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- 0:00Speaker 1: Well, the push to reform college sports is getting some
- 0:02Speaker 1: momentum in Washington. The Senate is planning to hold a
- 0:05Speaker 1: final floor vote on the Protect College Sports Act next week. Some,
- 0:12Speaker 1: pardon me, key provisions of that bill. Athletes can transfer
- 0:16Speaker 1: schools only once without penalty. Coaches cannot leave one school
- 0:21Speaker 1: for another during the season. The bill also protects the
- 0:24Speaker 1: NCAA from lawsuits for things like eligibility issues. It would
- 0:28Speaker 1: preempt state laws that regulate NIL. Also, schools would face
- 0:34Speaker 1: a three-year probationary period as an independent before joining a
- 0:39Speaker 1: new conference. Let's bring in Craig Carton, host of the
- 0:43Speaker 1: Craig Carton show on Outkick, which made its debut earlier
- 0:47Speaker 1: this month. Congratulations on that, Craig. So let's talk about
- 0:52Speaker 1: this legislation. What do you think of it overall?
- 0:57Speaker 2: Well, I think it's needed. I think we're living in
- 0:59Speaker 2: the wild, wild west right now. The NCAA has become
- 1:02Speaker 2: a feckless, powerless organization. And we don't know where the
- 1:05Speaker 2: money is coming from for these kids. We don't know
- 1:07Speaker 2: who's giving up payments under the table to the kids.
- 1:10Speaker 2: We're not sure which conference is actually acting as a
- 1:13Speaker 2: watchdog against it. And we've created a system that was
- 1:16Speaker 2: based in something good, which is that athletes that produce
- 1:19Speaker 2: a significant amount of income for their schools should be
- 1:22Speaker 2: able to profit in that income. But that's not what
- 1:25Speaker 2: NIL does. It started off where you can profit off
- 1:27Speaker 2: your name, your image, your likeness. So jersey sales, you
- 1:30Speaker 2: get a piece of. Mugs that have your name or
- 1:32Speaker 2: your number on it or your autograph on it. But
- 1:35Speaker 2: now it's just a cash. It's a pay-to-play league right now.
- 1:38Speaker 2: It's effectively become a professional league that acts as a
- 1:41Speaker 2: minor league for basketball and for football. So I think
- 1:45Speaker 2: we need to protect college sports. I think we need regulation.
- 1:48Speaker 2: And we need to decide if the powers that be
- 1:50Speaker 2: with the NCAA... or even the right organization to oversee everything.
- 1:55Speaker 2: So I think it comes from a very good place.
- 1:57Speaker 1: The Arkansas basketball coach, John Calipari, says he thinks this
- 2:03Speaker 1: bill is going to be good for especially young players. Listen.
- 2:08Speaker 3: They're limited because we coaches are taking older players, waiting
- 2:12Speaker 3: on transfers. going over to Europe, getting an older player
- 2:15Speaker 3: at Europe, and at the expense of young American kids.
- 2:19Speaker 3: I coached at UMass. In this environment, I would not
- 2:23Speaker 3: have been able to move that program. My staff and
- 2:26Speaker 3: I couldn't have done what we did there in this environment.
- 2:29Speaker 3: I was at Memphis. What we did there in this environment,
- 2:34Speaker 3: we couldn't have done.
- 2:36Speaker 1: So he seems to think that this is all going
- 2:39Speaker 1: to make, well, sort of level the playing field, I guess,
- 2:42Speaker 1: for schools.
- 2:43Speaker 2: Well, John, what he's saying is he's looking out for
- 2:46Speaker 2: the high school seniors. High school seniors are the largest
- 2:49Speaker 2: group of young athletes that are getting screwed by the
- 2:51Speaker 2: current status of the NCAA. Let me explain that real quick.
- 2:54Speaker 2: If I'm a coach, a college football coach, a college
- 2:57Speaker 2: basketball coach, and I have the opportunity to poach every
- 3:01Speaker 2: kid that's playing college basketball right now that's already become
- 3:04Speaker 2: more physically developed, you know, a 21-year-old, a 22-year-old, as
- 3:09Speaker 2: opposed to trying to recruit an 18-year-old high school kid
- 3:12Speaker 2: that hasn't had the benefit of better coaching, a better
- 3:15Speaker 2: workout system, a better weightlifting system, John's right. It is
- 3:19Speaker 2: negative for the 18- and 19-year-old high school graduate, or
- 3:23Speaker 2: even college freshman. The problem with John Calipari being the
- 3:26Speaker 2: messenger there is that he's had a scandal-ridden career as
- 3:29Speaker 2: a head coach, and he's a fantastic head coach. So
- 3:32Speaker 2: I think in this case, don't mind the messenger. Let's
- 3:35Speaker 2: pay attention to the message, because what John is saying
- 3:38Speaker 2: is right. We need some type of reform, some type
- 3:41Speaker 2: of regulation. And to be fair about it, I'm not
- 3:44Speaker 2: a guy that thinks the government needs to get involved
- 3:46Speaker 2: in every aspect of our lives. But this cannot continue
- 3:50Speaker 2: the way it's continuing or the way it's begun over
- 3:52Speaker 2: the last three to five years. And this ends in
- 3:54Speaker 2: a good place. We need to fix it. We need
- 3:56Speaker 2: to regulate how much money agents can take from these kids.
- 3:59Speaker 2: Think about this for a minute. If I'm an NFL player,
- 4:02Speaker 2: the max amount my agent can take from my contract
- 4:06Speaker 2: is 4%. But there are no rules in the NCAA.
- 4:10Speaker 2: So if you take a kid who doesn't know any
- 4:12Speaker 2: better and he's got a sweet talker in his ear saying,
- 4:15Speaker 2: I'm going to get you the best NIL deal from
- 4:17Speaker 2: the best college. I'm going to make sure that you
- 4:20Speaker 2: go pro one day. And oh, by the way, I'm
- 4:23Speaker 2: going to take a 25 percent fee from all the
- 4:26Speaker 2: money you make. That's happening right now. So there are
- 4:29Speaker 2: things that we need to put in place really to
- 4:31Speaker 2: protect the kid more than to protect the academic institutions.
- 4:35Speaker 1: One of the holdouts on this bill is the former
- 4:40Speaker 1: Auburn coach, Tommy Tuberville, now a senator from Alabama. He
- 4:43Speaker 1: has changed his mind. He's voting for it. And this
- 4:48Speaker 1: is what he says about why. He says, I voted
- 4:50Speaker 1: against it just to show my disapproval. It could be better.
- 4:53Speaker 1: I don't want to see it overshadowed by the federal government.
- 4:56Speaker 1: We can't get anything else done. Something has to be done.
- 5:00Speaker 1: Let's try it. But the problem is when you do...
- 5:03Speaker 1: It's hard to retract anything. It's kind of a lukewarm endorsement,
- 5:08Speaker 1: I guess, but the guy they know as coach says
- 5:11Speaker 1: he's for it now.
- 5:13Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you have to be for it. The
- 5:16Speaker 2: major upside for all of this is twofold. One, athletes
- 5:20Speaker 2: are going to get paid. There's a value for what
- 5:22Speaker 2: they bring to the table, and they should be paid
- 5:24Speaker 2: for that. So let's put that aside because no one
- 5:26Speaker 2: disagrees with that conceptually. The other part of it now is,
- 5:30Speaker 2: for a long time, the schools that were doing untoward
- 5:33Speaker 2: things under the table— where the schools have the most
- 5:35Speaker 2: success and the continued success. Jay Williams, the former Duke superstar,
- 5:39Speaker 2: talked about this past week on a podcast. Even Duke,
- 5:42Speaker 2: the almighty Duke, with Mike Krzyzewski, bags of cash, exchanging
- 5:47Speaker 2: hands to get the best players. Alabama did it back
- 5:50Speaker 2: in the day. My alma mater, Syracuse, did it back
- 5:52Speaker 2: in the day. So the upside of all this is
- 5:55Speaker 2: once you level the playing field, You get great stories
- 5:59Speaker 2: like we had last year with Indiana winning a college
- 6:01Speaker 2: football championship. For the last hundred years prior to Kurt
- 6:05Speaker 2: Cignetti getting there and the NIL thing being in full
- 6:07Speaker 2: steam ahead, Indiana was the single worst, most losing team
- 6:12Speaker 2: in the Big Ten in its history. Now it's a powerhouse.
- 6:15Speaker 1: Why?
- 6:16Speaker 2: Because guys like Mark Cuban and his other brethren, wealthy graduates,
- 6:20Speaker 2: are willing to stroke a check.
- 6:21Speaker 3: St.
- 6:22Speaker 2: John's basketball, Mike Rapoli, the founder of Vitamin Water, loves St. John's,
- 6:27Speaker 2: willing to stroke a check. And now that we level
- 6:29Speaker 2: the playing field and we know where the money comes from,
- 6:32Speaker 2: your alma mater can win a championship too. And I
- 6:35Speaker 2: think at the end of the day, that's what we want.
- 6:37Speaker 2: We want a fair competitive balance when it comes to
- 6:40Speaker 2: the college sports that we love so much.
- 6:42Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Couldn't agree with you more. Craig Carton. Craig,
- 6:46Speaker 1: thank you.
- 6:48Speaker 3: Pleasure.
- 6:48Speaker 2: Anytime.
- 6:49Speaker 1: You can watch Craig's podcast, The Craig Carton Show. It's
- 6:53Speaker 1: new and it's on OutKick.