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Steve Price | 11 September · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: Live, this is Steve Price.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 3: Steve Price with you this Friday night after another triumph
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  Speaker 3: for major events in Melbourne. 100,000 people that have sold
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  Speaker 3: out MCG for an NFL game. Melbourne and Victoria might
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  Speaker 3: be in a social and financial mess thanks to more
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  Speaker 3: than a decade of bad Labor government's but staging a
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  Speaker 3: big sport survives.
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  Speaker 2: More on that later.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what's coming up on the program tonight. I never
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  Speaker 3: thought dumb decisions by a dysfunctional Victorian government could surprise
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  Speaker 3: me anymore, but one taken yesterday beggars belief, and it
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  Speaker 3: involves actual beggars. Some do-gooder public servants, aided by some
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  Speaker 3: woke minister, decided it was a good idea... to decriminalise begging.
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  Speaker 3: This in a city overrun by drug-affected homeless people, or
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  Speaker 3: if you like, beggars. It has dumbfounded Melbourne's hospitality industry
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  Speaker 3: and we'll catch up with the hospitality industry shortly. Friday
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  Speaker 3: night regular and former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman's take on
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  Speaker 3: the One Nation Andrew Hastie stoush, with Hastie now accepting
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  Speaker 3: an apology from Barnaby Joyce over a cartoon use of
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  Speaker 3: the word traitor, plus news that Queensland's credit rating is
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  Speaker 3: about to be, or has in fact been, downgraded. Will
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  Speaker 3: Victoria be next? And this week marks 25 years since
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  Speaker 3: the terror attacks on New York City, Wash and Washington
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  Speaker 3: changed the world forever, killing more than 3,000 people and
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  Speaker 3: changing the modern world of travel. Forever, my recollections of
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  Speaker 3: that night coming up. This week also marks 20 years
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  Speaker 3: since we lost Peter Perfect, Peter Brock, killed in competing
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  Speaker 3: in a rally event in WA. We'll catch up with
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  Speaker 3: Paul Gover and talk about the great Brockie.
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  Speaker 2: But first.
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  Speaker 3: If you think it's been a bad week for the
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  Speaker 3: most popular political party in Australia today, One Nation, and
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  Speaker 3: it has, think about the sitting week just gone and
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  Speaker 3: what it has been like for the government, especially for
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  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister and his Treasurer, Jim Chalmers. In every
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  Speaker 3: second-term government, even one with the sort of thumping majority
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  Speaker 3: Labor has, it's that one big decision that comes back
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  Speaker 3: to haunt you. For this government, it's going to be
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  Speaker 3: that budget back in May and an overreach to try
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  Speaker 3: and convince Australians it, as in Labor, could only be
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  Speaker 3: trusted to help young people to get into their first house.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the obvious tactic was to paint Angus Taylor
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  Speaker 3: and the Liberals as some bunch of rich worker-hating, billionaire-loving
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  Speaker 3: boomers protecting the wealthy end of town types who didn't
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  Speaker 3: care about youngsters and the less wealthy getting a foothold
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  Speaker 3: in the property market. Now, it's nonsense, of course, and
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  Speaker 3: it has set this nation on a slippery slope of
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  Speaker 3: interest rate rises, a collapsing auction market and a collapse
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  Speaker 3: in the most valuable asset you will ever own, the
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  Speaker 3: ownership of your house. Now, it started with 5% government
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  Speaker 3: guaranteed deposits on first homes, not even means tested, and
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  Speaker 3: then came that budget and the attack on negative gearing
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  Speaker 3: and capital gains tax. So where does that leave us today? Well,
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  Speaker 3: last night I had real estate expert Tom Pannis on
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  Speaker 3: The Shari Show, and he explained what this is doing
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  Speaker 3: is making high-end houses, expensive houses, you know, eastern Sydney
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  Speaker 3: and Toorak, cheaper, but not cheap houses at the other
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  Speaker 3: end of the market.
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  Speaker 4: The price points that are the most impacted, Steve, are
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  Speaker 4: the higher price points, and they're between 15% and 20%.
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  Speaker 4: Other price points have gone down 5% to 10%. Now, ironically, ironically,
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  Speaker 4: the government said that they wanted to make it easier
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  Speaker 4: for first-home buyers. The one price point that we can
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  Speaker 4: say hasn't really changed too much has been that lower
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  Speaker 4: price point because cost of living has become so difficult. So, ironically,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how the government's done it. They somehow
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  Speaker 4: have put an architectural plan together that has not helped
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  Speaker 4: the group of people they wanted to help the most.
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  Speaker 4: In fact... Steve, 30% first home buyers lower this year
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  Speaker 4: than last year.
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  Speaker 3: So much common sense. And Tom told me the market
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  Speaker 3: is only going to go one way, and that's down. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the big banks are predicting possible drops in the value
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  Speaker 3: of your home of up to 20%, especially if you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about Sydney or Melbourne. I mean, compare that with
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  Speaker 3: what the Treasurer, Jim Chalmers, does he really have any
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  Speaker 3: idea what he's doing? And Treasury said after the budget,
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  Speaker 3: where they made the ridiculous statement that that if indeed rents,
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  Speaker 3: for example, were going to go up, it would only
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  Speaker 3: be by around $ 2 a week. Now, as Panos said
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  Speaker 3: last night, he has never met any landlord alive who
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  Speaker 3: only hikes rents by $ 2 a week. Indeed, today, major
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  Speaker 3: industry bodies, and I'm talking Real Estate Institute of Australia,
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  Speaker 3: the Master Builders Association and the Housing Industry Association in
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  Speaker 3: a fresh study reveal that Chalmers tax changes will, quote,
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  Speaker 3: will stunt housing construction, lower GDP by a billion dollars
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  Speaker 3: over four years and add rent increases of up to
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  Speaker 3: $ 10 a week, not two, to.
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  Speaker 2: Rents every week, every year for the next four years.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it gets worse.
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  Speaker 3: The report showed the Albanese government's ban on self-managed super
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  Speaker 3: funds to be able to borrow to invest in property.
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  Speaker 3: The negative gearing changes and the capital gains tax changes
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  Speaker 3: will lead to 10,700 fewer, not more, houses being built
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  Speaker 3: up to 2029, 2030. So how are we going, Jim?
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  Speaker 3: How are we going, Anthony? What about the useless housing minister,
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  Speaker 3: Claire O'Neill? How are you going, Claire?
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  Speaker 2: What a trio.
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  Speaker 3: In concert and single-handedly collapsing the real estate market without
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  Speaker 3: realising their claims of getting cheaper houses for younger voters.
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  Speaker 3: And they, all of them, are in denial. Here are
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  Speaker 3: a couple of examples just this week in Question Time
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  Speaker 3: from the PM and Claire O'Neill.
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  Speaker 5: Aussie property investors notched a record number of loans for
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  Speaker 5: the construction of new dwellings in the June quarter.
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  Speaker 6: ABS data....
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  Speaker 5: Shows an unprecedented 8,468 investors signed up to build a
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  Speaker 5: new home in the June quarter. 454 more than the
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  Speaker 5: previous record that was set in the previous three months.
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  Speaker 7: What I would say, Speaker, to the Parliament is that
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  Speaker 7: it's really important that we put what's happening in the
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  Speaker 7: property market at the moment in context. And I want
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  Speaker 7: to remind the Parliament that we have seen house price
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  Speaker 7: growth of 400% in the last 25 years. In fact,
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  Speaker 7: the member opposite asked me about Sydney house prices. He
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  Speaker 7: might like to remind himself that in the nine years
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  Speaker 7: those opposites were in power, house prices in Sydney almost doubled, Speaker,
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  Speaker 7: in nine years. We want home ownership to be able
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  Speaker 7: and a serious opportunity for young people around this country,
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  Speaker 7: no matter their income.
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  Speaker 3: Complete denial and no clue. And look, seriously, all of
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  Speaker 3: the experts are wrong and the politicians are right. Now,
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  Speaker 3: as the Australian newspaper reported today, under the headline, rent
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  Speaker 3: rises five times, Jim's claim, and quoting the four major
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  Speaker 3: housing outfits in the country, and as building firm after
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  Speaker 3: building firm collapses, costing hundreds of tradie jobs, the people
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  Speaker 3: in charge continue to live in a dream world. OK,
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  Speaker 3: I want to go to this issue that broke late
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  Speaker 3: last night where the state of Victoria, or more likely Melbourne,
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  Speaker 3: has voted to decriminalise begging, of all things.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's extraordinary.
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  Speaker 3: The hospitality industry says that this move will make Melbourne's
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  Speaker 3: already struggling CBD, and boy, does it struggle, even less
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  Speaker 3: attractive to workers, diners and businesses. Restaurants and cafes are
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  Speaker 3: warning they're already under enormous pressure, with many CBD operators
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  Speaker 3: saying even considering closing or not renewing their leases. Australian
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  Speaker 3: Restaurant and Cafe Association CEO Wes Lambert joins us.
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  Speaker 2: Wes, good to see you again.
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  Speaker 3: Anyone who visits the CBD or places like Chapel Street
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  Speaker 3: know we've got a homeless problem, we've got a street
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  Speaker 3: drug problem, and that brings begging. What's the point of
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  Speaker 3: what seems to be encouragement for more people to be
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  Speaker 3: on the street begging?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, look, it beggars belief.
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  Speaker 8: We don't understand why the city of Melbourne has decided
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  Speaker 8: to legalize, basically, vagrancy and allowing people to beg and
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  Speaker 8: ask people for money. The police will not be able
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  Speaker 8: to ask people to move along.
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  Speaker 9: It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 8: Melbourne is already suffering a one in eight closure rate
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  Speaker 8: for restaurants and cafes, according to Creditor Watch, and we
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  Speaker 8: expect it's only going to get worse.
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  Speaker 3: Well, this smacks west of, I mean, we both remember
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  Speaker 3: when they decriminalised the act of public drunkenness and the
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  Speaker 3: problems that that caused. You make an excellent point that
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  Speaker 3: if you decriminalise begging, then the police just go, well,
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  Speaker 3: there's nothing we can do. If this beggar's out in
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  Speaker 3: the street in front of someone's shop causing trouble.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we can't do anything. We're not even allowed to
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  Speaker 2: arrest them.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, look, the lefty protesters are going to cotton on
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  Speaker 8: to this pretty quickly, and they're going to hold out
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  Speaker 8: their hat any time that they're protesting around the streets
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  Speaker 8: of Melbourne and go, oh, sorry, police, you can't bother us.
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  Speaker 8: We're begging. We're asking for money while we're marching down
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  Speaker 8: the street. And with Victoria being the crime center of Australia,
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  Speaker 8: with alarming rates of robbery and car theft and violent crime,
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  Speaker 8: we don't understand why the city of Melbourne and even
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  Speaker 8: the state would ever consider decriminalizing anything, especially being able
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  Speaker 8: to harass diners, restaurant owners and the workers that go
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  Speaker 8: work in hospitality businesses.
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  Speaker 3: I mentioned this before, Wes, there's a 7-Eleven near where
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  Speaker 3: I live on Chapel Street, corner of High Street. There's
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  Speaker 3: a homeless stroke beggar person there. He has a hat
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  Speaker 3: out to beg. But there has been violence around that
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  Speaker 3: person and the poor young woman inside the 7-Eleven has
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  Speaker 3: to lock the door and you have to bang on
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  Speaker 3: it to go inside and buy a newspaper. That's just
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  Speaker 3: one simple example of how it's affecting retail.
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  Speaker 8: Well, look, with the recent fire bombings around the illicit
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  Speaker 8: tobacco in Victoria and Melbourne specifically, look, the police should
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  Speaker 8: not have to deal with more and more lawlessness in
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  Speaker 8: the streets of Melbourne. It's as if the mayor of
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  Speaker 8: Melbourne and the city council and the state of Victoria
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  Speaker 8: are just looking for more and more problems. I can
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  Speaker 8: tell you that the hospitality industry eventually will say enough
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  Speaker 8: is enough and call it quits. and Melbourne will not
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  Speaker 8: be the food capital of Australia for much longer.
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  Speaker 3: I know other states have gone down this track, and
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  Speaker 3: I've heard today that Brisbane, I think, has begging no-go zones,
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  Speaker 3: presumably in the centre of the city of Brisbane. As
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  Speaker 3: a sort of minor compromise, would that satisfy some of
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  Speaker 3: your members who are running food and coffee operations in
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  Speaker 3: the CBD?
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  Speaker 8: Oh, look, any lawlessness is unacceptable. But as a stopgap,
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  Speaker 8: as a compromise, no-go zones around the Melbourne CBD would
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  Speaker 8: be preferable to a free-for-all.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked a lot post-COVID. Tell me about, and I
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  Speaker 3: want to ask you about work from home in a moment,
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  Speaker 3: but tell me about the state of the CBD in
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  Speaker 3: terms of hospitality retail right now.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, look, the industry has been doing it very tough
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  Speaker 8: in 2026, and we said it would do so. So
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  Speaker 8: the minimum wage is up at record levels, and businesses
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  Speaker 8: have had to deal with that. The ABS has said
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  Speaker 8: that menu prices are up 4.5% year over year, which
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  Speaker 8: is way over the trim mean and basic inflation. We
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  Speaker 8: have the surcharge ban coming on the 1st of October,
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  Speaker 8: the end of junior rates coming in December, and the
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  Speaker 8: entire migration debacle with Home Affairs basically overnight changing all
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  Speaker 8: the migration settings without an announcement. That is truly going
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  Speaker 8: to send the hospitality industry into a tailspin as we
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  Speaker 8: go into the spring and summer season.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk to you about immigration in
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  Speaker 3: a moment. Let's first talk about work from home. One
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  Speaker 3: of the big problems that we saw post-COVID was the
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  Speaker 3: fact that the centre of Melbourne's CBD, like a lot
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  Speaker 3: of other capital cities around the country, has been hollowed out.
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  Speaker 3: And there's, you know, office towers, floors and floors and
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  Speaker 3: floors of office towers that are just empty most of
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  Speaker 3: the time. The work from home laws were going to
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  Speaker 3: make it that you could say to an employer, OK,
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  Speaker 3: I'm working from home two days a week, there's nothing
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  Speaker 3: you can do about it, the government has mandated it.
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  Speaker 3: Are you hopeful that those laws will disappear either through
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  Speaker 3: objection to the legislation this week or a change of government?
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  Speaker 8: Oh, look, now that that proposed legislation is in committee,
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  Speaker 8: we hope and expect that it will die there. Ultimately,
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  Speaker 8: the Premier would have to call Parliament back to sit
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  Speaker 8: to just pass that legislation. We do not think he's
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  Speaker 8: crazy enough to do so. And if he does, it
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  Speaker 8: will face fierce opposition. And we think that a hopefully
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  Speaker 8: coming change of government will certainly lead to any work
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  Speaker 8: from home legislation being repealed, as well as all of
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  Speaker 8: the roiding that has continued in Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: How worried are you about this debate about student immigration
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  Speaker 3: and backpacker immigration numbers being cut, given that the industry
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  Speaker 3: that you represent rely heavily on casual staff who are
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  Speaker 3: you know, here on a holiday, travelling around Australia. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of cafes are staffed by foreign workers, aren't they?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, we're part of a wider coalition that includes ACCI
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  Speaker 8: and Tourism Transport Forum and others, the National Farmers Federation,
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  Speaker 8: that says don't turn off the tap. Working holidaymakers, especially
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  Speaker 8: in the spring and summer picking season and hospitality season
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  Speaker 8: and retail season, are a part of the Australian workforce.
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  Speaker 8: And the Home Affairs Minister turning off the tap arbitrarily
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  Speaker 8: and ending working holidaymaker visas for 462 capped countries, beggars belief.
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  Speaker 8: We can't understand why the minister has decided to do
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  Speaker 8: it at this time. We understand that the NOM needs
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  Speaker 8: to go down. That is not debated. But we need
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  Speaker 8: better settings and not push-pull and basically untested policy that
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  Speaker 8: is literally going to send the hospitality, the agriculture and
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  Speaker 8: the retail segments into a tailspin. We rely on tens
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  Speaker 8: of thousands of working holidaymakers to fill the open jobs
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  Speaker 8: during the spring and summer seasons. And this year, they're
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  Speaker 8: just not going to be there on the back of
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  Speaker 8: a decrease in international students. And what we now understand
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  Speaker 8: is a stop to processing offshore skilled migrants in hospitality,
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  Speaker 8: a slowdown in processing onshore skilled migrant applications. and an
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  Speaker 8: all but ending to the 407 training visa program.
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  Speaker 3: You'd have to have a passion to be in hospitality.
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  Speaker 3: Wes Lambert, good to catch up with you again.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks a lot.
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  Speaker 8: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, as I said at the.
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  Speaker 3: Beginning of the program, Melbourne has done it again today,
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  Speaker 3: a major event at the MCG, the NFL, the 49ers
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  Speaker 3: versus the LA Rams. Not much of a game, but
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  Speaker 3: what an event. 100,000, but it's actually 100,021.
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  Speaker 2: That's a crowd on.
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  Speaker 3: A Friday morning, most of them getting there between 7
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  Speaker 3: and 9am. And you add this event to things like
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  Speaker 3: the Grand Prix in Melbourne, the Australian Open, Tennis, two
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  Speaker 3: weeks of that, the Boxing Day Test, Melbourne Cup, I
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  Speaker 3: can go on and on. It amazes me, given how
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  Speaker 3: bad the state government is in Victoria, that these events
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  Speaker 3: are still so popular. We learnt today, this game, this event,
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  Speaker 3: this spectacle, was 15 years in the making. It cost
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  Speaker 3: taxpayers of Victoria $ 15 million. You want something like that,
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  Speaker 3: you have to pay for it. And Melbourne has signed
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  Speaker 3: up for at least one, if not two more, over
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  Speaker 3: the next four years. Brisbane apparently has put their hand up.
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  Speaker 3: The only problem for them, and I'll talk to Campbell
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  Speaker 3: Newman about that later, they don't have a stadium that
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  Speaker 3: can seat 100,000 people.
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  Speaker 2: Only Melbourne has that.
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  Speaker 3: Now, someone who knows a lot about putting on a show,
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  Speaker 3: the creative force behind the Sydney 2000 Olympic Games ceremonies,
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  Speaker 3: the founder of DAE Global, David Atkins, joins me now.
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  Speaker 2: David?
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  Speaker 6: Welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Homebush in 2000 did hold that number, didn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Because it had those two structures.
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  Speaker 10: At each end.
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  Speaker 2: 110,000.
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  Speaker 10: It still remains the largest Olympic stadium, largest capacity of
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  Speaker 10: any Olympic Games.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we've forgotten that they were there. They whipped
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  Speaker 3: them off a couple of months later. And Homebush probably,
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  Speaker 3: when I go out there now, you feel it needs
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  Speaker 3: a bit of a zhoosh.
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  Speaker 2: It needs a bit of a reno, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 10: Well, it still gets great visitation and there's lots of
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  Speaker 10: great facilities out there, whether it's the pool or the
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  Speaker 10: indoor arena. There's plenty of great facilities that are the
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  Speaker 10: legacy of the game. So, you know, it's never going
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  Speaker 10: to have the impact that it had at games time
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  Speaker 10: because there was so many people and there was so
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  Speaker 10: much happening, but it's still a fairly active space and
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  Speaker 10: it's certainly benefited from the games.
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  Speaker 2: Can't believe it, 26 years ago. Makes me feel old. Again,
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  Speaker 2: it makes you feel old as well. It does.
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  Speaker 3: The NFL today, I sat down and watched it all.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't go, but I sat and watched it. It
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  Speaker 3: looked great. I mean, what's the strategy here? What is
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  Speaker 3: the NFL actually trying to do to expand its audience?
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure it's not trying to get the game to
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  Speaker 3: be taken up to be played here. It's a global event,
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  Speaker 3: I guess.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think the strategy is to expand their market globally.
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  Speaker 10: I know they've got plans of taking it to other
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  Speaker 10: capital cities around the world. They're pretty saturated probably at
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  Speaker 10: home in their domestic market and now with streaming and
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  Speaker 10: all the other ways people can consume sport. And today
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  Speaker 10: is evidence of that, you know, 100,000 plus people in
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  Speaker 10: Melbourne seeing a game that most people, I guess, you know,
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  Speaker 10: in the last 10 years have been asked about, would
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  Speaker 10: they go to? You'd go, what is that? What's NFL?
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  Speaker 10: You know, so I think it's an interesting indication of
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  Speaker 10: where things can go. And I'm sure they're going to
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  Speaker 10: exploit that around the world.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an hour-long game, but it takes a hell
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: of a lot longer because of what's all around it
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: and the teams moving on and off the field. But
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: the entertainment around it, I wanted to get your expertise
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: on that. I mean, you have said, I think, that
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: this is a sign of where sport is actually heading
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: with younger audiences increasingly expecting not the game, just the
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: game on the field, but they want exciting entertainment, technology
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: and all of the things that AI can bring to it.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's true.
• 19:35
  Speaker 10: I mean, I think audiences, as you say, you know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 10: that game's an hour. A game of AFL or NRL
• 19:41
  Speaker 10: is somewhat longer. When you spend and dedicate your time
• 19:44
  Speaker 10: to going to one of those events, I think audiences
• 19:47
  Speaker 10: now expect and have had more than just the game.
• 19:50
  Speaker 10: And I think as you're trying to increase your footprint,
• 19:52
  Speaker 10: increase your market, I think Melbourne did a great job
• 19:55
  Speaker 10: at marketing this to get that result. And I think
• 19:57
  Speaker 10: all of the codes want a bigger audience share. And
• 20:00
  Speaker 10: the way to do that, you know, is to increase
• 20:03
  Speaker 10: the value of the event itself. And that can be
• 20:06
  Speaker 10: done through entertainment, special effects, a whole range of different things.
• 20:08
  Speaker 10: I thought today, as you said at the start, I
• 20:10
  Speaker 10: thought that was a spectacle and I thought it looked amazing.
• 20:13
  Speaker 10: Having said that, it's not something new. We see that
• 20:17
  Speaker 10: at NFL, sorry, at NRL and AFL grand finals every year.
• 20:22
  Speaker 10: So it wasn't anything we hadn't seen before, but it
• 20:25
  Speaker 10: was really well done.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: You're talking to an old boomer, so I'm not really
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: a great fan of the loud music after AFL goals,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: but I understand that's what the young people want.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: But have a look at this. This was 121... 100,021
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: at one moment, all singing Sweet Caroline. Have a look
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: at this.
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: MUSIC PLAYS We had Daryl singing horses. I had goosebumps
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: when that was on. It was amazing.
• 21:02
  Speaker 10: Yeah, the Power of Neil Diamond, it's fantastic. I mean,
• 21:04
  Speaker 10: that's a show that's coming out and I'm sure it's
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: going to do extremely well. And that's the other opportunity
• 21:08
  Speaker 10: to sort of the cross-marketing of various other events and
• 21:13
  Speaker 10: other things, particularly Australian artists there today. I thought Cody
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: did a brilliant job, a really classy job of the anthem.
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: I thought the Welcome to Country by Aunty Joy was
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: fantastic and I loved the fact that the Americans were
• 21:24
  Speaker 10: completely befuddled by it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I thought that was great.
• 21:27
  Speaker 10: They had no idea what was going on.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Sitting over there in New York going, why is this
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: woman lighting leaves?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 21:36
  Speaker 10: What's going on here? A lesson they could learn, I guess.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I wasn't a huge fan of the halftime performance by
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: the Jonas brothers, but I'm not being unkind to them.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I want to get into a slightly controversial area here
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: because I think that sort of thing works better in
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: the dark, which is why I am a fan of
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: the AFL grand final actually being played at night.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Yep. And you're not wrong. You're the expert. Yeah, no, absolutely.
• 22:01
  Speaker 10: Look, the thing is everything that happened there today would
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: have been enhanced under the cover of darkness. There's no
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: question about it. I mean, The fireworks, the lighting, all
• 22:10
  Speaker 10: those things, you know, you lose that in a daytime show.
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: Having said that, they did a great job with the
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: daytime show. It's the same with the FIFA, the FIFA
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: World Cup. It opens in daylight.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: It's tough.
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: But again, I guess the thing today was that they
• 22:23
  Speaker 10: were marketing it to an American evening audience watching football
• 22:26
  Speaker 10: at night at home. And that was the time change
• 22:29
  Speaker 10: difference and why it was done when it was. And
• 22:31
  Speaker 10: I think that's smart. I think that's the way to
• 22:33
  Speaker 10: capture both sides of the Pacific.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: We've got Brisbane 2032 coming up. I mean, I think
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Brisbane 2032's biggest challenge, and I'm saying this genuinely, is
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: to do it better than what you did 26 years ago.
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: Well, yes, I have to be really humble about that.
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: I'm sure they'll stand admirably on our shoulders and take
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: it to the next level. If you look back at
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: 56 to 2000, that was a huge jump. And I'm
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: sure that Brisbane will take it to the next level.
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: I have no doubt of that.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: David Atkins, great to catch up. You are a genius,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: my friend. Thank you very much for joining us tonight.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Steve. On Friday night.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Remember that opening ceremony in Sydney and the closing ceremony.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Don't forget the closing ceremony. Alright, coming up after the break,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: more on that showdown between Andrew Hastie and Pauline Hanson
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: in a weaker drama for the minor party, but will
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: it deter voters?
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: That's up next.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on Friday night. Coming up, we'll
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: take a look back at the life of Peter Brock.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: This week marks 20 years since we lost the motor
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: racing legend. Just an extraordinary man he was, so talented. Now, though,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: to the political spat of the week, and I don't
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: need to tell you what that is, with the West
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Australian Coalition MP Andrew Hastie, who you'd have to say
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: is a potential future Liberal leader, launching an extraordinary attack
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: on One Nation and, in particular, the leader Pauline Hanson.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Hitting back, have a look at what happened this week.
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: Well, I would say that Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joyce
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: are lying cowards.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: And I'll say it again so there's no ambiguity, they
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: are lying cowards.
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: Actually, it wasn't even over Ben Robert Smith because when
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: he actually told his constituency... that he would vote against
• 24:24
  Speaker 11: the Labor Party's hate speech laws and then he did
• 24:29
  Speaker 11: end up voting with it. That's when people on his
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: own page called him a traitor for that because he
• 24:37
  Speaker 11: vowed that he wasn't going to support it and he did.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Well, today the RSL has slammed Pauline Hanson saying the
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: comments were an insult to veterans. Let's bring in former
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Queensland Premier and a veteran himself, Friday Night Regular, Campbell Newman.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: What have you made of what's unfolded this week?
• 24:58
  Speaker 12: Steve, firstly, you just wish all of them would turn
• 25:01
  Speaker 12: to fighting the very bad Australian Labor Party government that
• 25:05
  Speaker 12: we have, and that's really where all their energy should
• 25:08
  Speaker 12: be directed. Just to correct one thing, Steve, I certainly
• 25:12
  Speaker 12: wore the uniform for 13 years, but I was lucky
• 25:16
  Speaker 12: enough to never have to go on active service. My
• 25:19
  Speaker 12: late father was a veteran. And the point I'd also
• 25:22
  Speaker 12: made is when he was a federal minister, his service
• 25:27
  Speaker 12: in Vietnam and Malaya didn't prevent people on the Labor
• 25:30
  Speaker 12: Party side having a go at him.
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: Didn't insulate him from criticism.
• 25:35
  Speaker 12: And when I was Lord Mayor and Premier, my military
• 25:37
  Speaker 12: service was actually used by people in the other side
• 25:41
  Speaker 12: of the political fence.
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: So my point is this. Just because... Hastie.
• 25:47
  Speaker 12: Was serving overseas, just because he's a veteran, doesn't insulate.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: Him from criticism.
• 25:54
  Speaker 12: He should take a deep breath and move on. The
• 25:57
  Speaker 12: RSL should not have had a go at Hanson as well.
• 26:01
  Speaker 12: I think her point is well made. He did betray
• 26:05
  Speaker 12: people when he... voted for legislation he said he would oppose. So, Steve,
• 26:11
  Speaker 12: there's a lot in this, but I just wish they'd
• 26:13
  Speaker 12: get on and fight the Labor Party. That's where the
• 26:16
  Speaker 12: real fight has to be.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: I think, from my point of view, I think the
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: word traitor is what's caused this to be such an
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: emotional argument. I mean, yes, it's a cartoon series called
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Please Explain, And it's been up for some time. And
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I'm sure in the background there is a motivation by
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Andrew Hastie to be seen to be hitting back because
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: he's got in his own seat a challenge at the
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: next federal election because part of that secret harbour that
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: fell to One Nation is in his seat of canning.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: So, you know, he's not completely innocent. But I agree
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: with you. I would just like to pull the cartoon down. Pauline.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: can say, look, I'm not apologising, but the cartoon's gone.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Let's turn our attention to One Nation and the polling.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Our polling, the latest News 24 Pulse polling, has got
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: One Nation back in the lead and noting the Warren
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Pickering scandal that played out this week. Do you think
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: either of those things are going to impact on the
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: number of people who've turned to One Nation?
• 27:23
  Speaker 12: Steve, I don't in the medium term, for sure. There
• 27:27
  Speaker 12: might be a little bit of a dip in a poll, say,
• 27:30
  Speaker 12: in the next few weeks about the events of the
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: last week or so.
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: But, no, I don't think it will impact them.
• 27:38
  Speaker 12: In fact, in relation to Pickering, I think that for many,
• 27:42
  Speaker 12: they would look at him and go, well, yeah, I
• 27:44
  Speaker 12: was young once. I did silly things. Some of the
• 27:48
  Speaker 12: accusations against him are on the extreme side.
• 27:52
  Speaker 13: But.
• 27:53
  Speaker 12: As was pointed out, he got custody of the children.
• 27:56
  Speaker 12: He was admitted into the Australian Defence Force. I think
• 27:59
  Speaker 12: those arguments have been well made. And I would have
• 28:01
  Speaker 12: to make the point this evening that Tanya Plibersek's husband
• 28:07
  Speaker 12: was put away for drug offences. And he has been
• 28:10
  Speaker 12: allowed this redemption and now serves in high office in
• 28:14
  Speaker 12: the bureaucracy in New South Wales. So that, I think,
• 28:17
  Speaker 12: is the way that many people are going to see it.
• 28:19
  Speaker 12: So I don't think it will hurt One Nation.
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: Look, you know, people are up.
• 28:23
  Speaker 12: You know, have had it up to here with the
• 28:25
  Speaker 12: Liberal Party. Less so, I think, the National Party are
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: reclaiming some ground. And I just don't see the people
• 28:32
  Speaker 12: who've abandoned the Libs coming back any time soon.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, redemption.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Everybody says everybody deserves a second chance, I would think.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: You know, this whole issue is going to linger around,
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: but now that Parliament's up for a little while, they're
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: probably not going to worry about it. What's happening in Queensland?
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: You used to run the joint. It's now had its
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: credit rating downgraded, I think, to AA, which puts it
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: in line with a basket case like Victoria. What's going
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: on in the state of Queensland with the finances?
• 29:08
  Speaker 12: Well, the seeds of this were laid, Steve, when Leader
• 29:11
  Speaker 12: of the Opposition David Crisafulli made a number of commitments
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: as sort of the preliminaries of the election campaign sort
• 29:21
  Speaker 12: of played out over a few years. And one of
• 29:23
  Speaker 12: the key ones was he said, well, I'm going to
• 29:26
  Speaker 12: just adopt the Labor Party budget. So he has, you know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 12: boxed himself in, both him and David Janetsky, the State Treasurer...
• 29:35
  Speaker 12: to higher spending, higher spending that's required. And one of
• 29:40
  Speaker 12: the commitments... that he should have kept to was no
• 29:43
  Speaker 12: new stadiums. Instead, we've thrown out the plan that was
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: pitched to the people of Queensland and Brisbane, which was
• 29:50
  Speaker 12: we're going to use existing infrastructure. They've thrown caution to
• 29:52
  Speaker 12: the winds and they've committed themselves to billions of dollars
• 29:56
  Speaker 12: worth of expenditure for the Olympics. So it's really not
• 29:58
  Speaker 12: a good look. I think they're, on the fiscal front,
• 30:01
  Speaker 12: they're showing themselves to be a very bad government. They're
• 30:06
  Speaker 12: meant to be the LNP. They're meant to be for
• 30:09
  Speaker 12: balanced budgets, small government, efficient government, you know, private enterprise,
• 30:14
  Speaker 12: but here they're going in a direction that shows they've
• 30:18
  Speaker 12: thrown caution to the wind. So they do need to
• 30:21
  Speaker 12: be condemned for where they're going on the budget side
• 30:24
  Speaker 12: of things.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: The only reason they look good is because Victoria's so bad.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: You mentioned the Olympics. I'm going to keep going back
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: to this because I've got something about this story that
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I can't believe. Rowing Australia's now slapped David Crissifulli down.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: He's claimed that bullying inner-city elites are the only people
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: opposed to supporting regional Queensland and the rowing that's going
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: to be held there. in North Queensland. I mean, the
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: boss of Olympic rowing made the point that rowing's always
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: supported regional Australia. I mean, this is about the Fitzroy
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: River and the rowing on that river. I mean, she's
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: quite right. I mean, the 1956 rowing regatta at the
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: 1956 Melbourne Olympics was held in Ballarat. The 2000 Olympics
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: where the rowing was held, it's not regional, but it's Penrith,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: which is a long way out of Sydney. So I
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: think there's a real debate to be had here about
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: whether it's safe to hold the rowing on that river.
• 31:22
  Speaker 12: I would defer to the people who actually run rowing,
• 31:25
  Speaker 12: I have to say, and they've been saying this for
• 31:27
  Speaker 12: quite some time, that they don't.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: Think the river's suitable.
• 31:30
  Speaker 12: You know, the government clearly politically want to, you know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 12: disperse Olympic events around this great vast state, and, you know,
• 31:40
  Speaker 12: I suppose that's admirable, but I have to say On
• 31:42
  Speaker 12: this one, I've been siding with the authorities that actually
• 31:46
  Speaker 12: run rowing as a sport. So, you know, and again,
• 31:51
  Speaker 12: if we go back to the original bid book, I'm
• 31:54
  Speaker 12: pretty confident you'd see that the rowing was meant to be,
• 31:57
  Speaker 12: you know, within sort of 100 kilometres or so of Brisbane.
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: You know, by the way, just to throw one other example.
• 32:04
  Speaker 12: About the profligate spending, there's a perfectly good swimming facility
• 32:10
  Speaker 12: at the northern end of the Gold Coast that was
• 32:12
  Speaker 12: built for the Commonwealth Games or upgraded for the Commonwealth Games. But, oh, no,
• 32:16
  Speaker 12: we're not going to use that. We're going to build
• 32:18
  Speaker 12: a brand-new National Aquatic Centre. Stunning, though, the architecture is.
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: In inner-city Brisbane. I mean, like, they're not serious about
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: spending the dollars wisely.
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: A bizarre thought just came to me. I mean, Christopher
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Foley could do a Daniel Andrews and just call a
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: media conference next week and say, we're not going to
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: have the Olympic Games, someone else is going to have them.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: That's what happened down here, mate. You don't want to
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: get that... You want that happening.
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's going to do that.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: I think he'd be.
• 32:49
  Speaker 12: I actually think he wouldn't have the courage to do that,
• 32:52
  Speaker 12: and that in a perverse way is a backhander for Andrews.
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: But anyway, yeah.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: You're going to regret saying that, my friend.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I'll talk to you next Friday night.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Campbell Newman there giving Daniel Andrews a pat on the back.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Please don't do that.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Coming up next in what has been a week of
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: tragic anniversaries, we'll look back on the legacy of one
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: of Australia's greatest sportsmen who we lost 20 years ago
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: this week, the great Peter Brock.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back. Steve Price with you. Still plenty to come
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  Speaker 2: with our Friday night panel.
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  Speaker 3: We'll go back to the issue of September 11, the
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  Speaker 3: 25th anniversary. But now I want to talk about another anniversary,
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  Speaker 3: the death of the legendary Peter Brock.
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  Speaker 2: Can you believe it?
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  Speaker 3: It was 20 years ago this week that Australia lost
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: a legend of Australian motorsport in a tragic car rally
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  Speaker 3: crash in Western Australia. I mean, it's fair to say
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  Speaker 3: his legacy still looms pretty large over that sport. Let's
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  Speaker 3: bring in veteran motoring journalist Paul Gover, who I know
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  Speaker 3: knew Peter very well, to reflect on the life and
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  Speaker 3: legacy of Peter Brock. Paul, welcome to you.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, mate... I can go back 20 years.
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  Speaker 3: I was on air in Sydney on TUE the day
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  Speaker 3: that news flashed up. I think it was a Friday
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  Speaker 3: afternoon that I could not believe it. In the space
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  Speaker 3: of a week, we lost wildlife warrior Steve Irwin killed
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  Speaker 3: by a stingray and Brockie died in a shocking racing accident.
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  Speaker 9: Yep.
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  Speaker 15: I can tell you exactly where I was when the
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  Speaker 15: editor of the Herald Sun newspaper rang and told me
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  Speaker 15: he didn't believe it. I made one phone call and
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  Speaker 15: then I stopped and had a good cry. And then,
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  Speaker 15: like you, put on my work hat and got on
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  Speaker 15: with it. I can tell you I still have Peter's
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  Speaker 15: phone number in my phone. I've never, ever deleted it
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  Speaker 15: and I won't. I've just been writing about, I wrote
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  Speaker 15: a bunch of stuff this past week and I spoke
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  Speaker 15: to a lot of the people who've survived, including his
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  Speaker 15: girlfriend at the time he died, Julie Bamford, who's a
• 38:52
  Speaker 15: lovely lady who said, you know, it was the best
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  Speaker 15: ride of her life.
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  Speaker 2: Spending time with PB.
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  Speaker 15: But the thing that comes through to me all the
• 38:59
  Speaker 15: time is the fact that he had this amazing, forget
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  Speaker 15: all the car racing stuff and the broom broom and
• 39:05
  Speaker 15: all that stuff. He had the amazing ability to make
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  Speaker 15: people feel special. he would take time to talk to
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  Speaker 15: people and those people would then tell you they.
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  Speaker 2: Have a memory of meeting Peter Brock. Exactly. I met
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  Speaker 2: him at.
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  Speaker 3: I drove him one of those Celebrity Grand Prix races
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  Speaker 3: down in Melbourne and they made us go from the
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: compound dressed in a racing suit up to mix with...
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: the people in the corporate suites. And Peter Brock was
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: standing up there and he looked at me and he said,
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  Speaker 3: I hope you're fast because you don't look very good
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  Speaker 3: in that driving suit.
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  Speaker 15: LAUGHTER And he just had a common touch.
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  Speaker 2: He was fantastic.
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  Speaker 15: And the other thing is, Pricey, think of how many people,
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  Speaker 15: how many kids you know whose first name is Brock, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 15: Even Brock Feeney, who's a current supercars racer, you know,
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  Speaker 15: that's a measure of the man that he transcended just
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  Speaker 15: the fact that he was the Bradman of Bathurst.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about how good he was.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we look at people like Ayrton Senna and
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: we see documentaries where Senna can come from near last
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  Speaker 3: in the wet to win a race. Tell us a
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: tale of Brock Ian coming from last or back in
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  Speaker 3: the field in bad conditions to win maybe a Bathurst.
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  Speaker 15: Well, he did. The last Bathurst he won, his ninth Bathurst,
• 40:25
  Speaker 15: it rained and he actually finished third on the road.
• 40:28
  Speaker 15: He jumped in the car, his own car broke down,
• 40:30
  Speaker 15: he jumped the second car and he was sliding all
• 40:33
  Speaker 15: over the place at Mount Panorama in the rain, big
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  Speaker 15: opposite lock slides, just for the joy of driving fast
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  Speaker 15: because he couldn't beat the two cars that were in
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  Speaker 15: front of him. And I still remember six months later,
• 40:45
  Speaker 15: they disqualified these other two cars and interviewing PB. And
• 40:50
  Speaker 15: he said, oh, what an amazing result. But I was
• 40:53
  Speaker 15: just having fun that day. And the thing about him
• 40:55
  Speaker 15: is he could drive anything. He said the most satisfying
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  Speaker 15: win of his career was the 1979 Round Australia trial.
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  Speaker 15: Drove a Commodore, beat all the rally drivers, beat the
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  Speaker 15: best rally drivers in the world, not just in Australia.
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  Speaker 15: And that was the greatest achievement of his life. And
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  Speaker 15: I've talked to, you know, people who were with him
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  Speaker 15: in that event and they all expected him to be
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  Speaker 15: the showboat race car driver who went fast and then crashed.
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  Speaker 15: But he actually got all the way to the finish
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  Speaker 15: and won it.
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  Speaker 2: An amazing achievement. My old man was a Holden dealer.
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  Speaker 3: He loved him because whenever he won in a Commodore
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  Speaker 3: or in a Tarana, they suddenly sold about a half
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  Speaker 3: a dozen more cars on Monday mornings.
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  Speaker 15: Oh, absolutely, you know, and his imprint, you know, Bridgestone tyres,
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  Speaker 15: you know, mobile oil, all that stuff that's associated with him.
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  Speaker 2: He was just gold. He had the magic wand. It
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: was amazing.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you, I want to talk to you
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: just briefly about electric vehicles as well. They're now outselling
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: petrol vehicles. Now, that's a great headline. Is it real?
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  Speaker 13: No.
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  Speaker 2: I knew you were going to say that.
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  Speaker 6: We don't know.
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  Speaker 2: No, the honest answer is we don't know.
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  Speaker 14: OK?
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  Speaker 15: In one month, pure electric, battery electric vehicles outsold pure
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  Speaker 15: internal combustion engine vehicles.
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  Speaker 8: OK?
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  Speaker 7: OK?
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  Speaker 10: Terrific.
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  Speaker 2: Wonderful. Great headline, as you say. Great headline.
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  Speaker 15: Did they outsell petrol-electric hybrid cars?
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  Speaker 6: No, they didn't.
• 42:27
  Speaker 15: Are they going to continue that way? Nobody knows because
• 42:30
  Speaker 15: what happens is because our cars now turn up from overseas,
• 42:34
  Speaker 15: if you get a boatload of something coming in full
• 42:37
  Speaker 15: of Teslas, for example.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Or BYDs or whatever... you get these spikes. So you really, these.
• 42:43
  Speaker 15: Days, you need to look at the, you don't look
• 42:44
  Speaker 15: at the monthly sales figures, you look at the three-month
• 42:46
  Speaker 15: rolling average. Now, the fact is, more people are buying
• 42:50
  Speaker 15: electric vehicles. Lots of people bought toilet paper when COVID
• 42:53
  Speaker 15: was on. Do they still buy 12 packs of toilet paper?
• 42:58
  Speaker 15: This is the question we don't know with the electric thing.
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  Speaker 2: How much is a blip.
• 43:01
  Speaker 15: Caused by the fuel price increase with the Strait of.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Hormuz, how much is genuine uptake? How much is panic?
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  Speaker 15: How much is people making an intelligent decision? We won't know,
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  Speaker 15: probably till the middle of next year.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: And you could probably put that spike down to there'd
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: be a lot of cars being bought as vehicles for
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  Speaker 3: people as part of their job contract because they're cheap.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: You know, vehicles in a fleet. That's right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 15: Because the thing about it is there's a lot of
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  Speaker 15: greenwashing going on in councils and state governments and those
• 43:34
  Speaker 15: sort of things who are buying EVs to say, gee,
• 43:39
  Speaker 15: look how green we are, you know. And again, that's
• 43:42
  Speaker 15: a spike that'll happen from time to time, but we
• 43:44
  Speaker 15: don't know what the answer is. I'm not saying that
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  Speaker 15: we won't get to a high percentage of EVs, but
• 43:50
  Speaker 15: right at the moment, it's too early to make a call.
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  Speaker 2: Don't we love Paul Gover?
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us again, mate. Thank you for your
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: memories of the great Peter Brock. OK, coming up, it
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  Speaker 3: is panel time after the break. Today marks 25 years,
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  Speaker 3: as we've said, since the terror attack on New York
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  Speaker 3: City and Washington and the Pentagon.
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  Speaker 2: We'll discuss that with our panel after the break. Friday
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  Speaker 2: night panel.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very poignant day today, Friday, September 11, 2026,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: a quarter of a century on, of course, from the
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: attack in New York. Here to reflect, News 24 contributor
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  Speaker 3: Joe Hildebrand and child and adolescent mental health psychologist Claire Rowe.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to you both. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: The New York commemoration services are about to get underway.
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  Speaker 3: There's some pictures coming out of there now of the
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Statue of Liberty lit up in green.
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  Speaker 2: Where were you, Joe? Were you working?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I was. Believe it or not, it was my
• 44:49
  Speaker 9: very first year as a graded journalist. I was working
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: for Australian Associated Press in Sydney. I was living in
• 44:55
  Speaker 9: a bedsit in a boarding house. It was about 11
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: o'clock at night. I didn't even have a television. That's
• 45:01
  Speaker 9: how Hard up I was. And I got a text
• 45:05
  Speaker 9: message from my sister saying that something massive was happening.
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: I turned on the radio and listened to it and
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: just thought, oh, my God, this is incredible. And then Pricey,
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  Speaker 9: in perhaps the strangest response you could possibly imagine, I thought,
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: holy crap, I'm going to be in the office at,
• 45:25
  Speaker 9: you know, 5.30 in the morning or whatever. I'd better
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: get some sleep. And my first instinct was to go
• 45:29
  Speaker 9: to bed because I knew the next day was going
• 45:31
  Speaker 9: to be just extraordinary. And I think perhaps because I
• 45:34
  Speaker 9: couldn't see the images on television, I didn't realise just
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: how huge it was. More experienced journos rushed into the
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  Speaker 9: office straight away. They didn't worry about getting their 40 winks.
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  Speaker 9: But when I got into the office, those images that
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  Speaker 9: we're seeing now were just playing over and over and
• 45:49
  Speaker 9: over again. And no matter how many times they played,
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  Speaker 9: still nobody could believe it. Nobody could believe it.
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  Speaker 3: Claire, I was actually woken up by... Because I'd just
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: gone to bed. I was working at 3RW in Melbourne...
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  Speaker 3: I ended up going to air at midnight that day
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: or midnight that night and I did a 14-hour shift
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: live on radio with various co-hosts and we went right
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: through until about two or three in the afternoon and
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: sitting there describing this on air as I was watching it,
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  Speaker 3: I was talking about what I was seeing but you
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  Speaker 3: really tried to convince yourself, Clare, that this is not real,
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  Speaker 3: this can't be happening, surely.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 16: And, look, not to show off my age, gentlemen, but
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  Speaker 16: I remember my senior English teacher rolling in the television
• 46:41
  Speaker 16: on the wheels and playing this to the class, which
• 46:44
  Speaker 16: I don't know whether we do now, and just seeing
• 46:47
  Speaker 16: these images and watching just the humanity of it, of
• 46:51
  Speaker 16: these people jumping from buildings and having a look and.
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  Speaker 8: Saying, God, you know, like.
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  Speaker 6: Would we do that? Or we can't even answer that.
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  Speaker 16: And I think that's partly why these images have stayed
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  Speaker 16: with us for 25 years. They take something enormous, an
• 47:06
  Speaker 16: unimaginable act of evil and of terror, and they reduce
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  Speaker 16: it to sometimes a single human life in the final
• 47:16
  Speaker 16: moments of their life. And for those old enough to remember,
• 47:20
  Speaker 16: that day doesn't feel like history at all. But we've
• 47:23
  Speaker 16: got to remember there's an entire generation now who were
• 47:26
  Speaker 16: not alive in 2001 and so for.
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  Speaker 6: Them it is history.
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  Speaker 16: And that's why I think it's important to keep remembering
• 47:32
  Speaker 16: because when that living memory eventually fades, we just want
• 47:37
  Speaker 16: to make sure that the humanity of what happened that
• 47:40
  Speaker 16: day does not fade with it.
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  Speaker 3: Claire, I'm sure there's been PhDs written on this, but
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: the mental health aspect in your role as a psychologist,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: the mental health impact on those people and the images
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: I think of was there was people standing in the
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: street looking up at those two towers and there were
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: people jumping out and the bodies were thumping onto the
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: protective roof underneath the two towers. But then there was
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: the group of people who escaped down, you know, 50...
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  Speaker 3: I've been.
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  Speaker 2: Up to the 100th floor of that joint.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: They were going down 60 flights of stairs, smoke coming
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: at them, you know, thinking, we're going to die. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the mental impact on those people must have been extraordinary.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely.
• 48:26
  Speaker 16: And as I was saying, you just cannot put yourself
• 48:29
  Speaker 16: in that position from the comfort and the safety that
• 48:32
  Speaker 16: we're looking at that now. And for many people, those
• 48:35
  Speaker 16: ones jumping out of those buildings, they did not have
• 48:37
  Speaker 16: a meaningful choice.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: That wasn't a choice. at all for them.
• 48:43
  Speaker 16: And there's a lot of research post-September 11 just to
• 48:47
  Speaker 16: show the trauma of people repeatedly watching, you know, those
• 48:52
  Speaker 16: images at the time and just being... I remember just
• 48:54
  Speaker 16: being glued to that television set for days. We really
• 48:56
  Speaker 16: didn't know what was going to happen next. Like, the
• 48:59
  Speaker 16: level of fear to say, well, is it London, is
• 49:02
  Speaker 16: it Paris, is it Sydney next?
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: We did not know.
• 49:05
  Speaker 16: The world fundamentally changed, and for us going through it...
• 49:09
  Speaker 16: and the world, it will always be one of those
• 49:12
  Speaker 16: events where we have, pre-September 11 and we have post-September 11.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Joe, I was talking about this on Shari's program last night.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: John Howard was actually in Washington... Yes, he was, yes.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: when this happened.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: He was about to give a media conference and they
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: had to shut the curtains behind him because one of
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: those planes had ploughed into the Pentagon. But one of
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: the most amazing stories is that Jeanette, his wife and
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: his son, were out shopping in Washington... Suddenly a black
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: SUV pulled up next to them, grabbed them and rushed
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: them into an underground car park.
• 49:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it was one of those moments that was really
• 49:52
  Speaker 9: the making of John Howard. It's very easy to forget
• 49:55
  Speaker 9: that in 2001, John Howard and the government were very unpopular.
• 50:01
  Speaker 9: They were known as mean and tricky. That dossier had
• 50:05
  Speaker 9: leaked showing how the public was perceiving them as having
• 50:08
  Speaker 9: broken the promise on the GST and all this sort
• 50:11
  Speaker 9: of stuff. And then Tampa happened in August and Howard
• 50:16
  Speaker 9: emerged very strongly from that on the issue of national
• 50:19
  Speaker 9: sovereignty and I think sort of as an extension of
• 50:21
  Speaker 9: that you know just general anxiety about your country being
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: besieged be it by asylum seekers or be it by
• 50:28
  Speaker 9: those who'd wish to do us harm then being in
• 50:33
  Speaker 9: Washington right at the heart of the you know the
• 50:36
  Speaker 9: very nerve center of US power just when that power
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: was being shaken to its foundation and being able to
• 50:43
  Speaker 9: stand side by side you know with the US and
• 50:48
  Speaker 9: declare Australia's unwavering support for the US and solidarity with
• 50:53
  Speaker 9: the US, I think that really sort of elevated his
• 50:57
  Speaker 9: statesmanship to the highest levels that it ever reached.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing it did clear is, I mean, we
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: forget because our memories are not that great. It changed forever.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: the way we travel air travel. I mean, prior to that,
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: you didn't have to always go through security. You certainly
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: never had to take your shoes off. And the cockpit
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: of the plane was often open and you could sit
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: there watching the pilot flying the plane. All of that
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: had to change.
• 51:28
  Speaker 16: Yeah, there are reminders of the impact of September 11
• 51:33
  Speaker 16: in our lives constantly, as you said. It's almost like,
• 51:36
  Speaker 16: you know, for the younger generation now, it's pre-COVID, post-COVID,
• 51:40
  Speaker 16: you know, those effects of such an event. And hard
• 51:43
  Speaker 16: to believe, just in those examples you gave there, that, yeah,
• 51:47
  Speaker 16: you could quite easily just casually walk through security, not
• 51:50
  Speaker 16: really empty your.
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: Bag, sit on.
• 51:52
  Speaker 16: say hi to the pilot, bring the kids forward to
• 51:55
  Speaker 16: the front of the plane.
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: And have a little.
• 51:57
  Speaker 16: have a little sit in the cockpit, take a photo.
• 51:59
  Speaker 16: I mean, it just would be unheard of now, certainly
• 52:02
  Speaker 16: for the younger generation to be able to do that.
• 52:04
  Speaker 16: But that was all mobilised very, very quickly. And even,
• 52:08
  Speaker 16: you know, the reminiscing now and remembering from top security
• 52:12
  Speaker 16: experts at the time where they were trying to, you know,
• 52:15
  Speaker 16: ground all planes immediately, like worldwide.
• 52:19
  Speaker 15: On that day.
• 52:20
  Speaker 16: And directions that, you know, if any plane did not
• 52:23
  Speaker 16: respond and confirm who they were, there was orders for
• 52:26
  Speaker 16: them to be shot down. Extraordinary mobilisation of security plans
• 52:32
  Speaker 16: and emergency procedures.
• 52:34
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 52:34
  Speaker 16: And then we just had no idea that it would
• 52:36
  Speaker 16: permanently affect every single person's lives going forward.
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  Speaker 3: Certainly did. Amazing day in history. We'll never forget it. Jo, Claire,
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: thank you very much for joining us.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend. Appreciate it very much.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: Just on those flights, by the way, John Howard, was
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: lent Air Force Two so he and his family could
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: fly out of the States to Hawaii on his way back.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Rowan Dean's up next.