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Buckeyes Preparing For Big Ten Opener At Michigan State · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a very special live episode of Buck Guys
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  Speaker 1: Tomorrow Morning for Wednesday, September twenty fifth.
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  Speaker 2: I'm your host, Tom Moore.
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  Speaker 1: The Michigan State game in three days, the game against
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  Speaker 1: Michigan in sixty six days. Get a chance to that
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  Speaker 1: is a fact, Tony. I would Tony, would I lie
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  Speaker 1: to you? The answer is not about this and also's
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  Speaker 1: not gonna lie about what we did today. We got
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  Speaker 1: a chance to talk to a high state head coach,
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Day, defensive coordinator Jim Knowles, starting quarterback Will Howard
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  Speaker 1: coming off of a game where the Buckeyes won forty
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  Speaker 1: nine to fourteen, and everyone was for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: very happy about the offense and sort of mixed mixed
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  Speaker 1: bag on the defense.
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  Speaker 2: Tony, I feel like we.
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  Speaker 1: Got to start with the defense because that was sort
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  Speaker 1: of the big topic of conversation throughout the day. Let's
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  Speaker 1: start with the update on Tyler Williams, defensive tackle. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: missed last week's game. What's the latest on TYLERK. Williams
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  Speaker 1: and his chance to play this weekend?
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  Speaker 3: Day to day, They're gonna put him out there and
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  Speaker 3: see if he can go today. According to Ryan Day,
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  Speaker 3: they'll see if you can go. They plan on doing
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  Speaker 3: it and seeing how things work out for him. But
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  Speaker 3: day to day Jim Knowles did say they hope he
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  Speaker 3: can play.
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  Speaker 2: So that's it. Yeah, I'm sure that's true.
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  Speaker 3: That's two coaches saying, hey, possibly he could.
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  Speaker 1: Be out there, and if he's not able to be
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  Speaker 1: out there, we saw a whole bunch of the younger
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  Speaker 1: guys get a chance to play there last weekend, and
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  Speaker 1: this was one of the times where I think Ryan
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  Speaker 1: d used the phrase mixed bag at one point. But
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  Speaker 1: what was their assessment of the play of some of
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  Speaker 1: the younger guys playing on the interior the defensive line
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  Speaker 1: last week?
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  Speaker 3: Some good, some not so good. Basically like you take
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  Speaker 3: the good, you take the bad, you take them both.
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  Speaker 3: There you have the facts of life, the facts of life.
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  Speaker 3: There's a time. But yeah, well, when asked about them
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  Speaker 3: the young guys, the first guy they I think Jim
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  Speaker 3: Knowles talked about is Taiwan Malone, who is a fourth
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  Speaker 3: year junior, so not exactly a young guy, but a
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  Speaker 3: guy that is still gaining experience. Made a couple of plays,
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  Speaker 3: but it's about consistency for all of these guys. And
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  Speaker 3: when asked if Taiwan Malone would start this week if
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  Speaker 3: Tyler Williams can't go. That's when Jim Moles said, well,
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  Speaker 3: we're hoping to leak can So we haven't discussed that yet,
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  Speaker 3: but I think everybody saw him make a couple of
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  Speaker 3: plays in there. I know the one on the fourth
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  Speaker 3: down stop. People are like, well, the quarterback just fell,
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  Speaker 3: but Taiwan Malone was there, yes, and there were guys
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  Speaker 3: behind him, so I think that play was going to
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  Speaker 3: be stopped regardless. But you know, Cad McDonald, Jason Moore,
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  Speaker 3: will Smith, Hero Canoe, just consistency is the key and
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  Speaker 3: you might make one play And he's talking about making
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  Speaker 3: a play outside of your gap and how that's only
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  Speaker 3: kind of good because they still need them to be
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  Speaker 3: disciplined and trustworthy. Basically, I know where you're going to
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  Speaker 3: be on every single play, and if you're not there,
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  Speaker 3: then that creates issues. You make get away with it
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  Speaker 3: this time, but next time it's an issue. And as
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  Speaker 3: we know, Jim Knows is talking about spending his off
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  Speaker 3: week and looking at how teams can take advantage of
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  Speaker 3: what they've done to this point and when you see
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  Speaker 3: guys that are maybe out of your gaps or not
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  Speaker 3: as strong at the point of attack, it creates concerns.
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  Speaker 1: Now, he did lay out a very specific circumstance in
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  Speaker 1: which he's okay with guys being out of their gaps act.
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  Speaker 3: He said, if somebody does their job initially then gets
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  Speaker 3: out of the gap and makes the play, that's cool.
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  Speaker 3: He's cool with that. So high bar. But still, you
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  Speaker 3: know what, everybody's striving for perfection. So would you recommend
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  Speaker 3: a defensive tackle strive for protection for perfection outside of his.
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  Speaker 2: Gaps, Tony, the standard is the standard.
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  Speaker 1: As I say quite a bit around here, the standard
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  Speaker 1: is the standard with the pass rush as well.
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  Speaker 2: And that's something where I think if.
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  Speaker 1: You asked the average Ohio State fan where they would
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  Speaker 1: grade the pass rush last week, they had what one
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  Speaker 1: sack last week?
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  Speaker 2: I believe it was Kayton Curry.
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  Speaker 1: If you ask the average of High State fan to
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  Speaker 1: grade the pass rush, and just in terms of the
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  Speaker 1: number of sacks, the grade would probably not be great.
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  Speaker 1: But it sounds like, you know, the standard is the standard,
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  Speaker 1: and just purely that number is not necessarily what they're
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  Speaker 1: looking at in terms of the standard.
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  Speaker 3: There, I felt like Ryan Day when he was asked
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  Speaker 3: about this, it was kind of like let me everybody
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  Speaker 3: gather around.
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  Speaker 2: It was a little irritated.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like listen, and he's like, this is basically this
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  Speaker 3: is a message for us and for the team as well.
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  Speaker 3: Like you you defend what you're seeing. And if a
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  Speaker 3: team doesn't want to give up any sacks, they can
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  Speaker 3: just rpo you and they're not going to hold onto
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  Speaker 3: the ball because it's either gonna be a quick read
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  Speaker 3: or a handoff, so you're not going to get there.
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  Speaker 3: And when they're not doing that, you're seeing some quick,
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  Speaker 3: quick throw. So like if a team doesn't want to
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  Speaker 3: just drop back, he said, no, team's just going to
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  Speaker 3: drop back for five seconds and way to get hit.
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  Speaker 3: And so he was just like, understand, we are going
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  Speaker 3: to defend what we are seeing. We're not going to
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  Speaker 3: try to defend what we're not seeing. Like you're just
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  Speaker 3: tearing up field against you know, something that vrpo or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: and you're still hitting the quarterback three seconds after he's
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  Speaker 3: gotten rid of the ball. How's that pass rush? It's
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  Speaker 3: not helping. So you know, there is no pass rush
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  Speaker 3: when it's just you read one guy and either you
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  Speaker 3: throw it or you hand it off. It's just boom boom.
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  Speaker 3: It's instantaneous, so you can't get there. But he did say,
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  Speaker 3: like there are different ways you can. You can do
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  Speaker 3: some other things to attack if you're not getting you know,
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  Speaker 3: home when you have an opportunity, but just the the
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  Speaker 3: numbers of opportunities have been limited based on the way
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  Speaker 3: offenses are going right now, and you have to defend
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  Speaker 3: what you're seeing town.
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  Speaker 1: You do, and so there's been some that's the defensive
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  Speaker 1: line and there's certainly been some consternation there. There's also
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  Speaker 1: been a little bit of consternation around the play the
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  Speaker 1: linebackers and some of the consistency there as well. What
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  Speaker 1: did Day and Jim Knowles have to say about that?
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  Speaker 3: And Jim Knowles initially was like, hey, tell us about
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  Speaker 3: the linebackers. You know, they're they're doing well, they know
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  Speaker 3: their assignments, and he's complimenting, and then he goes, but
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  Speaker 3: the tackling, they've got to get better at the tackling,
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  Speaker 3: and it's something you can't practice. They don't. There's not
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  Speaker 3: a loot, not any not much live tackling in practice,
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  Speaker 3: So practicing is going on now. That's that's maybe the
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  Speaker 3: best part about these preseason games. These non conference games
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  Speaker 3: as you can work on that. But then he said,
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  Speaker 3: and then once you do start tackling correctly, are you
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  Speaker 3: giving up free yards or are you giving up five yards?
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  Speaker 3: Because that's also an issue. So you need to get
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  Speaker 3: these guys down. We've seen linebackers get carried a little
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  Speaker 3: bit these first three games, so they need to continue
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  Speaker 3: to work on that and get stronger and more physical
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  Speaker 3: when they're coming downhill and just not giving up. If
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  Speaker 3: you hit the guy at the three three yards, get
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  Speaker 3: him down, don't let two more yards go, and now
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  Speaker 3: you're you're at a third and two instead of a
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  Speaker 3: third and four.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly.
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  Speaker 1: The difference between three yards and five yards is the
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  Speaker 1: difference between hey, you know, you maybe are in a
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  Speaker 1: third and four where you're a little more limited versus
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  Speaker 1: a third and one, which is you have to sort
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  Speaker 1: of assume they're going to pick it up.
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  Speaker 2: He did say Sunny Styles and c J. Hicks are
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  Speaker 2: really kind of have separated.
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  Speaker 3: In the kind of the sunny and Cody.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry sorry sorry, Cody, Yes, sorry, Tody Simon and Sunny
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  Speaker 1: styles he also talked about He also talked about r
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  Speaker 1: valve rees and there are a couple There are a
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  Speaker 1: couple of great quotes about r vel Rees. One was
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  Speaker 1: about the structured course to greatness and the other was
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  Speaker 1: about a flashing light.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So he was asked if r vel Ree could
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  Speaker 3: maybe move place some will, well, if that's not an option,
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  Speaker 3: and Jim Know's like, no, that's not an option because
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  Speaker 3: and he kind of pause and he's on a structured
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  Speaker 3: course to greatness, and it's like, that's one of the
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  Speaker 3: best lines I've ever heard. No pressure, there bub but
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  Speaker 3: they don't want to change anything. And then he was asked,
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  Speaker 3: when did that light go on for r Vello? Was
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  Speaker 3: in a preseason Like, yeah, it is in preseason and
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  Speaker 3: it was flashing. It's a flashing light. They're just trying
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  Speaker 3: to keep keep the lights on basically with him, which
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  Speaker 3: is another great line and really does a good job
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  Speaker 3: of explaining to everybody in a way that we can
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  Speaker 3: all understand.
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  Speaker 1: There was also no defensive player of the Game for
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  Speaker 1: the Marshall Game, which in a game that you win
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  Speaker 1: by five touchdowns, you would think certainly someone merited that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we talked about the standard being the standard, and no
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  Speaker 1: one met the standard last week.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I asked him why I know, player of the game.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, well, got to speak the truth. And that's
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  Speaker 3: they said they had some guys that grated out his champions,
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  Speaker 3: but nobody that played like, you know, like they want
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  Speaker 3: their a silver bullet to play. So it was I
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  Speaker 3: think it's clearly its messaging, but also not false. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's like, you do need to play better than this
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  Speaker 3: and get you need to win your one on ones
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  Speaker 3: and everybody needs to play up to their level and
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  Speaker 3: not down to the level of the opposition. And first
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  Speaker 3: couple of weeks they've done that, and boy, Jim Knowles
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  Speaker 3: really seems annoyed by those two touchdown drives in that
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  Speaker 3: first half.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can tell it seemed like both he and
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Day were a little bit irritated. When we were
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  Speaker 1: around these guys every week for multiple years, at least
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  Speaker 1: for big chunks of the year, you kind of get
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  Speaker 1: a sense and there are weeks that Ryan Day comes
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  Speaker 1: in there and he's in a good mood.
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  Speaker 2: This was not a good mood, Ryan Day. This was
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  Speaker 2: not a good mood, Gymnles, and this is not.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember what the point spread is this weekend,
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  Speaker 1: but it's you know, they're four to five touchdown favorites.
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  Speaker 1: This is not one that you're probably deeply concerned you're
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  Speaker 1: going to lose. But there's also this is kind of
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  Speaker 1: the other piece of the standard as a standard. If
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  Speaker 1: they don't feel like they're playing where they need to
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  Speaker 1: be right now, they're not happy three and oh or not.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah no, And when you're facing when you when you
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  Speaker 3: just got done facing a quarterback who ran the ball
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  Speaker 3: well on you and until you knocked them out of
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  Speaker 3: the game, and now you're about to face Aiden Childs
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  Speaker 3: who in the biggest games they've played, is run like
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  Speaker 3: seven to nine times per game. And that's not just sacks.
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  Speaker 3: That's evading pass rush, that's using his mobility. So that
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  Speaker 3: will continue to be part of this game. Would I
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  Speaker 3: would assume, because you're going to do what has worked
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  Speaker 3: against Ohio State to this point, and Ohio State's gonna
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  Speaker 3: have to adjust, maybe do some pre adjusting to prepare
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  Speaker 3: for that. But it's a road game in a big
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  Speaker 3: ten toime. Has anything ever happened on the road in
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  Speaker 3: the Big ten for Ohio State when you're three touchdown favorites.
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  Speaker 2: This game's not in West Lafayet, Indiana.
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  Speaker 3: Right, That is correct?
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  Speaker 2: It's not in Iowa City.
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  Speaker 3: That is correct, and being Michigan State, it is not
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  Speaker 3: an Ohio stadium, it is not.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Ohio State has not lost to Michigan State at
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  Speaker 1: Michigan State ninete nine. Yes, that's the last time they lost.
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  Speaker 1: That was twenty three to seven the year before that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's funny, I wrote. I went to the game notes.
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  Speaker 1: I got here a little early today. I went to
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  Speaker 1: the game notes and pulled like the twenty most interesting
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  Speaker 1: things I found in the game notes. One of those,
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  Speaker 1: Michigan State has only beating Ohio State fifteen times, but
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  Speaker 1: five of those were over top five Ohio State teams
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, nineteen seventy four, nineteen ninety eight, twenty thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. So every generation has its own version of
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  Speaker 1: the you know, sparty no brackets complimentary game. The Boomers
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  Speaker 1: have the seventies, US gen xers Tony we have nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety eight, and the millennials they have their twenty thirteen
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  Speaker 1: and their twenty fifteen. So if history is any indication,
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  Speaker 1: Michigan State will get Ohio State again at some point,
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  Speaker 1: this is I think it was. This was another one
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  Speaker 1: of these facts and now I'm I'm gonna get it wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but it was something like fifth or sixth year in
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  Speaker 1: a row that Ohio State is playing Michigan State as
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  Speaker 1: a top five team at the Buckeyes are the top
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  Speaker 1: five team yet again. So all right, so that's the
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  Speaker 1: playing with fire they are. Listen, listen where they would
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  Speaker 1: be they have been better off losing to Marta. Yes, maybe, listen,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not here to tell anyone how to
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  Speaker 1: do their job. There is on the other side of
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  Speaker 1: the ball. Spent a lot of time talking about defense.
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  Speaker 1: On the other side of the ball. There are a
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  Speaker 1: couple of things to keep an eye on there. One
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  Speaker 1: of them is the sort of rotation at the right
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  Speaker 1: guard position. We saw a little bit of Austin Syrahveld,
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  Speaker 1: just saw a little bit of Taker Chabola last Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like Taker's still the starter, but Tagra is not
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  Speaker 1: the only one who's going to play it right guard
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  Speaker 1: on top.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we as you said, we saw that with
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  Speaker 3: Austin Seerveld getting some time and he'll continue to get
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  Speaker 3: some time. And Day was asked about the cohesion and
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  Speaker 3: wanting to balance the cohesion with wanting to get build
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  Speaker 3: that depth, and he's like, well, you know, in practice,
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  Speaker 3: these guys switch out all the time, and you've got
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  Speaker 3: veterans who are accustomed to play with each other and
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  Speaker 3: can play with whomever. So it sounds like the cohesion, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you want it, but there's cohesion with whomever they put
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  Speaker 3: in there. But all so, I thought it's interesting that
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  Speaker 3: this is the second week in ROW. I think the
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  Speaker 3: Dayta said this that it's not a bad thing for
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  Speaker 3: tager Shabola to come off the come out of the
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  Speaker 3: game and take take a series, to just take a breather,
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  Speaker 3: look at the iPad, see what's going on, have but
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  Speaker 3: have more answers for when he's back out there. And
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  Speaker 3: same thing for Seervel to to come out off the
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  Speaker 3: off the field and see, okay, this is what I
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  Speaker 3: did wrong. Next time, I can do this and get
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  Speaker 3: that instant feedback so that you're more equipped when you
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  Speaker 3: go back out there. So it's interesting because it's not
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  Speaker 3: something that generally you keep your five out there. You
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  Speaker 3: send them out there and that's that's who you're rolling with.
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  Speaker 3: When you look at snapcounts over the years, you can
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  Speaker 3: see the top five guys all have the same number
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  Speaker 3: of snapcounts for most of the games. That's not going
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  Speaker 3: to be the case this year, at least for the
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  Speaker 3: for the foreseeable future with those two.
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  Speaker 1: So we've done all of our reporting so far, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to ask you to get a little speculative here.
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  Speaker 1: They're making the rotation at right guard like that. Carson
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  Speaker 1: Hinzman has by all accounts, been completely fine at center,
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  Speaker 1: So why are they not doing that at center? Because
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  Speaker 1: it feels like you've got Seth maclachlin. You could, certainly
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  Speaker 1: if if you're trying to get guys prepared and have
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  Speaker 1: some depth because of the number of games you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: play in the number of snaps everyone's gonna have and
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  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, it seems like it would
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  Speaker 1: make sense.
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  Speaker 2: Tackle. I get it.
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  Speaker 1: You probably feels like there's probably a bigger drop off
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  Speaker 1: between the starting tackles and the starting starting back or
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  Speaker 1: the backup tackles.
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  Speaker 2: Is the center a well.
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  Speaker 1: Seth maclachlin is new, so, but he's also not you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's a veteran, so he's not in the same boat
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  Speaker 1: as Haggers Shabola in terms of needing to take a
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  Speaker 1: break and watch the iPad or is it that there's
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  Speaker 1: a bigger gap there. This is one of these things
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  Speaker 1: that I didn't think about in terms in time to
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  Speaker 1: ask that question today. It just sort of occurred to
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  Speaker 1: me that it feels like they have they presumably feel
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  Speaker 1: like Carson Hensman is in that sort of circle of
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  Speaker 1: trust you would think, so it's interesting that they're not
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  Speaker 1: doing that at center.
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  Speaker 3: I think they've view Seth MacLaughlin as Dewell Howard of
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  Speaker 3: center basically like he's too valuable to take off the field,
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  Speaker 3: and he with him and Donovan Jackson together the interior
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  Speaker 3: is really good. If you're going to rotate two guys,
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  Speaker 3: you kind of want to keep I think the other
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  Speaker 3: two stationary. You know, you don't want to go crazy
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  Speaker 3: with rotation. But also with the way this offensive line,
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  Speaker 3: the running game is going, the center being so important
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  Speaker 3: and the communication being so important, and he being the
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  Speaker 3: forefront of that and the protections, I think right now
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  Speaker 3: they don't want to mess with that, And I do
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  Speaker 3: think there's a bigger gap. Maybe not, you know, Will
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  Speaker 3: Howard to Devin Brown or Josh Simmons to whomever, George Fitzpatrick,
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  Speaker 3: Zen Maholski, but I think there's a sizeable gap, and
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  Speaker 3: they just don't. He's too valuable in my opinion, to
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  Speaker 3: get crazy with it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So Seph McLaughlin is the Will Howard of
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: the offensive line that would, presumably, by the transit of property,
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: make Will Howard is Seph McLaughlin off the quarterback room.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: So we had a chance to talk to Will Howard
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit and get a chance to ask him about,
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: you know, spreading the ball around you. You asked Ryan
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Day about feedback that he gets from Will Howard in
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: terms of what is he what does he going when
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: Bill Howard goes in and gives him feedback about the
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: previous game and up about the upcoming game, what is
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: he talking about?
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, first time. It's frustrating when you ask a coach
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: something about a quarterback. Then you'd also like to ask
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: the quarterback about it, but you don't get called on.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: But that's neither here nor there. But you said because
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: I asked, like, what kind of feedback? And you said,
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: as you said, And it's a lot of in the
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: film room. It's out on the field. It's when everybody's
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: home and you're getting texts and he and Chip Kelly
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: and Will Howard are always going back and forth. But
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: you know, you're talking about what plays do you feel
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: great about? What plays do you not feel great about?
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: Then I asked Day like, do you does will ever
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: say I'd like to get say I'd like to Carnal
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: more involved. I'd like to get this guy more involved.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: He's like, that's that's really the court that comes through
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: the course of the game planning because they're trying to
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: get everybody involved. So it's not even a conversation that
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: needs to happen to be because they're all trying to
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: get Carneval the ball, they're all trying to get Brandon
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: and as they're trying to get this guy involved, So
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: that's not really part of the conversation. But there is
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: just feedback on I like this, look, I'd preferred over this,
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: and you know, just the kind of feedback that you'd
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: want to have, want to have from your quarterback, your
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: leader who sees it the way you see it, who
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: understands what you're seeing, can communicate it with you. And
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: then also is in the film room before any of
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: the room, the quarterback room talk begins or anything on
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: the practice field begins, and he can bring stuff the
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: questions good questions, answers, solutions, and just another perspective. And
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: it's like, I'm the guy throwing the ball, this is
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: what I see. What about this? And then you can
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: go back back, back and forth because Chip Kelly has
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: a different perspective than Ryan Day. And I think that's
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: a pretty good triangle you got there.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: One thing that we talk about over and over and
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: over again is winning in.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: The trenches and the import run the ball.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: And Ryan Day, when he was asked about the defensive
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: line and the sacks, talked about stopping the run as
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: the number one Yeah. And Will Howard talked about the
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: fact that when they can run the ball effectively on offense,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: it opens up so many other things. I thought that
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: was kind of interesting, two different sides of basically the
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: same conversation, where why do you have to stop the run? Well,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: listen to Will Howard talk about what you're able to
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: do if you're able to run the ball and how
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: that opens up the whole offense.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And then with the RPOs, it's like you can't
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: choose correctly if you're a defense, so you're always going
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: to be out of disadvantage. But when we haven't seen
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: much of the deep throws I think maybe won a
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: game at this point. And that's a lot of because
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: the safeties are back, which is going to allow the
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: running game to continue. But eventually you're gonna have to like, hey,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: you know what, we can't keep giving up tow hundred
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: and eight yard rushing. We can't keep allowing twelve point
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: seven yards per carry. We might want to bring somebody
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: else up. And it's like, you know, but but if
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: you do that. Yeah, now you've got these three receivers
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: and you know, maybe three defenders for them, and that's
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: not going to go very well because Will Howard can
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: pick and choose, and as long as he's got time
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: to go through his progressions, somebody is gonna be open.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: He just has to put the ball on the right spot. So, yeah,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: stopping the run, it all stops. It starts there. Ryan
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Day said, stop the run first and get get off
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: the field. And third down is like the next thing
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: basically in terms of it. That's that's the product of
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: the byproduct of stopping that run is that now third
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: down is much easier. And it was that three for
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: three on third down in that first drive for Marshall
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: that got them down the field and in the.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: End zone and there was thank on that was it?
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, that was That was the last thing I was
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: asking about about that, And then the last thing I
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about was Carlos Lochlin.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Very interesting question.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah that was good.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: How long did Ryan Day know Carlos Lochlan before he
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: hired him?
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: And it's the first time he talked to him was
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: on the Zoom where he interviewed him. And when you
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: look at Carlos Lachlan physically, he looks like the kind
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: of guy that sort of dominates the space. And when
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: you watch him coaching people, he doesn't seem like he's
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the most concerned about your feelings or about subtlety.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: He seems to approach everything.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: He kind of goes into life face first, it seems like,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: and it sounds like that was the approach he took
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: in the interview with Ohios Dating.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: It sounds like that was a winning approach.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, it said. He basically Lachland basically interviewed them.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: They get on the Zoom and Ryan Day basically says, hey,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: how's it going, Nice to meet you, and then boom,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Carlos Loughlin just takes over. He said he had presentation
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: set and everything that he saw and could do, and
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: you know, he had he knew all about Brian Day
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: and Chip Kelly and all of these different things, and
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: then Ryan Day got his background and it's like all
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: of this stuff he knew. He said pretty much right
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: away that this was the guy for them. And what
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: do you say, like, the number one thing over all
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: of this was just the mentality that he would bring
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: to the football team. Aside from all of the scheme
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: stuff that that and the teaching techniques that were all
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: high level, it was, you know, one all across the board.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: And I think we're seeing the results of that. And
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: and it's interesting you talk about how he's not not
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: a quiet He's not he's not gonna be too worried
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: about your feelings. Contrast that to his first day at work,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: when he was on his first day of practice when
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: we talked to him and I was like, well, I
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: was just kind of watching today and being a very
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: quiet running backs coach, and that is not what he
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: is at all any longer. And that only lasted, you know,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: a day or two, and then and then they got
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: through all coach.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Lock And what's interesting is I think people right now
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: you look at him and it would be hard to
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: pick anything in terms of running back production. Now he
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: inherited Fevan Henderson and quinch On Judkins, but James people
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: seems like he has sort of hit the ground running,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: so to speak. So it would be hard to nitpick
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: anything in the approach. But I'm not sure how much
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: you can grade him yet because if you have two
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: guys who are among the best, the two guys who
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: are tied right now for the most rushing touchdowns in
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: the nation among active players, Trevian Henderson and quinch and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Judkins both have thirty six most among active players in
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the nation. So he didn't build those guys from scratch.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: But also it would be pretty hard to nitpick anything
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: else right now.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: We've seen him look worse just last year, I mean
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: brench Own Judkins averaging four point three or four yards
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: per carry. He's overdoubled that right now. So yeah, everything
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: that we've seen so far has been good. And they
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: talked about the when you bring in guys that you
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: don't know, it brings new perspective and we've often talked
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: about they sometimes the worst hires that coaches make are
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: their buddies, and sometimes the best hires they make are
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: the guys they've never met before. And when you look
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: at Jim Knowles, I know, I know there are still
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: people who don't like him because well, they gave up
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: two touchdowns last week, so that's bad. But a guy
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: that ryand they had no prior relationship with, they ended
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: up producing the number one, two or three defense by
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: whatever metric you want to look at last year, So
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: clearly that was a good hire. This appears to be
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: a very good hire as well. And then sometimes just
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: keeping the guys that you came in with or that
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: were here when you got here is also a smart thing.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Like with Brian Hartline.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: There is no guaranteed this is going to be a
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: home run higher for the most part, because you look
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: at the guys who are brand new and brand new
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: to coaching, and you know Brian Hartlin. When Brian Hartline
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: took over as the wide receivers coach, he was more
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: or less brand new to coach, the first time he's
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: ever held that kind of a position, and that has
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: clearly been about a ten out of ten in terms
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: of a wide receiver coach.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: James Laura and iis obviously has been great in recruiting.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: And I don't know how much you're you're judging his
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: coaching this year based on the linebacker play and how
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: you would great the linebacker play. But that's sort of
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit if a you know, a little bit
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: of a maybe you give him an incomplete so far
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: until he's got a couple of ters of track record.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: They have brought in the veteran coaches who have coached
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: other places.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: That haven't worked out at all.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: They've brought in the veteran coaches who have coached other
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: places that have worked out great. He brought in his
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: buddy Chick Kelly. That worked out great, Urban Meyer brought
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: in Bill Davis.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: How'd that work out?
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Well, we're out of time, but great Shadow worked out?
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Greg Shadow worked out great.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: So there is no there is no simple formula for
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: this is going to be a great coach.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: It's like trying to grade an NFL draft the day
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: of the draft.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: You can do it, sure, but you're not going to
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: know how did the Caleb Williams pick get graded? Probably
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: better than it would get graded right now, How will
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: it get graded three years from now I don't know,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: so we'll see.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and Day gets criticized for the Justin fryt
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: higher because they know each other. Ye, Jeff Haffley, Ryan
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Day and Jeff Haffley great friends. That was it. Maybe
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: may still be the best hire of his career. Who knows,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: like that was a very good hire. But you know there,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think there is any true formula in this.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: No, no, I don't think so either.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: One thing that is a true formula if you hit
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: the thumb up button, Tony and I will be happy.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: So go ahead and do that right now. We do
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: want to get to some questions as well.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Hey Tom, who is not happy right now? The head
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: coach of ot Ohio State? What is what is the well?
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: What did he say about? Are you happy with anything?
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Do you like anything? What was the quote?
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: H it was?
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I can find it on I know Dave Holmes tweeted it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: He said, I don't feel good about anything. No one
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: should feel good about anything.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: That's uh.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: That was the mood he was in today. Yeah, but
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: please feel good about stuff.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Nikahnnah turf monster was very active on Saturday.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Mika Hannah says, the turf Monster is very
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: active on Saturday. That was I think a direct result
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: of the heat on that field and the Jenny's Taft
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: on the sideline zapped it with a laser and said
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: it was one hundred and forty five degrees on the field,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: which I can believe. And at that temperature, the little
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: rubber there's little rubber pellets like chopped up tires in
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: there between the blades of fake grass, and at some
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: point that starts melting a little bit, like it's it's
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: like the videos of summer in Phoenix where you can
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: cook an egg on the you know, cook an egg
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: on the sidewalks. I think they might get a little
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: upset if I cooked an egg and melted an egg
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: into the turf, I might not get invited back. So
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe not. But I think the heat there probably
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: compromised the turf a little bit, just because of the
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: heat and the humidity and all that kind of stuff.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see, I know, I know people
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: are constantly saying like there's always problems with slipping on
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the turf. I think there's a little bit of confirmation
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: bias there, because it's not if you go out there
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and shuffle your feet on that turf.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: It's not slick all the time. So I think there might.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Be you see a guy slip and you go, you
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: remember all the other times you saw a guy slip.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of guys making cuts during the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: course of a game. And they're not all just you know,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: falling on like they're on black ice.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree. Also, these are incredible athletes making
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: cuts that shouldn't be possible, and sometimes they're not.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: The next one is from Mike. Can this team stop
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: the cheaters up north on third and two?
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: So?
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Can Ohio State stop Michigan?
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: How'd you know he was talking about and two?
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: So I think one of the keys is going to
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: be not letting it get to third and two.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: That's that's the biggest thing.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: That's the biggest thing. That's one of the things that
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: did it get there.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk about it in terms of getting to
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: tackle it and holding them at three yards versus five
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: yards you know on a run. So that's one of
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the things. The Michigan offensive line has not been dominant issue.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: This is not a Michigan offensive line like you saw
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty twenty three. This is this is an
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: offensive line. It's taking a step back. Where will they
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: be at the end of the season. We'll find out.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: It feels like they're still kind of shuffling centers and
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff at times. I'm going to I'm
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: going to guess that the approach, the defensive approach against
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Michigan can to be substantially different than the defensive approach
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: against Marshall was. Yes, it's yes, the Marshall offensive line
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: is not as good as the Michigan offensive line.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Marsha's quarterback can throw the ball down field.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Michigan, depending on who they have at quarterback, either is
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: going to have a runner or a guy who can
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: throw the ball down field. There is not an end
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: there is. It is not and or it is that
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: they can do this or they can do that. That
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: feels like that's going to make them a little more predictable,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: which would presumably make it easier for Ohio State stop.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: And third and two is a losing proposition for a
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: defense anyway, because even if even if you stop them
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: on third and two in a gaining yard, now you're
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: fourth and one, can you stop them from getting a yard?
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: You know? And so we know Michigan likes to go
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: for it on fourth down. They did it last week
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: in their own territory. So the key will be not
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: getting there and it's tough to stop anybody third and two,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: whether they can throw or not. Because Michigan, as we know,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: we'll throw out six offensive linemen. They'll put six offensive
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: linemen out there, they'll have two or three tight ends
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: out there, and then you know they'll run off that.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Now they they are kind of soft in the middle
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: right now, which is gonna be difficult for them, but
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: they will be much better by the time they get
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: to Columbus at the end of November. But third and
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: two is always a losing proposition for defense, and just
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: based on the odds.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: From Odysseus, who has the cot of shame this week?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Did you who has a cut of shame this weekend?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: From Odysseus? Did you grade the have not looked?
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: I know I have not, but I we kind of
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: talked through it after the post game show, and I
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: think we might be tired like TOW two. Sorry keV,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Sorry Special, OK, sorry k Pop? No, all right, Yeah,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I think honestly we
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: tied is the way I'm remembering it, but I will
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: check with I'll check with stat Zinc and see, uh
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: what they had to say, see if we can figure
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: this out and find me a.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Win bold predictions tiebreaker off on the Friday night game.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: The Friday night game is one one bold prediction off
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: and maybe we do a bold over under or something
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Figure out.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: We'll figure it out.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Virginia Tech Miami or Friday.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Night Virginia Tech Miami is Friday night.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: There's a big ten game, but then we have to
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: watch Virginia Tech Miami, so.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be a bad one.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Steve off of Twitter, I think our first Twitter question
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: what is your assessment of j T. Tumalo's play, that's.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Fall the assessment of j T twy Milo's play thus
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: far I did see. I think very good rating from PFF.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I know we talked about it earlier with the sacks,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: and that's how everybody grades a defensive end. I I
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: think with him, we expect to see him more, you know,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: you expect to see him in the backfield more, making
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: more plays. I think the worst thing you ever did
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: was have that Penn State game where it's like, oh,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: this is how he should. You know, we need to
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: see this more often. It's like you don't see that
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: once a decade, so you don't don't expect that kind
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: of stuff to happen. But I think you would like
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: to see him. Have you a two sac game, like
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: why can Josiah Stewart do it at Michigan bud j
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: T two and moloaw does doesn't. But again, as ran
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Day said, you defend the offenses that you're seeing. They're
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: not going to just sit back and wait for J T.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Tweebola to get to them. But I I don't have
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: a huge issue with how he's playing based on what
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: they're doing and based on the fact that they're not
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: really giving up any points. Would you like to see
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: him make more plays? You'd like to see everybody make
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: more play. You know. I've seen criticism of Caleb Downs
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: and it's like, I know, I think people people want
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: maybe too much from all of these guys. When if
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: I'm just doing my one eleventh and I'm doing exactly
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: right and the ball never comes to me, is that
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: my fall?
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I remember covering Pickerington Newark game, Oh yeah in twenty
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: was that twenty twenty?
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah? You and I were there, right, and it was.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Sunny Styles Lorenzo Styles too, but we were there watching,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: so Lorenzo Styles Junior and Sunny Styles playing for Pickerington
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: and Sonny Styles is playing safety. And we covered the
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: entire game and there was not a ball that ended
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: up within ten yards of him, and it was because
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: the Pickerington pass rush was absolutely eating Newark's lunch and
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: they couldn't they couldn't get the ball.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: It was it was an alex Orgi offense.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: They could not get the ball ten yards downfield to
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: even give Sonney Styles an opportunity to make a play.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: So you walked away from that and it was like, well,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: how would you evaluate Sunny Styles play like shrug emoji.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know. This is this is one of the
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: things where I'm going to read you.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I tweeted out photos of j T two Moloao screaming
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: to himself in the tunnel.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Before the game.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I just thought, Hey, these are cool pictures, and I said,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: how intense to HG two molo get in the tunnel
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: moments before the game. This intense. I'm just going to
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: read you a selection of the replies. It was ten replies.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: It was all the same reply, are you sure he's
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: not yawning? I'd like to see him transfer that to
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: the field against Michigan in four or four Not found.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I wish JT would just pretend he's playing Penn State
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: every week he was on the field. Would be awesome
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: if you channel that into the game next time. Did
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: he play Saturday? He played on Saturday? Did he played
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: on Saturday? Would be nice if you showed up on
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the score sheet too. So there you go, that's that's
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: your Uh, that's that's sort of the perception right now.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: But if the coaching staff felt like, yeah, this guy's
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: not doing anything, this guy's not making any kind of
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: an impact. They have shuffle guys that are out before.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: This is not someone that they're looking at and going,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: this guy can't do anything.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Why what a bum?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: So there's a there's a maybe of any player on
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the team, there might be the biggest gap in perception
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: between the coaching staff and the fan base around him.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I would agree with that because coaches, from what
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: we hear from them, he's the one thing you can
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: count on. He's going to do what you tell him.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: What what what you tell him to do? He's gonna
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: get done, and maybe they should just tell him go
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: get the quarterback every time, and maybe he would do
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: that and make people happy. But yeah, I think criticism
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: of defensive ends is interesting because it's solely based on
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: sacks and if you are not trying to accomplish that,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: and you're not being given an opportunity to accomplish that,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: whether it's from the quarterback and the RPO stuff like
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: we talked about that, you're gonna look terrible. You're not
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: going to create the numbers that everybody wants. But I
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: so much of it is just based on what the
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: defense is doing, what they're supposed to be doing. And
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: of course, yeah, you still need to get home at
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: some point, but no defense end is really going to
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: get there in like one point four seconds or whatever.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: And I think back a couple of years to Javonte
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Jean Baptiste when he was at Ohio State, and there
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: was kind of the same why do they bother wasting
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: snaps on this guy kind of reception, And then he
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: goes to Notre Dame in a little bit of a
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: different defense, in a little bit of a different role
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: and has a really good final season. And I saw
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: on Monday night, he got his first NFL sack. So
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: obviously the talent is there. And I think that's sort
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: of the same situation with JT where you're going to
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: see it at times. It is not going to be
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: the Penn State game every single time. That's just that
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: you remember the Penn State game because it is an
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: outlier for not just for him, but for the entirety
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: of the defensive end position basically for the history of
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: college football. He's he is still the last Ohio State
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: player to have two interceptions in one game and he's
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: a defensive end, like that's that's and and that did
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: not just happen last week. That happened a couple of
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: years ago. So that is an incredible outlier. And so
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: that's not really a fair standard to judge him against.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: And you know, we'll see where he ends up later
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: in the season and if they if they do stop
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Michigan on third and two, the perception of him is
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: going to change because a lot of this is sort
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: of tinted by the fact that that's Jim. You talked
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: about the criticism of Jim Goles, and statistically, yes, but
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: you say that and I would almost guarantee you. Somewhere
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: in the comments on our YouTube, someone was saying, yeah,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: but they haven't gotten off the field against Michigan in
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the second half the last two years, so dot dot dot,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: and that's there is a certain amount of until you
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: do it, you haven't done it kind of thing. So
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I think there is something of an unfair standard with him,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and something of a little bit of a misunderstanding maybe
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: with him.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: But also I get it. I mean I see where
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: people are coming from.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agreed. I mean this is how defensive ends
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: are judged. It's by sacks, and we're not watching the
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: film and getting the grades and what they're supposed to
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: be doing. So we look at the numbers and it's like,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: shouldn't you have more numbers? Other players have had more numbers.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: We've seen this happen before. You are five star, number
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: one player in the country. The expectations are numbers, and
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: the coaches will tell you the expectations are fine. Now,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: our coach is always going to be truthful, no.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Super chat from straight off. I like JT. Tuomolowaw and
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Jack inside and with quicker ends off the ball outside,
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: they will be fine. And big tim play but I
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: see them more inside in the NFL.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Go so straight dog saying that they he likes j T.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Two Molowe and Jackson are inside more than outside and
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: that that maybe where their future is in the NFL,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: And that's certainly a possibility. I'm that's basically what they're
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: doing in that rushman package is you're seeing too Moloaw Sawyer,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Kayten Curry and Kanyata Jackson out there, and I know
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I saw king out of Jackson and Kaden Curry on
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: the outside. At least sometimes I think they might be
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: mixing that up a little bit because I saw someone
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: else say the other way around.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Well, well, Kayden Curry, his stack came from inside inside. Yeah,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: And that's something he played in high school. It was
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: a fantastic defensive tackle in high school, but was a
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: six foot three, tw hundred and fifty pounds defensive tackle
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: in high school. And now he's finally big enough and
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: strong enough to where he can do that in the rushman.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I think JT. Twey Moloaw is probably suited for that
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: as well, but a lot of you have to get
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: buy in from the players to do it. I remember
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Nick nick Bosa as a sophomore was like, I'm I'm
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: like established enough now that I don't have to go inside,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Like I don't want to go inside anymore. I'm good
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: enough outside. And it's like, yeah, you are Pea in
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: twenty seventeen that you don't need to push him inside anymore.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Because this is also a guy Nick Bosa, who was
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: playing defensive tackle as a true freshman in big time
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: high school football. I think he's probably to the point where,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: like I would just like to stay outside. Yeah, But
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: with JT te Mo, Jim Knowlesy even talked about the
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: beaarfront with the Sawyer and Tuimoloa way out as the
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: kind of the outside linebackers with three defensive tackles in
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: between them, And I wouldn't be shocked if you see
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: some of that against Michigan or any other kind of
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: maybe Iowa in two weeks.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: And one thing is, yeah, you want to see that
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: In terms of a pass rush, I don't know that
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: you want to see that right now this season. If
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: it's first and ten or third and two, there's a
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: reason those guys are not playing inside, except they put
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: the rushman package in when it's third and eighth. Yeah,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: third and ten because that's a very predictable passing situation
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: where you don't have to worry about them running ISO
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: or inside zone or something like that, because they're going
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: to be throwing the ball. So that's why they sub
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: like that situationally, but you can't do that every play.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Let's see Troy v I was on a show earlier
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: and an Iowa fans said that Iowa has a good
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: chance to beat Ohio State. I let him have his dream.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: It didn't react.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: So does Iowa have a chance to beat Ohios State?
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, sure they have a chance to beat ohis
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a good chance to beat
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Ohio State. I think the problem that you're going to
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: run into is we talked about this with Michigan a
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: little bit earlier in the week on the Michigan Monday Show,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: where if you don't have an offense that's going to
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: be able to score thirty forty points, they give you
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: a much narrower path to victory. I have nothing but
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: respect for the Iowa defense, and that is one of
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the best coach most well schemed. Just we have a plan,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: we execute the plan full stop, end of story. Kind
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: of defenses the offense is still cheeks. I mean, the offense.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: They were better than Michigan was in terms of throwing
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: the ball last week, but they they're very one dimensional,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: and you know that's that's more than that's at least
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: one more dimension than they've had in some recent years.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: But they're gonna you know, in less Ohio State turnsmall
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: over and gives them a score, which happened the last
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: time I was here, they had a scoop and score
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: touchdown in less Ohio State. Does that Iowa's going to
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: score what seventeen points with a decent game, twenty point?
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like twenty one wins it.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and so.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, if Ohio State gets a twenty one, I don't
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: see Iowa scoring more than that without without a defensive touchdown.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, how confident are you that
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: they're going to be able to hold the High State
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: to twenty one? Not particularly right.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: I really like Caleb Johnson at running back, and he's
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: maybe leading the nation and rushing right now, and he's
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: an explosive guy. Ohis State has limited the explosive plays
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: as we know so far. But yeah, there's only so
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: much offense that Iowa can do without getting help. Right now,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: that's Ohio State defense isn't helping, the Ohigo State offense
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: isn't helping. So I was theoretically would have to do
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: it on their own, and I don't think they can.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: No.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of those games where there's a
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: way they win, but there's a way they win. There's
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: lots of ways that Ohio State wins. Iowa has to win.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: A very specific way. It's I go back to the
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: two thousand and what nine Perdue game where yeah, the
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Ohio State came in and there was a way Perdue
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: won that game, but it involved Ohio State turning the
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: ball over five times and kicking some field goals instead
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: of scoring touchdowns.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: And sure there's a way that happens, tonny.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I have watched a Brian Farren's offense score fifty five
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: points against.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Ohio State in person, live and in person now it.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Involved a pick six and a fake punt and yeah,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I mean just and a thousand yards of passing to
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: the tight ends. Sure it's possible. That's one where that's
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: a game that I think Ohio State fans are gonna
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: come away, not nearly as appreciative as they should about
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: what the final score might be, because that's one where
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be whatever, twenty seven to thirteen and everyone's
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: gonna go twenty seven to thirteen. And this is a
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: team that lost to Iowa State. Teams just don't score
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: fifty something points against Siowa very often. Ohiostate did the
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: last time they were here. But Iowa turn the ball
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: over I think six times in that game, five or
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: six times, so they got a little help to do
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: that too. It's just it is just not that easy
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: to score a bunch of points against Iowa. So it'll
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: probably be close, but Iowa's probably gonna be good enough
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: that it'll it'll keep it close, but not good enough
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: that they'll be able to actually win it without a
• 41:42
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