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Chuck in the Morning 8-27 Hour 3: Beaking News and Mirror Mirror- who is the fairest of them all when it comes to the piggyback? NFL News and Notes and the new faces of the Dawgs. · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Leonard Williams and the Seattle Seahawks have agreed to terms
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  Speaker 1: on an extension that makes Leonard Williams one of the
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  Speaker 1: highest paid defensive tackles in the National Football League. Sounds
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  Speaker 1: like it is a three-year, $ 90 million extension for Leonard Williams.
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  Speaker 1: The story that I saw says coming off of a
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  Speaker 1: massive season, he's coming off of two massive seasons as
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  Speaker 1: a member of the Seahawks. And I think we've seen
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  Speaker 1: in hard knocks just how valuable Leonard He is to
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  Speaker 1: this team in so many ways, even ways that I
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  Speaker 1: didn't even understand until you start seeing behind the scenes footage.
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  Speaker 1: So great player, great teammate, seems like a great human
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  Speaker 1: being as far as we can tell. And one of
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  Speaker 1: the players, clearly, Ashley, that the Seahawks have identified as, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we've got a championship window here, and this guy needs
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  Speaker 1: to be a part of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think we were talking about it, what,
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  Speaker 2: two years ago, that the rest of the NFL didn't
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  Speaker 2: recognize the value of Leonard Williams, but the Seahawks sure
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  Speaker 2: recognize the value of Leonard Williams. And this is just
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  Speaker 2: further proof that he is such an important part of
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  Speaker 2: this team.
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  Speaker 1: So we now have, and I do want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about this in greater detail later in the show, Now
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  Speaker 1: you have a cornerback making over $ 30 million. You have
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  Speaker 1: a receiver making $ 40 million. You've got a defensive tackle
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  Speaker 1: now making $ 30 million. Byron Murphy is going to make
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  Speaker 1: $ 30 to $ 40 million on his new deal next season.
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  Speaker 1: And Sam Darnold is going to have to be paid $ 45, $ 50,
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  Speaker 1: $ 55 million if he has another Even if he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have another Super Bowl year, if he has another great year,
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  Speaker 1: you don't want him to go anywhere. You're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to start paying him some real quarterback money. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: not top of the market, but pretty close to that
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  Speaker 1: if he puts together back-to-back great seasons as a Seahawks.
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  Speaker 1: So you can see, again, we'll discuss more about this later,
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  Speaker 1: but you can see when Kansas City people and New
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  Speaker 1: England people, people that have won multiple championships in They
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  Speaker 1: warn you, you know, it's so hard to keep these
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  Speaker 1: teams together because of the salary cap and you do
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  Speaker 1: have to pick and choose. I'll say they're picking and
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  Speaker 1: choosing the right guys as far as I can tell.
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  Speaker 1: But man, that money evaporates very quickly under a cap
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  Speaker 1: when you start handing out $ 30 million per year contracts
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  Speaker 1: to four, five, six different guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're going to have to have a
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  Speaker 2: conversation with the Dodgers soon and see if they can
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  Speaker 2: come up with a way to defer some money.
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  Speaker 3: Can you do that?
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Passan says no, it doesn't really have an effect.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, but did he say that or did he not
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  Speaker 3: say that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, he said it, but he says now he didn't
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  Speaker 1: say it. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: There's no proof.
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  Speaker 1: There is proof.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: He said it and now is claiming he didn't say it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And there's proof of him saying it and there's also
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  Speaker 1: proof of him saying that he didn't say it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so that's double proof.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, Mariners or Seahawks, Dodgers on that same plan.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we're going to have to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, yep. I think the Coastal has also bought the
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks for $ 10 billion that they will pay in the
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  Speaker 1: year 3005. Makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. And the Allens were
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  Speaker 1: okay with that.
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  Speaker 3: They were like, yeah, we don't need it now anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Why would you need money?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: In a sale.
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  Speaker 3: We're just giving it all to charity.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Why would you work out an agreement and.
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  Speaker 1: Feel obligated to pay then?
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  Speaker 4: No. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But how about you give us a million dollars a
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  Speaker 3: year until then?
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So there you go. There's your breaking news. There's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of analysis and a lot of sarcasm. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: In the first five minutes of the eight o'clock hour.
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  Speaker 1: So hopefully you enjoyed that. But right now it is
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  Speaker 1: time for our newest feature here on the show. We've
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  Speaker 1: only done it once. I'm bringing it back today. It
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  Speaker 1: is time for Mirror Mirror.
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  Speaker 2: Magic mirror on the wall.
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  Speaker 1: Who is the fairest one of all? It's me.
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  Speaker 4: It's Mirror, Mirror on the Wall is asked who's the
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  Speaker 4: fairest of them all, and I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Here to tell you it's this guy.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's good.
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  Speaker 4: Who has two thumbs and is the fairest of them all.
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  Speaker 1: This guy.
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  Speaker 3: That guy in the Kraken hat.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, YouTubers. So, look, and I'm not saying, there
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  Speaker 1: are a lot of different definitions for fair. There's light-skinned.
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  Speaker 1: I'm that, but I'm not the fairest of them all.
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  Speaker 3: No, just on YouTube, it looks like we've never seen
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  Speaker 3: the sun.
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  Speaker 1: But there are fairer. Yeah. You know? And then there's fairest, like,
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  Speaker 1: The most handsome or the most beautiful person can be
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  Speaker 1: called fair. Well, I'm not saying that. I mean, top 12.
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  Speaker 1: But not the fairest.
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  Speaker 3: Of them all.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You could go to the world's fair.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Totally different.
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  Speaker 1: Like, Ryan Healy's probably more handsome. Even though I saw
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  Speaker 1: him yesterday. Really large head. Really does have a large head.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll tell you that.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I'm not the fairest of them all from
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  Speaker 1: that standpoint. But I do try. I really try my
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  Speaker 1: tookus off to be the fairest of them all on
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  Speaker 1: the airwaves.
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  Speaker 3: I do. I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I put a lot of thought into my takes,
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  Speaker 1: even the hot ones. Try to put a lot of
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  Speaker 1: thought in them. I think I will admit when I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And I think I do. And I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: apologize for it. I take credit when I've been right
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  Speaker 1: in the past. But I don't ever want to be
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  Speaker 1: seen as unfair. So we have another Mariner Topics to discuss.
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  Speaker 1: I've already warned you. We've already got some talkbacks on
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  Speaker 1: this topic. And we're going to get to your texts
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  Speaker 1: in a moment. And I want them one at a time.
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  Speaker 1: Don't give me a mountain of evidence. I just want
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  Speaker 1: your best reason for not wanting the piggyback to come back.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Okay? And... The reason I'm bringing this up is because
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  Speaker 1: it looks like it's going to in some form. We
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  Speaker 1: don't know when, how, what form it might take, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm hard-pressed to come up with a reason why Bryce
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  Speaker 1: Miller makes his next start. The way that he's pitched,
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  Speaker 1: his confession of he's not 100%, the fact that we're
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  Speaker 1: in a pennant race. right now and the fact that
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  Speaker 1: we would have to go back to a six-man rotation.
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  Speaker 1: I know what I saw from George the other day.
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  Speaker 1: I want to see that again in five days. Yes, please.
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  Speaker 1: Not six days. I know how well Logan's pitching right now.
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  Speaker 1: I want to see that in the span of a
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  Speaker 1: five-man rotation. I don't want to wait an extra day
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  Speaker 1: every time through the rotation for Logan Gilbert to pitch.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't want the six-man rotation.
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  Speaker 2: And I was going to say, too, look at what,
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  Speaker 2: with Wu, he missed a start. And look at what
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  Speaker 2: happened to him yesterday. Threw everything off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it did throw him off a little bit. Even
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  Speaker 1: though his stuff looked fine, his location was not. And so,
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  Speaker 1: let me just give you my take on the piggyback.
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  Speaker 1: As you know, I didn't think it was a crazy idea.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think it was an epic failure. I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was actually a very creative idea for how
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  Speaker 1: to handle this. that you theoretically could take two pitchers
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  Speaker 1: who weren't your best at the time and slot them
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  Speaker 1: five innings, four innings, so that you keep them stretched out,
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  Speaker 1: you save a bullpen for the day. And frankly, there
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  Speaker 1: were a lot of things about it that worked, that
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  Speaker 1: were successful. Bryce pitched his best while in that piggyback,
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  Speaker 1: by the way. So did Luis Castillo. Now, were there
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  Speaker 1: some problems with it? Yes, absolutely some problems with it.
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  Speaker 1: And one of them was communication. They didn't communicate it
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  Speaker 1: well enough to the players that were participating in it.
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  Speaker 1: There was no plan. Well, what if it's a one-run
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  Speaker 1: game and Castillo starts to struggle at the end? And
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  Speaker 1: we saw that game where they brought Munoz in and
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  Speaker 1: then like, emergency fashion and he clearly wasn't ready to
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  Speaker 1: pitch and he inherits two base runners because at the
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  Speaker 1: last second you decided to abandon the piggyback.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: We need Munoz to now put out this fire and
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  Speaker 1: save the game. Well, that's not effective. That was dumb. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and then what happens when you have a pitcher like
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  Speaker 1: Miller was who's locked in and is through five, he's
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  Speaker 1: got five shutout innings and he's sitting at 64 pitches
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  Speaker 1: and There was no plan for that either, and I
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  Speaker 1: would think that you have to have an adjustable element
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  Speaker 1: to your piggyback if you're going to go back to
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  Speaker 1: this where the pitcher isn't just automatically slated, you're working
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  Speaker 1: innings six through nine tonight, that you be able to
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  Speaker 1: adjust if the starting pitcher's on a heater and you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to take him out of the game. So
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  Speaker 1: to me, there were some effective things about it. I
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  Speaker 1: think it was certainly creative. There are already copycats around
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  Speaker 1: Major League Baseball that are doing the exact same thing.
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  Speaker 1: They're just not calling it the piggyback.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just not because we started it. But I
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  Speaker 1: do believe that there are some merits to bringing it
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  Speaker 1: back as long as the adjustments that I just discussed
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  Speaker 1: are made to it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I would like to say, too, if you're
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  Speaker 2: going to bring it back, actually bring it back because
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  Speaker 2: they were going to bring it back and they were
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  Speaker 2: going to do it with everybody. But then every time
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  Speaker 2: that they were going to do it, then they swapped
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  Speaker 2: back out to a six man rotation. So make the
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  Speaker 2: decision and stick with the decision as far as that's
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  Speaker 2: the day you're doing the piggyback. Then allow for flexibility
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  Speaker 2: within that game for what's going on with the piggyback.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they weren't. really committed to it, were they?
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  Speaker 3: No, it was weird.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I could maybe put that under the communication umbrella,
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  Speaker 1: or we could add that to the things that need to,
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  Speaker 1: because it was an experiment, and that's what you do
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  Speaker 1: with experiments. You put them in the Bunsen burners and
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  Speaker 1: everything else, and then you test it. No, we didn't
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  Speaker 1: get the result we were looking for, but what if
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  Speaker 1: we change it just like this? And then the next
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  Speaker 1: time you run the experiment, you get a better result,
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  Speaker 1: even though it might not be perfect. And then you
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  Speaker 1: make another adjustment. You add another eye of newt. You
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  Speaker 1: only had one eye of newt in that recipe.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone knows you need two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe you needed three. And that's what you need.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's the other element of it, which was disappointing,
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  Speaker 1: is that we are experimenting with this while the team's
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  Speaker 1: not playing good baseball. And it was maddening to some people.
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  Speaker 1: Why are we doing this? So those are, those are
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  Speaker 1: my beliefs. I'm not saying I want it back. I'm,
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  Speaker 1: but I am saying that I don't think it was
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  Speaker 1: without merit. Some people out there want to bury it
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  Speaker 1: with a shovel and then bury the shovel. And those
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  Speaker 1: are the people I want to hear from today and
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  Speaker 1: mirror mirror, give me one reason, not a mountain of reasons.
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  Speaker 1: And then we will isolate and discuss that one reason uh,
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  Speaker 1: at a time and let's go through this. Let's go
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  Speaker 1: to the, uh, talk backs.
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  Speaker 5: No piggyback. Bryce is breaking down. He'd be perfect to
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  Speaker 5: just air it out for an inning or two. He
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  Speaker 5: might need a little bit more rest. I think that'd
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  Speaker 5: be okay. If we don't have a short bullpen, like
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  Speaker 5: we've had the entire effing season, just.
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  Speaker 1: Put them in the bullpen.
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  Speaker 5: It's not going to be a starter in the playoffs anyway.
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  Speaker 5: You might as well start the transition now.
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  Speaker 2: Um, Yeah, that's it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. I think it's a great argument. I
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  Speaker 1: think Bryce is pitching like he deserves a demotion to
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  Speaker 1: the bullpen right now. And if he's not 100% healthy,
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  Speaker 1: all the more reason to do it. Here's what I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to push back a little bit on. Why do
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  Speaker 1: we have to then just say Bryce goes from, okay,
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  Speaker 1: he can't get through six right now, but we automatically
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  Speaker 1: say he's only going to pitch one. We don't have
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  Speaker 1: a long reliever. I don't know if Jerry and Justin
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  Speaker 1: are allergic to a long reliever, but long relievers have
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  Speaker 1: been around forever. Cubs used one in Aaron Savali in
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  Speaker 1: the game that they beat us. I mean, every team,
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  Speaker 1: I think, should have a long reliever, a guy just
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  Speaker 1: in case can chew up some innings for you. We
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  Speaker 1: could have used one yesterday. Woo was done after four. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: we're using Spire and Bizzardo down six runs where we
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  Speaker 1: could have used our long reliever. What's wrong with Bryce Miller, Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: going three innings of relief? Because it looks like what
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  Speaker 1: he's doing is breaking down like in the fourth and beyond.
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  Speaker 1: That's when he tends to break down. And that's pretty
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  Speaker 1: much a piggyback. It's just not. You haven't married to
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  Speaker 1: it before the game started.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Right? But you are. I mean, every one of our
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  Speaker 1: starting pitchers right now, with the exception of George in
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  Speaker 1: his last outing, is having trouble getting through the sixth.
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  Speaker 1: Every single one. Even Logan is having trouble getting to
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  Speaker 1: the sixth inning right now. What is wrong with having
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  Speaker 1: Bryce Miller throw for three innings of relief? I trust
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  Speaker 1: him for three innings of relief. And yeah, he can
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  Speaker 1: let it rip like the caller just suggested. He can
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  Speaker 1: let it rip for three innings. He doesn't have to
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  Speaker 1: worry about pacing himself. But he's certainly stretched out far
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  Speaker 1: enough that you don't have to go from you're a
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  Speaker 1: starter to now you're just a one-inning guy. We could
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  Speaker 1: use a two, three, four-inning guy out of our pen
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  Speaker 1: for games like yesterday or other games in which we've
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  Speaker 1: got a bit of a lead. The starter's gone five.
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  Speaker 1: He's thrown 100 pitches. Bryce can go three and then
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  Speaker 1: hand it off to Munoz. That's kind of piggybacking. It's
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  Speaker 1: just not declaring it before the game starts.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I have no problem with that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we talked about that idea with Castillo before
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  Speaker 2: he got traded. Why couldn't he go be a long
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  Speaker 2: reliever and– And then eventually maybe you work him into
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  Speaker 2: high leverage situations down the line. But I don't hate
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  Speaker 2: that idea. I don't know why we seem to just
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  Speaker 2: be so regimented on everything involving our bullpen.
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  Speaker 3: It is one inning.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we've at least now allowed someone to go
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  Speaker 2: out for one batter and then come back the next inning.
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  Speaker 3: But even that took forever to get done.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't quite understand why we're so averse to
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  Speaker 2: To that idea, it's, I mean, that's, yeah, that's basically,
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  Speaker 2: as you said, what piggyback is.
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  Speaker 3: So why would we not consider that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mind having somebody that could be, because
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  Speaker 1: usually long relievers are guys that are just chewing up innings.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a great idea to have a long
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  Speaker 1: reliever that can go three innings with a one or
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  Speaker 1: two run lead. that you trust. I mean, what's wrong
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  Speaker 1: with that? He's already stretched out, but he's obviously struggling
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  Speaker 1: once he gets to the fourth and fifth inning with something,
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  Speaker 1: some sort of injury or conditioning issue. I mean, Bryce
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  Speaker 1: Miller is red-faced and sweating in the fourth inning of
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  Speaker 1: every single game he's pitching here as of late. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's the role. All right, what else we got?
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  Speaker 3: All right, we got some texts here.
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  Speaker 2: So from the 206 regarding the piggyback, Just don't call
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  Speaker 2: it a piggyback.
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  Speaker 3: Put a starter in the bullpen. Allow the manager to
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  Speaker 3: determine when the starter is done. And then expect three
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  Speaker 3: plus innings of relief.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of what I just said. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I just thought that was funny because that's
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  Speaker 2: what they thought as well.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I also like the argument of just don't call
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  Speaker 1: it a piggyback. Even if that argument would have ended
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  Speaker 1: right there.
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  Speaker 3: That's what so many people.
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  Speaker 1: Were so mad about. Yeah, they can't stand the word.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I'm happy with that. I
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  Speaker 1: don't care. I'm not married to the phrase... It's just
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  Speaker 1: what people know. So that's why we refer to it,
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  Speaker 1: because if I started calling it a nut cluster, well,
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  Speaker 1: you'd probably be lost. What's a nut cluster?
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  Speaker 3: What's a nut cluster? Then you have to explain it
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  Speaker 3: every time.
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  Speaker 2: It is interesting, though, because we have a lot, like
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  Speaker 2: from the 206, why can't we have someone in the
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  Speaker 2: bullpen for a long relief? Bryce would be a great
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  Speaker 2: long reliever also from the 206.
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  Speaker 3: So lots of people in that same kind of boat.
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  Speaker 2: We've also got from the 4-2-5, I want it back,
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: but only with Cade and Miller, and only Miller out
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: of the pen. Same situation there with Miller out of
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: the pen, but that would be more regimented.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: That's another interesting thing to bring up is Cade Anderson,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: because a lot of us had a problem when he
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: was sent out for the sixth inning in his first start.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: He hasn't thrown more than five innings, hardly in any
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: start this year. Hasn't thrown more than 80 pitches, and yet...
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: in his first Major League game against one of the
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: best lineups in the sport with the top of the
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: order coming up. We're sending him out in the sixth,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: and sure enough, he gets pounded in the sixth inning,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: third time through the lineup of a great lineup. Right. And,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, we have conditioned him. It doesn't mean that
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: you're babying him. Yeah, at some point, you do have
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: to let it rip with Kate Anderson. But his first game,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: after you've conditioned him all season long to only throw
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: four or five innings... He's a perfect candidate to have somebody,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: and not necessarily, like I said, it's Anderson, Miller, and
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Munoz today. It doesn't have to be announced to the world,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: but if Kate Anderson's five innings is at 80 pitches,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: that's about as much as we can expect him to go.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe we cheated a little bit as we go, but
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: that could be the game where Bryce Miller comes in
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: for the sixth, seventh, and eighth for you, and I
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: think could be effective in that role.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: We have these two interesting texts from two different people,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: but I want to read them back to back.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: So Marcus says, I want it back. The sixth man,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: you lose a reliever.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: What's it back?
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: In the sixth man, you lose a reliever and the
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: piggyback helps the bullpen. Then from the 503. It leaves
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: our bullpen short, and it's saying to script games in advance,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: which I agree with that we just talked about, the
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: scripting games in advance. But how does it help our
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: bullpen and also leave our bullpen short, according to those
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: two texts?
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's actually just inaccurate. It should not
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: leave your bullpen short. If you are having difficulty, and
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Dan is, and I am emphasizing Dan. It's Dan. If
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: you are having trouble running out of relievers... than to theoretically,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: as you and I have discussed many times, once through
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: a five-man rotation, you get to give your bullpen pretty
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: much the night off.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: And your manager the night off.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, ideally, you're up three. Bryce Miller's just pitched
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: his third inning. You go into the ninth, and you're like,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: finish it out. Just go ahead and finish it out
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: at that stage. I mean, that's the ideal piggyback scenario,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: but I do want them to be able to adjust.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: If you're up one. And Bryce isn't used to closing
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: out games and put traffic on the previous inning and
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: barely got out of it. I want to go to
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Munoz in the ninth inning. And you should be able
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: to call that audible in the middle of a game.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, again, you have to have some flexibility with it.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: This one from the 206, I don't know that I
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: agree with this, but I'm intrigued to hear what you
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: have to say. Piggyback is not good because the pitchers
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: don't like it, so they don't adjust to it as athletes.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: But they were both good. Exactly. Both Castillo and Miller
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: were effective. Yeah. they were their most effective the entire
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: season when they were doing that. Bryce was very frustrated.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Castillo was very frustrated, but they channeled that frustration into
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: effective pitching. Yeah. But the things that they did not
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: foresee that could be issues and shame on both Jerry,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Justin and Dan for not foreseeing that these could be
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: issues because they weren't exactly out of nowhere. Right. Like, yeah,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: your pitcher's going to get pissed if he's on a
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: roll through five innings and you take him out of
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: the game or your pitcher's going to get pissed if
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: you let the other guy go through the seventh, but
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you're through five and now you're taking me out. You
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: let Bryce go six or seven the last time. Why
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: am I? I'm on a roll right now, too.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: That's the stuff that they did not account for somehow,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: some way. And shame on the entire organization for that.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: We're going to go back to back text again here.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: This is interesting to me again. We've got 206. No
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: more piggyback because the manager and staff in charge don't
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: know how to run a piggyback rotation. And from the 253,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: the number one reason not to do it is Dan Wilson.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: He can't adjust on the fly and has to stick
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: to a predetermined plan. But that's what the piggyback is,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: as it is right now.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: You're right. You're right. Right? Hey, I think that's probably
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a really good argument. I mean, based off of what
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I've said about Dan for the last two and a
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: half years, I'm obviously not going to dispute that. I
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: don't know if he can manage on the fly.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, it seems absurd to say that about a
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: major league manager. But I don't know if he can
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: manage on the fly. I mean, he doesn't have to offensively.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: We don't do anything anymore. We're just green lights to
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: everybody in the batter's box, on the base paths. That's
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: what he does offensively. And pitching-wise, I've had problems with
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the way that he's managed his bullpen since he started
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: two and a half years ago. So I'm not going
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: to argue that. You might be right. He might not
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: be able to adjust to anything other than, no, no, no, Jerry,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you told me piggyback five and four. That's what I did.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: And that's what I was going to say.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: But if you're keeping to that plan of the starter
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: goes this and the reliever goes this, Then the piggyback's
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: great for him. But if you are wanting to bring
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: in the adjustments like we talked about, then it would
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: be a bad idea.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I'm going to close with this. And thank you for
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: the feedback. It was even more than I thought. Otherwise,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I'd have saved more time for more of your excellent
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: feedback here today. But I want to say this, like,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: because I'm going to place some blame on Jerry for
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: this situation, obviously. As I said, I think this could
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: be an effective tool. I think there's even a possibility
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: this could be the future of baseball. We might see
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: just a lot more starting pitchers being used, but designated
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: to go just four innings at a time coming out
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: of the bullpen. We might see this start a trend.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I really do believe that in the future. This is
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: what I've always, this has been my biggest criticism of
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Jerry DiPoto. And people know that I like Jerry DiPoto.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: He's always doing his Oprah Winfrey interview about what a
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: genius he is before having accomplished something genius. He already
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: has thought, I'm going to be a pioneer with this thing.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Without ironing out the details. Without ironing out the wrinkles here.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, this was a very creative idea that had
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: some merits to it. But for them to have been
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: blindsided about stuff that they should have seen was coming
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: by doing this shows you that they were more interested
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: in changing the game than they were about introducing a
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: winning formula to the baseball team this year. Who desperately
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: needed it at the time. And it threw them off.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: It threw them off of... whatever track that they were on,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: because you ended up pissing off people and people didn't
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: understand what was going on and what are our roles.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Even the fan base was pissed off about something that
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: for the most part worked in a lot of ways,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: but the ways that it didn't work could have been
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: avoided and you didn't think through it as an organization.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: That would be my main argument against the piggyback.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Is that fair? Is that the fairest of them all?
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I think that is fair.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Is it the fairest of them all?
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I looked at all the arguments. It is the
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: fairest of them all. Well done, sir.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Mission accomplished.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: We got a lot to discuss with the National Football League.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: We'll do it next. Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM. Hey,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: great morning to you. It is Chuck and Ashley back
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: together here on this Thursday morning. Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: A lot of ground to cover. Just some breaking news.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Leonard Williams will get into it at 9 o'clock here
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: this morning. A little further, he signed an extension three years,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: $ 30 million. Another player, core player, the Seahawks identify to
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: keep in their championship window no matter the cost. And
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: so we'll talk about that at nine o'clock. I do
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: agree with it, by the way. But at some point
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: you do run out of the opportunity to keep doing that.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Somebody gets squeezed out because of the cap.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: That's my worry is who's going to be the one
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: that gets squeezed out.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Who doesn't make the 30 million dollar club cut,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you know, at some point down the line. But we'll
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: talk more about that coming up at nine o'clock. There
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: are some other things to discuss in the National Football
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: League that we really haven't dove into yet today. Number one,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: they are eliminating the Pro Bowl. It is now going
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: to be a relic of the past. The National Football
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: League has decided that's it. We're still going to honor
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl players, which they should, and hell, you can
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: still call them Pro Bowlers if you want. Why not?
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Even though they're not playing in a Pro Bowl game,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: what does it matter? When you really step back from it,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: it's kind of silly to call the biggest sporting event
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: in the world the Super Bowl. Isn't that kind of silly?
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: The Super Bowl? When you really think about the name,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: it was named after a Super Bowl.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, that's dumb.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right? I mean, it is kind of a silly name,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: but we're just so used to it that we can't
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: think of it in any other way.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking. I couldn't think of what
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: I would rather call it.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't want to call it anything else.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: It's the Super Bowl. It's ingrained in us. I mean,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: it's kind of strange to have two teams in baseball
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: named after socks.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Well, that is, yeah.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: But it's part of tradition now, and so I don't
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: want them ever being. to be named anything else than
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the Red Sox and White Sox. What great names. I
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: love those names.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Very classic.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Phenomenal names. But when you step back from it, you're like, really?
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: You're named after socks?
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: So basically you had White Sox on and you had,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: which are actually Black Sox, and you had Red Sox.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: So even though they're not going to play in a
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, we can still call them Pro Bowlers. There's
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: some cachet that, uh, that goes with it, but thank goodness. Um,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I'm done with the attempts at trying to salvage this
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: game that nobody wants to play in. Uh, I would
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: say the same thing about the NBA all-star game, even
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: though it gets, I even, I know they want to
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: have the all-star week weekend because it's a chance to
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: be glitz and glamor and red carpet and all the
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: stars in one city. And I think they're going to
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: be doing it in Las Vegas almost every single year
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: going forward. So I think that they want to keep
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: it as an event, but I don't need the game.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I don't need the slam dunk contest. I don't need
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: the skills challenge, watching point guards half-ass it through a
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: few obstacles. I don't need any of it. It's worthless.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Now, the baseball all-star game, I still think, has value.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: But even that, if I'm Rob Manfred, I'm figuring out
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: why so many people are tapping out of the game.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: If we're going to have it, play in it. Right.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, we have great home run derbies. We have
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: great home run derby participants every year. It's not like
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: the slam dunk contest. It's a great weekend. We put
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: the draft in there now and the all-star weekend. We
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: have all sorts of great activities, but the game itself,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: if we want to keep it, if we want to
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: keep it special. then the players have to play. We
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: can't change the roster by 50% every year.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Well, and that's the thing is so many people get annoyed. Like,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: for example, with Russell Wilson.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Well, was he really a 10-time Pro Bowler?
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: No, because he was an alternate on some of those.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Most of them. Right.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: But he's the kind of guy that's going to say, yes,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: every time I'm going to play it. So be mad
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: at the people that dropped out. And granted, obviously, there's
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: certain people that can't play in it because they're in
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Shadur Sanders played in the Pro.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Bowl last year.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's ridiculous. That makes it a joke. More of
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: a joke than it was.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: He was terrible last year. That's not a shot at Shador.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that he's showing some signs and
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: looks like he's got a chance. Yeah. But he was
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: terrible last year.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Shouldn't be playing in something called a Pro Bowl.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Not even on the same planet as something called the
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Right. And so it's just gotten so weak
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: and embarrassing that I credit the National Football League enough. Yeah.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Figure out another event. Yeah.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: You can't keep changing it over and over and over
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: because it just draws attention to the fact that nobody
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: takes it seriously.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted to point out in this
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: segment today as people, again, if I'm you, I don't
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: know why people have already had a fantasy football draft.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I have no idea why you do this.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: That's not smart.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Because we have a larger gap now between the end
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: of the preseason and the start of the regular season.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we have the Wednesday. But it used
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: to be just one week, and so not everybody could
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: shove it in, but we have a week and a
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: half between. the preseason ending this weekend and then when
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the opener on Wednesday. So you got a week and
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a half. You can't figure out a date after you
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: know all. of the injuries, or as many as you
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: possibly can. I mean, I'm pushing for KJR to have
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: it's the night before again.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: That's when I want it.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I can't do that because I already have one that
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I made on the night before.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. To me, that's the ideal time
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: is the night before the season because I want to
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: take into account every single injury out there that I can.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: And then the other thing, if you've already had your
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: draft that you might not have factored in that you
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: should have, that when cut day comes... Guess what else
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: comes on that day? Discipline day. The National Football League
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: is not going to rule until cut day on which
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: players are going to face suspensions for off-field activities. Puka
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Nakua has bite marks still in the rear end of
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: a girl somewhere in Los Angeles. He might be suspended
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: for a couple of games. I don't know how many,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: but just because you're allowed to play and you didn't
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: get arrested, the National Football League is taking more seriously
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: these types of things that embarrass the league, and they
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: punish people for it. Puka Nakua might get suspended to
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: start the season. Josh Jacobs from the Green Bay Packers
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: could get suspended to start the season. I mean, we're
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: waiting on Terry and Arnold for other reasons. And I
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: think there are a couple of others. I meant to
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: have them right here at the tips of my fingers.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: But there are some guys. Rasheed Rice is another one
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: that might not start the season. And obviously that could
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: impact who you're going to take in the draft. If
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: you're taking Puka Nakua with a top two pick, top
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: three pick in the NFL draft, I mean, you don't
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: want to start the season by him missing two games.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: So something to keep in mind. The National Football League
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: will hand out its discipline either on cut day or
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the day after cut day, something like, or the day
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: before cut day, so that it allows teams to adjust.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: It's sometime this weekend. The NFL is going to hand
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: out discipline, potentially, not saying anybody's going to get suspended,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: but potentially to people that they feel embarrassed the shield
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: this offseason. And Josh Jacobs was involved in a domestic
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: situation this Um, and obviously I've already detailed what Puka
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Nakua is guilty of. And so those guys might not
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: start the season. It might be one game, could be
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: four games. Nobody knows, but discipline day is going to
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: occur and it should occur before you actually hold your fantasies. drafts.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: No, I would agree.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: I think the only exception would be like somebody with
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: the Dynasty League. I could see why you maybe would
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: do it earlier, but at the same time, you still
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: haven't gotten to look at the rookies really and see
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: who's making the rosters unless you just are kind of,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: you don't have a large pool to choose from in
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the first place.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I would think you got 10 days to
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: figure out a time for a draft. I agree. Apparently,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: we're not going to be able to do ours on Tuesday.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Although I realize mine's not until 8.30.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: But it will be after Sunday.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: I realize mine's not until 8.30, so I could do
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  Speaker 3: it Earlier.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. You can do two in one day. I can.
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  Speaker 1: Two a days. All right. Coming up next here on
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  Speaker 1: the radio show, you know, we can't play the entire
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: interview or we're not going to play the entire interview.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I guess we could. But Softie and Dick had Jed
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Fish on out at Husky's camp yesterday. And it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like that the starting lineup is pretty much locked in
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  Speaker 1: at this point, 10 days shy of the Apple Cup.
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  Speaker 1: So if you can't play the entire fish from, gills
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: to fins, then we can at least play a little filet,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: a little fish filet. Yeah, a little chunk of fish.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, some sashimi.
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  Speaker 1: A bite of fish. Sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Fish nuggets.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll do that next. Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM. Yeah,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: but he probably gets sick of the fish jokes.
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  Speaker 3: I bet he loves fishing in the dark, though.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's a nice, relaxing thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: We're not sick of the fish jokes. That's why we
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: keep telling them.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, time for a little Filet-O-Fish here on the Chuck
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: in the Morning's radio program. A little fish nugget from
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: yesterday's conversation with Coach Fish. Uh, say David Softy Mahler
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  Speaker 1: and Richard L. Thane out at a Husky's camp. We're
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  Speaker 1: just 10 days away from the, uh, apple cup. And
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  Speaker 1: when we were there just a week ago, um, Ashley
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't know this. She didn't know what I was at
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  Speaker 1: Husky's camp.
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  Speaker 2: She was, I mean, I knew you were there cause
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  Speaker 2: I helped set it up, but I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: happened while you were there.
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  Speaker 1: And you didn't care.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, I was full Hawaii mode.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. And I don't blame you. Uh, but, um,
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Walters, I asked him about the depth chart, and
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: his answer was, there is no depth chart. No depth chart. Like,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: everybody's competing at all times. I don't have a depth chart.
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  Speaker 1: And then I said, what about Elenius Davis as he
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: walked by? And he goes, okay, he's a starter. He's
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  Speaker 1: the one. So I asked Coach Fish about it when
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  Speaker 1: he came on with us the following day, and he said,
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  Speaker 1: I have a depth chart. There are a lot of
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  Speaker 1: starters locked in. Yesterday, he pretty much told Softie and
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Fane that almost everything is locked in 10 days shy
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: of the start of the regular season. And it looks
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of freshmen are going to be starting
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  Speaker 1: on this football team during a season that's not a
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: rebuilding season. A season in which Coach Fish... And the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: entire program is expecting to at least compete for a
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: playoff spot this coming year. That means 9-3 at the worst.
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  Speaker 1: That's 10-2 is what's probably going to have to get
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: you into the playoffs. And he's going to be starting
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: not one, not two, like five, six freshmen on this
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: football team this year. Dick and Softy asked him yesterday about...
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: how different freshmen are that he could feel that comfortable
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  Speaker 1: starting so many of them to begin a year.
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  Speaker 4: I think the development that they're going through nowadays versus
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: back then is so unique. I mean, these guys are
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: playing football like all year round. They're not, you know,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: you barely rarely are you finding the three-sport athlete that
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: is every three and a half months picking up a
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  Speaker 4: different sport. The amount of football that's available to these kids,
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: the amount of guys that enroll early.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, there was zero of that, right?
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  Speaker 4: So now you've got all these kids coming in January.
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  Speaker 4: So my sophomores are really 18 months into college. My
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: freshmen are six months already. They're not one week or
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: one month in going to training camp. And we got to,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the guys are ready to play. We're going
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: to play the best players. We don't really discriminate on
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: age here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I love that. If those are the best players,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I hope you're not keeping them out because they got
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: to pay their dues. Right. You know, put them on there.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: And I hear a lot of those arguments. I do.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: And they sound reasonable. They're here longer. They are preparing
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: earlier in their lives to play big-time football than what
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: they did when we grew up. Freshmen had to learn
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: a few things once upon a time. They're pretty much schooled, Ashley,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: as to what to expect when they get to the
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: collegiate level. And Coach Fish is not going to hide
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: behind whether you're a first-year player. I don't even know
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: we can call them freshmen anymore. They're like first-year players,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: second-year players, third-year players. he's not going to hide behind that.
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  Speaker 1: Best guys are going to play. And it just turns
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: out we got a lot of freshmen that are apparently
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: the best guys.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and it makes sense that now in this day
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: and age where we're at least acknowledging that this is
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: a business, you're not coming there to really be a
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: student athlete. You are coming there to be an athlete.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: And then if you happen to be a student at
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: the same time, it's just a bonus, I suppose. But
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: just to play devil's advocate, I wonder if it worries
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Husky fans that, that many of your best players are
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: so young. Because I would be a little worried. Like, well,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: then what about the rest of the guys that we
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: had on the team before?
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I think you could hear it in Dick's voice last
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: night during the interview that he's a little bit worried
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: about starting that many freshmen. Almost this, could they all
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: possibly be ready to play? That sort of feeling, like, really?
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  Speaker 1: Six of them? Because that's about what we're looking at
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 2: And I do think that they could be ready to
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: play because of all those things that Coach Fish stated.
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  Speaker 3: I understand that.
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  Speaker 2: You're more prepared now because you're coming in and you're
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: trying to make money and you're doing all these things.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: But I just wonder, okay, so if six of them
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: are ready to start, then what was happening to our
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: team from last year? Why do we not have more
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: mature players that are more ready?
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: That's the exciting part of it because we do. We
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: do have more experience. I mean, Jed's going to have
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: more experience and more depth on this roster than he's
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: had in his short time here. Yeah. Just his third season.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: This is going to be the deepest team and most
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: experienced team that he will have coached here at Washington.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: It's just that all those freshmen are going out there
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  Speaker 1: on the practice field, both in the spring and now
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: in training camp, and are saying, no, we're the better players.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Ramzak Frujan.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Ramzak is a great name, by the way.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: It's a great name. I mean, I'm looking at our
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: lad's depth chart from at the beginning of training camp.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: They've got him third string. He's going to start. I mean,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and it's not just that they're going to start. Cody
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Green's playing left tackle as a true freshman. Derek Coleman-Brusa
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: is going to play defensive tackle and might be your
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: best pass rusher from day number one as a true freshman.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Dylan Robinson's hurt as a sophomore today. And Jaron Jones
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: has impressed people so much, he's going to start as
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: a freshman. Jet even answered the question about who's going
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: to end up being your starting running back because that's
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: been the big camp battle for the Huskies. He said
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: it last night, Quade Carr. Now, he's not a true freshman,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: but he did not play last year. He's a redshirt freshman.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Quade Carr looks like he's going to be the starter
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: for this team. Those are some big positions. Yeah, absolutely.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: That you're going to hand over to players without experience whatsoever.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: And yet, I think that's the part to get excited about.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Because I think he does have other options that are viable.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: But all the freshmen are the better players in his eyes.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: That's actually pretty exciting.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: No, it is exciting. Yeah, I just was, as I said,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: playing devil's advocate. Well, you might wonder too, like, well,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: how is it that these other guys couldn't... Take over
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: those positions.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, exciting that the freshmen did it.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: But to your point, you're going to have to go
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: 10-2 to make the playoffs.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot to put on freshmen.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Alabama lost three games last year, and they got in
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: and shouldn't have.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: But they got in.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Because they're Alabama.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Because they're Alabama.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: You're not going to get in because you're Washington.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: And so you're going to have to go 10-2. Yeah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: And that's going to be a Herculean task considering a
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Big Ten schedule that is up against you. So these
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: guys better be ready because there's no way that you
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: can kick a game early that you should have won
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: on paper. Now, you don't really, sorry Coug fans, face
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: a great team for a while or even a very
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: good team for a while that looks like they should
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: be able to beat you. So by the time that
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: you do, Cody Green should have four games, five games
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: under his belt. Derek Coleman-Bruce will have five games under
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: his belt. Five starts, not just games. Five starts, getting snaps, snaps, snaps, snaps.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: So at that point, I mean, I think people will
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: use the old cliche, well, they're not freshmen anymore. They
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: got five games under their belts. But on one hand, yes,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: it's a little like you suck wind between your teeth. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: How many starting freshmen and you're planning on going 10-2
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: this year? Or you think you can go 10-2? And
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: on the other hand, it's like, You think you can
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: go 10-2 with all of these freshmen. Oh, well, I've
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: got to see this.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It is intriguing, for sure.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: All right. Coming up next on the radio program, the
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: latest on Leonard Williams, Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.