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Danny Parkins on Knicks beating Spurs in game 1 of NBA Finals, Russell Wilson's Hall of Fame case | 06.04 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Speaker 1: Joe and Bo, good morning. Carl Anthony Towns is three
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Speaker 1: games away from being an NBA champion.
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Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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Speaker 1: So we can get, like, straight to this. We can
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Speaker 1: do pleasantries, too, but, like, come on, let's not bury them.
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no. Like, that's, it's not
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Speaker 2: just that we're three games away from him being a champion.
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Speaker 2: We're three games away from him not just being on
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Speaker 2: the champion, but being the reason that they would be champions. So, Joel,
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Speaker 2: I don't know why it is that Joel always come
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Speaker 2: up when he ain't here, but this happened. in a
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Speaker 2: group chat with Joel, and you know, Joel has this
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Speaker 2: weird protective thing about Carl because he felt like people
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Speaker 2: would be mean to him.
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Speaker 3: Oh, right.
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Speaker 2: Probably were. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they weren't wrong. But anyway, anyway,
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Speaker 2: he pops up with this thing about Towns, and he
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Speaker 2: says something to me about how I have been offering
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Speaker 2: Towns faint praise this postseason, and that's not true, right?
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Speaker 2: I started the postseason saying that if the Knicks are
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Speaker 2: going to win the championship, He had to be their
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Speaker 2: best player. That was their only chance. And they have
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Speaker 2: gotten here because he has been their best player. He's
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Speaker 2: been their best player also, weirdly enough, on 20% usage. Like,
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Speaker 2: it's not like he's been their best player because he's
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Speaker 2: out here knocking down every bucket. He's been their best
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Speaker 2: player because once things run through him, you have this reminder.
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Speaker 2: There's literally nobody in the league that can guard him
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Speaker 2: except for number 32 on the Knicks. And the Spurs
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Speaker 2: don't have anybody who can really guard him, right? Like,
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Speaker 2: Victor can guard him in the way that Victor can
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Speaker 2: guard everybody because you never know when the block's going
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Speaker 2: to come. But Carl is so much bigger than him
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Speaker 2: that if he gets by him by just a little bit, right,
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Speaker 2: the shoulders are past him. There's nothing really he can do.
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Speaker 2: And the Spurs, every other big man on the Spurs
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Speaker 2: is as old as me. All of them, right? They're
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Speaker 2: unplayably old, except for Luke Cornett. Get the fuck out
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Speaker 2: of here, right? Like, this is not, you know, This
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Speaker 2: is where they are. Carl last night, and he's out
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Speaker 2: here like, he ain't making all them stupid fouls, though
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Speaker 2: he'll get you with a couple every now and then.
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Speaker 2: He is calm under pressure, which is not something that
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Speaker 2: I would have expected. So Brunson hit the shots last
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Speaker 2: night or on Wednesday night, but I thought it was
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Speaker 2: no question, man. The guy for them has been Carl.
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Speaker 1: Undeniably, there was, this is a old reference. You'll get
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Speaker 1: the point. in the post Jordan era bulls, uh, when
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Speaker 1: they drafted Eddie Curry and Tyson Chandler, they were like,
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Speaker 1: they're going to be our two bigs. And it's going
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Speaker 1: to be the next era of rape bulls basketball. Scott
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Speaker 1: Skiles was a real hard ass. He was their coach
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Speaker 1: a couple of years into Eddie Curry's career. And there
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Speaker 1: was a question asked like why this big old seven footer,
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Speaker 1: Eddie Curry was averaging like four rebounds a game. And
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Speaker 1: the question was like, why, uh, what could Eddie Curry
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Speaker 1: do to be a better rebounder?
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Speaker 2: And Scott Skiles said, jump.
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Speaker 1: And it was just like, like Carl Anthony Towns, It
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Speaker 1: honestly feels like, and he's been doing it for months,
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Speaker 1: to be clear. It's just like, he's playing with effort.
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Speaker 1: He's playing hard. He's playing aggressive. His aggressiveness is now
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Speaker 1: meeting his obvious skill level. And he just took it
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Speaker 1: to Victor Wembanyama last night from jump. Because Brunson obviously
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Speaker 1: had the knee get hurt, got dinged up, whatever. Was
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Speaker 1: missing shots. Castle is a menace. Wemby backing him up.
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Speaker 2: The whole thing.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be tough for brunson to have efficiency
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Speaker 1: even though the dude's fearless and i'm sure we'll talk
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Speaker 1: more about him but carly anthony towns just was getting
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Speaker 1: around victor wembanyama with relative ease i'm sure it wasn't
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Speaker 1: easy but it looked easy because he is so crazy
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Speaker 1: talented and so much of the criticism of of.
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Speaker 2: Cat has been effort you know the story.
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Speaker 1: Yeah i love the 2018 uh you know jimmy butler
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Speaker 1: was like ultimately kind of his undoing in minnesota He
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Speaker 1: calls out Towns at practice. He calls out Wiggins at practice.
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Speaker 1: And he's like, give me the four worst players on
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Speaker 1: the team. And Jimmy Butler just talked trash to him
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Speaker 1: the whole time and beat the starters with the backups
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Speaker 1: and basically clowned Towns in front of the whole front office.
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Speaker 2: And then left to do an interview with Rachel Nichols.
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Speaker 2: It was unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: It was unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: By the way, that's why Joel hates Jimmy and why
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Speaker 2: Joel puts his cape off for Carl, which is the
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Speaker 2: most backward logic of all time. It's the most important.
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Speaker 2: At the time, Butler was correct.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 1: But I'm seriously impressed by Towns, and I can't even
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Speaker 1: pretend like it's a hot streak because he's been great
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Speaker 1: basically all season.
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Speaker 2: Good for him, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Look, I still contend that Minnesota traded Carl Towns for
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Speaker 2: Julius Randle. Yes, there were other pieces, but that was...
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Speaker 2: fundamentally what it was, because both of them felt like
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Speaker 2: you can't win with that guy. And the other team
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Speaker 2: was like, yeah, we'll give it a try. We can't
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Speaker 2: win with this guy. And Minnesota is stuck with Eeyore.
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Speaker 2: And Towns riled up in a situation where They're not
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Speaker 2: asking him to do that much. And when I say that,
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Speaker 2: I don't mean with the ball. It's not some expectation
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Speaker 2: that he's supposed to be the guy that carries the franchise.
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Speaker 2: He is one of many. Jalen Brunson, face of franchise.
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Speaker 2: It's a bunch of nice kids, right, on that team.
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Speaker 2: He fits very well within the dynamic that they have.
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Speaker 2: They've got the right players to kind of mask some
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Speaker 2: of his shortcomings. And his defense has gotten better, though
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Speaker 2: that is like primary shortcoming and always has been. And
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Speaker 2: so you mentioned the dumb fouls, right?
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Speaker 1: Like he's, he's always been a dumb foul guy that
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Speaker 1: did not happen in game one. I'm sure that will
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Speaker 1: happen at some point. Like he's not, he's not going
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Speaker 1: to get defensive player of the year votes. But again,
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Speaker 1: like if you're a good athlete at seven feet tall
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Speaker 1: and you try, like there's a fairly high floor for
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Speaker 1: what you can be as a defensive player. And he's
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Speaker 1: a really good rebounder when he tries. And that is
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Speaker 1: how you close defensive possessions. So like, it's not like
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Speaker 1: he has no utility as a defensive player, He just
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Speaker 1: needs to give a damn, and he has been, man.
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Speaker 1: I don't think he'll win finals MVP if they win it,
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Speaker 1: but it's on the board.
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Speaker 2: Well, the thing that I noticed when he got to
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Speaker 2: the Knicks that I don't think I realized quite was
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Speaker 2: that how good a passer he was. Yeah. He's skilled.
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Speaker 2: Like when he first got, got to the Knicks and
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Speaker 2: he was incredible at the beginning of year one, it
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Speaker 2: tailed off by the end of the year, but he
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Speaker 2: was incredible. And I was watching that and I was like, Oh,
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Speaker 2: this is what happens to everybody. You get your, like
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Speaker 2: you get a different exposure to him. And you're like,
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Speaker 2: this guy could be the best player in the NBA.
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Speaker 2: Right now, if you dial back from that and just
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Speaker 2: be like, you know what? This guy could be the
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Speaker 2: best player. Look, if he ends up being the best
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Speaker 2: player on a championship team, That is rare air that
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Speaker 2: you are in at that point.
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Speaker 1: Well, and.
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Speaker 2: Talk about a championship that is going to age well.
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 3: Like, if he is the best player or the second
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Speaker 3: best player and the best big on a championship team
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Speaker 3: that beat Victor.
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Speaker 5: Wimbinyama, like, my guess is in 24, 50, we will
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Speaker 5: look back on Carl Anthony Towns and hold him in
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Speaker 5: even higher esteem because of what he did.
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Speaker 1: And then, like, you factor in.
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Speaker 2: How about the Knicks winning their first championship in 53 years? Right, right, right. Yeah, right.
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Speaker 1: The historical significance of it. He'll be courtside at MSG
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Speaker 1: for the rest of his life.
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Speaker 2: Yes. Hall of Fame? Yeah. I mean, I think... that
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Speaker 2: might have gotten solidified just by them making the finals.
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Speaker 2: I agree. And I'm saying regardless of whether you think
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Speaker 2: he's a Hall of Fame player, what are we talking about,
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Speaker 2: like six-time All-Star? I don't... And you make it to
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Speaker 2: the final. That, it's kind of there.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: Number one pick.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's a remarkable career transformation. Like when he said he
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Speaker 1: was the greatest shooting big man of all time, Everyone
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Speaker 1: mocked him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we mocked him not because it was it
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Speaker 2: wasn't true. Why would you say that? Right, right.
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Speaker 1: It's just like inviting criticism, inviting attention to a career
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Speaker 1: that has felt largely like you are a huge underachiever.
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Speaker 1: So I really don't feel bad for the arrows that
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Speaker 1: this guy has taken over the course of his career.
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Speaker 2: But it is really a.
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Speaker 1: It's a testament to, like, your narrative is never written
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Speaker 1: in stone until you die.
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Speaker 2: No, and also, like, we got an episode coming up
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Speaker 2: where me and Vinny talk about Dirk Nowitzki. All you
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Speaker 2: got to do is win one. No doubt. Unless you're
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Speaker 2: in the LeBron James, Wilt Chamberlain. Sure. Rarified air. Dr. J.
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Speaker 4: Well, Dr.
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Speaker 2: J only had to win one. She only got to
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Speaker 2: win one.
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Speaker 1: We're not talking about Carl Anthony Towns as a top
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Speaker 1: 10 player of all time. We are parsing greatness between
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Speaker 1: Hakeem Olajuwon and Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant. If you
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Speaker 1: get the one and it's in New York and you
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Speaker 1: rewrote your history and the Basketball Hall of Fame is
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Speaker 1: easy to get into, you're just going to be a
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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer.
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Speaker 2: Carl Anthony Towns, Hall of Famer. I'll tell you this though,
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Speaker 2: as it relates to the Spurs, they've got a problem
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Speaker 2: and that problem is They don't have a playable big man.
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Speaker 2: As of now, Victor is still tall man. And he
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Speaker 2: has points at which he can get the ball to
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Speaker 2: the basket and get close, but he's still tall man.
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Speaker 2: I think the evolution of him is being an excellent
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Speaker 2: high post player, but I'm not sure when it's going
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Speaker 2: to get to the point where he can just get
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Speaker 2: close to the basket whenever he wants to. And that's
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Speaker 2: where they wind up with real issues. there this is
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Speaker 2: a terrible matchup for San Antonio that being said They
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Speaker 2: just couldn't buy a bucket at the end. I thought
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Speaker 2: they took bad shots. I thought when they had decent shots,
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Speaker 2: they missed them. I want to say they shot something
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Speaker 2: like around 30% from three or something crazy like that.
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Speaker 2: To me, game one was a game one in a
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Speaker 2: lot of ways. And I think both teams can go
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Speaker 2: back and feel pretty good about themselves and their ability
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Speaker 2: to kind of tweak this out. But San Antonio was
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Speaker 2: not ready in the sense that nobody that you can
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Speaker 2: put on the floor is big. Nobody.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they shot 36% from the floor, 26% from three,
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Speaker 1: and Wemenyama was six of 21 from the floor and
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Speaker 1: two of nine from three. And this is overly simplistic,
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Speaker 1: and I know he has hit absolutely monster threes, the
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Speaker 1: most famous being the end of game one of the
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Speaker 1: Western Conference Finals, obviously.
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Speaker 2: Like, he can do it.
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Speaker 1: But you don't want him taking nine threes, not because
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Speaker 1: he can't hit them, because to me it's a fatigue sign.
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Speaker 1: He is settling a bit and playing three-point line to
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Speaker 1: three-point line, and I thought he looked tired. And I
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Speaker 1: know it's weird for someone like me to say about
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Speaker 1: someone like him.
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, it was clear.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was abundantly clear that he was tired,
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Speaker 1: and I think it's a product of his size, the
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Speaker 1: Knicks physicality, the length of the series against Oklahoma City,
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Speaker 1: the fact that he played 29 minutes a game in
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Speaker 1: the regular season, so he's not built up for it.
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Speaker 1: There's a million factors. And now he's I thought he
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Speaker 1: was not going to be able to survive two overtimes
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Speaker 1: of game one of the Western Conference finals. And he
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Speaker 1: did and proved this wrong. And he was amazing in
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Speaker 1: game seven on the road defensively in Oklahoma City. So
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Speaker 1: like he'll find another wind. But he did not have
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Speaker 1: it last night.
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Speaker 2: I would also make this point, and I think it's important.
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Speaker 2: No matter what the experience level is on the floor. Right.
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Speaker 2: And I bring that up to say. The Knicks don't
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Speaker 2: have anybody that's played on this particular stage. The Spurs
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Speaker 2: have Harrison Barnes, right, as guys who have played on
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Speaker 2: this level of stage. But still, it's a big difference
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Speaker 2: between being 22 and 29. Every starter for the Knicks
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Speaker 2: is between 28 and 31. All these guys out here
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Speaker 2: for the Spurs, Sham Pipple is 24. Victor is 22.
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Speaker 2: I want to say Vassell is 25. Castle is 21.
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Speaker 2: De'Aaron Fox, the old man of the bunch, is 28.
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Speaker 2: The Knicks have a bunch of grown men. The Spurs,
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Speaker 2: not so much. So I think about that in the
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Speaker 2: context of Victor and stamina where the stakes get up there, right?
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Speaker 2: Like he does a good job. He out there fucking
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Speaker 2: around with the monks and everything else, right? Like I
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Speaker 2: think that he does have a certain calm and composition
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Speaker 2: to him. His post-game quotes sounded very mature and all
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Speaker 2: of these things. But in the end, man, stakes ain't
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Speaker 2: never been higher than they had been. Never been an
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Speaker 2: arena that had been louder than the one that he
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Speaker 2: had been in. All of those things. And that goes
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Speaker 2: to that gets into a fatigue place because you're so
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Speaker 2: ramped up trying to play this game. And the Knicks
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Speaker 2: did not seem that there was never a point to
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Speaker 2: me where this felt like it was big. I'm not
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Speaker 2: even saying too big because I don't think the moment
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Speaker 2: was too big for the Spurs. but the moment was
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Speaker 2: very big for the Spurs. Maybe there's something to the
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Speaker 2: fact that they got all those guys that won one
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Speaker 2: or two national championships, right? Like they played games that
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Speaker 2: had stakes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was just thinking about the national championships and listen,
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Speaker 1: they've played in a lot of playoff games.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Like, like Jalen Brunson. I was looking at it yesterday before,
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Speaker 1: before game one, Jalen Brunson has the most points in
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Speaker 1: the playoffs, like in total and aggregate over.
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Speaker 2: The last four post seasons. Yeah. They've played in a
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Speaker 2: lot of playoff games.
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Speaker 1: Now, they haven't hung a banner, which is why they've
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Speaker 1: been disappointing, but these guys largely together have played in
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Speaker 1: a ton of these games. I did think the idea
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Speaker 1: that the Spurs had over-celebrated the Western Conference, I thought
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Speaker 1: that was silly because they beat the champs. They were
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Speaker 1: going to the finals. How many athletes have we heard, like, hey,
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Speaker 1: if they're giving out a trophy, I want to win it?
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Speaker 1: That was the first trophy they had won together as
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Speaker 1: a team, so I didn't think that their celebration of
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Speaker 1: that was indicative of anything. And they were up 14
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Speaker 1: points in the third quarter. So I don't think that
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Speaker 1: like at all that the moment was too big. I
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Speaker 1: don't think that they're going to panic after losing home
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Speaker 1: court advantage or anything like that. Like I expect them
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Speaker 1: to come back and have a much better game two
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Speaker 1: shooting from the floor. They easily could have won game one,
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Speaker 1: but the Knicks didn't fold, man. Like I did think
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Speaker 1: that there was a real chance that just the step
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Speaker 1: up in competition for the Knicks to the Spurs and
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Speaker 1: how much better the West was than the East. Like
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Speaker 1: I had a lot more concerns about the Knicks ability
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Speaker 1: than the Spurs going in.
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Speaker 2: And obviously I was dead ass wrong. Yeah. So one
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Speaker 2: thing I would say, like, I would argue that the
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Speaker 2: Knicks actually have not been disappointing. They've had a climb, right?
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Speaker 2: Get to the second round, get to the conference finals.
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Speaker 2: Like this collection of guys, even though this is the
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Speaker 2: second year for Towns, but he's still, I think, involved
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Speaker 2: in this. This collection of guys has been making the climb. Right.
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Speaker 2: That we typically talk about with teams going to getting
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Speaker 2: this far where they get to this point, they hit
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Speaker 2: their head like that first year where Brunson was there.
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Speaker 2: And I want to say they lost in the second round.
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Speaker 2: They got a standing ovation at Madison Square Garden. I
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Speaker 2: don't recall a standing ovation after they lost to the
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Speaker 2: Pacers necessarily. But this one. These are the steps. This
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Speaker 2: is where it is they're supposed to be. The Spurs
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Speaker 2: skipped some steps. And I think that the discussion around
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Speaker 2: their celebration after the game, I agree with you, was silly.
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Speaker 2: But it was interesting because in my mind, I compared
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Speaker 2: it to the Utah Jazz in 97 after Stockton hit
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Speaker 2: that shot against the Rockets. And all those years that
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Speaker 2: they have been trying to do this for eight or
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Speaker 2: nine years at that point, and all of those years
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Speaker 2: just came out in that moment. Stockton is jumping up
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Speaker 2: and down and they come out there. But nobody was
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Speaker 2: feeling like, oh, wow, they already won their championship. No,
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Speaker 2: that's not what happened. Maybe it feels different because the
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Speaker 2: Spurs were so young under that scenario. But it was
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Speaker 2: game seven against a bunch of dudes they despise. Like,
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Speaker 2: absolutely loathe in one of the most intimidating environments that
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Speaker 2: there is. And it was a close game, for the
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Speaker 2: most part, going all the way. Yeah, the guys were
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Speaker 2: happy about winning. There's a goddamn trophy presentation, man. Correct.
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 2: The Knicks weren't going to act like that because the
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Speaker 2: Knicks were winning by 67 points for the entirety of
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Speaker 2: the game. In a sweep.
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Speaker 1: Like, it was just completely... And listen, and Brunson is,
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Speaker 1: you know, a different kind of crazy.
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Speaker 2: Like, after game one.
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Speaker 1: when he hits that shot, he just starts yelling at
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Speaker 1: Scott Foster. Yes. Like the game ends.
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Speaker 2: They've won game one.
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Speaker 1: And obviously you're not expecting a huge celebration, but he
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Speaker 1: just like poor Lisa Salters is like, when is this
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Speaker 1: interview going to happen?
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Speaker 2: He's just like berating Scott Foster.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I know you didn't, you know, shoot a
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Speaker 1: free throw until like late in the third quarter and
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Speaker 1: you had gotten the knee injury. And then Luke Cornett
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Speaker 1: stepped on your ankle, which was clearly totally accidental. But like,
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Speaker 1: I was just, He's just berating. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: If that was Luca, we would have been killing it.
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Speaker 2: All he was doing was pitching to the refs. All night.
17:17
Speaker 2: Did you see where Mike Brown said about them complaining
17:20
Speaker 2: to the refs? He said at postgame, he was like, no,
17:22
Speaker 2: our problem was we were all just talking too much
17:24
Speaker 2: to the refs. He said Rick Brunson told everybody to
17:26
Speaker 2: shut the hell up, including Mike Brown. And then everything
17:29
Speaker 2: came together.
17:30
Speaker 1: I did not see that, but I love that because
17:33
Speaker 1: I found it to be distracting. How much they were
17:37
Speaker 1: complaining to the refs in an NBA finals game when
17:39
Speaker 1: they weren't hitting the broad.
17:40
Speaker 2: Side of a farm. Hit a shot. You're not getting fouled.
17:45
Speaker 2: I don't understand what was happening. Well, okay. No, no.
17:49
Speaker 1: But Brunson is just this stoic figure almost to his personality.
17:54
Speaker 2: And Wemby clearly... I mean, the guy.
17:57
Speaker 1: Talked after that one. He was like, I want to
17:59
Speaker 1: win 15 or 20 of these. Yeah. And no one's
18:03
Speaker 1: killing him like LeBron's not six, not seven, not eight.
18:06
Speaker 1: They're just crazy people. Now, I want to put a
18:09
Speaker 1: pin in what you just said about Brunson. I want
18:10
Speaker 1: to make this point about Mike Brown right fast, and
18:12
Speaker 1: I think this matters.
18:14
Speaker 2: This is the fourth franchise with which Mike Brown has
18:20
Speaker 2: been to an NBA Finals in some capacity. Went there
18:23
Speaker 2: with the Spurs, went there with the Cavs, went there
18:25
Speaker 2: with the Warriors. And now he's back to this. Mitch Johnson,
18:33
Speaker 2: of whom I had never heard two years ago. Well,
18:35
Speaker 2: I remember now that he played at Stanford, but I
18:38
Speaker 2: didn't have to connect those things. Anyway, this is a
18:40
Speaker 2: bit brand new to him. Mike Brown has done this
18:43
Speaker 2: from a bunch of different angles with a bunch of
18:44
Speaker 2: different guys with a bunch of different types of teams.
18:47
Speaker 2: And so I do think there's something to be said
18:48
Speaker 2: about him knowing what this moment requires. Not to say
18:51
Speaker 2: that Johnson can't figure it out or whatever, but in
18:54
Speaker 2: game one, Mike Brown's walking in with a different level
18:57
Speaker 2: of institutional knowledge, I would argue. And I think there's
18:59
Speaker 2: something to that in terms of, you know, how that
19:01
Speaker 2: game went. The thing with Jalen Brunson, if I were
19:08
Speaker 2: coaching the Spurs, here's what I would do. I would
19:13
Speaker 2: find somebody who had been around the 2004 NBA finals.
19:18
Speaker 2: And I would bring up this point. We have had
19:21
Speaker 2: David Aldridge on this show and he has talked about
19:23
Speaker 2: this and it's a crazy story to go back on
19:26
Speaker 2: and a lot most people notice if you don't this
19:28
Speaker 2: is pretty amazing Larry Brown I don't think this is
19:32
Speaker 2: on the record I think it was off the record
19:34
Speaker 2: but still he told any reporter who would listen what
19:39
Speaker 2: their strategy was for beating the Lakers in 04 and
19:43
Speaker 2: you got to remember that was the chaos year right
19:45
Speaker 2: that was the year when Kobe was going to court
19:47
Speaker 2: all the time Gary Payton and Karl Malone had been
19:49
Speaker 2: brought in, all of these things. Shaq Knight getting his money,
19:52
Speaker 2: all of this. Larry Brown said, look, those two guys
19:58
Speaker 2: over there hate each other. And their strategy was less
20:03
Speaker 2: of a basketball strategy than more of a people strategy
20:06
Speaker 2: against And the idea was to create a circumstance that
20:11
Speaker 2: goaded Kobe Bryant into taking more and more and more
20:16
Speaker 2: and more and more shots. If I remember this right,
20:20
Speaker 2: I wish Vinny was here because he knows it better
20:22
Speaker 2: than I do. But part of it was to let
20:24
Speaker 2: Shaq get his situation going and then let Kobe shoot
20:27
Speaker 2: you out the gate. But the plan was to use
20:30
Speaker 2: the interpersonal dynamics of the team to get those two
20:34
Speaker 2: guys to actually play against each other. And then that
20:38
Speaker 2: would leave me in the infamous five game sweep that
20:41
Speaker 2: they had in that series. Jalen Brunson shot 31 shots
20:48
Speaker 2: in this game. This team has been at its most
20:51
Speaker 2: successful when the team runs through Carl Anthony Towns. When
20:55
Speaker 2: they have bogged down, now granted Brunson hit those shots late,
20:58
Speaker 2: but this was not, I do not think this was
21:00
Speaker 2: a good game from Jalen Brunson, right? When they have
21:03
Speaker 2: bogged down, it's when Jalen Brunson goes back to running
21:07
Speaker 2: an isolation brand of Jalen Brunson ball that depending on
21:10
Speaker 2: who you talk to was kind of fraying things with
21:12
Speaker 2: this team last year and at points going through this year.
21:16
Speaker 2: So if you're the Spurs, how do you get Jalen
21:19
Speaker 2: Brunson to do that? It sounds counterintuitive, the idea of
21:23
Speaker 2: we want Jalen Brunson to take a bunch of shots,
21:25
Speaker 2: just like it would seem counterintuitive to say we want
21:28
Speaker 2: to get Kobe Bryant to take a bunch of shots.
21:31
Speaker 2: But if things are running through their best player, things
21:35
Speaker 2: are not going to be that good for the Spurs.
21:37
Speaker 2: If you let Jalen Brunson run ISO, your size problems
21:41
Speaker 2: don't matter anymore, right? All these other things don't really matter.
21:46
Speaker 2: If you can trick Jalen Brunson into thinking he needs
21:49
Speaker 2: to get out here and keep shooting 31 shots.
21:53
Speaker 1: Listen, it's a great point. The thing is to say
21:55
Speaker 1: to a Knicks fan that Jalen Brunson isn't their best player.
21:58
Speaker 4: I know.
21:59
Speaker 2: Is it akin to saying that your child doesn't love you?
22:03
Speaker 1: I know.
22:04
Speaker 2: They can't. Nobody wants to hear me when I say this. it's,
22:09
Speaker 2: it's like I said, I listen, man.
22:11
Speaker 1: Yeah. Towns is a more like singular talent, but I
22:17
Speaker 1: will say what Brunson has is like, like Chet Holmgren
22:21
Speaker 1: should pay Jalen Brunson $ 5 million in the off season
22:25
Speaker 1: to just like, try to get inside his head because like,
22:28
Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson would have gone, what do you want, 12
22:31
Speaker 1: for 31?
22:31
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:32
Speaker 1: He would have gone 12 for 70. That's what it took. Like,
22:36
Speaker 1: if that's what it took. Like, there was no world
22:38
Speaker 1: where he wasn't shooting down the stretch. And there is something, too. Like,
22:43
Speaker 1: everyone on that team has signed up for it. Maybe
22:47
Speaker 1: they want more shots early and you want to get
22:49
Speaker 1: big the touches early and get it. But they have
22:51
Speaker 1: signed up for, this guy has won this weird clutch
22:53
Speaker 1: player of the year. Fourth quarter is his time, all
22:56
Speaker 1: that shit.
22:57
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there's something to that, right? Yeah.
23:00
Speaker 2: But you can get this going early. He didn't take
23:03
Speaker 2: 31 shots because he shot 20 of them in the
23:06
Speaker 2: last two minutes.
23:07
Speaker 4: Right?
23:07
Speaker 1: Yeah.
23:08
Speaker 2: Let him rack those shots up. That is your time.
23:13
Speaker 2: I want to make another point right quick before we
23:16
Speaker 2: go into a break about Jalen Brunson and part of
23:20
Speaker 2: the affection that I think exists for him in New York.
23:23
Speaker 2: And it's big. We can do a whole pot on this.
23:25
Speaker 2: We could, we could, but I have been meaning to
23:29
Speaker 2: make this point for a while. And we can make
23:32
Speaker 2: a social video out of this, right? If you want,
23:34
Speaker 2: I'm kind of proud of myself here. A lot of
23:37
Speaker 2: pushback against Becky Hammond for her saying that Jalen Brunson
23:40
Speaker 2: is too small to be the best player on a
23:43
Speaker 2: championship team. And I'd love for her to say, go
23:45
Speaker 2: prove me wrong. still have your opportunity. But it's been
23:48
Speaker 2: amazing to be how many people have pushed back against
23:51
Speaker 2: that point, given that that is conventional NBA wisdom and
23:54
Speaker 2: NBA wisdom that is borne out by fact, right? Like,
23:58
Speaker 2: we've seen this. And I've realized something that we need
24:02
Speaker 2: to start doing, which is every time somebody gets mad
24:05
Speaker 2: at you questioning whether Jalen Brunson is big enough to
24:07
Speaker 2: be your best player on a championship team, you should
24:10
Speaker 2: not be allowed to answer that question without saying how
24:12
Speaker 2: tall you are. Like, All you 5'8 motherfuckers out here,
24:17
Speaker 2: and they done told you, and by they I mean she,
24:20
Speaker 2: that you ain't tall enough to ride the ride. I
24:22
Speaker 2: understand that you want to put on your cape for
24:24
Speaker 2: what is the 5'8 of basketball, which is 6'2, right? Like,
24:28
Speaker 2: I get you. And you're like, yeah, I know, I know.
24:30
Speaker 2: You average height for an American male. I hear you.
24:33
Speaker 2: But I feel like what has happened here is all
24:35
Speaker 2: those guys, right? All them cats wearing that size medium
24:39
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson jersey that they went and bought from the
24:41
Speaker 2: NBA store. They're the ones that pushed back. And you
24:44
Speaker 2: know what? It's a lot more 5'8 in this world
24:47
Speaker 2: than 6'2. You know what I'm saying? And New York
24:49
Speaker 2: got a lot of 5'8. I'd be out here in
24:51
Speaker 2: these streets. Y'all there, right? It ain't like when I
24:54
Speaker 2: was in some of these countries where I'm like, I
24:56
Speaker 2: think I'm the tallest person here. It's not that in
24:58
Speaker 2: New York. But 5'8s, they got a disproportionate amount of power.
25:02
Speaker 2: And I think that they the ones that really, they
25:05
Speaker 2: love this for Jalen Brunson and they push back on
25:07
Speaker 2: any criticism that has to do with the fact that
25:09
Speaker 2: he's simply not very tall. That is a good social
25:13
Speaker 2: media video. That'll do numbers for you. Let me tell
25:17
Speaker 2: you something. I don't like when we use those videos
25:20
Speaker 2: to antagonize most people. But the little homies? Yeah, you
25:24
Speaker 2: like that. I live for that. Yeah, you do. I
25:27
Speaker 2: live for that. I'll take all you little... I'll take
25:28
Speaker 2: y'all all to the post after this.
25:32
Speaker 1: It is a unique combination of he's a little guy,
25:37
Speaker 1: he's fearless, and he took less money for the team.
25:41
Speaker 2: He did. He did.
25:43
Speaker 1: People love he took less money for the team.
25:46
Speaker 2: How much did he take?
25:48
Speaker 1: He's like, well, it was still like $ 170 million. But
25:53
Speaker 1: he took less money.
25:54
Speaker 2: He's a little guy who took less money.
25:56
Speaker 1: And he balls out of the fourth quarter.
25:58
Speaker 2: Dirk giving Mark Cuban all that money for no goddamn reason.
26:02
Speaker 2: He got no ROI on his give money back. We
26:07
Speaker 2: eat that shit up, man. And I mean.
26:11
Speaker 4: And I guess it.
26:11
Speaker 1: Might win him a title. It might end up winning
26:14
Speaker 1: him a title. It checks all of the boxes of
26:18
Speaker 1: the beloved. I live in suburban New York. There's a
26:22
Speaker 1: lot of kids at my kid's school with size small
26:25
Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson. Oh, yeah.
26:27
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Popular. Oh, man. You're out there near the facility. Oh, yeah.
26:33
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson, move to my town.
26:36
Speaker 6: Jalen Brunson, very popular at the local bagel store. He
26:42
Speaker 6: is very popular. Mom teaching a workout class with all
26:46
Speaker 6: the other moms out here.
26:47
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it is a... I am into it.
26:50
Speaker 1: But again, I was curious. It's like LeBron James, Steph Curry,
26:54
Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson for national jersey sales. Like, he is a
26:58
Speaker 1: wildly popular figure in the NBA arenas.
27:01
Speaker 2: I mean... Think about what it would have been for
27:04
Speaker 2: Melo if he had shown up and this is what
27:06
Speaker 2: it started being. You know what I'm saying? He has
27:10
Speaker 2: fulfilled the promise. All these free agents, they always wanted
27:14
Speaker 2: that they were never actually going to get. The realistic
27:19
Speaker 2: one was this one. Now, never mind the fact that
27:22
Speaker 2: they made his dad an assistant coach. I still think
27:24
Speaker 2: that shit is weird. Oh, well, I mean, the whole.
27:27
Speaker 1: Thing, Leon Rose and Worldwide West and Rick Bunsen, and
27:31
Speaker 1: it's just CAA running the Knicks. Yeah, dude, it is
27:35
Speaker 1: a singular. None of their starters were drafted by the Knicks.
27:40
Speaker 2: That's true.
27:40
Speaker 1: It is a very oddly constructed organization, top to bottom.
27:45
Speaker 1: But hey, man, I will also say this.
27:48
Speaker 2: Worldwide West NBA champ would be the completion of one
27:52
Speaker 2: of the, the Forrest Gump story of all of them.
27:55
Speaker 2: Like we're beyond the point where William Wesley is like
27:58
Speaker 2: this internet legend, right? Henry Abbott's great white whale or anything.
28:02
Speaker 2: This dude has been a little bit of everywhere for
28:05
Speaker 2: a zillion different reasons. And now they, they may be
28:10
Speaker 2: putting together a champion. Wow.
28:14
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. I, and I mean, I doubted them.
28:17
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, man, we don't have to go all
28:20
Speaker 1: through it again. We've discussed my James Harden mistakes. I
28:24
Speaker 1: picked the Cavs over the Knicks. I picked the Hawks
28:27
Speaker 1: over the Knicks. That was also preposterous. I thought it
28:32
Speaker 1: was insane to fire Tibbs for Mike Brown. I said
28:36
Speaker 1: you cannot win with Brunson and Cat on the floor
28:39
Speaker 1: at the same time because the two best players can't
28:41
Speaker 1: be in front of liabilities. If they win this title...
28:46
Speaker 1: I think it will be the most wrong I've ever
28:49
Speaker 1: been start to finish about a team in any sport.
28:52
Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, Carl Childs is no longer a
28:54
Speaker 2: defensive liability. No, I know. That's an important part. It's
28:59
Speaker 2: like when Josh Allen got good. Don't blame me. If
29:02
Speaker 2: he had been doing this shit the whole time, I
29:03
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29:09
Speaker 2: That's not how it works.
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29:14
Speaker 1: trying now.
29:15
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29:18
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33:11
Speaker 2: I've been in New York for nine years. You've been here, what, now, two? Two, yeah. Two.
33:15
Speaker 2: Two in August. My good buddy, Peter. Peter does the
33:19
Speaker 2: music for this show. I've known Peter since he was
33:22
Speaker 2: a junior in high school. That's now 21 years that
33:25
Speaker 2: I know Peter. Peter is the biggest Knicks fan I know.
33:29
Speaker 2: And I have to read to you guys a couple
33:31
Speaker 2: of texts that I got from Sneaky Pete during the game.
33:36
Speaker 2: One of my favorites. This is maybe one of my
33:39
Speaker 2: favorite texts anybody has ever sent me. And this was
33:43
Speaker 2: an hour into or about an hour out of the
33:48
Speaker 2: first half. You know, I never had this level of
33:51
Speaker 2: stress when I was waiting on the ping pong balls
33:53
Speaker 2: to go our way. But I will also send you
33:59
Speaker 2: the last text that he sent me at 1223 a.m.
34:02
Speaker 2: that said, and I quote, give my boy cat his flowers.
34:06
Speaker 2: He had with me looking like Chet. Knicks fans, ladies
34:10
Speaker 2: and gentlemen, Knicks fans. I've watched them be so cool
34:14
Speaker 2: about this and just be happy with everything they have
34:17
Speaker 2: at every step of the way. Like the Knicks really
34:19
Speaker 2: battered them into submission. I watched them, you know, and
34:22
Speaker 2: I think they've been good about this. And I really
34:24
Speaker 2: just can't explain to people how happy they are here, right?
34:27
Speaker 2: Like I kind of, I avoid watch party stuff for
34:29
Speaker 2: a couple of reasons. One, after what I've done for
34:33
Speaker 2: a living for the last 15 or 20 years, watching
34:35
Speaker 2: games with the general population, you kind of have to
34:37
Speaker 2: opt out of it, Parkins. I imagine that you could
34:39
Speaker 2: also bounce for me on this one. I love my basement, dude. Yeah,
34:42
Speaker 2: that's why we have to go to Nick's house if
34:44
Speaker 2: we want to go watch games around. We meet at
34:46
Speaker 2: Nick's for football. Yeah, we can't do this around the
34:48
Speaker 2: Gen Pop. It's not a great idea, right? That's number one.
34:52
Speaker 2: Number two, the same reason I'm not going to these
34:54
Speaker 2: Jay-Z concerts. I feel like this is for people who
34:56
Speaker 2: love this, right? And I simply am happy for you guys.
35:01
Speaker 2: But man, they had a watch party at Central Park
35:05
Speaker 2: on Wednesday night. And I'm kind of, and look, the
35:08
Speaker 2: news was interviewing some people there. And I'll just tell you,
35:12
Speaker 2: the talent wasn't just on the basketball court, brother. I'm
35:14
Speaker 2: kind of, I'm kind of tempted to go check it
35:17
Speaker 2: out because everybody is so happy here.
35:21
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a, you know, New York is an amazing place.
35:24
Speaker 1: I was, I was walking, I was walking to work yesterday.
35:28
Speaker 1: I was taping an interview with our buddy Carrington Harrison
35:31
Speaker 1: in Kansas city and Taraji B. Henson walked right past
35:34
Speaker 1: me and we brushed shoulders. Like it is just like,
35:35
Speaker 1: you never, know what you're gonna see.
35:37
Speaker 2: Yeah i walked past michael imperioli on broadway on the
35:40
Speaker 2: upper west side the other day just walking to the
35:42
Speaker 2: i was walking to the train station.
35:44
Speaker 1: Yeah it's just just new york like the world cup
35:47
Speaker 1: is coming here it's like you don't really think a
35:50
Speaker 1: president can be in town i walk through the theater
35:52
Speaker 1: district and it's like oh george clooney has a show
35:55
Speaker 1: there denzel has a show there it's like you don't
35:57
Speaker 1: really notice anything because it's so big there's so many people.
35:59
Speaker 2: It's kind of like vegas where the cab driver's like
36:01
Speaker 2: so what's the event this week right exactly nba summer
36:04
Speaker 2: league oh okay Yeah, great. You're in town.
36:07
Speaker 1: Or it could have been a convention for arms dealers.
36:09
Speaker 2: And there's really no difference. Not this. Think of the things.
36:17
Speaker 1: I've been here for a Yankees World Series, the World Cup,
36:21
Speaker 1: Trump being around.
36:23
Speaker 2: I've been here for some things. It's New York. You're
36:25
Speaker 2: always here for some things.
36:27
Speaker 1: Dude, you notice when the Knicks are good, whether it's
36:29
Speaker 1: the flags at the bars, the specials at the bars.
36:31
Speaker 2: The gear that people are wearing.
36:34
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a unifying thing because, like, Yankees and Mets
36:37
Speaker 1: split the town. Giants and Jets split the town. The
36:40
Speaker 1: Nets don't split anything.
36:41
Speaker 2: No, they don't. No, they don't.
36:44
Speaker 1: I was at a charity poker thing the other night.
36:45
Speaker 1: The guy was like, I do events for Barclays. I
36:47
Speaker 1: was like, I haven't been.
36:49
Speaker 2: I hear it's awesome. I would love... But, like, you
36:50
Speaker 2: know what I mean? It's just, it's not the same draw.
36:53
Speaker 2: And so.
36:54
Speaker 1: it's a cool thing to see a city so unified
36:57
Speaker 1: behind the NBA, even if no Knicks fan wants me
36:59
Speaker 1: at any watch party based on my mentions.
37:02
Speaker 2: And it's so interesting, like the vibe around Madison square garden,
37:06
Speaker 2: where there is a playoff game going on. And, you know,
37:08
Speaker 2: for so long, they weren't playing any of those. And
37:12
Speaker 2: I don't want to insult any of the hockey fans,
37:13
Speaker 2: but like when the Rangers are in the playoffs and
37:16
Speaker 2: you go down by Madison square garden, they're all there. Right. Like,
37:19
Speaker 2: and they all got on their Rangers gear. It's obvious
37:21
Speaker 2: that it's a thing, but, Have you ever been to
37:24
Speaker 2: a club that like on Friday night was college night,
37:28
Speaker 2: but then you pull up on Saturday night and it's
37:30
Speaker 2: gay night? Okay. That's what it feels like when the
37:34
Speaker 2: Rangers are playing in Madison Square Garden. It's like, wow,
37:38
Speaker 2: something feels different about this. And the difference is everything, right? Like,
37:42
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, this is what we're doing. It just doesn't, like,
37:45
Speaker 2: heteronormativity in New York City is the Knicks, right? Like,
37:50
Speaker 2: that's the normal state of affairs. Otherwise, you're over there like, wow,
37:53
Speaker 2: why are they wearing long-sleeve shirts? I don't really understand.
37:57
Speaker 1: That's incredible. And the other thing, too.
38:02
Speaker 1: Knicks fans take a certain amount of pride in the
38:05
Speaker 1: price point to get into the garden. And I'm like,
38:09
Speaker 1: you're happy that it's $ 4, 500 to sit up top.
38:13
Speaker 2: There's just so many like, but they're like, yeah, I mean,
38:15
Speaker 2: it's the Knicks. What do you mean? That's not an
38:18
Speaker 2: explanation for.
38:21
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, no, because they do like these man on
38:23
Speaker 1: the street pieces on every local. How much did you
38:25
Speaker 1: pay for tickets? And people are just proud to be
38:27
Speaker 1: like nine grand. Like that is, It is completely insane,
38:31
Speaker 1: and it's in their marrow.
38:34
Speaker 4: Yes.
38:34
Speaker 2: It's a different thing. I'll give Knicks fans this, too,
38:37
Speaker 2: and this is the one thing about their famous fans.
38:40
Speaker 2: They act like regular people.
38:41
Speaker 1: Oh, dude, Ben Stiller has sent me like four different,
38:46
Speaker 1: five different tweets during these playoffs clowning me for my
38:50
Speaker 1: takes to the point that if the Knicks win this title,
38:53
Speaker 1: I have to spend a literal night in the museum.
38:56
Speaker 2: Yo, it's so funny. He follows me, but he's never
38:58
Speaker 2: hit me up. Like the guys that just send texts
39:01
Speaker 2: and tweets to the random media members. I always feel
39:04
Speaker 2: so offended. Like, what am I doing wrong? Like Kevin
39:06
Speaker 2: Durant has never berated me in my DMS, right? Ben Stiller.
39:10
Speaker 2: He doesn't send me any of the stuff. This was dude.
39:12
Speaker 1: And like, I have a, huge Ben Stiller fan so
39:16
Speaker 1: I was like this is the coolest like Nick was
39:18
Speaker 1: like where does it rank for you that one of
39:21
Speaker 1: your comedy heroes responded to you because he clowned one
39:25
Speaker 1: of your awful takes I'm like it's probably a little
39:27
Speaker 1: too high I enjoyed it probably a little too much
39:30
Speaker 1: uh but yeah i don't know what i was doing
39:32
Speaker 1: right or in this case very very wrong about the
39:35
Speaker 1: knicks but like sneaky top x fan base in all
39:42
Speaker 1: the sports not because of the celebrity thing but like
39:44
Speaker 1: They just take over road arenas.
39:46
Speaker 4: Yeah.
39:47
Speaker 2: Again, that goes back to money. Well, I think it
39:51
Speaker 2: goes back less to money than a couple of things. One,
39:53
Speaker 2: a bunch of New Yorkers everywhere, right? Like they turn
39:55
Speaker 2: up there. Number two, it's not so much the money
39:59
Speaker 2: that they have as much as it is the money
40:02
Speaker 2: it costs to go to Madison Square Garden. Therefore, you
40:06
Speaker 2: can save money by jumping on the Acela and going
40:10
Speaker 2: to Philadelphia and and watching this game, right? From different
40:14
Speaker 2: parts of the city, it is easier, like, it is
40:17
Speaker 2: easier for me to get to Philadelphia from my house
40:21
Speaker 2: than I feel like it is to get to, like,
40:23
Speaker 2: deep Brooklyn, for example. Yeah, no doubt.
40:26
Speaker 1: I mean, Steph wants to go to World Cup games,
40:28
Speaker 1: and I'm like, we should probably drive to Philly because
40:33
Speaker 1: you literally can't drive to MetLife. That's the only World
40:36
Speaker 1: Cup venue they're not selling parking for.
40:38
Speaker 2: She's like, what?
40:38
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, we would need to go into the city,
40:41
Speaker 1: and go to Penn Station, which is not the train
40:44
Speaker 1: station that we come into from Westchester, it would be
40:46
Speaker 1: a logistical nightmare.
40:48
Speaker 2: But, yeah, man, these... But I saw John Turturro last night.
40:52
Speaker 2: You know, Nish from.
40:54
Speaker 1: Rounders is just in, like, the 10th row in San Antonio.
40:58
Speaker 1: He clearly just bought those tickets.
41:01
Speaker 4: Yes.
41:01
Speaker 2: They're great fans, man. They really are. They are. They just.
41:06
Speaker 2: What's going to happen if they win though? Because I
41:08
Speaker 2: found they haven't been annoying lately. I have found them
41:11
Speaker 2: to be charming. I used to find them to be annoying.
41:14
Speaker 2: I found that hasn't been the case. I don't know
41:16
Speaker 2: what happens if they have a ring.
41:19
Speaker 1: Listen, they'll probably be annoying, but it's, I, while I
41:25
Speaker 1: have picked against them every step of the way, I am, I'm,
41:30
Speaker 1: I love sports, man. Like 15, 52, 53 years without
41:34
Speaker 1: a ring and an awesome fan base in a huge
41:36
Speaker 1: city that reps like this. And to your point, like
41:39
Speaker 1: clearly gives a damn. Like they're not like, it's not
41:42
Speaker 1: like a Dodger fan. They're not like showing up late
41:44
Speaker 1: and leaving early. Like they're, they're real fans. So yeah, I'm, I'm,
41:48
Speaker 1: I'm happy for them.
41:49
Speaker 2: We're going to see game two is going to be
41:51
Speaker 2: something like all the adjustments will come. I think by
41:53
Speaker 2: the time, yeah, the next show we'll do here will
41:56
Speaker 2: be right before game three. Um, So this is going
42:01
Speaker 2: to be something.
42:01
Speaker 1: You're going to have to listen to that one early
42:03
Speaker 1: because game three. I mean, what do you think that
42:07
Speaker 1: atmosphere is going to be like?
42:09
Speaker 2: Dude, I hate that you live so far because otherwise
42:12
Speaker 2: I'd be like, yo, let's just go hang out. around
42:15
Speaker 2: the arena from like i mean i don't it's it's
42:17
Speaker 2: on a monday i'm in the city i can yeah
42:19
Speaker 2: i feel like from like okay because you got off
42:20
Speaker 2: working like six yeah i feel like it like like
42:23
Speaker 2: from like six to seven or 7 30 we should
42:26
Speaker 2: just go post up around 33rd street on 7th avenue
42:30
Speaker 2: and just see the people.
42:31
Speaker 1: I'm down yeah i'm available uh yeah and then listen
42:36
Speaker 1: i got listen man i got I'm not on the
42:39
Speaker 1: air until 5 p.m., so I'll come people watch with
42:43
Speaker 1: you and then watch Game 3 somewhere.
42:44
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Yeah, yeah, I figured it out. You
42:48
Speaker 2: know we're not watching Game 3 amongst the populace, right? No, no.
42:52
Speaker 2: We will talk about it.
42:53
Speaker 1: Go to your place, go to Nick's, wherever. It's a
42:57
Speaker 1: social experiment, what's going to be happening in this city.
43:02
Speaker 1: I am not terribly interested in going outside of Madison
43:05
Speaker 1: Square Garden after the games, though.
43:07
Speaker 6: No.
43:08
Speaker 1: Know that i am not before the games i'm fine
43:12
Speaker 1: after the games that's for the young.
43:13
Speaker 2: People yo let me tell you what i saw the
43:15
Speaker 2: news last night after uh game one so i kept
43:18
Speaker 2: it all on uh channel seven right and you know
43:22
Speaker 2: they got the people sometimes it's interesting to remember that
43:25
Speaker 2: new york is just like everybody else which is to
43:27
Speaker 2: say something like this happens the local news sends people
43:30
Speaker 2: to locations just to get shots of fans and hey
43:32
Speaker 2: make noise when the camera comes on or whatever right
43:35
Speaker 2: So they do that. And it's a middle aged black dude,
43:38
Speaker 2: gray hair. I think he's probably in his early 50s,
43:40
Speaker 2: if I had to guess. And he's down there and
43:44
Speaker 2: he's got his shot with his Knicks fans. It's like
43:46
Speaker 2: a couple of cats and yarmulkes. You know what I'm saying?
43:48
Speaker 2: Like it's the it's a full gamut of Knicks fans
43:52
Speaker 2: who would go to San Antonio for this game. but
43:55
Speaker 2: it's two Spurs fans who are drunk and refuse to
43:58
Speaker 2: get out of the shot. They're just standing there being jerks.
44:01
Speaker 2: They're on TV. Yeah, right. Not even TV that they're
44:04
Speaker 2: going to watch, right? It's TV in New York City.
44:08
Speaker 2: And so one of them, the guy's like, hey, man,
44:09
Speaker 2: come on, man, don't do that, man. Like the reporter
44:11
Speaker 2: is hitting them with real old black man. Hey, come on, man.
44:15
Speaker 2: Get out of get out of the way, man. Another
44:17
Speaker 2: one gets out there. He's flipping the bird while he's
44:20
Speaker 2: on the screen. And the reporter's like, hey, what are
44:23
Speaker 2: you doing that for, man? What are you doing that for?
44:24
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to work.
44:25
Speaker 4: Right.
44:26
Speaker 2: Yeah. To try to push him off. And then they
44:27
Speaker 2: have to, like, cut it and then go back because
44:29
Speaker 2: it was just it had just gotten to be so
44:31
Speaker 2: ridiculous out there. But I was just like, oh, yeah,
44:33
Speaker 2: like these are the things that happen. And it's funny
44:36
Speaker 2: because you live in New York long enough. You don't
44:39
Speaker 2: put up with nothing. I had to cut somebody out
44:41
Speaker 2: at a taco spot on a Tuesday night. What happened?
44:48
Speaker 2: The details aren't that important. Well, I will tell you
44:53
Speaker 2: the details after the show. But the bottom line was
44:58
Speaker 2: the dude was accusing me of doing something that I
45:02
Speaker 2: wasn't doing.
45:04
Speaker 1: Right.
45:04
Speaker 2: And he was asking me to do something. He felt
45:07
Speaker 2: like he felt like something was happening that was making
45:09
Speaker 2: his ambiance uncomfortable, which I understood. And so he was
45:13
Speaker 2: asking me to do something that I was actually in
45:15
Speaker 2: the process of doing. And he says, hey, could you
45:19
Speaker 2: da da da? And I say to him, yeah, that's
45:23
Speaker 2: what I'm working on right now. And as I'm trying
45:25
Speaker 2: to tell him, this is what I'm working on right now.
45:27
Speaker 2: He keeps trying to argue with me. And I'm like, brother,
45:31
Speaker 2: we on the same team. I'm trying to, you know,
45:34
Speaker 2: and then he's like, well, you must have been doing
45:36
Speaker 2: one or two things. I was like, actually, I didn't
45:38
Speaker 2: do either of those things. And these people sitting here
45:40
Speaker 2: will vouch for Oh, boy.
45:42
Speaker 1: Right.
45:42
Speaker 2: And he keeps going and he's there with his woman
45:45
Speaker 2: and he keeps saying, you know, talking back to me.
45:46
Speaker 2: I'm like, my man, I told you I'm working on
45:51
Speaker 2: this and I didn't do what you said. You got
45:54
Speaker 2: that wrong. It's cool. Just own it. How did I
45:59
Speaker 2: get there? My man.
46:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, people don't like owning being wrong.
46:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, I'm calling him my man over
46:06
Speaker 2: and over again. Like that is a sign. If I
46:08
Speaker 2: got to keep calling you my man, that's me self-regulating, right?
46:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.
46:11
Speaker 2: And I keep going with it. And his woman, now
46:13
Speaker 2: she's interjecting. Oh, boy. And I'm like, hey, I can
46:17
Speaker 2: talk to you, okay? And she says what it is.
46:19
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, I get you. My frustration here is
46:22
Speaker 2: that I was working on what he was talking about.
46:26
Speaker 2: And he just couldn't not give me time to even
46:29
Speaker 2: tell him that I was working on it versus, you know,
46:32
Speaker 2: any of these things. And it turned out I was
46:35
Speaker 2: doing exactly what he wanted me to do. And I
46:38
Speaker 2: looked dead at the dude and I said, and if
46:41
Speaker 2: you had just shut the fuck up. There it.
46:45
Speaker 1: Is.
46:46
Speaker 2: It would have gotten done. I don't know if I
46:51
Speaker 2: have ever talked to a stranger like that under those circumstances.
46:56
Speaker 2: I was waiting for the custom out part and I
46:58
Speaker 2: was like, there it is. Yeah, I'm at a table
47:00
Speaker 2: with three women, by the way, none of which I
47:02
Speaker 2: am dating or involved with in any sort of way, right?
47:05
Speaker 2: But I'm there with, and they realize that I'm not
47:08
Speaker 2: wrong here. Of course. But I had to hit them with,
47:10
Speaker 2: if you would just shut the fuck up, then this
47:12
Speaker 2: would have been taken care of. Then I look back
47:15
Speaker 2: at his woman and I was like, hey, enjoy your tacos.
47:18
Speaker 2: Hope you guys have a really nice day. And then
47:20
Speaker 2: go back and then he ain't have nothing else to
47:21
Speaker 2: say because when he got to shut the fuck up,
47:23
Speaker 2: you know what he did? The fuck was up shut.
47:26
Speaker 2: That's what happened.
47:28
Speaker 1: You know, you're a non-confrontational individual.
47:33
Speaker 2: No, I'm a nice guy.
47:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
47:36
Speaker 2: It's healthy to have one of those every so often. Yeah.
47:41
Speaker 1: Maybe not the shut the fuck up level, but like
47:43
Speaker 1: a little bit like sometimes people just need to be checked.
47:46
Speaker 3: Yes.
47:48
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey.
47:50
Speaker 1: You're over that line. Step back over the side of
47:52
Speaker 1: the line.
47:52
Speaker 2: So New York has an interesting balance to me, right?
47:55
Speaker 2: And an interesting balance in the sense that part of
47:58
Speaker 2: living in New York is putting up with inconsiderate people
48:02
Speaker 2: is just kind of what it is, right? Like, you
48:03
Speaker 2: remember when that white man killed that Michael Jackson impersonator
48:06
Speaker 2: or the dude that was on the train? Yeah. This
48:09
Speaker 2: city's not for you, man. Like, and I'm talking about
48:12
Speaker 2: the dude that killed him. Like, if you can't handle
48:14
Speaker 2: a Michael Jackson impersonator, this is just not the city
48:17
Speaker 2: for you. Any other city, I would get it if
48:19
Speaker 2: you called a manager. We don't call the managers. over
48:22
Speaker 2: stuff like this, right? Like we get it. But the
48:26
Speaker 2: second it feels like someone rather than simply being inconsiderate
48:30
Speaker 2: is being disrespectful to you, that's when it flips. People
48:34
Speaker 2: tolerate a great deal off of you. You can play
48:37
Speaker 2: your music on the subway with no headphones. You can
48:40
Speaker 2: get up with your partner and start break dancing. We'll
48:43
Speaker 2: live with it all. But if you lean on me
48:46
Speaker 2: too much, hey man, get the fuck off of me, dawg.
48:49
Speaker 1: And I've seen New Yorkers also come to the defense
48:52
Speaker 1: of people. Like if the break dancer was like bumping
48:55
Speaker 1: into an old woman, like three people will come over
48:58
Speaker 1: and be like, Hey man, like, you know, they are
49:01
Speaker 1: inconsiderate until there is someone to be considerate on the
49:05
Speaker 1: behalf of, and they'll normally do a pretty good job.
49:07
Speaker 2: So the city regulates itself. And the threshold for this
49:11
Speaker 2: becoming a fight is very high. Oh yeah. The threshold
49:15
Speaker 2: for becoming a fight is much lower in other places.
49:20
Speaker 1: No, New Yorkers have a high tolerance for nonsense and
49:26
Speaker 1: then a willingness to rally to a cause.
49:29
Speaker 2: Yes. I would say. Voltron is always this close. Yeah, absolutely.
49:36
Speaker 2: Because everyone's doing their own thing.
49:40
Speaker 1: While simultaneously aware of everything.
49:42
Speaker 2: Yes.
49:43
Speaker 1: Cause you're, cause it's like people are comparing themselves to
49:45
Speaker 1: other people. How nice is your watch?
49:46
Speaker 2: How much money do you have?
49:48
Speaker 1: Is this person going to potentially fight me or stab
49:50
Speaker 1: me or say, or try to sell me something. So
49:53
Speaker 1: like you're in your own thing, but then you're aware
49:54
Speaker 1: of everything.
49:55
Speaker 2: So yeah, the, the, the hive can move pretty quickly.
49:57
Speaker 1: It's a fat, it's a, it's an ecosystem of a place.
49:59
Speaker 2: It really is. Okay.
50:01
Speaker 1: Right.
50:01
Speaker 2: Fast. Cause I know you got a hard out. No,
50:03
Speaker 2: I mean, I got a few minutes. Okay. Russell Wilson
50:06
Speaker 2: just retired. He's going to be on CBS. Um, None
50:09
Speaker 2: of us have any idea how that's going to go.
50:11
Speaker 2: Anything is on the board with that guy. Is Russell
50:15
Speaker 2: Wilson a Hall of Famer to you? He is not.
50:19
Speaker 1: And I know, I think I remember you are on
50:23
Speaker 1: the other side of that. I am on the other
50:24
Speaker 1: side of things.
50:25
Speaker 2: Let me ask this question before I ask why is
50:28
Speaker 2: he not a Hall of Famer. I can give you
50:30
Speaker 2: the case, but go ahead. Do you have Matthew Stafford
50:33
Speaker 2: as a Hall of Famer? I do. I'm just trying
50:37
Speaker 2: to figure out all those years when Matthew Stafford was
50:40
Speaker 2: not being voted to Pro Bowls and Russell Wilson was,
50:43
Speaker 2: what was happening that all that matters is the last
50:47
Speaker 2: five years?
50:47
Speaker 1: I think that that is totally fair. I do think
50:50
Speaker 1: the counting stats for Stafford outweigh it. I don't have
50:54
Speaker 1: Stafford's in front of me. I don't give a shit
50:57
Speaker 1: about Pro Bowls. Russell Wilson made a Pro Bowl two
51:00
Speaker 1: years ago when he had 16 touchdowns and 11 interceptions.
51:03
Speaker 2: Yes, but even with the bar being on the floor,
51:08
Speaker 2: they've only sent Matthew Stafford there three times.
51:12
Speaker 1: Fair enough. When I hear Russell Wilson's Hall of Fame case,
51:19
Speaker 1: too often I hear 10-time Pro Bowler, and Walter Payton
51:24
Speaker 1: Man of the Year.
51:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, anybody saying that. And I just, I'm like, I don't.
51:29
Speaker 4: I don't care about, like, the Walter Payton Man of
51:31
Speaker 4: the Year, like, listen, I'm a Chicagoan, I obviously, like,
51:34
Speaker 4: respect the Walter Payton story, whatever, but, like, I don't
51:37
Speaker 4: care about that for the Hall of Fame.
51:39
Speaker 2: Right.
51:40
Speaker 1: And then, you know, he was, he was, what, one
51:43
Speaker 1: second team All-Pro, and I, so I just, I never
51:47
Speaker 1: looked at him as the, and.
51:49
Speaker 2: In his Super Bowl.
51:51
Speaker 1: He had, I believe, three passing touchdowns in three games
51:54
Speaker 1: and one rushing touchdown. It wasn't because he was some
51:57
Speaker 1: sort of otherworldly playoff performer. I don't even know that
52:00
Speaker 1: you could really make an Eli Manning-ish case for him.
52:03
Speaker 1: I just look at him as being a consistently good
52:08
Speaker 1: to very good player.
52:09
Speaker 2: Who won early.
52:11
Speaker 1: And I can't really explain the total number of Pro
52:15
Speaker 1: Bowl things. but I just feel like I saw Matt
52:17
Speaker 1: Castle and Mitch Trubisky make a pro bowl. And I
52:19
Speaker 1: saw Russell Wilson do it with 16 touchdowns and 11 picks.
52:23
Speaker 1: So I don't particularly care that he made double digit
52:25
Speaker 1: of them.
52:25
Speaker 2: And so that's the thing with me is I don't
52:27
Speaker 2: care that he made double digit of them necessarily. Although
52:29
Speaker 2: 10 is a really high number. Like the pro bowls
52:33
Speaker 2: ain't getting Jason Whitten in the hall of fame with me.
52:35
Speaker 2: So I understand it. It is interesting that you're like
52:38
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson did it very early. And the thing with
52:41
Speaker 2: Stafford is it's kind of the same, except he's doing
52:44
Speaker 2: it very late. Right? Like, So another example or point
52:48
Speaker 2: to make on this, Matthew Stafford has, and this would
52:51
Speaker 2: shock people, four seasons with 30 or more touchdowns. Russell
52:54
Speaker 2: Wilson has five. Like the counting stats for Stafford are
52:59
Speaker 2: overwhelming in large part because of having a buttload of attempts.
53:03
Speaker 2: But somewhere along the way, we just decided Matthew Stafford
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Speaker 2: was a Hall of Famer and then it went bad
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Speaker 2: for Russell Wilson and we decided he's not. Like, well,
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Speaker 2: Russell reminds me of to a degree, though they're not
53:11
Speaker 2: analogous players completely. is Andrew Jones fell off the cliff
53:15
Speaker 2: at about 31 or 32 in baseball, and he finally
53:18
Speaker 2: made it in, but then being the greatest center fielder
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Speaker 2: of all time and having 400 home runs somehow didn't
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Speaker 2: matter because what we saw at the end is what
53:26
Speaker 2: marred it. And I think that's what's happened to Russell Wilson,
53:30
Speaker 2: and I don't believe you can play your way out
53:31
Speaker 2: of a Hall of Fame. And I think that's a
53:34
Speaker 2: demerit that he has received from a lot of people. Now,
53:37
Speaker 2: I don't think he's an inner circle Hall of Famer.
53:39
Speaker 2: I think that even if he got in, he'd be
53:41
Speaker 2: a guy that's going to need to wait and we
53:43
Speaker 2: get some votes. Like, Stafford's going to have to wait
53:45
Speaker 2: for some votes. Although I think people have just decided
53:48
Speaker 2: that they're going to do this shit. I just can't.
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Speaker 1: So you say attempts, like, isn't there something to the
53:55
Speaker 1: trusting the talent to throw that?
53:57
Speaker 2: I mean, Stafford has.
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Speaker 1: 64,000 career yards and 423 career touchdowns.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: 47,000 for Russ and 353. I mean, that is a
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Speaker 1: significant count. Call them counting stats, call them later on
54:12
Speaker 1: the lines and it's garbage time yards. Like that, 17,000 yards,
54:16
Speaker 1: it's significant.
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Speaker 2: I think there is something. Also, let's not forget Stafford
54:19
Speaker 2: played three years longer. I do think that there is
54:23
Speaker 2: something to that. I think the most interesting thing, by comparison,
54:26
Speaker 2: if you're looking statistically, is that Matthew Stafford with that
54:29
Speaker 2: big arm and everything else, 7.4 yards per attempt for
54:32
Speaker 2: a career, and Russell Wilson, 7.7. The part where I
54:36
Speaker 2: think that Russell does not get enough credit is that
54:39
Speaker 2: I greatly value quarterbacks who get the ball down the field.
54:42
Speaker 2: Stafford can do all the trick throws and everything else.
54:45
Speaker 2: Russell can get the ball down the field. The other
54:46
Speaker 2: problem with Russell obviously is the sacks. But Matthew Stafford
54:51
Speaker 2: was also a guy at points that took a gazillion. Yes,
54:54
Speaker 2: I'm bringing everything back to Stafford forever for those of
54:56
Speaker 2: you who listen to this show.
54:57
Speaker 1: I get it.
54:57
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for a very long time. But
55:02
Speaker 2: I wonder if... I think that a day will come
55:05
Speaker 2: where Russell Wilson makes the Hall of Fame. I do
55:08
Speaker 2: think a pile on began... that first year that he
55:11
Speaker 2: got to Denver and he never recovered from it.
55:15
Speaker 1: And don't, what do you put into the fact that,
55:17
Speaker 1: and again, I only have a couple more, but like
55:20
Speaker 1: some of his teammates openly say that he shouldn't be.
55:23
Speaker 2: It's the wildest thing. It's the, it's the wildest thing, man.
55:28
Speaker 2: I also wonder this too, man. I just wonder if
55:30
Speaker 2: they hate him. Cause he got it. He pulled that
55:32
Speaker 2: bad one to none of us ever thought he would. I, I, that.
55:36
Speaker 1: Is on the board of possibilities. I have no, I
55:39
Speaker 1: don't have a better theory than that. But it is
55:41
Speaker 1: wild to see, like, Richard Sherman out there talking about him.
55:44
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know.
55:45
Speaker 2: He was your quarterback when you won. Yeah, yeah. They
55:48
Speaker 2: are being ridiculously unbiased. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I don't
55:54
Speaker 2: think he's going to be that unbiased about Cam Chancellor's
55:56
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame case.
55:57
Speaker 1: No.
55:58
Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: So, like, that would be an amazing thing. Because I
56:02
Speaker 1: am very skeptical of him as an analyst. But that
56:05
Speaker 1: would be incredible if he just was, like, vengeful. and
56:08
Speaker 1: he just came out and started talking bad about everyone
56:11
Speaker 1: that had talked bad about him, that would be compelling theater.
56:14
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