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WHY MISSING EMMANUEL WILL "NEVER BE FOUND" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: As we go to air, sources are saying why missing
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Speaker 2: baby Emmanuel will never be found? This as the killer
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Speaker 2: dad suspect Jay Harrow, begs for help staging baby Emmanuel's kidnap.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Where is seven month old baby Emmanual questions swirling? Did
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Speaker 2: the baby disappear nine days before the alleged kidnap when
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Speaker 2: mommy was attacked in the parking lot at a sporting
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Speaker 2: goods store? Was the baby really missing nine days before that?
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Speaker 2: Could he be alive? We haven't found a body yet,
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Speaker 2: there is baby Emmanuel? And why are sources stating this
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Speaker 2: seven month old infant child will quote never be found?
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Speaker 1: It all starts here.
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Speaker 3: Just before eight pm Thursday night, Sam Bernardino Sheriffs arrive
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Speaker 3: and begins searching the strip mall and parking lot. Canine
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Speaker 3: units are dispatched to the scene, as well helicopters overhead.
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Speaker 3: Sam Bernardino Sharf's department joined by neighboring Riverside County deputies
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Speaker 3: to aid in a comprehensive search that stretches through the night.
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Speaker 4: This was preventable in numerous ways.
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Speaker 2: Todave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave, thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us. The mom says that she goes to
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Speaker 2: Big five as a sporting good store to get her
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Speaker 2: other son of mouthguard so he can play sports. That
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Speaker 2: she gets out of the vehicle to change baby Emmanuel's dipee.
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Speaker 1: She hears one word from a male or lah, and
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Speaker 1: then she's attacked from behind. Hey, she's attack from behind.
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Speaker 2: Let's see her black eye that she got from that
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Speaker 2: tech from behind.
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Speaker 1: That when she wakes up, the baby is gone. Is
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Speaker 1: that correct? Yes?
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Speaker 3: No, Yes, that is correct.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: So then she goes into the store when she comes
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Speaker 2: to and ask has anybody seeing the baby?
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Speaker 1: Do I have that right?
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Speaker 5: So far?
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Speaker 1: You are correct, okay, Dave Matt.
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Speaker 2: Then the dad shows up on the same Listen, Jake.
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Speaker 3: Harrow shows up and bought a clothing negative at Big
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Speaker 3: Five and talks to assistant manager Liz Masa the morning
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Speaker 3: after his son is kidnapped. She says he was trying
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Speaker 3: to appear upset, trying to cry, rubbing his eyes, breathing
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Speaker 3: heavy but no tears as he asks for help finding
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Speaker 3: his infant son Harow is wearing a hoodie and his
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Speaker 3: ninety degrees and the manager is shocked to see that
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Speaker 3: Haro is just walking around the parking lot, not out
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Speaker 3: searching for his son.
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Speaker 1: Mesa says, it just felt off.
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Speaker 6: He just came in and asked if we had any
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Speaker 6: information or please just set it. No, but there was
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Speaker 6: no tears, exaggerated kind of facial expressions.
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Speaker 2: That's from our friends at us Son. Okay, I want
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Speaker 2: to analyze what we've just heard. Dave mack Now, this
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Speaker 2: is a woman that works at the clothing store next
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Speaker 2: to Big five. Let's see Big five Sporting Goods again.
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Speaker 2: It's a little strip mall. And according to this witness,
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Speaker 2: Liz Mezza, the assistant manager, Harrow comes in asking for help.
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Speaker 2: Tell me exactly what we learned from her, Dave mac Well.
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Speaker 3: She says that when he came by that he was
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Speaker 3: trying to look upset, He was trying to breathe heavy,
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Speaker 3: he was rubbing his eyes, he was trying to act
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Speaker 3: like he was very concerned, and she could tell it
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Speaker 3: was an act because it just wasn't real. There were
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Speaker 3: no tears, first of all, but second of all, he
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Speaker 3: wasn't dressed appropriately for somebody who's going to be out
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Speaker 3: looking for their son on this particular day.
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Speaker 1: He's wearing a hoodie.
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Speaker 3: You point that out because you know this is August
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Speaker 3: in California and it's high so he had no business
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Speaker 3: to be out looking for his son. And why is
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Speaker 3: he looking in that parking lot? That was the other
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Speaker 3: question she pointed out. They closed the seven o'clock. Okay,
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Speaker 3: their parking lot is absolutely empty, right next door to
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Speaker 3: the Big k Or it's got a parking lot, and
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Speaker 3: they're open a little later, but there's not a lot
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Speaker 3: of activity, Nancy, And that's what she was trying to
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Speaker 3: point out is that they obviously did not know where
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Speaker 3: they were when they're putting this story out there, because
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Speaker 3: it doesn't match the geography, doesn't match the area they're
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Speaker 3: in at all.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, Dave mac I think you've gone
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Speaker 2: too far out on the limb, claiming that just because
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Speaker 2: the dad was wearing a hoodie that somehow he's quote
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Speaker 2: you sound like Prince Andrew who said I couldn't have
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Speaker 2: molested Virginia Giffrey in the Epstein case because those are
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Speaker 2: my traveling clothes, right, So you're saying this was all
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Speaker 2: wrong because he was.
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Speaker 1: Wearing a hoodie.
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Speaker 2: Okay, if please don't say that any more, don't tell
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Speaker 2: that to anybody else, Okay, because it's raising a lot
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Speaker 2: of questions about your reporting. But that said, the other
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Speaker 2: part I found really interesting.
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Speaker 1: He came in asked if we had any info. If so,
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Speaker 1: please let me know.
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Speaker 2: No tears, just exaggerated facial expressions, rubbing his eyes, breathing heavily. Okay,
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Speaker 2: that's interesting because you know what to doctor John Delatori.
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Speaker 2: Delatory is a renowned psychologist, a mediator.
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Speaker 1: His specialties forensic psychology.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Delatory, I know that this woman that works at
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Speaker 2: the Beta clothing store beside Big Five is not a
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Speaker 2: shrink like you. She is not a nonverbal message expert.
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Speaker 2: She's not like a jury consultant that watches all the
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Speaker 2: jurors if they're ticks in their quirks, to see if
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Speaker 2: they would be good or bad on the jury for
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Speaker 2: their client. But she is a regular person like most
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Speaker 2: of us that when you get an odd sense about somebody,
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Speaker 2: you better listen.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: A lot of guys, especially men, say, oh, you know,
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Speaker 2: that's just a woman, a nervous woman, reading too much
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Speaker 2: into it. I think hunches are very valid, and I
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Speaker 2: believe that they are born of thousands of years of evolution.
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Speaker 2: That you pick up things you don't even realize you're
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Speaker 2: seeing or hearing or feeling or smelling.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it could be anything.
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Speaker 2: So the fact that he's wearing a hoodie, I don't care,
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Speaker 2: but her feeling that it quote just felt off.
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Speaker 1: I want to follow up on that deleatory.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 8: I mean, no, she's not a mental health professional, but
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Speaker 8: she is a huge human being, a human being working
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Speaker 8: in the service industry, so she interacts with people all
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Speaker 8: of the time, and all of these people she never
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Speaker 8: knows who's going to be coming in and for what reason,
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Speaker 8: and what their day to day experiences are. She knows
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Speaker 8: about this case and is expecting to experience something coming
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Speaker 8: off of this man, and she doesn't get it. And
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Speaker 8: that's already a red flag, right. Her intenna is already up,
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Speaker 8: So now she's going to be looking at more things.
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Speaker 8: What are the other inconsistencies that are going on? When
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Speaker 8: she tells herself, look, if this was my child, this
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Speaker 8: is how I would be comparing those emotional states to
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Speaker 8: the person that she's seeing right in front of her.
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Speaker 8: Are inconsistent, and that's what makes him just seem more suspect.
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Speaker 1: Okay, brace yourself.
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Speaker 2: Philip Dubay joining US veteran trial lawyer out of the
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Speaker 2: La jurisdiction jump in de Bay.
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Speaker 9: I think it's ridiculous to assume that parents who are
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Speaker 9: in search of a missing child have to follow some
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Speaker 9: type of a blueprint, almanac or connect the dots in
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Speaker 9: some way, shape or form to suggest that they're not
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Speaker 9: behaving the way parents who might be in despair would display.
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Speaker 9: Because if you think about it, this is something that
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Speaker 9: may never happen during the course in the scope of
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Speaker 9: running a business, and certainly during the course in the
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Speaker 9: scope of raising children.
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Speaker 4: So I don't know what anybody's talking about in assuming
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Speaker 4: that there is the right way to.
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Speaker 1: Behave but.
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Speaker 2: On a prior program that you don't have any children.
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Speaker 2: So what do you know about what people are going
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Speaker 2: through raising children? Because I've told you what happened when
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Speaker 2: John David went missing, and it's always r us wait,
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Speaker 2: babies are us. I did not try to make myself cry.
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Speaker 4: It's self. Preservation is preservation of your family.
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Speaker 9: You don't have to be a parent to know that
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Speaker 9: a kid is missing and that you can kind of
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Speaker 9: pitch in and help find the child.
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Speaker 4: That's absurd.
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Speaker 9: And to suggest that either you know how you're dressed,
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Speaker 9: how you behave, whether or not you're crying, should follow
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Speaker 9: that playbook and determining whether or not you're up to
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Speaker 9: no good, I think is an unfair assessment.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I knew you would say that straight out to
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Speaker 2: Allie Neil joining US co founder revd up Kids.
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Speaker 1: She has been fighting.
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Speaker 2: For years to protect children from sex abuse, trafficking, and
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Speaker 2: other forms of abuse. Allie, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Why is debate saying that? Because you have dealt with
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Speaker 2: so many parents that are suffering because they can't find
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Speaker 2: their child. And I know defense attorneys say there is
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Speaker 2: no playbook, but actually there is a play book. I've
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Speaker 2: never seen a parent that did not show some sort
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Speaker 2: of emotion when they're looking for a lost child.
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Speaker 1: Allie, I would agree.
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Speaker 10: With you, Nancy, but I also would agree that everybody
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Speaker 10: has different ways that they show or hide emotion. We
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Speaker 10: can't read his mind. And you know the store clerk, Yes,
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Speaker 10: she was observing what she believed was fake behavior, but no,
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Speaker 10: that's going to hold up in court. His behavior when
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Speaker 10: he walked into that store to ask about Oh.
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Speaker 1: Well, right, right right, I don't know what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: It won't quote hold up in court.
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Speaker 2: I mean the fact that he suggesting if this ever
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Speaker 2: goes to trial, the jury cannot hear evidence of his
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Speaker 2: demeanor at the clothing store because that's just past Awkwards.
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Speaker 2: They will hear that, and they will wonder, like we are,
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Speaker 2: why was he trying to make himself christ.
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Speaker 10: They can hear it, but I think the defense would
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Speaker 10: turn around and say, you weren't in his head. You
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Speaker 10: don't know how he responds to, you know, crisis. Some
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Speaker 10: people just shut down. Some people you know. So it
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Speaker 10: feels like speculations.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Alan, okay, Alie. Steve Fisher, let's respond to that.
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Speaker 2: Steve Fisher joining us Missing Person's private investigator search and
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Speaker 2: rescue specialists. You can find him at Search Investigations dot org. Steve,
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Speaker 2: you have made a living. This is what you do
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Speaker 2: day in day out. You find missing people, especially children.
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Speaker 2: You go through all sorts of searches. You do all
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Speaker 2: terrain searches. You've overseen water searches, you've overseen dump site searches.
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Speaker 1: Name it, you've done it.
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Speaker 2: So Steve ali'neil agrees with Philip Dubay that parents cannot
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Speaker 2: act upset at all when their child is missing. In fact,
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Speaker 2: in this case, the witness says he was trying to
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Speaker 2: make himself cry.
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Speaker 1: Now, I find that very odd behavior.
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Speaker 2: The hoodie doesn't mean anything to me, but the demeanor
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Speaker 2: and what you're about to find out about them just
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Speaker 2: hanging around in the parking lot, not actively looking like,
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Speaker 2: what do they think baby Emanuel is going to walk
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Speaker 2: back into the parking lot.
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Speaker 1: He's seven months old. But making yourself cry or trying
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Speaker 1: to that's just wrong. I don't know why they're saying
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Speaker 1: that that's normal.
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Speaker 7: I've never seen. I always see frantic, you know, people
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Speaker 7: that are just you know, have no control of their
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Speaker 7: emotions actually, and that they both seem to kind of
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Speaker 7: have that same reaction to me, if it's kind of
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Speaker 7: force the stage and it was, you know, look like
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Speaker 7: a more of a press opportunity.
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Speaker 1: You know what.
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Speaker 2: We have barely touched the tip of the iceberg, So
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Speaker 2: I'm going to move us forward.
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Speaker 6: Listen, the baby have been kidnapped, they would have been
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Speaker 6: out looking for them, saying with like my sisters with
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Speaker 6: their kids. You know, it's just not something to just
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Speaker 6: hang around in a parking lot and then.
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Speaker 4: Just be mingling with your family.
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 6: We close at seven, So for them to say after
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Speaker 6: at seven forty seven, the whole parking lots and do
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Speaker 6: basically by that time.
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Speaker 2: Back to Dave Mack, that is exactly what you were saying.
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Speaker 2: If there had been a baby kidnapped, they would have
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Speaker 2: been out looking for them. They were just hanging around
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Speaker 2: the parking lot, like hanging out with a family, like
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Speaker 2: tailgating in the parking lot.
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Speaker 1: She goes on to State and that's for our friends
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Speaker 1: at us Son.
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Speaker 2: We close at seven, so for them to say it
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Speaker 2: happened at seven forty seven, the whole parking lot is empty.
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Speaker 1: Is that what you were saying earlier?
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Speaker 3: Dave mac explain, Okay, not exactly, Nancy. The store next
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Speaker 3: door to the Big Five actually closes at seven, and
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Speaker 3: their parking lot is adjacent to the Big Five. Big
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Speaker 3: Five stays open later than that store next door, But
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Speaker 3: for the most part, the parking lots are fairly empty,
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Speaker 3: certainly empty next to Big Five, and the Big Five
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Speaker 3: is finning out. There's not a lot of activity there
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Speaker 3: after seven o'clock at night. That's what the manager was
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Speaker 3: trying to say.
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Speaker 2: Okay, got it, guys. It goes on from there. In
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Speaker 2: the last hours, a lot happening in the case, a
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Speaker 2: lot happening in the search for baby Emmanuel.
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Speaker 11: Listen appropriate to have a press conference, because it was
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Speaker 11: the defendants in this case that had a press conference first, and.
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Speaker 4: They did so in order to tell the.
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Speaker 11: Public, the media, and ultimately law enforcement that their child
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Speaker 11: had been kidnapped.
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Speaker 8: I was going to get the diaper and somebody said
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Speaker 8: oil and I don't locome right here on the floor,
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Speaker 8: and I didn't see Manuel.
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Speaker 5: It was a healthy baby.
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Speaker 4: He was crawling, he was kicking, and he was he
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Speaker 4: was playing with his toys.
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Speaker 5: Whoever took our sun, please give him back.
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Speaker 1: I'm watching his demeanor as he's speaking.
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Speaker 2: His voice seemingly is cracking, but he's not crying and
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Speaker 2: he doesn't look distressed at all. That's for my friends
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Speaker 2: at KTLA and ABC seven. You were first hearing Mike
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Speaker 2: Hestrin from Riverside County Das office stating they were having
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Speaker 2: a press conference because the mom and dad had already
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Speaker 2: had their own press conference with me. Special guest doctor
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Speaker 2: Eric Esen Board certified forensic pathologist and you can find
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Speaker 2: him on Facebook at Eric august Esen, Doctor Eason.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: How can she explain that she was attacked from behind
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Speaker 2: but yet has a black eye on the front of
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Speaker 2: her face.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it could have fallen forward, hit something. She could
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Speaker 5: have spun around after being an attack from behind and
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Speaker 5: been punched in the face. Those are all possibilities.
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Speaker 2: Day mag I want you to explain to me what
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Speaker 2: Big five employees state about the mom coming in earlier
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Speaker 2: before Baby Emanuel goes missing to state that her car
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Speaker 2: had been vandalized.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened. She went to the store and asked, hey,
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Speaker 3: She actually said, my car has been broken into in
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Speaker 3: your parking lot. I'm just wondering, ga'la, have any surveillance
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Speaker 3: cameras pointed in this direction at all? That might have
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Speaker 3: been able to capture my car in the parking lot
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Speaker 3: and can you show me where it is? And she
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Speaker 3: was able to find out exactly what they had for
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Speaker 3: surveillance in the parking lot, so she already knew ahead
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Speaker 3: of time. And by the way, they don't live in
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Speaker 3: that area. It would have been out of the way
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Speaker 3: for her to be at that store any day other
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Speaker 3: than when she was there.
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Speaker 2: Dave mac When do they say that that happened, that
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Speaker 2: the mom came in stating her car had been vandalized
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Speaker 2: and asking if there were cameras, surveillance cameras on any
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Speaker 2: of the stores.
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Speaker 3: This is one of those stories, Nancy, where we've been
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Speaker 3: told that she came in three days earlier. Since they
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Speaker 3: don't have any cameras, we can't actually find video proof
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Speaker 3: that she did that, Nancy, but that is what has
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Speaker 3: been said by employees of the store.
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Speaker 2: Well, Steve Fisher, wouldn't it be a matter of getting
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Speaker 2: her cell phone and tracking the cell phone to determine
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Speaker 2: if it had been in the parking lot two or
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Speaker 2: three days earlier.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, that's something that's celebrated. Can do a celebrate on
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Speaker 7: her phone. They'll be able to find out that information.
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Speaker 7: And there's also but I don't think she knew, is
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Speaker 7: there's lots of other surveillance cameras that are pointing, that
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Speaker 7: are showing that parking lot from across the street and
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Speaker 7: other ways. You know, I actually spoke, I actually went
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Speaker 7: to the Big Five and spoke to the employees, and
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Speaker 7: that witnessed her come in and they clearly, you know,
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Speaker 7: remember her coming in and it was suspicious to them.
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Speaker 7: And then when she came in with the kidnapp claim,
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Speaker 7: that's immediately what they thought of. They're like, this lady
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Speaker 7: was here, and what they said to me was earlier
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Speaker 7: in the month, although this happened fairly early in the month.
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Speaker 2: So okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Steve Fisher,
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Speaker 2: explain exactly what the employees told you.
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Speaker 7: Sure, I went into the Big Five. I was there
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Speaker 7: the day after the kidnapping claims started that happened, and
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Speaker 7: they told me that she had come in and asked
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Speaker 7: She had said that her car had been broken into
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Speaker 7: and she wanted to know if there was surveillance because
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Speaker 7: she needed it for the insurance claim, and they told
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Speaker 7: her that they did not have exterior cameras on the
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Speaker 7: building and that was it.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 7: Of course at that time, they don't know what's about
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Speaker 7: to happen a few days later, but that's what.
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Speaker 5: They told me.
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Speaker 1: Phillip Debay, what about that? Quite the co inky dink
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Speaker 1: right debate.
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Speaker 2: Don't you just hate it when your clients case the
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Speaker 2: joint days ahead of time to find out at their
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Speaker 2: surveillance video I would be interested to find out if
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Speaker 2: she really filed an insurance claim when her car was
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Speaker 2: quote burglarized?
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Speaker 1: What about it? Dobay?
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Speaker 2: And she goes back to the same place and gets
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Speaker 2: attacked a second time, same parking lot, same car, same everything.
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Speaker 9: If I were defending her, I would put those store
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Speaker 9: employees through the vegimatic. I would just really left, right
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Speaker 9: and center, just cross examine them like they have never
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Speaker 9: been crossed before. And I would want to know just
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Speaker 9: how many employees are saying that about my quote unquote client.
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Speaker 4: So, for example, this was your.
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Speaker 9: Search and rescue debut, wasn't it. I'll bet you you
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Speaker 9: had checked the lighting before you spoke. You shut up
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Speaker 9: all the fluorescence and make sure you had bright light
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Speaker 9: and number two pancakes to rub on your nose in
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Speaker 9: your floor.
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Speaker 2: Even talking about first time, what are you that they're exaggerating?
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Speaker 5: Oh?
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Speaker 1: Okay to Steve Fisher.
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Speaker 2: Does he look like a camera crew to you? It
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Speaker 2: seems like a regular guy to me. He goes in
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Speaker 2: and talks to them about what happened, and they volunteer
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Speaker 2: and not just one of them under You can take
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Speaker 2: Fisher down, okay, putting debate back up debate. To believe
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Speaker 2: your theory, all of the employees that opened up to
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Speaker 2: Steve Fisher would all have to be in on it,
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Speaker 2: that all have to be part of a conspiracy to
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Speaker 2: lie about missus Harrow, that all have to be in
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Speaker 2: on it to miss Harrow that they've never met before this,
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Speaker 2: They don't know her.
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Speaker 1: There's no grudge, there's no extra grind. But yet they're
20:08
Speaker 1: all willing to lie to a guy that just walks
20:12
Speaker 1: through the front door and asks, what happened? Is that
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Speaker 1: your story?
20:15
Speaker 2: They're all getting together to lie on Rebecca Herro Well, Philip.
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Speaker 9: Do they and his personal capacity would absolutely buy it.
20:22
Speaker 4: But if I were defending her, I.
20:24
Speaker 9: Would do whatever I could to make it look like
20:26
Speaker 9: they all put their heads together to take the lady down.
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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, that's your vegematic that you're bragging about.
20:32
Speaker 2: I'm going to put the witnesses to a vegematic.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, number one.
20:38
Speaker 2: Nobody uses a vegematic anymore unless you I shot my hand,
20:43
Speaker 2: of course, but everybody else uses.
20:45
Speaker 1: A what do you say?
20:46
Speaker 2: Queensin r All right, So that said, that's your vegematic.
20:52
Speaker 2: You're going to accuse them of having their star turn
20:57
Speaker 2: with Steve Fisher, who is not a camera person.
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Speaker 9: If I were defending them, absolutely, I would do whatever
21:04
Speaker 9: I could to challenge their perceptions, their recollections, and their
21:08
Speaker 9: incentive to want to take the lady down, and you'd
21:11
Speaker 9: be amazed time debate.
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Speaker 2: You need a search, You need to search one, to
21:17
Speaker 2: search all the employees home and find that pancake makeup
21:20
Speaker 2: you're talking about. This is the vats and vats and
21:23
Speaker 2: pots of pancake makeup and heavy powder that they were
21:27
Speaker 2: going to apply for the moment that Steve Fisher happens
21:30
Speaker 2: to walk through their door.
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Speaker 1: They were ready for that. Okay, what about this debate.
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Speaker 3: In the early stages of the investigation, detectives challenge Rebecca
21:38
Speaker 3: Harrow on inconsistencies in her story and she stops cooperating.
21:42
Speaker 3: Both parents are asked to take a polygraph, but Jake
21:45
Speaker 3: Harrow refuses the polygraph without his lawyer.
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Speaker 1: President.
21:48
Speaker 2: Okay, so I guess you think that's normal behavior too.
21:51
Speaker 2: When your child goes missing and your wife is attacked
21:54
Speaker 2: in a parking lot, you won't take a polly because
21:57
Speaker 2: of what? What are you afraid of?
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Speaker 9: System sees imperfect, unreliable science, and we've seen this before.
22:04
Speaker 9: Remember when the medal in McKay baby was abducted in Portugal.
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Speaker 1: The parents would not make me call Debet. Matt Lan
22:13
Speaker 1: magan got.
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Speaker 9: The name Mattie McCann. Remember that the parents would not
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Speaker 9: submit to the polygraph. Not because it was consciousness of guilt.
22:21
Speaker 9: It was consciousness of scientific imperfection that was the problem.
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Speaker 9: Can you imagine then being detained and held based on
22:29
Speaker 9: imperfect science?
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Speaker 5: No, So what do you do?
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Speaker 9: You clam up, You ask for a lawyer, particularly in
22:35
Speaker 9: a situation when you're being confronted with quote unquote inconsistencies
22:40
Speaker 9: and you have turned a search and rescue into an
22:44
Speaker 9: adversarial proceeding. I would have clammed up as well and
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Speaker 9: asked for counsel or.
22:49
Speaker 4: Just remained silent.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, I Fisher, I believe that
23:04
Speaker 1: you know Mark Class. He's the gold standard.
23:07
Speaker 2: His daughter Polly was kidnapped, sex assaulted, and murdered by
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Speaker 2: Richard Allen. She was having to spend the night party
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Speaker 2: in her mom's home when police came to search Mark
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Speaker 2: Class's place. He opened the door and said, here, take
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Speaker 2: my fingerprints, search my place, search my car, search my office,
23:29
Speaker 2: do whatever you want, then you can move on to
23:32
Speaker 2: find out who took my daughter. Okay, he was willing
23:36
Speaker 2: to take a polygraph. I find it very odd that,
23:39
Speaker 2: faced with your child disappearing and a violent attack on
23:44
Speaker 2: your wife in a parking lot, that you refuse a
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Speaker 2: polygraph and lawyer up, I got a problem with that.
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Speaker 5: I agree.
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Speaker 7: I mean, if a child goes missing, even if the
23:54
Speaker 7: public might be throwing accusations around, I mean, as a parent,
23:58
Speaker 7: if you have no guilt, and I think it's the
24:00
Speaker 7: last thing going through your mind, is you know, the
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Speaker 7: failing a polograph. You think they would be willing to
24:08
Speaker 7: submit to whatever would help investigators. And if the public's
24:13
Speaker 7: making those claims, then you have to tune that out
24:17
Speaker 7: if you truly got nothing to do with it. But
24:19
Speaker 7: in this case, that's not what we saw. They told
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Speaker 7: us they were cooperating. That's what the parents told the news,
24:24
Speaker 7: But it doesn't seem like it because at the time
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Speaker 7: I was there, they were in the house the whole time,
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Speaker 7: they weren't out searching, and it doesn't sound like they
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Speaker 7: were truly cooperating with authorities.
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Speaker 3: In the Southern California News Group, Rebecca Harrow denies or
24:37
Speaker 3: she went to the Big Five and you Kaipa days
24:39
Speaker 3: before she reported the kidnapping and told employees her car
24:43
Speaker 3: had been burgularized in the parking lot and asked if
24:45
Speaker 3: the business had surveillance cameras. The Sheriff's department has yet
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Speaker 3: to address the claims.
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Speaker 1: Little Emmanuel was first reported missing on August fourteenth.
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Speaker 10: They have searched two counties and they have still not
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Speaker 10: found this.
24:58
Speaker 2: Little way baby Emmanuel, just seven months old, reportedly goes
25:04
Speaker 2: missing out of a Big five Sporting Goods parking lot
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Speaker 2: there with his mother.
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Speaker 3: This is a seven month old baby that they are
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Speaker 3: looking in the roughest terrain in the world.
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Speaker 1: Board and then bring out.
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Speaker 3: The baby's father and he doesn't even boy to offer
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Speaker 3: any kind of assistance, any kind of help.
25:23
Speaker 2: Tonight's sources stating they know why baby Emmanuel will never
25:28
Speaker 2: be found. This as witnesses state, the dad, Jake Harrow,
25:35
Speaker 2: asks for help in staging baby Emmanuel's kidnap.
25:40
Speaker 1: But there's another baby taking center stage. Listen.
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Speaker 3: The sister of Emmanuel was so badly injured at just
25:47
Speaker 3: ten weeks she was left unable to see, talk, or walk.
25:52
Speaker 3: The little girl is being raised by her adoptive mother,
25:55
Speaker 3: who renamed the child promised Faith at just ten weeks old.
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Speaker 3: Traumise had an acute fractured rib, healing fractures of six ribs,
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Speaker 3: a skull fracture, a brain hemorrhage, swelling of the neck,
26:08
Speaker 3: a healing fractured leg bone, and nutritional neglect. Carro and
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Speaker 3: his former partner Vanessa Alvina were both charged with child
26:16
Speaker 3: of cruelty in twenty eighteen tow h Horrow, pleading guilty.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Eric Ason, the injuries to maybe Emmanuel's sister are overwhelming,
26:28
Speaker 2: and according to reports, she has cerebral palsy because of
26:34
Speaker 2: repeat abuse.
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Speaker 1: How can that happen? How do you get cerebral palsy
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Speaker 1: from beatings?
26:41
Speaker 5: Well, it's trauma to the brain, and it's a blunt trauma.
26:44
Speaker 5: So a solid object struck the head, or the head
26:46
Speaker 5: struck a solid object, or some combination of the two.
26:48
Speaker 5: And so everything indicates that with the rib fractures and
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Speaker 5: all the other fractures on the body in different stages
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Speaker 5: of healing, that they were inflicted by another individual. And
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Speaker 5: that's how the cerebral pulsey can occur in a child
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Speaker 5: due to in treat of the brain.
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Speaker 1: And what's so disturbing, Dave Mac, is that a.
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Speaker 2: Judge allowed Jake Harrow, the father in this case that
27:14
Speaker 2: reportedly asked for help from store employees to set up
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Speaker 2: his baby's kidnap, he got to walk free.
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Speaker 1: He walked free. Isn't that true?
27:26
Speaker 2: The judge said, Hey, I'm gonna do you a favorite. Judge,
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Speaker 2: Dwight W. Moore suspended Harrow's prison sentence and granted straight probation.
27:39
Speaker 1: What happened, Dave Mac.
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Speaker 3: He spent a couple of weeks taking up trash on
27:43
Speaker 3: the side of the road Nancy in a work release program.
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Speaker 2: Defense attorney Philip Debay, the baby cannot walk talk here.
27:54
Speaker 1: See he got probation. I guess you think his lawyer
27:59
Speaker 1: did a good well.
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Speaker 4: Of course he did.
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Speaker 9: I mean you cannot claim that that attorney was ineffective.
28:05
Speaker 9: I think the real question, though, is why the prosecution
28:08
Speaker 9: wasn't pounding its fists on council table demanding that this
28:13
Speaker 9: judge and post prison, or why they didn't file what
28:16
Speaker 9: we call an affidavit of prejudice against the judge and
28:19
Speaker 9: you get moved to a different court.
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Speaker 4: It's my understanding.
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Speaker 2: So somehow you're gonna not you're somehow trying to blind
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Speaker 2: the prosecutor for this.
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Speaker 1: Well, I've got er Bryan frank Baum for you. Listen.
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Speaker 11: J Carrow pled straight up to the court, which sometimes
28:37
Speaker 11: reporters get this wrong, and you call it a plea bargain.
28:40
Speaker 4: Judges are not allowed to plea bargain. The defendants can plee.
28:43
Speaker 11: Bargain with the prosecutor. But when a defendant pleads up
28:47
Speaker 11: to the court, they plead to everything that they've been
28:49
Speaker 11: charged with, and they're essentially throwing themselves on the mercy.
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Speaker 1: Of the court.
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Speaker 2: It's called a blind plea in most jurisdictions. What that
28:56
Speaker 2: means is the prosecutor would only agree to a plea
29:00
Speaker 2: bargain for serious jail time. The defense wouldn't take it,
29:04
Speaker 2: and so they go to the judge blind so to speak,
29:08
Speaker 2: and throw themselves on the mercy of the judge. The
29:12
Speaker 2: prosecutor disagreed, the prosecutor wanted.
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Speaker 1: Hard jail time. It's the judge, Judge Dwight W.
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Speaker 3: Moore.
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Speaker 1: They went to the prosecutor, Yeah, you know what, screw
29:27
Speaker 1: you and the horse she rode in on.
29:29
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it a straight probation. Even though he blinded.
29:33
Speaker 2: The baby girl. He made her death dumb and mute,
29:38
Speaker 2: and she can't walk and she has cerebral palsy. But hey,
29:43
Speaker 2: he actually said from the bench, I'm gonna give you
29:46
Speaker 2: a break. I'm gonna do you a favor.
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Speaker 1: The prosecutor was doing a back flip. Listen.
29:53
Speaker 11: In this case, a judge here in Riverside County happened
29:57
Speaker 11: to have been a visiting judge from Semberdy Dental County,
30:01
Speaker 11: gave mister Harrow a suspended sentence, which means that instead
30:06
Speaker 11: of sending him to prison, he chose to give him
30:09
Speaker 11: probation and suspend prison time sort of over his head, meaning.
30:14
Speaker 4: That if you violated his probation, he would then go
30:17
Speaker 4: to prison.
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Speaker 11: My prosecutor in the courtroom objected to that and said,
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Speaker 11: on the record, we object. We think it's a prison case.
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Speaker 11: You should send him to prison. And the judge decided
30:29
Speaker 11: that mister Harrow deserved an extra break and gave him
30:35
Speaker 11: probation and basically one hundred and eighty days of work release.
30:38
Speaker 11: That decision was absolutely outrageous. Mister Horror should have been
30:42
Speaker 11: in prison at the time that this crime happened, and
30:49
Speaker 11: if that judge had done his job as he should
30:51
Speaker 11: have done. A manual would be alive today.
30:54
Speaker 2: That is Mike hestrin the Riversai County District Attorney saying,
30:57
Speaker 2: we beg for jail time, we demand jail time, and
31:01
Speaker 2: Judge Dwight W.
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Speaker 1: Moore threw us out of court and gave this guy
31:06
Speaker 1: straight probation. And what did he do. He goes into
31:11
Speaker 1: a store asking them to help him.
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Speaker 2: Give an alibi, help him create a story that his child,
31:21
Speaker 2: his other child, was kidnapped.
31:24
Speaker 1: That is the woman.
31:25
Speaker 2: That is the person, Ali Neil that you said, Hey,
31:29
Speaker 2: there's no playbook for a parent who's lost a child.
31:34
Speaker 2: So maybe he was crying, maybe he was really upset.
31:38
Speaker 1: That's the guy he had already beaten into oblivion.
31:43
Speaker 10: Okay, I want to backtrack, because you were asking specific
31:48
Speaker 10: questions about his demeanor in the store and the clerk's
31:51
Speaker 10: perception of his demeanor in the store.
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Speaker 12: Do I think he did it one hundred percent? Yes,
31:57
Speaker 12: I absolutely think he did it, And I completely agree
31:59
Speaker 12: that he should already be in jail for the other
32:02
Speaker 12: child to beat. So yeah, this whole story just smacks
32:07
Speaker 12: of this wild, made up lie.
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Speaker 1: And I hope the wife is Jennie Neil. I hope
32:15
Speaker 1: she's sitting down.
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Speaker 10: Allie, I'm sitting down.
32:17
Speaker 1: Are you sitting down? Simple? See you just sitting down? Well,
32:21
Speaker 1: you know you might need to lay down for what
32:23
Speaker 1: you're about to hear, Allie Neil.
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Speaker 11: At the end of their sentence, he told Jake, I'm
32:28
Speaker 11: giving you a big break today.
32:29
Speaker 1: Don't mess it up.
32:31
Speaker 4: But I want to point something out to you.
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Speaker 11: I want to read to you the injuries. The child's
32:39
Speaker 11: name is Carolina. She's still alive today, but she is
32:43
Speaker 11: permanently bedridden. She has permanent damage cerebral palsy that is
32:49
Speaker 11: a result of long term child to.
32:51
Speaker 1: Beat crime stores with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: She got out of the vehicle to change Baby Emmanuel's
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Speaker 2: dip and she was attacked from behind.
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Speaker 1: But when she woke up from the attack, the baby
33:13
Speaker 1: is gone.
33:14
Speaker 2: No money is taken. There's no sex attack, no carjack,
33:20
Speaker 2: just the baby. No surveillance, No witnesses saw this. How
33:25
Speaker 2: can you look at the disappearance of baby Emmanuel without
33:31
Speaker 2: factoring in what Jake Harrow did to this baby's sister,
33:38
Speaker 2: who was left forever in basically a vegetative state because
33:44
Speaker 2: of him. He pled guilty it's not a question. Do
33:48
Speaker 2: bab will probably make it sound like, well, maybe it
33:50
Speaker 2: didn't happen. He pled guilty under oath in a court
33:54
Speaker 2: of law. He rolled the dice and he hit the
33:57
Speaker 2: jackpot because the judge gave him straight probation. And what
34:01
Speaker 2: does he do, According to reports, he tries to get
34:05
Speaker 2: store employees to help him stage a kidnap.
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Speaker 1: The kidnap up another baby, baby Emmanual. But before we
34:14
Speaker 1: move on, I want you.
34:16
Speaker 2: To hear the Riverside County District Attorney Mike Hestrin recount
34:21
Speaker 2: what happened to baby Emmanual's sister.
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Speaker 11: I want to read to you the injuries that were
34:27
Speaker 11: presented to in court to this judge at the time of.
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Speaker 4: That previous prosecution.
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Speaker 11: A cute fracture of the posterior left rib, fifth rib,
34:37
Speaker 11: healing fractures, healing fractures of the posterior lateral sixth, seventh
34:41
Speaker 11: and tenth through twelfth ribs, healing fractures of the sixth
34:45
Speaker 11: and ninth through twelfth ribs, partial bone fracture of the skull,
34:52
Speaker 11: brain hemorrhage, significant prevertical soft tissue swelling of the neck,
34:58
Speaker 11: and a healing tibia fract of the right leg.
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Speaker 2: You know, when you hear the district attorney reading off
35:05
Speaker 2: the injuries to the baby girl who was, you know,
35:09
Speaker 2: just weeks.
35:09
Speaker 1: Old, you can numb yourself.
35:14
Speaker 2: But if you think about what he is saying, if
35:18
Speaker 2: you let your mind go to what he is saying,
35:24
Speaker 2: what was done to the baby is brutal, it's hateful,
35:30
Speaker 2: it's downright evil. What was done to this baby girl.
35:36
Speaker 2: And now baby Emmanuel is missing. Now, according to sources,
35:43
Speaker 2: baby Emmanuel will.
35:45
Speaker 1: Never be found.
35:47
Speaker 3: Borrow's next door neighbor is saying the body of Emmanuel
35:49
Speaker 3: Horrow will never be found after hearing police had Horrow
35:53
Speaker 3: out by the sixty freeway. The neighbor says she can
35:56
Speaker 3: hear the coyotes at night like they are in the
35:58
Speaker 3: front yard, and says she doesn't think the remains will
36:01
Speaker 3: be found. Quote one something to be found. I'm pretty
36:03
Speaker 3: sure you could find a way. Sad to hear, but true.
36:07
Speaker 3: If you're a local here, you know that baby's gone.
36:10
Speaker 1: Hey, Mac, explain to me what the neighbors are saying.
36:13
Speaker 3: They're pointing out, Nancy that while it seems the area
36:17
Speaker 3: that you're talking about with Riverside and San Bernardino Counties.
36:20
Speaker 3: There are a lot of areas that are very rural, Okay,
36:25
Speaker 3: a lot of underbrush and coyotes. The coyotes are wild
36:29
Speaker 3: and they can hear them at night, and as the
36:32
Speaker 3: neighbor point, they're so loud, they're so they sound like
36:36
Speaker 3: they're right here in the front yard. And that's what
36:39
Speaker 3: she's pointing out. There are so many areas where if
36:43
Speaker 3: that's what your goal was, to get rid of something
36:45
Speaker 3: that nobody would find, you could do it in this
36:49
Speaker 3: area around the house within two or three miles could
36:53
Speaker 3: be totally lost.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to Steve Fisher, joining us a
36:57
Speaker 2: search and rescue specialist, start to investigations. Steve, if that's
37:03
Speaker 2: true what the neighbor is saying, that a manual's.
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Speaker 1: Body will never be found.
37:12
Speaker 2: If the body had been disposed of out in one
37:14
Speaker 2: of these many, many open and desolate areas, could cadaver
37:21
Speaker 2: dogs find even a trace a part of the baby,
37:25
Speaker 2: assuming coyotes had gotten to them first.
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Speaker 7: Yes, so, and listen, this is a huge, vast open
37:32
Speaker 7: area and I do a lot of searches out in
37:33
Speaker 7: this area.
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Speaker 1: And these are scavenger animals.
37:36
Speaker 7: It's not just coyotes. But there is a lot of
37:38
Speaker 7: mountain lion in that area, and they're opportunistic animals and
37:42
Speaker 7: they will feed upon stuff like this, but they scatter
37:46
Speaker 7: the bones, they'll use them as salt lick sometimes, and
37:49
Speaker 7: I understand such a young child has softer bones than
37:53
Speaker 7: an adult. However they'll it does actually they'll spread those remains.
37:58
Speaker 7: That actually gives a wider area for then humans or
38:02
Speaker 7: canines to come in and search. And there still is
38:05
Speaker 7: going to be you know, a material left where the
38:09
Speaker 7: canines can pull sense, but it's not going to happen
38:13
Speaker 7: if they're not out searching. And that's you know where
38:17
Speaker 7: I have a problem lately, is I don't see these
38:19
Speaker 7: searches happening. But yes, even if these predatory animals, we
38:22
Speaker 7: see it a lot in desert searches, and it does happen,
38:26
Speaker 7: but they do leave, you know, remains behind.
38:31
Speaker 2: There is of course a remote chance baby Harrow is
38:34
Speaker 2: still alive, that Emmanuel is sold or given away. But again,
38:39
Speaker 2: when you don't know a horse, look at his track record,
38:43
Speaker 2: Doctor John Delatory. We know that Jake Harrow has a
38:47
Speaker 2: history of beating infants. So it makes me believe that
38:53
Speaker 2: the neighbor could be right, doctor Delatory.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
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Speaker 8: I mean I just just listening to the list of
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Speaker 8: is that that baby Carolina suffered. I mean I almost
39:04
Speaker 8: want to cry. And you're right, Nancy. You know, the
39:07
Speaker 8: best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, and we
39:11
Speaker 8: see someone who engage in statistic violent behavior against vulnerable children,
39:17
Speaker 8: and so more than likely if something could have happened,
39:20
Speaker 8: and the same thing would have happened to baby Emmanuel.
39:23
Speaker 5: So I I.
39:25
Speaker 8: Are there other things that could have happened, Sure, but
39:28
Speaker 8: the most likely thing, the most probable thing, is that
39:31
Speaker 8: these two parents engaged in some nefarious act and baby
39:35
Speaker 8: Emmanuel is now gone and we're struggling to try to
39:38
Speaker 8: find him.
39:39
Speaker 5: You know that.
39:39
Speaker 1: Let's clarify when you say gone, you mean did I
39:42
Speaker 1: do mean dead?
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Speaker 5: Yes.
39:44
Speaker 2: In the last days, Jake Harrow and why Rebecca Harrow
39:48
Speaker 2: are in court.
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Speaker 3: Jake Harrow has a public defender who entered a not
39:52
Speaker 3: guilty believe for him at a Raymond and Rebecca Harrow's
39:55
Speaker 3: court appointed private counsel, Jeff Moore, inereda.
39:57
Speaker 5: Believe not guilty for her.
39:59
Speaker 3: More from the firm Bloomenthal and Moore previously represented Louise
40:03
Speaker 3: and David Turpin, the parents serving a life sentence now
40:06
Speaker 3: for abusing their thirteen children for years in court. Deegaro's
40:10
Speaker 3: wearing a jail issued read jumpsuit indicating he is not
40:13
Speaker 3: in general population for his own protection, and Rebecca har
40:17
Speaker 3: wearing blue jail uniform for the same reasons.
40:19
Speaker 2: So they're getting protected from the other inmates. I got
40:23
Speaker 2: a question, Tobey, why do you hire a defense attorney
40:29
Speaker 2: that lost the durping case?
40:31
Speaker 9: Great question, and I happen to know who defense counsel is.
40:35
Speaker 9: He is private, but he's court appointed, so he was
40:38
Speaker 9: not privately retained. He was appointed by the court at
40:41
Speaker 9: taxpayer expense. This young couple is impoverished. They don't have
40:45
Speaker 9: a potter or window to send on private counsel.
40:49
Speaker 2: Are you trying to make me feel sorry for them
40:50
Speaker 2: because they can't afford a high price defense attorney like you?
40:53
Speaker 2: They got a high price defense attorney. His name is
40:56
Speaker 2: Jeff Moore and he's with Bloominthal and Moore and a
41:00
Speaker 2: also case Louise and David Turpin.
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Speaker 1: They got life.
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Speaker 9: The firm has a contract with Riverside County to pick
41:05
Speaker 9: up all conflict cases where the public defenders declares a
41:09
Speaker 9: legal conflict of interest. So they are on an annual
41:12
Speaker 9: contract where they're basically paid a lump sum to represent
41:15
Speaker 9: everybody brought in on conflicts during the contractual period.
41:19
Speaker 1: Well, they landed in a pot of honey yet again
41:22
Speaker 1: getting a vetterman trial lawyer.
41:24
Speaker 2: That's not all we hear, Dave Mac, that these two
41:29
Speaker 2: demons from hell that are presumed innocent until proven guilty
41:34
Speaker 2: are wearing special jumpsuits which means they're not in ginpop
41:38
Speaker 2: general population.
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Speaker 3: Why well, it's for their own protection because of the charges, Nancy,
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Speaker 3: at least that's what we're being led to believe, because
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Speaker 3: you know, we all have heard jail house stories of
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Speaker 3: how people who hurt children are treated with the way
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Speaker 3: they should be treated. It's that's for their own protection,
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Speaker 3: Dave Mac.
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Speaker 2: Those two turpins are alive and well, and you and
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Speaker 2: I got to pay for three hots and a cot
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Speaker 2: for those two.
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Speaker 1: Again, demon straight straight from hell. They're from hell.
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Speaker 2: All those children abused, starved, beaten, kept literally in chains
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Speaker 2: in closets. Now the question is are these two cats
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Speaker 2: and a barrel going to turn on each other? And
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Speaker 2: I've got an indicator they will.
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Speaker 3: Jake and Rebecca o'haro were brought in through separate doors
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Speaker 3: at opposite sides of.
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Speaker 1: The court room.
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Speaker 3: They did not appear to look at each other, and
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Speaker 3: Jake Carrow kept his eyes on the judge. Rebecca Harrow
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Speaker 3: was kept out of direct view by her private attorney
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Speaker 3: appointed by the court, Jeff Moore from Bloomin Dalen Moore.
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Speaker 2: Don't you just love it, DBA when your client and
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Speaker 2: the co defendant won't even look at each other in court.
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Speaker 2: I've seen them sitting right beside each other.
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Speaker 1: In court and they look the other way. They won't
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Speaker 1: even look at each other.
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Speaker 2: A state's witness, and I think the state's witness is
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Speaker 2: going to be Rebecca Harrow. I hope she doesn't get
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Speaker 2: a sweetheart deal to testify against her husband.
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Speaker 1: State you don't need her, You don't need her to
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Speaker 1: prove this case. What about it debate.
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Speaker 9: I think you're absolutely correct, and I've said it from
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Speaker 9: day one. I think most Rebecca was an accessory after
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Speaker 9: the fact, meaning she was not complicit in the underlying homicide,
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Speaker 9: but may have had a hand in covering it up
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Speaker 9: so that her husband wasn't arrested. Still a crime. The
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Speaker 9: legal goodness for Rebecca is that that only carries three
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Speaker 9: years at halftime and does not have a lifetop.
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Speaker 4: So if in exchange she testifies against me for three years,
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Speaker 4: I can.
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Speaker 1: Listen curious, are you actually on something? This woman is
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Speaker 1: not getting three years and walking free. That's not happening.
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Speaker 1: The state doesn't even need her. You don't think she
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Speaker 1: was there when Baby Emmanuel was killed. She took court
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Speaker 1: in the whole thing.
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Speaker 9: What proof do you have when she had whatroof is
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Speaker 9: there that she had a hand in the murder if
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Speaker 9: there even was a murder.
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Speaker 4: Seriously, it's my understanding the evidence saying.
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Speaker 2: If there even was a murder, Did you just say that, Yes,
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Speaker 2: you're losing a lot of credibility right now to Bay
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Speaker 2: I could understand as.
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Speaker 9: To him, But what do you have on her other
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Speaker 9: than she's got a black guy in a parking lot
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Speaker 9: saying somebody said, oh lot kidnapped the kidden.
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Speaker 4: Purportedly drove off.
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Speaker 9: Right now, you've got nothing saying that she had a
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Speaker 9: hand in that murder, if there was a murder.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about baby Emmanuel,
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Speaker 2: please dial nine zero nine three eight seven eight three
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Speaker 2: one three repeat nine zero nine three eight seven eight
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Speaker 2: three one three And now we remember an American hero,
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Speaker 2: Officer Mark Reynolds, South Carolina State Police, killed in the
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Speaker 2: line of duty, leaving behind a grieving wife, Brandy, and
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Speaker 2: three daughters. American hero Officer Mark Reynolds Nancy Grace signing
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Speaker 2: off goodbye friend.