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Episode #189: Beyond Sunlight: How The Light Your Body Creates Dictates Your Health and Healing · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_01: What I have come to conclude that the future of nutrition, health, and agriculture is light.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's a bold statement to make from a scientist.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I want to now walk you through why I think that and how this has shaped my perception of how the body works and what the definition of health and dis-ease actually are.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi, Beyond Labels Family.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're your hosts, Farmer Joel Salatin, and our favorite researcher, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sena McCullough.
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  SPEAKER_00: Recently, Cena gave a speech, a presentation at the Rogue Food Conference.
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  SPEAKER_00: This was our 10th Rogue Food Conference, where we accentuate circumvention, not compliance.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's in keeping with Beyond Labels.
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  SPEAKER_00: And her talk went to an amazing place.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she mesmerized the audience.
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  SPEAKER_00: When she was done, we both realized this needs a little broader, uh, a little broader audience.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so several weeks ago, as she was preparing this talk, actually, Cena um uh asked me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm a bit of a Bible uh a holic, and um she said, you know, in Genesis 1, 3, it said, God said, let there be light and there was light.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is the first day of creation for you know everybody that's that that knows about the the creation story in Genesis.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh God said that there be light and there was light.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it wasn't until a couple days later that he created the sun, the moon, you know, the stars.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what was this light?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I didn't have an answer, but Sina in this talk takes us through energy to a light.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh it it's a it's an amazing um confluence of ideas and science that we've all come to appreciate from Sina.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I'll interject as I need to to keep it on for us um for those of us peasants in the audience.
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  SPEAKER_00: But um, but otherwise, we're gonna let Sina run through the um uh kind of the the basics of this presentation that she made.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think you're going to be um blown away by it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So with that, Sina, um take it away.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right, thanks, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_01: No pressure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so yes, I became fascinated with light, particularly from that Bible verse, and so I did some digging, which is one of my favorite hobbies now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what I have come to conclude is I believe that the future of nutrition, health, and agriculture is light.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I wanna, and that's a bold statement to make from a scientist.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I want to now walk you through why I think that and how this has shaped my perception of how the body works and what the definition of health and disease actually are, which is important if you want to actually achieve optimal health and vitality, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So the way that you think of the body, the way that you think of disease will shape how you can heal from um all these different chronic autoimmune conditions.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I want to start by just leaning into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna talk about something that should be familiar to our listeners, and that is that we are energy beings, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So we're not just chemical, we're not just these machines, which is what Western medicine and Western science teaches us now, is that we're these machines.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are not, we are actually energetic beings.
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  SPEAKER_01: We know that we send chemical signals to each other, like through hormones and pheromones and our scent.
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  SPEAKER_01: And of course, we communicate through sounds, through our words, we communicate through touch and through body language, but we also communicate energetically.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I don't mean through phones or email, but we communicate through an electromagnetic field that surrounds our bodies and flows through us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, modern science has actually confirmed this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, if some of you have, if you've ever watched Star Wars, like back when Star Wars was actually good, the original Star Wars, um, there was that moment when Obi-Wan Kenobi explains the force to Luke Skywalker.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is how he explains it: quote, it's an energy field created by all living things, it surrounds us and penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now this could sound like classic Jedi mumbo jumbo, but the crazy thing is Kenobi was on to something.
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  SPEAKER_01: Science has now shown that every cell in your body generates electricity, it generates electrical activity.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you so, for example, your heart it creates this current, electrical current, and we measure it with an EKG.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure most people are familiar with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: They attach electrodes to your body and they can measure the current through your heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your brain is the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: We can measure the current through your brain with EEGs, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: This whole this whole idea of pacemakers, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, how long have pacemakers been around?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean, when when did when did we start uh start understanding that the electric the electrical component of the heart?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it it's it's not been that long ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, so um the first implantable pacemaker, I just looked it up, was in 1958.
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  SPEAKER_01: Good thing for computers, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: In real time, answer Joel's questions.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that but that's not that's not that long ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, it's not that long ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not now.
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  SPEAKER_01: The interesting thing though, Joel, is that um all ancient cultures that I know of, they did recognize that there was an energy, a type of force, if you will, that runs through the body.
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  SPEAKER_01: So even in Ayurvedic medicine, that is called prana.
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  SPEAKER_01: In Chinese medicine, it's called qi.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in chiropractic and holistic healing, they call it the vital life force.
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  SPEAKER_01: So going back, you know, like centuries, that you we know that cultures knew about some kind of force, some kind of energy that runs through the body.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but like you're saying, Western science, modern science didn't recognize it until we could really measure it, uh, you know, in in these modern times.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now everybody accepts this fact because you can measure it through EKG and EEG and etc.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, we can actually demonstrate right now that we are electric beings.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, shall we do that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I have this, it's called an energy stick.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is a kid's science toy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what it is is a part of a circuit.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, as I mentioned, we have circuits running through our body.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you break a circuit, so for instance, in your house, if you have a light switch, the light switch is off and there's no light turned on because the circuit is broken.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you flip the switch, it connects the circuit and the light comes on.
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  SPEAKER_01: The same thing happens with this energy stick, it's only part of a circuit.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you can complete the circuit, the thing, this energy stick will light up and it will make noise.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um what if I'll walk through what I'm doing for people who aren't watching the video.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, there's a positive and a negative, you can see, and like a battery.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just gonna put one hand on one side and you can see nothing's happened, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I have one hand on this side, nothing's happened.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and there's metal wrapped around it as a conductor.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can you see that?
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  SPEAKER_01: There's metal on both sides wrapped around as a conductor.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I have one hand on one side, nothing's happening, which means the circuit has not been completed.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now if I put my other hand on.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it lights up, it makes a noise.
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  SPEAKER_01: I took my hand off, now I put my hand back on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now I took my hand off.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we can do this all day long.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and when you were demonstrating this for the group of us, we actually we actually got in a group and and and held hands all the way around.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was clear, I was clear out on one end of the group.
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  SPEAKER_00: And just for fun, I really I was there was a little girl next to me holding my hand, and I let go of my hand, and and the the energy stick went blank.
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  SPEAKER_00: It went blank.
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  SPEAKER_00: Clear that far out of there were whatever eight of us in the group, and that far out, if anybody let go of somebody else's hands, immediately it stopped.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's really cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and so to kind of pick it up visual for the listeners, in case that didn't quite make sense.
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  SPEAKER_01: What we did was once I touched it myself, like this, then I said, let's demonstrate that we can pass energy through each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so basically we held hands.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I held part of the stick, and Hilda, Hallistic Hilda, was next to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: She held the other part of the stick, and we done, and then I held her hand and we demonstrated that it still lit up.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then one person at a time, we added one more person into this link of us holding hands.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think there were like nine, 10 of us toward the end, and it was still lighting up.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what Joel said is once we were like nine of us strong in this circle and it was lighting up, he released his hand.
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  SPEAKER_01: He stopped holding hands with that little girl and it stopped lighting up and making noise.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then we all grabbed hands again, and then I released my hand and it stopped.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I touched the nose of the person next to me and it lit up again, showing that the electricity can go through all these different body parts.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's not just the hands, although, as we know from the Bible, the hands are important for healing.
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  SPEAKER_01: But so this demonstrates that not only do we generate and conduct electricity running through us, but that we can um share that electrical energy amongst us.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's not just this energy within us, it's amongst us.
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  SPEAKER_01: It affects other people around you.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, what we know is that in science, this concept is so accepted at this point, meaning this concept that we have this electromagnetic field is that now science has named it.
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  SPEAKER_01: The National Institute of Health has named it the bio field.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this biofield is this organizing field that's around you.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's an electric field and a magnetic field that we call an electromagnetic field.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, this dates back to Einstein when you're talking about how how long have we known this stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Einstein did say that anytime you have a current, it generates an electric field and a magnetic field.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So here's the definition of the biofield: complex, a dynamic energy field.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's involved in maintaining the integrity of the whole organism, regulating its physiology and its biochemistry, it's integral in development, healing, and regeneration.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, what does that mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: That means what scientists are now saying who study the biofield is that the your biofield controls, it regulates all of your chemical reactions in your body.
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  SPEAKER_01: It regulates hormone release, for example.
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  SPEAKER_01: It regulates um what's going to be expressed from your genes, it regulates healing.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you get a cut on your arm, and we all know that it gets inflamed and you send a blood flow and nutrients, and there's an uh uh increase in your immunity, and it rushes to that area where the cut is.
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  SPEAKER_01: That response is dictated by the biofield, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's in charge of healing and regenerating the body.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, Western medicine, going back to your point, Joel, they used to believe in this organizing field, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you look back in um like the 18th century, for instance, you'll see uh healers, practitioners, scientists talking about some organizing energy field.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then in the 19th century, so in the 1800s, is when that reductionist thinking really came to the forefront.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it pushed all of this concept of the body being energy, it pushed it to the back.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and we started on this path of reductionism.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's figure out the chemistry of everything, like the microscopes and everything, PCR, all of this spun out from that time period.
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  SPEAKER_00: And even uh white blood cells, you know, all these.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um so so what you're what you're suggesting is that the um that the biofield uh determines where the white blood cells are gonna run.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we we do have chemistry, we do have genetics.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh we're not gonna debate that today.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are some that say we don't have cells, but let's not go down that rabbit hole.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, so so how does how does all this how does all this uh stuff organize?
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  SPEAKER_00: And what you're suggesting is it is it is this energy, this biofield, uh, which we still don't, you know, obviously fully understand, that helps to organize all the all this molecular atomic chemical um biological structure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that is exactly right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what I'm suggesting is uh and what a science now, and particularly biophysicists, um, have discovered, is that you're you're not doomed by your DNA.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your DNA is not even the ultimate blueprint of your body.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, in conventional science and conventional medicine, we still teach that concept that um your genes are transcribed and translated into proteins, for instance, and they determine um, you know, your eye color and your health status.
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  SPEAKER_01: If your parents had heart disease, then you're probably gonna have heart disease because it's in your genes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna take you to a place where we're not gonna debate whether or not we have DNA, but um there's a new understanding of what the role of DNA may be.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um just to piggyback on what you said, even people who are debating that there are no cells have come to realize that certain there are certain um tissues that that do have cell-like structures in them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there is biochemistry in the body.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what we're saying is that the control mechanism for that bio biochemistry is not the DNA.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's what I'm saying here.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we're gonna get into what it actually is in a minute.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, Cena, that that's a that's an amazing little like a little footnote here to because you know, there are people that say there aren't viruses or there aren't cells or there aren't DNA.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and and and what most of these folks are struggling with is that they don't respond, they they don't respond, um, they don't respond structurally and physically like you would expect a structural and physical thing to respond all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so you didn't talk about this in your speech, but it just came into my head as you it could it be that some of the um the pushback on reductionist western cell viral DNA genetic structure is because of the biofield's dynamism on that structure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I love it when you start looking like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh dynamism on that structure that then makes it behave not like a structure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that is exactly right.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just got goosebumps.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh man, I wish I had encapsulated that and said it during the talk, but okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's what I'm here for.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm I'm here to I'm here to dumb it down.
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  SPEAKER_00: See, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's why it takes a farmer and a doctor to come together to get the full picture.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like no, you are absolutely right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so what I'm and we're gonna let's let's unpack this, okay?
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: Let's unpack exactly what you said one step at a time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the point number one is that the biofield is what carries the instructions or the blueprint.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not the DNA, it's the field.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, like I said, the field will instruct how the genes are gonna be expressed, how the cells are gonna function, how your body is gonna build up and break itself down and repair itself.
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  SPEAKER_01: This may actually be, Joel, the reason why some people, as you know, can eat junk food and smoke and live to be 90.
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  SPEAKER_01: And other people will eat like super healthy, but they are reacting violently to environmental toxins, right?
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  unknown: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: It could also be why two people could have the same genetic mutation and have completely different health outcomes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so it's like what you're talking about.
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  SPEAKER_01: This this concept is starting to start once it sinks in and you're really starting to get it, it's gonna start explaining some a lot of these differences that we are seeing in human health and in scientific literature and in outcomes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, how does this work?
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  SPEAKER_01: We know that stress, trauma, and emotions are stored in your field, in your biofield.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we know that those um energetic imprints can turn genes on and off and can turn hormones, you know, upregulate hormones, downregulate hormones, and so forth, which means you change your biology in real time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you shape your biology in real time based on your emotions, based on your level of stress.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let me add interject a little bit of science here to bring it back down to that level.
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  SPEAKER_01: So your biofield is an electric is electromagnetic energy, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's by the way, we can measure it.
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  SPEAKER_01: The field has been measured, so it is made up of electromagnetic energy.
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  SPEAKER_01: We know that energy carries information.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Einstein's famous equation, E equals MC squared, means energy equals mass times the speed of light squared.
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  SPEAKER_01: On a basic level, that means that energy and mass are interchangeable, so they're just different forms of the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: So under the right condition, energy can become mass, and mass can become energy.
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  SPEAKER_01: We as humans don't see it that way, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: We don't see, oh, how can a beam of light and a walnut be different forms of the same thing, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: We don't see it that way because we've been trained to think of the body as a machine and nothing more but atoms and part and cells and molecules, okay?
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  SPEAKER_01: But nature doesn't actually see it that way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everything in nature is connected and everything works in a rhythm.
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  SPEAKER_01: So apply this to emotions.
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  SPEAKER_01: What are emotions?
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  SPEAKER_01: They're not just energy, sorry, they're not just feeling, they're an energy, they are a frequency, an energetic frequency that sends information because all energy carries information.
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  SPEAKER_01: That information is what determines which genes are turned on and off.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, for example, if you are carrying an energetic imprint in your field of fear that vibrates at a low frequency, which is measured, and it sends a message of fear to the body.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that signals inflammation, it signals cortisol to be released because you're signaling that there's something to be afraid of, and so your body goes into fight or flight.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and we're all familiar with fight and flight on on this podcast, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So carrying the emotion of fear will generate disease in your body because it keeps you in a constant state of fight or flight.
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  SPEAKER_01: The opposite of that, if you carry vibrational frequencies of gratitude, love, joy, fruits of the spirit, that promotes healing.
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  SPEAKER_01: It promotes anti inflammatory mechanisms in the body, it builds resiliency.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, when you hold on to fear, pain, resentment, grief, your body will mirror that state.
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  SPEAKER_01: It mirrors that energetic state.
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  SPEAKER_01: We call these symptoms.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your symptoms, the physical symptoms, are your tell, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's like you're playing a card game and the symptoms are your tell.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's giving away to the whole rest of the world which emotions you're actually struggling with.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like showing your cards to the whole white world.
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  unknown: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So and people who can read these, people who are in tune, who, you know, like when I'm meeting with somebody and I see certain symptoms in somebody, um, I know your story.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know what you're holding on to.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, and you can track it back to what organs, for example, um, are in this state of energetic imbalance.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, quick story to uh drive home the impact that your field has on your on your physical health.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of my clients had multi had MS.
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  SPEAKER_01: She lost her vision and tried all these physical things, physical strategies to get the vision back.
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  SPEAKER_01: She couldn't do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I suggested to her that the vision was lost because she had an emotional imbalance, which leads to an energetic imbalance.
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  SPEAKER_01: We she realized that she couldn't face the loss of her nephew.
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  SPEAKER_01: She was grieving and she felt guilt.
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  SPEAKER_01: Her body responded to that by blinding her, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: She literally couldn't face the guilt.
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  SPEAKER_01: So her body blinded her.
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  SPEAKER_01: When she sat with that pain, with that guilt, with the emotion, and she moved through it and she handed it back.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's she's a devout Christian.
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  SPEAKER_01: She handed it back to God, prayed for forgiveness, handed it back to him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Her eyesight returned almost immediately.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, she did nothing else but hand that back to God.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's because your body listens to your energy, it is holding on to whatever is stuck in your field, and that which is stuck in your field is creating your biology, meaning your physical body is downstream of your field.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, it is downstream of your field.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when you're trying to reverse a dis-ease, for example, and by the way, that's what dis-ease means, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: To just be out of balance.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you are trying to heal, recover from some kind of dis-ease, we tend to chase the chemistry.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: We're getting lab tests done, right?
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Food sensitivity tests, chemical tests, cholesterol tests, hormone tests.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not saying those things aren't helpful.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: They can help you figure out the puzzle, okay?
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: But what I'm saying is even those of us who are like, okay, I know the body's not a machine, we still primarily chase the biochemistry.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so the answers that we're coming up with to heal ourselves are on that biochemical level.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: We're taking supplements, for example, to try to fill in some missing gaps based on whatever the tests are showing us.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: We're taking more herbals.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: And again, not that those things are bad, but they're not what's going to get you to fully heal the body.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: This is one reason why I believe, Joel, that let's say somebody heals, let's say somebody's able to get out of get into remission, as they call it.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: And as you know, I don't believe in that term, but if somebody, let's say, um gets rid of the physical symptoms by chasing the chemistry and they get into what we call is remission, you will hear a lot of times, oh, the cancer came back, right?
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: It was in remission and it came back, or the autoimmune condition was in remission and then it came back.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, why?
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Why did it come back?
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because presumably the person has now changed their diet, right?
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: They're taking the healthy supplements, they're doing all the things that they learned to get into remission.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Why did it not work?
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: Why'd they go back and get sick?
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's because they're still creating the same physical body because they didn't change the blueprint.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't change what's in the field.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: You have to change the energetic imprints in your field.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: You have to bring coherence to the field, is what I'm saying.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: If there's not coherence in the field, it will create a diseased body.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: So, some of the ways you can know if you're if your field is blocked, if it's carrying some of this low vibrational energy, is if you're struggling with chronic fatigue or pain, or you feel tension in your body, or you're having sleep issues, or you feel constantly stressed or overwhelmed or anxious, um, if if you're unable to heal.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: So if you do have symptoms and you can't get rid of them, these all are indications that there's an energy balance, there's a stuck emotion sitting there in the field.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so is this Cena just occurred to me, is this why uh is this why the placebo effect um works sometimes because a person believes so strongly that this is going to make me better, uh, that they change their biofield.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: And and and we get and we have the you know, we we all we all recognize the placebo effect.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: There is a placebo effect.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: Is that why you think maybe that's why that is?
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, okay.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: So you jump to the end of the talk.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: You're getting too smart, Joel.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me it down a little bit.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yes, yes.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let's um can we put a pin in that until we get to the end of this one?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: But you're exactly right on.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: So, okay.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so the next step in this understanding is I want to bring a little more science to this.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: There was a researcher, Dr.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: Dr.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: Kelly Turner, and she studied uh 1,500 cases of individuals who healed from cancer.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, she interviewed all of them and she found nine things that they all had in common.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: Only two of those nine were physical things that they did.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: They changed their diet and they started taking herbs, and sometimes supplements.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so only two of the nine things that all these 1,500 people did were on the physical level.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: Seven of the things that every single one of these people did to reverse the cancer were on the energetic level.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Seven.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: Those seven are trust your intuition, take control of your health, deepen your spiritual connection, embrace social support, have a purpose for living.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then the last two, which are the most critical, release suppressed emotions and increase your positive emotions.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I just told you.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: In the field, you will hold suppressed emotions.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I hear a lot of people, and I experienced this myself, where we'll say, you know, I'm I'm doing all the things, like I'm praying, I'm meditating, um, you know, I'm meditating on the Bible, I'm doing guided meditations, I'm taking walks in nature, like I'm doing tapping, I'm doing breathing stuff.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I still can't feel gratitude.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like I still don't feel joyfulness.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Part of that is because I think of it as like when these um suppressed emotions are in the field, you need to clear them to make room for the fruits of the spirit.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so that's another way where you can you can maybe identify if you're holding on to some suppressed emotions, is because you're not truly able to get into that space of joy or gratitude.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, now what this means, what Dr.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: Turner's work means, is that we are not machines, that we are these energetic beings, and your biofield holds the key for you to heal.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: So now I want to take this one step deeper.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so as we said, chemistry has come a long way in helping us understand the body, but there's some things it cannot explain.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: For example, when you contract your muscle, how almost instantaneously does that entire muscle, muscle, all those little muscle fibers in there, all the little chemical reactions that have to occur to make that muscle contract?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: How do they all do it simultaneously in this coherent matter?
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: And how do they do it so quickly?
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: If we're signaling just based on chemicals, how are we having such quick interactions?
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: How are we having lightning speed like reactions when you touch something that's hot?
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, how does a chemical reaction know when to start and when to stop?
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: How does that molecule know where in the cell it's supposed to be or where in the body, if you want, is it supposed to be?
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: DNA itself is made up of like let's just say building blocks.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, keep it simple.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: How do those building blocks know how to actually come together and in what order?
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: What is actually controlling that?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: What's regulating it, directing it, right?
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Where is your memory actually stored?
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: Even um neuroscientists debate that to this day.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: Or, Joel, have you ever walked into the room and you're not and you can tell, like from over, maybe behind you or from the side of you, you can tell that someone is staring at you, right?
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: Without even looking at it, right?
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: How do we know that?
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: How does the body sense that, right?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: So there is something beyond chemistry at work here.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I would I've just walked you through how we now know our body's creative energy, but I wanted to know specifically what type of energy is it?
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna talk about light, okay?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: Back to um what Joel started with light that was that God created on the first day.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: So most of us are familiar with sunlight and that it can regulate your circadian rhythm, which means the sunlight can regulate your hormones, your metabolism, your immune function.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and when you disrupt your circadian cycle, your body falls out of sync.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: So you can disrupt it by like staying inside too long, or staring at your blue screens late at night, or actually eating at odd hours of the day, like eating late into the night can change your circadian rhythm, um, you know, causing actually disease.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: Most of us spend most of our time inside.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't think it's going to be surprised to hear that most of the top 10 causes of death in America are now linked to a dysfunctional circadian rhythm.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: Even Alzheimer's disease has been linked to a dysfunctional circadian rhythm.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, Joel, your microbiome changes in response to the circadian rhythm, right?
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: We hear a lot of people talk about how food is so important for balancing the microbiome, right?
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: Food, um, herbs, uh, man-made supplements.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: These are the things people usually talk about in when we're trying to create um a healthy microbiome, right?
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: Raw milk, all these things, raw food.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: But what may be even more important than all of that in creating a healthy microbiome is actually light.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: So in here, let's talk about sunlight.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there's actually a 2022 study out of nature that talked about how you have an intestinal clock, an intestinal circadian rhythm, and that the my the gut microbes are are um controlled by this intestinal clock.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the could the the researchers of that study actually concluded that that clock in your gastrointestinal tract represents a quote key element to maintaining your gastrointestinal health by driving um rhythmicity of your gut bacteria.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: So we're back to rhythm.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: This is why I said in that talk I gave that health is not a puzzle to solve, it's a rhythm to return to.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, nature works in rhythms.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: Now we have, I'm talking about circadian rhythm.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: Your entire body works on a circadian rhythm.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: When you disrupt that rhythm, disease forms.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: And here I'm showing you from a study an example of that.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: Your very microbes, your micro uh microbiome in your body, on your skin, it's all affected by sun and the circadian rhythm that the sun provides.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: They've already shown this to be connected to things like type 2 diabetes and IBS and whatnot.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: We also know that the sunlight directly changes your microbiome.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: So get this, Joel.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: Exposure to sun on your skin changes the microbiome in your gastrointestinal tract.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, they've shown this was a 2020 study in gut microbes.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: They compared the microbes of somebody in an urban environment of this group of people in an urban environment versus Amazonian hunter and gatherers.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: And they were looking at the gastrointestinal microbiome.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: And what they saw was that the urban group had a less diverse microbiome and they had worse ratios.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: So you would say they had like dysbiosis of the microbiome compared to this hunter-gatherer tribe in the Amazon.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if you expose that urban group to UV light on the sun on the skin, it increased the diversity and correct the ratio of their microbes in the gastrointestinal tract.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: The authors concluded, the scientists concluded, sunlight is a tangible factor that should be considered as a modulator of the gut microbiome.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: So there's this skin gut axes that's associated with disease and health by changing the gut microbiome simply from being exposed to the sun.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so here's light component from the sun.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead, Joel.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, I mean that's just um that's profound.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: I I I mean um and when you realize that that when you're in the when you realize how how little sun a many Americans today get.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: I mean they are just they're just a lot of people don't don't get a moment of sun of of actual sunshine, uh UV light for days.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's um you know, and and then when you realize that also uh if you are out in the sun, you're generally not sitting, you're moving, you're walking, you're you know, pruning trees, you know, mowing the lawn.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, you're running a chainsaw, you know, you're doing something uh active as well in the sun.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot going on there.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, kind of an inherently, kind of an inherently positive domino effect, if you will.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, I know sometimes it's hard for people to get out in the sun.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like my husband, now he goes and works in an office.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: He leaves before the sun comes up.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: He's sitting in an office all day long under these blue lights, staring at the blue light from the screen, and also the flicker of those of those lights, which is unnatural.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then he drives home in the car, which also blocks out some of the light, the natural, the good sunlight because of the window.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: You need a convertible.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: I know that's a good reason to get a convertible.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: Or at least unroll the window when you're driving so some of those sunrise can get in there, you know.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and then he comes home and it's it's like almost dark by the time he gets home.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I understand it could be hard.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: So you at least get out on the weekends, you know.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um even the moon, the the light coming off, reflecting off the moon can help you.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: But if you can get out um at sunrise and sunset, particularly at sunrise, but that's a whole nother podcast.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: So let's go on with this one.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: Let's continue with the power of light.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: So we talked about sunlight, that's the light outside of us.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: And now let's talk about the light within.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: There's a famous pioneering biophysicist named Dr.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: Fritz Alper Albert Popp.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: Dr.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: Popp, back in 1976, he made this groundbreaking discovery that our bodies emit light.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: There's these tiny little bursts of light, and he called that light biophotons, light of life.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it's the light of life.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: So literally, he said our bodies are emitting light.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: He actually demonstrated this theory to be true by using a photo multiplier, too.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, Joel, you'll appreciate this.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: The story that I heard was um Dr.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: Pop was theorizing about this and sharing his theory that we emit this light.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, you know, this was back in 1976.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: People were like, What?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: That can't be true.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, so he basically was going rogue, and everybody else was like, no, like we're biochemical, you know.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so he he he paired up with this other guy and who didn't believe him.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: The guy was setting out to disprove him.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so that guy helped to create this modal, this photo multiplier tube, which is a machine that was said to detect this ultra-weak uh light emission of living things.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: So this guy helps him create this tube, trying to disprove them.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: They get it to work, they test stuff.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: Lo and behold, Dr.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: Pop was right.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: They were actually to measure, they were actually able to measure this light.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: So then that other guy obviously became a big believer and they started studying this all together.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: Now, in most major universities, they have photomultiplier tubes because it's caught on.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: And this is what people are studying now.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: The light that's emitted by the human body is very weak, it's about a thousand times less intense than what a human um eye can actually detect.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why most of us can't see this light that's coming out.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: We use we need um special equipment.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: So you we actually have these ultra-sensitive cameras now that can take pictures of the light.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's really cool.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: In 2009, there was a scientific article published where they took pictures of this light at different times of the day.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: And you can go to that article, I'll put in a link in the description, and you can see these images.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: Those researchers from that study concluded, and I quote, the human body literally glimmers.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: It literally glimmers.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: Now we know that that basically all living things emit some kind of light.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we do, all other animals do.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, microbes in your gastrointestinal tract emit light.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, all these living things emit light.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I want to pause for a second, Joel, to bring this back down to the chemical level, because it might sound a little far-fetched for some people who are listening to this right now.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I contend that if it sounds far-fetched, that's because um of what we've been trained to believe that the body is and that the body isn't.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: But if any of you have ever taken chemistry, like in high school or in college, then you have already heard about the light that's produced in the body.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: You just heard it in a different way.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: So most of us have heard or we learned about atoms and electrons in chemistry class.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: In school, we're often introduced to what's called the Bohr model.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: He was named after Niels Bohr, a physicist.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: In that model, it says that we have this nucleus in the center, and then we have electrons that orbit around the nucleus in different energy levels.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: So you can think of it as like Saturn, it has that ball in the middle, and Saturn has all these rings.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: So the Bohr model said, Oh, your um an atom is like that.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: It has this nucleus in the middle, and it has these electrons orbiting in different rings or energy levels around it.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: Those electrons will jump, they'll go from one ring and then back down to the next.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: So they'll jump up and then they'll go back down.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: This is all taught in chemistry class.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: All you have chemic, chemical, um, chemists and chemical engineers, every, they all believe in this.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: Not the Bohr model, but they all believe that the electrons jump up and down into different energy states.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: Now, when an electron jumps to a higher energy state, it says that it's absorbing energy.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: When the electron jumps back down to a lower ring, it releases that energy.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: And it releases the energy in the form of light.
• 43:33
  unknown: Right?
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: So we all have heard this before.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: We just didn't really maybe know how to apply it.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Joel, when I was in college, they were drawing these models on the chalkboard, showing these electrons dropping down, and they would have these wavy lines come out and it would say photons, right?
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: Photons of light.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so I asked, well, what does that photon of photon of light mean?
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Do.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: And the professors would always say, Oh, that light's a waste product.
• 44:05
  unknown: Right?
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's just a waste product because your cell is so inefficient.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: It just wastes energy, right?
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, so, and that's because they didn't know how to explain it, right?
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like junk DNA.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: They don't really know how to explain it.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: We do now, but they didn't know how to explain it, so they chalked it up as just waste.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_01: Now, we know the Bohr model is not accurate anymore.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, modern um quantum mechanics has come into place, but we still know, we still believe that these electrons jump different energy states and they hold energy and they release energy in the form of light.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: That same process happening at the biochemical level in your body can help explain how human cells actually emit some of these photons of light.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we know that it's theorized that they're generated during metabolic reactions.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: So when you break down food, for example, it goes through what we call oxidative phosphorylation, it breaks down into um uh into water, structured water, and also into ATP, which we know that as the the energy powerhouse of the cell.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's the energy currency of the cell, which I will debate in just a minute.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: But we know that you well, we think you create ATP and you create water, uh, you give off CO2, right?
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: And you also create what are called NAD and NADH and um FADH2.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: These are actually regenerated electron carriers.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: So when you break down food, Joel, the whole goal of breaking down the food is actually to move electrons.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: And this is actually on uh so chemists would agree with this.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: You are breaking down food and trans and transferring an electron from one molecule to the next.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you're basically just changing hands of this electron.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's like us standing in a line, passing electrons down a chain in the mitochondria where you make this ATP, it's actually called the the apparatus that does this is actually called the electron transport chain.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't want this, I don't want to, I don't want people to get lost in the science.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: Let me try to break this down in a simple form.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: What I'm saying is science already says that electrons will emit light in the body, and we already know that the reason we break down food is to capture energy, and we do that by moving electrons.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, is that make sense?
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: Am I making that connection?
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, yep, you are, you are.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it um yeah, it it's it's still it still never never ceases to amaze me that this computer or this desk is actually moving.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's mostly space.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, when you get into that that realm of like that biophysics and the quantum realm, it's it's a little uh because it's just it's unorthodox, it's just not what we're taught.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um let me add a little component.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let me get to that food component in just a minute.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let me walk you through.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: I get so excited, I I want to jump ahead.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: Let me walk you through the health part and then we'll get into how this applies to food.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I'll try to move through it a little bit more quickly.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: So we're already actually using light in cancer research, and we're using it to measure how much light is being emitted from the body, and so they can actually use technology to measure, for example, if you have more coherent light in one organ than the other.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: So tumors will emit incoherent light, kind of a chaotic, incoherent light.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh when, and then a healthy cell doesn't.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_01: A healthy has cell and a healthy organ has a coherent organized rhythm.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I kind of I tend to think of it as um the healthy body is like a well-tuned orchestra, right?
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_01: A coherent light means that the messages that are being sent through the body are very clear, they're easy to understand.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: You are literally sending good vibes out, okay, when your light is coherent.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: In a diseased or stressed state, the light becomes garbled.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you're now out of harmony.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_01: The communication starts breaking down, the messages are hard to understand, and so the body doesn't work together in rhythm anymore.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't work like a team to achieve this common goal of balance.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you're out of tune, you're out of rhythm.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, so Cena, I guess again, I'm just thinking through this with you.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um we have so so this what you're describing here is like cutting edge.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, cutting edge um research right now.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_00: Medically.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: Medically.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, all right.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_00: So but the but the medical field, when we when we think about, well, let's just take one cancer, uh, and in our family, you know, my dad supposedly died of prostate cancer, Teresa's mom died at 53 from ovarian cancer.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: So we have, you know, we have a background of uh cancer in our family.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um both of our families.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: So how when when does when does chemotherapy, when does all the the the remediation processes when do they catch up with this?
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's usually a long lag, like a decade or two, be between things coming out in the scientific literature, like these breaking techniques, and implementing them in clinic.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, part of there's many reasons for that.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: One reason is because um the cost, you know, the cost to scale these things up and to get them out and to the public.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: The other is um the acceptance.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_00: The cost the cost of uh of of the light light scanning.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: The cost of actually implementing the technique.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: Now, um there's already in this case, oh and so then the other part is often acceptance of it.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_01: So for instance, medical doctors are trained um, you know, with a certain toolkit available to them, and that's what they use, you know.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: So it takes a while to get things out into the mainstream, which is oftentimes why things show up first in alternative practices, and they often aren't covered by healthcare and you know in insurance in the beginning.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but in this case, we already know, like there's lots of studies.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: If you go to PubMed, you will find a lot of studies where they're already um testing out the application of biophoton research in cancer.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: So they're testing it for detection, because like I said, it the cancerous cells, uh, tumors will emit different types of light.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: And in some studies, they're saying that they can use light to detect cancer before the tumors become visible in um imaging scans.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: So this might be used for early detection.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there are also studies showing that they're trying to use um biophoton, uh um biophotomodulation, light therapy to actually treat uh tumors.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and you can treat them with more precision.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so this I think this is huge because this is a step be, they are looking beyond the chemistry, right?
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: When you look at chemotherapy, right, and you're and you're you're giving people chemicals to try to kill these cancer cells, you're still chasing the chemistry, right?
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_01: At least now in this biophysics space, they've moved beyond that, and they're trying to now use light therapy.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_01: And we've heard of light therapy, right?
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: Infraright, red light there, right there.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's huge, it's huge.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: There's yeah, tremendous yeah, it's in spas now.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_01: People go and lay in those beds.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: You can buy you know red light there.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: You can put it on your knee or your your whatever.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that's right.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so um, this brings me to the next point is that um so we have since we're going down this way, we already know that there's light therapy, and we there's lots of studies showing that red light infrarite therapy actually works by it's like jump starting the healing process in your body.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, it helps to um it helps the mitochondria to function more efficiently, it helps to reduce inflammation, it helps to improve blood flow, nutrient delivery to the body.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so we know that already.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_01: The light itself is doing that healing in the body, and so what what one thought is that, like I said, you're jumpstarting the physical body.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: So you're adding this extra healing light component of it, getting it a boost of light to jumpstart um the healing process of the body.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: Now, here's the thing your body also emits waves of light in that spectrum.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, your body also emits waves of light in the infrared range and also visible range, but it emits light in the infrared range.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: So what this means is that we are now thinking that cells, let's take the nerves, for example.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, a nerve, uh if it's if it gets injured, it sends out bursts of light as a distress signal.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's like an SOS, it's like a right, like it's chaotic.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the coherent light anymore.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: I I like to think of nerves as um when they're healthy, they're kind of whispering to each other.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, because there's this, there's this coherent, low-level rhythmic light that runs through the nerves.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_01: They whisper to each other.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_01: And they whisper because they're communicating with each other, right?
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: They don't want to scream because then they can't hear anybody else.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_01: When they are distressed, when they're sick and they're injured, they scream.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: They send out this distress signal like an SOS.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: That signal, we believe, calls in the troops for assistance.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: So, for example, neurons that are next to it can actually transfer energy as biophotons to that nerve to help it regenerate or repair itself.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: And some of that energy is emitted in um the infrared spectrum.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_01: So scientists have actually now proposed that our cells, we don't just emit, like it's not like, oh, light.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's a whole spectrum of light, right?
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like the sunlight, for instance.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_01: We we're all familiar with this.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: There's UVA, UVB rays.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: There's an entire spectrum of light coming from the sun, and it changes based on the time of day.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's rhythmic, right?
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_01: Back to the rhythm of nature.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: It changes.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: You need all of the wavelengths of the sunlight in different intensities.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_01: The body operates functional optimally when you get all those wavelengths of light.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_01: Now, what we're believing is that the light, the biophotons that are literally created from the inside of your body, also operate on a spectrum of wavelengths of light.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: Those wavelengths communicate different messages.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_01: So, one message, this SOA, SOS message that's sent out by a sick cell, maybe calling out and saying, Hey, I need some repair mechanisms, you know, bring in this nutrient, bring in the blood flow, whatever it may be, right?
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: But it's a way that they're signaling.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_01: And again, this is the same as um the concept behind photobiomodulation.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_01: But the difference is if you're doing photobiomodulation, like if you have a machine that has red light therapy, for example, that is a man-made wavelength, right?
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_01: So it doesn't have the diversity, it doesn't have the spectrum.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_01: This is man-made versus the type of wavelengths that your body can emit um on its own because it knows what it needs to repair.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_01: So, in other words, what I'm saying is the ideal situation is you are learning how to increase the amount of biophotons that your body produces when you need it to heal you.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_01: And people have already done this.
• 58:05
  unknown: Okay.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_01: So, um, for example, I just want to say scientists are exploring light therapy for all kinds of conditions now: Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, depression, stroke, brain injuries, all kinds of conditions.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: They're exploring how light can actually be used to heal these conditions.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Dr.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_01: Pop himself, he um shine, he he applied light to tumor cells.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: And just by applying the light, he was able to turn the tumor cells back into healthy cells.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so we know that this can happen.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_01: You actually have already heard a story of somebody doing this, and that's Dr.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_01: Joe Dispenza, right?
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: He's the one that had the devastating spinal cord injury, and doctors told him he wasn't gonna walk again under unless he went up, um, unless he had radical surgery.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_01: He said no.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_01: He said, um, he said that basically the bother, the body that created can heal.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so he trained his mind to reconstruct his spine.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_01: He had clear, focused intention attached to elevated emotion, and within 10 weeks he was healed.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we call that mind over matter.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_01: This gets into what you're talking about with the placebo effect.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_01: So we call this mind over matter, but uh the way that it works is that what we're thinking now, because we're not thinking on a biochemical level, we're thinking that, for example, when when when Joe Dispenza was reconstructing his spine using his mind and the attached emotions, he was actually increasing the amount of biophotons and the quality, the coherence of the biophotons in that area of his body.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then the body was allowed, was able to heal itself.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_01: We know this we we've this has been measured.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: So by the way, I've always found it fascinating that in the Bible, Jesus heals with his hands, right?
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_01: I know Joel, you've told, I know you've heard me say time and time again that I think God gives us everything that we need to heal, that we don't need equipment and all these outside things.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_01: We just need to be able to harness, identify, and harness this God-given ability.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, in a lab now, they they have measured that not only do your hands naturally emit uh uh more biophotons, your hands do that naturally, but they have brought people like meditators and energy workers into a lab and they have measured their hands.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_01: So they measure them before they start doing like meditation or healing work, and then they measure it as they're doing this work.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_01: They have measured that the amount of photons coming out of their hands can increase by 10 times their baseline.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_01: So that's with this clear intention that you can actually heal the body.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_01: Bring this round to the placebo effect.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_01: That is the belief that you're gonna heal, right?
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_01: And we know that it works.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_01: We know that if if a doctor hands you a sugar pill and says this pill will heal you within two days, the odds are you will be healed within two days.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_01: There's also the no-cebo effect, which is the belief that you will get sick.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_01: So if you think you're gonna get sick, you will get sick.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_01: What this means is mind over matter is a real thing.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just a theory, mind over matter is actually a force, and it's something that all of us can harness because God gave all of us the ability to heal.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_01: And and what and so one way that this has actually happened is in our food supply.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna I'm gonna go to the last.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let me leave the food supply for last.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, all of this ties into um that same question of what or who is orchestrating this grand symphony of our body, right?
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I talked about the biofield, right?
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_01: And we've talked a little bit about our thoughts.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_01: It is your consciousness.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_01: So the ultimate conductor, the ultimate conductor is your consciousness.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_01: And we have a lot of um about even back to Einstein talking about the field, and we have a lot of Nobel Prize-winning, you know, physicists, and there's biophysicists that have all come to the same conclusion that your consciousness is the master organizer of your field.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: So that means that like if you're holding on to those emotions, it's gonna organize your field.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that means you can change, we all know this, you can change your heart rhythm, you can change your brain activity, right?
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_01: Just by your thoughts alone, right?
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_01: So um there's actually this study that was done.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't sure if I was gonna bring this up, but uh but I I think I think you're ready, Joel.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_01: So there was this study, uh, a lot of studies done out of the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's a handful, right?
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_01: Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's called the Pear Lab.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_01: And this was again, this was at Princeton.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: This lab, I believe, was uh in operations for about 30 years, and they studied consciousness, they studied mind over matter.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_01: And Joel, what they would show is incredible.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_01: And this is repeated.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_01: So these are thousands of experiments that have been done that have validated this thought that your consciousness actually shapes your biology.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_01: So an example, they would they had these balls that would drop down um into these little grooves.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_01: And when they drop down, every single time it did it in this predictable pattern, okay?
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_01: It was this predictable pattern.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: Then they would take people off the street.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_01: So these aren't meditators or anything, they would just take people off the street as their subjects, and they would say, I want you to think, watch these balls and think that most of the balls are gonna shift and fall into the left side.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, believe that they're gonna shift and go into the left side.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_01: And they would drop the balls, and lo and behold, they would go to the left side.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_01: Not all of them, but more would go to the left side.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_01: Then they'd say, Okay, now I want you to believe that the balls are gonna go to the right side.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_01: So they drop the balls, and the people are thinking, you're going to the right, you're going to the right, you're going to the right, and the balls went to the right.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_01: They also had um random number generators uh that they would test, and the people could influence the gen the random generators, the random number generators.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_01: So the whole point is God gave us this ability to create, right?
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_01: That we are creators, and you can create using your consciousness.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: So um, so you can heal the body, um, and you can do it by using the light that comes from inside you.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then, Joel, do we have time to talk about the food, the food component, or are we out of time?
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're uh oh we're over time.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, we're over time, definitely.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I wanted uh I I got up to get on the bookshelf you might see me uh to get this book.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so this uh tuning into nature by Phil Callahan Solar Energy, Infrared Radiation, and the Insect Communication System.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_00: So this book was written.
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_00: Let me see.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: This was written in uh 1975, copyright 1975.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_00: But this book is all about the about why some insects attack one field and don't attack another.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's all the the uh the antenna on insects are infrared radar that communicate in the infrared spectrum and pick up the energy field from uh from wheat or cabbage or tomatoes, and um and the and the um the incoherent um transmission from the plant either repels or attracts the pest insect radar picks up that transmission as to whether this is an acceptable plant to attack or an unacceptable plant to attack.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_01: That that perfectly fits in line with everything that we're talking about here.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I and I also couldn't help but think as we were going through all the you know atoms and all that stuff of uh of Colossians 1.17, um talking about Christ, and it says, He is before all things, and by him all things consist.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_00: And many, many Christian physicists use this use this verse to explain nobody knows how these atoms hold together.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_00: What holds these things together?
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, nobody really knows by him all these things consist.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, uh, it's pretty amazing.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_00: And if you listen, if your consciousness is that powerful, uh maybe we all ought to go to Las Vegas and and and and uh start start beaming uh beaming consciousness into the uh blackjack players, and we'll get a and we'll get yes, then we could all have homesteads with the money that we will that we earn.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, we we just got a a minute or two.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you wanna wanna kind of bring us to a yes, uh, a final point.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I'll wrap this up.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_01: We can talk about the food part of it on a different different podcast.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_01: So um I'm gonna bring this back to the beginning.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_01: That the I think that everything is coming back to light.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_01: So uh starting with the scripture that you just quoted, and then if you take that to the physical level, going from mitochondrial dysfunction, microbial imbalance, tight fascia, mental illness, chronic disease, um frazzled nervous systems and fatigue, right?
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_01: All of these areas that we are learning about in health, right?
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_01: You and now it's like even in this alternative space, you have healers and practitioners for now, all these different specialties, right?
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_01: So instead of going into the conventional system and now you're bounced around from one specialist to the next based on your symptoms.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_01: Now in our alternative system, because we're learning so much, we have kind of like I see them as specialties.
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like you go to this person who's the microbiome specialist, this person works on um fascial release, right?
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, this person can help you regulate your nervous system.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_01: So we're having a similar um kind of reductionist breakdown happening in this alternative space as we're trying to figure out how to heal dis-ease.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_01: And what I'm saying is that all of those different types of conditions and areas that we're studying, they all have the common denominator of light.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_01: The weaving, the thread that weaves them all together is a generation of lack of coherent light.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_01: And when our inner light becomes scrambled, your health becomes scrambled, it becomes diseased.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_01: So we're having a deficiency of light from external, uh uh, and we're having a deficiency of coherent light from inside, and there's a spiritual light that you spoke about.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm back to the conclusion that the future of nutrition, health, agriculture, it is going to be about harnessing and optimizing light.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd love in another podcast, Joel, we can talk about the food and agricultur agriculture part as well.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_00: So what oncologist, what oncologist would ask as a first question, do you hate anybody?
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean that that's that's what we're talking about, Cena.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's where it gets practical.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, for me, that and and um the the the the and if we and then if we put as much research in this aspect, including those seven non-physical elements of cancer healing, if we put as much if we put as much attention and investment in that arena as we've put in chemotherapy, pharmaceuticals, and that arena, who knows where we could be, which includes asking, who do you hate?
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right.
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's the first question.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, in the talk, I gave some take-home optional questions, like almost like homework for people.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the first questions is what emotion are you hanging on to?
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and like you said, and usually it it's it there's hatred and and there there's fear.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_01: So ultimately it all comes down to fear.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_01: So what what are you afraid of?
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, do you think do you think seeing I know we're out of time, but I just can't help it.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, do you think that I mean we all know sick people?
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean, that are going through um and and you know, uh um I don't expect to get sick, but you know, if I did get a chronic thing, I mean, you know, I'm getting a little bit older.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_00: And um do you think that many people don't know where their emotional stress points are?
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_00: In other words, they've got stuff.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'll say we, not they, we we have stuff uh that that we don't even realize we've got.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I hate somebody that I don't, I'm not thinking about them all the time, but I really do, or I would like to vengeance some, or I haven't forgiven someone, um, and I'm not even aware of it.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I think most people aren't aware because um it's become our norm that you know we're not really most of us are not taught uh emotional intelligence, and we're so we're not taught how to forgive, and we we often don't see it modeled um in our culture.
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I know my parents didn't model it for me.
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_00: So we don't even know you know, we're not we're not even taught charity.
• 1:13:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, so it's hard, you know, I I got rooked and I'm gonna get mine.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, or I'm a victim or I'm entitled, or or I mean it's a very uh and goodness, and then when you add to that, oh, I can't help it, TikTok culture, where the these comparisons and these feelings of shame and I'm not as pretty as she is, or I don't have as much money, or my parents don't take me on a kind of vacation that that per, I mean, there's all this inadequacy and all this, and it just it just feeds this.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um this is this is um this is a catastrophe.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_01: It it really is.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's a catastrophe because you have to become aware of it first, which is what we're trying to do here.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then you often need someone to help you identify it.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, friends can do this too, you know, helping each other um identify when someone's being very negative.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh my family does that.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_01: We'll remind each other, you know, oh, you're sounding kind of negative now.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_01: Let's turn this around, you know.
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, it can often be difficult to identify the emotions and then knowing how to actually release the emotions.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_01: And surprisingly, Joel, when people came to started coming to me for advice on how to reverse chronic diseases, chronic autoimmune diseases, I started on the physical, right?
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's what everyone's used to.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I tell you, I probably spend 90% of my time working with them on this energetic component because it's so foreign to us, you know, and I I'm and I'm still learning as well.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_01: I I have lots of tools in my toolkit to help me in various situations to be able to release different types of emotions, you know, to return my natural rhythm uh to to my body, uh, mind and spirit.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I will say that there's a positive, there's like some positive coming out of this.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_01: There's actually a field of study called psychooncology.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if if you've heard of that, but psycho oncology is actually designed to help people going through um the cancer journey, uh, focus on the psychological, social, and behavioral aspects.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_01: So they address the emotional components uh that's that they might be going through.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, of course, you know, you're gonna have a whole spectrum of quality of practitioners, but that's how much this has become recognized is that at least they're recognizing that there's an emotional journey to go through when you have the cancer.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but what I'm saying is there's some there's some recognition already of the emotions.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_01: Now we need to get them to understand that this is the root cause of it.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_01: But um, I my final, because I know we're out of time, but my final point I'll say on this is that as you know, Joel, I recently sent you some uh many studies on how forgiveness is linked with cancer reversal.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_01: And these studies have tied the emotions of like fear, for instance, to cancer development and progression.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_01: And then they also did studies showing that if the person had a positive perception right during the cancer, cancer journey, they were less likely to die of cancer.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_01: The the top trigger that they said um the top suppressed emotion, emotional trigger for cancer to develop and progress is anger.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, we we've got to wrap it up here.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um thank you, Cena.
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_00: This is um yeah, this all this isn't the last time we'll talk about this.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_00: This is uh this is powerful and profound stuff, and I hope everybody appreciates what Cena has put together here.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_00: So, my question for our our uh podcast family, my question is this this is very serious.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_00: I want you to think about a time that you've been wronged.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_00: We've all been wronged.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_00: How do you feel about that?
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_00: Where where are you on your on your feelings about that?
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_00: Is it is it is it still with you or have you let it go?
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be very transparent.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_00: There have been a couple of times in our our life here at the farm where we've gotten taken um a couple of times for thirty or forty thousand dollars from uh you know somebody that got a bunch of stuff from us and then didn't pay and then filed bankruptcy and you know, and we'll never we'll never see it again.
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I mean that's a wrong, you know.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_00: We we raised the chicken, we raised the cow, we took it, you know, and and and in good faith, and then we don't get paid for it.
• 1:18:23
  SPEAKER_00: And um, that's one that I've had to deal with, is is do I if is it okay, you know, or do I think do I dredge it up?
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_00: Do I think about it?
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Do I dwell on it?
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_00: Or is is it just totally forgiven?
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_00: And and if if they walked into the room today, I would can I come to where I would actually be happy to see them.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_00: Now it doesn't mean that I'm that I have to agree with everything, but it does mean that if they walked into my life today, you know, would I want to punch them in the face?
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's the difference here.
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and and forgiveness, true forgiveness is so much deeper than just whatever, not exerting anger or exerting vengeance.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_00: True forgiveness is is way off that spectrum of of uh of justice.
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and so I I would I would encourage our family here to take this, just take a moment, maybe close your eyes if you need to, but think about a time when you were wronged.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_00: We've all been wronged.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_00: And where are you emotionally on that on that incident?
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good one.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's probably the best one we've had.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Hey everybody, thanks for being with us again on another episode of Beyond Labels.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, we went about 15 minutes over, but I uh this was so good.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_00: I just it was rich, rich.
• 1:19:56
  SPEAKER_00: I I hope everybody here.
• 1:19:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um my my voice is quivering, actually.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is uh this is rich.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's rich stuff, and and nothing, nothing makes Cena and I happier than feeling like we have ministered practical truth that will that will send you then beyond labels in our culture, beyond cancer labels, beyond uh anger labels, beyond schizophrenia labels, whatever uh that we get beyond that.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_00: So thanks for being with us.
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_00: We look forward to being with you again next week.