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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 10-30-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Happy Friday, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 2: Always happy to have you with us. We've got Bill
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  Speaker 2: Riley joining us on the show today. We've got Lee
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  Speaker 2: Sterling to handicap the games of the weekend. Coordinator's Corner,
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  Speaker 2: which we had to do live the other day, so
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  Speaker 2: maybe you heard about it, maybe you didn't. You will
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  Speaker 2: hear from Mac G in hour number three.
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  Speaker 1: On the show today.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of PGA tour leaderboard updates coming at you
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  Speaker 2: from the Mexico open and some massive news from the
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  Speaker 2: big 12 conference. Look, the plan today was to come
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  Speaker 2: in and talk numbers about the Utah versus Cincinnati matchup
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  Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about BYU, Arizona state. Both
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  Speaker 2: of those games, incredibly important with the holy war looming
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  Speaker 2: now a week away, just over a week away. I
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  Speaker 2: know that all of you have Halloween plans, 877-353-0700. I
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  Speaker 2: want you to tell me your best ever Halloween costume,
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  Speaker 2: and it can be your best Halloween costume, or it
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  Speaker 2: can be the best Halloween costume that you masterminded and
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  Speaker 2: facilitated for a sibling, a child, whatever. Just the best
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  Speaker 2: family Halloween costume, 877-353-0700. And I also want you to
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  Speaker 2: tell me the direction you think the big 12 should
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  Speaker 2: go in replacing Brett, your Mark, who is going to
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  Speaker 2: leave the big 12 conference for a job outside of
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  Speaker 2: college sports. Brett, your Mark is for me, he's a
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  Speaker 2: complicated figure. He's a guy that I think probably did
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  Speaker 2: some really good things for the conference.
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  Speaker 1: I think that it was.
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  Speaker 2: Cripplingly damaging to to see Texas and Oklahoma do the
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  Speaker 2: inevitable when the first realignment domino in USC fell. I
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  Speaker 2: think that it always felt as though Texas and Oklahoma
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  Speaker 2: were going to end up somewhere else besides the Big 12.
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  Speaker 2: And Brett Yormark and all the rest of the leadership
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  Speaker 2: in the Big 12 conference had to figure out a
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  Speaker 2: way to survive those departures. And if you remember, they
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  Speaker 2: brought in Cincinnati. That was a Cincinnati team that was
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  Speaker 2: coming off of a college football playoff appearance, was coming
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  Speaker 2: off of an incredibly successful run that they have yet
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  Speaker 2: to replicate. They grabbed BYU out of independence, right? Shored
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  Speaker 2: up some of the weaknesses and the gaps, right? in
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  Speaker 2: a conference that was bleeding. And I'm not talking about
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  Speaker 2: like bloody nose. I'm talking about like drastic abdominal wound bleeding.
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  Speaker 2: When the revenue associated with Texas and Oklahoma, the reputation
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  Speaker 2: associated with Texas and Oklahoma left departed. And none of
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  Speaker 2: us in Salt Lake city, if we admit it to ourselves,
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  Speaker 2: wanted Utah to end up in the big 12 conference.
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  Speaker 2: because you didn't want the PAC 12 to die. And
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  Speaker 2: you would rather have been invited along with Washington and
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  Speaker 2: Oregon and USC and UCLA.
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  Speaker 1: You'd rather been invited to the big 10.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, but Brett, your mark is, and was the commissioner
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  Speaker 2: that gave Utah a safe landing spot in the big
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  Speaker 2: 12 conference. Five years from now, we are going to
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  Speaker 2: be talking about too much. A negotiation, a television rights negotiation,
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  Speaker 2: a television revenue package that is either going to keep
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  Speaker 2: the Big 12 alive or is going to kill whatever
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  Speaker 2: the Big 12 looks like five years from now. And
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  Speaker 2: Brett Yarmark is not going to be part of that. Now,
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  Speaker 2: whether or not he would have been if his own
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  Speaker 2: decisions hadn't brought him to a place where he's going
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  Speaker 2: to leave, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But this.
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  Speaker 2: Big 12 conference needs to get the hire, the replacement hire,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely dead on accurate and right. And I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what that looks like. I know what it's not supposed
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  Speaker 2: to look like, right? When the PAC 12 decided, you
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  Speaker 2: know what? We need to replace this Larry Scott guy.
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  Speaker 2: And they went with someone who was from the entertainment space.
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  Speaker 2: from the MGM grand in Las Vegas type space. That
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  Speaker 2: did not work out. That was actually a terrible development.
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  Speaker 2: And at the time I was doing radio on the
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  Speaker 2: PAC 12 channel. And so, you know, being a good partner,
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  Speaker 2: we were like, yeah, this George Kleovkov guy, he's got
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  Speaker 2: these creative ideas. Things are George didn't have Jack, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what for the PAC 12 conference was terrible.
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  Speaker 1: The whole thing fell apart. And I don't think he
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  Speaker 1: was set up for success.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he was hired into a situation that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, anyone who wasn't a miracle worker could have
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  Speaker 2: truly saved, but he certainly didn't help. And we're seeing
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  Speaker 2: in college football and college basketball now, athletic director hires
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  Speaker 2: and even coaching hires and like GM hires, that are
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  Speaker 2: just as much business-related as they are sport-related.
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  Speaker 1: So who do you look for? Who do you hire?
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  Speaker 2: Who do you replace Brett Yormark with that is not
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  Speaker 2: going to sign away your life for a million dollars
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  Speaker 2: per school to Monster Energy? Now maybe what Brett Yormark
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  Speaker 2: did was maybe he signed that deal on a handshake
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  Speaker 2: that Monster Energy was going to hire him. and give
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  Speaker 2: him a much more lucrative job with monster energy. There's
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  Speaker 2: no reliable reporting on what Brett, your mark is going
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  Speaker 2: to do next. But what I, what I know is
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  Speaker 2: whatever he does next, he's going to have to do
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  Speaker 2: a better job of the business side of that than
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  Speaker 2: he did in the big 12 conference with, look, Him
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  Speaker 2: trying to attach WWE non-conventional outside the box and ultimately
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  Speaker 2: probably not successful, didn't work, didn't actually add anything to
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  Speaker 2: the Big 12 Conference, didn't bring a significant amount more
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  Speaker 2: attention to the Big 12 Conference.
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  Speaker 1: But I applaud the effort. I like it, right?
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  Speaker 2: Brett Yormark being willing to test out the LED basketball court.
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  Speaker 2: in a conference tournament for the men and the women
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  Speaker 2: in basketball. Again, ultimately not successful in the way that
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  Speaker 2: everyone else in college basketball or pro basketball is going
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  Speaker 2: to adopt it, but there's got to be a first
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  Speaker 2: mover somewhere. In baseball, what they do is they try
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  Speaker 2: these things out in the minors and then they incorporate
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  Speaker 2: them when they decide they work or they throw them
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  Speaker 2: away and you don't ever really hear about it. It's
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily great that the Big 12 has volunteered itself
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  Speaker 2: to be the proving ground for new technology and things
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  Speaker 2: like that. But also, you have to do something if
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  Speaker 2: you're the Big 12 to differentiate yourself, to establish yourself.
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  Speaker 2: The best way to do that is to bring money
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  Speaker 2: into the conference. And so a Monster Energy deal made
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  Speaker 2: sense conference-wide. opening the big 12 conference and its schools,
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  Speaker 2: its member institutions to private equity makes sense from an
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  Speaker 2: exploratory standpoint.
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  Speaker 1: However, being the Guinea pig and being the.
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  Speaker 2: Conference is just like, look, we have to make something
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  Speaker 2: work is a tough spot to be in. So I
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  Speaker 2: think that the right way to evaluate Brett, your Mark's tenure,
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  Speaker 2: and he's going to stay on through January. So How
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  Speaker 2: much we see him, I guess he'll be there awarding
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  Speaker 2: a Big 12 conference trophy at the conference championship game.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll hear him when the all-conference teams are announced.
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  Speaker 2: We'll hear and see him at the start of basketball season,
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  Speaker 2: which for the running youths is just a few days
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  Speaker 2: from now. But he's on his way out the door,
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  Speaker 2: and I think the right way to evaluate his tenure
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  Speaker 2: is especially his recent tenure, his post-realignment tenure, is to
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  Speaker 2: evaluate the decisions and the strategies almost on an individual
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  Speaker 2: basis first, and then be like, all right, how good
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  Speaker 2: was he with business development? Well, he tried some innovative things. Ultimately,
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  Speaker 2: none of them brought in enough money, I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll give him a C for trying. All right.
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  Speaker 1: How was he on securing....
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  Speaker 2: Securing attention for the conference and making sure that things like, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know a holy war football game are given
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  Speaker 2: their proper place in the grand scheme of everything in
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  Speaker 2: college sports. And how, how good was he at making
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  Speaker 2: sure Kansas pass got the spotlight that it deserves and
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  Speaker 2: that Arizona basketball got the spotlight that it deserves and how,
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  Speaker 2: how good was Brett your mark at getting out there
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  Speaker 2: and highlighting the positives of the big 12 conference. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that he gets like probably a C on
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  Speaker 2: that as well, because he, He kept telling us that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we're going to put these big rivalry games,
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  Speaker 2: these heritage rivalry games in the big 12 conference in
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  Speaker 2: a spot on the calendar and in a spot on
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  Speaker 2: the television slate that makes it so that people recognize
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  Speaker 2: and watch us. And he didn't thread the needle, at
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  Speaker 2: least this year in a way that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be honest.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of headlines about what Greg Sankey has
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  Speaker 2: to say about what Tony Petitti has to say, what
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  Speaker 2: Pete Bavacqua has to say about the current rankings, about
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  Speaker 2: the way that the college football world is working right now,
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  Speaker 2: there's very little about Brett Yormark except when he makes
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  Speaker 2: an announcement or when reporters find out that he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be leaving the conference. I mean, what the Big
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  Speaker 2: 12 might need is that Kardashian-style, I-can't-look-away type personality that
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  Speaker 2: just brings attention to a league that everyone else wants
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  Speaker 2: to say is not worthy of attention. The ACC is
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  Speaker 2: inferior football wise, but they have a Miami that they
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  Speaker 2: can lean on. They have in basketball, a Duke and
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  Speaker 2: a North Carolina that they can lean on. The big
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  Speaker 2: 12 conference missed the boat on acquiring a, any true
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  Speaker 2: football blue bloods in the round of realignment or retaining
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  Speaker 2: any true football blue bloods in the round of realignment.
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  Speaker 2: So what they're doing is they're propping up Texas tech.
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  Speaker 2: They're propping up BYU. They're propping up Utah. They're trying
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  Speaker 2: to prop up maybe Arizona to say, Hey, these, these
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  Speaker 2: teams are equal to the rest of these great teams
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  Speaker 2: and these great programs around the country. And that's the
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  Speaker 2: right thing to do. Brett Yormark, I'm sure, is spearheading
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  Speaker 2: that effort or at least signing off on that effort.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think he is bold enough in his
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  Speaker 2: desire to say, you know what? Utah right now is
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  Speaker 2: one of three undefeated teams in the country. Put some
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  Speaker 2: respect on the name. Pat McAfee, when you talk about
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  Speaker 2: one of my member institutions, I want you to to
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  Speaker 2: speak nicely about that, right? The Big 12 Conference, for
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  Speaker 2: better or worse, needs someone who is.
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  Speaker 1: Sort of unconcerned.
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  Speaker 2: About upsetting the powers that be. Because you cannot gain
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  Speaker 2: the respect, the admiration, the inclusion of the powers that
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  Speaker 2: be by kowtowing to the powers that be. You cannot say, well,
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  Speaker 2: if my partner's in the Big 12, or excuse me,
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  Speaker 2: my partner's in the Big 10 in the SEC, like
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  Speaker 2: an expanded college football playoff, I also like a college
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  Speaker 2: football playoff. The correct stance for a Big 12 commissioner,
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  Speaker 2: whoever replaces Brett Yormark is, all right, fine, we're doing
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  Speaker 2: 24 teams. Don't talk to me about how many Big
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  Speaker 2: 10 teams and how many SEC teams are going to
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  Speaker 2: get in. We overdo it for those guys. Talk to
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  Speaker 2: me about how many of my teams in the Big
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  Speaker 2: 12 are going to get in. Talk to me about
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  Speaker 2: access for us, right? And Brett Yomark did an okay
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  Speaker 2: job of this, but you've got to find somebody, and
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  Speaker 2: I thought he was this, if I'm being honest. You've
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  Speaker 2: got to find somebody who's almost irrationally confident, not in
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  Speaker 2: only themselves, that's important, but in the product that they
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  Speaker 2: are representing.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that Brett.
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  Speaker 2: Yormark's biggest shortcoming, when it comes to football especially, is
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  Speaker 2: that I was never convinced that Brett Yormark believed the
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  Speaker 2: Big 12 Conference, the powers in the Big 12 Conference,
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  Speaker 2: the conference at large, was on the same level as
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  Speaker 2: the other big dogs in college football. And if he
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  Speaker 2: did believe it, he did a really poor job of
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  Speaker 2: insisting that everybody else in the country believe it as well.
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  Speaker 1: And I realize that.
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  Speaker 2: On some level, if you go out and you make
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  Speaker 2: that omission, you're going to be exposing yourself to criticism.
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  Speaker 2: But criticism for the sake of your member institutions is
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  Speaker 2: exactly what a Big 12 commissioner should be willing to
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  Speaker 2: take on. Like Roger Goodell does not give a bleep
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  Speaker 2: that every time he makes a public appearance, he is
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  Speaker 2: booed to high heavens. Do you know why he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: care about that? Because he and the owners are in
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  Speaker 2: perfect alignment on his role, on what the NFL is
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do, on how to properly exploit the players,
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  Speaker 2: like the correct level to do that. I mean, he
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  Speaker 2: knows who he works for. I think Brett, your Mark
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  Speaker 2: in certain times in his tenure was working for Brett,
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  Speaker 2: your Mark. And I think there was times like when he,
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  Speaker 2: when he walked out, the best example is when he
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  Speaker 2: walked out onto the freaking podium and at big 12
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  Speaker 2: media days, a few months back and goes, guys, we're
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  Speaker 2: doing this monster energy drink.
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  Speaker 1: And it's going to be.
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  Speaker 2: Innovative and crazy that we are now the monster energy,
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  Speaker 2: big 12 football season. These are monster energy, big 12
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  Speaker 2: media days, the monster energy, big 12 basketball season is
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  Speaker 2: going to be incredibly exciting. Here's your monster energy, all Americans.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he was just like, look what we're doing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing a conference wide sponsorship. And the initial reaction
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  Speaker 2: to that is kind of like.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Look at this guy going out there.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Look, chase it. Let's go, Brett. Your mark.
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  Speaker 2: And then of course the natural line of questioning goes, uh,
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  Speaker 2: excuse me, Mr. Commissioner, how much money is going to
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  Speaker 2: be brought in by this thing where you sold a
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  Speaker 2: Placement on every field and surface in the conference and
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  Speaker 2: every uniform in the conference. How much is that going
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  Speaker 2: to net these schools? And he's like, just wait till
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  Speaker 2: you hear this number. You're going to get $ 1 million.
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  Speaker 1: Dr. Evil style.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, who are you working for that told
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  Speaker 2: you that this was good enough?
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  Speaker 1: That this was even close to enough? I mean, maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't possible to get anything more than that.
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  Speaker 4: Truly.
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  Speaker 2: None of us were convinced when we heard that or
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  Speaker 2: since have been convinced that that was quote unquote enough.
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  Speaker 2: And you only get, you're only worth what you negotiate for.
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  Speaker 2: You only deserve what you get for yourself. And Brett
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  Speaker 2: Yormark might be an idea guy who's lacking on execution,
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  Speaker 2: and we can just applaud him for having those ideas.
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  Speaker 1: Now find me someone that can actually execute on some
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  Speaker 1: of those ideas.
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  Speaker 2: He is going to leave, and the next five years
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  Speaker 2: of Big 12 football, while college football figures itself out
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  Speaker 2: and has a 2014 playoff where the Big 10 and
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  Speaker 2: the SEC are trying to gobble up every single one
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  Speaker 2: of those teams, every single one of those spots, The
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  Speaker 2: big 12 needs a commissioner who doesn't say, all right, well,
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  Speaker 2: can we just get two? Can you guarantee us to
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  Speaker 2: the correct thing for a big 12 commissioner to do
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  Speaker 2: is something that I honestly is the riskiest of all
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  Speaker 2: is to say, we don't want any guaranteed spots for anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Give us what we earn and what we deserve because
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  Speaker 2: our teams are good enough to compete with you.
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  Speaker 1: We're seeing it.
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  Speaker 2: We got one team, at least that competes with all
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  Speaker 2: of you financially. We got two other teams that don't
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  Speaker 2: compete with you directly financially. One's kind of in the middle,
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  Speaker 2: and one, the flagship representers here of this university is
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  Speaker 2: ESPN 700. One overachieves, but guess what? We believe that
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  Speaker 2: in a meritocracy, all of us in the big 12
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  Speaker 2: conference can go total two with all of you in
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  Speaker 2: the big 10 in the sec. I don't want you
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  Speaker 2: to say, we'll give you two guaranteed spots. As long
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  Speaker 2: as you sign off on us having four a piece
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  Speaker 2: or six a piece or five a piece or whatever
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  Speaker 2: it is, I want double birds. And I want to say, no,
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  Speaker 2: let's play it. Let's play for it.
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  Speaker 5: It's actually, it's, it's a crazy concept in sports.
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  Speaker 1: Let's actually win to get in.
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  Speaker 5: Instead of just be part of a conference and you
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  Speaker 5: don't necessarily have to win near as much. You just
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  Speaker 5: have to be near the top of the standings. That
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  Speaker 5: is such BS, and I'm totally with you. That's the
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  Speaker 5: kind of strength and hubris and confidence from a commissioner
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  Speaker 5: that a conference like the Big 12 needs, that a
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  Speaker 5: conference like the ACC needs, frankly, too.
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  Speaker 1: I would also... I know that we all.
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  Speaker 5: Laugh at this because of how poorly, how nothing came
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  Speaker 5: of it. And the big Ten ended up becoming a,
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  Speaker 5: going from being, looking like a friend to an enemy
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  Speaker 5: of these conferences, but a merger, ACC and Big 12,
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  Speaker 5: a commissioner that's willing to actually say, hey, do we
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  Speaker 5: really think that separately we have a chance at taking
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  Speaker 5: on the big 10 and the sec really do you
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  Speaker 5: really think we can do that and i and i'm
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  Speaker 5: what i referenced was the alliance pac-12 big 10 acc
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  Speaker 5: like i know we all laugh at that because it
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  Speaker 5: didn't bear anything and the big 10 ends up breaking
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  Speaker 5: away anyway but i'm not talking about an alliance between
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  Speaker 5: the big 12 and acc like actually let's actually officially
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  Speaker 5: join forces here because I would love a commissioner who
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  Speaker 5: would be willing to actually have those discussions instead of
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  Speaker 5: a handshake agreement like those other three commissioners.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so happy that you brought that up because that's
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  Speaker 2: exactly the type of like milk toast. like we'll lap
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  Speaker 2: right on good faith, garbage that you just cannot afford. And,
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  Speaker 2: and to be fair to Brett, your Mark, who I
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  Speaker 2: think his tenure is going to be evaluated and reevaluated
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  Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. Not all bad by
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  Speaker 2: any stretch of the imagination, not all good by any
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  Speaker 2: stretch of the imagination. But I'll tell you what I
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  Speaker 2: was doing pack 12 radio at the time that Brett,
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  Speaker 2: your Mark was the adversary. He was the enemy because
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  Speaker 2: the pack 12 was trying to stay together and to survive.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what Brett, your Mark did. He said, Dion,
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  Speaker 2: Bring your squad over here to the Big 12. You're
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  Speaker 2: the most talked about coach in college football right now.
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  Speaker 2: You're the most talked about program in college football right now.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: You don't have a home. You're not going to the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Big 10. The SEC doesn't want you. The Pac-12 is dying.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: You come here. And that was not a university president
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: type of decision. That was a Brett Yormark calling the
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: football team type of decision and going, you're coming back
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: to the Big 12. Let's make this work. And that's
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: why Utah ended up in the Big 12, right? And
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: so on that level, Brett Yormark, he's maybe not the
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: best commissioner in college football, but I'll tell you what,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: in those crucial months, he was far from the worst
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: because he absolutely steamrolled George Klyovkov at every single juncture.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: So you need to find.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the guy that could steamroll Brett, your mark, when you
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: are hiring the replacement for Brett, your mark, you should
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: ask Brett, your mark, who's the only guy or gal
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: that you ever negotiated against that you came across in
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: the college football space that you were like, I am
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: going to get murdered by this human. This person is
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: going to wreck me. This person, I am scared of
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: being in the room against this person.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Find me that.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: If you're the big 12 right now, find me the
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: person that when someone in the ACC goes, let's have
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: a handshake agreement. When someone in the big 10, more
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: importantly goes, can we get a handshake agreement on this?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Says absolutely not put it on paper or this conversation
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: never happened. And to be fair, to freely admit, maybe Brett,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: your Mark had to do that 10,000 times over the
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: last few years. And we only get to hear about
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: the stuff that actually makes it all the way through.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Maybe monster energy was like, yeah, we'll give you a
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: million dollars. And so he took that because red bull
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: laughed in his face and said, we'll give you 500 grand.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but golly, man, it seems unlikely.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Like this, you have to come at all of this
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: from a position almost of false confidence and made up strength.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Fake it till you make it. UCLA did that. And
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: look where they're at right now.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of complications.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of intricacies to hiring the right person
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: to replace Brett Yormark, but it is the most critical
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: time in the big 12 history. And whoever this commissioner
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: is job, number one is going to be, how do
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: we keep these teams together?
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: How do we keep this conference together?
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Because an expanded college football playoff and a Protect College
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Sports Act that may or may not allow for realignment,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: your member institutions, including the University of.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Utah, are looking for greener grass.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Like, to represent the best interest of your athletic department,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: your student athletes, your students, your state, you have to
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: be in this weird spot with Utah leadership. where you're
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: cheering on the Big 12 Conference and you're offering full
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: support for the Big 12 Conference and you're leading the charge,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: at this moment at least, for the Big 12 Conference
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: while also being like, but Big 10, we would like
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: to be part of your team.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: We'd like to... I know that when you.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Think about potentially expanding two more teams. Utah's probably not
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: front of mind for that, but if we can get
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: the protect college sports act to get rid of that
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: clause and we can allow for like 22 team super
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: conferences or something, can we have that discussion? You have
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: to do that simultaneously while you're working with whoever Brett,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: your mark is replaced by. to drive the best interest
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: of the big 12 conference forward. And whoever that new
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: commissioner is has to acknowledge that that is the position
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: of Texas tech of Utah, of Kansas, of BYU, of Colorado,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: of any of the Arizona schools. The new commissioner has
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: to look all of these things in the face and say, look,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I know that your gut tells you, you have to
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: keep options open on the other side of the fence.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: But let me tell you, we're going to water this grass.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: So it's greenest over here. I'm going to get a
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: better television deal. I'm going to get money in here.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Easier said than done. It's going to be a tall task.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: It's going to be incredibly difficult. And maybe Brett, your
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: mark is leaving because he's finally acknowledging. I can't do this.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: I did everything I could hustled, hustled, in every way possible.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: And this is the best we can do. Maybe that's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: what it is.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: .
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: .
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: .
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: .
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: .
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I know we're at Utah station.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: If I am the big 12 conference, the number one
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: phone call that I make, even if it's to bridge
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: the gap is the Tom Homo Tom Homo. I say
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Tom Homo kept BYU alive and afloat through independence.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: BYU would not have gotten an invite to the big
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: 12 conference.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Had it not been for Tom Homo.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Tom Homo was an incredible athletic director at BYU.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: It just, on every front. was absolutely incredible.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: And I know people don't like praise to be heaped
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: upon BYU, but the way that he scheduled it now,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: there were some logistical challenges that even he wasn't able
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: to get over. November schedules were pretty ugly in the
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: independence era, but BYU had some humongous games in that time.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: They played Notre Dame while they were independent. They played
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma while they were independent. They played Texas while they
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: were independent. They played a bunch of these really, really
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: prominent games and they He hired Kalani Satake when things
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: got ugly and it got a little bit dark and
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: there were plenty of people.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: And you know who you are. BYU listeners, all three
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: of you.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: That were like, get rid of these three of you.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Get rid of Satake. Get rid of him. He's not
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the right guy.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Tom Homo was the one who said, no, we're going
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: to stay the course. He is the right guy. It's
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: going to take some time. He's the one who supported
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: all of the right moves for BYU Athletics to get
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: to where they are now. BYU Athletics would not be
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: where it's at right now without Tom Hulmo. He's the
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: right kind of guy to call.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I've got one.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: I was going to throw out at you as a joke, O.C.,
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: but I actually, as you were talking about Tom Hulmo,
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: a serious one came to mind.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: What about Dave Chekits? How dialed in is Dave check?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: It's on college sports and how much is him being
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: dialed in on college sports even matter? Because, you know, again,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: this is a coming more of a professional model business proposition.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: This is a professional model. Maybe, I mean, how old
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: is Dave check? It's respect to the, the patriarch of
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the Spence check.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: It's clan. How old is Dave check? It's now he's
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: gotta be in his late seventies, right?
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: Well, Spence is late forties. So yeah, he's, The Spence
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: is the oldest. That's the oldest.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: And he's around there.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Big 12 commissioner, Kyle Whittingham. We know that he loves
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: a good business. discussion and innovation. Dave's Dave's 71.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Okay. That's all right. 71 is not too old.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: No.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: And he, you know, we we've seen him on, on
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: some video podcasts recently. We've seen him around here. He's
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: still got a lot of energy, still involved in sports
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: management in various ways. He's on the board of Burnley,
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: the team that J.J. Watt has an interest in as well,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: across the pond. So he's still in it, not the
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: way he was in it when he was running the
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: Knicks and the Rangers.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, I don't know.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: That might be a guy, if he's willing to throw
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: his hat in the ring, I would consider if I'm
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: the Big 12. So maybe something to bring up during crosstalk. Hey,
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Hey Spence, your dad interested in being a big 12
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: commissioner in February, 8, 7.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: 7, 3, 5, 3 0 700.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: There's the sports emphasis, the experience in sports, the person
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: who came from assistant commissioner, athletic director kind of roles.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: There's the commissioners of like the American conference conference, USA,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: the big sky, right? The mountain West that is effectively
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: now the PAC 12 do a little promotion. Yeah, or
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: you could think outside of the box and you could
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: be like, all right, I want my commissioner to be
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: the person who raised, you know, that worked for Ocho Capital.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Do you have someone you want to push forward?
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Like, are we going to get a private equity person
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: to run the Big 12 conference?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Who knows? This is nuts.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Did not expect to hear anything like this anytime soon,
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: let alone... know, during the college football season.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: And also there's, there's something unsettling about the way that.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: You can make an argument.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Big 12 football conference right now is having its best
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: year in the last five, right? You have a bunch
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: of top 10, top 15 style teams. You have six
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: teams in the top 25 right now. So Strongest representation
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: at the top of the sport you've had in a
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: long time for the Big 12 Conference. Still plenty of
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: football left to play, admittedly. A supremely good outlook for
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: basketball as well. You gave the NBA its, what, three
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: of its top five draft picks last year. And you
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: could make an argument that whoever the commissioner is, is
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: overseeing basketball. a bit of a Renaissance of big 12
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: sports in the revenue producing sports, a better age than
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of us saw coming and he's still leaving.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: So what does he know that we don't, what is
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: he seeing that we're not seeing are the conversations around
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the protect college sports act and whether or not it's
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: going to be passed and whether or not it's going
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: to include a clause that prevents realignment or foments realignment.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Does he realize that the big 12 conference is going
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: to collapse underneath him in the next five years? And
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: so he's getting.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Out now.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: That feels just as likely as anything else in college
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: football these days.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I did not know this.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: 0 4 2 0 says good luck getting mission president
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Tom Homo for commissioner. He won't be available until 2020.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize he was mission president.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I was not, I apologize.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I was not aware of Tom Homo's Spiritual calling in
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: his faith at the moment.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham it is. All right.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Gail Miller, new conference commissioner, question mark, coming in from Zach.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Throw me your nominations.
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: 877-353-0700.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Bill Riley next, the voice of the Utes on the
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Sean O'Connell.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Show.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: It's ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: I was working in the lab late one night.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: Chevrolet studio of ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: All right, it's a Friday on the Sean O'Connell Show,
• 34:12
  Speaker 8: and we welcome in the voice of the youths who's
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: about to get on a plane to head out to
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: Cincinnati to call this game.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Bill Riley here on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Hey, Bill.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Hey, John.
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: Happy Halloween Eve.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Happy Halloween Eve. No costume for you in the booth tomorrow?
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: No, no.
• 34:31
  Speaker 10: Just going to go as a sports broadcaster and hope
• 34:34
  Speaker 10: for the best. Hope there's a lot of treats and
• 34:36
  Speaker 10: no tricks when we get to Nippert Stadium tomorrow.
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Well, we know we don't have a lot of time
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: with you here, but let's talk about this matchup. Cincinnati
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: coming off a huge win against Texas Tech. Utah coming
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: off a huge win. against Houston. I think that helps
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: with the potential like layoff effect after big wins. Cause
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: both teams are dealing with it. And, and Utah on
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: paper is the better team. Are we going to see
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: the better team from Utah on the field tomorrow?
• 35:03
  Speaker 10: I think so, Sean, I think they've worked through everything.
• 35:06
  Speaker 10: I think last week's win, I think again, we'll see tomorrow,
• 35:10
  Speaker 10: but I think last week's win galvanize them against a.
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: Really good team.
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: And to your point, seeing the upsets around college football
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: last weekend and seeing what Cincinnati did to a Texas
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: Tech team. Now, granted, I don't think Tech is what
• 35:23
  Speaker 10: they were a year ago, but that's still a really
• 35:24
  Speaker 10: good team. That final score was not indicative of the
• 35:29
  Speaker 10: butt-kicking that the Bearcats gave the Red Raiders last week.
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: So I would guess, being up there this week, being
• 35:35
  Speaker 10: around the players and coaches a little bit, I would
• 35:38
  Speaker 10: guess that Cincinnati has Utah's full attention.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: So for the Utes, we've had like a, a couple
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: of way, Sean Parker games. I think the last game
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: was very much a Devin damn peer game. We've had
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: a Bray Brayden pagan game. Is there any other fill
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: in the blank player game that we're going to get
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: potentially with Cincinnati? Is there still someone, especially in this
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: offense that hasn't had the big breakout that, that might
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: we're we're past the halfway point. So you kind of
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: are who you are, but is there someone with plenty
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: left in the tank?
• 36:10
  Speaker 10: I think we've actually had a Noah Benny game. I
• 36:12
  Speaker 10: think we've had a Ricky Johnson game. I think we
• 36:15
  Speaker 10: could have a Daniel Bray game, too, because Bray is
• 36:19
  Speaker 10: one of those guys that always feels like he's a
• 36:21
  Speaker 10: step away from going the distance. I'm not saying he's
• 36:24
  Speaker 10: going to get 15, 17 touches or carries, but Daniel
• 36:27
  Speaker 10: Bray feels like a guy that's an explosive player, that
• 36:30
  Speaker 10: if he gets that opportunity, he can take it the distance,
• 36:33
  Speaker 10: and maybe he gets... Maybe he gets 100 yards on
• 36:36
  Speaker 10: five or six touches and has a 47-yard touchdown run.
• 36:40
  Speaker 10: We've seen that from him before. I would say maybe
• 36:44
  Speaker 10: a Daniel Bray game. Maybe a Creed Whittemore game as well.
• 36:47
  Speaker 10: Whittemore is one of those guys that... We saw Ryan
• 36:50
  Speaker 10: Davis get seven, eight, nine catch games last year. I
• 36:52
  Speaker 10: think Whittemore's got that in him as well. So I
• 36:55
  Speaker 10: think those are two guys that haven't had breakout games.
• 36:58
  Speaker 10: If we're looking for somebody different that's not in a Parker, Dampier,
• 37:02
  Speaker 10: Pagan-type mode that could have that kind of a day.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: So Devin last week against Houston obviously ran so successfully
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: and was massively important for the win. And by his
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: own admission, he'll tell you, man, I wish I hadn't
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: thrown that second interception there. He didn't like the first
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: one either, but at least that one he got hit.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: And it feels like, Bill, there's one or two of
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: those throws every single game. Is that just something that
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: this team is going to have to accept and this
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: fan base is going to have to accept about Devin Dampier?
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Because on balance, he's obviously far better for you than
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: he is with those errors costly for you. But are
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: we just going to have to account for one or
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: more of those per game?
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: No, I don't think so. I think you can coach
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: that out of guys.
• 37:46
  Speaker 10: I think Kevin McGiven and Morgan Scali and the rest
• 37:49
  Speaker 10: of that coaching staff can coach that out of him.
• 37:51
  Speaker 10: You're right, the first interception was hit as he throws.
• 37:53
  Speaker 10: It sailed on him. The second one, yeah, he wants
• 37:55
  Speaker 10: to have that back. But I thought as the game
• 37:57
  Speaker 10: went along, and really even early in the game too,
• 37:59
  Speaker 10: Devin took what the defense gave him. Shots weren't down
• 38:03
  Speaker 10: the field, so he tucked it and ran. I think
• 38:05
  Speaker 10: we can get more of that out of Devin Dampier.
• 38:07
  Speaker 10: I don't think we have to necessarily expect– an interception
• 38:13
  Speaker 10: or a bad interception every game. I think he can
• 38:16
  Speaker 10: make that adjustment himself. And so I don't think that
• 38:20
  Speaker 10: that's necessarily what we'll see every game.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I hope we don't, at least.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati is 11th in the conference in rush defense. And
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: obviously you're trying to get this win, whatever means necessary.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: But you also are trying to do it in a
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: way where the game doesn't get crazy. You don't let
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: the Bearcats hang around. Is this a perfect recipe for
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: way Sean Parker, who was relatively quiet statistically last week,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: having another a hundred plus yard day.
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: I think it's possible.
• 38:49
  Speaker 10: I mean, even I think if Cincinnati sells out to
• 38:51
  Speaker 10: the run the way Colorado and Houston did, I don't
• 38:54
  Speaker 10: know they have the same personnel up front. Colorado had
• 38:57
  Speaker 10: a really good defensive front, a couple of good linebackers,
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: same thing with Houston. I'm not sure you can say
• 39:02
  Speaker 10: the same thing. Maybe they prove us wrong tomorrow. On paper,
• 39:06
  Speaker 10: they don't appear to have that same type of up
• 39:08
  Speaker 10: front ability to stop the run. But even if they do, Sean,
• 39:13
  Speaker 10: I think we've seen and we saw last week and
• 39:15
  Speaker 10: we've seen in games, Devon's able to beat you. And
• 39:18
  Speaker 10: they also, frankly, give up some air yards, too. I
• 39:23
  Speaker 10: think Utah will have solutions for whatever Cincinnati throws at
• 39:28
  Speaker 10: them defensively. It's on the other side of the ball
• 39:31
  Speaker 10: where Cincinnati is really good running it. I think this
• 39:34
  Speaker 10: is a good test for this Utah defense this week.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Speaking of that Utah defense, it was Colton Swan calling
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: that perfect blitz at the perfect time.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Morgan called it unblockable.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: And when it's executed properly, It is Utah executed it
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: perfectly created the turnover that led to the, the salted
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: away kind of touchdown on the next play for Devin Dampier.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: And look, we we've given Kevin McGiven a bunch of
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: his flowers and he's been in his bag very visibly
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: a couple of times already this season. It felt like
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: against Houston when you had to have it, Colton Swan
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: got really aggressive, trusted his guys. And maybe that was
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: his best coaching performance so far this year.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Do you feel that way?
• 40:15
  Speaker 9: I think it was.
• 40:16
  Speaker 10: And to be fair, the Utah defense this year has been,
• 40:20
  Speaker 10: for the most part, really good and stingy. Where they've
• 40:24
  Speaker 10: had some problems have been communication breakdowns. Nobody has just
• 40:27
  Speaker 10: lined up and done what they wanted to do against Utah.
• 40:31
  Speaker 10: Colorado had some big plays. Iowa State had a couple
• 40:34
  Speaker 10: of big plays.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Kansas.
• 40:36
  Speaker 10: But they haven't been, we're going to line it up
• 40:38
  Speaker 10: and run it down your throat. They haven't had that
• 40:41
  Speaker 10: the way Kansas State did last year. So I think
• 40:44
  Speaker 10: this defense has been really good. They've had against better teams, Cincinnati, BYU,
• 40:50
  Speaker 10: Arizona coming up. You can't have those breakdowns. But I
• 40:54
  Speaker 10: really do think outside of a Q communication bus, the
• 40:58
  Speaker 10: Wegman run, a couple of Amari Thomas pass plays, Utah's defense,
• 41:02
  Speaker 10: especially in the red zone, I thought was really good
• 41:04
  Speaker 10: last week.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: All right, last thing before I let you go, because
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I know we have to do that, but everyone reacted
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: on Monday to a 10 a.m. kickoff for the Holy War.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: I know the team can't look ahead to that, but
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: we can. What do you think about that game being
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: in that spot?
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: I don't mind it. I'll be honest with you. I
• 41:26
  Speaker 10: know a lot of people don't like it. 1.30 or 5.30
• 41:29
  Speaker 10: would have been more optimal times. but we've had very
• 41:33
  Speaker 10: few day games in recent years. You get up a
• 41:36
  Speaker 10: little bit earlier. It's a 10 a.m.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Game.
• 41:38
  Speaker 10: It's great for exposure for the game. Players and coaches
• 41:42
  Speaker 10: don't care. They'd rather play the game early than sit
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: around the hotel and Honestly, I know this won't sit
• 41:49
  Speaker 10: well with a lot of fans. I kind of like
• 41:51
  Speaker 10: the change-up on it myself. I like it being in
• 41:53
  Speaker 10: the daytime. I like it being in the sunlight. I
• 41:56
  Speaker 10: like it having a little bit different feel to it
• 41:58
  Speaker 10: than we've had in recent years. And the exposure the
• 42:01
  Speaker 10: game's going to get nationally is going to be fantastic
• 42:04
  Speaker 10: because it's in a great TV window for ABC or ESPN.
• 42:07
  Speaker 10: So I know it may not be the most popular
• 42:10
  Speaker 10: thing to say. I don't mind it, to be honest.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Did we learn a lot about BYU and their loss
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: against UCF? It felt like that was a fluke game
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: for me, and they don't have L.J. Martin, hangover from
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame. Obviously, the voters still think that this is
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: a top-ten team. What did we learn about BYU with
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: their loss?
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I think it is a good team.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: I do.
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: I still think it's a really good team, nationally ranked team.
• 42:33
  Speaker 10: I don't think they're the second-best team in the country,
• 42:36
  Speaker 10: but I think what got exposed a little bit was
• 42:38
  Speaker 10: their defense. I mean, you can say LJ Martin wasn't there,
• 42:41
  Speaker 10: but I got to be honest, you UCF with a
• 42:43
  Speaker 10: backup quarterback, put up 39 points on them in overtime.
• 42:47
  Speaker 10: You know, I, I just, I think that that got
• 42:50
  Speaker 10: exposed a little bit in that game. Now, again, hang
• 42:53
  Speaker 10: over all that stuff. I get that, but I, I
• 42:56
  Speaker 10: think UCF, I wasn't wildly impressed with their quarterback. Their
• 43:00
  Speaker 10: playmakers weren't bad. I think they exposed some things. I
• 43:02
  Speaker 10: still think BYU's offense is good, and if they get L.J.
• 43:05
  Speaker 10: Martin back, it'll be better. I just don't think you
• 43:07
  Speaker 10: can ask Bear Bachmeier to be your passing game and
• 43:10
  Speaker 10: your running game every single week.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: All right, Bill, safe flight. Have a great call. We'll
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: talk next week.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: Thanks, Sean.
• 43:17
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• 43:19
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• 43:21
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  Speaker 2: You could call, you could text. Reacting to the news
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: this morning, the surprising news, at least for me, that
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Brett Yormark.
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: is.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Going to be leaving the big 12 conference. He'll stay
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: through January. Uh, once at what he calls an elegant exit.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: So what is the succession plan for the big 12 conference?
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Will there be an interim conference commissioner? If so, uh,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: every athletic director in the conference would be eligible for that. Uh,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: probably a front runner for something like that. And, you know,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Mark Harlan has a ton of respect around the nation, uh,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: in the, sort of halls of power in college football.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: There's a reason why he's been given college football playoff
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: committee duties twice now. Is that a phone call that
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: he's even taking? I don't think he's got any interest
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: in leaving the University of Utah, but I do know
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: that he has interest in forwarding the agenda of the
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Big 12 Conference and helping out the Big 12 Conference.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: So if there is an interim type a transition of
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: power bridge situation. Mark Carlin would be one of the
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: first guys to get a phone call. I proposed Tom
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Hulmo as a permanent solution, but we've been informed that
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Tom Hulmo is serving as a mission president in the
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: field somewhere.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: 877-353-0700.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: If you could tell me where that is, I'm always
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: fascinated to know where people are going. This is from
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Caden and Caden, you know, I love a good conspiracy theory.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I read something, I read it this morning when it
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: was announced, saying Jormark knows realignment is not going to
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: include any of the Big 12 teams and he doesn't
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: want it falling on him.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Could this be true?
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: For me, the logical explanation doesn't really circle around the
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: idea that zero Big 12 teams would be affected by realignment.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: For the Big 12 commissioner, your actual hope is that
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: you don't have realignment steal a couple of teams from you. Right.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I would think that the opposite is more likely true
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: where he has some idea that, you know, maybe Texas
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: tech is going to get an sec invite as a
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: big spender, or maybe, you know, our, all of our
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: wildest dreams come true. And Utah does get an invitation
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: to the big 10 and the band is the big
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: 12 conference. If you're the commissioner in that moment, you're like,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: get me out of here. I don't want, I mean,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: You think Larry Scott or George Klyovkov wanted to be
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: commissioner over a PAC 12 that wasn't going to include USC, Oregon, Washington, UCLA.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Do you think that anyone wants to be the PAC
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: 12 commissioner of the current Utah state Fresno state that,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: that has other options, right? I mean, it's one of
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: these things where if there is realignment and your teams
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: do get taken, that's bad for you as a commissioner.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: If there's realignment and your teams don't get taken as
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: a commissioner, you're happy about that. Now the individual schools
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: might not be happy about it. Their fan bases are
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: certainly not going to be as happy about it, but
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: as a commissioner, that's better for you. And you would
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: put on a conference level, you would be lauded for
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: People would be like, look what he did. He kept
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: the wolves at bay.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: The sec and the big 10 were sniffing around BYU.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: And he's the one who said no.
• 48:06
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: If anything, I think it goes the opposite way.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: A zero four two zero says Tom Homo is in
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: the California Oakland slash San Francisco mission.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Which is perfect for him. Yeah.
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: Maybe 49ers player, Cal head coach, perfect spot for Tom
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: Homo to be a mission president.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: All right, cool.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Cool.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Tom, 877-353-0700 at real OC sports as well. If you
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: want to give me some feedback on a direction, you
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: could see the conference going and replacing Brett, your Mark,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: and you'll hear it when there's a leadership position in
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: college sports available from here until the end of time,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: which I think is probably about seven years from now
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: when AI kills us all.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: But are, they're going to be more and more.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Businessmen and business women brought into college sports that have
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: like maybe looser connections to the, the sort of power
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: structure of college football than we're accustomed to. I think
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: we're exiting the era now where you cut your teeth
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: as a coach and then you cut, you maybe move
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: into like an athletic director or assistant athletic director role,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: or you're a sports information director, assistant athletic director, and
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: they kind of groom you and move you up the
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: ladder until you're in your late forties, early fifties. And
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: now it's time for you to get a position in
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: as a commissioner and they're like, all right, cool. Now
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: you get to be the commissioner of like the Arizona
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: community college league. And then you move up from there.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: I think that more traditional developmental path is likely a
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: thing of the past. I think what people are going
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: to want is like folks that can go out and
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: raise money, entrepreneurial types that, you know, venture capital type
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: individuals that, where they're just like, yeah, man, like let's
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: shark tank this bad boy. And let's see if we
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: can get whomever involved because there's right now really an
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: over-importance put on money. And when I say over-important, it's
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: not because I think that you shouldn't maximize your earning
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: potential at every turn in college sports. But I think
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: that we have found out kind of the hard way
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: for some teams this year is that it takes a
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: heck of a lot more than that. And in pro sports,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: they've known this for a long time, right? The highest
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: paid player is not always the best player. The largest
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: payroll in baseball is not always the one that wins
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: the world series. This year was the best example of
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: that we've had in a little while.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: You can't just buy championships.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of rosters in college football that
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: have been trying to do that even from before it
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: was legal. And I'm not saying that they're not, on
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: the right path or that that's not something that everyone
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: should be striving for, but it's not enough. And this
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: year is a great example of that in college football.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: The parody of the national landscape is really interesting. I,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I wonder too, we haven't mentioned any current sitting presidents
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: of the big 12 of big 12 schools or otherwise.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: I wonder if that's a direction that they look at.
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: because technically those guys, the presidents and chancellors, just like
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: in pro sports leagues, the owners are the ones that
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: run the league. In college level, it's the presidents and
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: chancellors of the universities that run these leagues, and the
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: commissioner works for them. So I wonder if one of
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: those people who are, quote-unquote, the real bosses, end up
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: taking this commissioner job too. How many of those people,
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: who those people might be that would get considered?
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Ryan Smith, Big 12 commissioner. Cody Campbell, Big 12 commissioner.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I was more thinking President Randall type person, not specifically him.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Not that he wouldn't do a good job, but I
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: don't know that just like we were talking about with
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Mark Harlan, I don't know that he wants to leave Utah.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: But that type of a person. Here's a list. Desiree Reed-Francois,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: the Arizona athletic director.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: How about this one? Garth Loggerway.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Former MLS executive.
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Current president and CEO of Atlanta United.
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: RSL, part of the RSL glory years.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Garth Loggerway. That would be a fun little.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: Reunion.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: We could talk a little Garth Loggerway. Jordan on the
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: text line.
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know if he's being serious, but he says,
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: I really hope Pat McAfee gets the job.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: If Pat McAfee gets the job, Utah is going to
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: get relegated to the Mount West conference.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: Someone else speaking of like sports, college football, talking heads,
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: college football, media people.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Josh Pate was someone else put in there.
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: I don't see, I'm pretty confident in saying unless they're
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: like a former coach or administrator who's, who's now in media,
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: which happens sometimes. I don't think those guys are the
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: right guys for the job. Well, and if you're just
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: people who, who are fans, who've been fans of the
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: game and now talking about the game, I don't think
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: that you're qualified for that.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: The thing is, right.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: I think there's a, a really significant difference between someone.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: It would be lovely to have someone with commissioner level
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: skills on the business front, the negotiation front, the administration front, the, uh,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: the people management front who also was just like a
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: super hardcore football mind.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: That'd be great.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Right.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: It was like a massive fan of the sports.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Not like a, I'm going to sit down and pretend
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: I'm a fan of the sports, not the, I'm going
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: to wear the fancy suit.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: That's two sizes too small.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Like Brett Yormark does and tell everyone how much I
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: love college football, how much I love college basketball, like
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: the person who made that their life. And then they
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: graduated beyond just that individual sport and game, an athletic
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: director and a commissioner and stuff like those skills.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: If you can get one of those people, I think
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: those people are prohibitively rare. Um, who was the, Who's
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: the military guy? We talk to him every year. He's
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: the president of a bowl committee. Oh. We talk to
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: him at Big 12 Media Days every year. I can't
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: believe his name is skipping my mind. Is it the
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Peach Bowl guy?
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Is it the Peach Bowl guy?
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: But you know what I'm talking about? We talked about
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Big 12 Media Day every single year, and he was
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: like an admiral every And now he's in the college
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: football playoff, the executive director of the college football playoff
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: committee or something. You probably don't need to go to
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: an individual conference. I think you might already be higher
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: on the ladder.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: I'm at rich Clark.
• 55:16
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: We have had him on a fair amount of times.
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: So almost every bowl season and media days is another
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: time that, that he, does his media tour and.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: He's up on our station.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: He's the executive director of the, the college football playoff committee.
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: Now I think retired air force Lieutenant general.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Like just an absolute stud of a human being who
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: happened to end up in the college football world, college
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: athletics world, like by all means, that's the kind of
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: guy I want as a commissioner. I don't think– I
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: think he's got a better, easier job than being the
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Big 12 commissioner, so he's probably not coming back down
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: that line. I don't know what the pay difference would
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: be or anything like that.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I wonder if that would be down from where
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: he is or if that would be more of a
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: lateral move or if that's– I don't know what that
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: is from CFP executive director. You would think that CFP
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: executive director might be a higher position in all the
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: ways you can think of, but maybe– being a conference
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: commissioner of a power for is, I don't know.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: 47, 42 71 says, I think it needs to be
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: a very well-connected money mind as the commissioner, the new
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: commissioner for the big 12 conference. Ryan says, Condoleezza rice,
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: maybe here's the thing.
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: She's with the Broncos ownership group, if I'm not mistaken
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: right now.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: So the, the, the financial mind, the money mind sounds great.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: Awesome.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Let's figure it out. Let's figure out a way we
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: can make that happen. But, from a practical sense, what
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: does the big 12 have to offer that is going
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: to bring in that money, the innovation that you need
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: here and that a commissioner would have to spearhead. If
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: we want the big 12 institutions outside of Texas tech
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: and BYU to get on equal financial footing to the
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: big 10 and the sec, well, you got to wait
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: several years before you can get that from a television contract.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: I think you have to convince your conference that, to
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: sell access that other teams are not selling. I think
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: that's the best way to close the revenue gap for
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: the university of Utah is to sell access in a
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: way that other teams aren't. And that, that means taking
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: on the risk of doing things like streaming practices or allowing,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: you know, selling tickets to practices or making it so that,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Fans have regular, not once a year fan fest, have
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: regular contact with your student athletes.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: And they have to pay for it. It becomes a
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: premium product.
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: They're taking a step in that direction with the premium
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: on-field seating that they're doing. They're starting with the Holy War.
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: They've already started. You were saying that they are.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Giving.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: earlier access in the Houston game. They tried it out
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: at the Houston game, those North end zone seats. But
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't get an exact count. It seems
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: like there's like 50 of those seats and they're probably,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know, 500 bucks a game. So whatever that
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: is times six games a year that brings in money.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: But I'm, I'm talking about like finding ways and you
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: would have to do it again. If you're the commissioner,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: you have to do it on a conference wide level
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: to where you're like, look guys, we saw the, the
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: athletics report on NIL funding and spending and.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Trusting that first of all, that Congress.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: And the government are going to get involved and pass
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: something that creates a more realistic salary cap. That's obstacle
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: number one. And then obstacle number two would be making
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: it enforceable and actually having it be a real thing.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: In college sports where.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: The gap gets narrowed, the big 12 conference right now,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: are the overachievers in football. Relying on them to continue
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: to be the overachievers is not a strategy for a
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: conference commissioner. That is hope, and hope is not a strategy.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: 0070 says, Bill Riley, Big 12 commissioner.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: Uh, 1943 says my vote is Sean O'Connell for the
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: new commissioner. You can just threaten to beat people up
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: to make some deals happen.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, maybe, maybe they do an American idol
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: type situation. ESPN did the dream job competition a while
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: back where you were basically American idling your way into
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: becoming a sports center anchor.
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: If the big 12 did that, it's like the apprentice,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: but you get to become the commissioner. That would be
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: the sickest thing ever. And I would, I would quit
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: this job to pursue that. You know how fun it
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: would be.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: You know, no way you would quit this dream job
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: for that lesser, maybe someone else's dream job.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: No way you would do that. All right. Crazy. Taylor
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: says I'd be a good big 12 commission. Let's go.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: Let's start the campaign. Do you think they have like
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: a regular job listing for this? There's a job application.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Go on Monster. Is that
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: still a job board?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Go on Monster. Is Monsters.com still a job thing? That's
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: where it's posted. It's only posted there.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Monster.com. Find jobs.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: You go to Monster.com and they're just like, yeah, we're
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: affiliated with Monster Energy. So you're already big 12. Look,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: there are people out there that we have no idea.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Remember when Oregon hired Dan Lanning and everyone went, huh?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: And he was the.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: Defensive coordinator for a national championship team, but we still
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: were like, who's that?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: But he's like 34 years old and everyone's just like
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Dan Lanning.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Dan Lanning wasn't even on anybody's candidate lists.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: I got a feeling that the eventual person that they
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: hire is going to be someone like that.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: You know what? How about it?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Give me someone who is no older than 45 years
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: old and that can adapt to the everyday changes in
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: college football more effectively.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: I've just, this whole thing has my head spinning because
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: the big 12 conference needs someone who won't take no
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: for an answer and is willing to push an agenda
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: that only serves the big 12 conference. that doesn't care
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: if the ACC is mad at you, that the big
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: 10 and the sec are looking down at you, that
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: you have to just be that convinced that the big
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: 12 conference is going to survive all of these rounds
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: of realignment and reconstruction and refinancing and whatever else is
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: coming down the pipe.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: We'll get Taylor buttering you up. By the way, you
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: are smart and intimidating and you know what it takes.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: I trust you to get it done. You know what, Taylor?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Let's do this. If I get hired as big 12 commissioner, Taylor,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: I'm giving you a job. And then he said, you
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: aren't under 45.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: You are. I am.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: You're that guy that you just described.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I just turned 43.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: We need to, we need to get a graphics to
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: make a little, to make something you can share on
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: social media that you're throwing your hat in the ring.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: I'm doing it. I'm doing it.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: We're making a real campaign. What about stealing a high-up
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: individual from the SEC or the Big Ten? Actually, the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: deputy commissioner of the SEC, Charlie Hussey, what a name.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Charlie Hussey is high on a lot of these lists
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: as a potential replacement.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, I was thinking that, too, with how the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: PGA grabbed Brian Rolap from the NFL, a guy that
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: a lot of people feel like could still be the
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: next commissioner. of the NFL and probably would have been
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: if he stayed as he, I think was basically Roger
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: Goodell's number two deputy commissioner type for the NFL before
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: he took the PGA job. So using that model, go
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: take Charlie Hussey from the sec, which you're right. What
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: a name, uh, Hussie, but also Charlie Hussle in there.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: That's amazing.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Jessica Presnell is the chief legal officer and general counsel
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: for the SEC conference. She spent 10 and a half
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: years as the COO and general counsel of the Big
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: 12 conference. Oh, so she's already got time with the comp.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: She was an assistant director of compliance at Baylor university.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: She got her law degree from Oklahoma and she did
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: her undergrad at Oklahoma state. So this is a big
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: 12 kind of gal. And she was a key figure
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: in the house settlement negotiations. So this is someone who
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: is very interwoven into the fabric of not only college
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: sports and college football, but but the current issues around
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: college football, having dealt with the house settlement.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: So that's got the resume for it.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Certainly got the resume for it.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: Now, whether she has interest in it and honestly, maybe
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at it from the wrong angle. Don't look
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: for the person that you think is best for the
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: big 12. Look for the person who's actually interested in,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: in taking on the challenges of the big 12 right now,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: because that's going to be a huge problem. I mean,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: there's a plenty of people that you could find that
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: their resume say they're qualified for this. How many of
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: them actually want to take on the, the problems of
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: this league? How many of them want to sit in
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: meetings once a month with Cody Campbell and have to
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: tell him, sir, you're not even really in an official
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: capacity with us here.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: But then that gets in the way of your candidacy
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: and Taylor, Taylor Cram as your campaign manager. So we
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: don't like that.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: The Big 12 needs to hire Flo, the progressive lady,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: as the commissioner for the extra sponsorship and revenue stream.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: You know what? How about hire the emu?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: The lemu emu.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: The first animal commissioner. The first commissioner from the animal kingdom.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: You want to be truly innovative, Big 12 conference? Just
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: get the most advanced AI agent that's out there on
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: the market today. And hire that thing. Ultron is now
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: your new big 12 commissioner. I saw Tony Robbins, a
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: little Tony Robbins video the other day. He's got like this.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: He's got a name for it, whatever it is. He's
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: got this AI assistant that bought him something. Oh, and
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: it physically showed up at his house.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: That's scary.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: And he was like, wait a minute. How did this
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: thing get access to money? And apparently, there's like a
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: whole side market. There's like a social media. There's like
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: a Reddit where it's only the artificial intelligence agents that
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: are talking to each other. And according to Tony Robbins,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: they traded over $ 100 million in real money and currency
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: between them last month.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: This terrifies me. So you know what?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: We've been talking too much about this, but my final
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: stance is, does it matter who the big 12 hires
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter as long as it's you, unless it's me,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: then it's cool.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: 2 bad. Bill Walton isn't around. He'd be great pick
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: for commission.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: The problem with bill Walton is he'd be like, how
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: many PAC 12 schools are in this big 12 conference?
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: And they'd be like, I'm like, there's four, but it
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: was like kind of the new ones. He'd be like, nevermind.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do it.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: BYU is close in proximity to a Pac-12 school.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Doesn't count. Doesn't count.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:07:33
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  Speaker 2: their rotational linebackers, Monte Whedon, listed as doubtful. Questionable for
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: one of their best offensive linemen, Tarantayo. Same is true
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  Speaker 2: for one of their best defensive linemen. Well, to be fair,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's one of their best defensive linemen.
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  Speaker 1: But Josh....
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  Speaker 2: Josh Huff is also listed as doubtful. Um, the BYU
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  Speaker 2: injury report, Evan Johnson and LA Martin are out probable
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  Speaker 2: now for Preston Rex and Kyle's far choke. Arizona state
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  Speaker 2: looks like they're down to a third string quarterback and, um,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: lyric Rawls is questionable. Although Mikey Keene might play backup quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Mikey Keene might play for Arizona state. Uh, the quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: national reports started to look at what LJ Martin's outlook
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  Speaker 2: is for returning to action. And as I think probably
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  Speaker 2: all of us in Salt Lake city expected Pete Thamel
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  Speaker 2: and others reporting that they think that LJ Martin is
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  Speaker 2: going to play against Utah. Now I have it on
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: pretty good authority that LJ Martin had a minor surgery
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  Speaker 2: to take care of that high ankle sprain, that leg
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  Speaker 2: injury he's been dealing with. And that makes it likely
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  Speaker 2: that he's probably not 100% when he comes back for Utah.
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  Speaker 2: If you're a player of his caliber, you don't need
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  Speaker 2: to be 100% to affect the game. You don't need
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  Speaker 2: He's a better football player than most people. Utah's run
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  Speaker 2: defense has looked really good. They're going to have to
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  Speaker 2: bow up against Cincinnati, and they're going to have to
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  Speaker 2: bow up against BYU is going to run with their quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to run with Sione Moa. They're going to
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  Speaker 2: run with Rex. They're going to run with LJ Martin
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  Speaker 2: if he's available. The injury recovery timelines are different now
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  Speaker 2: in college football because, again, we've got to get another
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  Speaker 2: peptide person on the show. there's all of these different
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  Speaker 2: we've learned this in the last decade or so are
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: no longer that previous career ending injuries. Those almost don't
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: exist anymore because of all the different stuff you can take.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: And if I'm being honest, I don't want there to
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: be any excuses on either side for Utah or BYU
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: when the Holy Wars played at 10 a.m.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: Eight days from now.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: I want both teams to be as close to their
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: best as is reasonably possible and for Utah to get
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  Speaker 2: the win, not because LJ Martin is out or is
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  Speaker 2: hampered or limited, but because Utah is the better football team.
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  Speaker 1: I know that you take it.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: However you can, and I know that Utah has been
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: victimized by BYU in the past. when important players were injured.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: And I know that the opposite is true where Utah
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: has been able to get over on the Cougs because
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: they didn't have their best lineup available. But the best
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: version of every college football game is a full strength.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: Team versus a full strength team. You wonder, OC, because
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: LJ Martin had surgery. You wonder, okay, maybe we start
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: assuming he's going to play next week in the Holy war,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: but how limited is he going to be? Is he
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: going to be anywhere near full strength? I wouldn't bet
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: on that, right? But that doesn't mean he's not going
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: to be super effective. Even a limited L.J. Martin, Big
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: 12 Offensive Player of the Year last year, good start
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: to the season before he got injured this year, is
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 5: going to be a boost for that BYU offense. So
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: that'll be really interesting to see what level of L.J.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 5: Martin we see next week, if indeed he does play
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: like it looks like he will.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: I just looked it up because I'm not an orthopedist.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: The alleged surgery that he had, the tightrope surgery, which is.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Instead of screwing things together, they wrap this thing and
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: pull the bones back.
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  Speaker 5: It's ugly looking. I don't like looking at the diagrams. Yeah,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: I don't like thinking about the diagrams.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: But typical.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: recovery takes one to three months for normal daily activities
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: and three to six months for high impact sport.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: It's been five weeks for LJ Martin. It will be
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: by next week, right? Or is it, has it already been? No, no, no.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: It's already, I think this week is week six. Okay. Okay.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: That's not Doesn't seem like it's enough time, but we'll
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 5: just have to see.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Now, they do these projections for normals, for mortals like
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: the rest of us, right? It's not for the highly
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: tuned athlete body that is pervasive in college football these days.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Days one to four, ankles protected in a splint or
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: a cam boot. Weeks one to three, patients transition out
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: of the boot, work on swelling control, gentle range of
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: motion exercises. gradual restoration of weight-bearing. Weeks four to six,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: many everyday activities and light jogging or sports-specific drills can begin.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Elite athletes sometime return to play as early as four
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: to six weeks. Weeks, sorry, months three to six, full-strength
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: agility and complete return to high-demand sports or physical labor
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: are usually achieved. So not out of the realm of
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: possibility that four to six weeks, you're back at it.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: I think that the Utah game was the exact six-week mark.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, that he would be returning.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: Yikes.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: All right, that's enough for the Advocates Injury Report, 801-355-5550, utahadvocates.com.
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• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Before we head to the Daily Dump, Papa Roach is
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• 1:18:47
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  Speaker 2: and having their statues, the bronze likeness unveiled in front
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  Speaker 2: of the arena or the practice facility or on the
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  Speaker 2: street that's named after them, and everyone raising an eyebrow
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: and trying not to laugh because there's a lot of
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: sculptors out there who just don't get the likeness right.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: That happened with Dwayne Wade's statue, if any of you
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: remember it. It was about two years ago that the
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Miami Heat unveiled the Dwayne Wade statue. And he was
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: kind of like shouting in celebration, pointing down like, you know.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: There's the photo.
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  Speaker 5: It's the it's depicting when he stood up on the
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: scores table after he hit the game, when a game
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: winner at the buzzer.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: And he said, this is this is my house or
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: this is our house. That's what it was depicting. And,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: you know. It's the right jersey number.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: It's.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: A well-executed basketball player likeness. But the problem is that
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: that statue looked like Kelsey Grammer.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: It didn't look like Dwayne Wade at all.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: It just, the cheeks were way too skinny. There was
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: not enough mass in the cheekbones there. His neck also
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: probably not enough fat in there. Needed a little bit
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: of filler. And the good news is they did exactly that.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: The update of the statue. That's what it looks like
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: to me. Oh, see, he went to a beautician and
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: got a little filler on the face and in the neck,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: and he looks like an actual person and someone that
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 5: looks like Dwayne Wade.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: The new likeness looks just like Dwayne Wade. I mean,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: it really does look like Dwayne Wade. It's well executed.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: It's great. It looks like the photo. It's awesome. I
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: want to know, did they cut off the old head?
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: You just saw the head off the bronze statue?
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: Because it's not just the face. It's the neck up
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 5: looks completely different, and it looks like Dwayne Wade, not
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: like the screaming Kelsey Grammer monster that the original one
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: looked like.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: You know what's really fantastic about it is they took
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: it and ran with it in Miami. There's like a
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: graffiti mural about it. five stories high on the side
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: of a nearby building. And it's a painting of the
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: Kelsey grammar face, uh, version of the statue and a
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: little thought, a little, uh, speech bubble coming out that says,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: who is that guy?
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: It's fantastic. I love that.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: Uh, by the way, he's Dwayne Wade's one of ours now,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 5: cause he's in the jazz ownership group. So one of
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: ours just got a statue in Miami, jazz, great Dwayne Wade.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Uh, Famously the Cristiano Ronaldo statue unveil was absolutely terrible.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: David Beckham has one that I think is in like some,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: it's not his official, it's like an LA galaxy one from,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: It's bad though.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: And you know, I will say this, the right thing
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: to do if you're going to do a bronze statue
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: of the human, of human beings is, you really, really
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: can't spare the expense on this stuff. Because when a
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: sculpture is botched, it is botched bad, and when it's
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: someone who's iconic, like Dwayne Wade, it's so recognizable.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it matters.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: When it's real people that are used as models, but
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: it's not, it doesn't look like those real people, it
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: doesn't matter near as much. It matters when it's a
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: famous person, an iconic person, like athletes like Dwayne Wade,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: for sure.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: You could do, you could take the original Dwayne Wade head.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: And if you want to save some money and you're
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: going to put a Kyle Whittingham statue up, eventually you
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: could just like put some longer hair on it and
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: it might pass for coach with the original Dwayne Wade,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: a Kelsey grammar could play Kyle Whittingham in a movie,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: you know, there's enough.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: It looks more like.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham than it looks like Dwayne Wade. So you could,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: you could do that. If you wanted to save a little.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: Bit of dough. I hadn't even thought of that.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: They had to have decapitated the original version of the statue.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: And how do you do that?
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: Do you have to melt it off or could you
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: just saw through bronze? If you're a sculptor out there,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: let me know.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: 877-353-0700.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: How do you do that? How do you fix a
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: statue when you have to change the head? I need
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: to know.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: Great update, though, for Miami. This one is sad news.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: June Jones, former Hawaii and SMU coach, passes away at
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: 73 years of age. One of the pioneers of the
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: run-and-shoot offense. You can still see vestiges of that offense
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: in college football now. Took Hawaii to its highest heights
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: ever in college football. That Colt Brennan Sugar Bowl team.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: Timmy Chang, who's the current coach at the University of Hawaii,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: was in tears.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: Talking about this.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: One of my one of my fight buddies played for
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: June Jones at the University of Hawaii. And, you know,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: it's like he he is beloved by his old players.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: So bum deal. June Jones passing away at 73, which
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: it's 73 is one of those ages.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Where it's not old. But it's not young either.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: When you see someone passes away at 73 years of age,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, man.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: That's too bad. They must have been sick or something
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: is what is what comes to mind.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: Well, but also not because you're like, yeah, it's like
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: right on that line of demarcation where you're just like, yeah,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: you can pass away at 73 years of age. And
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: it's like your number got. Punched a little bit early,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: but that is old.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: That's when people start to have health complications. It's a young,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: old person. How about that?
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: It's a young... Yeah. And then you're like, wait a second,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: how old are my parents?
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: Yikes. Yeah.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: And then you get into, like, yesterday also, Jean-Luc Picard,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: Professor X. Patrick Stewart, the actor who played both of
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: those iconic characters. Professor X, of course, from the X-Men movies.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: Jean-Luc Picard from... Star Trek, he died yesterday at 86
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: years of age. They just finished filming Avengers Doomsday with
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: him playing Professor X.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: And he's no longer there.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: That's, you know, he's been in a lot of the
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: stuff that you have watched growing up. And he's been
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: part of your pop culture life for, in my case,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: you know, 35 years.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 5: And for those wondering what that interruption to crosstalk was yesterday,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: that was me.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: That was James.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: That was me getting in the ears of Spence and
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: OC off air in our way that we can do
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: it off air, telling them that Sir Patrick Stewart, the
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: news of Sir Patrick Stewart passing away came in at
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: the end of the show yesterday.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: So RIP to both of those guys.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: By the way, we need like an order of the
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: British Empire in like the equivalent of that in the
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: United States. Because when you hear about these people and
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: you have to call them Sir Patrick, Sir David Beckham.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: It sounds so cool. When they're a knight or a dame, right?
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: That's so cool. It's so awesome. Dame Judi Dench. Come on, man.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: It's such a cool thing. You're a knight of the realm?
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: Yes, I am.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: Does that mean you have to do anything? No, it's
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: just like an honorific. We need the equivalent of that.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: And I know that there's like civilian medals and things
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: like that that are handed out, but it doesn't change.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: It's like doctor.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: It's like there should be a title for people who
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom, like that sort of thing,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: because that might be the equivalent that we have in
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: the United States of the highest honor in the land
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: for a civilian. There should be some cool title that
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: comes with that.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: All right, we've got to go take a break. We're
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• 1:28:18
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• 1:28:20
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  Speaker 6: You're listening to The Sean O'Connell Show, your source for.
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  Speaker 4: we got football college and pro we got halloween love
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  Speaker 4: colorful fighters in the ufc ronardo moicano going uh boys
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  Speaker 4: this guy maximized uh social media, huh?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's a, he's a funny guy. Interesting to follow.
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  Speaker 2: Um, well, if I come trick or treating at the
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: Sterling house, what are you guys handing out?
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: Well, we do, we don't get a whole lot of
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: kids and we used to get like 80 to a
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: hundred kids, probably like 15 to 25 kids. So we
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: do a full size candy bars and, uh, actually had
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: a kid come by, uh, one of the neighbor kids and, uh,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: He wanted to know if it was true that we
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: do give out full-size candy bars. And I said, yeah.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: He says, what time are you open for business? I
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: was there tonight. So, you know, I like this kid.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's scouting out. You know, he's deciding what
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: his path is going to be. And he wants to
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: make sure he gets– He gets one of the full-size
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: Snickers before he heads out to some of the not-so-great houses.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: Smart kid. Here's what my prediction is. He's going to
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: be one of the first to show up, and then
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: he's going to also be one of the last to
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: show up on his way out. He's going to be like, yeah,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: I just thought I'd hit you twice. Maybe hope you
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: forget about me.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: Maybe if you've ever seen, there's one kid that came
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: at one year, he came with different costumes a couple
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: of years later.
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  Speaker 1: Perfect.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: What do you, so what do you serve up at
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: the house?
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: Uh, we got the, we're not doing the full size. We,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: thankfully there's some more kids in the neighborhood. Now, when
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: we first moved in, we were hardly getting any, uh,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: my wife does the, the squeeze it. So you'd remember
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: those like, uh, They're like their little Capri Sun pouch
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: type things.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Those are great.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: And you need those. You need those as you're making
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: the rounds so you can drink one of those. That's
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: a great idea. I do remember getting those. That's always a, that's,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: that's a great thing. And, or, you know, just tell
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: a kid, you know, grab, grab a handful, right?
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: Some things. Yeah.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: But hydrating the little monsters as they run around.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: Let's try it.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Let's get to the pigs.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: It's a, it's a really interesting slate of games this
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: weekend in college football. Some big ones, including a big
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: 10 matchup between Ohio state and USC. The Buckeyes are
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: six and a half point favorites.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: How does it go?
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So I watched the tape of the kid that's
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: going to start for Ohio state and Luke Fahey from California.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: I know he played in the Ball State game, the
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: Kent State game, and then he played in the last quarter,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: which is a tough, tough insertion to play against Indiana
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: when you've been sitting on the sidelines against a tough
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: opponent like that. I'm just not real impressed. I think
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: that they maybe should have gone with sophomore Tabian St. Clair,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: but Ryan Day says that Fahey is the better practice player,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: and I don't know if that translates into the game
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: all the time. USC's offense is a total mystery. I mean,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: they go to play Wisconsin minus 17 rushing yards. you know,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: they're talented. They got a bunch of four and five
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: star guys, but sometimes, you know, they live up to
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: the mantra USC soft. So I'm not sure, but you know,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: maybe they get a good crowd, you know, this weekend,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: maybe some of the people that head out in the boat,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: you know, go to the antique car festivals, decide to
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: show up for their one game a year, but they've
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: got talent may have, but their quarterback is impressive and,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: I'm calling for the upset. I think Ohio state's going
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: to lose a game or two the rest of the year.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: USC stir up.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: 26, 23.
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  Speaker 3: Hot.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: I like it into big 12.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: Actually we go Oklahoma state eight and a half point
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: favorites against Iowa state. Who's come back down to reality
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: after a couple of impressive games early on, but you
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: could say the same about Oklahoma state potentially. So how
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: does this contest go?
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: Well, two mess makers still, he he's, he's been hot.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: Here's a kid who, Since the opening day loss to Tulsa,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: he's thrown for over 300 yards in every game. Talk
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: about consistency. 19 touchdowns, just four interceptions. I think he's
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: going to end up being the first quarterback drafted. And
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: on the other side, I would say quarterback Jalen Raylor,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: Jalen Raylor, he just, this isn't a sunbelt anymore here, Jalen.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: So they just, he can't push the ball down the
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: field with, with, any type of accuracy. I like Oklahoma state.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: I think they pull away and win this game here,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: 40 to 24.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: The win and cover for Oklahoma state there.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: We'll skip over these next two because they're the in-state games,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: but to the NFL Seahawks are two and a half
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: point favorites against the bears. Both of these teams with
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: some big time personnel acquisitions are Seahawks added Quentin Nelson.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: Bears added Jeffrey Simmons. So great offensive lineman added to
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks. Great defensive lineman added to the Bears. Changes
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: the matchup on the line of scrimmage pretty significantly. Does
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: it change the outcome of the game?
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: These two guys could be matched up over 75% of
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: the time, which is interesting in their new uniform. But
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: they faced each other before here many times in practice
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: and in games. So I just think that this is
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: a great matchup. I think Seattle is probably running back
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: away from being the best team in the NFL again.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: So Zach Charbonneau is going to return here off injury.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: He got injured late in the year last year, the
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: ACL injury. He'll probably be on a pitch count. So
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: they're going to monitor him. And, you know, if he
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: does his job, they'll probably, you know, just run with
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: what they got for the rest of the year, if not.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: If they have some questions, they might go out. They
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: might make a trade for a Jonathan Taylor. They might
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: go for a San Juan Barkley that could happen, but
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: they're playing at home. I think they have the best
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: special teams in the NFL, Michael Dixon, the way he
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: spins that ball inside the 10 and the place kicker,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: Jason Myers, pretty much a deadly inside of 60 yards here.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: I like Seattle, 27, 21 Seattle.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: To win and to cover in that one. Game of
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: the week is a divisional matchup.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: Chiefs, Broncos. Chiefs are one-and-a-half-point favorites.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: Doesn't get much better than this. And I think there's
• 1:35:21
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• 1:35:25
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  Speaker 3: And how about this?
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• 1:35:46
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• 1:35:49
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• 1:35:53
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• 1:35:56
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  Speaker 2: BYU, 16 and a half point favorites against Arizona State.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: The Sun Devils might be down to QB three in
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: this one. LJ Martin still out of the lineup for BYU.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: And obviously, most importantly for them, they're coming off a
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: kind of hangover loss. They beat Notre Dame a couple
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: of weeks ago. They go on the road to UCF.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: High scoring double overtime affair. Crazy end of game. They
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: lose that one. And now they'll have to look and
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: bounce back. And 16 and a half is a big number, Lee.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: It is. And if they were coming off of a
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: win at UCF, I would say this might be a
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: trap game. But coming off that game, I mean, it
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: was a strange game. It was in rain for most
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: of the game. And I don't think the officiating was
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: very good. They didn't play especially well. But, you know,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: those things happen. I expect them to bounce back here.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: So they can't afford any more losses. this Arizona state team,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: all three quarterbacks combined. If you look just at their stats,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: 17 touchdowns, five interceptions, but a lot of turnovers fumbles,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: a couple of pick sixes here. And all you need,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: you know, is a punt return for, for 30, 40 yards.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: You have an interception in their own zone and Arizona
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: state could get wiped out here. So I think the
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: motivation is there. And I think they'll hit on some
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: big plays here. against the safety. I think the safety
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: for Arizona State can be had. I like BYU here.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: I think the winning cover here, 41-20.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, before we get to the Utah game, twice now
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: BYU has had very strange end-of-game scenarios.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: Twice in two weeks, they had weird ones.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: And then the officiating comes out, and there's a statement
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: from the Big 12 conference officials or whatever, hey, should
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: have given Notre Dame one more second, or hey, that
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: 10-second runoff should not have happened. And obviously these things
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: change how you perceive the game as a fan. It
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: changes it even more if you're a better and you've
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: got some money on the line.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: Is there ever any recourse or anything that you can do?
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: Not that I've seen. Not that I've seen. I'd love
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: for there to be recourse. You just want the most
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: honest result and the fairest result. And, you know, as
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: far as injuries, you know, we want to think the
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: public those injuries should be divulged to the public you
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: know uh the penalty should be higher i mean there
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: was a couple years ago kirk cousins is playing i'm
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: like there's something seriously wrong with him He has nothing
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: on his ball, nothing that came out after the year
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: in the show quarterback that, you know, he had an
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: injured arm. So a serious injury, but somehow was trying
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: to play. So nothing didn't even report on the injury list.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: So it's a real problem. And I've talked to some
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 4: friends who are officials or past officials. It's a good
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: old boy network, you know, The best officials should be officiating, but,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: you know, they're judged by usually ex-officials who a lot
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: of times are their friends. And so the assignments aren't
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: going a lot of times to the best officials.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: It's annoying, but ultimately you just got to roll with
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: whatever happens. And now we get to a situation for Utah.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: Big win at Rice Echo Stadium against Houston. Won and covered,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: which I think both of us thought they would win,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: but neither of us thought they would cover. They, they
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: win and cover last week. They've got a huge monster
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: rivalry game next week. They're going on the road to
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: time zones, East to Cincinnati and Utah. One of the
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: last three undefeated teams in the country are six and
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: a half point favorites in what could be a trap
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: game here for them.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: How do you see it?
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be a trap game. If Cincinnati was
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: traveling off that huge upset against Texas tech, I would
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: say this is a game that might get blown out,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: but They also have a ton of tape here on
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 4: new Utes offensive coordinator, Kevin McGiven from Utah State. So
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: people are starting to devise some pretty good game plans
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: against them. And Houston had it. They just couldn't close
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: the door and give their offense credit. Uh, they did
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: what they had to do to rally back after being
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: pretty much shut out for most of the first three quarters. And,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: and the defense made their stops. I love the schemes,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: you know, coming after kind of Wegman. He's one of
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: those guys doesn't feel pressure, but Cincinnati right now, one
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: of the best dual threat teams running and throwing the football.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: I think the Holy war a little bit, there's a
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: little bit of look ahead with that game on, on
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: deck here, but I think Utah will do enough to
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: win the game. I just don't want to lay six
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: and a half, seven points here. I do Utah winning
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: another nail biter here.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: 31 28.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: I think the right side is to take the points
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: in Cincinnati.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: All right. Utah will win, but they won't cover. That's fine.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: A dub is all this Utah fan base needs. He's
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• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: to talk to you next week because, of course, that
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: will be rivalry talk.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, Utah, BYU, Alabama, LSU, and Miami, Notre Dame.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: Does it get any better? If anyone invites you to
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  Speaker 1: That's Lee Sterling.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks, Lee.
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  Speaker 2: out of nine weeks so far this year on the
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• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: All right. Coordinators corner. That's coming next. We talk with
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: Kevin McGivin.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: If you heard it live on Wednesday, I guess you
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: can go run an errand for the next 20 or
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: so minutes. But if you haven't heard it yet, we
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• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 6: Let's dive into this week's matchup in the coordinator's corner
• 1:42:10
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  Speaker 2: Right now, we're talking offense, coordinator's corner, brought to you
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• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: Kevin McGibbon is kind enough to join us on the show.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: Mac G, how are you, sir?
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: Doing good. How are you guys doing?
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: Doing all right. 7-0. Tell me what's the best thing
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: about 7-0 right now, Coach?
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow. I haven't had to see Morgan too mad yet,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: I guess, maybe. You know, it always makes life easier
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: when you come off a win. You know, and so
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: being here and not having to face that adversity yet
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: is pretty good, so.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of narrative about whether or not your
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: team was tested heading into a game against the top
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: 15 Houston squad. And, you know, all you can do
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: is beat the teams in front of you. But there's,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: I think, some validity to the fact that the schedule
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: gets tougher in the second half of the season for Utah.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: And so maybe it felt like the first big test.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe it felt like you were facing an equal. And statistically,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: Houston and Utah were very similar coming into these games.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: But tell me how it was preparing for Houston and
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: then going out and seeing you guys execute the way
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: they did, knowing that they were probably a better team
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: than any of the ones you had faced in the
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: six weeks previously.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there was, there was a lot of really,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: really focused practices, a lot of energy, you know, I
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: think players understood what was at stake. I think we
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: got a little bit of a wake up call the
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: week before when I'm playing Colorado, because you know, that,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: that was a close game and, and we didn't feel
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: like we performed at our best. And so there were
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: some learning moments coming out of that game that we
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: had to apply just to be better, period, regardless of
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: who we were playing. But put a lot of good
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: preparation in on Houston. And, you know, I think, you know,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: the kids kind of took it to heart with some
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: of the naysayers and wanted to go out there and
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: prove that we belonged at this level and could compete.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: We overuse in sports media, I know I'm guilty of this,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: halftime adjustments. And you hear guys who are like, actually
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: in football, be like, man, I've never adjusted anything at
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: halftime in my life. But this was a tale of
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: two halves for your offense. All those other previous games,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: you've been off to a hot start, and that didn't
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: happen against Houston. Of course, things really got going after
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: the halftime break. So tell me what that tale of
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: two halves looked like from your perspective.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: You know, there was, and there was pretty good ball
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: movement going on in the first half. A couple of
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: third down situations that we got out of, we, you know,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: with some miscommunications and some lack of execution, how to
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: add a turnover on a, on a drive that, you know,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: I think that's first take the, you know, we were
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: starting to stay in that drive, pushing the ball down
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: the field. And then, and then came away with no
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: points in the, in the two minute at the end
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: of the first half, you know, did a really good
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: job fighting out of a backup situation, getting it down
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: to where we can take a shot at the end
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: zone with six seconds left, knowing that we're trying to
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: preserve time for a field goal. And so my message
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: to them at halftime was, you know, I didn't think
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: the score was indicative of what they were doing, moving
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: the ball and just need to go out and capitalize on,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: on some situations and be able to finish some of
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: those off. And, you know, and so, you know, the
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: kids weren't even phased when I saw them in the
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: locker room, they were, they were, They were extremely dialed
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: in and really looked unflappable in that moment, which was
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: good to see because they hadn't been in that moment yet.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: And then there were some schematic adjustments that we had
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: to make with just some things Houston was doing, in
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: particular to the run game. and with some of the
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: protections and things like that, where we had to, you know,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: go back to a little bit more gap scheme, playing
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: a little bit more, you know, some of more of
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: our option wrinkles, you know, getting dev more involved as a,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: as a reader. And then, and then a lot of
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: things he could, he just kind of took upon himself,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: you know, when he took the game over and, you know,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: just went through his process when I called passes really quickly.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: And so decided he needed to use his feet to
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: get us back on track, which was definitely what we needed.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: That was going to be my next question.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: Was that something that you as a coaching staff decided,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: or was that Devin Dampier just recognizing the green grass
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: in front of him?
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Or I imagine some balance to that.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a big part of it was his
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: preparation going in and, You know, with the defensive scheme,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: there was a lot of lift and carry where, you know,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: they had wall players that were carrying verticals, and so
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: a lot of people that were getting depth and turning
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: their back away from the quarterback. You know, and so...
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: his ability to recognize that and, you know, also to
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: pre-snap diagnose the coverage and where he needed to take
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: his eyes. And so, you know, it wasn't a lot
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: of fulfilled progressions going on. You know, he got his
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: eyes to a spot that he thought should be there.
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  Speaker 3: And then if it looked muddy, then he was very decisive.
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  Speaker 3: You know, but it took enough time to let things lift,
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  Speaker 3: to kind of let things sort out in front of
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  Speaker 3: him and then made some of those decisions to go.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought... I thought it was appropriate, you know,
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  Speaker 3: but I think it was also part of him just
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: taking over the game, putting the team on his shoulders and,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: and said, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to Willis
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  Speaker 3: to victory here.
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  Speaker 2: Speaker 2 I mean, this is probably a dumb question
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: to ask, but how, how nice is that to have
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: a guy who's capable of doing it? Because there's a
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: lot of quarterbacks that are technically proficient. And I don't
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: know that their coaches and their coordinators truly trust that
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  Speaker 2: he's always going to make the right decision.
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  Speaker 1: He is capable of putting a team on his back
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  Speaker 1: and doing that.
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  Speaker 3: That.
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  Speaker 1: You do have that.
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  Speaker 2: So you could call a great game, but hopefully Devin,
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  Speaker 2: can you make it even better?
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know how common that is in college football.
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  Speaker 1: You have that luxury.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. And it is a, it is a luxury,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: you know, um, you know, and, and I, I would say,
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  Speaker 3: I would say up to this point, just with the,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: with the offensive scheme and philosophy, you know, where he's,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: he's really tried hard to match with that and, and
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: really tries hard to apply it in the games and
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: doing the right things, distributing the ball appropriately and things
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  Speaker 3: like that. You know, but I don't know that I
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  Speaker 3: had really seen him. I mean, seeing him make a
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  Speaker 3: lot of plays, but I don't know if I had
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  Speaker 3: really seen him flip that switch like that before. And,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: you know, with my experience with him, but I, but
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: I told him after the game, I was like, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: you got to get on the headset and tell me
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  Speaker 3: when you're ready to take this thing over. Cause I
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: need to call it appropriately. And he's been, he's been
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: awesome and made a ton of plays and he's, he's
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: running the offense really well, but there was, there was
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: kind of a different level to his mindset. And so,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: you know, it was, I started to kind of pick
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: up on that and then, you know, started to try
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  Speaker 3: to call it appropriately based on what his mindset was.
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  Speaker 2: I probably asked you about this before, but one of
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  Speaker 2: my favorite things about getting to know Devin and, and
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: talking to him about mistakes that he does make is
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: that he's got that short memory and that he just
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: kind of like, he doesn't let it kill him.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: He throws shots. That was a pick where he got
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: hit on the first one.
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  Speaker 2: The second one, you know a lot more about playing
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  Speaker 2: the position that I do, was just kind of boneheaded,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: it looked like. It was just like a bad decision
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  Speaker 2: and one you would like to have back. And he
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: gets over it. And he goes out and he makes
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: the next play. And that seems like such a crucial
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  Speaker 2: thing for a quarterback to be able to do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. I think there can be... there can be
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: a snowball effect. And as we know, you know, football
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: is a game of momentum and you know, and so
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: anytime you let those things compound, you know, that's what
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: can cause a lot of those momentum shifts. You know,
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  Speaker 3: so I think the quarterback's ability to respond to, and
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: not just to dig you out of a rut, but just,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to make sure they have a level of consistency.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: And I think it's been a big part of what,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: Coach Scali has instilled with the growth mindset of the players,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: talked about it every day that they're going to make mistakes,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: they're going to grow from them. I tell them every
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: day that, hey, this is a learn and apply system.
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  Speaker 3: You're not always going to be perfect. We just got
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: to make sure we're making the right decisions most of
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: the time and that we're not doing things that are
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: going to lose his football games. So there were a
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: couple of those situations we'd like to have back that
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: you'd consider critical errors, but right now he's doing a
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: lot more to win his football games than he is
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: to lose.
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  Speaker 2: Remain the close game into the crucial moments, of course,
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  Speaker 2: and that's kind of what we expected in this one,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: is number 10 versus number 14.
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  Speaker 1: At least those were the rankings at the time.
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  Speaker 2: And you got to find that moment like you did
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  Speaker 2: against Colorado the week previous where somebody is going to
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  Speaker 2: make a play. And it happened to be the defense
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: that had to do it. Did you even get to
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  Speaker 2: watch it live, Coach? I know that half the time
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  Speaker 2: your head's buried in the playbook and things like that.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: Did you get to see Jackson Benny's sack in real time?
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  Speaker 3: I did not see it. My head was down on calls.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: He tried to figure some things out and then and
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: then I just heard a bunch of people erupt on
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: the headset and, and, you know, so then, then I
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: kind of looked up to see the aftermath because obviously
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: I had to have a call ready, but, um, no,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: but yeah, well, what a, what a big time, what
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: a big time play by that kid. Great, great call
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  Speaker 3: by coach Swan. And, and that was really to finish
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: that thing off. I thought, I thought Swan, um, was
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: really masterful in the way he handled the end of
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: that game to get those guys off the field and
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: some of the things that he dialed up. Obviously, we
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: were able to capitalize on some of that stuff, but
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: let us figure ourselves out because we were playing such
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: great defense throughout against a really, really good offense. Then
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: we finally found our footing. I felt like we probably
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: could have got a separation even earlier than that on
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  Speaker 3: the It would have been our third drive after we
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: had scored two consecutive and we were driving down again
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: and then had the pick on first down. But, yeah,
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: needed a big-time play in that moment. Then defense came
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: through and then we were able to capitalize the score
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  Speaker 3: off of it with a short field.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I feel sad you didn't get to watch it
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: in real time because it was one of the more
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: special moments that we've had in recent years at Rice-Eckel Stadium.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: But then you've got to have that play ready.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: Was there any conversation about, hey, let's take some time
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: and not score right away here?
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: Um, you know, so we're, we're really big into the,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: into analytics. Um, you know, Joe Durazi does some in-game
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: stuff for coach Scali and gives me some information and,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: and things like that. But I think, you know, when,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: when you, when you get into that situation, you know,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: you're kind of talking like you're guaranteed you're going to score. And,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: and I don't know that you can always look at
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: it like that. You know, um, when you, you know,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: it's kind of when you run your first play, it's like, okay,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: are they letting us score because they want to get
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: the ball back with enough time? But that wasn't the
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: case either on that, on that first play. And so,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: you know, it happened to be that the first place score,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: but I think the appropriate thing was, was the decision
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: that coach Scali made and told us, is it okay,
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: go ahead and score and then kick the PAT to
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: make it eight points. And, you know, and so I
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: think those decisions were, were appropriate.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: And obviously it worked out exactly the way that your
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: team needed it to, and I fully understand this thought
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: process that Morgan explained to us and saying, like, I'm
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: going to trust my defense to get me that stop. Like,
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: Houston would have to have two scoring plays to even
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: tie it if we're up by eight.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: So let's do it that way.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: And I think with Morgan and the game flow, because
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: the defense had been playing so well in that game,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe a different scenario if that's like a,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: you know, a 50 to 48 game or something like that.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: You know, you might not feel as good about that.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: A couple more minutes on coordinators corner, Kevin McGibbon, giving
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: us some time here brought to you by mountain home services.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: So now you're seven and Oh, number six ranked team
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: in the country. And you've got this weird spot where
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: you've got, you got to travel to the Eastern time
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: zone against the team.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: That's also coming off a huge win in, Again, Cincinnati.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: And, look, they can score points, but they've got some
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: defensive vulnerabilities, it appears. What are you seeing from Cincinnati
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: Bearcats on film?
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think some good players are running
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: around back there. You know, they've got some speed and
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: some length. And, you know, I would say a defense
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: that is kind of opportunistic. I would say playing with
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: a little bit of confidence. I felt like it was
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: a little bit more confident group playing against Texas tech,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 3: or at least it grew throughout that game, especially as,
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: as they were, as they were competitive. And then, you know,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 3: and then it looks to me over time that they've
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: just gotten more comfortable with their scheme. They're able to
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: mix looks up a little bit more than, than some
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: of the other games. And there's, there's a little bit
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: of flavor of the week, depending on who they play and,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: and what they have to defend. And so I, And
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: then we have to look back at some of the
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: things that have caused us issues the last couple games
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: with Houston and Colorado that we've been trying to address
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: and say, okay, Cincinnati saw this stuff work or slow
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: things down or give us problems. And so we've got
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: to make sure that those things are handled as well
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 3: in case they show up again.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: Everybody recognizes these, we call them trap games, right? The
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: look-ahead spot or the emotional letdown after a night game,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: a blackout game with an exciting win against Houston. Everyone
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: around college football knows that they're there, but how do
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: you actually avoid the pitfalls, right? BYU knew this was
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: coming when they played against UCF, and they still found
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: a way to lose to UCF, and it's just like, man,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: there's a gap, it appears, Coach, between knowing it's a
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: problem and being able to solve the problem.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: So how do you go about it this week?
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: You know, I think, I think a lot of it,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: you know, going into yesterday, even into practice was, you know,
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: the coaching staff, maybe having to drive the energy a
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: little bit from, from the get go when, when we
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: met with the players, you know, it was, it was
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: a lot about, okay, we need to be different. You know, there's,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: there's one, there's a reason why there's only one champion
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: and it's because that team has figured out a way
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: to be different and everybody else had kind of settled
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: for average or they let complacency settle in and they
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 3: thought they were just going to show up and it
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: was going to happen for them just because it had
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: happened seven times previously or whatever. You know, but, but
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: I think the, I think they understand where we need to,
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: where we need to improve that, you know, even the
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: last couple of games have been, hard fought battles and,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: and everything didn't look the way we needed it to
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: look to, to finish this thing out the way we
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: want to. And, um, and so very focused practice yesterday, very,
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: very intentional. And so I, I think I like what
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: the mics that was in terms.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: Of, uh, kickoff times, sorry, kickoff times have been a,
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: extensive topic of conversation heading into last week and now
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: this week. And of course, next week, do you have
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: any thoughts, any preference one way or another on when you,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: your games kickoff?
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: I think everybody would like to play at like one
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: o'clock on Saturday. And so, but yeah, I haven't had
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: too many of those, but I will, I will tell
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: you this, just having been around it for the first
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: time is right. Second was at night is electric. And,
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: you know, so I, I really enjoy those, those games
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: at night. It, it has a little bit of an
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: effect the next day and going into Monday when you
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: have those, when you have those late nights and, and
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: early mornings, and you've got to kind of recover as
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: the week goes on when you have those late games
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: and try to get used to different schedules surrounding meetings
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: and practice and walk-throughs and stuff like that. So it's
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: a little bit tough to get into a routine, but
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: I think that's probably the mark of a championship program
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: as well is you've just got to adapt and roll
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: with the punches.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: Are you a Halloween candy guy?
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: Will you be taking a tax out of whatever candy
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: is being handed out or collected at the Begiven household?
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: I will not be, but I don't even know if
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: there's going to be candy. My wife usually will hand
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: out something that you know, like pencils or something like
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: that where kids got to be creative with it.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: Okay. You're one of those houses coach. I hope nobody
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: eggs you or something.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The word, the word gets out that what we're handing
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 3: out and you don't see kids late into the night.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, well go enjoy things in Cincinnati coach. Congratulations on
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: everything that's happened so far. Appreciate you giving us time
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: as always go Utes.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin McGibbon, that's Mac G.
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  Speaker 2: His team, his offense, undefeated so far this year, taking
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: on a Cincinnati squad in Cincinnati, of course.
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  Speaker 6: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 2:00:27
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• 2:00:35
  Speaker 6: begins with the airing of grievances.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: I got a lot of problems with you people. Now,
• 2:00:41
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  Speaker 1: Air your grievances here on the Sean O'Connell Show. Get
• 2:00:49
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• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: feel about it also.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: Um, look, I, I'm just going to do it.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: I'm airing my grievance with the, uh, secondary statement from
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: Pat McAfee. Now I already made it pretty clear how
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: I felt about his initial overly sensitive reaction to the
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: videos that were put out against, uh, better judgment by
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: an official university of Utah account. I even sympathize with
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: his annoyance at, you know, the eventual game day kicker saying,
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: you know, only $ 1 million.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: Like, okay, fine.
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  Speaker 2: Not the best look for anybody in that scenario.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: And the correct thing to do, it would have just
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: been like, Ooh, that was weird. Move on.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: Now, everybody in the industry had a take on it.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: Every publication wrote a think piece on it. And the
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: overwhelming majority of those were critical of Pat McAfee not
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: really being consistent. I mean, going so far as to
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: call him a hypocrite because he's the wild card, he's
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: the insulter, and he can't take it as much as
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: he dishes it out. And that's a normal thing. We
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: talked about that on the show as well. However, he
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: decided to say, all right, I'm going to respond now
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: to the responses that I'm getting. And my issue with that,
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: the grievance I'm airing with that, is when he decided
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: to elaborate on all the reasons why he's sensitive. He
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: doubled down on the idea that somebody at the University
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: of Utah... made him feel uncomfortable by using the word
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: creepy to describe him, which corny was used to describe
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: something he might say on the broadcast.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: No one said he was creepy.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: No one insinuated he was being creepy. Well, maybe they
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: were insinuated it was a little weird. He takes his
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: shirt off on the college game day set. But creepy
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: is something that he came up with in his own mind.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: And in the moment when he did it on day one,
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: when he did it on the actual visit, fine. But
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: He had, I mean, I'm not exaggerating, dozens and dozens
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: and dozens and dozens of not only individual people on
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: social media, but actual publications point out that you're being
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: sensitive about something that wasn't even said. And I don't
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: expect that he read every one of those articles because
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: the majority of those articles.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: We're kind of taking him to task.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: So he probably didn't read a single one, but the
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: grievances with him doubling down and creating a false argument
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: in his own mind. It's this Michael Jordan thing. It's like,
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: did you see that guy talk trash about me? And
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: they're like, everyone else was like, no, I was talking
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: trash about you. What are you talking about? And Michael
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: Jordan did it as a motivator. Pat McAfee is doing
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: it to justify a victim mentality that has no reason
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: to exist. So I'm doubling down on my criticism, on
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: my grievance with him doubling down and not just being like,
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: all right. He certainly in his elaboration, he described a
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: lot of very concerning things.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: Most of it, social media behavior. A lot of it
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: kind of.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: Wagging the dog and saying, well, look over here instead. See,
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: I get real threats. None of that had anything to
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: do with the interaction he had with the university of Utah.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: None of it. Zero.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: There was nothing threatening at all about the videos that
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: pushed him over the edge. Now it's okay to be
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: pushed over the edge. It's okay to have one thing
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: be the last straw in what is already clearly an
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: overwhelming situation for him. The fact that it was that,
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: and then when you go back a few days later
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: and you try to, like, give more details and more context,
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: that you ignore the actual truth of the context from
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: what the University of Utah put out, that is obnoxious.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: Thank you for giving us more information. Thank you for
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: telling us how you're really feeling. Thank you for, I guess.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: Making it known how difficult it can be to be
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: a polarizing figure, all of which, by the way, you
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: lean into when it benefits you.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: And then when it doesn't, you just.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: Ignore the real details. You gave us plenty of details.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: The FBI or somebody wanted me to wear a bulletproof vest.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: Things got really ugly when I was at Tennessee. Then
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: talk about how much you don't like Tennessee, man. It's
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: not what you got from the university of Utah. And
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: I were supposed to let this thing go away and
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: put it to bed.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: And it is in bed. It's not going to be
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: talked about after now.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 7: I'm sure.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: But that was so annoying how he's like, okay, fine.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: I'll address it.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 3: I'm going to.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: Really address this. I'm going to talk about, I'm going
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: to get it all out. He aired his own grievances.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: He put it all out there.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: And while doing so, he ignored the actual factual details
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: of the interaction with Utah. And he started to blame
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: that on other people. fans and other institutions and just
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: didn't make a ton of sense.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: So grievance.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 5: It, a lot of the commenters, um, on his Twitter
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 5: post on this were spot on. And yes, a lot
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 5: of them were youths fans that said this, but they,
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 5: they said, that's a lot and no, and we're really sorry.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 5: You've been getting death threats online, but no one at
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 5: Utah said, was delivering those threats and nothing in that
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 5: video was anything that warranted the reaction that you had
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 5: on that video. It was, it was a lot more
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 5: harmless teasing than what you're describing. So that's, that was
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 5: my problem with it too. It just that like, that
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 5: doesn't explain why you overreacted to Utah. And also I'll
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 5: say this too, if he was feeling weird, if he
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 5: was getting a weird vibe from the Utah crowd, it's
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 5: probably because you, it looks like you become best friends
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 5: with the donor of their rival team. That's probably why
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 5: you got a weird vibe. Like it's, it's not any
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 5: deeper than that, dude. And it's something you should understand.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: Apparently Bruce Feldman, friend of the show, Bruce Feldman said
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: on his podcast that I challenged Pat McAfee to a fight. Oh,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: Bill Riley texted me. He's like, did you, Did you
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: try to fight Pat McAfee? I was like, no, I
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: said tongue in cheek did charity. I said, we should
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: lean into the beef and elevate it to a charitable fisticuffs,
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: not nominating myself, but just saying that it should happen.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't challenge him to a fight.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think, I feel like it looks a
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: little bit when I do something like that, but anyway, yeah,
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, um, it's understandable that it would have been,
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: that it was maybe construed that you were offering yourself
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: as a charity.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 5: Someone who fight, fight it for charity, but it's, it
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 5: was all tongue in cheek. Anyway, our guy, Bruce Feldman, um,
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 5: put that out there anyway.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: A grievance. Oh, Alec and vineyard first. Then I'll air.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: Then I'll air the grievances on the tech side. Alec
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: and vineyard.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 6: Welcome.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: How are you?
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 3: Speaker 3 I'll see my man. How are you?
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. Do you have a grievance?
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 3: Speaker 4 I do. And as you can probably guess,
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: it is both gym related and sauna related. So I'm
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 3: going to start with, let's start with the gym one first.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 3: So I recently, I'm actually no longer Alec from Vineyard.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: I am actually Alec from Saratoga Springs now.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 3: I've temporarily relocated. And because of that, I've had to
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 3: switch gyms, or at least try to switch gyms. And unfortunately,
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 3: I go to Boston now, which, in my opinion, is
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 3: just the worst downgrade you could possibly go to.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 3: And so I went, you know, did the whole free
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 3: trial thing. And, of course, I have to test out
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 3: the sauna, see how it is. And I thought I'd
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 3: do the gym one first. So peptides. That's been preached
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 3: to me three times in the past week. And just
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 3: random guys have come up to me and said, hey,
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 3: you ever thought like, how old are you? Have you
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 3: ever thought about hopping on, you know, BP 157 and
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 3: doing peptides and getting in better shape? And I'm like,
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: should I be insulted by this? decent shape like what
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: what what are you trying to portray by offering me
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 3: these peptides that your buddy sells through a third-party website
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 3: and isn't totally verified it's just it's a little much
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: and then that same day you know I go and
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 3: test out the sauna and this guy has super long
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 3: hair just gets out of the pool comes into the
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 3: sauna and And has the audacity to shake his head
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 3: like a dog and get water everywhere in the sauna,
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: including on everybody that's in there.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 4: Whoa.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 3: And was wearing a swim shirt, puts it over the heater,
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 3: and proceeds to make the entire sauna smell like wet dog.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 3: I guess at this point with how many grievances and
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 3: complaints I've shared about the gym and sauna, I just,
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: you need to have a sponsor come on the show
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 3: that builds saunas and builds custom home gyms. I just
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: need to be done with the whole public gym scene.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 3: So thank you for allowing me to get this off
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 3: my chest.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 4: Alec.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: First of all, that, that is beyond the pale. You
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: cannot shake your hair water on other people. And this
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: is an annoyance. When you go into the sauna, it's
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: supposed to be a dry sauna. You're not, You're not
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: supposed to put your own moisture onto the, onto the rocks.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: We don't, it's supposed to be a dry sauna. If
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: you wanted steam, you'd go into the steam room. Thank
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: you for the phone call, Alec. Don't be, that's disgusting.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: Don't be shaking your hair water on other people. We
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: have another caller airing a grievance here.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: Love it. From Taylorsville. A mystery person from Teville. What's
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: your name?
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 9: It's Sam, OC.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 3: How are you?
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: Sam, what's up? What are your grievances?
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 9: Hey, I got a couple real quick here. I know
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 9: it's that time of the year. Political ads on the
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 9: radio and TV where you have 30 seconds to point
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 9: out things that we all realize are problems, like... Oh,
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 9: cost of living is too high. We pay too much
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 9: to register our car, but you have 30 seconds and
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 9: no ability to explain your position and what you're going.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 3: To do about it.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 4: I hate it.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 9: I will say, please go vote. It's one of the
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 9: most important things that we get to do with our freedoms.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 9: So don't complain. If you don't vote, get out there
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 9: election day, mail it in, whatever you got to do,
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 9: participate in the process.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 3: Really quick.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 9: My other grievance, I told James already, he should be
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 9: ready for this. James Peterson, trash talk grievance. I heard
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 9: him earlier in the week. He brought his team back
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 9: from almost 20 down to win the game. Did it
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 9: by chirping a few guys at the, maybe the mill
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 9: Creek community center. And I said, don't apologize for trash talk.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 9: Gary Payton wouldn't have done that. You don't need to
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 9: do that either.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: Uh, I will echo the grievance. If you're going to
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: trash talk, just own that.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: You trash talked apologizing after the fact is not the move.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: So that the political ad thing is what are the,
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: so we've gotten to a point now in this country
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: where when you have like a long political ad, like a,
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: you know, a television political ad, it is virtually impossible
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: in some places to To separate satire from reality. Some
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: political ads are so ridiculous that they mirror to an
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: identical nature exactly what you see on Saturday Night Live
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: when they're trying to parody these things.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: I mean... Yes, go vote.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 3: Alright?
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: 100% vote.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 3: Please.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 6: Please.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: Please pay attention to policy and not just vote on
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: a party line or not just vote because you assume
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: like just if you vote from an informed perspective.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: Because it is absolutely bananas.
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: The way that these political ads are like, did you
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: know that James Peterson murders puppies in his neighborhood?
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: It's like, what? Is that true? No comment. And then,
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: and it's like, vote for him for school board.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 6: What?
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: Wait, no, that's backwards. It's very odd.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: Just there should be, there should be something done. It
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: won't be, nothing will be done. The political theater in
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: the field of it is just absolutely bananas. I empathize
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: and sympathize with any of you who feel lost in
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: the process.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: It's terrible. It's ugly. It's stupid.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: Don't support people unless they're the kind of people you
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: actually want representing you, regardless of what party you ally
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: yourself with.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is really hard to tell on a whatever,
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 5: wherever you hear it or see it. It's really hard
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 5: to tell what a candidate stands for. nowadays based on
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 5: political ads. And I'm not sure that that's, that's probably
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 5: how it's always been because you've, you only have like,
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 5: or like Sam and Taylor's will mention, you only have
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 5: 30 to 60 seconds ever on a commercial.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: But it that's, that is an annoying thing. I echo that.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 5: And I think it's probably the best, best practice to
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 5: hear the name and then go try to find some
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 5: things out about that name. That's what you get from
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 5: the political ad, but that's even hard to do. So I,
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 5: I cannot tell you how much I.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: Enjoy the specificity of and how ridiculous it is.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: Cost of living is too high. Yes, yes, yes. We
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 1: all know. Move on. Can we like, what are you
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: saying you're going to do about it?
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: The current politicians are a joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 5: Why are you not going to be a joke? Like,
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 5: that's what we need to know, yeah.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: Sky is blue. Water is wet. Vote James Peterson.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: It's like, what? You didn't tell me anything. Gosh, it's
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: so dumb. I'll just say this.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 5: As far as the other grievance about the trash talk apologies,
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 5: that's probably what separates me from a Hall of Famer
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 5: like Gary Payton.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: That's why I can't be Gary Payton.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: You know what I want from every political ad from
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: now on? If it's like if Sean O'Connell is running
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: for Senate, I want... Make an announcement. Sean O'Connell is campaigning.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: I'm running for.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 5: Big 12 Commissioner. Taylor Cram is his... Campaign management.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: If I'm running for that, I want you to go
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: find somebody from my elementary school, my middle school, and
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: my high school.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: I want to hear from those people to tell me, like,
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: all right, this guy used to lie about everything.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: Okay? I want those people. I went to high school
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 1: with a guy.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: Who used to tell us that he played high school
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: football in California and he was all state in California.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: When we were like, dude, you were here all through
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: the fall semester. So yeah, it was all state in California.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: I play quarterback out there. It's like, no, you were
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: in my biology class in September and you weren't even
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: on the football team and you didn't play on the
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: football team. You're not an all state California quarterback. If like,
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: those are the people who then end up running for office.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: I need someone to come out and just be like,
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this guy.
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, no.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: He said he took six different girls to prom. Not true.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: I know who he took to prom. She had a
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: terrible time. I need that.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: I need the checks and balances of these people in
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: the background. Cause it tells me what, what I need
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: to know.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 1: Come out of the woodwork.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: People tell us about the middle school and high school
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: lies that, that our politician, our political candidates told when
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: they were in school, uh, 42 71 airing of grievance
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: implants into local society, pushing the narrative that Utah drivers
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 2: are the worst.
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: I've driven in California, Vegas, Phoenix, Indy. There are stupid
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: drivers everywhere.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: The running of red lights and camping and passing lanes.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: A lot of times are the ones making these declarations
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: about Utah drivers.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: Guys.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: Can I, can I be honest with you? I've traveled
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: a lot around this beautiful country of ours. There is
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: not one place where you will go and you will
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: be driving with your Uber driver or you will be
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: with a local or you'll be on.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: The freeway somewhere. Rental car or whatever.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: And they'll be like, man, Denver drivers are the best.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: It just doesn't happen. There's nobody out there going, you
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: know what? Texas drivers are awesome. The only time there
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: is any commentary on the driving of other people is
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: when it's bad. And there's the generalization just like, oh
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: my gosh, California drivers, because that's where you are.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: It is the lowest form of commentary that you can
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: ever make while traveling the Utah driver, the Texas driver,
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 2: the Hawaii driver.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: Guess what? Everyone hates their own drivers. There's not a
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: single place you can go on the planet. Oh my gosh.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 5: Budapest Budapest drivers are the worst. Let me tell you
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 5: about those Hungarian drivers. Oh, see, there's no one.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: Just be like celebrating the fellow drivers on the road.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: It doesn't happen. It is not real.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't have any grievances. I did do some
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 5: driving in Hungary on the mission. Don't have any grievances
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 5: about that. I will tell you a pretty unique thing
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 5: about it, though. If you're going too slow or you're
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 5: camping too much in the passing lane or whatever, they
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 5: don't just honk at you. They turn on their brights
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 5: and try to blind you to tell you, hey, stop
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 5: driving bad. So, yeah, there's your Hungarian driver in.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: Darius says, my grievance is Maverick gas station food. Quality
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 2: has gone down so down. Food is terrible now, and
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: $ 8 for a gas station breakfast burrito is not justifiable. Darius,
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry that that's happening. This is well within your control,
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: my friend. Get food somewhere else.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 3: Don't.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: Order the gas station burrito you you don't like you
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: you haven't liked the bonfire maverick breakfast burritos though you
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: haven't you ever tried them i will say this i
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: i don't get them all that often but they have
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: been really good quality i the last time i got
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: one it was the worst thing the worst i've ever
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: had at any at any place like that so i
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: will say darius has a point here They used to
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 2: be for, especially for gas station food.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 5: It used to be really high quality. I, the last
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 5: one I had, I also had a bad experience with it.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: So, okay.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: Well, um, but yes, one thing should go somewhere else.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: You already know this about me. I don't, I hate
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: overpaying for anything and there's no place. where the cost
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: to value of a snack of a food item is
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: worse than at any gas station. I'm not even singling
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 2: you out Maverick.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 1: All right. Because your adventure is first stop. You got
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: some good things going on.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: However, when you walk into a gas station and there's
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: any kind of hunger paying at all, you have to
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: know you're overpaying.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: Like it's you want the almonds dude, the little, like
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: the can of blue diamond almonds.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: The elote flavor. They're delicious. They're like $ 6 and 49 cents.
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: Now at a gas station, I will not do it.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: There's the Midwestern sensibilities coming out. I won't do it.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: Midwestern frugality.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: Go to the grocery store or better yet, go to
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: like Costco to get your snacks, camp out in front
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: of the gas station and sell.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: Them undercut big gas.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 3: Just kidding.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: Don't do that.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: They're often owned by local business people, so don't do
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: that to them.
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 5: I've already let my grievance known about resellers, so I'll
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 5: just leave that there.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: This is from 6351. airing a grievance against Kevin McGibbon.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 2: Apparently Mac G says grievance against people who give out
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: fruit or dental products on Halloween.
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: Stop trying to be different.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: No one likes the houses that give out candy corn
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: mounds or almond joy either.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 6: Incorrect.
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: Mounds and almond joy are among my favorite. I love coconut.
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 1: I they're I align more with our texture here on
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: those things.
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh.
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 5: And candy corn, by the way. You can have all
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 5: three of those things, OC.
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: Charlatans. Okay? Coconut candy is delicious.
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: Go ahead and eat all the coconut candy, OC. We're
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 2: leaving more for you. At least they're trying to give
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: out candy, even if it's garbage candy. The quote-unquote healthy
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: stuff and dental products are even worse. Don't be a curmudgeon.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: Celebrate the holiday properly. Okay, don't go to Kevin McGiven's house.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: You know what? 6351, I'm telling Kevin McGiven you aired
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 2: a grievance against him. They do like pencils, I guess.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what Mac G said, and I wonder if
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 5: there's not going to be a situation in his house
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 5: where his wife says, you said what.
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: On the radio about what we did? Let's see.
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 2: Couldn't agree more with the worst driver grievance. I'm happy
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 2: to report that Bali drivers are the best. Okay, that's
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 2: a flex. Are you listening in Bali? Awful narrow roads
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: and a symphony of synchronized drivers making beautiful driving music
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 2: on those roads. If you're texting from Bali right now
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 2: and flexing on us that the Bali drivers are the best, Brian,
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 2: first of all, we love you.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 1: Also, I want to go to Bali, so... That sounds fun.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: So shout out to you.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: Sam says, McAfee is also my grievance. He is Charmin soft.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: Second grievance.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: Everyone complaining about a 10 a.m. Holy war.
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: When we really should be complaining. It's not the last
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 2: game of the year.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: What are the rivalries are that weekend? The Holy war
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: deserves to be played on that day. Anywhere from the
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: one 30 to five 30 slot. Could you imagine if
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: that happened this year, it would be bananas. Maybe with
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: your Mark leaving, that will finally change Sam from Harriman.
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 2: I have a far greater grievance with this game being
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 2: played on November 7th than it being played at 10 a.m.
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 2: I echo that grievance wholeheartedly. The rivalry weekend in college football,
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 2: even if it gets congested and crowded.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: Is the place for rivalry games. It's always been that way.
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 2: I don't care if anyone else is watching Utah versus BYU.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: It, it belongs to us. That is our game.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: And it should be for all the marbles at the
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 2: end of the season when both teams are good. And
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 2: this year it would be absolute bedlam and insanity.
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: If you had that, it's still going to be a
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: great game at 10 AM. It's still going to be
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: a raucous atmosphere. It's going to be wild. And guess what?
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: There are other massive games that day that are taking
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 2: away from the attention anyway.
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 1: So whatever.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: Strategic positioning, the big 12 thought it was achieving here.
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 1: Didn't Spencer McKay.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: I just got off an airplane and someone was crop
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 2: dusting me the entire flight.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 1: My grievance are with people who pass gas on airplanes.
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 1: It's recycled air up there in that tube. People be careful.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 7: Come on.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 5: Also follow up from Brian. He didn't say whether or
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 5: not he's in Bali. He just says he's at fricking work.
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 5: That's his grievance.
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 1: We're all at work baby.
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: A grievance against me because we didn't even talk about
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: the Utah mammoth last night, winning in Pittsburgh in overtime
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 2: hat trick for Logan Cooley, including a last second, literally
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: a last second goal to force the overtime.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: Mammoth points on the road against the Pittsburgh penguin.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 5: They beat McAfee's penguins by the way. So in your face,
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 5: Pat McAfee.
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 1: Pat McAfee.
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: Do we have things we need to give away? A
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 2: Zhao Asian Cafe gift card? Is that what we're going
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 2: to do? All right, that's next. It's the Sean O'Connell
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 2: Show on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM. You're listening to the.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 6: Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 6: 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: I don't even think this is an official airing of grievances.
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 3: How about this?
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: I've lived in nine states. Texas and Utah are the
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 2: top worst drivers. Nowhere is good, but theirs are worse
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: than others. Very sheltered, biased opinions on your show. Typical
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: of Utahns, though. Okay, I guess I'm wrong. I guess
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 2: that there's a lot of places where people are like,
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 2: our drivers are wonderful. All right, we're going to give away.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: A Zao Asian Cafe free meal. Okay.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: What's the move today? I think we're going to go
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 2: with the Mongolian beef again. This time, instead of noodles,
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: let's try white rice.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: All the fixings, extra peanuts crumbled up on top. Okay.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 1: Yellow curry this time. That's the move. All right, people.
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 1: Zao Asian Cafe. Healthy, fresh, delicious, wonderful.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 3: 877-353-4255.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: Zero seven hundred where does cincinnati rank in the big
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: 12 in run defense we talked about that early in
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 2: the show today where does cincinnati rank in rush defense
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: for a free meal at zao asian cafe spence check
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: it's in the driver up next hi spence.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 7: May I air a grievance?
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 1: Please do.
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 7: So you see my Halloween costume, right?
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 1: No, I don't.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 7: Well, you James, what am I dressed up as? It's
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 7: not hard.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: Someone who just went golfing at Bonneville.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 7: But I didn't.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: You just wore your regular clothes.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 7: Do I wear this every day?
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: Do I wear this every day?
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 7: Well, you're not dressed up as anything.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: That's right. Neither are you.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 7: I'm dressed up as a golfer.
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 1: He's dressed up as Spence Checketts.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 7: I'm dressed up as a golfer.
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 7: I could go to a Halloween party right now, and
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 7: people would be like.
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, look at that guy. He's a golfer. No, you'd
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 1: have to be like a dead golfer or something.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 6: No, no, no.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 7: You can just be a golfer.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 3: No, you can't. Yeah, you can.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 1: You can't.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 7: You're not the arbiter of what you can and cannot
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 7: be on Halloween.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 2: I know that if you show up and everyone else
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 2: is doing real costumes and you just have your golf
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 2: clothes on.
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 1: I literally was.
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 7: A golfer for Halloween last year.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 1: Everyone was just like, that guy literally just put on
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 1: his golf clothes. No, everyone was like, how clever. No,
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 1: they weren't.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 7: It's too cold to golf and he's dressed as a golfer.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 7: That's so ironic.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: That's a terrible costume.
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 7: Can I get to my grievance?
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 1: You can, yes. Well, as you recall... We.
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 11: Had a conversation about whoever's behind Spirit Halloween.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 11: Whoever this shadow entrepreneur is that robs us.
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 7: This time of year, every year.
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: It's probably that guy, Mr. Wonderful, trying to build the
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 1: data centers.
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 7: What is that dude's name?
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 7: We don't need to talk about him.
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 11: But somebody clearly rolls into town every October, sets all
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 11: these stores up, and then lives on an island somewhere.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 7: Because I told you I went to Spirit Halloween to
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 7: get my Halloween costume.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 7: Which was supposed to be Ted Lasso.
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 7: Told you what I paid for the sweater and the
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 7: fake mustache.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 11: So I'm like, I'm going to do the thing. We're
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 11: going to dress up. Okay, you two, even though, you know,
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 11: we'll be back on at some point. Open up the costume.
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 11: There's a massive hole in the sweater.
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 7: It's like.
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 11: Not, it's, it's unwearable. It's not like a small hole.
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 11: I put my white collared shirt on. I go to
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 11: put my Richmond AFC sweater on. I put it on
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 11: and it's like right on your stomach.
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: A belly hole?
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 11: It's like a solar plexus hole that's like this big.
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 11: I didn't keep a receipt.
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't matter if you did because they're pop-up shops. They're,
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 2: when you try to go take that thing back, it's gone.
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 6: I mean.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: Spirit Halloween is gone. I, I have.
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 11: It was actually quite a funny visual because I had
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 11: the hair done, had the fake mustache on, white shirt,
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 11: khaki pants. I have the very same shoes that Ted
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 11: Lasso has season three. So I am dressed up entirely.
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 11: Throw the sweater on and it falls.
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 1: Boom.
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 7: Hole right in the middle. I'm like, well, I can't.
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 7: I guess I could.
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 11: Maybe have a white shirt with some blood on it
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 11: and pretend I was Ted Lasso that got shot or
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 11: something in my stomach?
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 1: Ted Lasso.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 7: Nice, James.
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 11: Way to completely redeem yourself after... What was the Zao
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 11: joke you made earlier this week?
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 5: Zao about another joke? Zao about some lunch?
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 2: Nope, nope.
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 7: That's my fault for bringing it up.
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 9: Zaoed out?
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 4: Nope, nope.
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 11: But you redeemed yourself with a dead lasso. That's what
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 11: I should have done. But ultimately, my grievance.
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 7: Lies with whoever this guy is. Or gal.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 1: Or they, them.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 11: We're fans of all of you. Whatever the deal is
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 11: these days, we're on board. Rolls into town. Sets up
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 11: the Spirit Halloween deal. And you're paying way too much
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 11: for that stuff anyway. And my Ted Lasso sweater had
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 11: a large hole in it. So that's my grievance on
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 11: a Friday. That's a reasonable grievance to be airing.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: 7361, your preeminent grievance is so bad, I'm not even
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 2: going to bring it to the air.
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 1: Huh? It's jinx related. And I don't like that one bit.
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: Ooh, we got to keep positive energy heading into this
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 2: weekend and into next weekend.
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 7: No jinxes.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 1: Good vibes around here, baby.
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 7: That's what we're about.
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: Do you have candy to give away?
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 11: You know, it's funny. I, so when I moved up
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 11: where I'm living now by campus, I actually anticipated decent
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 11: foot traffic. So first year, I went all out, bought
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 11: full-size candy bars.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 1: Snickers, Butterfinger, all the things. Zero trick-or-treaters.
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 11: What I do find fascinating this time of year, and
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 11: it happened this morning, there are several... Halloween is tomorrow, right?
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 11: So a lot of people having Halloween parties during the week.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 11: The walks of shame on campus are amazing.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 3: Amazing.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 11: This poor kid today at like 7.45... is walking up
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 11: my street dressed as a hot dog. He just had
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 11: this look on his face like, oh, long night for
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 11: him last night, and he's walking back to his dorm
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 11: dressed as a hot dog. See, the problem is if
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 11: you go out on Halloween and you get yourself into
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 11: a scenario where you're going home the next day, you're
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 11: going home the next day is what you were dressed
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 11: up as, which is you probably bring a change of
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 11: clothes if you plan on spending the night somewhere.
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 7: Because then you're walking home dressed up in your Halloween costume.
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 11: Every year, that is my favorite part of Halloween, watching
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 11: these poor kids walking home, dressed up as whatever they
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 11: were the night before.
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 2: I dropped off my daughter at preschool this morning, and
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: there was a young man, like not a preschool young man,
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 2: like a young man, like a 21-year-old, dressed as Eeyore
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 2: with just like perfect Eeyore energy, where he was just like...
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 2: Probably just going to fail this class anyway.
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 1: It was amazing.
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 7: The other excellent scene, because again, I.
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 11: Don't know how many office spots mandate their employees dress up.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 11: But today being the last work day before Halloween tomorrow,
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 11: I ran down to Harmon's at about noon.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 7: And the Harmon's lunch crew is really sad anyway.
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 11: It's a bunch of bros with cell phones on their
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 11: holster and key cards to get in, just sad about
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 11: their life decisions, trying to get a chicken bowl. And today,
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 11: they're like five people dressed up as Halloween characters, and
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 11: you can tell they're not enjoying themselves at all.
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 1: My stupid boss overdoes it on Halloween, so I had
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 1: to do it.
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 11: Just hitting the salad bar before they have to go
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 11: back and grind in the afternoon. So that's also quite
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  Speaker 11: a scene. But I would imagine there's some decent foot
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  Speaker 11: traffic where you live, right?
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  Speaker 7: Some trick-or-treaters?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is now. When we first moved in, we
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 2: got zero. And then the next year, we were going
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 2: to a party, so we left the candy bowl out,
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  Speaker 2: and our ring camera caught the one kid dumping the
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  Speaker 2: whole bowl into his pillowcase.
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  Speaker 7: Side note, that would have been me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: That was absolutely my move.
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  Speaker 1: My wife was mad about it. I was just like,
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  Speaker 1: I would have done that. That was a gluttonous little child.
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, but now, now we're getting, you know, there's, there's
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: a depressing turnover happening in our neighborhood, but the positive
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 2: side effect of that is.
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 1: That more kids, old folks dying. Yeah. Well, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to voice that. That's what you did. It's what
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 1: they do.
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  Speaker 7: It's what happens.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Like, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Like James jumped in our ear yesterday with professor X. Uh,
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 2: you don't have to drink monster energy anymore. Brett, your
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 2: Mark's leaving.
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  Speaker 7: Um, we're going to talk about this on the show.
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  Speaker 11: Is it okay to say like, I think he did
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 11: a pretty good job, but I'm fine with him exiting
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  Speaker 11: stage left.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
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  Speaker 11: No, I don't think at this point in his life,
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 11: being the commissioner of the big 12 is something on
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 11: his table. You know, I was actually, cause you were
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 11: airing a grievance on the political ads, which is so
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 11: spot on.
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  Speaker 7: I was thinking about this. I was at a dinner
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 7: a number of years ago.
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  Speaker 11: And it was after my dad left the garden and
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 11: they were talking about what, and the way you phrased
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 11: your grievance just brought this back to my mind. They
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 11: were talking about what he's going to do next. Like
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 11: all of his staff, some that were leaving with them.
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 11: And one of them said, you need to run for office.
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 11: You need to get into the political space. And his
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 11: right-hand man, a guy named Mike McCarthy said something I'd
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 11: never forget.
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 7: I've never forgotten.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 11: And I'll never forget because as a young person was
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 11: kind of eye-opening into the world of politics. And Mike said,
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 11: Dave will never be in public office because he's an
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 11: honest man. I was like, well, that's a compliment to
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 11: my father, but what are you saying about the people
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 11: that are running our country?
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  Speaker 7: And I was young, right?
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 11: So I'm too young to understand exactly the reality of things.
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 7: And he was, he was right.
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of the things that radicalized me as a
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 2: young ideal man being like, I love this guy. He's
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 2: going to be a president in four years. And then
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 2: you see those next four years where they're just like
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 2: all the stuff you loved about them. just gets washed
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 2: away so that they can get the full support of
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 2: the party. And you're like, oh, turns out you can't
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 2: be the top level officials in any of these things
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 2: unless you completely compromise yourself.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it sucks. It's unfortunate.
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 1: Grievance with that. Happy Halloween to all of you.
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  Speaker 2: Please, please, please slow down when you're driving through the
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 2: neighborhoods this weekend. The kids are out. They're running around.
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 2: They're causing mischief. Put your phone away, keep your eyes
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 2: on the road, and drive like... 15 miles an hour
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 2: so you can look at the costumes don't run over
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 2: some little kid drive careful have a great weekend we'll
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  Speaker 2: be back on monday it's espn 700 and 92 on
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