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  Speaker 1: Prime Time opinion on skying Inzoskroja starts now love from
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  Speaker 1: the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: The cost of living crisis and confirmation that another interest
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  Speaker 3: rate rise is just around the corner. President Joe Biden
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  Speaker 3: spends a few minutes reading a teleprompter in a show
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  Speaker 3: of defiance. That is bad news for democracy in the
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  Speaker 3: United States. The Albanese labor government legislates to abolish the
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  Speaker 3: live sheep export trade.
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  Speaker 2: What are we doing to ourselves? And how about this?
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  Speaker 3: With immigration out of control, we need to build a
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  Speaker 3: new house every two minutes in this country. Joining me tonight,
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  Speaker 3: Adam Crichton, Zoe Mackenzie, Tim Blair, Susy O'Brien, and Stephen
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  Speaker 3: Senna Tiempe.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe the airbus elbow tag is starting to hit home.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe Anthony Albanezi knows he needs to stay at home
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  Speaker 3: and focus on the cost of living with an eye
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  Speaker 3: to an election later this year. Maybe after all his
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  Speaker 3: grand standing over Julian Osangje, it's embarrassing for the Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister to confront the Americans, But whatever it is, it's
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  Speaker 3: unusual that the Prime minister is skipping a NATO summit
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  Speaker 3: in Washington next week. Look, we're not a NATO country
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  Speaker 3: and ordinarily you wouldn't expect prime ministers to go to
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  Speaker 3: NATO summits, but we're involved in helping Ukraine now with
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  Speaker 3: NATO nations. Albo has been to the last couple of
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  Speaker 3: summits and this one is in the US, hosted by
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  Speaker 3: our key ally, So it's an interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Skip by the PM.
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  Speaker 3: No doubt he needs to focus on the domestic economy.
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  Speaker 3: The minutes from the Reserve Banks meeting two weeks ago
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  Speaker 3: where they discussed increasing interest rates but kept them on hold,
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  Speaker 3: those minutes were released today and they all but confirm
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  Speaker 3: we're heading for a rate rise soon because the minutes
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  Speaker 3: record that members acknowledge that if inflation expectations were to
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  Speaker 3: rise materially from current levels, it could require significantly higher
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  Speaker 3: interest rates to bring inflation back to target, with adverse
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  Speaker 3: implications for growth in output and employment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a rate rise.
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  Speaker 3: Would see people lose their jobs and possibly push us
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  Speaker 3: into recession. We're already in a per capita recession, as
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  Speaker 3: you well know.
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  Speaker 2: But the key point.
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  Speaker 3: Is that just days after those minutes were recorded, we
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  Speaker 3: got that shock inflation news. The annual rate jumped from
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  Speaker 3: three point six percent to four percent, so inflation expectations
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  Speaker 3: did rise, and on their own logic, the RBA is
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  Speaker 3: headed for a rake hike. So little wonder it was
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  Speaker 3: the lead item in question time today. What assurance can
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  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister to give Australian families that there won't
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  Speaker 3: be a thirteenth rate rise under Labour's watch.
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  Speaker 4: They always miss out the fact that interest rates started
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  Speaker 4: rise on their watch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so watch this space.
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  Speaker 3: There was plenty else happening in Canberra today, the Coalition
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  Speaker 3: deciding to push for divestiture powers over the major supermarkets,
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  Speaker 3: Labor wrestling with the rogue senator Fatima payment and sounding
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  Speaker 3: the death knell for the live sheep export trade. But
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  Speaker 3: all in all, the real political debate in the community
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  Speaker 3: comes back to cost of living.
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  Speaker 5: We understand the pressures that people are under. More than that,
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  Speaker 5: we are responding to them. We are acting on them.
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  Speaker 3: Which is pretty much what Labor was telling us two
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  Speaker 3: years ago.
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  Speaker 4: We will put in place mechanisms that provide cost of
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  Speaker 4: living relief.
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  Speaker 6: Under Labor, you'll have a government which cares about cost
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  Speaker 6: of living and has plans.
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  Speaker 4: To deal with it build people's living standards up, a
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  Speaker 4: better future with real plans to addresses the cost of living.
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  Speaker 6: And to ease the pressure that too many Australians are feeling.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, check it out.
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  Speaker 3: The way things are going this the central theme of
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  Speaker 3: the upcoming election campaign will be exactly the same as
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  Speaker 3: last time. Labor promised to get interest rates down and
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  Speaker 3: they promised to lower the cost of living, having failed
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  Speaker 3: to do that. In fact, having overseen the situation getting
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  Speaker 3: far worse on those fronts, Labor is effectively going to say,
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  Speaker 3: give us another go at getting interest rates down and
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  Speaker 3: reducing your cost of living.
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  Speaker 2: Inspiring, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: The bad news for representative democracy, the bad news for
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  Speaker 3: the United States, and the bad news for the free
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  Speaker 3: world today is not the US Supreme Court ruling in
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  Speaker 3: Washington on presidential immunity, but the reaction of the President,
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  Speaker 3: Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 2: The Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 3: Ruling, in a majority decision was good for Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 3: to be sure, because it makes it much less likely
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  Speaker 3: that he'll face criminal prosecution over disputing the election results
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  Speaker 3: or alleged inciting riots at Capitol Hill on January the sixth,
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. But the hysterical reaction from the usual
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  Speaker 3: coalition of Democrats, media commentators, and activists is wrong. This
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  Speaker 3: isn't a threat to democracy. This decision actually elevates democracy.
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  Speaker 3: It helps to ensure that presidents are answerable to political
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  Speaker 3: processes and held accountable at elections, rather than having them
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  Speaker 3: thwarted by allegations of criminality and the sort of law
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  Speaker 3: fare we've seen weaponized against Trump in recent years.
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  Speaker 2: So I reckon that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 3: As I've argued all along, and I'm no Trump fan,
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  Speaker 3: the way to defeat Trump has to be through political
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  Speaker 3: debate and the ballot box, not by running wildly exaggerated
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  Speaker 3: claims against him and cooking up legal action.
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  Speaker 2: Still, that's not the way the Democrats see it.
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  Speaker 7: This nation was found on the principle if there are
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  Speaker 7: no kings in America, each each of us is equal
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  Speaker 7: before the law.
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  Speaker 2: No one, no one is.
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  Speaker 7: Above the law, not even the President of the United States.
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  Speaker 7: Today's Supreme Court decision and presidential immunity that fundamentally changed
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  Speaker 7: for all practical purposes. Today's decision almost certainly means that
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  Speaker 7: there are virtually no limits what a president can do.
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  Speaker 7: This is a fundamentally new principle, and it's a dangerous precedent.
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  Speaker 2: That's absolute rubbish.
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  Speaker 3: Presidents as always will be constrained by political processes in
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  Speaker 3: their official duties, and if they do anything criminal outside
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  Speaker 3: their official duties, they're not immune from any prosecution. So
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  Speaker 3: this is what I mean by the bad news being
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  Speaker 3: the president's reaction today. Once again, he's exaggerating. Once again,
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  Speaker 3: he's attempting to create an inflection point where the decision
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  Speaker 3: isn't between two political parties, That election decision isn't between
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  Speaker 3: two political parties or two political candidates. Biden always tries
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  Speaker 3: to pretend it's a choice between him and the very
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  Speaker 3: future of democracy. This false binary is reckless. The Democrats
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  Speaker 3: in Biden continued to divide the nation by insisting that
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  Speaker 3: anyone who doesn't support them really doesn't support democracy. They
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  Speaker 3: conveniently forget how they said Donald Trump was an illegitimate
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  Speaker 3: president and how they called on people to join the
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  Speaker 3: resistance against him. Biden now says the Supreme Court is
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  Speaker 3: denying justice against Trump.
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  Speaker 7: A public has a right to know the answer. But
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  Speaker 7: what happened on January sixth before they asked to vote
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  Speaker 7: again this year? Now, because of today's decision that is
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  Speaker 7: highly highly unlikely. It's a terrible disservice to the people
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  Speaker 7: of this nation.
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  Speaker 3: This is dangerous invective if the Supreme Court ruling should
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  Speaker 3: be respected. After all, at stake here is the very
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  Speaker 3: principle of the separation of powers. The judiciary has played
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  Speaker 3: its role, the executive has its role to play. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: as the president now realizes the power will be left
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  Speaker 3: in the hands of the people.
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  Speaker 7: The American people must decide if Trump's embrace of violence
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  Speaker 7: to preserve his power is acceptable. Perhaps most importantly, American
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  Speaker 7: people must decide they want to entrust the president once again,
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  Speaker 7: the presidency to Donald Trump, now knowing he'll even more
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  Speaker 7: emboldan to do whatever he pleases whenever he wants to
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  Speaker 7: do it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, sure, it is up to the people. That's
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  Speaker 2: exactly the point. That's exactly as it should be.
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  Speaker 3: It shouldn't be up to prosecutors and judges and legal
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  Speaker 3: action initiated by Democrats to decide who will be the
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  Speaker 3: next president. It should be up to voters, and it
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  Speaker 3: will be up to voters. And this is where the
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  Speaker 3: American democracy is being let down so badly by Joe Biden, because,
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  Speaker 3: as it stands. It's hardly a fair contest. Trump is
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  Speaker 3: wildly energetic and ambitious, and he's up against an incumbent
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  Speaker 3: president who is mentally and physically feeble.
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  Speaker 8: Making sure that we continue to supreme strength in our
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  Speaker 8: healthcare system, making sure that we're able to make every
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  Speaker 8: single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to
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  Speaker 8: do with the with the COVID, I could be with
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  Speaker 8: dealing with everything we have to do with.
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  Speaker 7: Look if we finally beat Medicare, thank you, President by Biden.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the president just five days ago.
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  Speaker 3: And today, instead of pulling out of the race, Biden
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  Speaker 3: has fronted up at the White House and used this
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  Speaker 3: Supreme Court decision to try to pretend he's still capable
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  Speaker 3: and competent. The President called a late media conference for
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  Speaker 3: just before eight o'clock Monday night, Washington time. He read
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  Speaker 3: his statement from a teleprompter. His scripted address lasted less
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  Speaker 3: than five minutes, and then he walked away without answering questions.
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  Speaker 7: May God bless you all, May God help preserve our democracy.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you, Make God protect your chance.
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  Speaker 2: Why why is he so confident you should need a president? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: That was it?
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  Speaker 3: So much for presidential accountability. This looks like a cheap
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  Speaker 3: soap opera.
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  Speaker 9: Joe Biden, after cannon bawling into an empty swimming pool
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  Speaker 9: on Thursday night, came out to night and spoke for
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  Speaker 9: four minutes off of the teleprompter. He's good for four
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  Speaker 9: minutes today, as long as somebody else wrote it. After
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  Speaker 9: having this completely tone deaf sort of announcement coming out
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  Speaker 9: of this meeting that he wrote about with his family
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  Speaker 9: this weekend, where his son, the notorious influence peddler and
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  Speaker 9: crack attic hunter, Biden says, you got to keep going. Also,
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  Speaker 9: they were hanging out with any Liebowitch, the photographer, which
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  Speaker 9: I wasn't even aware she was taking mugshots. Now that
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  Speaker 9: this entire thing since Thursday has been one tone deaf
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  Speaker 9: political disaster after another.
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  Speaker 2: It's bizarre, all right.
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  Speaker 3: But sadly, all this suggests that Biden is digging in.
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  Speaker 3: He tried to deliver a firm statement to voters and
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  Speaker 3: move on from the debate disaster. It might be easy
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  Speaker 3: for Biden to forget it's probably lost on him already,
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  Speaker 3: but the rest of us can't forget it. What America needs,
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  Speaker 3: more than anything else, is a proper contest for the
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  Speaker 3: White House a viable option rather than a bewildered commander
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  Speaker 3: in Chief growing vague and weak in the Oval Office. Ominously.
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  Speaker 3: We've also heard from the First Lady. Jill Biden is
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  Speaker 3: on the cover of Vogue magazine and has given a
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  Speaker 3: defiant interview summarized as we will decide our future, which
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  Speaker 3: is pretty belligerent and pretty selfish when you think about it,
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  Speaker 3: because it's not just the Biden's future at stake, it's
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  Speaker 3: the future of the country. Some wags have fiddled with
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  Speaker 3: the cover, referring to Nurse Jill Biden and saying Joe
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  Speaker 3: will run and he will like it, ventilating the view
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  Speaker 3: that the First Lady is pushing hardest for Biden to
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  Speaker 3: run again, and the Nurse Jill Biden image immediately conjures
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  Speaker 3: up the unflinching and unnerving character of Nurse Ratchet in
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  Speaker 3: one flew over the Cooki's nest.
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  Speaker 5: Would you please turn this? Would you please turn the
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  Speaker 5: television set on? With the Chief has got his hand up.
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  Speaker 3: Right there, the Chief voted, now, will you please turn
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  Speaker 3: the television set on?
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  Speaker 5: Mister McMurphy.
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  Speaker 10: The meeting was adjourn and the vote was closed, but the.
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  Speaker 2: Volte was ten to eight.
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  Speaker 5: The chief he's got his hand up. Look no, mister McMurphy.
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  Speaker 11: When the meeting was adjourned, the vote was nine to nine.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Nurse Ratchet was in charge, as it seems, is Jill
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  Speaker 3: Biden right now. But she's not overseeing a home for
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  Speaker 3: the mentally ill. She's helping to shape the future of
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  Speaker 3: the White House. The central question being the extent to
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  Speaker 3: which they have become one and the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Now, one other thing before we go on.
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  Speaker 3: Those idiotic protesters are still stopping coal tranes out of
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  Speaker 3: the New South Wales port of Newcastle, deliberately disrupting exports,
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  Speaker 3: costing people money.
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  Speaker 2: Selfish fools all of them. Of course, a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: Them seem to be retiree is looking for a hobby.
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  Speaker 3: But have a look at this one.
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  Speaker 12: We are in a climate crisis every day. Hang on,
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  Speaker 12: I just have to have a little break and make
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  Speaker 12: sure this phone is charged.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, even climate protesters need a bit of electricity every
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  Speaker 3: now and then to.
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  Speaker 2: Broadcast their stunts.
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  Speaker 3: And of course when they recharge those phones, where do
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  Speaker 3: they get the power from? Cole of course, about eighty
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  Speaker 3: percent of the power in New South Wales today came
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  Speaker 3: from Coal. I'll have more on this later with Tim Blair.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to Canberra now and catch up with Susan McDonald.
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  Speaker 3: She's the Shadow Resources minister. Thanks for joining us, Susan.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to get your thoughts first up on the
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  Speaker 3: legislation passing to ban the live sheep export trade. It's
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  Speaker 3: not a huge trade, but it's very important for those people.
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  Speaker 2: Involved in it.
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  Speaker 3: And when are we doing it so well as a
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  Speaker 3: country that we can afford to actually just legislate away
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  Speaker 3: an export industry.
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  Speaker 10: That's exactly right, Chris.
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  Speaker 13: So the shutdown of the live sheep trade out of
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  Speaker 13: WA jeopardizes the entire sheep business.
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  Speaker 10: So we've had this.
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  Speaker 13: Week shearers, truck drivers, sheep producers, even sheep processes because
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  Speaker 13: they all understand that live export trade is part of
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  Speaker 13: a whole successful industry. I had a vet say to me,
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  Speaker 13: I came over ready to talk about our animal welfare improvements,
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  Speaker 13: why this is a great industry, but the government just
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  Speaker 13: wasn't interested and they're not interested in what real outcomes
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  Speaker 13: are for farmers in Western Australia and right across the country.
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  Speaker 13: And I think that's why this is so powerful this
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  Speaker 13: Keep the Sheep movement is because farmers right across Australia
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  Speaker 13: are saying government is driving up input costs. They're not
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  Speaker 13: protecting them from supermarkets. They are just leaving farmers and
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  Speaker 13: farming out to dry. So I think that the keep
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  Speaker 13: the Sheep program is really important.
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  Speaker 2: Chris, Look, it's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, sheep are transported around on trucks to Advertoise
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  Speaker 3: every day in this country and we reckon. It's too
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  Speaker 3: much to put them on a sheep on a ship,
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  Speaker 3: and of course we have the best animal welfare standards
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  Speaker 3: you'd expect in the country.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to Pauline Hanson on this issue.
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  Speaker 14: I'm sure mckim's had a piece of pork in his mouth,
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  Speaker 14: or he's had some goat, or he's had some cattle
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  Speaker 14: or a steak at some time in his life. Now
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  Speaker 14: he's denying the fact of sheep, talking as if they
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  Speaker 14: know they're human beings. They're not human beings. It is
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  Speaker 14: a food source and necessary food sauce because I'm, for one,
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  Speaker 14: I don't want to spend the rest of my life
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  Speaker 14: eating bloody bugs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, said Pauline Hanson.
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  Speaker 3: Now this legislation sees the industry out by twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 2: If the Coalition.
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  Speaker 3: Returns to government, will you reinstate the industry. How much
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  Speaker 3: damage could be done in the interim.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, well, we absolutely have committed to restarting the live
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  Speaker 13: export trade for sheep out of Western Australia. But not
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  Speaker 13: just that, Chris, because it underlines the support that we
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  Speaker 13: have for the sheep industry in Western Australia more broadly.
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  Speaker 13: So this is an important decision. There will be damage done,
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  Speaker 13: and we are saying to sheep producers, stay confident, stay strong.
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  Speaker 13: They will be campaigning at the next election to change
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  Speaker 13: change the government, particularly in Western Australia. We're going to
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  Speaker 13: watch that with interest and support them.
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  Speaker 3: However, we can now just quickly on your area. When
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  Speaker 3: it comes to energy and resources. The government has this
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  Speaker 3: capacity Investment Scheme where they hand out money to funder
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  Speaker 3: essentially schemes to bolster our electricity supplies when renewables aren't
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  Speaker 3: supplying it yet gas is excluded.
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  Speaker 2: Surely gas is.
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  Speaker 3: The number one way for this country to firm up
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  Speaker 3: renewable energy.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, that's exactly right. You've already touched on.
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  Speaker 13: Eighty percent of electricity is coming from coal currently, but
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  Speaker 13: the next most important source of electricity is gas. It's reliable,
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  Speaker 13: it's affordable.
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  Speaker 10: And it will reduce emissions.
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  Speaker 13: These are all reasons why the gas industry we should
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  Speaker 13: be encouraging investment. But over the last two years this
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  Speaker 13: labor government has done everything they can to make it
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  Speaker 13: harder to invest in Australia, harder to invest in important
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  Speaker 13: gas projects that give Australians jobs, Australians more taxes and royalties,
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  Speaker 13: and best of all, chris reliable affordable electricity, which apparently
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  Speaker 13: if you listen to the Greens and the cross Bench,
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  Speaker 13: magically grows on trees.
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  Speaker 10: But it is only when we have.
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  Speaker 13: A good base load dispatchable power that we can all
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  Speaker 13: continue to enjoy the lifestyle that we have to get
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  Speaker 13: the lights on in hospitals, keep important medical service is
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  Speaker 13: going crazy. Stuff manufacturing jobs going, Chris, manufacturing jobs.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Susan.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate it, Susan McDonald, they're the shadow of Resources Minister.
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  Speaker 2: What sort of a country are we?
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  Speaker 3: We have an export industry sending off live sheep to
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  Speaker 3: people who need the sheep to feed their.
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  Speaker 2: People, and we just cut it off. And now we
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  Speaker 2: have affordable, reliable energy.
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  Speaker 3: We decide we don't need that either national self harm
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  Speaker 3: at every term.
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  Speaker 2: But let me go.
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  Speaker 3: Back to the United States now and this very important
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  Speaker 3: Supreme Court decision that I mentioned earlier, and I spoke
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  Speaker 3: to Adam Crichton a little earlier before coming on here.
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  Speaker 3: He's the Australian's Washington correspondent. I wanted to get his
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  Speaker 3: take on what all this means.
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  Speaker 15: Well, look at a fairly arcane decision, and it was
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  Speaker 15: somewhat a surprise. Essentially, the Supreme Court has said that
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  Speaker 15: their interpretation of the Constitution and the law is that
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  Speaker 15: the president and that's of course the regardless of who
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  Speaker 15: the president is, not just Donald Trump, could be any
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  Speaker 15: president is effectively immune from criminal prosecution for their official acts,
• 20:00
  Speaker 15: so that entails things such as foreign policy, national security,
• 20:03
  Speaker 15: cabinet appointments, all sorts of other appointments. And the court
• 20:07
  Speaker 15: said though that the non official acts of the president
• 20:10
  Speaker 15: are not immune from prosecution, so that could be related
• 20:12
  Speaker 15: to campaign events or anything related to the political party
• 20:16
  Speaker 15: that they represent. There's been a huge amount of hysterical
• 20:20
  Speaker 15: reaction over here saying that this decision means that the
• 20:23
  Speaker 15: president can shoot people assassinate people.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: You know, that's really ridiculous stuff.
• 20:28
  Speaker 15: And I think that that's more colored by the fact
• 20:30
  Speaker 15: that Democrats are furious that the practical import of this
• 20:33
  Speaker 15: decision means that the various federal charges against Donald Trump
• 20:38
  Speaker 15: won't be able to proceed before November.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: As you say, the Democrat reaction has been hysterical, as
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: almost as if they're suggesting that democracy is being overturned,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: whereas I think you can interpret this is the opposite. Really,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: this is the same Supreme Court saying democracy should hold precedents,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: democratic processes should hold precedents over the sort of law
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: fare that we've been seeing.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, look, that's exactly right.
• 21:03
  Speaker 15: The impeachment process of any president, of course is still
• 21:07
  Speaker 15: in place, so that's very much a political process. But
• 21:09
  Speaker 15: of course there's also the electoral sit well too. Every
• 21:11
  Speaker 15: four years, the voters get to give their verdict. So
• 21:14
  Speaker 15: I think these far fetched scenarios about having Americans killed
• 21:17
  Speaker 15: and are completely ridiculous. And you know, the you know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 15: the biggest thing he really I'm for Democrats at the moment, frankly,
• 21:25
  Speaker 15: is not the court decision so much.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: It's the state of the current president.
• 21:29
  Speaker 15: Joe Biden and I thought it was very interesting today,
• 21:31
  Speaker 15: very telling that in his brief press conference about the
• 21:34
  Speaker 15: Scotish decision, he didn't take any questions, which is pretty
• 21:38
  Speaker 15: extraordinary stuff.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Really.
• 21:39
  Speaker 15: Obviously, there were a lot of questions to ask, you know,
• 21:41
  Speaker 15: the main one being are you going to step down?
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: Are you going to step aside?
• 21:45
  Speaker 15: But he didn't even take those questions, which I think
• 21:47
  Speaker 15: is you know, is somewhat telling.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: The telling thing here was that Joe Biden has used
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: this as an opportunity to look presidential, have something to say,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: but it was tightly scripted on AUTOQ, no questions, and
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: off he went. Let's have a look at some of
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: that here he is talking about the decision.
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: Really four years ago, my predecessor send a violent mob
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: to the US Capitol to stop the peaceful transfer of power.
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: We all saw with our own eyes. We sat there
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: and watch it happen that day, attack on the police,
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: the ransacking of the capitol.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a tired old line, Adam, This idea that
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump said a violent mob to the Capitol. I mean,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: there's just no evidence, is there. They're being misleading? Hey,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump said the one of the peaceful protests.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, no, look, that's exactly right. And you know,
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: the further this event moves into the rearview.
• 22:44
  Speaker 15: Mirror, you know, the more and more statements like that
• 22:46
  Speaker 15: people can get away with because people are just forgetting
• 22:48
  Speaker 15: what actually happened.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: They can't remember the facts of the day.
• 22:50
  Speaker 15: And as you point out, I mean, you know, he
• 22:52
  Speaker 15: did not send those people to the capitol.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: That is just absurd. I mean, it's just factually incorrect.
• 22:57
  Speaker 15: I mean, look, he may have done wrong things in
• 22:59
  Speaker 15: relation to try to subvert the election. That's you know,
• 23:03
  Speaker 15: I think that's you know, that's up in the air.
• 23:05
  Speaker 15: I don't have a strong view on that. It's very technical,
• 23:06
  Speaker 15: it's very complicated. But I mean, as for this blatant
• 23:10
  Speaker 15: lie that you know that he orchestrated that, right, that's absurd.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: I'm very critical of Donald Trump for not conceding the defeat.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: I think democracy hinges on the loser's consent, But that
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean you can pin that riot and violent behavior
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: on him.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: It seems absurd.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Let's get us some more of what Joe Biden had
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: to say, because this is where he says, effectively, the.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Courts aren't going to do it for us.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: It's up to the American people and democracy to make
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: this choice.
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: American people must decide they want to entrust the president
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: once again, the presidency to Donald Trump now knowing he'll
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: even more emboland to do whatever he pleases whenever he
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: wants to do it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Adam, to me, this is I mean, this is
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: where it always should have been, right.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I know you've been saying the same.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: The Democrats to defeat Donald Trump should be looking at
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: democratic processes and the election to do that rather than
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: legal processes. And it seems that this decision is forced
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: the Democrats to actually confront that reality. But more than that, surely,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: if Joe Biden thinks Donald Trump is such a threat
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: to democracy, then the most important thing he could do
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: is stand down, say he won't recontest and let the
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Democrats run a decent candidate.
• 24:25
  Speaker 15: Well, you know that is probably true, although you know,
• 24:28
  Speaker 15: the logistics of changing candidates now, I must say, are
• 24:31
  Speaker 15: very difficult for the Democrats. I mean, the main one,
• 24:33
  Speaker 15: you know, from my point of view, is the fact
• 24:35
  Speaker 15: that you know, the Biden Harris campaigns raised something like
• 24:38
  Speaker 15: two hundred million dollars and legally there is no way
• 24:41
  Speaker 15: to give that money to any other candidate except for
• 24:43
  Speaker 15: Kamala Harris. So so really, if he does stand aside,
• 24:47
  Speaker 15: the only person, the only candidate that they'll have really
• 24:50
  Speaker 15: is Kamala Harris. And it may well be that that's
• 24:52
  Speaker 15: what they end up with. I mean, it's quite possible
• 24:54
  Speaker 15: that Joe Biden's decline accelerates in the next few months
• 24:56
  Speaker 15: and they just absolutely have to get rid of him
• 24:59
  Speaker 15: for Harris.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: But you know, these.
• 25:00
  Speaker 15: Ideas of California's governor or miss Michigan's governor stepping in,
• 25:04
  Speaker 15: you know, I think this is fairly fanciful.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: And you know, just back to your first point, I mean,
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: you're quite right.
• 25:09
  Speaker 15: Joe Biden's remarks just earlier underscored the fact that there's
• 25:13
  Speaker 15: still very much a democratic check on presidents in the US,
• 25:16
  Speaker 15: regardless of what the Supreme Court says. And just finally
• 25:19
  Speaker 15: on the court case, I mean, it's really not as
• 25:22
  Speaker 15: revolutionary as people are saying. I mean, there was a
• 25:24
  Speaker 15: nineteen eighty two court case are related to Richard Nixon,
• 25:27
  Speaker 15: where the Supreme Court said that the president was completely
• 25:30
  Speaker 15: immune from civil suits, and so really this is just
• 25:34
  Speaker 15: this is just taking that one step further to the
• 25:36
  Speaker 15: criminal side of things.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Great to get your analysis out and thanks so much
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: for joining us. Thanks Chris, President Harris, surely not. We've
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: got to take a break. On the other side of it.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I'll catch up with Suzi O'Brien and Stephen Senna Tiempi.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about industry groups.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Warning we need to build a new home every two
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: minutes if we're going to accommodate the number of people
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: coming into this country at the moment. On Tuesdays we
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: get Souzi O'Brien and Steven Senna Teampo to help us out.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Susi's with the Herald Son in Melbourne and Stephen hosts
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: of breakfast at two Double C in the nation's capital.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Great to talk to both of you again. Looks immigration
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: issues huge for this country. Population growth that we're seeing.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: We keep coming back to it all the time, Susie.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: But these these numbers from the industry group showing we
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: actually need a new house every two minutes, and obviously
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: we're not building anywhere near that number of houses, shows
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: what sort of a problem we got in our hands.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:39
  Speaker 16: Absolutely, I mean Ourbernezi has come out and said over
• 26:41
  Speaker 16: five years they're going to build a million houses, but
• 26:44
  Speaker 16: you know, where are they. We certainly aren't seen anything
• 26:47
  Speaker 16: like that. But I do think that pointing the finger
• 26:51
  Speaker 16: just at migrants is only one part of the issue
• 26:53
  Speaker 16: because a lot of those figures don't take into account
• 26:56
  Speaker 16: the fact that migrants leave and they also do jobs
• 27:00
  Speaker 16: like build those houses that Australians don't always want to do,
• 27:04
  Speaker 16: and they're also a key form of investment in housing.
• 27:07
  Speaker 16: So I think, yes, we need more housing, of course
• 27:10
  Speaker 16: we do, but just pointing the finger at migrants is
• 27:13
  Speaker 16: not the whole issue.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's not about bagging migrants. It's about the
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: migration program and managing it. And as you say, we
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: need skilled migrants to build a lot of these houses.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: But Stephen, the thing is here, we've got three tiers
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: of government involved in this and frankly they all conspire
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: to stuff it up. I mean, just try and get
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: your counsel approval for an extension or to knock down
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: a house and turn it into a duplex or whatever.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: That'll take you two years. And we've really got to
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: get governments out of the way.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Rather than labor governments saying they're going to spend taxpayers
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: money to somehow build these houses. Well, that's a way
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: to guarantee it'll take twice as long.
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, And you know, I mean you would like to
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: think that it's easier now with world to wall labor governments,
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: But just on the issue of immigration, that's the only
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: thing that can be managed. So I mean, you've got
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: to be fair income about it. If you want to
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: slow population growth, immigration is the only way to actually
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: do that at the moment. But when you talk about
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: the immigrants are the ones building their houses, they're not.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: We're not bringing the right skills in to manage a
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: housing crisis that we've got. That's the problem. But I
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: think it needs to take something innovative. Simon Kennedy, the
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: new member for Cook came up with a great idea
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: and he's made in speech, and that is dangle funding
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: over local government and state governments and say, look, you
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: want the money for this particular project, build the houses.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, fair enough. Local government's a big handbrake on
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: this massively. I want to go to another hangover gets
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: to the liveliness, I suppose the viability of our cities
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: and Susie, this is the fact that people are.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Just not turning up at work anymore.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: You know, there's no need to work from home anymore,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: but a lot of people still want to work from home.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of major companies have got rules
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: in place.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: They're essentially say, turn up fifty percent of the time,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: like one week on, one week off, or two or
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: three days a week, and this is killing the cities
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: and the small businesses in them.
• 29:00
  Speaker 10: Well.
• 29:00
  Speaker 16: It reminds me of being an art student at Adelaide
• 29:02
  Speaker 16: Union in the nineteen eighties. I had a four day
• 29:04
  Speaker 16: weekend every weekend.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: It was brilliant.
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: That's what people are doing now.
• 29:09
  Speaker 16: Cities like Melbourne and Sydney are half of the people
• 29:13
  Speaker 16: that used to come into the city are now coming,
• 29:16
  Speaker 16: particularly on Mondays and Fridays, so we've got much more
• 29:19
  Speaker 16: normal kind of flows eighty ninety percent in the middle
• 29:22
  Speaker 16: of the week Monday and Friday. Like it's even got
• 29:24
  Speaker 16: to the point where it's changing the traffic flows.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: There's no longer that kind of Friday deadlock.
• 29:29
  Speaker 16: It's all moved to Thursday. So people are spending a
• 29:32
  Speaker 16: lot less money in the city and it's sending a
• 29:35
  Speaker 16: lot of businesses broke. But the big question is where
• 29:37
  Speaker 16: are the public servants way.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: On day back.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're never bag they'll never come back.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: And that's where government leads the way and leads us
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: down a dead end of productivity.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Stephen. It's so noticeable.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: I go to the beach every morning and it's crowded
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Mondays and Fridays, no doubt about that. And the traffic
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: is noticeably heaver heavier on Wednesdays and Thursdays. There's a
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: lot of people having a full day weekend, and you
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: can't convince me that all of them are more productive
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: at home than at work.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: Well, they're not.
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: Here in Canberra, we have a seven day weekend because
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: we have such a high public service component to our
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: employment here, and they've actively been told stay at home,
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: work in your pajamas, and we'll manage the productivity by
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: asking you if you're more productive working from home.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Well, who's going to say no? Exactly.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: On the upside, there's a lot of suburban cafes and
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: whatever they're doing all right, because you go past those
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: joints at sort of eleven o'clock on a Monday and
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: everyone from the neighborhood is hanging around. Now, I want
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: to go to one of these other issues about how
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: the way they're sort of forcing ideology and politics onto
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: our kids.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: And it goes to welcome to country. Now. Now, now
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not against welcome to country.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: I love a welcome to country at the right time
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: and the right place and done in the right way.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: But this idea that little kids apparently are being told.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Every day or at least regularly, to put their hands
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: on the ground and say this always was, always will
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: be aboriginal ground.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Surely, Stephen, this is going way too far. Yeah, I
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: think it.
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: Look, there's no place for political indoctrination in primary schools.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: It's as simple as that.
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: And the very the fact that they're getting them to
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: kneel down, put their hands on the ground and say
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: always was, always will be, the fact that they're there
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: proves that it's not. I mean, it's just extraordinary that
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: we've come this far from something that was supposed to
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: be inclusive that has now just become deliberately divisive. And
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: you know, you go to a function and once upon
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: a time the MC might do a welcome to country
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: at the very beginning. Now every single person has got
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: to get up and outwoke the previous person. But when
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: it goes into schools, and it becomes about indoctrinating the
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: younger generation because hey, this is how we can win
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: this fight.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: It's wrong now that always was, always is doesn't mean
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: it can't be both. I mean, Hularu, of course is indigenous.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: You know that's an indigenous landmark. It's also belongs to
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: the rest of us. This is the point.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: So you've got to learn to share this stuff.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: And it's a great idea if kids at school or
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: even preschool know that the name of the Aboriginal tribe
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: or nation that used to be across these lands and
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: what the language was. Great that they learn all that stuff,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: but don't force among them every day and they're sort
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: of touching the ground as if they're deferring to it
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: and apologizing for their own existence.
• 32:24
  Speaker 16: Yeah, and we did a story just recently about.
• 32:27
  Speaker 14: A school who was.
• 32:30
  Speaker 16: Singing an alternate national anthem and do to Durham from
• 32:34
  Speaker 16: the Seekers some years ago wrote an alternitive set of
• 32:37
  Speaker 16: words and look, it's actually not bad, like it talks
• 32:40
  Speaker 16: about the dreaming and sacred land.
• 32:42
  Speaker 10: It's actually quite a good song.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Like to pass that.
• 32:44
  Speaker 16: Off as the national anthem.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: And this one.
• 32:46
  Speaker 16: Parent was saying, the kids don't actually know that that's
• 32:49
  Speaker 16: not the real national anthem. I think it's the same
• 32:52
  Speaker 16: as the touching touching the ground. Because I agree with you,
• 32:56
  Speaker 16: I think you know, I'm all for reconciliation and all
• 32:59
  Speaker 16: the education about Aboriginal heritage. But when they're kind of
• 33:02
  Speaker 16: being forced to kneel down and touch the grain, it
• 33:05
  Speaker 16: doesn't feel like education.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: It feels like indoctrination.
• 33:08
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I tell we had a look at that song in
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: your Absence the other week, Susie and played a bit
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: of it. And you know the thing is it talks
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: about the dreaming and sacred Now that's religious and spiritual.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I reckon, this is really bad, Stephen.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: If you tried to put Christianity into a national anthem.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: That'd be held to pay. But somehow the dreaming and
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: sacred land is okay.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the abject hypocrisy of it is extraordinary. But
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: it's the impact that it's having on the kids is
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: what I'm really worried about. I mean a story of
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: my nephew when he was at preschool, came home one
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: day and said to my brother Daddy, what did I
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: do wrong to the Aborigines? And he said, what do
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: your meaning? So well, they told me. I've got to
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: say sorry to them. You've got a four year old
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: kid that now thinks he's done something wrong personally. That's
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: what we're doing to our kids, and the psychological damage
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: that doing is horrendous.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Just quickly, Susie, I've got to follow up on one
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: of your columns, and this is on vape shops still
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: selling vape sir Willie Nilly around the place. What is
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: the real problem with vapes? Are they better than what
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: kids used to do with cigarettes?
• 34:10
  Speaker 10: Oh?
• 34:10
  Speaker 16: Look, I mean more kids are vaping than they were
• 34:12
  Speaker 16: ever smoking. I mean these are absolutely terrible and the
• 34:15
  Speaker 16: government's absolutely the government's are right to stop to crack
• 34:19
  Speaker 16: down on kids being able to get the vapes at
• 34:21
  Speaker 16: the seven eleven as they walk past, or any sort of.
• 34:24
  Speaker 10: Little corner store.
• 34:25
  Speaker 16: But the problem with this new band is that no
• 34:27
  Speaker 16: one knows who's supposed to be checking to see whether
• 34:32
  Speaker 16: people are keeping keeping.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: To it or not.
• 34:34
  Speaker 16: We've got the police saying it's a health issue.
• 34:36
  Speaker 10: We've got the.
• 34:38
  Speaker 16: Victorian government saying it's a police is. Meanwhile, vapes are
• 34:42
  Speaker 16: still on side point.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: No one's policing it.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Don't push too hard soon that I'll employ a new
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: health police.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Force and we'll all have to bow to their orders
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Susi o' brien and see Stephen
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: the Senate EMPO really appreciate it.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you again next week.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: We've got to get to a break on the other side,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: the PM rejecting this ination to attend the NATO summit
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: in Washington, DC. Also more on this live Sheep exports
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: ban I'll speak with the founder of Keep the Sheep.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Let's go back down to canber and catch up with
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: the Liberal Member for Flinders, Zoey mackenzie. The wonderful electorate
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: to Flinders takes in the Mornington Peninsula and the like
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: down there southeast of Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Zoe. I want to
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: get your thoughts first up on.
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanese not going to the NATO summit. Now ten
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: fifteen years ago, when I was involved in foreign affairs,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: it wouldn't be expected that a Prime Minister goes to
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: a NATO summit. But we're doing a lot with NATO countries.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: In Ukraine in particular, we've done a lot and other
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: issues as well. And Anthony Albanese, he's been to the
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: last couple of summits. Why wouldn't he go to Washington?
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: I know, like I think he was up to thirty
• 35:52
  Speaker 11: troops by November of last year, right, and now we
• 35:54
  Speaker 11: get to this one. It's in Washington, it's with our
• 35:57
  Speaker 11: orchest partners. You may well have new UK Prime minister,
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: so very important to sit down and talk to him
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: about August and its progress. But importantly, as you say,
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: we are one of the greatest contributors to the Ukraine
• 36:10
  Speaker 11: effort outside of NATO. I was at at her headquarters
• 36:14
  Speaker 11: with Simon Birmingham last year and the gratitude to Australia
• 36:17
  Speaker 11: was paramount. And therefore it's one of the ones that's
• 36:21
  Speaker 11: more obvious than frankly, some of the others that he's
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: done in the last two years. To be there, particularly
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: to potentially meet with a new UK Prime minister.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hadn't thought of that.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: I thought it's always an important, always important to go
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: to Washington and speak to the President and others in
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: the US administration when you can. But yeah, Keirs Starmer's
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: likely to be there as the new labor Prime Minister
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: of the UK, and with August being so important, you
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: would have thought it's a monty to be there. I
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: think he's embarrassed by his amount of travel, or do
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: you think he would be worried about how the Americans
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: might respond to his grandstanding with Julian Assans.
• 36:59
  Speaker 11: Oh, look, I think it's probably more about the crisis
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: that he faces at home. He's got a divided party,
• 37:03
  Speaker 11: he's got a cost of living crisis on a level
• 37:06
  Speaker 11: we have not seen in this country for a long time,
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: as people try and make ends meet over the grocery basket.
• 37:12
  Speaker 11: To be on his plane off to Washington, probably to
• 37:15
  Speaker 11: him feels a bridge too far. But to the rest
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: of US, I think national security, the country's defense, geopolitics
• 37:22
  Speaker 11: where it's at, and of course the possibility of a
• 37:24
  Speaker 11: change of administration in the US at the end of
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: the year, This to me seems one where more likely
• 37:30
  Speaker 11: than not he should be there. He should be their meeting,
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: particularly with the US and the UK, and rebonding those
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: connections for what would be a pretty testing year.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Frankly, yeah, I think it's a fair argument, although I
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: think he's probably looking at trying to go to the
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: polls late November early December, so he probably wants to
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: stay here and try and focus.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: On the cost of living and on that.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: The Reserve Bank minutes that came out today seemed to
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: almost confirm that interest rates are going to go up,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: because they're saying very clearly, if there's any upwood tilts
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: in inflation, that's what they'll need to do and low
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: and behold. A few days later, inflation jumped up again
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: to four.
• 38:09
  Speaker 11: Percent exactly, one of the highest in the Western world.
• 38:13
  Speaker 11: Right core inflation at four point four that's the figure
• 38:15
  Speaker 11: that the RBA looks like they are the only people
• 38:19
  Speaker 11: making an effort to bring it down. Three hundred and
• 38:22
  Speaker 11: fifteen billion dollars in new spending from this government. It's
• 38:27
  Speaker 11: no wonder inflation is racing ahead. People are struggling to
• 38:30
  Speaker 11: make ends meet. We know energies are particularly damning, but
• 38:33
  Speaker 11: insurance seventeen percent, oil, you know at the supermarket twenty
• 38:37
  Speaker 11: eight percent, lollly seventeen percent, takeaway food fifteen percent. It's
• 38:42
  Speaker 11: really hard for people to make ends meet at the moment.
• 38:45
  Speaker 11: And frankly, we keep being told across the Parliament just
• 38:48
  Speaker 11: how good people have got it at the moment. It's extraordinary.
• 38:51
  Speaker 11: So you know, they've got a long way to go
• 38:54
  Speaker 11: in terms of raining in inflation in Australia and it
• 38:59
  Speaker 11: leaves the RBA in the most unenviable position.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Well, as I said at the top of the program,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: they're not going to have to make any new ads
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: for their election campaign because the last election they promised
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: to get interest rates down and the cost of living down,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: and now.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: They're promising the same thing having not done it. It's
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: bizarre with.
• 39:15
  Speaker 11: Some one hundred and seventy five dollars for energy because
• 39:18
  Speaker 11: I'm still waiting for that, and I that was meant
• 39:20
  Speaker 11: to be a resettling of the energy cost. It is
• 39:23
  Speaker 11: so much commercial TV, but the ads are everywhere for
• 39:27
  Speaker 11: what the government's supposedly doing for everyone. So a giant
• 39:30
  Speaker 11: billboard for Pete car Lil on the weekend. You know
• 39:32
  Speaker 11: they're out and about the election.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: It's just it's more for the Australian people. It's groundhog Day.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Zoe, I appreciate it. Zoe McKenzie
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: their Live from Canberra. I want to get back to
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: this sheep export story and as I mentioned earlier, there's
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: been this blow to sheep farmers and the transport industry
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: of course others that rely on it.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: The Live sheep exports.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: By sea as if there's any other way to do
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: it are going to be phased out over the next
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: four years after the law has actually passed through the Senate.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Last night the Agriculture Minister Murray, what.
• 40:03
  Speaker 18: We need to remember that over the last twenty years
• 40:05
  Speaker 18: this industry has been shrinking. It has fallen by ninety
• 40:09
  Speaker 18: percent over the last twenty years, while at the same
• 40:11
  Speaker 18: time we have seen exports of sheep meat that's processed
• 40:14
  Speaker 18: in Australia quadruple. That is where the opportunity is.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: So mate, why ban it if you think it's shrinking
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: and disappearing and other industries arising to take its place.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Leave it alone. He just dismisses the concerns of farmers.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: He couldn't care less. It doesn't affect him. Let's go
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: to Ben Sutherland.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: He's the founder that keep the Sheep and he joins
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: me from Canberra. Thanks for joining us, Ben, you've been
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: in Canberra trying to change everyone's mind.
• 40:40
  Speaker 19: But no luck, Hey, no, no luck this time mate.
• 40:45
  Speaker 19: They gave us a bit of a kicking last night.
• 40:47
  Speaker 19: But do you tell you now we're he going to
• 40:50
  Speaker 19: keep fighting the job.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, now you're in the transport sector, so you know,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: to actually raise the sheep, but til you make your
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: living out of shunting them around. Of course, there's so
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: many other the industries and workers that feed off this
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: export industry. Is murray, what right there to say that
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: the industry is actually already contracted by ninety percent?
• 41:11
  Speaker 19: Well, any industry is going to die when the government's
• 41:13
  Speaker 19: got their foot on it straight, mate, they can't breathe
• 41:15
  Speaker 19: that they're going to keep strangling it.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: But is it ninety percent that has fallen by Oh no,
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: it's no inda like that.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: No, it's a misinformed figures. Now.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: The point is, of course with the live export trader
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: wouldn't survive if there wasn't a market, and there are
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: market says, I understand it, particularly in the Middle East.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: They want live sheep because they want to slaughter them themselves.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: And also it's easier to transport the sheep when they're
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: live for them in the destination countries rather because they
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: can't they don't have the refrigeration and the refrigerated trucks
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: to transport meat.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Is that the case?
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Is there still a strong demand for the live sheep
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: export industry?
• 41:56
  Speaker 19: Absolutely?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Mate?
• 41:57
  Speaker 19: In Wa there's three things we need in our sheep industy.
• 42:00
  Speaker 19: We need wall, we need processes, and we need live export.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Well, what's going to happen then if this is phased
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: out by twenty twenty eight? I mean there could be
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: a change of government late this year early next year,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: in which case it's ramped up again. But if the
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: industry is phased out over three or four years, it's
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: going to be monumentally difficult to start it up again
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: from scratch.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Isn't it.
• 42:25
  Speaker 19: Yeah, it will be yep, and also monumental to try
• 42:29
  Speaker 19: and start other businesses associated with it as well. You know,
• 42:32
  Speaker 19: it'll knock thirty percent of my bottom line out of
• 42:34
  Speaker 19: the way. I think. You know, they haven't thought about
• 42:37
  Speaker 19: this properly.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: The whole industry.
• 42:40
  Speaker 19: We'll probably come to a stand so you can't just
• 42:42
  Speaker 19: keep regenerating stuff. If they keep shutting the door on you.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: How many people, how many families are going to lose
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: out because of this?
• 42:50
  Speaker 19: I'd hate to think, mate, I'd really hate to think.
• 42:53
  Speaker 19: I know myself, my own business, probably one truck, one driver,
• 42:56
  Speaker 19: which that includes his family. If they're in the local community.
• 43:00
  Speaker 19: It's your school, it's your part, it's your IgA, it's everywhere, mate,
• 43:03
  Speaker 19: It's going to be heartfelt and really widespread the damage
• 43:07
  Speaker 19: this built, this passing of the bill is going to cause.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: All Right, we'll see what happens from here.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Ben Ben and some of them
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: there from keep the Sheep, because the Coalition have committed
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: to reinstating that industry should they win government.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: We'll see what happens.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Now, coming up after the break, you're going to catch
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: up with the blog It to the Nation, Tim Blair.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about those blockade Australia activists.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Halting coal trains. Now for the eighth.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Day, let's catch up with Tim Blair.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: He works for the Daily Telegraph, but he belongs to
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: the Nation, for whom he blogs to you. Mate.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Now, we've been talking before about these lunatics who keep
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: climbing on the trains into the Port of Newcastle trying
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: to stop coal exports, in fact succeeding in stopping some
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: of the coal operations.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to show you the latest.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: This is from that area today, probably an old friend
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: of yours here you have a look.
• 44:02
  Speaker 17: Hi, everybody, my name is Psycha. I'm sitting on a
• 44:06
  Speaker 17: court train. We are actually exparting death, we are exparting
• 44:13
  Speaker 17: environmental crisis, and we are expoting climate chaos to other
• 44:19
  Speaker 17: countries who are feel that I need to lift our
• 44:24
  Speaker 17: lifestyle because the capitalist system has been expanded.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Also, now, Tim, apart from sort of questioning the sanity
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: of all of this, I get the feeling that these
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: people are retirees looking for a hobby, looking for something
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: to fill in their days, and we're all paying the price.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 44:48
  Speaker 20: In previous eras Chris, you'd have you know, old timers
• 44:52
  Speaker 20: who were inclined towards the busy body side of their
• 44:55
  Speaker 20: nature would hang out at council meetings that were safely
• 44:59
  Speaker 20: contained that get a b and make a few points
• 45:03
  Speaker 20: and then go off home. Now I blame, of course,
• 45:07
  Speaker 20: social media. Now their viewers expanded to saving the planet,
• 45:12
  Speaker 20: and you get people like this, although like as fun,
• 45:15
  Speaker 20: isn't it when the mask drops and they start talking
• 45:17
  Speaker 20: about exporting capitalism? Yeah, we all know, we all know
• 45:20
  Speaker 20: what the real process is about. Right here, der we
• 45:22
  Speaker 20: quiz by the way that none of these people who
• 45:25
  Speaker 20: have been been arrested or dragged away, hardly any of
• 45:28
  Speaker 20: them will spend any time in jail, any significant time.
• 45:31
  Speaker 20: Let's make them punishment fit the crime. Let's put them
• 45:33
  Speaker 20: to work loading coal and then when they're all dusted
• 45:36
  Speaker 20: up and black with the coal, send it to some
• 45:38
  Speaker 20: woke juice bar. But they'll be beaten up because they're
• 45:41
  Speaker 20: wearing blackface.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Make it fit the crime exactly.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Look, I got to show you this other clip of
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: the same lady because she realized there's some little item
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: that she actually needs.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I think it's called electricity.
• 45:57
  Speaker 12: We are in a climate crisis every day. Hang on,
• 46:03
  Speaker 12: I just have to have a little break and make
• 46:07
  Speaker 12: sure this fhorn is charged.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: She needed to fully charged phone.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: I just checked with my little lap here that in
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: New South Wales today. That means you're looking about eighty
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: percent fossil fuels have gone into charging her phone.
• 46:28
  Speaker 20: That's one of the all time classics, isn't it, Chris.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: That's just absolutely adorable.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 46:32
  Speaker 20: And they never make the connection do that. We need
• 46:35
  Speaker 20: a whole lot of tricy. There's will be a whole
• 46:37
  Speaker 20: lot more you know, electrically charged device in the future.
• 46:39
  Speaker 20: These people are not only against coler against you know, uranium,
• 46:42
  Speaker 20: they are against any real source of energy unless it
• 46:45
  Speaker 20: doesn't actually supply you with energy, then.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: They love it.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: She should have just stuck her phone into the coal
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: and got the power direct.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Now, you wrote.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: Brilliantly about Joe Biden and his debate and the different
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: approaches of some people.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: There are people out there who are actually.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Surprise that pretending they're surprised by this, as if we
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: haven't seen this about Joe Biden over many, many years.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: And others are sort of in denial, pretending that he's
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: all hunky dory, And I just want to get your
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: comments on that.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: But first up, let's just show this Republican ad.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: I love this one because it shows you what we're
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: likely to get if Joe Biden were to go on
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: and win reelection.
• 47:21
  Speaker 21: When you think about the Joe Biden you saw on
• 47:23
  Speaker 21: the debate, ask yourself a question. Do you think the
• 47:27
  Speaker 21: guy who was defeated by the stairs, got taken down
• 47:31
  Speaker 21: by his bike, lost a fight with his jacket, and
• 47:35
  Speaker 21: regularly gets lost. Makes it four more years on the
• 47:38
  Speaker 21: White House? And you know who's waiting behind it?
• 47:41
  Speaker 18: Right?
• 47:42
  Speaker 21: You vote Joe Biden today, get Kamala Harris tomorrow.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: It's pretty compelling stuff, and tim this debate on Friday
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: was just a reality check for everyone wasn't it?
• 47:55
  Speaker 20: Well, was the reality for people who haven't been following
• 47:57
  Speaker 20: events very closely or who have been concealed, you know,
• 48:01
  Speaker 20: have had their view and their analysis of the Biden
• 48:05
  Speaker 20: president for presidency concealed by a very very helpful and
• 48:09
  Speaker 20: compliant US media who have been I think the biggest
• 48:13
  Speaker 20: victim of that debate wasn't even Biden. It may have
• 48:15
  Speaker 20: been the media who are exposed as having propped up
• 48:18
  Speaker 20: this walking corpse so many years when anyone paying even
• 48:23
  Speaker 20: the slightest attention online especially is it's been a great
• 48:26
  Speaker 20: resource for clips of Biden just being out of it,
• 48:30
  Speaker 20: losing it over and over again. That ad is terrific,
• 48:33
  Speaker 20: But honestly, you'd need a half hour document half our
• 48:35
  Speaker 20: ad to give full scope to Biden's dementia.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Well here's another ad, and I love this one because
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: it's it's written and almost spoken by Joe Biden himself.
• 48:49
  Speaker 22: We have one thousand billionaires in America, I mean billionaires
• 48:54
  Speaker 22: in America. Noel was her Noel on one ISRAELI was
• 48:57
  Speaker 22: accident and killed and had started And I'm going to
• 49:01
  Speaker 22: continue to move until we get the total band, the
• 49:06
  Speaker 22: total initiative relative to what we're going to do with
• 49:08
  Speaker 22: more border patrol and more.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Pretty bad when the ad against you is just showing you.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:18
  Speaker 20: Also, we're seeing, I think, another side of Donald Trump.
• 49:21
  Speaker 20: Everyone's always making fun of him for being so bombastic
• 49:24
  Speaker 20: and so over the top. Who knew he had such
• 49:26
  Speaker 20: a gift for subtle facial gestures. He's barely moving a
• 49:30
  Speaker 20: muscle there, and he spoke a million words for a
• 49:33
  Speaker 20: thousand billions as I think about Biden put it ineed.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Tim Lovett, appreciate it.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Now we're running out of time now I think to
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: give any sharing your feedback from last night. But a
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: lot of you enjoyed the discussion we had about the
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: debate with Kristen Tate, and that interview on YouTube's got
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: two and a half million views, so a lot of
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Americans checking into they think sometimes they get better coverage
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: of US affairs from right here in Australia thanks from
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: watching us.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Tomorrownout he's paid a credline.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: M h
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: M hmm.