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Adversity can Open the Trap Door to Creativity · Authentic Living

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  Welcome to authentic living with Roxanne, a place where we have conscious conversations
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  about things that really matter in our lives.
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  And now here's your host, Roxanne Derhodge.
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  The work work
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  Sarah.
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  Welcome to the show.
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  And, thanks for having me.
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  You're you're welcome.
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  So I so you've done you you've obviously you've been coaching now for quite a while.
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  Right.
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  How long have you been?
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  It's it's been actually to a little bit more than 2 years now that I, yeah, that I've been
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  coaching.
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  So tell, tell the listeners about a bit about your background.
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  And, obviously, you've had a,
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  a path, and I think to have lived, I often say, is to have had pain, but you know, you've
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  you've been through a lot for for, being as young as you are.
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  So tell them a little bit about, your path and what got you to the point where your passion or
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  your calling is to to help, people that have been in pain and to to see the other side of
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  it.
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  Okay.
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  Sure.
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  Well, my background on my story is, might be a little bit different because, I I was born and
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  raised in Iran.
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  In, Tehran, which is the capital.
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  It's a big city, crazy city, very crowded, but I have very good and fun memories from my
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  childhood.
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  Very loving family.
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  We had our ups and downs, but very loving family.
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  And, it's funny because I was really good at gymnastics and, English and literature.
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  But I ended up studying medical laboratory science at university because, I don't know if
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  you know or not.
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  Like education is huge in Iran.
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  So my parents, my other version, parents wanted and expected me to become either a doctor or a
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  lawyer, you know, or an engineer.
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  Right?
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  So, when my, gymnastics course told my mom to send me to the to become the 2nd nadia
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  combination.
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  My mom just freaked out and she stopped taking me to classes.
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  No go and, you know, study medicine or whatever.
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  So, anyways, but I always loved, you know, physical education.
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  I always love English and literature, but you know, I ended up studying, medical laboratory
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  science.
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  I work actually as a as a lab technologies, for a few years in a lab in Iran.
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  And but you know what?
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  It was, like, working with microscopes every day was not my personality.
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  Right?
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  And, I was a people person.
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  I was, I'm much like my mom.
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  I got her personality.
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  She was very outgoing.
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  She was very friendly.
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  She was a people person.
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  She was into self, self development, all the psychology, and stuff like that.
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  And the the older that I'm getting, actually, the more I realize that I'm getting you know,
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  becoming more like my mom.
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  So it's very interesting.
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  Anyways, so I got married, and, fast forward.
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  In 2007, we landed, here in Canada because I had already before I got married, I had already
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  applied for integration in Canada.
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  We landed here, but for the first few years like until 2010, we never it was kind of going
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  back and forth, you know, like, Nothing serious.
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  It was duplication in here because, my ex husband never really wanted to stay here.
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  He was a lawyer.
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  So when 2007, when we landed and we stayed here for, like, a month only, and that's the thing
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  happened between us.
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  And, I decided to separate.
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  I decided to divorce him.
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  But again, it's Did you do that?
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  What you were in Canada, or why why you
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  were back in Iran?
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  No.
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  No.
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  So it happened that nasty thing.
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  Basically, I caught him like talking on the phone with this secretary and, you know, a lot
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  of a whole other world, you know, opened up for me in terms of, like, I was crushed and
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  devastated.
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  And because he was my idol, basically, for, for a good 7 years.
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  And so the last 3 years in our marriage.
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  It was lots of counseling and lots of our doing and stuff like that.
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  And the more that I realized I put that person, the priority in my life, and I kind of ignored
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  myself and my needs and my desires, you know, and the more I started to speak up and the more
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  we got into more arguments.
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  So, it was 2010 day, decided to to, settle down here.
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  So I came here by myself.
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  I told my ex that, I fight for a divorce.
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  Right?
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  So But that year 2010, was worst year of my life.
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  I can't say.
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  I can tell you.
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  It was it was very tough for me.
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  And because at the same time that I fight for divorce, and I already told my mom that I was I
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  filed for a divorce.
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  And she supported me.
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  She she always supported me, and she passed away in 2 weeks.
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  In Iran.
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  And I was here.
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  And, basically, 3 major heartbreaks.
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  Nigeria.
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  I got divorced.
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  I lost my mom.
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  And I left my country and started living in a country, which is totally different from my
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  country.
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  You know, I didn't know anyone here.
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  I didn't have it friends here.
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  I didn't have any family.
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  My sister, lived in used to live in, Vancouver back then.
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  It was pretty tough for me.
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  You know, that year was the hardest year for me.
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  And both people that I counted on so much my kids and my mother, I lost both of them.
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  And I lost my dad when I was, twenty He lost the battle to cancer and that was pretty tough
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  too.
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  So for me, that was a decision.
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  To make.
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  I I made the choice and I made the decision to live here.
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  And I made that tough decision based on the values that I have in my life, which was not
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  easy at all because I was totally out of my comfort zone.
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  People here speak a different language.
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  And, everything is here.
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  It's different.
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  You know, the loneliness that going through for the 1st good, like, couple of years.
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  It was really tough.
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  So I started building my own circle of friends.
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  And, so the 1st few years for me was, exploring myself.
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  Because experience and still a little bit, honestly, the loss of identity.
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  I did not who I was.
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  I did not know what I was doing here because I knew that I would have been very, like, a way
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  more comfortable living that.
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  So for me, it was all about exploring and figuring out who I was.
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  Right?
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  Because now I was living in a country that I have all the freedom.
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  I didn't have to wear any hijab.
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  I could go to salsa classes.
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  I you know, there was no one, no one there to tell me, oh, be home at that time or, quick for
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  me or, you know, where this or where that, you know, I had the complete freedom and I was all
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  by myself.
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  So I did I tried a lot of things.
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  I tried, all the self development classes, the courses.
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  I tried even skydiving, I try.
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  Her wife, actually, I became very disruptive, to be honest.
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  I broke my my left arm twice and, it's just I I just tried to find myself and and see who I
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  was.
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  And what I really wanted to do here.
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  And it's fine because, I started teaching ESL English as within language here and that was at
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  the time.
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  That was my dream.
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  Because there was always this, you know, assumption that, oh, okay.
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  So because people are native speakers here, who would hire you as as an English teacher, you
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  know, so that was my dream come true.
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  And I love that.
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  New Years, I taught English.
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  I love that.
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  It was so much fun.
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  We you know, fulfilling, rewarding with all the students and the kids that I had.
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  But after a while, To be honest, I was.
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  I am still very conscious of my English.
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  When I speak English, I, I don't wanna make mistakes.
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  I don't like it when people ask me, oh, where is your action?
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  You know, or, and here I am as an English teacher, like ESL, English as a second
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  language.
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  I loved it, but it was so draining for me.
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  Like, when I was sitting, all my classes coming home, I was so drained because lots of lots of
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  energy not to make any mistakes, you know, oh, I don't wanna mispronounce anything or as a
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  teacher.
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  Right?
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  So it was very draining.
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  And again, after a few years, I realized that I wouldn't really get off being very excited.
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  And I realized that I had changed a lot.
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  All the tough time and all the hardships made a different person out of me, I would say.
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  And I realized that I wanted to do something more.
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  I wanted to impact more people especially women.
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  And, that's when I started searching.
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  I didn't even know what I wanted to do, but I started searching and I ended up doing getting
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  my certificates in, life coaching, from ICF International Coach Regulation.
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  And, this is basically my story, becoming a life coach.
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  And then, I I turned my story in the boat in the best selling boat, you know, who's gonna
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  stop us now.
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  And that was that was beautiful.
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  So I realized a lot of clients came to me when we're reading my story.
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  Using my parents going through the divorce moving to a new country and how I basically
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  overcame all those struggles.
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  A lot of clients came to me and they wanted me to help them with their heartache.
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  Wanted me to help them with their grief.
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  They wanted me to help them with their losses, you know, with the loss of their loved ones,
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  the loss of, the trust, the loss of, identity.
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  And to be honest, I did not have the the tools for that.
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  You know, I did not.
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  I didn't even know how I helped my off to be honest, but, I realized that I needed to find
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  out all the tools, for these people, to move forward to basically, to heal their heartaches,
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  and I didn't know how.
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  So that's how I ended up again finding grief recovery method is dispute.
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  And, I got my certificate.
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  I did my training.
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  And that's funny because when I did my training, And, I realized that how incomplete I
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  was with my own loss and with my own break.
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  And I thought that I had dealt with that way before.
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  So that was something new to me.
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  I was like, oh my god.
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  So in terms of Greek, it's a huge, huge, area that a lot of people don't know how to deal
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  with and their losses because there are lots of lots of misconceptions around grief, like when
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  they say, oh, time heal.
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  Heal anyone.
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  You know what time?
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  You only get this pain.
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  Doesn't really do anything.
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  You know?
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  But the actions that we do during the time and help us, you know, get complete with our grief.
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  So basically, this was a summary of how I ended up here.
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  Wow.
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  So you you went through it and you got through it and you you you kinda went from thing to
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  thing and kind of hide lots of different things.
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  And like you said, sometimes you thought back and you thought, oh, boy.
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  I shouldn't have maybe done that thing.
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  Yeah.
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  What you did is then you thought, okay.
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  People are coming to me for guidance.
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  Because I'm, you know, an inspiration.
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  How do I then teach them from a space, but now to allow them more of a process to get grief.
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  And and I, you know, in my practice, obviously, over the years, I do work with trauma and I've
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  worked with grief over the years as a psychotherapist.
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  It's a it's a tough process and, having gone through loss myself.
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  It's one thing to go through it.
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  You know, I've, I've gone through a divorce, you know, 8 years ago myself, and, and recently
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  had lost my, little sister.
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  You know, and and, you know, to one thing to be a professional, that has dealt with patients
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  for, you know, over 25 years, or to coach people through it, but then when it's your own
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  process, you know, Ghana, the theories and the literature, and, you know, then it becomes
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  real.
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  And that's when it becomes like, okay, what am I gonna do now?
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  Like, I've got to apply all the things that I know works, but it's like, you're so right.
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  Time does not heal.
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  It's how you process the stages and be able to kind of get through it.
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  And I think it a lot a lot of times people, they avoid it completely, and it becomes a
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  thing separate from them that kinda keeps them stuck.
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  Would you would you agree with that that some of the people coming to you?
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  That's what they
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Definitely.
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  And, you know, it's funny.
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  Like, you kind of briefly mentioned that.
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  So when everything happened to me, especially in 1st couple of years that I was here and I
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  was going through a lot.
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  I, nothing would make sense to me.
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  You know?
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  Like, people were like, oh, everything happens for a reason, blah blah blah blah.
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  So none of them really make sense to me.
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  You know, and I was so angry.
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  I had so much anger towards everyone and everything had even thoughts, like, why you,
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  you know?
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  Yeah.
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  But now everything makes perfect sense for me.
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  You know?
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  Now I'm like, okay.
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  Now I know why I worked with this.
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  Because now I can't help other people.
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  And all these people who to be all these griefers that come to me they see that they are
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  dealt with their but what they've done is they've just buried pain.
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  They haven't really dealt with them.
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  Right?
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  So they just married the pay and, they tried to isolate themselves because this is another
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  misconception for the myths.
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  We always say in, in grief recovery methods.
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  We always say that There are lots of misconceptions and myths about grief.
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  Like, everything is okay or be strong for our people, be strong for your kids or, you know,
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  for your parents.
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  So we learn to to just deal with that.
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  We don't know how It's just after after why you just realized that you buried all the pain.
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  You know, and every situation, like every occasion, every situation, every mother's day,
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  father's day, or whatever that triggers that pain, it cuts out, you know, and still you're
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  like, oh my god.
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  After all these years, you know, I don't really know how to deal with that.
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  And it it holds actually a lot of people back in life from moving forward.
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  And I think you know what?
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  Like, I'll give you an example, you know, this morning, on Facebook, my niece, who's in
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  Australia, she posted a clip of my son, and he was eight and I was in Europe and he was, he's
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  tripled in size since then, I should tell you.
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  And the little click was saying, hi, Mommy, you know, How's Europe?
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  I love you.
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  And I start to cry because not that I mean, I've dealt with the pain of the separation.
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  But just seeing that picture just for a split second, that was just when I was about to
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  separate.
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  It brought me up how small he was.
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  And I brought up the time for a second.
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  You know, I I was teary eyed for a bit, and I and then I kind of, you know, acknowledged it,
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  really.
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  You know, it was that's real.
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  That pain was very, very real.
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  That time was real.
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  And, I think a lot of times people think because they cry, That means I've not processed
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  the group grief.
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  Right.
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  You know?
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  So when I say, no, that just means you're acknowledging that space within yourself that
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  needs to be honored and you can feel and you can function.
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  But a lot of people, like, you've probably feel they feel or they function.
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  And lord help them if they both come together, it becomes a little bit of a volcano.
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  And they go, I can't do this again.
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  So, you know, it's it's it's it's that's a good example just this morning that happened to me,
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  and it's, you know, timely that I was, gonna talk to you to today about that because I think
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  it's a normalizing of grief.
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  Yes.
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  You know, and the process and that people truly believe that they'll never feel again Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Because they will, but they won't they won't shut down, I think, is the process.
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  Would you agree with that, with the brief method that you're talking about?
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  Yes.
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  Definitely.
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  Like, what we do, in this method is that we do believe that Weavers actually need to be heard
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  and not states.
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  And weavers are suffering from broken hearts, not a broken head, basically.
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  Right?
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  So everything that we have learned intellectually don't make sense for griefers.
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  Right?
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  So we want to heal their their broken heart and, we want to basically get complete with,
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  whatever that is emotionally has been left, incomplete.
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  You know?
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  So we say that the recovery is when you can just move on in your life have those fond
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  memories, as you said, and still be okay with your feelings, you know, and get complete with
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  whatever that has been, with whatever that has been unresolved, unresolved, and because
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  because basically grief and grief is the end of the, and or the change of the pattern in a
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  behavior.
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  For example, when I lose my mom or when I, leave my country it's in for the change of
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  pattern in my life.
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  You know, that person is not there for me to talk to anymore.
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  Or my friends are not there.
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  I can't go if I'm sad or if I'm, you know, I don't know, crying.
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  I can't just go and knock the neighbor's door and say hi because an end or change of a, like,
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  a behavioral pattern in my in my life.
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  So we have lots of hopes and brings and expectations in every relationship.
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  Most of our relationships, when we lose someone, we end up having lots of unresolved
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  issues and unresolved communication.
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  Right?
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  So in brief recovery methods, we say we need to learn need to learn actions that help help us
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  get complete, with all those basically, uncomunicated, or unresolved communication and
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  issues.
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  So those are the things that Like, we have to learn how to, forgive, let's say, the person.
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  We learn to how to, apologize.
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  From person, or we we need to let go basically of the pain.
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  We never say, oh, forget your past or forget the or say goodbye to the person, but it's
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  mostly, let's go of the pain, you know, say goodbye to the pain because you wanna move on
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  in your life.
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  Right.
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  And I
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  I that's such a, you know, and and when I I think of loss, right, I'd like most of the
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  people that I've seen Whether it's an actual death or or it's a divorce or it's a change of
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  country, it's a a change of, you know, I had to move neighborhoods because I, you know, I sold
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  my home or my kids have to change schools or, like, you know, even, like, you're talking
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  about in grief, a lot of people or loss or change, a lot of adults feel that they have to
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  keep it all together because, like, I can't look.
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  They think, like, I'm falling apart in front of my kids, Yeah.
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  And what in fact they do is they they the poor cute little ones, different stages are
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  experiencing things internally, but they look at you and you're just all put together and
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  they're like, okay.
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  I have to get rid of this because look at my mom or look at my dad, they're not seeming to
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  experience anything.
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  So I think the transparency elements I'm sure you talk about in in grief because a lot of
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  people feel like it when someone says, how are you doing?
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  You're supposed to say, I'm okay.
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  And in fact, if you're not okay, you can say, well, I'm figuring it out.
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  I mean, you know, sometimes some days are good, and some days, I'm a bit of a mess.
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  People are afraid to share that.
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  Would you find that in your group a lot?
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  That that openness to to share.
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  I'm having a bad day.
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  Yeah.
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  It's, let me tell you, actually, a very, interesting story.
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  So I think we are all and this is what we learned that, oh, don't show your feelings.
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  Or be okay.
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  Right?
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  So when I got, when I got the call, that, you know, when my mom passed away in Iran, and I
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  was at work.
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  And you can't imagine what's on how devastated I was.
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  Right?
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  And me being Persian and usually immediately and you're very good with expressing our
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  feelings.
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  Right?
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  So I started crying and sobbing, and I had I had just got to work.
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  And, the reaction that I actually got from my boss was very interesting or very surprising to
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  me because And if I had been in my country, it would have very different, like, people would
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  hug you, you know, they would let you cry, you know, so she just pulled me in in her office
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  and she was like, oh, don't cry in front of people don't cry in front of the students.
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  It's okay.
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  And So she gave me like a like a hog that it it was, I don't know, it wasn't very friendly or
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  whatever.
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  And that's it.
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  And I just it was such a different experience.
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  So I learned that, oh, okay.
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  There are show that you're okay.
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  Right?
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  And for for a good 2 years, not maybe not every single night, but a lot of nights, I cried my
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  to sleep.
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  And in the morning, I put a biggest smile on my face and I went to work.
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  And every single person, Sarah, how are you?
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  Oh, I'm fine.
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  I'm great.
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  But I was dying inside.
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  No.
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  I'm not fine.
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  My mom is not can't pick up the phone and talk to her.
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  You know, I'm financially having the problem.
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  I'm emotionally having problem.
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  Where are all my support?
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  Where's my dad?
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  Where's my husband?
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  I don't even know who I am anymore.
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  You know?
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  So and you're right.
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  Like, we learn not to actually express our feelings.
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  We learn, oh, we're good and we're okay.
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  And I think this is what's important to it is important to educate people.
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  And let people know that it's okay not to be okay, basically.
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  Right.
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  To get give them the permission, and I I often think that sometimes the teachers, I think, of
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  my son and being as a, one of my most powerful teachers, because here I am, I'm separating,
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  yes, my life is falling apart.
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  But I still have to function.
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  Right?
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  I still have to be a mom.
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  I still have to run my business.
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  I still have to run a home.
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  And then, you know, after and so what I did intuitively is I just surrounded myself because
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  I'm like you because I was not new.
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  I surrounded myself with this, though, warmest, all the people that were in my life that loved
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  me, my family, my close girlfriends, their families, their kids, and we just got together.
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  And it didn't make sense a lot of times, but I felt like, you know, I often say that, those
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  times are like, I got through it with warm fuzzy blankets of people that loved me.
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  And because at times, I was like, I couldn't remember.
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  Now I can't remember some of times that, you know, the days involved in those, events.
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  And what happens is, like, a lot of people hide to your points, and they don't reach out.
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  So people don't know know how much they need them more than ever.
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  And and I think sometimes that's that's a growth skill, right, to to show the
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  vulnerability that I I'm functioning, but guess what?
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  I don't know if it's Monday or Sunday.
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  Yeah.
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  And I just need you to help me out.
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  And I think when you surround yourself with good people, and because you allow them see who
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  you are before you go into this, or even as you go into this, it allows them to give you or
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  help you, when you don't know what to ask for.
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  Would you agree with that?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Right.
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  It it's point.
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  Some of the, like, the 2 of the YouTube videos that I uploaded on my, on my channel, the most
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  viewers were the the ones that I was talking to the grief and what not to say and what to say
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  to people who are grieving or someone who has lost, her loved one.
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  And, people surprisingly, they don't know.
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  They're like, oh my god.
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  We always did this for, for example, when you say, oh, your mom Oh, at least she lived her
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  life or she's at a better place.
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  You know, those are all intellectual comments.
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  You know?
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  I don't wanna hear those things.
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  And and people don't know how to comfort you.
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  You know?
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  And or, for example, when you say, oh, I know how you feel.
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  No.
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  You don't really know how I feel.
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  Maybe you had a similar experience, but your relationship, might have been very different.
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  I one has a unique relationship with their, with their loved one and or any situation.
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  Like, for example, as you said, divorce, I I can't talk about my experience and I and I what
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  I went through, but I can't really say, oh, I understand how you feel because your
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  relationship was having very different.
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  And something that you mentioned that surrounding yourself with good friends, it's
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  very, very important.
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  There is something in a grief recovery methodology talk about.
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  We call them stirps or a short term energy, releasing 3rd.
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  Yes.
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  So short term energy relievers.
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  Sorry.
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  Short term energy Okay.
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  Basically, those are the ones that, when we don't know how to deal with our emotions and we
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  get into those stuff, for example, We don't know how to deal with our emotions.
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  We start eating or over or, for example, alcohol or drugs.
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  Example, a lot of people become workaholic, you know, because they want to distract themselves.
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  Right?
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  They want to get busy, and this this is basically the message that we get from the
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  society and other people.
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  Oh, why don't you go and sign up yourself and learn how to play the piano?
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  For example.
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  Or, oh, why don't you, you know, I don't know, work harder or, you know, stay at work longer,
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  you know, like, get busy, basically.
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  Right?
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  And those are the ways that we just try to, release our energy but we are not really
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  dealing with the with the hard print.
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  Right?
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  So the solution short term, not a bad idea.
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  But it
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  it can't be a replacement long term.
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  So I often say to people, you're gonna go over a bridge.
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  You don't know what what tools you need to get over that bridge.
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  You're gonna you're gonna pack up with what you need, but you still gotta go over that bridge
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  and and know that there's gonna be light on the other side of the bridge.
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  Right?
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  But I think, right, if you think about our society today, Sarah, distraction.
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  Like, I mean, if you look at a lot of the opiate crisis, for instance, like, people are
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  so, afraid of dealing with what they feel, right, that they're going to other means.
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  Right?
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  It could be short term, but then ends up being long term.
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  There's nothing wrong with the long the short term to be, you know, to to to kind of stay
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  steady, but at some point, you have to often say you gotta go to the root of the dandelion.
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  If you don't go to the root of the dandelion, that that that that route's gonna pop up
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  somewhere else.
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  In another part of your life, and people go, yeah, good points.
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  Right?
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  But it takes working with, you know, yourself or someone like me sometimes because People in
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  your life might be well intentioned, but they don't know what to do with you sometimes.
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  They try to support you but they may not be able to be support you in a way that helps you
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  to move on.
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  That's very true.
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  So I I know you have a couple of things going on, and I know people listening that must, you
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  know, grief in When I say grief and loss, it could like, you've you talk country.
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  So if there's people coming to Canada for the first I came to Canada when 16.
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  Right?
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  Like, talk, you know, like, talk about woah.
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  You know, so I was, you know, basically young, but people coming in now that, you know, like
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  every and your language, I had English, right, or even people going through separations or
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  divorces or going through will loss, all those things are things that you deal with.
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  So I know you have some programs that, you offer, so I would love and a retreat coming up
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  in the fall.
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  Which I would love to hear more about.
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  So why don't you tell people listening a bit about it and where they can get a hold of you,
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  so that they can connect if they wanted to work with you, Sarah?
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  Sure.
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  Thank you.
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  Yeah, I have, actually, a few programs I have my coaching programs, which I do one on 1, and,
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  I have some classes, some courses, like, and 6 week courses is called dare to be bold.
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  Basically, people learn how to act right this way, how to be more confident, how to face
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  their fears, how to, change their mindset and change their limiting beliefs and how to say
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  no.
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  And how to act.
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  Right?
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  This is the the the course that I'm actually offering.
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  I do a lot of one on one coaching.
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  I have different packages, from 6 weeks to 6 months.
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  All the information is on the website.
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  In terms of the grief recovery, I have actually, again, both, one on one.
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  The one on one course is usually, 77 sessions or 7 weeks.
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  And then, the coaching or the group grief recovery coaching is 8 weeks.
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  And, again, all the information is on the website.
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  I had her retreat for the first time.
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  I'm very actually excited about that because I realized that women love do retreats.
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  You know, I love traveling myself.
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  And exploring, you know, all those new places, especially in Canada, beautiful places.
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  But I realized that we women are so stressed and they just wanna get away.
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  They just wanna, you know, just be together for a little bit learn, have fun, you know, get
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  quiet, do meditation, do yoga.
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  So anyways, their retreat is called self love, retreat.
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  It can fall.
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  Again, the information is on the website.
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  And, yeah, people can find me on my website, www Sarah.caorwwww.@livecoaching.com.
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  I'm on Facebook.
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  I'm on Instagram.
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  And, yeah, those are
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  all the information.
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  Well, thank you so much, Sarah.
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  This has been a wonderful, that you could create such such a jewel, from some of the
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  adversity that that you've been through in your life and the strength that you gained, you
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  know, going through such a dark spot.
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  It obviously has given you a gift to be able to help others.
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  So so thank you for what you're doing out there in the world.
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  And, you know, for me, I think of, you know, if we can just be ourselves and be authentic
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  regardless of what we're going through, what what a what a gift we give to others when we
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  can do that, And, you know, with me, it's about living authentically and, being yourself and
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  you never know when something small like a hello or a warm hug or a gentle word to someone
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  in the line before you might be something that's that's all that's needed to be.
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  So never know.
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  You may never know how you're leading in some way, authentically by a small gesture.
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  So continue to do that, as often as you can.
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  If you're wanting more information on me and, my brand.
• 36:15
  You can go to Roxanne forward slash blueprint that will give you the opportunity to get a
• 36:21
  free course on authentic relationships.
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  And I look forward to connecting with you again soon.
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  So thanks again, Sarah.
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  Take care.
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  Bye.
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• 36:32
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