Latest / Patriots Catch-22 / Patriots Catch-22 3/18: Latest NFL News, Roster Reset (offense), NFL Draft talk

Transcript

Patriots Catch-22 3/18: Latest NFL News, Roster Reset (offense), NFL Draft talk · Patriots Catch-22

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Aren't. Hello, everybody nailed it joined us always buy ours
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: bar Gas. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.
• 0:09
  Speaker 2: For what you know, I don't think Romeo Dobbs, I
• 0:12
  Speaker 2: don't know that they're there. To me right now, it's
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: like they're where they were. I don't think they're worse
• 0:16
  Speaker 2: and wide receiver, I don't think they're better. You know,
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: you hope there's some internal growth from some of those
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: young guys, especially Kyle Williams, and we'll see what happens there.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: So I think in a lot of ways too, they
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: just needed to get somebody in here that had turned
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: on his contract, that you know, had some longevity on
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: the contract. So no, he's god like designing. I think
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: he's a better player than I gave him credit for.
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying that because he's a Patriot. Now.
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: That's my favorite part about this time of year, Alex,
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: is when you have all these preconceived notions about players,
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: and we go through the draft and all this stuff,
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: and you watch all these guys and research all the
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: guys ahead of time, and then you get to the
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: draft and they put a little elvis on their helmet
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: and you're all of a sudden, You're like, you know,
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: I kind of like this guy, and it just like.
• 1:07
  Speaker 3: Changes your tune just a little bit.
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: I try not to do that too much, but it
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: does happen every time and time again. And I would
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: say Romeo Dobs that was number one in this free
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: agency class, where all of a sudden I started watching
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: him from a different lens and was like, all right,
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: actually I could see how they could use this guy.
• 1:25
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: Anyways, Evan Alex Barth, Alex behind the Glass. I like Ace.
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: Actually I like the nickname because then you both are
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: named Alex, and it gets a little bit confusing, so
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: like Ace just kind of narrows it down a little bit.
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: Start going, Ace behind the Glass and catch twoin two
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: will be with you for the next couple of hours,
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: talking Patriots, talking free agency, talking draft, talking NFL news.
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: I want to start there on today's show and just
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: talk about some of the stuff that's been going on
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: around the league. And the other thing I wanted to
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: mention off the top, Barth, is that the last two Wednesdays, Yeah,
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: as soon as we have signed off this show, about
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: within an hour of two o'clock, there has been major
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: Patriots breaking news two weeks ago. I believe it was
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: the reported Stefan Diggs release at the time. Last week,
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: they signed Kevin Byer literally forty five minutes after we
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: signed off on the show. So I'm not saying that
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: that has anything to do with us. I'm just saying,
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: what is the breaking news that is going to happen today?
• 2:34
  Speaker 3: Are they going to like trade for a J Brown?
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: The Patriots fans are waiting. I think if they did that,
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: we might have to turn around and come back into
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: the studio and I would come back. I'd come back.
• 2:47
  Speaker 3: At the fire back up. I think so.
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: But let's let's start with NFL news with this Jalen
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: Wattle trade, and then I do want to talk a
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: little bit about some of the free agent signings by
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: the Patrio that we didn't get to last week, like Byered,
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: but obviously yesterday big trade in the NFL. I think
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of different layers to this trade from
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: a Patriots angle, But the trade Jalen Waddle to the
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: Denver Broncos from the Miami Dolphins for a first third
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: and a fourth round pick swap, and we got that correct.
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: I thought it was just a fourth round pick and
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: then some people were throwing first third and fourth. Yeah,
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: they didn't swap picks, right, it was just a fourth,
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: third and fourth. I don't know. I think it was Okay,
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. Anyways, that's the general foundation of
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: the trade. So I think there's like three different angles.
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: It was oh yeah, yeah they did swap fourths.
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, first third and a fourth round pick swap for
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: a Jayalen Wattle. There's three different ways to look at
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: this trade. There is the Miami side of it as
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: an AFC East opponent. There is the Denver side of
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: it as a contender in the AFC at large way
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: to localise it, Evan, and then there's also the AJ
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: Brown angle to this whole thing of well, if Jalen
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: wattles going for first third and a fourth round pick swap,
• 4:13
  Speaker 1: is that the asking price for AJ Brown? Is AJ
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: Brown worth more? Is he worth less? And like where
• 4:18
  Speaker 1: does that all fall in? So where do you want
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: to start? Where? What do you think is the most
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: important element of those things?
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: Just in terms of like do you think that they
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: would have traded him in the division?
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: No, I don't either. I don't think if they were
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: I think it was the Patriot would have been a
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: godfather offer.
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: So I'm not like, it doesn't bug me too much
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: that they missed. I wouldn't even qualified as missing out.
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: This is not a move I would have considered for them.
• 4:45
  Speaker 2: That's just kind of how the NFL offseason works sometimes,
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: So right, you know the thing for me when it
• 4:53
  Speaker 2: comes to aj Brown and I was talking about this
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: on felberd Maz yesterday and I think there's like this
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: looming question that we aren't really discussed in this and
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: I kind of understand why.
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: But I'd like to bring it to the table right now.
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: So first of all, the bills, as they're one to do,
• 5:06
  Speaker 2: ruined everything for everybody.
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: I love, I knew. Am I wrong?
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: Is with DJ Moore worth a second round pick when
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: Deebo the year before, he is a very similar player,
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: gets traded for a fifth I.
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: Think that that DJ Moore is younger and better than
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: than Deebo. I don't know about younger in years on
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: this earth, but younger in terms of durability.
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: DJ Moore worth a second round pick?
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: No, The answer is no. You shouldn't have to think
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: about that. The answer is no.
• 5:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know I thought about it.
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: They skewed the market right. The value for a J.
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: Brown has been you go back to the dk METCALP
• 5:40
  Speaker 2: trade last year, you go back to the step digs
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: trade two years ago, has been a second in like
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: a high Day two pick, a high Day three pick,
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: and okay.
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: Like the market changes. I get that.
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: But right now, it's a fair ask for thirty one
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: Fraser Brown. Who's worth more in your mind? AJ Brown
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: or Jaylen Waddle?
• 6:00
  Speaker 3: Slightly? AJ Brown, but it's close.
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: It's close.
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: I think to me it comes down to fit maybe
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: with the team, but it's close.
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: It's about same. Right. So if I think a J.
• 6:09
  Speaker 1: Brown is a little bit better of a player, but
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle's a little younger, you're you're.
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: Paying a little more for production verse proven performance. Sure,
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: but okay, So if Jalen Waddle's worth let's say first,
• 6:18
  Speaker 2: the third and fourth round pick swap right, Yep, although
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: I think it was the Dolphins actually moved down in
• 6:25
  Speaker 2: the fourth, but first, third, fourth, whatever, Like AJ Brown,
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: A one in a three, if the one is the
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: thirty first overall pick, is probably a fair ask at
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: this point. Certainly, a one in a four is a
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: fair counter from the Patriots, maybe one to four and
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: something a sixth. If that, that's probably, and that's probably.
• 6:46
  Speaker 2: You know, these suitors are coming off the table. That
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: might be the best off of the Eagles get. But
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: the Patriots know that. And now these shooters are off
• 6:53
  Speaker 2: the table. What if they come in with a second.
• 6:55
  Speaker 2: Here's the question, because I have this long preamble, do
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: we think that Dolphins the Dolphins? Do we think the
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: Eagles would trade aj Brown for less than the comparable
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: market says he's worth, not the trade market. The trade
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: market is the best offer you have. If the best
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: offer you have doesn't match with what comparable players are
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: getting traded for, would the Eagles.
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: Hold on to him rather than lose the trade him
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: for less than he's worth? And that's it? And I
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: asked this as an open ended question. I don't know.
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not that familiar with how he rose, Like I'm
• 7:25
  Speaker 2: obviously very familiar with how he roseman, but like, I
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: don't cover him the way I cover this team the
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: world where the Eagles say the offer is not out
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: there that we want, We're just going to keep them,
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: And yet revisited the trade deadline or next cross the
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: season or whatever.
• 7:38
  Speaker 3: I Howie Roseman is not losing the training So.
• 7:40
  Speaker 2: I think that is a bigger I am more worried
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: about that than somebody coming in in offering more than
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: the Patriots. Right now, you look at the teams ahead
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: of them in the draft, if it's going to be
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: a first, the only team I look at that might
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: might do that is the Chiefs because they got that
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: pick after trading Trdente McDuffie twenty nine, right, twenty eight,
• 7:57
  Speaker 2: twenty nine, and then if it, if it, he gets
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: beyond the draft, and now you're talking about twenty twenty
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: seven picks, it's their value resets and it's a second
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: and a fourth. But that's the big question to me.
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: Is there a chance the Eagles elect to just hold
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: on to them?
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, so there's a couple of things there. I absolutely
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: think there's a chance that the Eagles would hold on
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: to him at least until the trade deadline, Like he's
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: still under.
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: Contract, not for not like not to say, okay, if
• 8:20
  Speaker 2: they don't trade him here, he's going to retire an Eagle.
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: But I mean go through ramp in the beginning of
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: the season.
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I don't think that Howie Roseman is
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: in any rush to trade aj Brown. It's just a
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: little bit of a tumultuous situation where there's some clashing
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: of personalities and clashing of ego and all that kind
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: of stuff. But I don't think that they're in this
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: like desperate hurry that we have to get this guy
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: off our team, right And.
• 8:47
  Speaker 3: He's also one of these jams.
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: And yesterday when we were talking about this on PU,
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: I compared him to Sam Presty in the NBA with
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: the Oklahoma City Thunder because he is the grim Reaper
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: right now, Like he's the guy that nobody wants to
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: trade with, right and there are like Stevens. Yeah, I mean,
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: I like to think Brad's in a similar category, but
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: I went with Sam Presty instead because not a Homer, okay,
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: and the Thunder chance, and.
• 9:15
  Speaker 3: He's the GM in the NFL right now.
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is that everybody kind of feels like is
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: operating on a higher plane than the rest of the league,
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: Like he is a smarter human being and a better
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: general manager than everybody else. There's Howie Roseman and then
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: there's thirty one other guys, and so when you look
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: at it, this way. I just I have a hard
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: time believing that Howie Roseman and Fred kind of brought
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: this up a little bit, like whether it's ego driven
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: or it's just being.
• 9:44
  Speaker 3: Shrewd and being good at his job.
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe that he is going
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: to make any sort of trade involving AJ Brown that
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: could perceived as him losing the trade. It just doesn't
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: seem like that's the type of guy he is. And
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: he has all the leverage, he has the player, he
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: has the player under contract, and he has a good team.
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: So there's like no reason for the Eagles to be
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: in a rush to trade AJ Brown anywhere. You know.
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: I think with Jalen Waddle it kind of happened in
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: a similar I don't think the Dolphins went into the
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: offseason thinking they were trading Jalen Wattle.
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of reporting them. They didn't want to, right.
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: I think that this was a really good offer. Yeah,
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: and they and given where they are as an organization,
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: they took it. And I think, you know, we can
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: talk about d AJ Brown of it all.
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: I look at AJ Brown.
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: As maybe a slightly better player, but an older player
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: that might be more a little bit more on the downswing,
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: whereas Jalen Wattle is probably still at his peak and
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: his prime as of right now. You mentioned the second
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: and the fourth thing. You know, both these guys, but
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: especially I would say AJ Brown is a better player
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: than DK Metcalf. So like, that's that price for DK Metcalf. Well,
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: DK was a second in like a five to six swap, right,
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: and or you know that price for a thirty one
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: to thirty two year old Stefon Diggs.
• 10:59
  Speaker 3: I think it's more for AJ Brown.
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that was really the baseline of
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: that trade he got. Diggs was coming off in a
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: great season.
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: He was, but he was he's over thirty.
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: He was over thirty, so he needed a new contract, right,
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: But he's over thirty at the time, like a J.
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: Brown's only twenty eight, like entering his age twenty nine season.
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: It feels like he's older because he's been in the
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: league a little while and he.
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: Plays such older digs two years older when they made that.
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. So just regardless of all that, I
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: think it's also really fascinating from a Miami Dolphins AFC
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: East standpoint, because just looking at.
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: One more thing on AJ Brown. Yeah, quick, the follow
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: up to my question about what the dolph with the
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: Eagles hold on with the offers not there? What he
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: forced his way out and then the Patriots get him
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: for like nothing.
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I guess the reporting on that
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: is that he would prefer to be traded. Yeah, he
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: kind of feels the same way.
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: Like that was Shifter right yesterday who basically said he
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: said he got as close to saying he wants a
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: trade without saying he wants to try.
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think that that's how both sides feel.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: I think both sides would probably prefer to move on,
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: but they also know that it's a pretty good setup
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: for AJ Brown and Philadelphia and the Eagles get a
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: good player and AJ Brown has a good situation on
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: a good football team. So I don't think either side
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: is requesting trades or anything like that because it doesn't
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: have to happen, you know.
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: It's just one of those things that, yeah.
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: Like we had my drothers, like, I'd probably want to
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: play elsewhere at this point, but I don't. I don't
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: need to. I'm not in a desperate I'm you know,
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: at the Hurts counter like trying to get the hell
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: out of Philadelphia. So I think that that's where we're
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: at with doubt. As far as the Dolphins and you know,
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: just the AFC East, I commend them for understanding where
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: they're at and understanding that they are a couple of
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: offseasons away from being competitive again, especially because they don't
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: have a quarterback. I'm not counting Malik Willis as a
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: quarterback right now unless he plays really well with now
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: an offense that doesn't have a lot around him. So
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine that that's gonna be the case. So
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: John Eric Sullivan, their new general manager, Jeff Hafley, their
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: new head coach, like, they have some leash there.
• 13:18
  Speaker 3: They just got there, So they're.
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: Not they're not even if they win three two three
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: games next year, they're not probably going to get fired
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: unless it's an absolute crap show, which I don't think
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: it will be.
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: So they have some leash here, they have some runway.
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: I just look at this Dolphins team and I look
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: at the Jets and I just don't understand what they're doing.
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: I kind of the Jets are just gonna bought them out.
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: But the Jets are botting up for the second year
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: in a row.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no quarterback this year, but like unless they
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: take if they take Tye Simpson, I'll be very confused.
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: But the Jets to me, and I said this yesterday,
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: like the Jets, at some point you have to start
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: winning some football.
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's when they get the quarterback.
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, but you how long are you are you?
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: Realistically and let's face it, like Aaron Glenn was teetering
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: last year, like he was right on the line of
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: one and done. Coach right, there was a real conversation
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: about that next year.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: I think next year, so better quarterback class. The idea
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: is you sink to the bottom. You know, who knows
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: what the class wand up being. But there's a lot
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: of players people like it supposed to be much better
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: quarterback class. I don't know that, that's my guess.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: I just always feel like that sounds great, that sounds
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: that sounds great, And then you get into the season
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: and it's November and December and you're two and eleven
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: for the second year in a row, and the coach
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: isn't really showing many signs of progress. He's not you know,
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: the team's not showing any signs of progress. You have
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: similar issues that you're talking about first year head coach.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: I think this is a big reason why the Patriots
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: moved on from Drod Mayo as quickly as they did.
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Also, we're trying to like give the Jets benefit of
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: doubt here.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: The Dolphins are more Why.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: Are we giving the Jets any benefit of the Doubt's
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: the Jets.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: I'm saying that that we're trying to ascribe logic to
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: what they're doing. Oh Okay, the Dolphins make less sense
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: to me because they did have and maybe they want
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: to reset their roster right and they they did.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Have some pieces like that weren't bad players.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: Waddle was certainly one of them, if you want to
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: go to the bus. So it's a copycat league. I
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: think a lot of teams are going to look at
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: what the Patriots did and say, we got to get
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: to the bottom. We've got to get to the quarterback.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: We gotta have one big year in free agency. You
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: look what the Titans are doing, Like the Titans offseason
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: this year, they're signing stuff on digs away from basically
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: copying the Patriots homework word for word. Yeah, So if
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: you're the Dolphins, and that's what you're doing, Like, all right,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: we're gonna blow the roster up, new coach, new GM.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: We want to start out with fine, And this is
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: nothing against Milik Willis. Why do you pay Malik Willis
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: all that money?
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: And if people you know, I've heard some people say,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: well they believe in Malik Willis and they just wanted
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: to get him in the building, Well, then keep Jalen
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: Wattle and you know, hit the ground running.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: You're trying to do both at the same time.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: And like the Dolphins confused me a lot more. We
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: can argue whether or not it's the right idea for
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: the Jets to go to the bottom for the second
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: year in a row, but I think that's what they're doing,
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: whether it's right or round.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean right, there's no doubt.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: What are the Dolphins doing.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: I just know that.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: And I guess this is more from a coaching angle
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: than it is you know, a higher level general manager
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: team president. Jets brought their GM back to right.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: I do is this his second year on the job
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: or first?
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: I think this is his second year actually, so, because
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: if it's a new GM, then that changes things. Now
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: he was there last year. Okay, Darren Mogen.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew he was new. I didn't know if
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: This is January twenty five. So the whole point that
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of getting out with all of this is like,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: at some point you need to start winning games. And
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you need to be the Patriots
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: and go from four and thirteen to fourteen and three, right,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: but you have to show a step forward in a
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: sign of some progress, because it's very easy to sit
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: here in March and say we're just gonna stink and
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: we know it. Then once you get into the season
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: and it's December and January and the losing starts to
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: pile up, and that starts to seep into your program
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: and your coaches up on the podium three four times
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: a week and getting peppered with questions about you know,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: where are you going as an organization and all this
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: different type of stuff.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Owners in this league get cold.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Feet, They get impatient, They get worried about the public
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: image of it all. They get worried about the fans
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: are saying and the fans are thinking there's nobody coming
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: to the games. Like, they get worried about all these
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: things right, and then that if I'm Aaron Glenn and
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: less so as Jeff Hafley because he just got there.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: But at some point, like you need to start winning
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: football games because it's not it's not enough to just
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: have like this sort of yeah yeah, yeah, like we're
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: we know we're not gonna be good.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: It's fine, Like just go out there and coach.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: That's that sounds great in the offseason. Once you get
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: to December and it's you see how bad it is,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: then that's a whole different story. If I'm a Patriots
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: fan and I'm looking at the Dolphins and the Jets especially,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I would say the Miami Dolphins because I think the
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins are purposely trying to to lose games at
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: this point. I'm not saying I know that they had
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: that in their history. I'm just saying, like their roster
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: to me, like trading Jalen Waddle and stripping that roster down,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: like they seem determined.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: To kind of strip the roster like that.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: That seems like the goal here, you know, to a
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Tyree kill Jalen Wattle, Bradley Chubb, like that team is
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: going down to the studs. But both those teams like
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: those are four free wins. If I'm a Patriots fan,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: right like, when you get the schedule in May and
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: you're looking at it, you're saying, well, we know that
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: they're starting at the floor of four and l because
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: they have four wins between the Jets and Dolphins. The
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: other thing, I just and then we can move on
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: with the with the Jets. I don't understand the Geno
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: thing just as much as I don't understand the Malik
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Willis thing.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: And at least the Malik Willis thing has some upside.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Like at least the Malik Willis thing, there is a
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: chance that Malik Willis is good. We don't know enough
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: right and in the little flashes that we saw of
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: him playing in Green Bay, there is at least a
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: sliver of hope that he could actually be a franchise quarterback.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: We know what Gino Smith is and it's not good.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: It hasn't been good for a couple of years. To me,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: It's like if I was the Jets and maybe they
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: just didn't have the interest from the player side. But
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: like Kyler Murray is out there, he even Tua is
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: out there like that, at least like the reclamation project
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: thing exists with that right as a we saw this
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: was Sam Darnold, which you know the first time with Seattle.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: You know, like you see these.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Mayfield They're they're just trying to get to the bottom
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: and get in position for one of these guys next year.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Arch Dante more Ligway saying like, sure, I think that
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: that's just what they're trying to do.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I get we win some games eventually.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: The difference to me again is that we can argue
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: whether or not the Jets are doing the right thing.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I more or less know and understand what the Jets
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: are trying to do. I don't know what the Dolphins
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: are trying to do, and they might not know what
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: they're trying to do.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know what either of these teams are trying
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: to do. If you're trying to win football games, I
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: don't know what you're trying to do. Anyways, moving on
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: from that, we did get a little bit of coaching
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: staff news from the Patriots in the last couple of days.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I wanted to hit on quickly, so Drell Williams' assistant
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: head coach, that is his official title, Zach Corr now
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: officially official again, I think we kind of you know,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Raybill confirmed it at the combine, so it's not totally news.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Defensive coordinator Vinnie de Palma, who was basically the inside
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: linebackers coach last year when Zach Korr had to elevate
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: the play caller. Yeah, last year, he's going to take
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: over at inside linebackers. They added three new coaches to
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the coaching staff, including Charles London, who has some experience
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: in the league, some experience with Rabel pass game coordinator
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: with Mike Rabel in twenty twenty three quarterbacks coach. So
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a coach in Charles London that has
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: some chops like he has some experience in the league
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: and has some you know, has been a high ranking
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: coach before on a staff and then to Coaster their
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: offensive line assistant. So now they have three offensive line
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: coaches again with Ryan Cooler leading Robert Cooler. Ryan Couler
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: is the director, Robert Coogler leaving to the Pittsburgh Steelers.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: So they have that going on again with the line coaches.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: But just your reaction thoughts on Terrell Williams in his
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: new title. I think it's still going to be a
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: lot of defense focus. Yeah.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, good for them for figuring out a way
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: to keep everybody on board, right, and Zach Korr deserved
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: the promotion, but you'd hate to see Trell Williams lose
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: his spot because he was dealing with the serious illness.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: So keeps everybody involved in it's you know, it sounded
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: like last year once he you know, came back in
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: the capacity that he did. And we don't know exactly
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: what Terrell Williams did, but like sounds like he was
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: just kind of a senior defensive advisor sort of thing. Yeah,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and clearly that worked, like the defense was very good
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: down the stretch. So it sounds like they've just kind
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: of formalized the titles to keep everything the way it
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: was last year was it don't change up the mac
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: and cheese. I guess we'll leave that in twenty twenty five,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: new team, new saying. But it allows them to kind
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: of function It sounds like the same way they functioned
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: for most of last year, which obviously worked.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So we talked to a Vaybel on Patriots
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: dot COmON at the combine and I asked him if
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: he could go into more detail about Terrell Williams's exact
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: role in terms of at the time we didn't know
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the title, but in what it's going to be, and
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: he said that it's going to be very much still
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: defense heavy, you know, and he's going to be doing
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of coordinating type of responsibilities, presenting, you know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: talking to the players and meetings, a lot of focus
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: obviously on his expertise on the defensive line and developing
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: defensive linemen as well. And then he also just mentioned
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: sort of an overarching culture building and extending Mike Rabel's
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: message without within the walls, you know, and that sort
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: of thing, and sort of just being another extension of
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Mike Rabel and setting the culture as well. But I
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: it's unfortunate how this all went down, of course, and
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I want to be sensitive to that. But at the
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: same time, this does feel like a really good role
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: for Terrell Williams in terms of what I understand of
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: him as a coach, Like he seems like more of
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: a developer of players, a mentor type figure, a really good,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: you know, fundamentals type of coach, really a really good,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: big picture type of guy.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: He's more and I mean, this is no slice just
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: usually you put coaches into one of two baskets, yeah,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: player development and like schemer.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you put the more in the player development. Yeah.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: And Zach Kora I think has sort of the scheming
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: play calling a sort of gene within him. So to
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: kind of get the combination of those two guys I
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: think is really good.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: You know, you want a good mix, it's usually hard
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: to get it from one person.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not exactly the same because of where they are,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: you know, their titles and things like that. But before
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: it went belly up with the Patriots at the end
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: with Bill Belichick, like Girod Mao and Steve Belichick kind
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: of had a good thing going on on the defensive
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: side of the ball there for a couple of years
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: before you know, twenty one twenty two, Like those were
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: good seasons on the defense, and Girod Mayo was much
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: more sort of the big picture culture tone setting, you know,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: player developer type of coach, and uh and Steve was
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: really the the because of the nose and the mastermind,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: you know, making the play calls and all that kind
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: of stuff. And this is gonna sort of make a
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: similar sort of approach, just hopefully with more success, you
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: know in terms of team teams winning, you know, in
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: terms of wins and losses. But all good stuff there.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: And the last thing I wanted to cover before we
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: get into our exercise here on the roster reset on offense.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: We didn't. We weren't on the show for you know,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Kevin Byerd. He signs with the Patriots forty five minutes
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: after we signed off.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I heard a couple Julian Hill was that team too,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: and Mike Brown.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna mention Jillian Hill as well. I
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: think that's another one that's worth bringing up. But what
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the buyered signing?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I love it, I love it. What was my big
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: thing that I wanted them to do on defense?
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this playmakers playmakers, he gets the football. He's also
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: a good veteran still playing at a high level. If
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: they're going to this, I understand that they're going to
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: the more multiple safety, Like we're not going to have
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: the box safety and the free Safety're gonna have a
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: couple of guys that can do both and move them around.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: But if they need to put guy, everybody's better at
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: one thing than the other. There really aren't any guys
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: that are truly just as good as so when they
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: kind of have to snap into strength on strength. Greig
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Woodson more of a box safety, Kevin Byard more of
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: a free safety. So they fit the mold even though
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: both guys are have to have some good what's the term.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I'm looking for flexibility or whatever.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: That's not the word.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: But I like the signing, I really do. I still
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: want them to add a safety.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I've been big on this. You know this. I want
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: them to have.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: The flexibility of three safety stats. Bayard is also thirty
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: three years old, so you got to kind of think
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: about and on one of your deal. So you got
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: to think about life after him. But man, so you're
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: gonna have and Greig Woodson a great, great rookie year,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: but it is a workier like there's always run to grow, right,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have a second year safety in Craig Woodson.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: They should add somebody in the draft. What a great
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: mentor to have for a young safety room too, can
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: kind of do you hope what Morgan Moses did for
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: that offensive line room at pound for pound probably my
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: favorite signing that they made. I think that the whole
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: free agency great, great move.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: You weren't you were patting the table for more turnovers
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and just looking at it right now. And I know
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that the numbers improved with the playoffs, but let's face it,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of that was c J. Stroud in the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: in the Texans game, Like you know, they had what
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: five turnovers in one game there, but they only first
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: forced a nineteen takeaway. Yeah. Regular season they were boughtom
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: half of the league. Yeah, which was if I'm just
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: eyeballing it, like tied for like twenty twenty first nineteenth.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I'm just looking at it on PFR. So, nineteen turnovers
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: produced last year by the Patriots defense. Kevin Byer produced
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: seven all by his loan, yeah, last year. So certainly
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: checks that box. He obviously has a great comfort level
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: with the defense and with the system and with the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: coaching staff. So you talk about mentoring Craig Woodson like
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: you did, it's not even just that this guy has
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: longevity in the league. He also knows the defense like
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the back of his hand, right, So there's a you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: both elements there that he's able to check both boxes
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: and try try to bring you know, Craig Woodson along.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: You watched it, You watched safeties yesterday, Right, I have
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I have some thoughts on are we going to do
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: a recency buy?
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have something on them in the second hour.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: The other thing that I would just mention with the
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Bayered thing. This happens sometimes at safety a lot like
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: it happens at quarterback. Where As the player ages, he
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: might decline in terms of his athleticism a little bit
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: incrementally each season.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: But what he declines with athletically, he gains.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: In knowledge answers to the test. Baby. Right, and this
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: guy when you turn on the tape of Kevin Byrd
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: and granted some of the interceptions. I was texting you
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: about this after the signing. Some of the interceptions weren't
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: against the great quarterback. He didn't have a couple off
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: He had at least one off JJ.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: But you know what you talked about, You talked about
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: with the Jets and the Dolphins might be bringing to
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the table this year.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Well, Gino's in the division. He picked off Geno twice.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, I will say I mentioned this before about Geno.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: The one thing you say about Geno Smith that guy's
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: a metash comes to Giett Stadium his last two games
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: at Jalette Stadium there he tore the Patriots, including this
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: year with the Raiders, he tore the Patriots up.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: He also had one in garbage time against Joe Milton. However,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I when I watched all of them, I didn't necessarily
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: think that any of them were There's one against Jared
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Goff that was on a tip throw.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: There were the other six were legit picks like these
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: were not.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, you know, Devin mccorty used to have those against
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, where he just standing, you know what? Fun?
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: That wasn't this though.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: But you know what, also in the NFL, just nowadays,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: and sometimes it's the schedule is act, what kind.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Of quarterbacks do you play?
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: More like the Zach Wilson, JJ McCarthy types or the
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: you know better ones.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I was trying to think of a guy, couldn't think
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: what who else did hetch? Jared Goff?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: The Jared Goff's yeh, Josh Allen's yeah.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: So Jared Goff was the one that that was a
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: tip throw. He picked off Jalen Hurts, all right, He
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: picked off whoever was starting at for the Saint set
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: the time. I don't know if it was shuck Er
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler, so not exactly like a world beater.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: But again, there's more of those quarterbacks in the league
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: than yeah, then the the Josh Allen's and even like
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: the Jalen hurtses.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: So he did a lot of.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Back to the good parts of it, though I have
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: not seen a lot of safeties that have the route recognition, instincts, anticipation. Basically,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: we can all put this under the bucket of ball hawking.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Like this guy, he understands exactly what you're trying to
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: do to the defense, Like this route's gonna clear me out,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and this route's gonna fill in, and I, you know,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit here, but I'm not going to
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: overplay the route because i want him to throw it.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna make it look like it's open for
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: a split second and then I'm gonna jump the route
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna go the other way. His instincts and
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: his route recognition and anticipation are elite to lead to
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: lead like really really really good some of the best
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: that I've probably seen during like this era. Like obviously
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: you go back to like the Ed Reids and stuff
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: like that, but Bayern is just looking at the production too.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: He's one of the best ballhawks of his era. I
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: don't think that's hyperbole to say that. You know, he's
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: been an interception machine throughout his entire career, so that's exciting.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Because I do think that they needed to turn the
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: defense so the offense over more. I think I think
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: they needed to have more takeaways.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: They need to be more playmakers on defense. You're very preventive,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: but they need to be more playmakers. And thanks the
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: person the chat. The word was versatility. I believe I
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: forgot that.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: The one other thing I would say about the Buyers
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: signing though, And look, some of this was just his
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: usage last year with Chicago, But when I watched him
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: either playing man to man or matching receivers like it's
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: man to man down the field, those instances were a
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: little bit shaky, like I didn't necessarily love him in
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: those types.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Of receivers meaning pass catchers or receivers meeting literally wide receivers.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Either like either slot receivers like Romeo Dobbs who got away.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about him covering tight ends? It
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: depends on how good the tight end is. If we're
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: talking about a below average, like a you know, low
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: level starting tight end in this league. I think they
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: could probably get away with it if you're talking about
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: one of these dynamic receiving tight ends. You know, if
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: they're playing Buffalo and it's Dawson Knox or it's Dalton Kincaid.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I don't love that matchup for Kevin byern So in Chicago,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: they kind of got a beat on that and sort
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: of recognized at this stage of his career, this is
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: a guy that needs to be watching the quarterback size
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and jumping routes like that, that's what we want this
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: player to be doing. So they played him almost exclusively
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: up top in the middle of the field as a
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: deep safety. Now he'll rotate down and you know, do
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: all the different types of post snap coverage rotation type stuff.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: But he was a help zone defender, like he was
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: not playing a whole lot of man to man When
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: he was in Tennessee with Rabel, you saw a little
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: bit more of the man to man stuff kind of
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: what the Patriots did with their safeties last year, where
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: you know he's covering the slot. You know, he's carrying
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: slot verticals if they go from three by one to
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: do by two with motion. Now they're going to check
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: in this thing where the safety has a slot receiver
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: in Manta man like little nuances like that. I don't
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: know if I would love him in those spots. And
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: you just mentioned kind of safety still being in need
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and still attacking that and all that kind of stuff.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I think that that's where they might need to still
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: dip into the safety market. Is we want Craig Woodson
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to be on all three levels and doing his thing.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: You want him to fly around like he did last
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: year and play a bunch of different wear a bunch
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: of different hats. You want Kevin Byer in the deep
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: part of the field doing his ball howking thing. So
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that third safety then becomes a factor of whether it's
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: covering the slot, whether it's covering tight ends, whether it's
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: playing in the box, like all these different types of things.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Like that's the type of guy that I think if
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: you're just looking to acquire or draft somebody that's complimentary
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: to what you have and not necessarily looking at who's
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: going to start on this team twenty twenty seven and beyond,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: you're looking for that type of player, But does that
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: contradict their starting sort of traits long term, you understand
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like that might be the best player
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty six Patriots, but is that the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: best player for the Patriots twenty twenty seven before everybody?
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: You know, you're not gonna find a guy that's just
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: equal fifty to fifty bucks and free, Like most guys
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: are better at one thing, even if they can do both.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: So you find a guy who's more polished as a
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: box safety, who you think has some upside to play
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: on the back end, and you bring him along primarily
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: playing near the line of scrimmage, with the idea that
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: in a year or two, you know at you're gonna
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: coach him up on expanding his role to play more
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: on the on the back end of things, and then
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: down the road he'll do more of that. That would be,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: to me the kind of guy you're looking for. So
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: you know, I know you watched them these guys yesterday.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I did AJ Halsey. I freaking love AJ hawlsey Man.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: That dude is a missile.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the most fun like, hard hitting enforcing safety
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: in this group. Yeah, this doesn't McNeil Warren right like that.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: The Patriots take as a key, Wheatley would be a guy.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: He's like a pure free safety to me. I think
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: he plays deep okay, the Penn State kid, Yeah yeah,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I think I think he's an uptime.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if you watch VJ. Payne from Kendasy,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: I watched him this morning.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: The Three Guys. I really VJ. Payne was weird to me,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to do some of this in recency bias,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: but it's topical right now. VJ. Pain, I didn't want
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: to give you one more thing after this. He ran
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: a four four, but he doesn't play like he ran
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: a four to four, and I don't know if that
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: is mental.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that was.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: My thing, Like he popped at the combine and I
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: was like, who the heck is this guy?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then when you turn on the tape, he
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't look like a dude that runs a four to four.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: So whether again that's a mental hurdle, like instincts.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: At the combine, like he just moved really naturally to combine.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, he just doesn't.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: He doesn't like show that kind of speed on tape, okay,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: And so that that was my one hesitation with him,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: But I think he can do a lot of the
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: different things that you know, they they expect their safeties
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: to do. You know, I really like Bud Clark from TCU.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I think that if you're looking for a Craig Woodson
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: type safety, if you just want to have that Craig
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Woodson Jalen Hawkins interchangeable safety type of thing going on,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Bud Clark does all the different things that they want
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: to do. He can match in quarters, he can play
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: some manta man, he can play over the top, he
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: can come downhill and fill the run. Like there are
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: all those different elements that they ask their safeties to do.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Those are like the three or four main boxes. I
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: would say you need to be able to cover from
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: depth because when you play quarters, they're gonna get matched
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: up on the slot occasionally, whether it's quarters or it's bunch,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: you know, formation rules and stuff like that. There are
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: times where the Patriots safeties get matched up on slot receivers.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: So you have to be able to cover like that.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: You have to be able to cover out of quarters
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: too and catch guys from down the field. You know,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: you're playing at like nine ten eleven yards off the ball,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and you have to be able to catch those guys
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: down the field. You have to be able to play
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: split or post over the top. You know, you have
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: range from sideline to sideline. And then I would say
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: those are the three most important boxes. And then the
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: last box you would check is if you can bring
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: some physicality and down hill, you know, thumping to the
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: blitz and run game, then like that's an added bonus
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: cherry on top. They did a lot more of that
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: obviously in the playoffs than they did in the regular season,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: but that's sort of the cherry on top. And that's
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: this is why they moved away from Jabrill Peppers and
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Kyle Duggar because those two guys were not playing with
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: that kind of range at the safety position, and they
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: need guys that can cover, like they need guys that
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: can cover a lot.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: So then let me ask you one more thing you
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: talked about. You know, if they add this third safety,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: you probably wanted to be a box guy, but you
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: also need somebody to develop as the free safety, like
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: the box roles would exist right now, So you need
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: somebody to develop as the free safety behind byered, you know,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: you're burning two roster spots here.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: But what if you took a guy like Wheatley.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Or whatever, one of these guys that you think profiles
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: more is a deep safety, and then you drafted either
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: like Kyle Lewis or Harold Perkins as coverage line coverage
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: line back to do so you split the role between
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: two players.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: You could do that. You could absolutely do that.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: And I texted you yesterday, I'm yeah, he was one
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: of my recency bias guys. Let's just do recent he
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: lies well. Harold Perkins was just on my list because
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the rules, the movement skills are just so obvious, Like
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: he's just a great athlete, and I think that there's
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: always a combination of these things. You know, he gets
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: injured in twenty four. Do you watch any of him
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: before the injury. I didn't, but I know that he
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: was more explosive and a better athlete pre injury, which
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: makes sense. But he, you know, injures himself in twenty four,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: has the torn acl He comes back in twenty five.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: He doesn't quite have the same burst and explosiveness and
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: closing speed, but you still see a lot of the
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: athletic traits. You see a lot of the versatility to
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: play the star what they call the star, which is
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: the nickel and a lot of defenses.
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: You know, he has that ability about him too. He
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: has some pass rush ability because of his history as
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: a pass rusher, really good pass so looking blitz and
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: stuff like that as well from off the b There's
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: just a lot to like about him as a player.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: And you're probably gonna get him lower than he was
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: expected to go. And I think he was expecting a
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: top fifteen Peca and so this is a combination though
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: of like he got hurt ye and then he also
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: kind of didn't live up to the LSU hype right,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Like he's at LSU. He was living up to it
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: before he got hurt. Yeah, but he's wearing number seven
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: and like all that whole thing. And so now everybody,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I feel like the market has just you know, soured
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: on him completely. It's a good linebacker.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: I thought that he that he.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Looked like a guy that could really help a guy.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: You know, right now, he's expected to go early day three.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: They have that pick at one twenty five. You could
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: even move up a little bit with those four to six.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: He's just a really good football player, and you know,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: two years off the knee, and he's still young. I
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: think he's twenty two years old. Two years off the knee,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: you expect him to get some more of that explosiveness back,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: some more of that twitch back. He's entering his eight
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: twenty two season, turns twenty two and September, so he's
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: still really young, still has a lot of runway.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I if you tell me to take him at sixty
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: two sixty three, I would say there's probably better linebackers
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: on the board. But fourth, for what we've seen him
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: do in the past before the injury and the fact
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: that he because people well you didn't want them taking
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Chris Bell, that's a lot higher. And he's coming directly
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: off the ear. We've at least seen Harold Perkins back
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: on the football field. He's made some plays. Maybe not
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: the rad he did, but he's made some plays. I
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I think that that he rules. I would love to
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: see him be a Patriot. Okay, did you watch Kyle
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Lewis too?
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Or I did watch Kyle Lewis and I see them
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: kind of similarly. You know, guys that you know what
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I really liked about Kyle Lewis is that he made
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of plays on the other side of the
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Yeah, he could shoot gaps and he
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: could really get on the other side of the line
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: against the run or like an end around er jet sweep.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: He just shot right in the backfield and made the
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: tackle in the backfield. He has some of that coverage flexibility.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I think that he's more of a natural zone dropper.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: But that's okay. But you talk about you know, I
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: just talk about all the split safety stuff they do
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: with the quarters stuff and the Cover two stuff. You
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: can put him as the pole runner in the middle
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: of Cover two. You can put him as a hook
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: defender in quarters, which are not easy assignments for most linebackers,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Like when you ask guys like that to either have
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: eyes to the front side of the formation and carry
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: verticals from the other side or run right up the
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: shoot of the middle of the field at you know,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: linebacker size, like those are not easy things to do.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: But Kyle Lewis is a guy that could probably do that.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I wish he was a little bit more physical, you know,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: in terms of his run fits and things like that,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: and you know, he's more of like I'm going to
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: shoot gaps and get on and you use my speed
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: to get on the other side of the line and
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: not necessarily something that's like compressing space and taking on
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: blockers and things like that. I think Harold Perkins has
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: a little bit more of that take on, you know,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: twitch and power to his game, probably because of his
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: past rushing days, so like he has a little bit
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: more of that, you know in his game. But both
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: those guys, I feel like are are pretty similar. I
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: guess Kyle Lewis probably goes a little bit higher, just
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: because this tape last year was better.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not coming out, he doesn't have to knee
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: injury history. But they're similar those two guys. In Halsey, man,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I just you put one of those three guys in
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: the middle of your defense, and I think you're good
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: that those are guys can get their hands on the football,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: or you just recreate LSU. Take Halsey and Perkins and
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: They Halsey was fun.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: He's He's one of those players though that has some
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: wartz for sure, Like if you put him into a
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: deep safety and if you put him in foot races
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: and like things like that, then it's not going to
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: go so well for him.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: So there's moments on there's a lot of peaks and valleys.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: On his heat.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Do you view him almost like a linebacker?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like a like a hybrid safety. Yeah, you know,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: like a just like they used to use, like a
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: guy like Kyle Duggar. Now he's the biggest safety in
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: this class. Like that was the one thing I had
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: about these safeties when I was going through him. Halsey's
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen pounds and at least acquording to
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: he's probably more than that my draftable. Yeah, that is
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: the biggest safety in the class in terms of weight.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: It's even bigger than McNeil Warren because McNeil Warren is
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit leaner, Like he's like six three two ten.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Uh So this is not a big safety class now,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Is that because a lot of those guys that were
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: too twenty plus or technically linebackers, like we just mentioned
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Kyle Lewis. I think in a past life, Kyle Lewis
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: twenty years ago might have been considered to a lot
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: of people to be a safety. But now in today's
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: day and age, he's a linebacker. And as I was
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: going through the linebackers, you know, I'm writing down to
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: twenty to twenty five a lot, and I'm like, okay, well,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: these guys are just modern linebackers. These guys used to
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: be strong safeties, right, so the safety is in this group. Uh.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: To me, if there's one, I don't even know if
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: it's a knock.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: But there weren't a whole lot of guys that were
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: A big and B were like real true tone setters,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: like enforcing type of safeties. There are a lot of
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: guys that can cover though. You know, we we mentioned
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: a couple of them. But you know, I was watching
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: the kid from from Arizona this morning. What's his name?
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: It's escaping me.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, the hybrid corner safety.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Genesis Smith, right, something like that. He's good.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: No, No, not him, it's Genesis.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: They have a couple hyperd guys. Yeah. So he can
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: play the slot or he can play free. He played
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: free last year and twenty five played more of the
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: slot twenty twenty four. Uh, so he can do a
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: little bit of both. Kill Gore is a slot to me,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: true nickel, Uh, bigger nickel. Then you have a guy
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: like Ramsey from USC who's a really good cover player
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: in the deep part of the field. You know, there's
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys like that in this class that
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: are really, really good in coverage. I just was wanting
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: more in terms of physicality and what they brought in
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: the run game. But if you had physicality and we're
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: really good in coverage, then you're Dylan.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Dynaman and then you're right.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: But that that was just my thoughts on the safety class.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Uh, let's let's get into the other exercise that we
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: wanted to do. You know, we can talk more about
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: draft prospects throughout this entire thing, so plenty more to
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: do on the draft there. But as I normally do,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I we wanted to reset the roster here post free agency.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Uh we'll start with offense this week, and then next
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: week we'll do defense. We'll get to a couple of
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: positions and we'll take a break and we'll finish up
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: on the other side of the break. But we can
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: start with quarterback and that will be quick and easy.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Uh So three quarterbacks right now on the roster. Uh,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: some guy named Drake May, Joshua Dobbs, and Tommy DeVito.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: So I think that you know the facilitation question here,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: which is how I kind of set this up I'll
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: read the names and then I have my my host question,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: uh to present to the to the group, is this it?
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Like are they senate quarterback?
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: They'll add they'll add a fourth guy forgetting right, but like,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: is it Ben Woolridge or is it somebodys so someone
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: a little bit better.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you know how much you know
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: about Joe Fagnano.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Not a ton so he was.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: He's like, I think, seven year college player, he played
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: it Maine for most of his career, went to Yukon
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: last year. Is only year as a full time starter.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Through twenty eight touchdowns and one pick. And you know,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: he's got good size six three to twenty five, like
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: just accurate, kind of understands the guests.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: He's the game well, you know, for he's played a
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: lot of football.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: For guy coming out of the Dragons, Josh McDaniel's third
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: or fourth quarterback, Okay, he's probably gonna go you know,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: late day three or undrafted.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: So we're we're definitely and we're both aligned in the
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: fact that the the if they add a quarterback, it's
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: going to be six seventh round UDFA priority free agent
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: type of status. We're not talking about them actually using
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: a legitimate draft pick. Let's call it top one fifty
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: on a quarterback this year. I got obviously the backup
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Drake may or not.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I butchered that name, by the way, Uh Finano
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I got.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I'm terrible with names.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got one more for you, a quarterback.
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: Did you why?
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Because I asked you this? I don't think you watched him,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: but I'm just gonna ask did you watch Haynes King?
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: No? From Georgia Tech.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I wonder if Hayes King's future in the NFL is
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: at another position? Okay, and that could be something.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: He's gonna go late tick he gets drafted.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Uh more physical like he's not. He's he's really good
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: with the ball in his hands. He just you watch
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: him at Georgia Tech. He's just like a winning football player,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Like he makes plays. Ran a four four six forty
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: with a three eight nine three cone of the combine.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: He's six two to twelve. He's just not developed enough
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: as a passer, and he's already older. I think he
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: was in college for five years. Like, I mean, the lazy,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: the lazy comp is uh take some hill. Yeah, and
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: he's probably more of a running back than the tight end.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: But like, okay, out of that that, he's probably on
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: my radar more than any quarterback.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Adding an athlete back there that maybe is a in
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: the quarterback stuff with Yeah, yeah, okay, I guess I
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: could feel that. I I don't think that. You know,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: when the Tommy DeVito contract numbers came out, there's a
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: lot of WHOA, that's a lot of that's a backup
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: quarterback contract. I think it could be. I don't see
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: them moving on from Joshua Dobbs. Maybe they do that
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: after this season. I think Dobbs is only on a
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: two year contract contract. Yeah, but I think this is
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: pretty much it.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Just do me a favorite at some point, wat change King.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll try. Let's move on to the running backs.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I got five running backs on the roster currently, ramondra Stephenson,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Treveon Henderson, Terrell Jennings, Land Larison, and Elijah Mitchell signed
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: a futures deal, so he's still here as well. My
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: question to you is this, because you know my disdain
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: for drafting running backs, they should Here's my question though,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Just allow me to facilitate. Are we ruling out Land,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Larison or Terrell Jennings as a third running back. I
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: more specifically want to talk about Land Larison, Yeah, because
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: he's sort of the forgotten one because of the injury
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: in this group.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Or do they need to look to the draft.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Not rolling them out?
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: But I would like to have more competition for that
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: spot than Larison and Jennings. I also I need realist,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: like it's real way too early to do this. Do
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: we think they can get Land Larrison in the practice squad?
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Do we think they get Jennings practice?
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Who the heck knows what happens in camp, Like if
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: he has a great and then he went with the job.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: But like we saw how fast that that depth evaporates
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: that you want four guys in the building. Now you
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: only need three on the roster, but you want four
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: in a building, or maybe you draft some guy late
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: and he's the one you get on the practice squad.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I want to see him at a running back. I
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: don't think they need to do it in the top
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: one fifty. But even with that one seventy one pick,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: I think is their fifth round pick. Like, yeah, I
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: do think they should add a running back. I want
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: more competition in that room. Demon Claiborne somebody I look
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: at from Wake Forest. You know there are some guys
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: later that might go undrafted. I'm guessing you haven't watch
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: ja not so. Jay Nott's interesting because he was like
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: the man at Cal as a sophomore. Then he got
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: hurt and he transferred to Oklahoma and he just kind
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: of never played. So it's there's one unbelievable and he
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: looks like at Josh McDaniel's running back. I mean, you
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: watch him at Cal and it's he's such a fit
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: for the Patriots, but he hasn't done anything in like
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: three years. So is that a guy you take a
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: flyer on late or is he udfa kind of similar?
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: More of a powerback. CJ.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Donaldson was awesome. He's a converted tight end. His makeup
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: super interesting. Was that West Virginia It was really good.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Transferred to Ohio State, got buried on the depth chart
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: behind a guy.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: How about this? He goes by Bo Jackson because he
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to go you know, he doesn't want to
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: get confused by the guy who's really near. I don't
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: know that's why.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: But like his nickname is bo Jackson, his real name
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: is Lamar Jackson.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: So he doesn't want to go by Lamar. So it was
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: by Bo the generational guy.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know that's for sure why, but I find
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: that amusing. But anyway, there's a bunch of running backs
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: you can get like it's not a good runs and
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: guys like and Adam Randall. Adam Randall might go too high. Yeah,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: his stock is shooting way up. And I know he
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: was here yesterday.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Did you watch him?
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: I've seen a couple of highlights of him.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: I haven't really and watched as the highlights I saw
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of them were him playing receiver. He hasn't
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: played running back down well.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So, I mean, which is fine, Like, but
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: I gotta you gotta watch it. He took a thirty visit.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: I know you don't like watching the Day three running
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: back I watch.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: I know I'm not rolling out Larison.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I just want more competition. Sure, I think the question
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: with Larison is just, uh, you know, I look at
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Larison as a pass game player. I think that that's
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: how he's going to succeed in the NFL. Now, is
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: there a little bit of you know, some versatility to
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: run the ball in sub package and catch passes kind
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: of like James White's role, where like James White still
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: ran the ball a little bit when they spread it out,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't like early down you know bell cow
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: type of running. Maybe that's the case a runner a
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: little bit. He's like so good in the.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: Spring last year as a receiver.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Mike comf for him remains Brandon Bolden.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: He's not as big as Brandon, He's not as big as.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: A band in Brandon Bolden, but mainly a special team's guy.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: But he keep him as your last running back.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: He can catch the guy you're described.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: I I will know Rex burke Hat had a bigger
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: offensive role.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: So you don't think that land Nearrison is going to
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: play as much on offense as Burkhead. Not immediately, maybe
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: in a couple of years, but you don't think he
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: like do you think he has the potential because Brandon
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Bolden is a twenty twenty six Brandon Bolden's in a
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: break glass in case of emergency running back for the Patriots.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe a little more than that, right right, Ed Kidd
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: played like as a factor, he played a feature role.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Sometimes factor he was a factor back except whatever's in
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: between that. But in twenty twenty six, closer to Bolden.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: I'm not giving up my Landlarrison stock.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: I will I'm not either, Like I'm not, but I
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: liked what I saw last spring. The injury was obviously unfortunate,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: but if you look at what he did last spring
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: and then before he got hurt in training camp, like,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit of something there. I do,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: so I would hold out hope there. They want to
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: throw a sixth round pick, they have four six round picks,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: so if they want to use one of those picks
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: on a running back, I'm not like, no one's going
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: to lose any sleep over that. I'm not going to,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: you know, be mad at them for it or anything
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: like that. But you're invested in Remandra Stevenson, You're invested
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: heavily in Trevon Henderson as a top second round pick.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Part of investing in those guys is making sure you're
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: not running them into the ground. Sure, so I think
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: the guy that can kick a third guy. They don't
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: need to spend anything significant.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: I tell you, like one seventy one if they want
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: to trade up a little bit, like I fifth round
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: to meets the ceiling for taking a running back, but
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: they should take one or get one of those udfas
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: that I like.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Potentially, I would say kick return.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: To like it a lot of those guys I just
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: named her.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Potentially on a kick returner right as well. So interesting
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: group there with the running backs. Let's do the tight
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: ends and then we'll take a break. So at tight
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: end as of right down, I I combine this with
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: tight ends and full backs. We have Hunter, Henry, Julian Hill, CJ. Dupree,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Reggie Gilliam, brock Lampy technically Jack Westover as of right
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: now on the exclusive rights free agent tender, and Marshall
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Lang tight end that is kicking around on a futures
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: contract as well. So we know Henry, Hill, Gilliam are
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: all going to be here. I don't know what they
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: do in terms of their depth at full back. It
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: just maybe one of those guys sticks around on the
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: practice squad just in case Gilliam gets hurt, right and
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: they have.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: A backup full back.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I think the biggest question that I have going in,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: and we didn't talk enough about Julian Hill because we
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: got kind of sidetracked. So we can do that here
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Does adding a pure blocking tight end
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: like Julian Hill change the draft outlook in terms of
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: the type of tight end that you're looking for them
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: to add, Like, now, would you feel more comfortable because
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: I'm usually anti this, but would you feel more comfortable
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: with a true move with the slot receiver tight end
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: and like an Eli Stores or Michael Trigg or somebody
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: And like Michael Trigg, I also like Taikwon right by
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: the way, that's the day three version of He's the
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: day three version Michael Trigg. I think it opens the
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: door more for it in the immediate But part of
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: the drafting a tight end take to me this year,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: especially if you're gonna take a guy on the higher end.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: And Sam Rousch has moved right up to the edge
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: of the top one hundred on the consensus board. Oscar
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: delp Ran a four to four to eight today he
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: might be a top one hundred pick.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Part part of the draw there if you're taking a
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: guy high is this isn't your tight end to long term.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: This is the guy that's eventually going to step in
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: front Henry and I want that tight end that's gonna
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: be on the field most of the time to be
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: able to do everything. If you draft Michael Trigg, or
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: you draft Justin Joe Lee, or you draft Tanner Kozial, Right,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: that's your tight that's a long term tight end too.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: You still, I still would want them to come back
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: next year. Okay, who are you drafting to be the
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: well rounded tight end to play next to that guy?
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Whereas if you draft again delp Claire or Roush, like
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: that guy's eventually stepping in for Hunter Henry and then
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: maybe next year you go find the pure receiver tight
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: end too, You go find your Mike is Sicki or whoever.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: So you know they're better suited for it this year. Sure,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: it makes it a little easier to handle one of
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: those picks, I think, but I still want them to
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: take a more long term approach at this position, and
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: to me, that includes a blocking element.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I've watched a handful of these guys, so
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: you have you know Stowers right, Yeah, Trigg, Eli, Raridon,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I'd probably throw in this receiving tight end.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: He's bigger.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: I think he can block a little bit. No, No,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: he's he's too he's too tall. Jack injuries injuries from Tenris. Yeah,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: you know, I think you watch Cozy a lot of
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: people like, Yeah, I wasn't as high on him as
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: some others, you know, but Rared and Injuries are two
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: guys I think that have like maybe frames that they
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: could fill out, Like they're not Stowers and Trig Stowers
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: and trigger slot receiver.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Did you watch one more? Did you watch right?
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: No? Not yet. But the one guy that I would
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: say stood out to me out of this group, and
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: I know we're both Sam Rousch people, Dalen Bentley from Utah,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I think, is another guy that has that more well
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: rounded thing going on. He's two fifty plus, but he
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: can move, He's athletic, catch the ball well. I really
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: liked what I saw out of him. I thought that
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: that was a good, perfect blend of like sort of
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: size six four, two fifty good athlete, gets up the
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: field well, contract the ball over his shoulder, up the seam.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I really liked what I saw out of him. Maybe
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: someone like him or Rausch, I think they're both kind
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: of similar type of players. Roush is a little bit bigger,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: but both those types of guys to me, are a
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: little bit more of the well rounded type. But I
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: am cautiously coming around to maybe getting a little bit
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: more receiving pure receiving upside.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: I think it helps you in twenty six. Yeah, it
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: definitely helps you more in twenty six now than it
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: would have before. It's just maybe no again, we're still
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: gonna come back next year, saying they need to find
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: their like number one tight end.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, where are you with Max Claire?
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Because I feel like I see people that are super
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: high on Max Claire out of Ohio State, like surefire
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: second round pick type, yeah, you know player, and then
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I think that there's some people that are on a
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: little bit lower on him.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm probably not as high as most people. I
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: think he's projected to be like a late second early
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: third round pick. That's probably about right. I don't see,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: and you know, the the boards changing post combat, I
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: didn't see the gap so wide between him and like
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Rausch and Delp that I was like, well, if I
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: can get him at yeah, sixty three, because you have
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: to take him at sixty th right, or raushit ninety
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: or Delp at ninety six or Raushit one twenty five. Like,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't think the GAP's that big now
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: that those guys are shooting up maybe you know, shooting
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: up the board maybe becomes more of a conversation, but
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: I still would rather I think he's a good player.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: I'd still rather take Rauscher Delp a little bit later.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: I think you're gonna end up in about the same place.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: I think that's the thing with this tight end class
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: that it's been.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: There's so much depth. I really don't need You don't
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: need to rush to take a tight end.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Right, and there's certain guys that you're gonna have to
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: take it sixty three. I don't even know if Stower
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: is gonna make it to sixty three, but let's just
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: say he does. You know he's there at sixty three.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Max Claire, I think you would have to take it
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: sixty three. Trigg and Jolly, maybe you could get it
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: at the end of the third round. Maybe you know,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Trigg is really limited in terms of his size. The
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: cool thing with Trigg is just like he's got that
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: catch radius. Yeah, so that he's a great athlete. May
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: he makes a lot of sense. Specifically, I wasn't a
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: huge fan of Jolly.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I thought he was stiff.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: He's a lower centered center of gravity guy. I think
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: he's only like sixty two. He's a little bit stiff
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: in his movement. It's like a good linear athlete, like
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: I think he can run seams and things like that,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: but I didn't really see a whole lot of change
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: of direction with him.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: As a player.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: So then you get kind of into the delps in
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: the in the injuries, and the in the raridans and
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: the roushes, you know that that sort of tear. I
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: think that the tight end sweet spot for them is
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: the fourth round. I really do. I think the top
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: their first fourth round pick, one of these guys that
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: we're talking about right now is still gonna be there.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Uh and maybe even two of them in the fourth round.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: It just feels like, you know, like you said, the
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: guys in the top one hundred versus the guys that
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: are gonna go there. I just don't think there's a.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Even things start flying off the board like it ninety six.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: I could be sold on the right guys, So sure,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Jolie to me is interesting, you said that like little
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: John new smithish.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just you know, I don't really uh, I
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: get concerned about guys that are stiff that at pretty
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: much every position like I I maybe it's like Johnny
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Nikhil Harry PTSD where it's just like these guys that
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: are kind of more clunky, rigid type of movers like
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Jolie I think can run the scene and get up
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: to a good speed doing that, but if you ask
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: him to actually make a cut those guys in this offense,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: it's not a great history. It's a concern. Yeah, all right,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and when we come back,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: we'll finish this up.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: Whether you're in the game or betting on the game,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 7: you'll need a game plan. DraftKings Sportsbook, the official sports
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: betting partner of the New England Patriots, provides you with
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: everything you need to build your personal betting game plan
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 7: so you can get in on all the action while
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 7: practicing safe bets. Visit DraftKings dot com Slash Responsible dash
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 7: Gaming to learn more about all the safe betting tools
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: DraftKings has to offer. Hope is here eight hundred and
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 7: three two seven fifty to fifty or gambling Helplinema dot
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 7: org must be twenty one plus. Play it smart from
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: the start game. Sincema dot com physically president Massachusetts, see
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 7: DraftKings dot com slash Responsible dash Gaming for details and
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 7: statespecific responsible gambling resources.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 8: Isn't it time to get exactly what you want? Welcome
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 8: to Red Hot Deal Days from Verizon, where you get
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 8: your pick of our best deals like my Plan, where
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 8: you can pick the person you want and save on
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 8: everyone for limited time. Bring your own phones to a
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 8: Verizon store and you can get my plan for our
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 8: best price ever. Get exactly what you want on your
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 8: phone plan and only pay for what you need. Bring
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 8: your phone to your Verizons towards day and get my plan.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 8: These deals won't last. It's your Verizon.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 9: The heaviest metal credit card of all time, wielded at
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 9: business dinners like a samurai sword. It's a classic corporate
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 9: power move, but the real power move, having end to
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 9: end visibility on your most critical shipments fed X the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 9: new power move.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: If you're gonna play the game Boy, you gotta learn
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: to play it right.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: DraftKings is all about responsible game. It's more fun when
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: it's for fun, so played responsibly. Draft Kings.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: The Crown is.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 8: Yours gambling problem called twenty hundred Gambler twenty one plus.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 8: Agent eligibility varies by jurisdiction.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Catch twenty two catch catch catch catch, catch, catch cat
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: catch twenty catch.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: Catch catch catch, catch catch two.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Spring is sprung, and if you want to get more
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: from your tax refund, why not Bob's Discount Furniture to
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: help shop Bob's the latest Spring dining styles like the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: top rated Elm featuring a real marble's table perfect for
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: hosting big brunches and game day parties, or the versatile
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Betty collection which comes in multiple winning colors and heights.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: So stop in or shop online and get more for
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: less with Bob's at Discount Furniture, the official furniture store
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: of the New England Patriots. All right, let's get into
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: the last couple of positions here and then we'll take
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: your calls in here quickly.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: A little bit of Patriots breaking news, okay, I said
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: the studio in the break Cortner, Ryan Fatler. They I'm
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: just bring up because we just talked about him. Is
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: a Key Wheatley Top thirty visit.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 10: I like it.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: So there's a safety for you. So we just talked
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: about him a little bit. I think that he's a
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: pure coverage player, Like he's definitely a good athlete. Fluid
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: can play a sideline to sideline, good range over the
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: top of the defense. I wouldn't necessarily say that he's
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: a big time, you know, box player, not a big
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: time physical guy. But I think what we saw last
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: year Alex with the way that they are moving at safety,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: we mentioned you know, Pepper's and Dugger again, Like, I
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: don't think that I'm not saying that they want guys
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: that can't hit, like, that's not the right way to
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: put it, but they certainly want guys that can cover
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: and cover a lot of grass and cover a lot
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: of space before they start worrying about what that player
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: is going to do up at the line of scrimmage.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: And I think that's sort of how they feel about it.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: And I mentioned to you just now off the air,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I wonder if some of that's a little bit just
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: like Mike Raable as a outside linebacker in his career,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: being like, let's let the two hundred and fifty plus
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: pound guys worry about stopping the run and let's have
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: the safeties, you know, protect against the past. So they
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: want their safeties to be pass game players, like they
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: want their safeties to be cover guys first. And I
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: think that we leave from Penn State definitely fits that
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: mold like he's that type of dude for sure. So
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: there you go in the building him and Adam Rain.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Should we take these calls because these guys have been
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: waiting for a while, and then we'll finish up the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: roster reseat here, Patty's an aguan.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: What's up Patty?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 11: Hey, good afternoon guys. First off, Evan, I just want
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 11: to say I loved your take yesterday. I'll see you
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 11: about the Patriots and not boxing themselves into a corner
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 11: with a J. Brown, you know, because they have to
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 11: it made. It would just make sense for them to
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 11: take a receiver in the draft. That way, they they
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 11: don't lose a little bit of leverage there. They need
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 11: upgrade their receiver anyway, And I did want to talk
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 11: up about two receivers. One of them is Antonio Brown
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 11: and Alex Dammit, you kind of stole my take. I
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 11: got a feeling, and I had this feeling for the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 11: last couple of weeks. I just I haven't really like
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 11: called or talked about it because I think there's been
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 11: a lot of fatigued regarding the player. But I think
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 11: if we get into the first week of June, and
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 11: there's like no deal in place. I could see this
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 11: thing getting really ugly, and I could see, like you know,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 11: I could see Brabele not wanting to move up his
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 11: spot of giving up a first round pick, and like
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 11: him and Howie Roseman getting into a big piston contest,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 11: and eventually AJ Brown is just gonna shoot his way
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 11: out of town. That's the opinion I have. I could
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 11: just see it getting to that point. That X wide
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 11: receiver I want to bring up is Top Douglas. Now,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 11: let's rewind till last summer. I went to two practices,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 11: the first Saturday practice and the joint practice with the
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 11: Washington Commanders. I had the pleasure of meeting both of you,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 11: respectively on each one of those practices. But I'll say,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 11: and I think coming out of just the training camp
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 11: practices in general, the Mario Douglas was the best player
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 11: on the field on those two practices that I witnessed.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 11: I didn't get a chance to really watch the defense
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 11: on the joint practice, but he was the best player.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 11: And it just hasn't translated into production on the field.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 11: And we're going into what you're four with him. I
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 11: think it's time that we make an upgrade. And I
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 11: hate to say that because I do like I do
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 11: like the player, I like the skill set, but and
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 11: I don't think it has a problem. I don't think
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 11: it has anything to do with his height because May's
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 11: favorite receiver at North Carolina was Josh Downs and I'm
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 11: going to keep pounding the table for this guy. But
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 11: if if we're going to get a just a completely
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 11: slat centric receiver, I love Skylar Bell in that position.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 11: He does that position versatility, but he's great at all
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 11: three levels too. I just wanted to get your guys
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 11: take on that, and I'll take it out there.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: And thinks thanks for the call of Patty.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing with Pop to me is
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: is between the years.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Like it's route running, it's feel for zone, it's knowing
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: what you know, where the leverage read is, and understanding
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: all the options that are involved in playing the thought
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: role in this offense. I don't think that Pop Douglas's
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: problem is physical by any means, whether it's height or
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: it's separation ability. In fact, he's probably the best pure
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: separator they have on the team, just in terms of
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: the metrics and all that kind of stuff. But The
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: problem with him is is when when to sit in
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: the zone, Where to sit in the zone, when to
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: break in, when to break out, you know, reacting quickly
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: to those types of things too, and not you know,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: having the luxury of time in a league like the
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: NFL where things happened so quickly. If he can develop
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: in that area of his game, I think he made
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: some strides in that area last year, just not enough.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: You know that that role in a Josh McDaniel's offense
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: is a thinking man's role.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would bet on him growing rather than rushing
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: to replace. And like Patty brings up Skylar Bell, Right,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: that's top one hundred pick. Right, Pop Douglas played twenty
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: six percent of the snaps last year. Yeah, so you're
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: talking about maybe not getting one of those tight ends.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: We were talking about not getting one of those safeties.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: I would say in theory tackle, I don't know what
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: tackle you're taking there, but like, right, do you really
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: want to use a top one hundred pick to move
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: off a guy who played to replace a guy who
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: played twenty six percent of the staffs last year. And
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: I'd rather count on just internal growth from Pop Douglas
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: and the next year, you know he's penning for agent
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: that's a little different. And then on top of that,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: like if you're adding aj Brown to this mix, how
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: much does that role decrease on top of that? So
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: I just if you want to draft the not gadget guy,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: but like if you want to draft somebody who's a
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: gadget slot right, if you want to draft one of
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: those guys later in the draft, by all means, I
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: don't think you know you're creating a hole that you're
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: planning on filling with the top one hundred pick.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Just keep the player.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: So I think the thing with Pop too is and
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: then we can move on.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: But when last year you're gonna do with when he
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: started to kind of emerge a little bit, it was
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: down the field.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Which is what I've been saying for years him down
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: the field.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: It was vertical routes down the field.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: I remember I wrote something about him midway through the
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: season last year when he had like right after the
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: same schame, maybe when he had the big touchdown in
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: New Orleans of like his a dot and his average
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: target depth just skyrocketing. And now all of a sudden,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: the production is coming with it because they're targeting him
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: deeper down the field. When you try to turn him
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: into you know, the Wes Welker Julian Edelman chain moving slot.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: It hasn't gone as well.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: He caught the slant against Houston in the playoff game
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: and that was probably the brief moment of that sort
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: of flashing a little bit, but the first level production
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: has not been there when he has been a vertical
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: slot and they have targeted him further down the field.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: That's what he was doing at Liberty in college. That
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: might just be what he's more comfortab.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: Run him down the field. That's what I've been saying.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Zach is in New Hampshire. What's up Zach?
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 11: Thiy guys, Thanks to Tack my call, no problem.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: Just wanted to say, really glad you talked about Harold Perkins.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: I called him to Unfiltered a couple weeks go and
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: asked about him. He's one of my favorite potential players
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: for the Patriots. And then my question is who are
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: some players in this draft that you guys would be
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: willing to trade up from thirty one for? Like how
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: far would you be willing to trade up and what
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: do you think it would cost? Thanks?
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Guys problem. Thanks for the call, Zach, good question. I
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: just wrote something about this today. So what the couple
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: names that come to mind in terms of trading up.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: I was reading Daniel Jeremiah's mock draft yesterday, and I
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: know everybody's upset that he took a nose tackle for
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: the Patriots in thirty one. Do you see where he
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: had Sadiq going. No, he had him going twenty seven
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: to the San Francisco for a nine. I don't know
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: So he had him sliding a little bit.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: The other name and we got an email from this
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: I think is from Barton Poland that I've been seeing
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit of traction. I think we touched on
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: this a little bit last week was Jordan Tyson and
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: I bart said that maybe there was some concerns about medicals.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: I hadn't heard that. Maybe Dame, but Dame, but I.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Don't know if it's like a current medical issue. But
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: he's had a history.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's okay. All three of his seasons have
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: ended early because of injury. So Dame Brugler had him
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: going twenty four in his mock. Nate Tys had him
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: going twenty nine. So to me, That's where we're at, right,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: which is what if you can get like that big
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: time playmaker on offense to fall a little bit and
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: let's say it's Sadiq or it's Jordan Tyson or whoever
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: is there at starting at twenty twenty one, twenty two,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Like now I'm starting to think, like this guy, you
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: could you can make an immediate impact by drafts, so
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: real quick.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: Jordan Tyson as a freshman season ended, he tours a CL,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: MCL and PCL.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah that then Jorn Tyson did this. Yeah that's who
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: were talking about. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know that. I'm
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: not saying you're wrong.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: I was in twenty twenty two. I'm reading from Lansus Luis.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: That obviously limited him in twenty twenty three. Yeah, twenty
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: four he I think he played the whole regular season,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: either broke his collarbone in the playoff game or broke
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: it and couldn't play in the playoff game. But that
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: season end with the broken collarbone, and then he had
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: some like nagging hamstring issues last year that he missed
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: time on and off. So he's he has an injury history.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, now he's played through more possible than I like
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: he I think he played through some of that hamstring
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: stuff when he wasn't expected to.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: But he's maybe more possible than I thought because of that,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: like Thailand wise.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: But does that change your opinion of Gaggingham No, not.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: If I'm the Patriots, because I think with the Patriots,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: they need to kind of go for ceiling and they
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: need to go for they need to take a home
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: run swing. So if you're getting a player of Jordan
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Tyson's caliber, just talent on the field, like this is
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: the type of guy I've watched probably field well, you know,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: I love fifteen to twenty receivers at this point in
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: this draft. He Makayle Lemon and Carnel Tate. I didn't
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: watch because I didn't think that there was any chance
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: that the Patriots are going to be able to draft him.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: So if you're telling me that they're going to get
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: one of those guys that I shaved off the top
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: because I didn't think that he would not work, to
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: watch him. But I don't know.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've watched enough of them to know that
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: he's a stuff.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: The one other name I've kind of seen falling and
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: this is another guy that I really didn't. This is
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: kind of on my to do list this week. I
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: didn't do a ton of work on just because I
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: thought he was going to go too high. But now
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: he's falling. Is Cayden Proctor?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know play?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: You know projects is a right tackle. Some people have
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: him moving inside a guard. I think he should be
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: able to play tackle. Would if he falls do you
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: draft him to kind of be the Morgan Moses replacement?
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Would you trade up? And I don't think he's fallowing
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: up thirty one?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: But uh, you know how I feel about this. I
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: want their draft pick to play right away. And I
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: feel that way about Bake Miller. I feel that way
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: about Caden Proctor. I feel that way about Iana Chor
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: Like what if for some like the idea of red shirting,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: I just don't think they're there yet.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: So I know there was just because felderm has asked
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: me this yesterday, I don't know if there's any truth
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: to it. Like if they taken a J Brown, they
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: have to move on from Money Mike when win who
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: does doesn't have guarantee Money's contract?
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Would you draft Hims a right guard and with the
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: idea he's gonna move to tackle. Maybe I don't see
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: him as a guard though I don't either. He's too big, yeah,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: I think he's literally too tall, too big, Yeah, plays
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: too high to playguard. So on the topic of trades though, yes,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: so I wrote this yesterday. Do say some guy called in.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw this out.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Some guy called in to sports some Sunday kickoff and said,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: I don't understand the value of draft.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: Picks, and I don't know the history of draft picks
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: being traded.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: I do this every year in my notes. Some years
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: I publish it, some years I don't. I did it
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: this year. Here's the history, the last six years of trading,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: the thirty first pick up and down. So you tell
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: me if you would make these trades. Uh, the one
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: last year thirty one down to thirty two and they
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: added one sixty four.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Meh, that's not Also not really what we're talking about,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: going down to thirty two. Yeah no, that was just
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: to Pollie Roseman was bored and probably to avoid somebody
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: coming up from behind.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: That This is also I included picks around it. Well,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: that one's actually irrelevant. Here we go, Bill's I all
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: want to do trade ups. Let me find the trade
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: ups here, here we go twenty twenty two. The Chiefs
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: traded twenty nine, So you're gonna have to give up
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: a little more than this because it's twenty nine, not
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: thirty one. Twenty nine ninety four in one twenty one
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: to the Patriots for twenty one.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: That's the cold strange trade. That's the cold strange trade.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: Would you want the Patriots to make a comparable move
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: twenty nine in Hatriots have thirty one, ninety six and
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: one twenty five, so you're probably gonna have to throw
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: something else in there.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: I would probably entertain that, or maybe.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: That was for twenty one. Maybe you move up to
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: twenty three or twenty four instead of twenty one. I
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: would probably entertain that trade. Okay, I don't, but I
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: think it all depends on who you're going up for. Right, Well,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: let's let's use Jordan Tyson as the example. You're obviously
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: moving up for a player, right right, I mean, you
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: know who is it? Let's call it? Let me let
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: me look at the Is it Jordan Tyson or is
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: it Cayden Procter? Because now I feel very differently.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: Let's say that, like for a player you want, that's
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: what it's gonna take. Let's say you're moving up, Tom.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: I would entertain that trade idea.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: You know that you have to jump the bills of
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: twenty six Chicago's at twenty five. Let's say it's that
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: to get up to twenty five.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: Sure, Okay, that seems like a lot to get up
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: to twenty five. I thought you said twenty one.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: Well, but that was twenty nine, ninety four and one
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: twenty one, not thirty one ninety six and one second five.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: I got you. It's I think the issue that I
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: I have with these trades if moving up, is more
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: so that I don't necessarily think that they need starters
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: at all these positions.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: They need depth, But they need depth like.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Linebacker, safety, tight end. Uh, Like where's the even I
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: would say, offensive line, you know, when they're inside or
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: outside way, where's the depth coming from?
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: If they need to make I don't know if they
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: need to make eleven picks and you make a lot
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: of picks.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, here's two more and they but they don't need
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: them all to be starters. They just need all but
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: you can get depth on the roster and contributing. Yeah. Uh.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty eight, the Packers traded thirty and one
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: thirty six for twenty six, so.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: That I would be more call it into I just
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: don't know if you that why you would need to
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: do that, but I.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because in between let's say you're doing that, Let's
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: say you do it to move up to twenty five,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: like the Bills are twenty six, are taking a receiver.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: Probably if you want to get Jordan Tice, you're going
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: to have to jump bills that I don't understand that's
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: why you would do it. They do so many things
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: that they just traded for. They just traded for DJ Moore,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: so maybe they don't feel like they need to do that.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: I've got one more for you. This was in twenty twenty.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: Also in twenty twenty. This is does involve the thirty
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: first pick. Okay, the Niners traded thirty one, one seventeen
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: in one seventy six. The Patriots have picks all within
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: that range. To the Vikings for twenty five, that was
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: to move up and get Brandon Nayuk. So for the Patriots,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: the equivalent of that would probably be thirty one, one,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: twenty five and one seventy one.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: That I could probably handle. Okay, because now we're talking
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: like one seventy, we're outside the top one fifty one
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: twenty five is even fringy. Yeah, in terms of having
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: starter upside out of a pick like that realistically, So just.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: The reason I run through that exercise, yes, kind of
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: gives you an idea of what it's going to cost
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: to move up. It's going to be obviously thirty you've
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: moved up to thirty one. Depending on how high you
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: want to go, it's either gonna be ninety six or
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: one twenty five, and then probably one seventy one, depending
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: on how high you're trying to get. That's probably what
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: it's going to cost you to move up about five
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: or six spots. And if you want to talk about
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: the big trade up, they don't have the ammunition for
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: this right now. They would have to make a second trade.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, the Lions moved up from thirty
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: two to twelve.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: Oh god, they gave.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Up thirty two, thirty four, and sixty six for twelve and.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Forty six capital, So they'd have to give they would
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: have to find an extra second round pick someone, they'd
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: have to give up a twenty twenty seven pick, or they.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Would have to give up something to add a second
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: round pick this year.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: Oh like a like a trade, like a pre draft trade. Yeah,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, but that's to get up to twelve. I don't
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: think they need to do that. Just for those who
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: are curious, that's that's the comp.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, Let's get back to the roster reset. We have
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: offensive line and wide receiver to go. I saved the
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: wide receiver for last Let's start with the interior offensive line.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: So the big four Jared Wilson, Elijah Vera Tucker, Mike Onwentno,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: Ben Brown, and then Makai Butler, Andrew Rupich and Kidden
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Wallets are still on the roster as well. The question
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: that I posed here, you obviously drafted top one hundred
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: player in Jared Wilson. Last year, you signed a expensive
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: guard in Elijah Aaron Tucker. You're paying an expensive guard
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: in mike On Wenthu. So I don't think that this
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: is moving around in terms of the top four. Ben
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Brown is the super sub exactly where he needs to be, right.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: The question with this group as we look to the
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: draft and beyond, are we prepping for life after mike
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: On Weno this offseason because I think before Elijah Veritucker signing,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: I was digging into guards. We were talking guards guards.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Now that we're out of this sort of free agency process,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: with a highly paid guard in Elijah Vertucker, it's a
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: lot of assets to sink into the interior offensive line
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: if you go sign Elijah Vera Tucker, draft Jared Wilson
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: last year, and then draft another top one hundred guard
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: this year. Even though I like the guard class, it's
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: a lot to look at to sink into one spot.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: I think there's guys that, you know, you talk about
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: a project player. I think there's guys can get on
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: day three. I wouldn't be I wouldn't mind a day
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: three guard.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: Sure, you know they want to add you know, like.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: Armag Reed Adams is a guy I like on day
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: three who I think could step in for Mike and
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: Winnu the guard from Georgia. They have like a big,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: nasty right guard, Michael Morris. I forget which they have
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: two guards in the same round more.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: I think he was the one that had the good
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: combine too. Okay, Yeah, that's what I'm thinking of that
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: you're you're talking, you know.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: If they want to type the Miami Tap, the Miami
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: Pipeline Anez Cooper. I really like he's kind of nasty.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: He's just gonna go later because he's old and he's
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: pretty maxed out. But I wouldn't hate bringing him.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: So like Michael Morris is the uh the right guard
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: is the big time right guard at Georgia. I say
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: a big time and he's not. He's probably gonna be
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: a Day three pick. But big guy, big dude. Yeah,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: big athlete, Uh, sort of player that if you're just
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: trying to go for you know, kind of a duplicate
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: of Mike on Winnu. Then he has similar similar type
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: of place six.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: Five, three thirty four. So yeah, like I think they
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: can get a guy like that on day three. To me,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: the thing is, what are you doing about? You talk
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: about preparing for life for Mike and went who after Michael?
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: When who?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: It's about preparing for life after Morgan Moses And that's.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: The more immediate, that's the more to get there. But yeah,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: I just want to no more thoughts on the interior.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: So I just wonder, you know, in that case, like
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously, like I said, it's a lot that
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: they have invested in, even though it's not a huge
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: contract like they did just sign Ben Brown too to
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: a super subcontract, so they they have guards under contract
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: that are are not so cheap.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: Here's the one thing about that I do have one
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: more thought on guard. I guess, Yeah, you have Elijah
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: Verah Talker, who has a significant injury history. You have
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: Jared Wilson, who's goldn't be playing center for the first
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: time in the NFL. Those are both kind of what
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: if positions. Ben Brown is the backup to both, so
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: it's not unrealistic to think there's gonna be a scene.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: And I think Jared Wilson will be find at center,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: but Ben Brown's probably gonna start some games this year, like.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: Are but probably Like I think there's a good chance
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: he does.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: But I don't I would. I find it hard to
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: believe that Jared Wilson is going to be so bad
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: at center that they're gonna have to bench Jared Wilson
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: strictly because of perform.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: I guess my point is, I wouldn't hate if they
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: carried a little extra guard depth than usual. If Ben
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: Brown's gonna have to back up both spots, it's just
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: a numbers game. Yeah, If Ben's Brown. If Ben Brown
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: is gonna have to back up both spots, if you
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: carry extra guard depth and that doubles as like a
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: right guard of the future, that's a good use of
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: a roster spot to me, even if it's one more
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: guard than usual.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: I just wonder if maybe as we get into the tackles,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: is there a guy that kind of has flex so
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: maybe it's a guard tack You could do that with
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: a guard tackle to Yeah, So that that way there,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: you're kind of developing him at two positions in whichever
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: one sticks sticks. But looking at the tackles right now,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: they only have five tackles under contract on the roster,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: and I'm taught. You know, obviously some of these guys
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: like On Winnu and Vara Tucker have a little bit
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: of flexibility, but I'm not or sure I'm talking I
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: count Kitten Wallace as a guard, but he's another one
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: of those guys. No, I think you're correct. I'm just
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: saying Will Campbell, Morgan Moses, Marcus Bryant, Gutierres and Lawrence Metz,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: the who they added late in the season last year
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: is an absolute giant, one of the biggest human beings
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen. I don't know if he can play football,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: but he's absolutely huge. So obviously the big question here
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: with tackle is how high is too high to draft
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: Morgan Moses' successor.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: I still think they could do it at thirty one
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: if the right guy's there.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: That's part one of the questions. Yeah. Part two of
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: the question is where are we at with Marcus Bryant,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: because I think that he's another one of these guys
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: that I've gotten a few questions about. I'm sure you've
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: gotten a few questions about. I think his ceiling is
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: probably swing tackle. I don't think his ceiling is starter,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: but there's nothing wrong with having a really solid you know,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: can he be you know, Lee Adrian Waddle? Can he
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: be Cam Fleming? Can he be one of these swing
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: tackles that starts in the pin.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: That wo'd be huge because right now they don't have
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: a backup left tackle. Yes, And we'll see what happens with.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: And he played left in college with a Membo on
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: the right right.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: We'll see what happens with their Munford. You know, maybe
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: they resign him. I know. Mike Grease reported over the
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: weekend that he had off season surgery, so that's kind
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: of delaying his process. But if he can be the back,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: because they need a left tackle too, and that shouldn't
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: be ignored. But for me, if the right guy's there
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: at thirty one, and I think the right guys probably
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Blake Miller and Caden Proctor, I'm not there with Iana Shark.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: He's raw.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: But I think if they trade, if they trade Backshore,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not there with him. I'm not there with him
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: at thirty one.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: That's fair.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: But you know, if Blake Miller Cayden Proctor's there, I
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: I like, I get it.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Evan, I'm with you. The idea that on paper, your
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: your top pick is red shirting. Now it helps that
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: it lines up like there are other really big needs edge,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: tight end, safety. It's a deep draft at those positions,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: so you can get the guys you need to get,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: I think without using the thirty first pick on him, certainly,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: and you're not gonna get as good of a player.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: But like man to be able to sit here and say,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: left tackle's good, right tackles good, they're young, they're under contract.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: We just don't have to think about that position for
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: a few years. Oh Man, that that's just such a
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: great place to be just the allure of that.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, but it just hard because you know that, I mean,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: I don't love this process. The issue that I have
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: with this line of thinking is that this is Matt
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Like to Nate's Solder.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: That's what this is.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: The Patriots when they went from Matt Light to Nate's
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: Solder were the prime Dynasty Rady era Patriots, Like we're
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: talking twenty ten, twenty eleven, where they're just like in
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: the super Bowl every other year, and I know, the
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Patriots just we're in the super Bowl. So it's like
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: a little bit contradictory to what just happened. But at
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: the same time, just the way they've moved this off season,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: the way that we all deep down kind of feel
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: about the team, I think we recognize that there's still
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: one really good draft and off season away from being
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: a true super Bowl team, not a team that played
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. And so if you then go
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: ahead and yes, the insurance on the off and the
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: line would be a thing of beauty they'd have, they'd
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: finally feel like, for the first time, maybe in our
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: entire team, you're covering the team that they had tackle depth,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: which is not.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: Something that we think.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: I think I know they still wouldn't have depth. They
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: STI would have a backup, but they'd have two legit starters.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: Well, Morgan Moses is here for another year, going to
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: be the third tackle. If they drafted a guy like
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: Blake Miller, I think I can confidently say, if Will
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: Campbell and Blake Miller you're starting tackles in twenty seven,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: that will be the first time in my entire time
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: coming the team where we're not talking about tackles.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: So that that there's something to be said for that,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: no doubt.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: There's also the fact and look, Morgan Moses was a
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: freaking iron man last year and I don't think it
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: hasn't really been throughout his entire I don't mean this
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: as any disrespect, but he's thirty five.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they're very aware of that they've been.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: Having that insurance. Sooner rather than later isn't the worst
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: thing either. It's also just the rest of this draft. Yeah, Like,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel about Caleb Tiernan.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you watched him. Yeah, he's a
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: he's a guard. Okay to me, he's a guard that
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: answers out. He's way too some people think he's a guard.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: He's just asking so Will Campbell's thirty two and five
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: as Yeah, Caleb Tearnan is closer to thirty two flat
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: is he?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: I thought he came in at thirty three. I'm thinking
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: of somebody else then.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I like he is, uh so, okay, you
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: know who? He reminds me of Skarnsky. He reminds me
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of scars and.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: A little helmet scouting the fair.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: I was thinking of O'Brian Parker came in short too,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: But this proves my point, like, it's not unrealistic. They're
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: gonna neither backup right tackle to play this year if
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: you don't take them at thirty one or even.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: A torn on a on a trade back. Yep, who's
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: the guy? Who are you?
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: It's tough because I'm just gonna give you the consensus
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: board real quick.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: Blake Miller's at thirty five. Ye I guess I mentioned
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: Kane bro Kane Brok's at twenty three.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: Caleb b Loowan moves at twenty five. He's a left tackle.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: Uh, Blake Mill's thirty five. He is at thirty seven.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: Jennings Dunkers at fifty seven, so you're going twenty picks
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: down and that's a guard. Cayl Tiernan is at sixty
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: seven guard. That's it for the top one hundred. Now
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: you get Demetrius crown Over at one oh nine, raw,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Brian Parker at one eleven might actually be a center. Yeah,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: Austin Barbert won thirteen, He's fine, but I don't know
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: about him. In year one, Isaiah World's coming off of
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: torn acl now ire at Markel Bell at won twenty five,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: who's a project player.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: No love for Jude Bowery from Boston College project player.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: So I think that crown Over just kind of dug
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: into him the last couple of days. I think on Monday, Yeah,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: this is a toolsy but extremely raw and needs like
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: at least the year right to sit.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: Now, that's exactly what they're asking this player to do.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Well, but to be fair, and you talk about Morgan Mos'
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: age and maybe it's a little more than that.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: But he's he fits the suit of a right tackle
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: for the Patriots. This guy Crownover is thirty five inch arms.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: He's massive. So if you if you don't want to
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: do the arm lane thing again. With the tackle that
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: they draft. Then this guy checks all of those boxes.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: He looks the exact part of a Patriot Josh McDaniel's
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: right tackle. But he is technique and his footwork and
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: his fundamentals are all over them.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: So you would be good with him behind Morgan Moses,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: given Morgan Moses.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: Eight, if he if they pick it, it's ninety six, right,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: I'm so.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: I probably yeah, if they pick him in the third round, sure,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: because he's not going to play right.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: He might, yeah, but I guess it's not fair because
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: everybody might play right.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 6: He is he is.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: You're so you're confident enough in Morgan Moses, then you're
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: getting that. You feel like you're getting the year for
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: crown Over. Yes, And if they if they draft a
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: guy like crown Over, if they have to come back
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: to the veteran free agent market just to add a
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: guy that's played the position in the league and can
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: start a game or two as a spot starter, then
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: so be that you're keeping a lot of tackles. Well,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: I'd keep five, right, I'd keep Campbell, Moses, crown Over, Bryant.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: Probably I will make it and then maybe another.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: Five a lot of tackles.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: Well, you're gonna have eight guys active on game day
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: at least.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: All right, so then you have the three. Well, Ben
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: Brown's active, that's six, So.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: We have nine guys active.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit nine. Yeah, so then you and
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: then Marcus Briant could probably be a healthy scratch to
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: be honest, okay, or Crownovers whichever. Did you watch Markel Bell.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: A little bit but not enough to like have a
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: great take on him. He's just huge, Like he's just like,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: Just because of the Trent Brown comp we have to
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: talk about him.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think crown Over to me is is
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: not it's not a totally it's right where they probably
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: should take one in the third round right now. Yeah,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: and it and it makes sense.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: Crown Over at ninety six or Bellow one twenty five.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: I probably go crown Over.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: Okay. I'd also add with crown Over, he played he
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: started as a tight end, so he's late. He's late
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: to the position. So like, I think there's room to
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: grow there. I think there's some room. This really is
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: a soldier thing. Well, he's not going to be drafted,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: I joke because Nates Solder started, Oh, yes, yeah, sure,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: you know this is like, I'll give you a better
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: example because it happened to Elson in the third round.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: The hope would be that this is like if Yodney
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: could just had worked out, right, Like this is basically
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: you're looking for that. You're still not quitting on Yodney. Huh.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: You know I liked Yodney and yelled defrohold you were
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: you were on? Cloud was right about Ye, you were right?
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: And no, you were right. He's still in the league, right,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: he's a really good center. Now I like yel defrohole too.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: They moved on from yell defrohole too quickly. He was
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: a good player, well, David Andrews, they were they were
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: doing okay, I'm just saying playing the guard, right, They
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: were't playing in that center. Yeah, that was drafted as
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: a guard.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: They were okay in the interior at that point. All right, No,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: he's a good player.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: So uh, let's go to quickly before we move on.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: Marcus Bryant stockwatch do you do? How much stock are
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: you buying? And Marcus Bryant, let's just say it seems
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: still in the team. I like to seem keep working
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: with h like, is he make the roster next year? Yeah,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: I should.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's your answer behind Morgan Moses, but yeah,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: like you said, good swing tackle potential.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: If I wish that he had won that muscle tight
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: end role, if he had won that would have been
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: like if if he was good enough to have won
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: that and beaten out there Munford for that is actually
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: by the end of the season, I'd feel.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: A lot done it in Vegas, I think that's probably.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: He definitely true, But I would just say with with
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: because I think that that's his seal, the seventh round pick.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: So I think his ceiling his swing tackle.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: If you had told me that by the end of
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: last year he was playing that muscle tight end role,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: I'd be really but it's into it. Having a good
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: swing tackle is important. You know how much Adrian Wattle.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: But I'm saying, like, if you had won that that
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: tight end.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: Role, and it would help him get the inside track
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: on that on swing tackle, like just not even projecting
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: him as a starter. All right, let's get the receivers.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: So right now they have eight wide receivers on the roster.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: They have Romeo Dobbs, Kisehan, Boody, Matt Collins, Pop Douglas,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: Kyle Williams FT and Chisholm, Jeremiah Webb, John Giles. So
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Webb and Giles obviously spent the season on the practice
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: squad last year. Good practice squad players, especially Giles, you know,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: with his versatility and his size. So the questions that
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: I have here in terms of facilitation, I wanted us
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: to sort through this wide receiver cluster here at the
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: back end of the first round because he texted me
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: about this yesterday and you were surprised by some of
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: my my answers to this h these questions. So I
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: wrote down these four players in this back end of
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: the first round cluster. Mister doesn't run the forty, Denzel Boston,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: Casey Concepcion, Omar Cooper Junior, and my guy Chris Brazil.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: So how let's rank those four? Like, how are you
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: drafting those four as the New England Patriots as the page.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: It's tough because Casey is my favorite of the group,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: but he's just too redundant to Dobbs. Yeah, like I
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: maybe even a little bit to Kyle, will you unless
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: they're gonna get really small, do some double slot stuff.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: I just don't see how he plays. Yeah, you know significantly,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: there's a role that it's not what you're taking at
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: the top of the draft. I'd say the same a
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: bottle Omar Cooper, Like, they're kind of similar players to me.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: They win differently, but they win differently from the same role.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: I like both.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: I really like Concepcion. I'm seeing right here, he's the consensus.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: You know, MA draft pick to the Dolphins right now.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: That's gonna kill me because that's a great fit. Makes sense,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: you know, when it comes down to Boston and Brasel,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: I don't love that Boston didn't run the forty in
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: his prote It's you don't run out the combine. Find
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: nobody runs in the combine. Everybody runs their prote it's
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: a safe environment.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: So that worries me a little bit.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: But I still think that his fifty to fifty ball ability.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: He is really quick, Like that's the thing. He didn't
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: run the forty. He did the agility drills and did well,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: so he has some quickness, which suggests that he can
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: grow as a route runner.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: I maybe i'm helmet scouting.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: I'm still a little too scared of the whole outside
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: Tennessee speed receiver thing, I'd probably go Boston.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, so here's my ranking. I'm gonna I'm gonna rank
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: them from four to one.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: So I guess ranking ranking four to one, rank Cooper, Conception,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: brasl Boston. But that's fit, that's very heavily fit induce,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: so I had to go best players one to four.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: Conception own, Boston, Cooper, and Brassel are kind of the
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: same to me. So there it's hard to rank them
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: exactly because Conceptsio and Cooper are one type of player
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: and Boston and Brasel or another type of player. But
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: I would personally have this list probably four conceptsi owed three, Cooper, two, Boston,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: one Brasel, and some of this.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: So brass and Boston are both on the board of
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: thirty one, you're taking Brasel, I'm taking brazl. If if
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: Mike Rabile comes pulls you out of this off the show,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: says coming to the draft room, we need you to
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: break the tie. Yeah, you're telling him Chris Brassel.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: I'm telling him Chris Brasel. And the reason why I'm
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: telling him Chris Brasel is because Denzel Boston's profile as
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: a separator absolutely terrifies me, and I look at the
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: way he wins. I look at uh the metrics that
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: you know, I do trust and especially I would say,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: one of the metrics that really stands out to me,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: that you know, other than the separation stuff, Yeah, that
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: concerns me is his yards per rout run against his
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: own coverage. Yeah, that's the big one. Right low on
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: that too. If you're gonna be this type of receiver,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to be elite against zone coverage, right like
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: big target, find the soft spot, move the chains like
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: Ted McMillan was a great zone coverage beating receiver. Denzel
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: Boston has a little bit too much like Kean Coleman shades. Okay, right,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: I just I worry about it.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: You liked Boston at the beginning of the process, So
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: I'm just because I was surprised because I thought you
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: would say all these things are saying now.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: I liked him at the beginning of the process because
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: I can see how Drake may would like throwing to him.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: Shouldn't that be the most important part? Well, but you
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: have to get open, like at some point if you're
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: a player like that, do you I think that there's
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: a post up role in an offense. I don't know
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: if post up roles are high volume roles in this league. Like,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: name the guy out of the draft and I'm putting
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: you on the spot, But name the guy out of
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: the draft in the last handful of years that's played,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: like Denzel Boston that has panned out, Drake London. I
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: think Drake London's got a lot more speed. Do you
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: have a lot more speed or is he just I
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: don't know about more speed. Him and Ted are much
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: better athletes than than Denzel Boston. Donsday's better route runner, I.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: Guess closer, but I think Dunda is a little bit
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: more fluid.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: Is better player.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just looking at the past draft history. Here,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: can I count the four weeks that Quentin Johnson went
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: off this year?
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: Is panting out? No, I know I'm kidding, and like
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: the hands are total polar opposite.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: I know I'm gonna stick with Drake London. Final answer,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: and then Ted Ted. Last year he hit a thousand
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: yards a rookie, But I.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: Feel like Ted's a much better, much more explosive player,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: especially with the ball in his hands.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: He is better after the catch. But that's right, go
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: to like I would agree with you more so.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: You're you're you're I think, sorry to cut you off,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: but you're you're saying that the apex are the ceiling
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: of the of the archetype of Denzel Boston is in that,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: Drake London, T Higgins, Te mcte mill and I think
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: that that's probably the ceiling of that. And then my
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: floors Keon Coleman, I acknowledge that. And then the Hall
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: of Fame is like Pooka, right, like like that's like, well, no,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame is like is Pookah Pooka? Pukah's
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: ability at the catch point is is yeah, but he
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: gets open plus almost go like Julio Jones. I was
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: gonna say, Julio Jones. Now this is not like Julio Jones.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: But he's way more experient late career. What he's quicker
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: than people giving. I think there is untapped potential later
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: on his feet. I think there is untapped potential as
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: a route runner. Okay, he's he's raw, like, it's not
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: a strength of his right now. That's not even to
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: say like, okay, he can do it, but it'll get better.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: It's not a strength of his right now. I think
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: he is the physical ability to develop. Like because you're
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: you're you're talking about you're going back in your mind
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: to like Nikhil Harry or Keon Coleman. Yeah.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: I never looked at Keon Coleman and thought he has
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: rumor grows a rout runner. Denzel Boss better than Denzel
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: Boston is more fluid.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: They have to coach that out of them. And if
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: you want to bring up their track record with developing
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: wide receivers, then that's a fair point.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: Like maybe you don't count on them to do that.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: I think he has more potential as a route runner
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: than something. So let's look at let's look.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: At some of the guys in that like that have failed.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: Like I said that, his I'll give you one of
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: his best quality is his ability to post up on
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: corners and win the ball at the catchpoint. Yeah, that's
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: a skill, There's no doubt about it, and that he's
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: very very good at. If you had better metrics against
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: zone coverage, and it was like he can find soft
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: spots over the middle of the field and underneath zones
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: and he can win down the field with you know,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: with the ball skills, I'd say Okay, that's it's fair.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: That's and I don't and I don't love type player.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: It's fair, and I don't love that he didn't run
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: the forty. I've told you that.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: He's but I think we can all agree that he's
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: a four to six guy if he didn't.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: So let's let's play this game with Chris Brazil. Yeah, like,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: what are the warts there?
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: I would say that Chris Brasl's because.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: We could, I could easily throw back at you. Show
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: me how that guy has popped.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: Chris Brasel's biggest warts are play strength, and I would
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: say a little bit of inconsistency at the catch port.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: Who is the guy from that mold?
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say specifically because it's a part of it.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: I know I'm limiting you Christian Watson in Green Bay
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: that mold in that offense, because that offense helps.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: There's only one guy that's in that mold, in that offense,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: and he's too good to use as a comparison. Who
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: it's in the Hall of Fame. Tennessee has not run
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: that offense long enough. The one guy that I see
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Tennessee. Tennessee's offense yeah, I'm talking
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: about the Patriots.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about the guy that gets to line
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: up basically one foot on the sideline, so the corner
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: like has to play him a certain way and has
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: the benefits of playing in that Tennessee offense and has
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: panned out.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: But he's not a linear athlete. That's what makes me
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: excited about Brazl is that he can sink his hips.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: And he have the same answer. The guy with this
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: profile usually doesn't work out. But this guy changes direction
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: better than those guys have. We both have the same answer.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: Are different player guys sixty three, you're just betting on speed,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: on betting on in runs of store three and the
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: other guy won't even run the forty But he.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: Has much better play strength and is better at the catchpoint,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: but he's.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: Terrified to run in forty yards in a straight line,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: which at that position is seven inchverticle, right, I mean
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: like his other stuff. The three cone was really good.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: It was six six point eight five at ten.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: So do you want to bet on raws speed or
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: rows strength?
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: You know my answer to that? I know because I
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: can I can hit. I can tell Chris Brazil when
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: he gets here on April twenty fifth or whatever, the
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: day after the first round, Hey, buddy, hit the weight room.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: Well he's gonna Bryton Shorts on April twenty five. You're
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: gonna be all excited camp.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: You know, you know rookie Minikav He's gonna run a
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: nine round. I'm gonna be like the hell yeah, you know,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: and you know exactly who we will bring up. I
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: know that's fair. You can hit the weight room. You
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: can hit the weight room, you can't hit the speed.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: That's fair, That is fair. That would be the one
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: thing with Brasel that he needs to work on. But
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: the route releases obviously, the straight line speed in the
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: I would say, in particular, the long striding speed with
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: him is like whoa right, Like when he gets to
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: open up his strides down the field and pull away
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: from guys is really really good. And I just I
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: think the one thing with him that I can't get
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: out of my head is that Georgia game, Like he
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: just that is that Georgia game is like he went
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: out there and mossed guys.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: I will say on the Denzel Boston's that he did
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: not play well against the better opponents.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: And Georgia is as good as it gets in terms
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: of like level.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Of top because you really like Dalen Everett.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: I like he put Dyalen Everett in a in a
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: hurt locker.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe he'll get another chance. I've been training game,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna up the question. I'm gonna up
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: the anty of the question you I asked you before
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: Mike Vrabel drags you down to the draft room.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: We need you to break the die. Yeah, the Chads Brassele.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: Chad's loving that. Mike Rabel's doing.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: It's Brassel, he never would but it's Brassler Boston thirty one,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: and we need you one more. Elliot Wolf drags you
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: down there.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: We know we can get Brassle thirty one, but the
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: who's the twenty four again? The Cleveland Browns. Yeah, want
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: us to give them thirty one, ninety six and one
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: twenty five for twenty four and we're gonna take Jordan Tyson.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: We can do that, or we can stick at thirty
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: one and take Chris Brasel.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: What are you telling them to do? Give me the
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: trade again? There's a lot of math in my head
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: that you're asking me to do. Thirty one.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, ninety six in one twenty five. Yeah, for twenty
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: five to them, we will say the Bears, you gotta
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: jump the Bills.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm getting Jordan Tyson and you're.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: Getting Jordan Tyson. Jordan Tyson's on the board.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: Jordan Tyson's a much better player, so I'm probably I
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: probably giving up those picks. I know, I really do
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: like Brazil. If the Patriots see the way I look
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: at Brasel though, just to make everybody feel comfortable with it, yeah,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: is like, is there is Brasel a trade down candidate?
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: Like if they trade from Oh yeah, if they trade
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: from like thirty one. But I keep saying the same
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: thing because I just feel like it might happen. Ty
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: Simpson is like sitting there at the end of the
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: first around.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: To the Lamar Jackson trade right from right from.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: One of these quarterback teams, Arizona, Cleveland, whoever wants to
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: come up and you know Jets, you know they want
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: to come up from.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: Please help them, Please let the Jets give you the
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: top of the second round, first.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: Round to thirty one. You go from thirty one to
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: let's say you go from thirty one to thirty eight.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know about looking at the draft order. I
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: don't know who's at thirty eight. I'm just using a
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: number thirty one to thirty eight. Thirty eight is the Texans,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: so that's not doesn't make any sense. The Browns at
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: thirty nine, Sure, Browns at thirty nine. Just for the
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: argument's sake, right, most of these teams have quarterback. It's
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: the Jets at thirty three, the Cardinals at thirty four.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: The Cardinals at thirty four is the one that makes
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: the most sense, assuming assuming you know Vegas at thirty
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: they're gonna they're not, They're going to take me in
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: those of So right, Jets are thirty three, Cardinals at
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: thirty four, Chiefs at thirty nine, maybe Miami at forty three,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: Jets at forty four. Okay, so if I if I
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: trade back here, yeah, and I get you guys that
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: are all worried about the Tennessee things, some picks and
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: Chris Brazzle, I think we all feel we're all happy, right.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: Sure, Okay, as long as they make a fair trade.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: All right, So that's the ross.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: But you didn't I don't think you have the question
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: brassl at thirty one or Tyson with that trade up.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: I probably go Tyson. Okay. I think it's more of
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: a sure thing.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: I don't hate because they have enough picks that they
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: can move back up again.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: Like you take.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you're you're losing one top one hundred, yeah,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: but now you package one thirty one a couple of
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: those six and that probably maybe not back into the
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: top one hundred, but should get you back in the
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: top one ten.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: So I would do it.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: I just uh, I you know that a guy that
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: runs like that at that size.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: You know, we did know it when we did the
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: CLNS show last year and we wrapped. We do the
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: show after the draft, and the last thing I ask
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: everybody is who's your guy for next year? I think
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: my guys were Jordan, Tyson and cacc Yeah.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: Casec's fun. The drops worried me a little bit.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not as worried. I'd like them to take them,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't make sense at this point, not gonna play.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: So okay, speaking of these lines, here's one. You know,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry we didn't get to a ton of the emails,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: and then we'll get these calls before the end of
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: the show here. But so we've been talking a little
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: bit mostly on on unfiltered about Kaishon Booty and like
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: his ceiling as a player. So this is from harsh
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: and Boston. He says Evan was ready to do taekwon
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: again year after year, but is so quick to diminish
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: Kaishan Boody, who's actually made plays with Drake may Harsha
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: disagrees with my take that Kaishon Booty has hit his ceiling.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: How do you feel about that?
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: I hit his ceiling.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: I think he's probably close. I mean, I look, he's
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: a good player, He's a good NFL player. He's not
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: the like coverage dictating number one guy. They're still going
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: to try to find that guy.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: So my take with Kaishan Boudi is that I've heard
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of opinions that, like, he's actually a ze
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: and she should play more on the So I just
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: think that and I get I can see the fact
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: that at least one of these coaching staffs was not
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: very good at your job. But when Bill O'Brien got
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: here in twenty three, they started developing him, developing him
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: as an outside receiver. Then they handed him off to
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: Alex Van Pelton. That staff and they continue to develop
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: him as an outside receiver. Then Mike Rabel and Josh
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: McDaniels got here, and they continue to develop him as
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: an outside receiver. Now the counter to that is is
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: that they haven't had good outside recess.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: You said this last weekend. I thought of the counter
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: after the show. Were they doing that because they thought
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: he was better on the outside or because he was
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: the best option they had because they didn't really have
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: anybody who fair counter.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: I would just say that three different coaching regimes have
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: said he's an outside receiver. When you look at inside receivers,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: you look at guys that are a little bit, you know, quicker,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: good routes. I'm not necessarily talking about the jittery he's not.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's a full time either. I think
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: he's you know, he's a z. I just think that
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: his best skill is his hands and winning the ball
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: at the catchpoint. And I don't know how that translates
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: to first let little quick hitting targets in the middle
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: of the field, right, So I I just I'm talking
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: about this offense, right and we got another question here.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: But I think it's also when it's it's hard to
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: hit that high of a ceiling when you're a catchpoint
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: guy at five to eleven.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that that's sort of why I
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: feel like his ceiling is pretty close to cap now,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: Like if he was six y three, it's another story.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: It's where it is. My question with him has always
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: been this, where does the volume come from? For kashaon Booty?
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's volume player, right, Like, well, if.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: He's not a volume player, then he's hit his ceiling.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: I think he could do a little more than like
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: he could be more consistent. How many role but how
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: many one on one jump balls on the outside? Are
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: you going to throw one receiver right more? Now that
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: we know what Drake may is, But how many did
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: he throw him last year? Like you know that.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's about as many as he.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: Probably got, like a fifty to sixty target year guy. Yeah,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: so that he had forty six last year.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: He's not gonna he's not going to all of a
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: sudden be a thousand yard receiver with sixty targets.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: That's just not gonna happen. Well, that's Alec Pierce. Well
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: he was an eighty something but close enough. Yeah. This
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: was from Christopher in Connecticut. He says, I hear everyone
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: talking about Dobbs coming in and replacing digs, but dogs
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: Dobbs only had a fourteen percent slot snap rate to
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: fifty one percent for digs. Yeah, so I think that
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: the conversation here is more about the type of formations
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: that these two teams were playing than it is about
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: inside versus outside. So with the Patriots, digs dig play
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: a lot primarily in the slot, but that's because they
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: primarily spread the field and they run a lot more
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: spread formation or just like kind of conventional offense formation,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: whereas Green Bay is running all these condensed formations. They
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: actually logged over fifty percent of their snaps out of
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: condensed formations last year. So with those condensed formations, Romeo
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: Dobbs is like in tight to the formation inside the numbers,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: so he basically has a two way go.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: He's technically the outside receiver, but where he's individually lined
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: up on the field, regardless that everybody else is a
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: slot position.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: So I could probably do this on next Gen and
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: it might be a fun exercise. Yeah, they have heat
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: maps on next Gen of like where they concentrate heat
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: on where the guys line up on the field. I
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: would venture to say that Romeo Dobbs's most concentrated part
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: of his heat map is probably very, very similar to
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs's, even though that that technically gets tracked as
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: an out wide snap and Diggs's snap might get tracked
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: as it's abou where everybody else is lining up. It's
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: not about where he's lining up. Yeah, exactly, do that?
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: Did that for next week? Well, I'll see if I can.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: If I can make it work. Mark is in Connecticut.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: What's up?
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 7: Mark?
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 6: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. I've been a
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 6: little while. Hey, so just wanted to get a couple
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 6: of takes from you guys real quick. I've been the
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 6: biggest AJA Brown fanatic for a long time now, and
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 6: I'm actually maybe even thinking of pulling back on doing
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 6: this straight because you're going to have to probably give
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 6: up A one and Chris Brasel Evan. I love Chris Brasel.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 6: I think they is an AJ Brown of the future.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 6: So I'd rather have Chris Brazzle in because he's young,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 6: You're going to have him on the contract for a while.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 6: That's my way to go on that. But my other
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 6: question is is that we have four six round picks.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 6: We have eleven picks overall. We don't need to pick
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 6: eleven players. So what can you get if you were
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 6: to package four sixes or even three of them. Can
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 6: you get like a you know, a three or a four?
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 6: You know, so you can move up the draft and
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 6: get a you know, another player, because we really badly
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 6: need a tight end, which you guys know that I've
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 6: been glamoring about for years now. Need a tight end,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 6: need a tackle, and we need an edge rusher. So
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 6: I appreciate it, guys, and I'll listen to you guys
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 6: off air and see what you say.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: Thanks. Mark. I think that those sixth round picks, that
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: they have any value would be like throwing them as
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: a breadcrumb at the end of a trade. So in
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: theory on the draft chart, the four sixes get you
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: to like the very end of the fourth round or
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: early fifth.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: No, it's it's what you said value is. And they
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: have two fourths like the one. I keep going back
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: to A one, A four, and a six Yeah, gets
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: you up to like I think the early it gets
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: up to the mid twenties, right the two the four
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: in the six gets you into So that's going from
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: sixty three that's going to get you up to about
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: fifty and ninety five plus, and I'm using the top
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: fourth and one of the six that's going to get
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: you up into the seventies. That's how you use those picks.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: The coming up from sixty three, because with a two
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: to four and a six, I could be talked into
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: that because.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe we can get the best of both worlds.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: For everybody, because everybody wants the right tackle right, and
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: then you could probably draft like Blake Miller at thirty
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: one and then maybe get back up to like close
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: to the top fifty ish and then still get like
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: an edge rusher or a wide receiver or something like
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: that that could be the more immediate, your one impact
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: kind of guy. So here's one for you're not getting
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: two first round picks, but you're kind of getting two
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: players that might contribute.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: Like in twenty twenty three, the Bears traded sixty one
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: and one thirty six for fifty six. Yeah, so that
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: that kind of area. The Chiefs traded sixty three, one
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: twenty two, and two forty nine for fifty five and
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: one ninety four, So that gets you up about ten spots.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: I like trading up from ninety five. I think the
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: strength of the draft is like forty to seventy five. Yeah,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: so I like the idea of moving up from ninety five.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: That that's my sweet spot. I don't mind doing that
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: because I think that you might again, you might be
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: able to get the best of both worlds, where you
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: get that you know, long term answer at a place
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: like right tackle, but you also still draft a guy
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: that can come in.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: And in twenty twenty three, the Panthers traded ninety three
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: and one thirty two for eighty, moving up thirteen spots.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: And giving up one of those fourths. Yeah, I could
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: see that out. I'd love to do something like that.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: All right, last call here, Henry is in DC. What's
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: up Henry?
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 10: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. I love that
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 10: breakdown of the receivers at thirty one, and I just
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 10: wanted to ask about the edge rusher of it all
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 10: because my view of it is there's a pretty good
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 10: track record not for the Pats, but in the NFL
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 10: of a second round receivers working out pretty well. But
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 10: I can only count a handful of Day two edge
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 10: rushers who are very useful. So my question is kind
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 10: of like, who is the lowest ranked edge rusher that
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 10: you'd probably take ahead of brasl or Casey C. R.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 10: Bosston at thirty one, because if you don't get that
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 10: guy at thirty one, I don't see how you're getting
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 10: an impact ed rusher in this draft.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, I understand you're thinking Henry, so basically just quickly
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: because we don't have a ton of time and we
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: can do this more next week. Receiver, Well, which receiver
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: who Er Brasil Mezidor Brasil, Brasil Parker, Brasel, Brasil Howel
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: or Brasil Howel Younger Brasil Brasluh if he falls Keldrick
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: Falker Brasel, Brasil. I don't like edge FULK and he
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: doesn't want him either, stiff me Robot. I might go
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: Mesador over the receiver. Maybe I could be talked to him,
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: but like that, that's the tier I was gonna bring up, right, Yeah,
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: Mezzadora Parker, Howell young feels like the edge dresser tier. Yeah,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: maybe our Mason Thomas is in that group, but I
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: don't think so. I know you don't like him, so
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: I knew you'd take there a here, so I didn't
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: ask or like there's a now this is more top
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: fifty love. But there's a ton of love for Malachi
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: Lawrence right now.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: I would move up from sixty two and get Malachi Lawrence.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: He's a doc, dude can play, he can and he's
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: there kind of like him in this system. Oh boy,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: And this is my other point to the caller.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: Sorry, real quick, now go ahead. I wouldn't worry about
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: getting an impact player on.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: The edge in Day two and this draft, like this draft,
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: this position, this class, even it maybe not at ninety six,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: but you move up from ninety six in the seventies,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: which is why I like that trade. You know you're
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: not gonna get your pick, but like Sutton might still
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: be there, Acus might still be their height might still
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: be there, like you're And when I say might one
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: of them should be, it's just which one. Yeah, I'm
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: not worried if they don't take the edge at the top.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: They need to come out with the top one hundred.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: I'll even say top seventy five picket edge. If they
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: get an edge in the top seventy five, I feel
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: good about it.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: And we could talk about more of this next week
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: Because we're gonna do defense Rosser reset next week, I'm
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: sure we'll spend a lot of time on the edge rushers.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: When I thought I was turning on Malachi Lawrence's tape,
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: I thought I was turning on a raw combine guy
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: that was gonna have to be seasoned and coached. And
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: I saw a guy that already has a pretty good
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: feel for what he's doing. So the rub on Malachi
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: Lawrence is, well, the level of competition has to Those
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: tackles were all, yeah, brutal. It's not just the teams,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: it's like the tackles in specific. Yeah, I mean it's
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: all bad. Like I watched him against Colorado and it
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: was like this is just not even. So that's that's
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: the one thing to keep. But I thought I was
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: gonna see like, oh yeah, like huge rascal ras rass
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: whatever could score athlete.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: That is just kind of big dog and everybody.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: He can play. Now, he's got hands, he's got pass
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: rush moves, he's got awesome.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: Player coach for the football, playmaker.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk about those guys next week when
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: we do the roster reset on defense. We'll keep you
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: up to date on the news and notes and all
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff as well. Recency biases back and
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: we'll keep on doing that, so we'll keep chugging along
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: here with about four or five weeks to go to
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: the draft, right, I think like five weeks.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: I'll be at BC on Monday for Boston Colleges Pro
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: Day I have. I think we might be joined by
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: some people here in this building, so that'll be cool.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: Go see those guys. That's why I brought up Jude
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: Bower earlier. He'll be there at Boston College. And we'll
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: be back on Catch twenty two next Wednesday at noon.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: Patriots unfieldered back tomorrow at noon as well. We'll see
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: you guys then. Thanks for watching.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 5: Bye, Hey, this is Matis. Thanks for tuning into the show.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 5: If you really want to help us, make sure you
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 5: like us wherever you get your podcasts like Apple pod
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 5: as a Spotify. Also make sure to follow us on
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 5: the New England Patriots YouTube channel to see this show
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 5: and everything else here that we do at the Patriots.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 5: Thanks a lot