the biggest insecurities that I
• 1:06:02
  think most people have is their teeth.
• 1:06:04
  And so like it makes sense that like you're going through high
• 1:06:07
  stress, high change that like you're and I'm British get that.
• 1:06:11
  Teeth dream you're going to naturally.
• 1:06:13
  Like dream that like something's happening with not only like
• 1:06:16
  something that you're insecure about if you don't like what
• 1:06:17
  your teeth look like, but like this is how you eat the other.
• 1:06:20
  One I get sorry, just you're my dream doctor now.
• 1:06:23
  I was hoping that you'd have more, but so I'm just going to
• 1:06:26
  have to fill the air with the one I get the most is that all
• 1:06:30
  my skin is burning off on my face.
• 1:06:33
  Look at you're nodding because I wake up and tell her every time
• 1:06:36
  and it's even nuclear fallout, some kind of the extreme.
• 1:06:39
  I think I had one where I was locked in a in a sunbed and it
• 1:06:44
  just melted me. And the problem is that when I
• 1:06:46
  was growing up and still now I watch like my I'm about to ask
• 1:06:49
  if you watch. Final destination?
• 1:06:51
  No, but even. Even worse than that, my like go
• 1:06:53
  to movies are like extreme Japanese gore.
• 1:06:56
  So my imagination is like, I don't even need my imagination.
• 1:07:00
  Like I saw that in a movie at some point.
• 1:07:02
  So then my dream is just like, let's just fucking pull from
• 1:07:05
  this, pull from that. That one I think I attribute to
• 1:07:10
  I had a friend that died of skin cancer really young and I'm
• 1:07:12
  terrified of the sun and I have these dreams where like my skin
• 1:07:16
  is melting and always I think in the dream there's like a doctor
• 1:07:20
  going like, Yep, you're fucked pretty much.
• 1:07:23
  Anyway, sorry, it's got dark. It's got dark real quick.
• 1:07:25
  The one annoying thing the with the press stuff, like I love
• 1:07:30
  getting records early, right. I need to put in a little
• 1:07:33
  disclaimer here and maybe you can help me fucking do this, OK?
• 1:07:37
  Send me the fucking lyrics. They never, ever send the
• 1:07:40
  lyrics. I get the blurb and then I get
• 1:07:42
  the thing and I'm like, I can't even fucking understand what
• 1:07:45
  sure they're saying on the best of the days, like just talking
• 1:07:48
  in a shop. Let alone on your fucking
• 1:07:50
  screen. Exactly.
• 1:07:51
  Yogurt. Let alone you scream yogurt at
• 1:07:53
  me. It doesn't.
• 1:07:54
  I don't know what you're saying. You'd scream yogurt.
• 1:07:58
  So I can't really. I can't even ask you correct
• 1:08:02
  question on how do the lyrics relate to the dream is but is
• 1:08:06
  there a thematic? Is there a story in the dream or
• 1:08:09
  is it more of like a that one? Actually has a little bit of
• 1:08:15
  storytelling. I mean, it is again written a
• 1:08:17
  lot in metaphor, but like, how does that one even start?
• 1:08:20
  You don't got. To do all.
• 1:08:22
  That I'm just going through it in my head.
• 1:08:24
  I'm trying to think of where I mean like the ending of it says
• 1:08:27
  already gone, fully engulfed it. Here I am begging them searching
• 1:08:30
  for a pulse or to keep searching for a pulse.
• 1:08:32
  So it is. Literally the whole telling of
• 1:08:34
  the dream, it's a lot of like. What the dream makes me feel,
• 1:08:38
  but there are elements that are from the actual dream is that
• 1:08:44
  are from the dream itself. Do you still have?
• 1:08:46
  The dream. You said girlfriend at the time,
• 1:08:48
  so that's correct. She's not dead or.
• 1:08:50
  Anything I don't have to say No, no, no, sorry.
• 1:08:53
  We just. Part of ways it's fine.
• 1:08:54
  You don't have to go into. It I just need to need to know
• 1:08:57
  my levels of joking but it's fine.
• 1:08:59
  Do you still have the dreams? I have only.
• 1:09:01
  Been on tour one time since and in that I don't remember if I
• 1:09:09
  had it or not. Good for you.
• 1:09:11
  Yeah, maybe I didn't. That'd be that'd be nice if that
• 1:09:13
  one stopped because that was a scary one.
• 1:09:14
  But at the same time, the moment that something of new
• 1:09:19
  significant importance arrives, like it doesn't mean that I'm
• 1:09:22
  not that I'm any less power or any less powerless to like what
• 1:09:26
  is happening here when you're not, you know, so it could come
• 1:09:29
  back in any sort of form. But hopefully it won't be that
• 1:09:33
  one That was really bad. I still have.
• 1:09:36
  Dreams of a dog that I had. Seven years ago.
• 1:09:40
  That's the only one I ever like and they used to suck so much.
• 1:09:43
  And it would just be like, I'd be hanging out.
• 1:09:45
  Not even with any of the people involved.
• 1:09:47
  I'd be hanging out and that dog would be there.
• 1:09:49
  And at first it sucked. And then now when I get one,
• 1:09:50
  I'll probably get one like once a year.
• 1:09:52
  And now when I get one, I wake up and I'm like, oh, that was
• 1:09:56
  nice. Yeah, I felt like I saw the dog.
• 1:09:57
  So I'm not going to do fucking hour on fucking dreams, guys,
• 1:10:01
  don't worry. We're going to mix it up.
• 1:10:03
  Are you a movie guy? Oh, yeah.
• 1:10:05
  Top five. Top five.
• 1:10:07
  I mean at top five, Shawshank Redemption is probably my
• 1:10:09
  favorite movie. I would say used to be top.
• 1:10:12
  Of the IMDb for so long, so long.
• 1:10:14
  And then everyone found out about IMDb and they ruined it.
• 1:10:17
  They ruined my scale. Yeah, fucking great movie.
• 1:10:19
  Have you ever been to the No? That's Green Mile ones here,
• 1:10:21
  isn't it? Ohio Green Mile is here, but I
• 1:10:24
  have been to the Mansfield Penitentiary, which is where
• 1:10:27
  where it is, and dude, it was unbelievable.
• 1:10:30
  Yeah. Is it?
• 1:10:30
  Is it? Is it haunted?
• 1:10:33
  I'd be. Surprised if it isn't.
• 1:10:35
  Yeah, that's also Have you played incarceration?
• 1:10:38
  No. But we're going and that that's
• 1:10:40
  the. Same.
• 1:10:40
  Yeah, That's the same. That's where it is.
• 1:10:42
  That's that prison. Yeah.
• 1:10:43
  And what's crazy is there is still an active prison in the
• 1:10:46
  back of it. No way.
• 1:10:47
  So you have like the whole. Like old prison in the front
• 1:10:51
  where Shawshank was shot, but there's like a you can see out
• 1:10:54
  the back. They're like, you can't go out
• 1:10:55
  that door because there's inmates back there and it's just
• 1:10:58
  a normal prison behind it. That's fucking sick.
• 1:11:00
  Are you playing it this year? No, we are not.
• 1:11:03
  You said that like. Yeah, gutted.
• 1:11:05
  I mean, I would love to play. That's the one.
• 1:11:08
  Like, obviously I, I want to play in front of as many people
• 1:11:10
  as possible, but like, this is a Shawshank Redemption tattoo.
• 1:11:12
  So to play, yeah. At Shawshank.
• 1:11:15
  You could get another. Shawshank tattoo there, Sure,
• 1:11:18
  maybe. Because it's a fucking.
• 1:11:19
  Ink Fest. I only realized that the other
• 1:11:21
  day. I was like, yeah, we'll go see
• 1:11:22
  some of the boys. And then someone was like, Oh
• 1:11:24
  yeah, I'm going. I'm like, oh, cool, you know,
• 1:11:25
  yeah, I'll be working most of them.
• 1:11:27
  I was like, wait a minute, wait, what's crazy?
• 1:11:29
  Didn't know that. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:11:31
  I know that. Did you?
• 1:11:33
  Yeah. You knew?
• 1:11:33
  Yeah. Incarceration.
• 1:11:34
  Incarceration. It's like a whole thing, yeah.
• 1:11:38
  It makes complete sense. Have you got any?
• 1:11:42
  Festivals this summer? No, we've.
• 1:11:44
  Just got our headliner. I you feel like me, you know
• 1:11:48
  that you should be on all these festivals.
• 1:11:49
  I agree. And you're not the same thing.
• 1:11:52
  You know there are. Definitely bands that I see on
• 1:11:55
  line UPS like that. I'm like, who the fuck put you
• 1:11:58
  on this lineup? Fucking it's.
• 1:12:00
  It's I'll be a hater publicly. Some bands on these lineups are
• 1:12:03
  fucking bad. A lot of them, but a lot.
• 1:12:05
  Of them are managed by like a friend of someone else that's
• 1:12:08
  headliner like a loads of just don't even understand.
• 1:12:11
  How do managers that have good bands have so many fucking
• 1:12:14
  terrible bands they're addicted to?
• 1:12:15
  Money, but they there's no. Way these bands are making
• 1:12:18
  money, yeah, but. Eventually they do because they
• 1:12:21
  just throw most, some of them because they throw, they just
• 1:12:24
  stick it down your throat. I guess.
• 1:12:25
  Probably talking about all the same bands I was saying.
• 1:12:27
  Hey, you want to? You want.
• 1:12:29
  To have you got any actual actual beef that you would say
• 1:12:32
  like hands down I don't have any beef do.
• 1:12:35
  I have any beef I have so. Much beef I don't there are.
• 1:12:38
  Bands that I think are undeserving, obviously, but
• 1:12:41
  that's my own ego, I think it's. It's warranted though, like a
• 1:12:44
  lot of like festivals in general are.
• 1:12:50
  You've got your headliners and then you've got your bands that
• 1:12:54
  deserve to be there, and then you've got your bands that are
• 1:12:58
  favours of the. Bands who are managed by the
• 1:13:00
  headliners. Yes, you.
• 1:13:01
  Have the bands that are a favour for those bands and then you
• 1:13:07
  have a very small window left of bands that the promoter of the
• 1:13:12
  festival thinks deserves to be at the festival like regardless
• 1:13:15
  of ticket sales. And I feel like those sections
• 1:13:19
  are getting thinner and thinner like especially the like favour
• 1:13:23
  bands. I mean now the.
• 1:13:24
  Like ticket sales for everywhere are fucking terrible right now.
• 1:13:28
  I didn't even. Know festivals included?
• 1:13:31
  Or is it because all the festivals this summer are so
• 1:13:33
  good? Like the line up for
• 1:13:34
  incarceration is fucking insane. I haven't actually heard much.
• 1:13:37
  About like the DWDWP means Daniel represents to, you know,
• 1:13:41
  people, but DWP stuff like I haven't heard any of the results
• 1:13:44
  of for that. But I mean also like, I don't
• 1:13:46
  know, worked or sold out immediately.
• 1:13:47
  So I guess like festival stuff, maybe it's doing better.
• 1:13:49
  I just know that shows are hard sells right now.
• 1:13:53
  Shows everything. T-shirts are fucking down.
• 1:13:55
  Buy a fucking T-shirt. My T-shirts are down.
• 1:13:57
  Everything, Like everything. I think it's because everyone
• 1:13:59
  knows there's like a recession coming.
• 1:14:00
  It's possible they'll be like, should I do that?
• 1:14:02
  Not like that, but like everything.
• 1:14:03
  'S so expensive that I think a lot of people just don't have
• 1:14:06
  the excess. Yeah, I think you know better
• 1:14:10
  spenders than me. I would love to.
• 1:14:11
  Yes, I would love to see the festival like figures because I
• 1:14:16
  think looking at it on the outside I would assume ticket
• 1:14:19
  sales are down because the festivals this summer are so
• 1:14:22
  fucking stacked that people are just like, I'll just wait for
• 1:14:25
  that. Literally you know the band will
• 1:14:27
  clash. We got festivals next week.
• 1:14:28
  You're on the festival tour. Rockham Park Rock in rock in
• 1:14:32
  rock in park, Rockham ring. Always wanted to plan.
• 1:14:36
  Nice. Guess who we clash with?
• 1:14:38
  You could just pick the pick the number one bands right now that
• 1:14:42
  you would not want to clash with overseas.
• 1:14:45
  I would say. Worldwide.
• 1:14:47
  In heavy music, I mean. In heavy in like our world of
• 1:14:52
  heavy, I would say they. Still, they still probably fall
• 1:14:55
  into our world, but not Spirit Box.
• 1:14:59
  No, I think think biggest fucking heavy band in the world
• 1:15:03
  right now, Metallica. No, I'm not, not as that's what
• 1:15:05
  I'm saying. You're going to get it.
• 1:15:06
  You're going to get it, Rammstein.
• 1:15:08
  No, you're. Going to kick yourself.
• 1:15:09
  You're in the right realm with spirit box.
• 1:15:11
  Spirit Box. OK, I mean knocked loose sleep
• 1:15:13
  token. Oh.
• 1:15:15
  Well, I love the fact that it. Didn't even pop in your head.
• 1:15:17
  But yeah, we crashed with Sleep Token on both of those fucking
• 1:15:19
  things. I'm just like, we might as well
• 1:15:21
  fucking go home. Yeah, that's no fucking point.
• 1:15:24
  Sleep Token is one of those bands.
• 1:15:27
  Good name for me, I understand why people are so infatuated by
• 1:15:30
  it. I just I didn't like imagine
• 1:15:32
  jackets the first time so like it wasn't really my thing.
• 1:15:34
  You didn't have beef. But there's the beef.
• 1:15:37
  No? But here's The thing is.
• 1:15:37
  Instrumentally, those motherfuckers are crazy.
• 1:15:40
  I think it's really just. And the singer's not bad.
• 1:15:42
  I just don't like it. Yeah, that's fine.
• 1:15:45
  I, you know, but like they're. I would see it if if I had the
• 1:15:48
  chance to see that band. I'm going to see that band, you
• 1:15:50
  know? Yeah, I think.
• 1:15:51
  I had like a turn around moment. I agree with you.
• 1:15:55
  I don't I don't I'm not putting sleep token on, but at the same
• 1:15:58
  time, I'm really not putting a lot of bands that I'm best
• 1:16:01
  friends with on. Like I listen to weird fucking
• 1:16:04
  sure, like Armenian jazz and like I got a weird a weird taste
• 1:16:10
  bud. But like, they got billboard #1
• 1:16:14
  this week. At anything that's.
• 1:16:18
  It's not my. Thing and it there's so many
• 1:16:20
  bands that even in like my direct sphere of influence,
• 1:16:23
  whatever that I don't care about.
• 1:16:24
  But like I've learned that it doesn't do any good to be upset
• 1:16:28
  when somebody does. Well, yeah, like that is.
• 1:16:30
  So good for all of us because I remember when I was a kid and
• 1:16:34
  you would like there would be gateway bands where you would
• 1:16:37
  be, you know, it was in the band that you're not me in
• 1:16:41
  particular, but I had a lot of friends where their parents
• 1:16:43
  wouldn't let them listen to heavy music because it was just
• 1:16:45
  screaming. And then you'd have the old band
• 1:16:46
  that had a chorus and then mum would let them listen to that
• 1:16:49
  one Sleep token is going to get so many people into music.
• 1:16:54
  And then they might be like, I really love the instruments.
• 1:16:57
  I really love this heavy part. And then someone shows them some
• 1:17:01
  someone shows them Orthodox and they're like, Oh my God, it's
• 1:17:03
  there in in your still developing musical child brain.
• 1:17:09
  They will go, Oh my, if you if they find orthodox on the right
• 1:17:13
  day, they will go, Oh my God, It sounds like the heavy parts of
• 1:17:16
  sleep token. Like we know it doesn't, but to
• 1:17:18
  a brand new person to the genre. And then then Orthodox is their
• 1:17:21
  favorite band for sure. You saying that just made me
• 1:17:24
  think about our second single that came out, Sacred Place.
• 1:17:28
  It's like the alarm clock song. Explain the alarm.
• 1:17:31
  Clock Riff. That yeah, if you hit play on
• 1:17:36
  our Spotify, it plays, but I feel like.
• 1:17:38
  Outside of our genre, no one really knows what alarm clock
• 1:17:41
  Rift is. Sure, sure.
• 1:17:43
  But the amount of people that are like this sounds just like
• 1:17:45
  this fucking wage war song. And I'm like, you clearly were
• 1:17:49
  just doom scrolling and we popped up because you don't know
• 1:17:51
  what you're talking about, which is it sounds like my sugar
• 1:17:54
  motherfucker, but it's destroying is improved.
• 1:17:56
  Yeah, but it it's just funny that they'll like how people
• 1:18:01
  correlate certain sounds to what they already know.
• 1:18:04
  And you just bring it up like, oh, this sounds like this part
• 1:18:06
  of sleep token. And it's like, if that's how you
• 1:18:07
  find it, whatever. Yeah, I'm not that sexy, I'm
• 1:18:10
  sorry, but like in my. Golden years.
• 1:18:14
  I'm going to call myself fucking old.
• 1:18:15
  But like I've come to see all that stuff a little bit more
• 1:18:18
  positively. When someone's like, oh, it
• 1:18:20
  sounds just like this. And then like you're saying,
• 1:18:22
  it's like you probably never heard that song in your life.
• 1:18:24
  It's like, OK, you are just getting into music, do your
• 1:18:28
  thing, get really annoyed on the Internet, do your thing and I'll
• 1:18:31
  see you in like 3 years and I'll tell you what's funny.
• 1:18:33
  Is like with how things go now, is like, I knew we were doing
• 1:18:37
  better because people didn't like it.
• 1:18:40
  Yep. If you're only reaching the
• 1:18:41
  people who like your band, you're not growing anywhere.
• 1:18:43
  But when I started seeing people being like this shit sucks.
• 1:18:46
  That singer sucks. Whatever.
• 1:18:48
  Like the amount of times that I've just responded my bad to
• 1:18:50
  people being like I like everything but the vocals like
• 1:18:53
  you're a clap back. I'm a.
• 1:18:54
  Clap back guy as well. I'm a clap back.
• 1:18:56
  But I don't like to be like mean because then they you're
• 1:19:00
  acknowledging what it is. If you say something like
• 1:19:02
  actually off the wall stuff, I'm like, all right, bro, you, you
• 1:19:05
  need a little bit of help. I it's not like don't even pay
• 1:19:08
  any mind to that. But like, I don't know what's an
• 1:19:11
  example? Some some kid the other day when
• 1:19:14
  we released Keep your blessings was like he said, this is my
• 1:19:18
  least favorite of the singles, which isn't saying much because
• 1:19:20
  it's still rocks. I'm like, you're trying to put,
• 1:19:22
  say a compliment, but you German honesty.
• 1:19:24
  It did you check where they were from?
• 1:19:27
  I don't think they're. I think they're from.
• 1:19:28
  I don't know if the name was, I don't know what the name was,
• 1:19:30
  but but I responded and just said ain't reading that essay
• 1:19:33
  like just stupid shit. I love that one.
• 1:19:35
  That's a good one. Just like dumb.
• 1:19:36
  Shit, it's like I don't like bands that are like I'm going to
• 1:19:39
  go in on you because we're not mean people.
• 1:19:41
  I'm not going to be that on the Internet.
• 1:19:42
  Just I'm not going to like win one over on you to make myself
• 1:19:45
  look better because I don't want to.
• 1:19:47
  If I can get somewhere without stepping on somebody, that's
• 1:19:50
  just the better way to go. But I do think if if you give
• 1:19:55
  something, you have to be willing to receive the same
• 1:19:57
  thing. I think I feel that I've just
• 1:19:58
  realized we. Started talking about Shawshank,
• 1:20:00
  we started to make movies, and then we did Shawshank's number
• 1:20:03
  one. But yeah, let's just get this
• 1:20:04
  out here. Some people say I'm bad at
• 1:20:06
  interviewing. It's like #1 it's not interview,
• 1:20:08
  it's podcast. But that's the problem.
• 1:20:10
  It's not ever going to be like, give me this, Give me this.
• 1:20:13
  Because little do you guys know, you might want to watch an
• 1:20:17
  interview. To be in an interview is one of
• 1:20:21
  my least favorite things on fucking earth.
• 1:20:23
  Like, here is a thing, tell me that thing.
• 1:20:26
  OK, here is another thing, tell me that there's no human
• 1:20:30
  connection there. Sure.
• 1:20:31
  So we need to have a conversation that goes off on
• 1:20:33
  incarceration. I didn't fucking know
• 1:20:34
  incarceration was a thing, blah blah blah.
• 1:20:37
  Even this bit I'm doing now is still deferring from Give me the
• 1:20:41
  rest of your top five movies. He's lying.
• 1:20:43
  That was all. Scripted another one, a little
• 1:20:45
  bit controversial now, but American Beauty.
• 1:20:47
  Fucking unbelievable movie for what you're going to say A
• 1:20:49
  Serbian. Film little bit controversial.
• 1:20:51
  Sure. Yeah, No, it's funny.
• 1:20:53
  As you said earlier, you were talking about like, oh, well, I
• 1:20:56
  grew up, you know, I love Japanese gore.
• 1:20:59
  And in my head you're like, oh, I like really fucked up stuff.
• 1:21:01
  And I almost said what, A Serbian Film, but I just
• 1:21:03
  literally didn't want to put that out there.
• 1:21:06
  It's been on. The podcast multiple times.
• 1:21:08
  OK, I'm a Serbian film apologist.
• 1:21:11
  I think it is a true horror movie.
• 1:21:14
  OK, you want to be horrified, put this on.
• 1:21:17
  You are like they should be called horror movies my ass
• 1:21:20
  right now. And then I know it's rough.
• 1:21:22
  You so you've seen it. I've watched enough.
• 1:21:26
  You've watched the. Scene.
• 1:21:27
  Yeah, yeah, it's there should be two.
• 1:21:31
  There should be scary movies and there should be horror movies.
• 1:21:34
  So how do you how do you? Sorry, go ahead.
• 1:21:36
  I'm just saying like. Oh, you want to jump scare?
• 1:21:38
  You want the nun scary movie? Cool.
• 1:21:40
  You want to be horrified, but within the realms of it not
• 1:21:43
  being a snuff movie horror movie Serbian.
• 1:21:47
  Yeah, it's. Originals.
• 1:21:48
  Oh, Master Snuff, it's not real. Though it's horror.
• 1:21:53
  OK, I like. It's now a bit that I defend it
• 1:21:56
  on here. That's great.
• 1:21:57
  It's like, oh, it's terrible. It's like.
• 1:22:00
  I'm like worried it's going to get flagged because we mentioned
• 1:22:02
  it. No, we didn't.
• 1:22:03
  Mention what happens, Madison, you seen A Serbian Film Nope.
• 1:22:07
  She won't watch gore with me. So it's like she's never going
• 1:22:09
  to watch that It's it's rough. I like.
• 1:22:12
  Slashers and stuff like that. Past that, gore isn't my thing
• 1:22:16
  and that sounds horrific on all ends, so you know.
• 1:22:19
  What it is, I know what happened.
• 1:22:21
  Yeah, I'm not interested. Yeah.
• 1:22:23
  Go watch A Serbian Film. But anyway, American American
• 1:22:28
  Beauty is your controversial pick.
• 1:22:29
  Mine is only because. Fucking Kevin Spacey wanted to
• 1:22:32
  be a a, a pedophile, you know, But it's real.
• 1:22:36
  Life for the movie because it's it's both.
• 1:22:39
  Turns out he was perfect for the role.
• 1:22:41
  Yeah, and he. And he nailed that role, yeah.
• 1:22:45
  You're talking about horror. I don't even know that I'd say
• 1:22:47
  this is like a top five, but I do think this is just worth
• 1:22:50
  mentioning in a movie conversation where we brought
• 1:22:52
  horror up. Hereditary ruined other horror
• 1:22:56
  movies for me for a while. It's the.
• 1:22:58
  Best horror movie in forever I would say.
• 1:23:01
  To the degree that when I talk about that movie and people are
• 1:23:04
  like, oh, I don't like it. I'm like.
• 1:23:06
  I I don't understand how you. Don't like it?
• 1:23:08
  Oh, I understand why you don't like it, but there's it's it's
• 1:23:12
  set up. First off, a 24 is amazing at
• 1:23:14
  being like, oh, it's going to be a jump scare and it's like turns
• 1:23:17
  out it's just fucked. But that movie, I went and saw
• 1:23:22
  it in theaters with like me, a couple people, a bunch of the
• 1:23:25
  dudes from Chamber, and we were all like cutting up, having a
• 1:23:27
  good, like it's just us, like two other people in theatre.
• 1:23:30
  So we're talking a little bit having fun.
• 1:23:33
  And I'm not going to say what happens because go watch
• 1:23:36
  Hereditary, but you know what happens?
• 1:23:39
  You know the turning point, That turning point hits and we are
• 1:23:42
  silent. Nobody says another word until
• 1:23:44
  the the shit's done. And it's one of those movies
• 1:23:47
  that in terms of being horrific, I think what they do, it's not
• 1:23:50
  even there's nothing in it that is scary to look at than smile.
• 1:23:54
  There's nothing in it that's as gruesome as Serbian Film.
• 1:23:58
  It is just shout out. Yeah, that's the title of the
• 1:24:02
  episode. It's it's one of those things
• 1:24:07
  where they create situation. I think one of the one of the
• 1:24:11
  fun things about scary movies is what you're saying is you're
• 1:24:14
  watching this happen and you go, oh, well, this is what I would
• 1:24:16
  do. Yeah.
• 1:24:17
  There is multiple points in Hereditary that aren't even like
• 1:24:23
  slasher, this guy's trying to kill me things right mentally, I
• 1:24:27
  don't know what the fuck I would do.
• 1:24:30
  Yeah, it's. It's I would put it honestly in
• 1:24:34
  if we're subgenering horror into scary and horror, I would put it
• 1:24:38
  in horror. And I think anyone that says
• 1:24:40
  they don't like Hereditary likes like to be jump scare and like
• 1:24:46
  so many people didn't like the ending and OK.
• 1:24:48
  Here's even the thing about the ending that I love is the fact
• 1:24:51
  that one thing that Hereditary does that scary movies don't do
• 1:24:54
  is scary movies. They prey on what you don't see
• 1:24:58
  so that they can throw it at you.
• 1:24:59
  Hereditary is just like, here you go look at this.
• 1:25:02
  You're going to look at this, you're going to watch this now
• 1:25:04
  you're still watching because it sucks.
• 1:25:06
  Like it's, it's so intensely just badgering to your brain
• 1:25:12
  that by the end, the actual most gruesome thing you see in the
• 1:25:15
  entire movie is that ending scene.
• 1:25:18
  But they they use it as this conclusion.
• 1:25:21
  We're clearly at the end of the film, they put this beautiful
• 1:25:23
  song behind it and you're looking at the most fucked up
• 1:25:26
  visual you've seen the whole time, whimsical music.
• 1:25:28
  And you're relieved, You feel relief looking at the craziest
• 1:25:32
  shit that you've seen the entire time.
• 1:25:33
  And you're just like, oh, thank God it's over.
• 1:25:35
  Yeah, I loved it. Loved that.
• 1:25:36
  I loved Midsummer as well. Didn't like Midsummer?
• 1:25:38
  See I I. Loved it but it's an 8 for me.
• 1:25:41
  You're Madison puts it above hereditary, I wouldn't say.
• 1:25:45
  Above it I say they're. They're equal in my head, so I
• 1:25:48
  went to. See Midsummer, not long after
• 1:25:50
  Hereditary hadn't seen much about it and that opening scene
• 1:25:54
  is so fucked up that I was like, oh, it's 824, it's probably
• 1:25:57
  going to be similar. And then it was nothing like it.
• 1:25:59
  It may be one of the most beautiful movies ever made, but
• 1:26:03
  I just maybe, maybe go back and see it when he.
• 1:26:06
  Then he jumped the old people jump off the thing.
• 1:26:08
  Crazy. Yeah, it's.
• 1:26:09
  It's nuts. Smash the fucking.
• 1:26:11
  Head up. It's crazy.
• 1:26:12
  My kind of shit just missing. One thing that A Serbian Film
• 1:26:16
  has, and that's a fucking joke. Every movie is just missing that
• 1:26:22
  one key ingredient. Yeah, I know.
• 1:26:24
  It's just that's it. Disclaimer, I've seen this
• 1:26:27
  earlier in film 1 and I'm just doing a bit that I love it.
• 1:26:31
  However, it horrified me. How big is the poster?
• 1:26:33
  That he has for the movie above your bed.
• 1:26:34
  Like is it? It's like.
• 1:26:36
  It's actually a. Still, it's actually a still
• 1:26:38
  it's a cell from one of the scenes and I've got it blown up
• 1:26:42
  sign. It's actually above the bed.
• 1:26:44
  Yeah, above the bed next to a mirror.
• 1:26:46
  You want to see it when you rock up?
• 1:26:47
  Yeah, it's. Pretty bad.
• 1:26:49
  It's pretty. It's all in the park.
• 1:26:51
  Hereditary in your top five because I'll I'll put it there
• 1:26:53
  just for the sake. Of this conversation because it
• 1:26:55
  is one of those movies that I think when I think of horror
• 1:26:57
  movies, that is the best of that.
• 1:27:00
  Did you see? Bo is afraid.
• 1:27:01
  I did not. I didn't really.
• 1:27:03
  I was a head fog. It's like he was doing Ari Astor
• 1:27:06
  was doing loads of acid. OK, so it's literally like very
• 1:27:08
  accurate acid trip movie but like I am and I hate being that
• 1:27:13
  guy because I fucking hate it when I make music and everyone
• 1:27:15
  loves my first record and you're the fucking third one.
• 1:27:18
  Sure. However, give me another
• 1:27:20
  Hereditary straight up but. Also the pressure, I mean, as
• 1:27:24
  you understand, the pressure to recreate what did so well,
• 1:27:26
  you're like, I can't just go do that again because then who's
• 1:27:28
  going to give a fuck? Difficult third album.
• 1:27:30
  But. Slipknot did it 3.
• 1:27:32
  Times though, yeah, they did in. A fucking row.
• 1:27:35
  Yeah, they did. I'd say Volume 3 might be my
• 1:27:38
  favorite. Yeah.
• 1:27:39
  You know what? I saw that on that album Cycle I
• 1:27:42
  I was lucky enough to see again top five movies.
• 1:27:45
  Slipknot Volume. Subliminal red versus great
• 1:27:48
  record. I saw Slipknot.
• 1:27:50
  In 99, I saw him in 2001 and I saw him in fucking.
• 1:27:54
  So I saw him on all three of those records and Subliminal
• 1:27:59
  Versus came out around the same sort of time that I was getting
• 1:28:02
  into really heavy stuff and it just ticked all the boxes for
• 1:28:06
  like, I think. If I had to pick a favorite,
• 1:28:08
  Iowa is probably actually my favorite, but I think their best
• 1:28:13
  songs are on subliminal verses. I think if you.
• 1:28:16
  Put the and I hate to be that guy as well, but I am that
• 1:28:20
  fucking guy. We're all that going If you put
• 1:28:22
  the mix from Iowa on subliminal verses if you.
• 1:28:26
  Put, if you put Corey's vocal delivery from Iowa, I mean
• 1:28:30
  that's versus. Best of all time.
• 1:28:32
  Shit, dude. That's so like shit.
• 1:28:35
  Is just like crazy. Yeah, I mean that was.
• 1:28:38
  I took vocal lessons before this last record from a guy named
• 1:28:41
  David Benitez and he was like, what do you want to sound like?
• 1:28:44
  I want to sound like self-titled Iowa Corey Taylor.
• 1:28:47
  And then he was like, here's how you do it.
• 1:28:49
  And that was like what I channeled, channeled.
• 1:28:51
  That's what I channeled. This is what I tried to do, you
• 1:28:54
  know because. You can hear it.
• 1:28:56
  You got that thing where you can actually hear, you can hear the
• 1:28:59
  words. Yeah, not just the exactly and
• 1:29:02
  it's. That level of ferocity, the it's
• 1:29:05
  just so hard. Did you sniff a?
• 1:29:07
  Sniff a crow? Do you remember that rumor?
• 1:29:08
  I don't even know if it was a rumor.
• 1:29:10
  Used to sniff a crow before he tracked.
• 1:29:13
  That was a never heard. That was a fucking 90s rumour.
• 1:29:16
  That's crazy. Like classic like issue of
• 1:29:18
  Kerrang in 1999 was like they had a dead crow in a jar.
• 1:29:21
  Do you think the Marilyn? Manson rib thing was also
• 1:29:23
  incorrect. Kerrang, I've talked about this
• 1:29:24
  before. I think it was in a live
• 1:29:26
  podcast. Isn't it crazy that before the
• 1:29:30
  Internet, that was worldwide, that transcended?
• 1:29:33
  Metal, that was, yeah. Everyone knows.
• 1:29:35
  Imagine if you got. Royalties on rumours I want.
• 1:29:38
  That one is like, you'd be a fucking billionaire.
• 1:29:41
  That one's being traded on NASDAQ.
• 1:29:43
  For sure there are. People who now who only know
• 1:29:45
  Marilyn Manson from going to church with Kanye West are like,
• 1:29:47
  didn't he suck his own Dick? Didn't he like Yeah.
• 1:29:49
  It's fucking insane. I can't figure out how someone
• 1:29:52
  must have started it or it's true.
• 1:29:55
  Maybe he started. It maybe he started.
• 1:29:57
  It like and there's like old footage and he's like, you know,
• 1:30:01
  when I I got a RIP removed, Let me go to hell yeah, dude.
• 1:30:07
  That's crazy that. That rumour.
• 1:30:08
  And then there was another rumour, the one of Keenan and
• 1:30:11
  Kel was dead when I started. This is the ones that went
• 1:30:14
  around my school. Marilyn Manson sucked his own
• 1:30:17
  Dick. Got a rib removed almost the
• 1:30:20
  important Part 1 of the. Keenan and Kel was dead, right?
• 1:30:24
  It was just before the Internet, so you couldn't just check.
• 1:30:26
  You can just fucking ask Google. But there was a huge rumour.
• 1:30:29
  Maybe it was specific to my school, but it was like when we
• 1:30:32
  were, you know, we were kids and we were watching Keenan and Kel
• 1:30:35
  and it was like, yeah, a shame woman died.
• 1:30:37
  Yeah, that is sad. Like, it's like fucking
• 1:30:40
  completely made-up. One of the first things I
• 1:30:42
  Googled when I got Google back then, it was like Yahoo.
• 1:30:44
  It was like, is Cal? I think it was Cal is still
• 1:30:48
  working a good care. Cal dead wasn't dead.
• 1:30:51
  What else? They were the two big ones.
• 1:30:53
  Those are those are big ones. I don't, I never heard that one.
• 1:30:55
  That might have been just the overseas, but which is weird.
• 1:30:58
  Because it's not really a big thing in the UK.
• 1:31:02
  Like why would we have the Keenan and Kel rumour?
• 1:31:03
  You'd think you guys would have the Keenan and Kel rumour.
• 1:31:06
  You got the I can't even think Hannah Montana.
• 1:31:09
  I don't always get the. Gaga had a big one.
• 1:31:12
  Gaga. Yeah, her being trans, yeah,
• 1:31:16
  that was fucking was it her being.
• 1:31:17
  I don't. This might be a slur.
• 1:31:18
  Was it her being trans or her being in a hermaphrodite?
• 1:31:21
  Like having both? Is that a slur?
• 1:31:23
  Is that I don't. Think it's a slur but the
• 1:31:25
  correct terms? Intersex.
• 1:31:27
  OK, but you're not going to get in trouble for saying that.
• 1:31:29
  Let me know in the comments. If that's a slurp, that was
• 1:31:36
  fucking that. Really popped me.
• 1:31:37
  That was great. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:31:41
  Maybe it was one of those. No.
• 1:31:43
  Whoa, whoa. I got another one from my
• 1:31:44
  childhood. There was an intersex 1.
• 1:31:48
  Jamie Lee Curtis was then when I was a kid we had when I was a
• 1:31:53
  kid, we had Marilyn Manson had a rib removed to S his own D We
• 1:31:57
  had one of Keenan and Kel TBC is dead and we had Jamie Lee Curtis
• 1:32:03
  had both sets of generals. That was it.
• 1:32:06
  That was the top three. Anyway.
• 1:32:07
  What's your fourth favorite movie?
• 1:32:10
  Oh man. I have a I'm not even going to
• 1:32:13
  pick one. I have a hot take that I think
• 1:32:16
  the Oceans trilogy is one of the best trilogy ever made.
• 1:32:19
  Oceans 1112 and 13, Me and Madison.
• 1:32:21
  Just looked at each other and it's not because we know
• 1:32:24
  anything about these movies at all.
• 1:32:25
  I do, I know. Something about them I.
• 1:32:28
  Haven't seen them. OK, so you can't.
• 1:32:30
  You could try and sell them on me.
• 1:32:32
  Madison's not seen him either. What Madison saw the one.
• 1:32:36
  With the women I saw that 10 Oceans 8.
• 1:32:39
  Oceans 8 Does that fall? Into the trilogy, no that.
• 1:32:42
  Came years and years later, wokefied.
• 1:32:44
  It literally they bloody wokefied it.
• 1:32:47
  Same. Universe, but they don't.
• 1:32:48
  There's 11 characters in there's 11 in the first one, there's 12
• 1:32:52
  in the second one, there's 13 in the third of that trilogy.
• 1:32:55
  That's why they're named that and they couldn't pull a single
• 1:32:58
  cameo in Oceans eight. Wow, that's.
• 1:33:01
  Crazy. Not, not.
• 1:33:02
  One of them, one of the. People in Oceans 8 is supposed
• 1:33:07
  to be related to one of the characters from Yes, Oceans.
• 1:33:11
  Whatever. What's her name she was played
• 1:33:13
  by? Sandra Bullock.
• 1:33:14
  Sandra Bullock. Yeah, OK.
• 1:33:15
  Yeah, so it's supposed to be Danny Ocean is supposed to be
• 1:33:18
  her brother who plays Danny Ocean.
• 1:33:19
  George Clooney. OK, so that's.
• 1:33:21
  Just the fact there, right, that sentence took that long to say,
• 1:33:24
  yeah, that Madison smokes a fuck load of weed, respect and
• 1:33:29
  edibles and whatever. And one that she's dying right
• 1:33:31
  now because one day in bed where it was like an ad for something
• 1:33:34
  and she's talking about oceans, whatever.
• 1:33:37
  And she's trying to explain to me that someone is the sister of
• 1:33:40
  someone. But it was like George Clooney
• 1:33:42
  was in the movie. I think we were watching
• 1:33:43
  Fantastic Mr. Fox or something, and she was trying to explain to
• 1:33:47
  me that his sister is in Oceanside.
• 1:33:50
  And this conversation, George Clooney, yeah, this conversation
• 1:33:54
  went on for like, fuck it, I'm not even kidding.
• 1:33:56
  Like 25 minutes of her trying to explain.
• 1:33:59
  And I was like, Sandra Bullock's not related to George Clooney.
• 1:34:02
  And it was this whole thing. And it ends up she just meant
• 1:34:04
  the characters. But she she'd said that part in
• 1:34:07
  her brain that's hilarious and hadn't said it out loud.
• 1:34:10
  So I'm like, like I'm. I'm fucking gaslighting myself.
• 1:34:13
  Like, am I an idiot? Are they related?
• 1:34:15
  Like, what the fuck is going on? Anyway, glad you like the
• 1:34:18
  trilogy. Yeah, it's great.
• 1:34:19
  No. I would say it is well worth
• 1:34:21
  watching. Do you like heist movies?
• 1:34:22
  I. Do I can't say so hate is that
• 1:34:26
  Oh yeah that's hate that's like the.
• 1:34:28
  Heist movie, Yeah, but what's cool about Ocean's 11/12/13 is
• 1:34:31
  it's all heist movies done with no violence.
• 1:34:36
  So like, it's a lot, I don't want to say wittier than the
• 1:34:38
  other ones, but like, it's a lot more creative in the way that
• 1:34:40
  they, they accomplish things. There's also like this weird
• 1:34:44
  they they give you just enough for you to be like, wait, what
• 1:34:47
  the fuck was that? There's like enough of a contest
• 1:34:49
  clue for you to know what it is supposed to be, but you don't
• 1:34:51
  know exactly what it is. Like talk and shop about like,
• 1:34:54
  oh, we need this role in this role or whatever, but they just
• 1:34:56
  leave so much unanswered because it's not crucial to the plot.
• 1:35:00
  But you're just like, wait, what the fuck is that?
• 1:35:02
  What is that? And you don't know if it was
• 1:35:03
  real or not. And not only that, the cast
• 1:35:06
  itself is fucking unbelievable. The the score, the soundtrack,
• 1:35:10
  whatever you want to call it is fucking unbelievable.
• 1:35:12
  Who is it? Do you know?
• 1:35:13
  That did the score. I don't actually know.
• 1:35:16
  I do know shadow calloused Cowboys literally sampled the
• 1:35:19
  Have you listened to their new stuff at all?
• 1:35:21
  I haven't I. Heard the singles but I the one
• 1:35:23
  that starts. With the Oh yeah, that is from
• 1:35:26
  oceans, are they getting away? With that, it is not.
• 1:35:29
  From oceans, yeah. Fucking hell.
• 1:35:32
  Great band. Yes, I haven't seen any of
• 1:35:36
  those. I do like a heist movie like
• 1:35:38
  Heat, the Town in the town. Great.
• 1:35:40
  Fucking love that movie. Unreal.
• 1:35:42
  What's your #5? We're just fucking waffling.
• 1:35:44
  Yeah. Oh man. #5I like this though, I
• 1:35:47
  like. Movie chat more than music chat.
• 1:35:49
  Sometimes we've all said the same.
• 1:35:51
  Oh, what was your single about? The same sad thing a lot of
• 1:35:54
  other people wrote about. Most of the time we all life
• 1:35:56
  sucks. We're all in it.
• 1:35:57
  So I was like, I hate. Podcasts post COVID because
• 1:36:00
  every conversation was like, how was it?
• 1:36:02
  It sucked. Yeah, OK.
• 1:36:03
  OK, what did you do in lockdown? It's like I what?
• 1:36:10
  I jerked off. What's your #5 #5?
• 1:36:14
  I didn't. Prep you for this, you know.
• 1:36:15
  What we're going to do? Do you have letterboxed?
• 1:36:17
  I do, but I. Always forget we watch a movie
• 1:36:19
  every single day. I just forget to do it.
• 1:36:22
  I'll only put stuff on if it's A5 or A1 I I like.
• 1:36:25
  Letterbox because I think I'm hilarious and I leave fucking
• 1:36:27
  reviews for things. I don't know if anybody else
• 1:36:30
  enjoys it, I actually think. I'm hilarious on there as well.
• 1:36:32
  What's your what's the one where you think it's you're the most
• 1:36:35
  hilarious? And I'll do the one where I
• 1:36:36
  think I'm the most. I can't believe I.
• 1:36:38
  Didn't remember this was off the top my brain.
• 1:36:40
  Silence of the Lambs. Nice.
• 1:36:42
  Yeah. Find literally Hannibal tattoo
• 1:36:44
  like sick. Yeah.
• 1:36:46
  I think that. Is the best one of the best
• 1:36:49
  psych thriller? I love a good like detective
• 1:36:52
  story too. But I love like I love any
• 1:36:55
  movie. It's almost like the Darth Maul
• 1:36:58
  effect. Obviously that came way later,
• 1:37:00
  but like where not even the focus of the movie becomes
• 1:37:04
  everyone's focus. What do you?
• 1:37:06
  Mean like Hannibal Lecter is not.
• 1:37:07
  The main character, the villain. He's not even the.
• 1:37:10
  Villain. He's just a bad guy that they
• 1:37:13
  used to help catch the villain. You right.
• 1:37:16
  But he is, he is a bad guy. He does do some crazy.
• 1:37:18
  Shit, when he escapes and all that stuff, but he's not even
• 1:37:23
  like the antagonist. He's not even like him.
• 1:37:26
  You like him, you end. Up liking him yeah movies where?
• 1:37:28
  You. End up.
• 1:37:31
  Liking is a great example of a movie.
• 1:37:34
  You come. Around you're like, I understand
• 1:37:37
  why this happened. Yeah, I would do.
• 1:37:39
  The same thing. Fuck this.
• 1:37:42
  Keep that one. It's all tongue in cheek.
• 1:37:44
  This is comedy people. Imagine how many people.
• 1:37:46
  Will get insulted if they hear this and they're like well maybe
• 1:37:48
  I need to watch this hey. Do you want to watch the
• 1:37:51
  Serbian? Film tonight he did what?
• 1:37:53
  You get a little TV. Dinner.
• 1:37:54
  Heat it up in the microwave. You watch A Serbian Film
• 1:37:56
  together. It's lovely.
• 1:37:57
  Anyways, a movie that is maybe just as niche not as fucked is a
• 1:38:04
  movie. Our favorite Kevin Spacey is in
• 1:38:07
  it huge United States of Leland. Have you ever heard, heard or
• 1:38:11
  seen that Ryan Gosling super young?
• 1:38:13
  What's that mean film? Young or I gotta stop making
• 1:38:16
  these fucking not just just Kevin.
• 1:38:17
  Spacey young. Oh shit.
• 1:38:20
  Fuck. It's rough.
• 1:38:21
  It's real rough. But he essentially, you can cut
• 1:38:24
  this if you don't want a spoiler alert, whatever.
• 1:38:26
  But essentially he murders, he goes to a like a juvie facility
• 1:38:34
  because he murders a mentally handicapped kid.
• 1:38:37
  And this whole thing is revolving around like, why did
• 1:38:39
  he do it? All this different stuff.
• 1:38:41
  And I won't give away like what happens, but like, by the end,
• 1:38:44
  he explains his reasoning and you're like, oh, that's
• 1:38:46
  beautiful. Sick and it's you're.
• 1:38:50
  Like, is that your top five? Is it that's in your top five
• 1:38:53
  where you're just no? Top five is Shash.
• 1:38:56
  Animal. Animal.
• 1:38:57
  Yeah, Hannibal, we're going to say.
• 1:38:58
  Silence of the Lambs rounds that out.
• 1:39:00
  You're just explaining. This just talking to say, 2
• 1:39:02
  spaces in your top five, that's arguably worse than me talking
• 1:39:05
  about A Serbian Film so much you could make that.
• 1:39:08
  Argument if you wanted to and I got 2 Tom.
• 1:39:10
  Cruises in my top five. Are they both Mission
• 1:39:12
  Impossible? Yes.
• 1:39:13
  Mission. Impossible 2 and Mission
• 1:39:15
  Impossible 2 twice. I actually I need to watch all
• 1:39:19
  of them before this last one comes out because I want to see
• 1:39:21
  it in theaters. I've only.
• 1:39:22
  Seen the first 3 and I love them.
• 1:39:24
  I have a group chat, which is me, George Schmidt used to be in
• 1:39:29
  stick to your guns and Tom Williams from Australia and it's
• 1:39:31
  just called cruise control and we're awesome big, big Tom
• 1:39:35
  Cruise fans and we just post Tom Cruise news in there.
• 1:39:39
  Have you like have you gone to the Church of?
• 1:39:40
  Scientology on 8th Ave. No, we got.
• 1:39:43
  One have we? Yeah. 8th Ave.
• 1:39:44
  Man. Anyway, no mission.
• 1:39:45
  Impossible. I wouldn't.
• 1:39:46
  We have this group chat about Tom Cruise and George always
• 1:39:50
  posts in like these crazy stunts.
• 1:39:51
  He's there. And I'm like, I need to watch
• 1:39:53
  the Mission Impossibles, but there's just so many.
• 1:39:55
  Yeah, but I, I think. It's it's not like a Fast and
• 1:39:58
  Furious thing where they're bad. I would imagine that they're all
• 1:40:00
  pretty good. It's just I don't particularly
• 1:40:04
  love Tom Cruise enough to lock in for what is now 8.
• 1:40:10
  Yeah, that's. The thing?
• 1:40:12
  I do love him. I do love him.
• 1:40:14
  Great. But you talk about Mission
• 1:40:15
  Impossible two. I'm just talking about the theme
• 1:40:17
  song that's about to James Bond. That's what's in my.
• 1:40:21
  Goldeneye, the video game on 64 in my head right now and that's.
• 1:40:25
  Not what it is anyway. Fuck.
• 1:40:35
  OK, we need to talk about some music at the end we're not going
• 1:40:37
  to have. What is the second one?
• 1:40:38
  Top Gun 2 troops and a lie. Top Gun?
• 1:40:40
  No. What did I You want my top
• 1:40:42
  Fives? Well, you said you had.
• 1:40:43
  Two Toms the two, Tom. Cruises in my top five are
• 1:40:46
  probably Eyes Wide Shut and The Last Samurai.
• 1:40:52
  Oh, OK. Have you seen The Last Samurai
• 1:40:54
  I? Have it's been a long?
• 1:40:55
  Time. It's fucking sick.
• 1:40:56
  I think I saw it on VHS. That's a long fuck.
• 1:40:58
  Yeah, I remember that. VH VHS shining away.
• 1:41:01
  We ain't got time for the if you want more longer episodes,
• 1:41:05
  you're going to have to give me some fucking money for the
• 1:41:07
  Patreon because I run out of space and all these fucking
• 1:41:09
  things. That's why every episode is like
• 1:41:11
  2 hours long. What's your top five bands?
• 1:41:13
  We're not going to have time for Two Truths on Our Eyes, so I'm
• 1:41:16
  going to get that top five bands.
• 1:41:17
  I mean System of a Down. Yeah, I have system of a down
• 1:41:20
  tattoos like that's mine. That is my band.
• 1:41:22
  I love that band. What have you got the?
• 1:41:23
  Hand No, I've got. Steel.
• 1:41:26
  Oh, that's cool. This is.
• 1:41:28
  Killer's Never hurt feelings is actually from this cocaine.
• 1:41:31
  Makes me feel like I'm on this song and then recently I got on
• 1:41:34
  my chest. There's no one here but me,
• 1:41:36
  which is from soldier side. You are.
• 1:41:39
  Serious system head my dog's name is.
• 1:41:42
  Serge, Wow. I bumped into it was actually
• 1:41:46
  really nice. Who's the guy with the little
• 1:41:48
  beard shadow? The bassist.
• 1:41:51
  Yeah, yeah. Shadow Armenian, though.
• 1:41:53
  You love Armenian jazz? I love Serbia.
• 1:41:55
  So no, it's the same thing. He Have you seen the Armenian?
• 1:42:00
  Film he came. An Armenian film, it's twice as
• 1:42:05
  bad fucking hell, when you got to get off that bit he no, it's
• 1:42:08
  funny. I love it.
• 1:42:09
  He came up to me at Nam, that same Nam Nam and he was like,
• 1:42:15
  hey man, I love your broadcast. Oh, it's dope and I.
• 1:42:17
  Was like. Shit, you want to come on it?
• 1:42:19
  And he was like, yeah, definitely.
• 1:42:21
  And he was like, but I don't want to talk about sister move
• 1:42:22
  down. I want to talk about my new
• 1:42:23
  band. Yeah yeah. 7 hours after.
• 1:42:25
  Violet and I didn't. I think I got his number.
• 1:42:28
  We didn't follow. I didn't follow up.
• 1:42:29
  Yeah, I met him. Because Taylor, singer for that
• 1:42:32
  band, sings for that band left to suffer.
• 1:42:34
  He's a buddy of mine. He's in that.
• 1:42:36
  Band, he's the singer, he's. I mean, yeah, he's 676#
• 1:42:40
  motherfuckers. Yeah.
• 1:42:41
  Yeah, he. I saw him the other day.
• 1:42:43
  I watched saw them for the first time the other day.
• 1:42:45
  So he. Was in LA we were playing
• 1:42:48
  midnight hour on that six year gun store.
• 1:42:49
  Actually I texted him. I was like, yo, I was like, I
• 1:42:51
  know you're out here working on the stuff whatever.
• 1:42:53
  If you want to come to the show, let me know.
• 1:42:54
  He's like oh dope, I'll I'll let you know.
• 1:42:56
  And then he texts me and he's like you like system of a down
• 1:42:59
  right. My Instagram handles literally
• 1:43:00
  steal this atom like it is a system of a down reference.
• 1:43:03
  He knows very well that I love system of a down.
• 1:43:05
  We talked about it and I literally I just respond like
• 1:43:07
  what is this a fucking bit? And then he Facetimes me.
• 1:43:11
  I'm in the fucking Jersey Mike's behind midnight hour, like about
• 1:43:13
  to pay for my food and I'm like. Hold on a second.
• 1:43:19
  And I answer and it's fucking Taylor.
• 1:43:21
  And he's like, hey, you got to meet somebody.
• 1:43:23
  And I'm just like, dude, he's about to literally introduce me
• 1:43:25
  to remember my favorite band, one of the only bands.
• 1:43:27
  Like I don't get starstruck or whatever.
• 1:43:29
  I don't even really like if I see somebody admire, I don't
• 1:43:31
  want to bother them. I have to fight the urge, like.
• 1:43:35
  And he hands the phone to Chavo's like, oh, what's up,
• 1:43:37
  man, How's it going? I was like, dude, I was like, I
• 1:43:39
  need to punish you right now. But like, I got to show you
• 1:43:41
  this. I showed him the steel.
• 1:43:42
  He goes, oh, that's crazy. That's my handwriting.
• 1:43:44
  I'm like. Sick, so I met.
• 1:43:47
  Chavo in a Jersey Mike's in LA, he was.
• 1:43:50
  He was really, really nice. Yeah, he seems to be.
• 1:43:53
  He was like super down to earth. I was like, and I actually, I
• 1:43:56
  didn't really notice until what he said in the same.
• 1:43:59
  It's like, I don't really want to talk about system.
• 1:44:01
  And I was like, oh, now I understand who this person is
• 1:44:04
  because it was just a random guy that came up to me.
• 1:44:06
  It was sure, I like the broadcast.
• 1:44:08
  It's like, oh, OK. And then he said that and I was
• 1:44:10
  like, Oh my God, Realize who you're talking.
• 1:44:11
  To the guy from system. Yeah, it's like the.
• 1:44:13
  The probably. Top three most.
• 1:44:16
  Successful metal band of all time.
• 1:44:18
  It's crazy, yeah. Especially.
• 1:44:19
  Because they haven't put a. Record out.
• 1:44:20
  Do they have a drama? Yeah, John.
• 1:44:22
  John Dolman, is he still? Right wing as hell.
• 1:44:24
  Well, I know that. That's why I'm saying, yeah,
• 1:44:27
  it's crazy. I mean, good for them if they
• 1:44:28
  can all get on with insanely differing politics.
• 1:44:32
  Yeah, I thought he would. I thought he would have got
• 1:44:34
  booted. I don't know.
• 1:44:35
  For for the beliefs. I imagine how.
• 1:44:37
  Deep that contract runs on like a business.
• 1:44:40
  I'm just saying because I've been.
• 1:44:41
  Fucking scooting now. Just his parts are cool but
• 1:44:45
  it's. Definitely not what makes the
• 1:44:46
  band so system go down yeah, Linkin Park like or like Hybrid
• 1:44:50
  theory meteor meteor was like changed my life level music kind
• 1:44:54
  of thing. You want to bring this all?
• 1:44:55
  Around to Scientology again. Or not.
• 1:44:57
  We move on from there. Wait, I don't.
• 1:44:59
  Oh. Cuz girl, yeah.
• 1:45:01
  Yeah. We're gonna have to.
• 1:45:02
  I don't know. Anything about it, move on.
• 1:45:04
  Yeah, I don't know either, I will say.
• 1:45:06
  Didn't hate the new record, which shocked didn't hate.
• 1:45:08
  It didn't. Hate it and it.
• 1:45:10
  Wasn't something I'm like going to go listen to, but I was like,
• 1:45:11
  oh, you tried to do the Chester thing just enough to pay homage,
• 1:45:16
  but like, the songs are completely their own thing,
• 1:45:18
  which was cool. That's cool.
• 1:45:19
  I've heard it, yeah. But Linkin Park I think also is
• 1:45:24
  like what killed new metal while making it bring it to the
• 1:45:27
  surface at the same time. But what do you mean went?
• 1:45:29
  To I think no. Not even went to Pop.
• 1:45:31
  I think that they did it too perfectly, like nobody else
• 1:45:34
  could touch it. After that, everyone was trying
• 1:45:36
  to do Linkin Park, but like you're not going to be able to
• 1:45:38
  give me by myself directly into in the end on a record, like
• 1:45:42
  it's just not going to, you're not going to be able to do it.
• 1:45:44
  So those two, I feel like I'm just going to end up giving in
• 1:45:47
  to like the inspiration type. I like it though because.
• 1:45:50
  To listen to your band, I wouldn't like necessarily think
• 1:45:55
  of all of these for like 2000s NUMA.
• 1:45:57
  All you have to. Throw a Slipknot in there
• 1:46:01
  because that's like, that's just one of those bands for me.
• 1:46:03
  I'll put one out there that I don't think a lot of people
• 1:46:05
  would know. Trash talk.
• 1:46:07
  Nice fucking in the top five, love.
• 1:46:10
  Trash talk one of the most. Insane live bands, quite
• 1:46:13
  literally. I hadn't seen them until Furnace
• 1:46:15
  Fest like a year or two ago, but I listened to him through.
• 1:46:18
  Like, that was the band that made me want to sing for a band
• 1:46:21
  because Lee sounded so mean. I was like, this is just the
• 1:46:27
  most pissed off thing I've ever heard.
• 1:46:29
  You know what? A fucking.
• 1:46:31
  Cool guy as well. That guy.
• 1:46:33
  Never I've. Never met.
• 1:46:34
  Him, But I mean, like, for I'm a 38 year old man and I'm going to
• 1:46:38
  say from the outside, I don't often say this.
• 1:46:41
  That guy is cool as fuck. Yeah.
• 1:46:43
  Dude, Babylon's dope. It's just.
• 1:46:45
  Like, Oh yeah, we just opened. This like, the most beautiful
• 1:46:47
  story you've ever seen in Tokyo? Yeah, the.
• 1:46:50
  Coolest shit I've ever seen. I'm going to.
• 1:46:52
  Do a Nike promo video front flipping off a stage.
• 1:46:55
  Like what a that's cool shit. That's fucking.
• 1:46:58
  Cool shit, it's. Crazy.
• 1:46:59
  It's a nice top. 5. You want to do a little Segway
• 1:47:02
  from this Sure got any underrated and I'd like to give
• 1:47:05
  you some recommendations if you don't underrated new metal bands
• 1:47:11
  because you said that you think you think Linkin Park killed it.
• 1:47:14
  I feel like maybe you've got an affinity for new metal.
• 1:47:17
  Any that flew under the radar for most people.
• 1:47:19
  OK, third. Strike never heard him.
• 1:47:21
  Dude third. Strike this record right here,
• 1:47:23
  Lost. Hold on Lost Angel.
• 1:47:26
  Look at that new. Metal artwork, shit font, shit
• 1:47:29
  picture. Dude literally looks like a.
• 1:47:31
  Fucking back of a buckle gene. Just fucking terrible.
• 1:47:35
  Did you ever fuck with American? Head charge.
• 1:47:37
  I enjoyed it. It wasn't my favorite.
• 1:47:40
  There's another band. This is another one of those
• 1:47:41
  like Roadrunner 1 and Duns 5.0 I remember. 5.0 record is 5.
• 1:47:47
  Point. It's called Untitled by 5.0.
• 1:47:48
  It is the only record on streaming.
• 1:47:50
  That's another one. That thing went under the radar.
• 1:47:52
  Did you ever hear One minute? Silence No from the UK that was
• 1:47:55
  like the UK's only new metal band that like had export
• 1:48:00
  potential cool on. I'm pretty sure they were on
• 1:48:03
  Road Runner. Maybe, maybe don't hold me to
• 1:48:08
  that, but it was like we had one minute silence, which was
• 1:48:11
  fucking amazing and bangle pitch shifter.
• 1:48:15
  Which was like. New metal meets Prodigy.
• 1:48:19
  But like coming back to that stuff now, I do like the Y2K
• 1:48:25
  stake now more than I did at the time.
• 1:48:28
  At the time I was, I think I was looking at like Metallica and
• 1:48:31
  bands like that and I was like, I want to look at and then now
• 1:48:35
  when I'm looking back and I'm like, I really want a pair of
• 1:48:39
  Air Max 95 neons. You know, that's crazy.
• 1:48:42
  I fucking want a pair of those and like, I want my artwork to
• 1:48:46
  be shitty and bubble right in and fucking I want everything to
• 1:48:51
  look like basically right now, my aesthetic that I don't even
• 1:48:55
  do in myself or my brand or anything, but like, I just like
• 1:48:57
  to look at is the 1998 issue of PlayStation Magazine.
• 1:49:03
  Yeah, no, everything like that, that whole vibe, I can't bring
• 1:49:07
  it into anything I do. Yeah, now I'm with you.
• 1:49:09
  But I like to look at. It yeah, it's great.
• 1:49:11
  I've got two others in my brain that are not old, but if they
• 1:49:14
  came out earlier or yeah, came out earlier, probably would have
• 1:49:18
  blown up. But there's the band My Ticket
• 1:49:20
  Home. I got a record called Strangers
• 1:49:22
  Only talked with them. On that record, yeah, loved it
• 1:49:26
  was about expire. Yes, I I was.
• 1:49:28
  It was a wait. Have we met?
• 1:49:30
  No, but funny thing happened at the end that we can talk about
• 1:49:35
  after we can't. Talk on this.
• 1:49:39
  Don't want to imply anybody but but just a little violent
• 1:49:43
  happening that happened during your set because some dude
• 1:49:46
  wouldn't let go of Drew Oh. So some.
• 1:49:49
  Drunk. It's at the end in Nashville.
• 1:49:51
  Yeah, I remember that some. Dude will not.
• 1:49:52
  Let go of Drew's leg and some dude who looks like he does this
• 1:49:59
  kind of thing walks on the stage, circles around Tom and
• 1:50:04
  Drew, hits this dude one time from the stage, steps off the
• 1:50:08
  stage and walks to the back of the room.
• 1:50:09
  That dude's just laid flat, that was.
• 1:50:11
  Crazy about this. I can't remember it was an off
• 1:50:14
  date show. I remember that that was.
• 1:50:16
  A a really good show, but yeah, strangers only from my ticket
• 1:50:20
  home. Awesome.
• 1:50:21
  There was a band that broke up right before I think they were
• 1:50:24
  about to do something. They were called Dark on the.
• 1:50:27
  Path. Sorry, carry on.
• 1:50:28
  Dark complex. And they have a record called
• 1:50:31
  Point Oblivion. They.
• 1:50:33
  Recorded it with machine. I know the band, the producer,
• 1:50:36
  machine that did Lamb of I. I know who Machine.
• 1:50:39
  Is I don't think. I think Dark Complex recorded
• 1:50:41
  everything themselves is. It dark?
• 1:50:44
  Dark with an E? Yeah, it's machine.
• 1:50:46
  Machine fucking produced it, I guarantee you.
• 1:50:52
  Look him up because I I know I met the singer.
• 1:50:55
  I filled in on drums for the band called Drown back in the
• 1:50:58
  day for a tour and they were based out of Houston and met the
• 1:51:02
  singer and like was in his in his room was me.
• 1:51:07
  Gus, who sings for that band on We're the Fucking Awesome band
• 1:51:11
  was hanging out. He actually filled in on bass
• 1:51:13
  for that tour too. That sounds crazy.
• 1:51:14
  On Muerta, yeah. So.
• 1:51:16
  Weird. Yeah, I'm listening to you, but
• 1:51:17
  I'm Googling that you're good. But I'm I remember don't.
• 1:51:25
  Remember what? His his stage name was Vincent
• 1:51:28
  Boyd was what he wanted to go by because he did a guest spot on
• 1:51:30
  the 1st Orthodox LP The Singer. Or the singer of the.
• 1:51:33
  Guy. Singer.
• 1:51:35
  Because there was another. Guy that did like a rapping bit,
• 1:51:38
  Yes, yes. But the singer was, I'm fairly
• 1:51:43
  certain, produced that record. Really.
• 1:51:44
  Yeah. Oh, maybe.
• 1:51:46
  Maybe he did a different record. I'm sure Machine did something.
• 1:51:52
  Maybe he did. I think it's called crows.
• 1:51:55
  Also I met Machine recently and he's fucking awesome.
• 1:51:58
  Such a nice fucking. Yeah.
• 1:51:59
  Anyway, that's fucking, I don't know.
• 1:52:02
  I heard a record that Machine did with that band.
• 1:52:05
  Yeah, or a song. Sure.
• 1:52:06
  And it had a guy the the rapping guy had a really new metal vibe
• 1:52:13
  and the ICP. Yeah, he played.
• 1:52:15
  It was like he had a really cool tone to it and he had this weird
• 1:52:18
  little snarl at the camera and I was like, oh, that's cool.
• 1:52:20
  That's pretty 90s. I think they were.
• 1:52:23
  I think you might have just said this, but like before that time
• 1:52:25
  like they were if. They were after their time,
• 1:52:28
  literally. For their times comeback, they
• 1:52:30
  were the first. Band I ever saw do like an
• 1:52:32
  Instagram live. They had their branding down.
• 1:52:35
  They had like the singer had a mask it sounded like if Hybrid
• 1:52:41
  theory came out post TikTok literally and they.
• 1:52:44
  Were too late for or they. Were.
• 1:52:47
  Too early for this revival. Maybe they'll come back.
• 1:52:49
  Maybe they'll come back after this.
• 1:52:50
  Maybe. We did an extensive section on
• 1:52:52
  the Isaac episode talking about a French grind core band, so
• 1:52:56
  maybe we'll come back Playmo. Great new metal band Playmo.
• 1:53:00
  Yeah, I. Remember that fucking like?
• 1:53:04
  Where are they from? France.
• 1:53:06
  They're like the French limp biscuit.
• 1:53:07
  The French limp biscuit. French limp.
• 1:53:09
  Biscuit meets Chimera, we've just turned.
• 1:53:11
  It all around. We've gone all the way back to
• 1:53:14
  France to old new metal grind core back to France.
• 1:53:20
  Every episode is going to end on France right now.
• 1:53:22
  We got to get it to. Serbia, though, that's where we
• 1:53:23
  got to get. We got to get that.
• 1:53:25
  There needs to be more Serbian new metal bands, but most of
• 1:53:28
  them are just off doing naughty been.
• 1:53:31
  That's a shame. That is a shame.
• 1:53:33
  Let's just end on a nice note. Serbian Film, It is a shame that
• 1:53:38
  a lot of people, that's all they know Serbia for.
• 1:53:39
  Serbia is not like that. I know the director.
• 1:53:42
  The director just wanted to make a movie that was really, really
• 1:53:46
  bleak and he was like, there's no movies really made in Serbia.
• 1:53:49
  I'll just call it A Serbian Film.
• 1:53:51
  And it's a horrible film. You shouldn't watch it.
• 1:53:52
  By this point, you'd probably turn this off to go and watch it
• 1:53:54
  and it's your fault. And all the jokes I made about
• 1:53:56
  Serbian Film are just jokes, you know, coincidentally, as well as
• 1:54:01
  being jokes. It's a good horror movie.
• 1:54:04
  It's in your top five. It's.
• 1:54:06
  In my top five one and Duns, yeah, I'll put it up now, really
• 1:54:12
  and then fuck me this, I think it's going to.
• 1:54:14
  Be in the bio I put it up there with. 2 girls, 1 cup, one man, 1
• 1:54:18
  ice pick Mind the gap. Anyone remember that one?
• 1:54:23
  Mind the gap As a guy he got his head caught at a train station
• 1:54:27
  and it smushes the the bridge. The The thing is like that and
• 1:54:31
  it slid all the way along. That was mind the gap.
• 1:54:35
  These ones are all real. There's a real horror.
• 1:54:39
  What else was up there? Probably just put one on the
• 1:54:43
  it's one of the classic beheadings in one of those
• 1:54:45
  classic ones. I never got that deep into it.
• 1:54:47
  I. Warm my fucking brain.
• 1:54:49
  It's horrible, horrible shit. Anyway, thanks for coming here,
• 1:54:53
  but. Anytime.
• 1:54:57
  What you got coming up? Plug it, plug it.
• 1:55:01
  All we did was talk about serving film, but after the
• 1:55:04
  summer. We have another tour not
• 1:55:05
  announced yet. Not announced yet.
• 1:55:06
  I know what it is. I was talking about it today.
• 1:55:08
  I bet you weren't. A great tour it's.
• 1:55:09
  Gonna be fun. It's.
• 1:55:10
  Gonna be really good. I don't know who the opener is
• 1:55:12
  but I'm who cares bro. Do I have to follow?
• 1:55:16
  Get that fucking. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:55:18
  Awesome. I'm not a good opener to a tour
• 1:55:22
  changes the entire it changes the whole night.
• 1:55:25
  A good puckera. Yeah, good off Puckera, but we
• 1:55:27
  got. That we're playing Furnace Fest
• 1:55:30
  catch me in the Tony Danza tag dance extravaganza pit hurting
• 1:55:33
  myself I think I might be a. Furnace as well.
• 1:55:36
  I think I might be doing some furnace, some of these,
• 1:55:38
  hopefully. Awesome.
• 1:55:39
  See you there. We can follow up on Serbian
• 1:55:41
  Film, Yeah, maybe do a watch along maybe.
• 1:55:43
  Maybe we make a. Sequel.
• 1:55:44
  We could do anything. We can make a sequel.
• 1:55:47
  Do I know anyone with? I'm not gonna fucking go there.
• 1:55:53
  Let's fucking call it before the cameras end.
• 1:55:55
  Thank you for coming on. Check out the new Orthodox
• 1:55:58
  album. It's honestly, as you could
• 1:56:00
  probably tell from this conversation, it's fucking
• 1:56:02
  unbelievable. So good.
• 1:56:04
  Great for the gym. Great if you're just fucking
• 1:56:07
  angry, great if you're just like, heavy music.
• 1:56:09
  Thanks for coming on, mate. Yeah.
• 1:56:10
  Appreciate you anytime. Welcome to Nashville, join my.
• 1:56:12
  Fucking gym, we can hang out. That's doesn't look like I need
• 1:56:15
  it, and that's A Serbian Film out now.