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Molly Bish’s mom searches for answers in teen daughter-turned lifeguard death; remains found · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace to the man who took Molly Bush? Does
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Speaker 1: June anything to you? It's been seventeen years since Molly
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Speaker 1: Bish fetished. Her remains were found on a Central Massachusetts
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Speaker 1: mountain side. Three years later, the case remains unsolved. It's
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Speaker 1: an open investigation. We're constantly getting tips and leads on it. Initially,
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Speaker 1: Molly's disappearance wasn't thought to be an abduction. There is
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Speaker 1: ranged from Molly running away to being somewhere with her friends.
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Speaker 1: I don't feel like she would run away and she
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Speaker 1: was gone hiding out. I didn't have that feeling. There's
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Speaker 1: pieces out there that we just need to fit together
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Speaker 1: that's going to allow us to move forward with the investigation.
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Speaker 1: Does June mean anything to you? Does June Evan two
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Speaker 1: thousand mean anything to you? It does to me. That
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Speaker 1: is the year that we have all been looking for
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Speaker 1: Molly Bush m June. Every time June rolls around, I
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Speaker 1: think about Molly Bush, and almost every day in between.
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Speaker 1: Why what happened to a beautiful, beautiful young girl Molly
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Speaker 1: Bish Joining me right right now is a special guest,
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Speaker 1: Maggie Bush and her daughter Heather. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Maggie.
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Speaker 1: I can't tell you what it means to me to
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Speaker 1: get to speak to you again and to meet your
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Speaker 1: beautiful daughter Heather. Just you know, it's funny. It's funny
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Speaker 1: how you never think I would never when I was little,
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Speaker 1: I would never have thought, Wow, some the greatest people
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Speaker 1: ever made in my life are going to be crime victims?
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't think about that when you're planning
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Speaker 1: your future. There's some kind of a bond between violent
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Speaker 1: crime victims that I can't really explain it. But I'll start,
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Speaker 1: Maggie with telling you. I don't know if you know
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Speaker 1: how many prayers go up every day about you and
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Speaker 1: Molly and your family. I'll just start with that and
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Speaker 1: then to you. It was Molly's eight to day at
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Speaker 1: a brand new job as a lifeguard. She was just sixteen.
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Speaker 1: It's a hot summer day. Do you remember that day, Maggie, Oh,
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Speaker 1: how I do? Um again? We had just gotten out
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Speaker 1: of school. I'm a school teacher, and uh has cleaned
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Speaker 1: your room and I had I actually was special that teacher,
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Speaker 1: and I had some some U I e. Piece some
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Speaker 1: work to complete, and so we were all kind of
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Speaker 1: buzzing a little bit. You know. Molly had a new job,
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Speaker 1: my son had just trained her, and Um. I had
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Speaker 1: taken her to work the day before and it was
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Speaker 1: kind of a little unsettling. We had seen a car
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Speaker 1: that day parked in the parking lot and there was
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Speaker 1: only one white vehicle, and Molly got out and She
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Speaker 1: was very excited and said, by Mom, I love you,
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Speaker 1: see you later, you know, when just she had to
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Speaker 1: get supplies ready and go down to the beach. It
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Speaker 1: was the first week of the swimming lessons for the
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Speaker 1: town kids. So we live in a very small community,
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Speaker 1: only four thousand folks, one traffic light, beautiful town in
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Speaker 1: the central Massachusetts. Well, Molly went off and I see
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Speaker 1: this vehicle on this man and he ends up kind
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Speaker 1: of staring at me, and I get kind of unnerved,
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Speaker 1: and I said, I can't leave Molly here. What is
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Speaker 1: this guy doing here? So I head to the beach
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Speaker 1: and meet her and we sit and it is a
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Speaker 1: very lovely little place and it's kind of again it's
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Speaker 1: down a main street, but it's also kind of isolated.
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Speaker 1: And we sit, we talked and I really we haven't
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Speaker 1: talked a whole lot about danger, but we talked about
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Speaker 1: you know, I said, I noticed there's more men around maybe,
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Speaker 1: and she did spots just fisherman. Mom, not concerned at all.
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Speaker 1: I talked about how nice the beaches, and then I said,
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Speaker 1: I got to get back and do my reports. So
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Speaker 1: I go to the car and this individual is still there.
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Speaker 1: I am so kind of aw starck, like, what is
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Speaker 1: he doing? He's just sitting there smoking a cigarette. There's
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Speaker 1: nothing to view, it's woods. And I get into my
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Speaker 1: car and I'm looking. I had not even taken my
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Speaker 1: purse before, so when I go in, I'm pretending I'm
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Speaker 1: getting something, and prior to that, I'm walking and he
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Speaker 1: stares at me. And I have to tell you, it's
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Speaker 1: like a mother bear. You just want to protect your child.
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Speaker 1: You just said, what are you doing here? Go go
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Speaker 1: to work at ten o'clock in the morning, and and
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Speaker 1: that just got me so unnerved. So when I went
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Speaker 1: to the car to get my purse, he pulled out
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Speaker 1: so fast that I didn't even think. I just got relieved.
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Speaker 1: It was one of those immediate gut feelings. I just
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Speaker 1: was uncomfortable. And that white car still to this day,
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Speaker 1: we've never found We never found the individual who was
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Speaker 1: driving it. Our case remains unsolved. And um Anyway, the
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Speaker 1: next day happened. Took Molly to work the same talked
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Speaker 1: to her that night about being safe, even offered her
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Speaker 1: a little Kubaton stick, which my husband had as a
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Speaker 1: probation officer. She said, Mom, I don't need it. It's
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Speaker 1: just fisherman, don't worry. And that next morning, after I
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Speaker 1: drove her the work, there wasn't a single car in
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Speaker 1: the parking lot. She said goodbye, Mom, I love you,
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Speaker 1: our routine kind of farewell, and that was the last
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Speaker 1: time I ever heard my Molly. And I would have never,
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Speaker 1: ever in my wildest dreams or sadness, has imagined that
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Speaker 1: three hours later I would get a phone call from
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Speaker 1: this assistant chief of police that Molly had not been
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Speaker 1: at the pond all morning. Her things were left on
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Speaker 1: the beach, an open first aid kit, um, the police radio,
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Speaker 1: her shoes, and her backpack all remained on the beach,
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Speaker 1: and nobody knew where she was at that point. It
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Speaker 1: this was an unusual event for us. Molly was very conscientious,
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Speaker 1: very kind of nervous. It's a new job. They told
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Speaker 1: me she probably went with friends. I didn't. It didn't
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Speaker 1: make sense. She left her shoes, she left her backpack,
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Speaker 1: but she left the job at ten o'clock when she
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Speaker 1: just was starting. It just it makes sense at all.
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Speaker 1: So I called my daughter, Heather, and Heather said she
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Speaker 1: would meet me at the beach, and I immediately got
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Speaker 1: in my car. I went to the beach and I went,
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Speaker 1: I'm still in disbelief, and I'm calling her and screaming
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Speaker 1: her name on the beach, Molly, Molly, and people were coming.
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Speaker 1: There was no Molly, and people had said that she
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Speaker 1: hadn't been there. There had been the lifeguard all day,
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Speaker 1: and I knew I dropped her off. I've seen her things,
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Speaker 1: so I was very, very frightened. For me. The first
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Speaker 1: gut re action was something really wrong here. I started
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Speaker 1: to go toward um the police station. There comes Heather
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Speaker 1: with our new ro granddaughter and we go into the
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Speaker 1: police station and I say, something's very wrong. I need
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Speaker 1: this chief, the assistant chief, because he called me and
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Speaker 1: my husband, and because he was a probation in the
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Speaker 1: local area at the local court, I said call him.
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Speaker 1: That's how upset I was already. I knew in my
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Speaker 1: heart that this was not how Molly operated. And they
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Speaker 1: told us to go in a little room. It was
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Speaker 1: two young officers and they figured out that, oh, she
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Speaker 1: just went with friends. They weren't concerned. And that's when
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Speaker 1: Heather and I well that that they told you to
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Speaker 1: go in the room, and I took off looking from
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Speaker 1: all my friends. So I went from there and then
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Speaker 1: I went also to look for her other friend in
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Speaker 1: the next town that was a good friend, and she
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Speaker 1: was accounted for, and then I got my son returned,
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Speaker 1: we returned to the beach, and when we got to
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Speaker 1: the beach, we were aghast. I mean, people in a
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Speaker 1: small town heard there's Molly was not at the beach.
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Speaker 1: It was on the scanners and there were people starting
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Speaker 1: to come. And Molly's friend's father was ahead of the
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Speaker 1: fire department and nobody I think this was the hard Partnancy.
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Speaker 1: Nobody knew. Everybody felt something, but they didn't know what
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Speaker 1: to do. And I really didn't see the priest. As
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Speaker 1: I got there, it was the fireman had actually entered
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Speaker 1: the pond thinking Molly drowned swimming, and that was very frightful.
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Speaker 1: They had those special dogs to determine if there was
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Speaker 1: a body. I mean, it was like you were now
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Speaker 1: really in a surreal, unbelievable place that you've never been.
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Speaker 1: And it's heartbreaking because you don't know where your daughter is.
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Speaker 1: Nobody knows where she is, and you're just watching this
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Speaker 1: this show progressed and it was scary and and sad,
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Speaker 1: and you worry what she's thinking. You don't know what
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Speaker 1: Now that you have children, I know you can imagine
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Speaker 1: how hard what would your child do? And you know,
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Speaker 1: each child has their own personality. Molly was funny and silly,
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Speaker 1: and but she was also very shy and if someone
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Speaker 1: would hurt her, but she would also trust somebody because
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Speaker 1: she was a good kid and she had no reason
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Speaker 1: not to. You know, if they dressed like a police officer,
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Speaker 1: or they dressed and some you know, um authoritative, she
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Speaker 1: would go. And that's how I know that we we
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Speaker 1: looked there was no nobody had Molly, and we had
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Speaker 1: everybody that she was, you know, friends with, accounted for.
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Speaker 1: And that was really the beginning of our horrible nightmare.
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Speaker 1: Everyone with me is what I consider to be a
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Speaker 1: friend with me is Maggie Bish. This is Molly Bish's mother.
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Speaker 1: Molly goes missing one warm June morning two thousand to
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Speaker 1: search still on from Molly's killer. And when I hear
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Speaker 1: you talking, I can't help it. It takes me straight
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Speaker 1: back to when my fiance was murdered. And there's that
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Speaker 1: feeling you. I felt like a wild animal. This is
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Speaker 1: the only way I can describe it. I felt like
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Speaker 1: a wild animal that couldn't form words. I wanted to
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Speaker 1: break the window with my bare hands, and just how
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Speaker 1: I didn't even know words to say. And I'm thinking
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Speaker 1: I remember one night, right before I was supposed to
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Speaker 1: go on the air, my long time makeup artist she's on,
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Speaker 1: was with me and she got a call. She had
12:53
Speaker 1: her hands in my in my hair at the moment,
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Speaker 1: and put it on the speaker and her son was missing,
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Speaker 1: Arlington was missing, and everything just went berserk. And I mean,
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Speaker 1: I've covered all these cases. I know what to do,
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Speaker 1: I know who to call, but when it happens to you,
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Speaker 1: it's a whole whole another can of worms. And her story.
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Speaker 1: He was found, thank goodness. And I'm just thinking about
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Speaker 1: you at that at that pond and they're looking in
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Speaker 1: the water and you see the first aid kid and
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Speaker 1: you see her shoes and everything's there, everything's right, everything
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Speaker 1: is present. But Molly, when did you find out what
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Speaker 1: happened to Molly? They took three long years before we
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Speaker 1: knew anything, and they were hard and it was really
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Speaker 1: tough for our whole family, and families suffer. You know,
14:00
Speaker 1: used to have um fragile fridays. If we made it
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Speaker 1: another week, you know, how are we doing? Checking in
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Speaker 1: with each other. It was tough. We didn't have small
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Speaker 1: children my children. My son was just in this first
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Speaker 1: year of college, and how there was just had her
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Speaker 1: first child. So we were a little older, which in
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Speaker 1: some ways is easier but still very difficult, because every
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Speaker 1: age has its own difficult excepting a sibling. You're so
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Speaker 1: right about that, And there are so many phases you
14:31
Speaker 1: go through. One when you suffer a loss. My father
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Speaker 1: passed away and I'm still amiss. He and I were,
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Speaker 1: I guess soul mates were just I mean, I love
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Speaker 1: my mother. I'm extremely close to her. I've always talked
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Speaker 1: to her more I guess I did my dad. But
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Speaker 1: he and I were just two piece in a pod,
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Speaker 1: and you go through It hurts me too much to
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Speaker 1: remember what I went three when Keith was murdered. But
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Speaker 1: the thing that that that phases you go through when
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Speaker 1: you lose somebody. But I guess I don't know what
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Speaker 1: I'll have to ask you because I knew almost immediately
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Speaker 1: who murdered Keith and what had happened to him. But
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Speaker 1: it was two thousand and three, almost to the days
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Speaker 1: June nine, two thousand and three, before you knew what
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Speaker 1: had happened to Molly. Do you remember that day? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know it is, Oh, I can tell you it's awful.
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Speaker 1: My we actually we had did the Missing Children's Day
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Speaker 1: May at the end of May, and we had come
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Speaker 1: home and John had gotten a call, my husband, and
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Speaker 1: he said, we have to get home. And usually I'm
15:54
Speaker 1: saying thank you to all the people. We have two
15:55
Speaker 1: bust loads of people that we take with us to Boston,
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Speaker 1: and so I'm very grateful. We've with flowers. We forget
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Speaker 1: me that you don't go out there. We do a big,
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Speaker 1: beautiful program. So we're coming home with all this stuff
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Speaker 1: and John saying get home, We're going, We're going, and
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Speaker 1: he was pushing me. I was getting a little agitated.
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Speaker 1: But what happened is one of the news reporters came
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Speaker 1: to our house and they had the pictures because somebody
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Speaker 1: did not believe. While how it went is there was
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Speaker 1: a hunter that had spotted something that he wasn't familiar with,
16:25
Speaker 1: but he mentioned it to this UM person who used
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Speaker 1: to be a police officer, and so they went and
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Speaker 1: they were kind of on their own doing this, and
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Speaker 1: then I guess this this police officer didn't believe that
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Speaker 1: the um you know, He's afraid the police would take
16:41
Speaker 1: credit for his fine, I guess, and so he wanted
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Speaker 1: some of them take pictures and he called them the press,
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Speaker 1: and the press did it, and so guess what they do.
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Speaker 1: They show it to us before the police even called
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Speaker 1: us and told us anything. So while I'm in my driveway,
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Speaker 1: and you know how in the press car like the
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Speaker 1: vans they have all the TVs. There's Molly's. Yeah, this
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Speaker 1: is how Molly's. I've seen her bathing suit in the
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Speaker 1: rust in the leaves, the old leaves. And John didn't remember,
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Speaker 1: you know, my husband, he you know, it's so funny.
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Speaker 1: I actually went out with her to buy this special
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Speaker 1: bathing suit because they didn't have the colored ones the
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Speaker 1: recreational person who was going to order them. So I
17:19
Speaker 1: knew exactly what it was. It was a blue one,
17:22
Speaker 1: but it was a special one, and I knew right
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Speaker 1: then and there my knees almost crumbled, and I ran
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Speaker 1: up the stairs and to our home. And I mean
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Speaker 1: there was three days that I could say. And when
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Speaker 1: you were talking earlier, you do it's like a primal cry.
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Speaker 1: It's it's from the depths of your soul. I knew,
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Speaker 1: and I didn't want it, you know, you want to
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Speaker 1: find Molly, but it wasn't the way we had hoped,
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Speaker 1: you know, and my I mean I cried and it
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Speaker 1: just the that was one of the worst I have
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Speaker 1: to say days. And I hollowed and I every piece
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Speaker 1: of me was spent. And you know that you say
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Speaker 1: it was a special swimsuit that in the moment you
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Speaker 1: saw you knew what it was. What was it that
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Speaker 1: you knew beyond a doubt that was Molly's swimsuit. No,
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Speaker 1: I really I don't know to analyze it. I think
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Speaker 1: it's just that I was the mother. I picked it out.
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Speaker 1: It was the color, and I think there was a
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Speaker 1: little bit. She was going to the training for the
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Speaker 1: lifeguards and she needed a certain kind of you know,
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Speaker 1: a tank suit type, so I knew that material and
18:38
Speaker 1: it was blue, but it had some you know, it
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Speaker 1: had to be a little bit cool, so it had
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Speaker 1: some mixed colorings in the middle of different things. And
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Speaker 1: I've seen it. I knew, I just knew. And you know, again,
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Speaker 1: they had to send the police in, they had to
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Speaker 1: send the such party and they had and I mean
18:54
Speaker 1: that began a really another whole experience because the first day,
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Speaker 1: they came home with one bone, you know, or yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was a shidden bone, but it could possibly be
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Speaker 1: someone in Molly's age range. The next day they had
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Speaker 1: ripped bones, and then by the third day they had
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Speaker 1: her skull. I mean, what mother, see, you know, we
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Speaker 1: actually did say goodbye to Molly and kissed goodbye, but
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Speaker 1: we only had twenty four bones that were found. But
19:23
Speaker 1: because of that, we were able to get her dental records,
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Speaker 1: you know, so that's they had to certainly make sure
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Speaker 1: it was Molly's and I think that was the only
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Speaker 1: way we were able to They were able to say
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Speaker 1: the police, but I knew, you know, and it was
19:39
Speaker 1: just confirmed what happened to a beautiful, beautiful young girl,
19:45
Speaker 1: Molly Bish. Heather Bish is Molly's sister. Heather. What do
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Speaker 1: you recall of this time? Well, I think, you know, again,
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Speaker 1: it was still that it couldn't be possible that Molly
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Speaker 1: was abducted at you know, I thought in the beginning
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Speaker 1: that it had to be a mistake, and you know,
20:06
Speaker 1: sort of the same thing that this this company, right,
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Speaker 1: there's there's got to be an explanation for this. And
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Speaker 1: then as the moments in time kept passing, and Molly
20:16
Speaker 1: didn't pop out in if anywhere. You know, that's when
20:19
Speaker 1: we realized her her peril. She was, she was in
20:21
Speaker 1: a great feel of Carol. So you know, we became
20:25
Speaker 1: increasingly anxious. I think when even when we found the
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Speaker 1: bathing suit for me, you know, I think it just
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Speaker 1: kind of just hold on to hope, like I don't know,
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Speaker 1: maybe maybe he stripped her and through the bathing suit
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Speaker 1: in the woods or or something. We just want, I
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Speaker 1: want to believe something as terrible as as her loss
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Speaker 1: isn't isn't going to be what what the final end
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Speaker 1: of the story is. And for me, I can remember
20:49
Speaker 1: the day that the state police actually came up to
20:51
Speaker 1: the house on June nine, when when they did find
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Speaker 1: lest go because people were coming over to my mom's
20:57
Speaker 1: house every day and I had been living in in
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Speaker 1: Western mass at the time and driving out every morning
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Speaker 1: with my three year old, and it was about a
21:05
Speaker 1: forty five minute drive and for a three year old
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Speaker 1: to have to go potty all the time, that's like
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Speaker 1: two potty stuff. Never never an easy, easy trip. But
21:14
Speaker 1: we were doing that daily to to um ensure that
21:18
Speaker 1: we were we were all together. And I remember we
21:20
Speaker 1: had just gotten there on June ninth, and there are
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Speaker 1: people in the driveway and my mom was talking and UM.
21:27
Speaker 1: In the distance, I could see the district attorney and
21:29
Speaker 1: the head of our investigation, UM walking up the driveway
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Speaker 1: and they were wearing suits, and it was, you know,
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Speaker 1: the beginning of June, and I was thinking, jeez, it's
21:39
Speaker 1: a real, really a hot day to be wearing a
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Speaker 1: full suit like that. And then I just I just knew.
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Speaker 1: I thought, I just knew, like this is it, this
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Speaker 1: is this is the final they're gonna tell us now,
21:51
Speaker 1: you know what's interesting that you're saying. And I had
21:56
Speaker 1: to keep projecting, but what you're saying is striking so
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Speaker 1: many core send me you just when you saw those
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Speaker 1: guys in the suits, you knew and I'm just really,
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Speaker 1: I just I just really wanted to run away, to
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Speaker 1: be honest with you, I didn't even want to hear
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Speaker 1: what they were going to going to say. I just
22:13
Speaker 1: thought if I could run, I would be able to
22:16
Speaker 1: outrun the truth or the reality or you know. It
22:19
Speaker 1: just felt like everything's going to change now, our whole life.
22:23
Speaker 1: Everything we feel again that you your mind tries to
22:33
Speaker 1: get around it or or or bend with it, because
22:36
Speaker 1: I remember I would wake up in the mornings and
22:39
Speaker 1: I would think that Keith was still alive and this
22:44
Speaker 1: had been some elaborate roos, and I would dream. I
22:48
Speaker 1: would dream and this is so I don't know exactly
22:52
Speaker 1: what this means, because I never saw a shrink about it.
22:54
Speaker 1: Probably should. I would dream that Keith wanted to get
22:59
Speaker 1: out of the gay she meant, and so he had
23:01
Speaker 1: thanked the whole thing, because you know, this close to
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Speaker 1: us getting married, he had decided that in my dream,
23:10
Speaker 1: and I'd wake up and I get, God, he's a
23:13
Speaker 1: live and it's just you know, And then I would
23:18
Speaker 1: have I would have dreams that Molly was still alive,
23:21
Speaker 1: but she would be you know, she would have gone
23:24
Speaker 1: off with her friends to Florida, or she went on
23:27
Speaker 1: you know, she went on a trip and she was
23:29
Speaker 1: just back and she was going to see her old boyfriend.
23:31
Speaker 1: And I'd be I remember in the dreams, feeling like, no,
23:34
Speaker 1: you can't go on. I'm definately want to be with
23:37
Speaker 1: you and hang out with you. And generally that's not
23:39
Speaker 1: how twenty year old to feel about their teenage sisters.
23:43
Speaker 1: So I've always sort of thought about those dreams later
23:47
Speaker 1: now in life and thought, she's you know, maybe Molly
23:50
Speaker 1: was trying to tell me in some capacity that she
23:52
Speaker 1: was okay, you know, and it was just me feeling
23:55
Speaker 1: this desperate feeling. Listen to this to the man who
23:58
Speaker 1: took Molly dish. Does June two thousand mean anything to you?
24:05
Speaker 1: I remember it as a warm summer day. We left home,
24:08
Speaker 1: we picked up the police radio, and then we arrived
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Speaker 1: at the pond. The sand truck was there. We watched,
24:15
Speaker 1: mesmerized like little children as the sand fell gently to
24:18
Speaker 1: the ground. Molly and mom for the last time. Molly
24:23
Speaker 1: said goodbye, I love you, and man off. It was
24:27
Speaker 1: her eighth day on her new job as a lifeguard.
24:31
Speaker 1: That was the last time I saw or heard for
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Speaker 1: my Molly. I have held those words wrapped around my
24:38
Speaker 1: heart to sustain it from breaking into a million broken pieces.
24:42
Speaker 1: It's been seventeen years since Molly bish vanished. Her remains
24:46
Speaker 1: were found on a central Massachusetts mountain side three years later.
24:51
Speaker 1: The case remains unsolved. It's an open investigation. We're constantly
24:56
Speaker 1: getting tips and leads on it. Were moving forward and
25:01
Speaker 1: going through the beginning to know we started talking to
25:05
Speaker 1: some of the original investigators just bring them in as
25:07
Speaker 1: a group, and we also have a disc attorney assigned
25:10
Speaker 1: to the case. So they came in and we just
25:11
Speaker 1: started going over there observations that notes their feelings, you know,
25:16
Speaker 1: things like that Maggie Bish could never imagine a moment
25:19
Speaker 1: that she'd never see her daughter Molly. Ever. Again, Molly
25:24
Speaker 1: could be very shy and she could be very silly.
25:27
Speaker 1: There was two sides of her in her comfort zone.
25:30
Speaker 1: She was silly like Lucy, I mean, goofy silly. We
25:35
Speaker 1: were just beginning our adult relationship when Molly disappeared, so
25:39
Speaker 1: I often wonder what that would have been like to
25:41
Speaker 1: have known her as an adult with me. Is Maggie Bish,
25:46
Speaker 1: This is Molly Bish's mother. Molly goes missing one warm
25:52
Speaker 1: June morning, two the search still on from My Life's Killer.
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Speaker 1: And I'm trying to imagine your your v you know,
26:06
Speaker 1: you pull up and you at a distance see all
26:10
Speaker 1: these guys and suits and your driveway, and I'm trying
26:13
Speaker 1: to imagine what, Maggie, what that What that was? When
26:19
Speaker 1: press a van pulls up and they run up what
26:23
Speaker 1: what did they have a picture of her swimsuit? Maggie, Well,
26:26
Speaker 1: you know what I guess this. Like I said, this
26:29
Speaker 1: person didn't believe it. So they had six TVs going on.
26:33
Speaker 1: There were six TVs in that van, and there was
26:35
Speaker 1: every vantage point that they could take the picture. I
26:38
Speaker 1: mean it truly was a small piece of bathing suit
26:41
Speaker 1: that was peeking count from underneath twigs and old leaves,
26:47
Speaker 1: and it was just taking in different rooms views and
26:52
Speaker 1: I mean it didn't take me a second to gather
26:55
Speaker 1: that information, you know, men, no seconds. Tonight. I ran
26:59
Speaker 1: up upstairs because I knew that closed my door in
27:02
Speaker 1: my room and I began to howl. I was on
27:05
Speaker 1: my knees, and you know, John was down there talking
27:08
Speaker 1: and I just like for this the ending, because again
27:11
Speaker 1: we had justted missing Children's Day for the folks from Massachusetts.
27:15
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful day of great We were coming
27:17
Speaker 1: home feeling at least we're doing something positive, and you know,
27:21
Speaker 1: we always will miss Molly, that's what we But to
27:24
Speaker 1: see this was it was too close to knowing that
27:28
Speaker 1: this was not good. When we talk about violent crime,
27:31
Speaker 1: it's almost as if we're drinking from a fire hydrant.
27:33
Speaker 1: It's just too much, too fast, too furious. If you
27:37
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27:54
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27:59
Speaker 1: How does such a horrific crime even occur? More questions
28:03
Speaker 1: than answers. It's a case that has captured national headlines,
28:06
Speaker 1: taken over social media, and has now left and is
28:10
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Speaker 1: with Me is Maggie Bish. This is Molly Bish's mother.
28:41
Speaker 1: Molly goes missing one warm June morning, two thousand. The
28:51
Speaker 1: search still on for Molly's killer. We are now hearing
28:57
Speaker 1: rumblings that do d N a d ox riba nicle
29:02
Speaker 1: like acid tests are storrying little seeds of hope. But
29:10
Speaker 1: what do you know about a potential DNA test? You
29:14
Speaker 1: want to talk. Sure, I UM have been sort of
29:18
Speaker 1: headlining the investigative efforts with for my family. But about
29:24
Speaker 1: a year ago they took and every so often they'll
29:28
Speaker 1: take pieces of evidence and and submit them for DNA
29:32
Speaker 1: testing and they'll try to compare it when they have
29:35
Speaker 1: a few years ago, they had a really I don't
29:38
Speaker 1: quote unquote good person of interest UM down in Florida
29:42
Speaker 1: and they you know, had taken some DNA from there
29:45
Speaker 1: and submitted it and then nothing was sort of a hit. UM.
29:49
Speaker 1: So as so I guess our hope sort of lies
29:52
Speaker 1: in the science and technology that you know, sort of
29:56
Speaker 1: helping investigators solve these older cases. And UM. So last
30:02
Speaker 1: year they took twenty four pieces of evidence UM to
30:06
Speaker 1: retest and so they don't exactly tell us what what
30:10
Speaker 1: they took or where it came from, but we know
30:12
Speaker 1: it was twenty four pieces of evidence UM and they
30:15
Speaker 1: resubmitted them for further testing. You know, as they, like
30:19
Speaker 1: I said, that the technology increases in the touch DNA
30:23
Speaker 1: becomes available, UM, they will continuously keep keep resubmitting for
30:30
Speaker 1: particularly these older cases because they've had they've been able
30:34
Speaker 1: to UM you know self cases based on this DNA.
30:37
Speaker 1: I mean The seeds of hope are that DNA samples
30:45
Speaker 1: have been taken and they're being re examined with new
30:48
Speaker 1: techniques that were not possible at that time. I mean
30:52
Speaker 1: that is a huge, big deal because I at all
30:55
Speaker 1: trying rape cases, murder cases, you name it, with no O,
31:00
Speaker 1: d N A, you know what I'd have. I'd have blood,
31:04
Speaker 1: blood sample and I could say, well, the suspect is
31:07
Speaker 1: a positive and the perpetrator was a positive. That was it.
31:12
Speaker 1: Or maybe a hair and I could say the rapist
31:18
Speaker 1: or the killer is a Caucasian male with ex hair.
31:23
Speaker 1: I mean, that was it. There was no nuclear or
31:26
Speaker 1: mitochondrial touch nothing. So this is a major development that
31:33
Speaker 1: they are doing this. I want to ask you about
31:36
Speaker 1: this UM deep ground sonar test that's being done. What
31:44
Speaker 1: do we know about that? Yeah, so we you know,
31:48
Speaker 1: over the years, we've you know, because law enforcement is uh,
31:52
Speaker 1: you know, they sort of work on their own and
31:54
Speaker 1: and and you know, they don't necessarily report to victim families.
31:58
Speaker 1: That can become very frustrating from victor families. UM And
32:03
Speaker 1: because we you know, I felt very strongly that we
32:07
Speaker 1: wanted this to be solved. We wanted our community to
32:09
Speaker 1: feel safe. We wanted our friends kids to feel safe.
32:12
Speaker 1: You know, we've we've all grown up here where you know,
32:15
Speaker 1: and and some capacity family to each other. What do
32:18
Speaker 1: you think they hope to find heather with a ground
32:22
Speaker 1: penetrating radar and it's on a private property in an
32:28
Speaker 1: undisclosed location in Worcester County? What? What could that mean?
32:33
Speaker 1: What was that where the swimsuit was found, Maggie in
32:36
Speaker 1: Worcester County? No, No, it was where we received it.
32:42
Speaker 1: A So, so I'm just trying to put the back
32:45
Speaker 1: story here. We UM some friends in the area, uh
32:51
Speaker 1: person who has a PhD in criminology, and I sort
32:54
Speaker 1: of formed this sort of investigated team. It kind of
32:57
Speaker 1: came off to our fundraisers and things like that. We
33:00
Speaker 1: developed this little team. This little team developed these UM campaigns.
33:06
Speaker 1: So one year we did UM billboards, another year we
33:09
Speaker 1: did ads. Each time we do one, we do a
33:13
Speaker 1: tip campaign. And so we had a just one Piece
33:15
Speaker 1: campaign because the state police that always said we're one
33:18
Speaker 1: piece away from solving this crime. During our just one
33:21
Speaker 1: Piece campaign, we received a number of tips on a
33:24
Speaker 1: particular person who stayed at this particular campground in Worcester County. UM.
33:31
Speaker 1: This next year we had another campaign. We called it
33:34
Speaker 1: just One Car because we were trying to identify this
33:37
Speaker 1: light car. Was it tied to this person? That the
33:42
Speaker 1: location question? So let me understand, the location is the
33:48
Speaker 1: campground where a potential suspect stayed. Okay, got it. And
33:55
Speaker 1: what do you think, Maggie, they are looking for with
33:59
Speaker 1: the d ground search. Well, I understand that it has
34:04
Speaker 1: the potential to be able to recognize metal or rock
34:09
Speaker 1: or anything, and especially if there was something of some size.
34:14
Speaker 1: You know, bearing a car is quite big. You know,
34:17
Speaker 1: how deep could they go? So this radar has a
34:20
Speaker 1: way to analyze how that the depths and how significant
34:26
Speaker 1: that um, you know, if it's metal or something that
34:30
Speaker 1: you know, I guess that's what they do. They do
34:32
Speaker 1: some kind of a you know, computation and it determines.
34:37
Speaker 1: So from what we understand, there were three places that
34:40
Speaker 1: they felt some interest. Now, you know, again they have
34:46
Speaker 1: to hand that information over to the state police, and
34:49
Speaker 1: the state police have to you know, decide if it's
34:52
Speaker 1: worth digging or going into. Now again, it could be
34:57
Speaker 1: it's like this whole story again. You always get hopeful,
35:01
Speaker 1: but you have to kind of protect yourself from disappointment
35:04
Speaker 1: you've got. You know, you don't really you want it,
35:07
Speaker 1: but you're scared. The emotional battle within is unbelievable because
35:13
Speaker 1: you've been doing this so much long now that you wanted,
35:16
Speaker 1: but we don't get to choose any of it, you know.
35:19
Speaker 1: So it's Maggie that other girls similar in age to
35:29
Speaker 1: Molly also were kidnapped. Yes, we have a girl that
35:34
Speaker 1: was ten years old, a little bit younger, um in Sturbridge,
35:38
Speaker 1: which is a twenty minute uh a distance from our home,
35:43
Speaker 1: and she was taken before Molly, maybe seven years. There
35:47
Speaker 1: had been some cases or maybe even a little older
35:51
Speaker 1: that we're in northern Michigan and Massachusetts near the New
35:55
Speaker 1: York border, and there was a gentleman that they thought
35:58
Speaker 1: was a serial killer there that might have that involved.
36:03
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's so sad. I mean, you
36:06
Speaker 1: hear these horrible cases, but you don't understand them. And
36:10
Speaker 1: certainly I wasn't one that you know, really understood any
36:15
Speaker 1: of this. You know, now I know all these families
36:18
Speaker 1: who have struggled and who keep struggling, you know, to
36:22
Speaker 1: find their loved ones on how they deal with it,
36:25
Speaker 1: and it is very very hard. So you know, again
36:29
Speaker 1: there possibly could be serial killer out there, and that's
36:33
Speaker 1: what worried us because this to me, honestly, Nancy, how
36:37
Speaker 1: does a normal person do something this horrific? And that
36:41
Speaker 1: is so It's like when you throw the rock into
36:44
Speaker 1: the river and the ripples. It has caused so much
36:47
Speaker 1: pain to Molly's friends, our family, out into the community,
36:51
Speaker 1: the fear that he's somewhere. Please write this number down
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Speaker 1: eight seven seven two nine eight five one toll free
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Speaker 1: eight seven seven to nine eight five one five five
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Speaker 1: one day this case will be solved. Molly bish still
37:19
Speaker 1: on our minds, still in our hearts. Maggie Heather, thank you, guys,
37:29
Speaker 1: thank you. I can't thank you enough. And you will
37:33
Speaker 1: always be one of my most special people in the world.
37:36
Speaker 1: And I appreciate it so much and and you're helping
37:40
Speaker 1: so many people and you're still continuing. And from my Molly,
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Speaker 1: we thank you with all our Nancy Grace crib Story
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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend.