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“This Season On Insurrection.” (Live from LA!) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: What's up, L.A.? Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Trevelle Anderson.
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  Speaker 3: How y'all doing? I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 6: And joining us tonight is White House National Security Advisor
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  Speaker 6: Jake Sullivan. And the hilarious guy Branham is here to
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  Speaker 6: help us ring in Pride Month with a game that
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  Speaker 6: pits gays against straights in a battle for the ages.
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  Speaker 6: So it's a real reason to stick around. All right,
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  Speaker 6: let's get to the news. So this show is starting
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  Speaker 6: just after the bipartisan House Select Committee concluded its first
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  Speaker 6: primetime hearing into the January 6th attack on the.
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  Speaker 1: People are going to wonder why I laughed in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of that.
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  Speaker 3: It's very hot, though. For those at home, Travella's whipped
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  Speaker 3: out a fan that says legendary on it.
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  Speaker 7: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I'm glad you didn't
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  Speaker 1: tell us about it in advance. All right. So where
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  Speaker 1: were we? All right.
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  Speaker 4: The hearing.
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  Speaker 6: So first primetime hearing into the January 6th attack on
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  Speaker 6: the U.S. Capitol that was, of course, the culmination of
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  Speaker 6: Donald Trump's plot to overturn the 2020 election. In the
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  Speaker 6: first hour, Democratic Chairman Bennie Thompson and Republican Vice Chair
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  Speaker 6: Liz Cheney gave us their opening arguments and a roadmap
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  Speaker 6: of what we can expect out of the six hearings,
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  Speaker 6: which are the product of an investigation that has conducted
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  Speaker 6: over 1,000 depositions and gathered more than 140,000 documents. In
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  Speaker 6: the second hour, we heard from two witnesses, Nick Quested,
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  Speaker 6: a documentary filmmaker who was embedded with the right-wing extremist
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  Speaker 6: Proud Boys on the day of the attack and the
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  Speaker 6: weeks leading up to it, and Caroline Edwards, the first
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  Speaker 6: Capitol Police officer injured during the attack. Here's some of
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  Speaker 6: what we heard during the hearing.
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  Speaker 8: Aware of the rioters chance to hang Mike Pence, the
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  Speaker 8: president responded with this sentiment, quote, maybe our supporters have
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  Speaker 8: the right idea. Mike Pence, quote, deserves it. Many of
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  Speaker 8: President Trump's White House staff also recognized that the evidence
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  Speaker 8: did not support the claims President Trump was making. This
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  Speaker 8: is the president's daughter commenting on Bill Barr's statement that
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  Speaker 8: the department found no fraud sufficient to overturn the election.
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  Speaker 9: How did that affect your perspective about the election when
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  Speaker 9: Attorney General Barr made that statement?
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  Speaker 10: It affected my perspective.
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  Speaker 11: I respect Attorney General Barr. So I accepted what he
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  Speaker 11: was saying.
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  Speaker 7: People.
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  Speaker 4: These were great people.
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  Speaker 8: The crowd was unbelievable. And I mentioned the word love.
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  Speaker 12: The love in the air, I've never seen anything like it.
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  Speaker 13: What I saw was just a war scene. It was
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  Speaker 13: something like I had seen out of the movies. I
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  Speaker 13: couldn't believe my eyes. There were officers on the ground,
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  Speaker 13: you know, They were bleeding. They were throwing up. They were,
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  Speaker 13: you know, they had, I mean, I saw friends with
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  Speaker 13: blood all over their faces. I was slipping in people's blood.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 13: Carnage. It was chaos. I can't even describe what I saw.
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  Speaker 13: Never in my wildest dreams did I think that as
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  Speaker 13: a police officer, as a law enforcement officer, I would
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  Speaker 13: find myself in the middle of a battle.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 6: Let's start with everyone's general reactions from the first hearing.
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  Speaker 1: Travelle, what did you think?
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  Speaker 10: I mean, I think I was most struck by the
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  Speaker 10: footage from the quested individual who was embedded in with
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  Speaker 10: the Proud Boys, and the cutting of it was masterful
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  Speaker 10: because it kind of puts you in... in the environment.
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  Speaker 10: I was someone who didn't really look at the videos.
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  Speaker 10: Like I saw it happen on Twitter. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 10: the white people are going crazy.
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  Speaker 1: No, thank you.
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  Speaker 10: And so watching it today was my first time like
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  Speaker 10: seeing footage. And then this footage had not been, you know,
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  Speaker 10: publicly released before. And so I think that was just,
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  Speaker 10: you know, maddening and enraging. But I'm stuck on the
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  Speaker 10: fact that we've got like, what, five more of these?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 10: Two-hour specials to come.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know how I feel about that.
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  Speaker 10: Because they could have fast-tracked some of that.
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  Speaker 7: Mr.
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  Speaker 10: Benny didn't need to do his whole prologue.
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  Speaker 1: Long opening statement.
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  Speaker 4: But that's all right.
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  Speaker 10: We're going to let them work. They've been investigating and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm done. Love it.
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  Speaker 5: A couple points.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, I think it's cool that Ivanka set
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  Speaker 3: her Zoom filter to Madonna on TikTok. Just two eyes
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  Speaker 3: and two nostrils and nothing else. Not the most important thing.
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  Speaker 3: So we all watched it together. And there was a
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  Speaker 3: little too much blah, blah, blah. And then you start
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  Speaker 3: seeing these clips. You see Bill Barr calling it bullshit.
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  Speaker 3: you see Mark Milley, the general, basically saying that the
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  Speaker 3: vice president is trying to protect the Capitol, and then
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  Speaker 3: he's hearing from Mark Meadows that they need to make
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  Speaker 3: sure the president looks like he's in charge, even though,
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  Speaker 3: by all accounts, he's completely abdicated his responsibility. And so
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  Speaker 3: I guess I had two, there was two responses. One
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  Speaker 3: was watching them methodically build a case against, about Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump's knowledge, his awareness in real time that the election
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  Speaker 3: wasn't stolen, that they knew their claims were false as
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  Speaker 3: part of an effort to demonstrate Trump's criminality, not just
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  Speaker 3: about what happened on January 6th, but in the overall effort,
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  Speaker 3: the criminality and the overall effort to overturn the election. That's,
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  Speaker 3: to me, what I'm watching most closely. If they can
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  Speaker 3: demonstrate that Donald Trump was complicit in the attack on
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  Speaker 3: the Capitol, that's important. If that's true, we should know it.
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  Speaker 3: But just as important to me is making the case
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  Speaker 3: for what Trump did to overturn the election, even if
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  Speaker 3: no one had ever reached the Capitol. The second thing
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  Speaker 3: was we were watching this together, and then all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden they go to this footage, they show this footage,
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  Speaker 3: and they did this masterful thing of intercutting between the
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  Speaker 3: people on the floor and what was happening outside. And
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden I found myself sitting there with
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  Speaker 3: Travelle and my boys and just being like, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to cry in this hotel room. Like, I'm like really,
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  Speaker 3: I'm emotional. We were all a little misty. I could,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, am I really overcome right now?
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, am I, like, I'm like just
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  Speaker 3: trying to hold it back. And it was, it really
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  Speaker 3: did put you back in that day and you're just
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  Speaker 3: overcome with fury and sadness about how close we came.
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  Speaker 3: You remember how lucky we are. There was this, there
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  Speaker 3: was one person who said, something like, bring her out
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  Speaker 3: here or we're going in, referring to Pelosi. And you
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  Speaker 3: realize that like, man, We were so close to something
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  Speaker 3: far more deadly. We are lucky a lot more. It's
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  Speaker 3: a miracle that more people weren't killed. It's a miracle
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  Speaker 3: that there weren't lawmakers ripped apart, strung up by this mob.
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  Speaker 3: And again, I think some of the Zoom angles were
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  Speaker 3: pretty appalling as well in these depositions.
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  Speaker 1: Tommy?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I too was overcome with contempt for
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  Speaker 11: Jared Kushner, who's... That sniveling little shit said that he
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  Speaker 11: thought that the White House attorneys who threatened to resign
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  Speaker 11: because they didn't want to participate in a coup were whining.
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  Speaker 11: So that was what Jared's helpful take was. But, you know,
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  Speaker 11: I mean, Travelle said, you know, you opted out of
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  Speaker 11: watching the footage until today. Like, I feel like I've
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  Speaker 11: watched it a million times and it still didn't matter
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  Speaker 11: to me. I mean, like, no matter how many times
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  Speaker 11: you watch that footage or hear the audio of the
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  Speaker 11: police over the radios calling for help, it is, it's
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  Speaker 11: really harrowing. I thought the information we learned about the
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  Speaker 11: coordination between extremist groups, that particular research and presentation was
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  Speaker 11: really compelling. The back of my brain anxiety is that
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  Speaker 11: we keep hearing from the voters we need to convince
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  Speaker 11: that they don't want to relitigate the past. They don't
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  Speaker 11: want Washington infighting. They want to focus on the future.
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  Speaker 11: And I just hope that... We spent a lot of
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  Speaker 11: time on the syllabus tonight, you know, walking through what
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  Speaker 11: the class is going to learn. I hope that we
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  Speaker 11: really turn hard into how... this hearing instead of hearings
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  Speaker 11: is about preventing this from ever happening again.
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  Speaker 5: I had a couple of different reactions.
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  Speaker 9: My first one was if you're going to be involved
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  Speaker 9: in a violent attempt to overthrow the government, don't invite
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  Speaker 9: a stranger to film you while you do it. Because
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  Speaker 9: it seems like a bad idea.
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  Speaker 12: It's a good note.
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  Speaker 9: Second, I very much agree with Tommy that the very important, like,
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  Speaker 9: I think they did the right thing here. They have
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  Speaker 9: to establish what happened that day using this very, using
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  Speaker 9: the interview clips and the very graphic footage as a
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  Speaker 9: way to capture the nation's attention. That's the most important
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  Speaker 9: thing they can do here to be able to have
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  Speaker 9: this space to make the rest of the argument.
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  Speaker 5: But We are living, to really deal.
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  Speaker 9: With the future, you have to tell the story about
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  Speaker 9: the wide-ranging criminal conspiracy to overturn the election, of which
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  Speaker 9: what happened in the.
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  Speaker 5: Capitol on that day was a symptom of it.
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  Speaker 9: And we are living in a world where a Republican
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  Speaker 9: candidate for governor in a state that if you end
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  Speaker 9: up with a Republican governor could literally overturn the election
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  Speaker 9: by sending an alternate state of electors, the Republican governor
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  Speaker 9: candidate for governor, was arrested in their home today by
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  Speaker 9: the FBI for participating in the insurrection. The nominee in
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  Speaker 9: Pennsylvania is someone who participated in the insurrection. He ran
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  Speaker 9: on the platform of giving Pennsylvania's electoral votes to Donald
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  Speaker 9: Trump no matter what. That was what he ran on.
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  Speaker 9: And my third reaction to this whole thing was, I was, like,
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  Speaker 9: we talk about January 6th all the time.
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  Speaker 5: It is something that comes up on the podcast. We've
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  Speaker 5: talked about these hearings a long time.
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  Speaker 9: And I was In watching the footage of the violence
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  Speaker 9: on that day struck by this, how angry I was
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  Speaker 9: about it. It's just like, it is so bad and
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  Speaker 9: so dangerous and so violent. And Donald Trump is so
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  Speaker 9: deeply fucking irresponsible. And every Republican, like three of them
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  Speaker 9: have decided they're going to throw in with Donald Trump
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  Speaker 9: and all those people storming the Capitol. And this could
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  Speaker 9: very well happen again. And these are people, and whether
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  Speaker 9: it's Mitch McConnell or Kevin McCarthy or all the rest
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  Speaker 9: of them are, they've decided to let it happen because
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  Speaker 9: they think that's what is good for them in the
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  Speaker 9: short term. And that is just so deeply dangerous and irresponsible.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, they should be drummed out of public life.
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  Speaker 6: It is, I mean, it is treasonous. I, um, I
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  Speaker 6: came into this somewhat cynical, you know, Tommy was talking
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  Speaker 6: about this, but I had just been in Pittsburgh. I
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  Speaker 6: did a focus group of voters for the wilderness, and
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  Speaker 6: these were all people who vote for Democrats, but they're
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  Speaker 6: going to vote in this election, but they're sort of
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  Speaker 6: sick of politics. They're very disengaged. They don't pay attention
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  Speaker 6: to politics that much. I asked, like, what are issues
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  Speaker 6: that the media and politics are too focused on? Two
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  Speaker 6: people on their own brought up the January 6th hearings.
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  Speaker 6: the January 6th investigation, and then I said, oh, is
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  Speaker 6: anyone going to watch the hearings this week? And they're like,
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  Speaker 6: there are hearings this week? What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 6: So they didn't know anything about it. I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 6: this is going to be hard to make this matter
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  Speaker 6: to people. And then I watched it, and like everyone else,
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  Speaker 6: I was sort of overcome with emotion. And then my
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  Speaker 6: next feeling was rage. And all I could think of
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  Speaker 6: is just like, fuck every Republican member of Congress who
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  Speaker 6: did not vote to impeach Donald Trump when they had
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  Speaker 6: the chance.
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  Speaker 7: And.
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  Speaker 6: I got a text from a friend who's also had
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  Speaker 6: been in politics before. She's very dispirited about politics, very down.
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  Speaker 6: And she said, I just watched that, and I want
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  Speaker 6: to spend the rest of my life trying to defeat
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  Speaker 6: Republicans after seeing that. So I do think it is
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  Speaker 6: going to be very hard. Let's be honest about the
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  Speaker 6: challenge here. It's going to be very hard to reach people.
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  Speaker 6: It's going to be very hard to change a lot
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  Speaker 6: of minds. But I think a lot of people... who
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  Speaker 6: are wondering whether politics matters or whether they should be involved,
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  Speaker 6: when you see that, when you watch that footage, when
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  Speaker 6: you see how close we came, when you see how
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  Speaker 6: the threat to democracy is still ongoing, you think to yourself,
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  Speaker 6: I better get involved, I better do something about this. Tommy, what,
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  Speaker 6: if anything, was new or surprising about what you heard tonight?
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I think Ivanka selling out her dad because
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  Speaker 11: of a quote from Bill Barr is, is both new
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  Speaker 11: and glorious.
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  Speaker 1: That's gotta be up there.
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  Speaker 11: Let's just, let's, let's let ourselves have some fun.
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  Speaker 14: Let's enjoy that.
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  Speaker 12: Let's enjoy Jared's little whining thing.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I, I do think I, I'm really, I
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  Speaker 11: was really seized with the parts about the proud boys
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  Speaker 11: and the oath keepers. These really is right wing, you know,
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  Speaker 11: white supremacists, extremist groups. Um, When Trump told the Proud
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  Speaker 11: Boys to stand back and stand by at the debate,
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  Speaker 11: they said that tripled their recruiting. That is a remarkable fact,
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  Speaker 11: that he was a terrorist recruiter, a white nationalist recruiter
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  Speaker 11: in this country. And then to Dan's point, I mean,
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  Speaker 11: these Proud Boys let this documentarian embed with them and
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  Speaker 11: let him document a secret meeting between the head of
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  Speaker 11: the Oath Keepers and the head of the Proud Boys
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  Speaker 11: the day before the insurrection, where they were clearly coordinating
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  Speaker 11: this violent assault on the Capitol because Trump was giving
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  Speaker 11: his speech and these white nationalists all started marching before
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  Speaker 11: he was even done. And then they were the first
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  Speaker 11: ones to attack the barricade. So I did think there
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  Speaker 11: was really some fascinating research and new information when it
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  Speaker 11: came to the coordination and role that these groups played
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  Speaker 11: in fomenting violence and turning it from not just a
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  Speaker 11: protest where people were a little heated, but to something
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  Speaker 11: that was truly violent and scary and seditious.
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  Speaker 1: Anyone else on new surprising info? Love it. Were you
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  Speaker 1: going to say something?
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  Speaker 3: Well, what I was going to say is I feel
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  Speaker 3: like in watching these hearings, I feel like there's sort
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  Speaker 3: of three goals for them. And one of them is
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  Speaker 3: the one that I think is the most kind of,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, requires some optimism verging on naive thinking
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  Speaker 3: to think about. I could say that in a smarter way.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to take it again. There are three goals.
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  Speaker 5: Shut up.
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  Speaker 3: If you laugh, the edit is fucked.
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  Speaker 6: All about the edit.
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  Speaker 3: Look, there's a lot of people here. So many more
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  Speaker 3: people will hear it at home. So I can seem
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  Speaker 3: dumb for you as long as I seem slightly less dumb.
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  Speaker 12: Welcome to our world.
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  Speaker 3: Now we can leave it in.
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  Speaker 4: It's all fine.
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  Speaker 3: But no, but I feel like there's three goals out
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  Speaker 3: of these hearings. One, I think, is making this political
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  Speaker 3: argument about the importance of defending our democracy. Two is
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  Speaker 3: around reforms that we need to protect our democracy. And
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  Speaker 3: I think it is far more important to think about
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  Speaker 3: the efforts to overturn the election that were happening long
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  Speaker 3: before January 6th. We know that they're going to secure the.
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  Speaker 3: I can only hope that there will be far more
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  Speaker 3: efforts to protect the Capitol in the future. But the
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  Speaker 3: third piece, which is the part I think we're all
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  Speaker 3: a little bit reluctant to think about or talk about,
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  Speaker 3: is the criminal case being made right now against the
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  Speaker 3: people that were involved, including Donald Trump. And what was
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  Speaker 3: striking in this hearing, to your point about what's new,
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  Speaker 3: is how much evidence they laid out about Donald Trump
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  Speaker 3: knowing in real time that their claims about election fraud
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  Speaker 3: are bullshit. That's the beginning of an argument about his
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  Speaker 3: criminal responsibility. And what I hope to see in the
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  Speaker 3: coming weeks, wherever they go, is I wanna hear less
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  Speaker 3: words about, I wanna hear less about tearing our democracy asunder, sedition, coup.
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  Speaker 3: I wanna hear words about like laws, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: federal laws, codes, rules, specific laws that were broken by
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  Speaker 3: these people, fraud committed by these people. Because I do
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  Speaker 3: think like, I know we're all burned and I know
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  Speaker 3: we're all kind of used to a world in which
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump gets away with everything short of murder. But
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  Speaker 3: if they can lay out a case against him, it
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  Speaker 3: is a decision. that someone will have to make as
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  Speaker 3: to whether or not to indict Donald Trump. And I
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  Speaker 3: think when we assume that that won't happen, I think
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  Speaker 3: we help make it true.
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  Speaker 6: Well, how do you think Cheney and Thompson did? Because
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  Speaker 6: I do think Cheney sort of laid out... Cheney said
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  Speaker 6: a couple times tonight what Donald Trump did was criminal.
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  Speaker 1: Like, she just said it.
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  Speaker 6: She sort of went right for the jugular. Benny Thompson
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  Speaker 6: kind of gave like a preamble opening statement. She just
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  Speaker 6: started like, here's what I'm laying out. Here's what he did.
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  Speaker 6: He knew the lie was a lie.
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  Speaker 1: Here's why.
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  Speaker 6: They had the Trump attorney, the attorney for the campaign
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  Speaker 6: being like, yeah, we told him we looked into all
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  Speaker 6: the possible voter fraud out there and there was nothing there.
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  Speaker 6: Bill Barr said the same thing. Like they started proving
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  Speaker 6: the case, which I thought was pretty good. Do you
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  Speaker 6: think Cheney, how do you think they did?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's great.
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  Speaker 3: I think the next piece is, all right, now we
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  Speaker 3: know he knew these claims were bullshit. Now we need
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: to lay out Donald Trump's culpability claims. in the actual
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: plan to overturn the election? What were his conversations like
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: with Giuliani, with Eastman? What was his conversation like when
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: he was calling down to Georgia to try to get
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: this thing overturned? What are the specific steps and actions
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump personally was responsible for in trying to overturn
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: the election? And then also, how does that connect with
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: the threats of violence on January 6th? The efforts to
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: intimidate Mike Pence, what was the outside game to like,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: try to use the pressure from the people outside, the
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: threat of violence as part of this campaign to overturn
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: the election.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: I think she did a good job laying out what
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: we'll find out in each hearing that's coming up. She
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: did scenes at the end of the season premiere of
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: this season on insurrection. She was like, in episode four,
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: we'll learn this.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: It was pretty good.
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: Travell, how compelling did you find the two witnesses, Nick
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: Quested and Caroline Edwards? And why do you think the
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: committee made the decision to launch the hearings in this
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: first primetime hearing by focusing so much on the Proud
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: Boys and the Oath Keepers?
• 19:12
  Speaker 10: Well, I think they think that the broader American public
• 19:17
  Speaker 10: is most interested in that aspect, right? Is most interested
• 19:21
  Speaker 10: in the violence that happened at the insurrection and Um, and,
• 19:25
  Speaker 10: and less perhaps interested in the specific things that Donald Trump,
• 19:31
  Speaker 10: you know, knew or didn't know. Like they, they forecasted it. Um,
• 19:36
  Speaker 10: but I think they wanted to, I mean, they doing six,
• 19:38
  Speaker 10: two hour specials. They, they want to pull you in
• 19:41
  Speaker 10: at the beginning. And like, and the way to do
• 19:43
  Speaker 10: that is this footage that you have not seen from
• 19:46
  Speaker 10: this dude who embedded himself and his team with the
• 19:49
  Speaker 10: Proud Boys. And so I think that it's more his
• 19:53
  Speaker 10: footage than he himself that was particularly compelling. He didn't
• 19:57
  Speaker 10: really say much.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: He complained about not being able to find a hotel.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: It was like a weird place to go and also
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: a weird thing to include.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: He's like, let me tell you about the real tragedy
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: on January 6th. That was his priority. I didn't get
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: a Kempton.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Benny Thompson's like, not even a Kempton? And it wasn't
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: a nice Kempton either.
• 20:16
  Speaker 12: You know how Kemptons are.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's a real range.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing. It used to be you could count
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: on a Kempton.
• 20:20
  Speaker 12: You used to count on a Kempton.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: But now they've expanded.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: They put the Kempton shampoo in there and they're like, oh,
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: it's a Kempton.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: They'll put a Kempton name on anything these days.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: They dump.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: And it was very compelling.
• 20:31
  Speaker 14: Thanks to our sponsor, Kempton.
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: But I do think a key part of their case
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: is that the violence that we saw at the Capitol
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: was not sporadic.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: Because I think that there's probably some American people that
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: think that. It's just it could be a riot. The
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: right has been pushing that for a while. And by
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: focusing on the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers, and
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: obviously some Proud Boys have been charged with seditious conspiracy
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: by the Department of Justice, they can say, look, the
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: attack itself was not just sporadic violence. It was a
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: coordinated attack on the Capitol. So Republicans have been sort
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: of split on how to respond to these hearings. They've
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: been kind of all over the place.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Obviously, Trump.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: And the House Republicans want to hit back hard. We've
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: already seen some of that from the House Republicans. Senate
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: Republicans are trying to just avoid talking about it altogether.
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: They want to pretend it doesn't exist. Fox News is
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: the only primetime network that just chose not to cover
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: the hearing at all tonight. In fact, Tucker did his
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: show without any commercial breaks. so that no one could
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: change the channel.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: But see, that's also.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: That's turning a bug into a feature because he's lost
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: so many sponsors.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Right. So it's like.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: They actually have a lot... Mostly it's just promo for
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Fox Business.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: So they don't... Dan, what do you make of the
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: various Republican responses here?
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: I want to hit on the Fox News thing for
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: one second because this is almost a moment of journalistic
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: ethics from Fox because they have a massive conflict of
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: interest here.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: Like, I mean, in all seriousness, I mean, they are.
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: January 6th has not happened without Fox news, right?
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: They spread the big lie.
• 21:59
  Speaker 9: I mean, so much so that they got sued that
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: they had to stop talking about the dominion thing.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: And their host. And then their hosts are in the evidence, right?
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: The text between Mark Meadows, between Laura Ingram, who very
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: famously said, this looks bad for us.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Right. Right.
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: Sean Hannity, Sean Hannity's in there. And so they like, well,
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: how would they cover that?
• 22:19
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: But I think in terms of their broader strategy, there
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: was a story that sort of previewed how the right
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: wing was responsible, so the Trumpist wing of the party,
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: and they had, they were going to do two things.
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: The first was they were going to quote-unquote fire up
• 22:34
  Speaker 9: their channels. That's what Trump instructed the right wing to do,
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: and that is getting Tucker Carlson to put on this
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: conspiracy theorist. It is why Blake Masters, who was Trump's
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: chosen candidate in the Arizona Senate race, was caught on
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: tape the other day saying that the FBI was involved
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: in this. He said a third of the people outside
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: of the Capitol were FBI agents. And Which ties into,
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: I think, the best way to understand all Republican right-wing
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: communication strategy is something Steve Bannon said about impeachment, which
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: is their plan is we're going to flood the zone
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: with shit. Our enemy is not the Democrats, it's the media.
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: They're going to throw as much stuff out there as
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: they possibly can in the hopes that they will convince
• 23:14
  Speaker 9: people to, they'll just confuse people. And the people, and
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: the hard part for us is the people we most
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: need to reach. are not the people who are watching
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: this on MSNBC. They're not the people who are not
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: watching it on Fox. It's the people who don't consume
• 23:28
  Speaker 9: that much media. And they're just kind of hearing about
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: these hearings that they're seeing on social media or they're
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: hearing conversations about it. And they're the people most naturally
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: skeptical of politicians, the political process, and the press.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: And so that's what they're going to try to do.
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: And I think it's going to be hard given how
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: good the presentation has been to date, but they are
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: going to try to flood the zone with as much
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: shit as possible no matter how stupid and fake that
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: shit is and at every other juncture since the day
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: trump walked down that escalator at trump tower they have
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: succeeded in that strategy you know we can't forget that
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: in trump's impeachment they did this exact same strategy and
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: over the course of the impeachment hearings trump's approval rating
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: went up and support for impeachment went down.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah and i look and you've made this point dan
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: but i think all of us have agency here right
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: like we all have the power to amplify this in
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: all of the, like, to tweet it, to post it,
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: to talk to friends about it. Like, there's a lot of,
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: on the Democratic side, you know, rightly, we've been talking
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: about this, like, worrying that this isn't going to make
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: a difference, wondering how it's going to make a difference. Well,
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: we can make it make a difference by talking about
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: it a lot, like they do. That's what they do
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: on the right. They amplify the shit all the time.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really would like to have fewer people talk
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: about how they don't think something's going to matter. It
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: is so.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: It is such a waste of self-fulfilling. It's just like,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: no one's going to care about this. I was like, sure,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: if that's your attitude.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: That guarantees it right there.
• 24:59
  Speaker 9: I think, John, you make a really important point because
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: the right thinks about how they communicate with their audience
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: so much differently than the left generally does, which is
• 25:07
  Speaker 9: Tucker Carlson is having that person on his show, not
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: just because he wants the four million people who are
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: watching Tucker Carlson to know that fake conspiracy theory, He
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: knows that those people are going to go out and
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: share that conspiracy theory. And Democrats have to think that way.
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: And I saw some, I don't know what the committee
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: actually did, but I saw some people complaining to me
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: on Twitter that they weren't putting clips out for people
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: to share. Like they, like there should be hopefully, and
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: maybe it'll be tomorrow, but some of like a short
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: version of some of the clips or like the, the
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: bill bar clip or any of those things that, People
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: that all of us could share in posts on our
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: channels and share with people who did not get a
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: chance to watch the hearing.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: That's right. All right. We will be back in a
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: bit with some more news.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: We'd like to give a big shout out to everyone
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: here in our live audience who missed the January 6th hearings,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: ventured out during the Summit of the Americas, and most
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: grueling of all, braved parking downtown.
• 26:18
  Speaker 12: Calm down.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: To join us tonight. As a thank you, we've got
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: a very special California edition of... Okay, stop. You all
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: know how this works. We're going to play a video.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I'm going to stop the video. Everyone is going to
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: shit talk this video, which features Jesse Waters making water.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: Waters?
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: What kind of A is it?
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I forget. Waters.
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: Zzz.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Waters.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Waters? Waters World.
• 26:50
  Speaker 13: Waters.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Making. This features. This is a video that features Jesse
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Waters making what he even acknowledges is a terrible analogy,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: which is like Hunter Biden saying he's got a terrible
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: business idea. Not ready yet. We're just not going to
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: do it. That's fine. Let's roll the clip.
• 27:08
  Speaker 15: I'm looking at California tonight because, my God, they have
• 27:11
  Speaker 15: suffered such a brain drain over the last couple decades.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: Wealth has been walking away.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I would say that Jesse Waters knows what it's like
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: to live without having nearly enough brains. Because I don't
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: think he's bright.
• 27:26
  Speaker 13: You know?
• 27:27
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: These have been tough times for California. What have we lost?
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro?
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: That's funny. All right, let's keep going.
• 27:41
  Speaker 15: That recall didn't stick. And this summer, you're probably going
• 27:44
  Speaker 15: to see brownouts, blackouts, $ 10 gas. You can only water
• 27:48
  Speaker 15: your lawn every Tuesday. You can't even use a gas
• 27:52
  Speaker 15: grill or oven or something like that.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: So they're far gone. Okay, stop. He kind of got
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: us there.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: He did leave out all the wildfires.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Excuse me.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: We're also dealing with a lot of coyotes. So don't
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: sleep on the coyotes. Sometimes they'll eat the grass. Nobody
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: tell them about June Gloom.
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: Is that gas grill thing real?
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: We'll find out.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I'm being influenced by misinformation.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: What are they called?
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Reach codes?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: What's that? What is it?
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. There was some misinformation out there about how
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: this was going to be the end of Korean barbecue,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: which is why I voted for Rick Caruso. I didn't.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I don't think he would. He doesn't have a plan
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: on Korean barbecue, but push comes to shove. If there's
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: one of them that would keep it, I figured it
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: would be him, but I didn't do that. I'm joking,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: because it turns out that wasn't true, because the Korean
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: barbecue can stay. I confirm that.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Please roll it.
• 29:04
  Speaker 12: Keep going.
• 29:05
  Speaker 15: It's such a beautiful state with such sublime coastline. Permission
• 29:09
  Speaker 15: to make a terrible analogy.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: And hold my hand.
• 29:12
  Speaker 15: California's like a hot girl who's very, very dumb and very, very.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: It's just....
• 29:23
  Speaker 14: Holding her hand makes it so much worse.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: But she's doing it. She's allowing. She's like, yeah.
• 29:30
  Speaker 14: Why does she do that?
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Dana Perino. She wants to kill him. Dana Perino.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Look at your life.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Look at your choices. Look at what you've become.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: You have become.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: A human shield in front of a man who has
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: never had a platonic friendship with a woman. Go back
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: to the good old days when you were selling us.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: Into the Iraq war.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Come on, you took this country to war.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Also, look at Tulsi Gabbard hanging out on stage there.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Not saying anything. I have some sort of a joke
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: about it. I can't stop myself. The point is it's
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: for money.
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: What?
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: I was going to say, fun fact about Jesse Waters.
• 30:08
  Speaker 9: He admitted the other day that he let the air
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: out of his now wife's tires when he was trying
• 30:14
  Speaker 9: to get her to date him.
• 30:15
  Speaker 12: That's right.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: That's not a joke. That's a true thing that he did.
• 30:17
  Speaker 11: Well, she also worked. She worked at Fox News. In turn,
• 30:20
  Speaker 11: she worked for him, I believe. And he was like, oh,
• 30:22
  Speaker 11: I let the air out of her tires, so I
• 30:23
  Speaker 11: had to give her a ride home.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: Works every time.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: And he said, but it's okay because we're married now.
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: People say romance is dead.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: Some psycho shit.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: You straight people are weird.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: I just... You can't just hold a woman's hand and
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: then say something misogynist.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Like, doesn't... What does Jesse Waters think holding Dana Perino's
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: hand is doing?
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Is that the end of the clip?
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Let me explain.
• 30:56
  Speaker 15: You stay with her because she's very beautiful, but she's
• 30:59
  Speaker 15: also going to bankrupt you or probably get you hurt.
• 31:02
  Speaker 15: And that's where Californians are right now.
• 31:06
  Speaker 12: Yeah, somebody's going to get hurt, buddy.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: Let me explain.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: I'm horrible.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: It was a bad analogy. He was right about that.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a bad analogy.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Very right.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: We don't like it.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: That was correct.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: He spent his one fleeting moment of self-awareness on that.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: It's also funny to be like, California, ugh. It's like, people,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: at some point in the clip, he's like, everyone's always
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: moving there.
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: It's a big state with lots of people who are there.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: That restaurant's terrible. You can never get in. We should
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: build a lot more houses, though.
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Well, we're about to talk about that now.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: And that's okay, stop.
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: Speaking of California, Tuesday was election day here in California.
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: But the early results make it clear that even in
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: the biggest, bluest cities in the country's biggest, bluest state,
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: progressives have some work to do. So in San Francisco,
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: just a couple months after overwhelming majorities voted to recall
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: three progressive school board members, 60% of voters chose to
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: recall progressive prosecutor Chesa Bodine. who had put in place
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: reforms like eliminating cash bail and reducing the number of
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: people sent to prison. And here in Los Angeles, the
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: top two finishers in an extremely low turnout Democratic primary
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: for mayor that was dominated by issues of crime and
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: homelessness are ex-Republican billionaire Rick Caruso, who has 42% of
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: the vote. Yeah, I know. 42% of the vote with more,
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: it's about 60% of the vote counted at this point.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: And Democratic Congresswoman Karen Bass, who has 30%.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: So now is the part of the show where one
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: by one we're going to see who here voted Caruso.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Because I know you're in here.
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: Somebody definitely did.
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: So the two candidates now will face each other in
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: a runoff this November, a midterm election, where control of
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: the U.S. House could also come down to California once again,
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: specifically Southern California. Cook Political Report rates three House races
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: as lean Democratic, one as lean Republican, and three as
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: pure toss-ups right here in California. So a lot of
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: attention on the mayor's race, but we got some big
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: House races here that we should pay attention to. But
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: let's start with the recall of Chesa Boudin. So there's
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: an argument that his defeat was the result of unique
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: circumstances in this one race with this one candidate. And
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: there's an argument that it's indicative of a broader backlash
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: against progressive criminal justice reformers. Tommy, former San Francisco resident,
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: what do you think?
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: Thanks.
• 33:46
  Speaker 11: So, like, clearly concern about crime has increased across the country.
• 33:52
  Speaker 12: I'm not arguing against that.
• 33:53
  Speaker 11: I do think, though, that there is an argument that
• 33:56
  Speaker 11: Chesa Boudin and the situation in San Francisco could be
• 34:00
  Speaker 11: specific to him, specific to his race. versus the canary
• 34:03
  Speaker 11: in the coal mine that is going to take out
• 34:05
  Speaker 11: all these progressive DAs. I left San Francisco in 2017,
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: but even then, people were really concerned about just sort
• 34:12
  Speaker 11: of the open air drug use. People were overdosing all
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: the time. It was like a really concerning thing in
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: downtown San Francisco. San Francisco residents felt like crime was
• 34:23
  Speaker 11: increasing and out of control.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: And whether or.
• 34:25
  Speaker 11: Not statistically that was true, they also felt like Chesa
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: Boudin and his office were not really speaking to their concerns.
• 34:32
  Speaker 11: And then I think the thing that hurt him the
• 34:34
  Speaker 11: most in this race was.
• 34:36
  Speaker 12: One specific case.
• 34:37
  Speaker 11: It was a guy named Troy McAllister, who I might
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: butcher some of these details, but I think this guy
• 34:41
  Speaker 11: had like eight felony convictions and then was arrested again,
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: was allowed to negotiate a plea, was released on bail,
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: was arrested five more times, not charged, and then stole
• 34:54
  Speaker 11: a car on New Year's Eve. hit two women going
• 34:57
  Speaker 11: 60 miles an hour downtown in San Francisco and killed
• 35:00
  Speaker 11: them both. And that, for understandable reasons, is an absolutely
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: devastating argument against this prosecutor. And there were a bunch
• 35:10
  Speaker 11: of prosecutors who Chesa fired early on, others who resigned,
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: who said that he had gone beyond just a very
• 35:18
  Speaker 11: admirable goal of reducing mass incarceration and and was instead
• 35:25
  Speaker 11: not prosecuting violent criminals. And I'm not here to litigate
• 35:28
  Speaker 11: what was or wasn't happening. I think that when you're
• 35:31
  Speaker 11: a DA, you get blamed for things that judges do,
• 35:34
  Speaker 11: that cops don't do when they fail to arrest people
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: or when they fail to close cases. But I do
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: think the point is, the night that Chesa Boudin lost
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: the recall, progressive DAs in nearby counties and in Oakland
• 35:47
  Speaker 11: won their races. And Larry Krasner was recently re-elected in Philadelphia,
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: another progressive DA. So my point is just like TBD
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: if this is a signal that there is this broader
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: trend happening and that progressive DAs are in big trouble electorally.
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: But I also understand why people who woke up the
• 36:05
  Speaker 11: other morning and read the New York Times and it
• 36:07
  Speaker 11: took the Chase Laboudine race in San Francisco and then
• 36:10
  Speaker 11: Caruso taking first place in the primary here after outspending
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: Karen Bass 10 to 1 and felt like, you know,
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: this is not really a trend story as much as
• 36:20
  Speaker 11: sandwiching two examples together and deciding that progressives are.
• 36:25
  Speaker 12: In big trouble, right? I mean, I think like time
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: will tell is really the answer.
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: Dan, current Bay Area resident, what's your take on what
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: these results can and can't tell us?
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: This is one of those situations that like Twitter was
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: not built for, which is nuance.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: Like, I think it is definitely true that it is
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: true that crime has gone up in some places in
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: this country. It is true that concern about crime has
• 36:49
  Speaker 9: gone up everywhere. Chesa Boudin lost. There are a lot
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: of very specific reasons for that. Concern about crime in
• 36:57
  Speaker 9: San Francisco is one of them. But Tommy makes this
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: really important point, which is the idea that this is
• 37:01
  Speaker 9: the end of progressive criminal justice reform-oriented prosecutors does not
• 37:07
  Speaker 9: live up to the facts right here, because as Tommy
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: points out, in Alameda County, which is right across the
• 37:12
  Speaker 9: bay from San Francisco, which has Oakland, whose murder rate
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: is four times higher than San Francisco's this past year,
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: Pamela Price is leading that primary.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: She's a civil rights attorney.
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: She was running against a tough-on-crime, someone running on a
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: tough-on-crime platform in Contra Costa County, which is next door
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: to Alameda County. Amanda Becton, who is the district attorney
• 37:33
  Speaker 9: and who ran originally on a progressive criminal justice reform platform,
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: she won her primary. She got over 50% and has
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: been reelected. And so I'm not saying this to dismiss
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: the importance of crime, both as a substantive issue and
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: a political issue.
• 37:46
  Speaker 16: It varies.
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: But I think we're trying to connect two things, which
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: is because people are concerned about crime, that means that
• 37:54
  Speaker 9: all of these progressive DAs are done and that we're
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: just going to go back from the, like we're somehow
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: going to turn the clock back to like tough on
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: crime 90s bullshit. I don't think that is necessary or accurate.
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: I don't think the election results say that.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about what happened here in LA.
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: Travelle, what are some of the reasons you think a
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: city that in the 2020 primary was voted for Bernie
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: Sanders over Joe Biden, just voted for an ex-Republican billionaire
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: over a black Democratic congresswoman who's been a social justice
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: activist for most of her life?
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Such a heavy question there.
• 38:31
  Speaker 10: Well, first and foremost, I think that even though we
• 38:35
  Speaker 10: live in this alleged liberal enclave, that our culture and
• 38:42
  Speaker 10: our society hates black women. And I think that contributes
• 38:47
  Speaker 10: to that's like some of the unspoken stuff that we
• 38:50
  Speaker 10: don't talk about when it comes to like politics. And
• 38:53
  Speaker 10: I think that has something to play with it here.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: But also Rick Caruso ads.
• 38:59
  Speaker 14: Was all over the place.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Everywhere.
• 39:01
  Speaker 14: Like everywhere.
• 39:02
  Speaker 10: If I wasn't involved in what a day and whatnot,
• 39:06
  Speaker 10: I would have thought he was the only one running.
• 39:08
  Speaker 10: And I know who Karen Bass is.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 39:11
  Speaker 10: Like he has ads, you know, on YouTube videos. He
• 39:15
  Speaker 10: has like literally everywhere. And I think because he's able to,
• 39:22
  Speaker 10: you know, a lot of folks don't do the research
• 39:25
  Speaker 10: that you all are so, you know, in-depth in doing
• 39:28
  Speaker 10: about him being an ex-Republican, about his record as relates to,
• 39:34
  Speaker 10: you know, the right to choose. He's saying and exploiting
• 39:40
  Speaker 10: people's fears, as you mentioned, about crime, about homelessness. Um,
• 39:46
  Speaker 10: in our city.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: Um, and that sounds good to people.
• 39:49
  Speaker 10: And then also you got, you know, Kim Kardashian endorsing
• 39:52
  Speaker 10: him and Katy Perry and Snoop Dogg for some odd reason. Um,
• 39:57
  Speaker 10: and I think all, and so I should say also,
• 40:00
  Speaker 10: those were the only endorsements that I saw. A lot
• 40:02
  Speaker 10: of people also endorsed, a lot of celebrities also endorsed
• 40:05
  Speaker 10: Karen Bass. But the only one I saw was Ariana Grande,
• 40:08
  Speaker 10: and she did that the day before, right? So I
• 40:10
  Speaker 10: think that all of that together creates kind of this
• 40:15
  Speaker 10: uphill battle for Karen Bass. And, you know, homie got
• 40:20
  Speaker 10: all this money, and he's spending it. And if you
• 40:24
  Speaker 10: can't get in front of the people or in front
• 40:26
  Speaker 10: of his ads, it's unfortunately fighting a losing game. And
• 40:31
  Speaker 10: then I also think, The people are tired. I don't
• 40:34
  Speaker 10: think the reason why there's lower voter turnout.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Is because people are tired.
• 40:41
  Speaker 10: Every election that we have had since I've been voting
• 40:44
  Speaker 10: has been the election.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Of our lives.
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: We've been battling for the soul of our nation since 2008, y'all.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: And people are tired.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: I'm tired.
• 40:57
  Speaker 10: Also, you know, there were too many people on that
• 41:00
  Speaker 10: goddamn ballot. And so you check the box of the
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: person whose name you heard before, because there's 12 motherfuckers?
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Like, what's going on? A lot of people.
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: Well, Lovett, that brings up, like, okay, let's talk about
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: the runoff in November, because now, you know, Karen Bass's
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: name ID is going to be much higher. Everyone knows
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: there's two candidates. How does Karen Bass win this thing
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: in November? Like, what is the best message about Caruso,
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: what's the best message about herself?
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: What do you think?
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Stepping back, I think it's absolutely true that Caruso blanketing
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: the airways with ads mattered, but I think we also
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: have to admit that there was a soft target there.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: When I think about a city that voted for Bernie,
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: then in a primary giving more than 40% to someone
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: like Caruso, when I think of a city electing and
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: then rejecting someone like Chesa Boudin, what I see is
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: people who want progressive leadership They do. They want it.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: They want progressive leadership. They want to believe in their
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: progressive leaders. They want to believe in their capacity to
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: address homelessness, address what people view as rising crime in
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: a humane, progressive way that respects the humanity of the
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: people that are desperately in need, that are in crisis.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: But if there is a concern that those progressives aren't listening,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: then I think there's a lot of people when faced
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: with a choice between sticking with a progressive who they
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: don't think is answering their concerns on the instability they
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: see in their community, sitting at their dining room table
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: in their voting booth, they make a less progressive decision.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: I think we just should be honest about that. And
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: when we talked to Karen Bass on Pond Save America,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: I think she understands that. I think she has faced
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of criticism for the left for speaking to
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: some of the concerns that Rick Caruso is trying to
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: make a headway on. So I think We have to
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: make sure people are listening and open to a progressive answer,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: but that means meeting people where they are. I see
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: a lot of pundits who do kind of normative politics
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: instead of descriptive politics. They say, oh, the media is
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: hyping crime. The crime concern is overblown. Oh, the media
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: is conflating increases in homelessness and increases in the unhoused
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: with crime, even though you can't necessarily see in the
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: statistics that crime is rising. But let's be descriptive. People
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: are making that connection. You have to answer people who
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: are making that connection, that when people see rising homelessness,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: they see it as a fundamental failure, right? A failure
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: of government, a failure of policing, a failure of our society,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: a failure of our economy. And we need to make
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: sure that we're speaking to that concern so that people
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: keep listening to us when we offer a progressive answer.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: I think that's why Karambas has faced some criticism from
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: the left, but I think as long as we can say, hey,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: this guy, Rick Caruso, he thinks he wants you to
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: shut off your brain. He wants you to say he
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: can fix it.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Well, guess what?
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: LA has a weak fucking mayor. And oh, you don't
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: know what the Board of Supervisors does. And you don't
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: know how all this is going to work together. And actually,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: you need somebody with experience and the ability to bring
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: people together and sit down and talk about this as
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: a hard problem. No, you can't just say in 300
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: days you're going to solve this problem with magic. You
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: have to build more housing. You have to get stakeholders together.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of hard, difficult, complicated work that has
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: to be done with a community all together, not one
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: billionaire who built the Grove and is looking for a hobby.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: The Grove is nice, though.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: And The Grove is great. We love The Grove. I
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: disagree with this message of defunding The Grove. I don't
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: support defunding The Grove. Listen, I'll get a Wetzel's Pretzels
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: and go shopping. Rick Caruso isn't wrong about The Grove
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: being great. But the one last thing I'll say about
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: all these celebrities, which is something that has bothered me
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: for a very long time... I think because the Republican
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Party is so toxic and heinous and anti-gay and anti-trans
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: and anti-woman, that there's a lot of homeless, cosmopolitan conservatives.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: And it is remarkable how quickly so many people who
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: have donated to Democrats and claim to be Democrats just
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: jumped right on board with an ex-Republican billionaire who basically says, like,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: I'll take care of it for you. You know, like
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: a little kind of, just a twinge of, like, cosmopolitan authoritarianism.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Just a little bit.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: A little bit.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: A little bit.
• 45:19
  Speaker 12: That's all.
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: I do think, like, that is the sort of the
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: message about Caruso that seems to me the most effective here. Because, look,
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: how many times have we criticized Terry McAuliffe for running
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: a race against Glenn Youngkin, calling him, you know, Glenn
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: Trumpkin and making him Trump? Like, I've seen a lot
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: of people call, I think it's going to be very
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: hard to sell Rick Caruso as Donald Trump, as some fascist.
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: I think it is easier and probably more effective to
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: sell Rick Caruso as is a really fucking rich guy
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: who is bored and wants a job that he actually
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: can't do really well. When you run against someone, you
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: gotta think, what is true? What is true about this person?
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: And what is true about Rick Russo is clearly that
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: he's a rich fucking bored guy. He's talking about his,
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: qualifications to run for mayor and he's like oh I
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: did the police commission and blah blah crime went down
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: he like missed half the meetings on the police commission
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: he barely showed up like this is not a guy
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: who has spent a lot of time thinking about how
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: to fix LA and like Karen Bass has to actually
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: make that case and the more that we exaggerate the
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: threat of Rick Caruso the less people are going to believe.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Us yeah and I and like I think when you
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: say like oh you know Rick Caruso is like there's
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: a lot of stuff Rick Caruso is saying he can
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: do that he simply can't do It's just not within
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: his power to do it. It is a weak mayorship.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: There's judicial rulings that make a lot of what he
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: wants to do very, very difficult. He is over-promising, and
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: he will under-deliver. You need someone who actually understands how
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: the government works, especially in Los Angeles, when we have
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: a weak mayor. I think we should have a stronger mayor.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: I don't like this board of supervisors running amok, just
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: putting Barbara Ferrer in charge of this whole fucking city.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: It's out there.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: It's out there.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: My coalition is growing.
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: Dan, I just want to ask just on the broader
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: issue of the concerns out there about crime and homelessness
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: and gun violence now also. How do you think Democratic
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: candidates should be running on these issues, talking about these
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: issues in their races all across the country? Are these
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: issues that are sort of like specific to some of
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: these city races specific? Or are these issues that Democrats
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: are going to find themselves talking about in all of
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: these competitive races across the country?
• 47:32
  Speaker 9: Crime is a very complex issue because there are people
• 47:37
  Speaker 9: who are experiencing this increase in crime in very real ways.
• 47:40
  Speaker 9: And a lot of them are Democrats. They live in
• 47:43
  Speaker 9: cities that are primarily Democrat. And so that is affecting them.
• 47:49
  Speaker 9: But we also have to understand that this is not
• 47:51
  Speaker 9: a debate that's happening on the level. Crime is a
• 47:55
  Speaker 9: proxy for race in Republican messaging. Because there is very
• 47:59
  Speaker 9: little evidence in polling about a relationship between the crime
• 48:04
  Speaker 9: rate where you live.
• 48:05
  Speaker 12: And your concern about crime.
• 48:08
  Speaker 9: This is what the Willie Horton ad was about. This
• 48:11
  Speaker 9: is what calling undocumented people rapists from Donald Trump. All
• 48:17
  Speaker 9: of that is about scaring a mainly white Republican base
• 48:21
  Speaker 9: into turning out. And so when you take that issue on,
• 48:27
  Speaker 9: if you treat what the Republicans say on the level,
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: you're playing their game. And so I think you have
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: to do it in a couple of ways. And one
• 48:35
  Speaker 9: is you have to, like as Lovett said, you have
• 48:41
  Speaker 9: to meet people where they are, but you don't have
• 48:43
  Speaker 9: to immediately become Republican light or say we're tough on
• 48:47
  Speaker 9: crime or just shout fund the police at the top
• 48:49
  Speaker 9: of your lungs. I think you have to hit the
• 48:52
  Speaker 9: Republicans for exploiting an issue, for trying to exploit the
• 48:56
  Speaker 9: people's fears on this issue to keep America divided, and
• 48:59
  Speaker 9: then not being willing to do anything about one of
• 49:01
  Speaker 9: the biggest parts of crime, which is guns, right? And
• 49:05
  Speaker 9: so you take it in that direction because if you just,
• 49:08
  Speaker 9: like we are never, there has never been a Democrat
• 49:11
  Speaker 9: in history who has been able to out tough on
• 49:15
  Speaker 9: crime a Republican because of what the issue really means
• 49:18
  Speaker 9: to a lot of people. And so we got to
• 49:20
  Speaker 9: find a way to take the issue and pivot it
• 49:21
  Speaker 9: to where we're stronger.
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: And of course, we don't want to leave all the
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: work to Democratic candidates because then where would we be?
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: Plenty of work for all of us to do between
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: now and November. As I mentioned earlier, control of the
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: House could come down to a handful of seats here
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: in Southern California. We also need to protect Senate seats
• 49:38
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• 49:42
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• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Hold on a second. How many people just applauded that
• 50:02
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• 50:08
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• 50:12
  Speaker 6: It's also true that voting is absolutely necessary, but it's
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: not enough. We can't wait until November to organize, speak out,
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: hold our elected officials accountable on the issues that we
• 50:22
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  Speaker 6: And we are very lucky to be joined tonight by
• 50:35
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• 50:37
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• 50:41
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• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Hello, everybody.
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  Speaker 7: We're the Los Angeles organizers for the March for Our
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  Speaker 7: your pod to talk about the upcoming March for Our
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  Speaker 7: Lives in D.C., L.A., and across the country. This Saturday,
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  Speaker 7: we are marching again because our lives are being cut
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  Speaker 7: short and our elected officials are failing us because they
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: are choosing the gun lobby over saving our lives. It
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: is completely outrageous and demoralizing that in this age and time,
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  Speaker 7: we have yet to pass common sense solutions to the
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: gun violence epidemic in our legislature. This responsibility falls solely
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: on the shoulders of our legislatures. Since our last march,
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: we've been burying our peers, our siblings, our parents.
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  Speaker 2: Our neighbors, and our community members.
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  Speaker 7: We battle this epidemic with strongly worded, meaningless statements, thoughts,
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• 51:43
  Speaker 7: last week, I was studying for my permit test where
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: we were taught that the leading cause of deaths in
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: children were car accidents. But since 2020, it's been mass shootings.
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: There were over 50,000 gun death-related issues in 2020. This
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: year alone, there has been over 200 mass shootings. This
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: year alone. That's more than the days that we've been
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: having this year. 200, we have had less days than that.
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: To live another day, we do not have any choices.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: This is why we march.
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: This march is not about celebrity concerts or TV productions.
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: It's about rage, a fight for our lives, When we march,
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: we demand action, actual, tangible legislatures led by students and
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: teachers who are somehow experts on how to barricade a
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: door or how to make a makeshift tourniquet. Our simple
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: message is legislatures must have the courage to stand up
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: against the powerful gun lobby and protect the people that
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: they were elected to serve. Our demands are simple. Raise
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: the gun possession age to 21 years old. ban assault
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: rifles and high capacity magazines. Invest in care-related and care-based
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: school threat prevention systems by investing in social workers and
• 53:17
  Speaker 7: school psychologists. These policies are based in fact, they are
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: based in common sense, and they are popular. The voters
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: of tomorrow have been living in haunted.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Fear for will they leave school.
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: In a casket or on a bus? The voters of
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: tomorrow will put in gun-sense candidates into office who will
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: listen to our demands and fight for our lives. We
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: are marching again because we know that our lawmakers will listen.
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: After the first March of Our Lives in 2018 following
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: the tragedy in Parkland, over 150 life-saving laws were passed
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: across the country. So we ask you to join us
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: this Saturday, June 11th, at Los Angeles, D.C., New York, Boston,
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: and 400 cities across this great nation. To find a
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: march near you, text MARCH to 954-954. And for all
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: of you in the crowd or listening in at home
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: here in L.A., we urge you to come march with
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: us this Saturday at City Hall South Lawn at 12
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: to 3 p.m. and wear blue to show your support.
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: For more information and details, check out our Instagram and
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: Twitter at MFOLLA22. Thank you and.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: We'll see you there.
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Anna.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Shadi.
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: When we come back, Tommy talks to White House National Security.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Advisor Jake Sullivan.
• 55:19
  Speaker 11: I am thrilled to invite to the stage Joe Biden's
• 55:21
  Speaker 11: National Security Advisor and my friend Jake Sullivan.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: Great to see you.
• 55:32
  Speaker 14: We've got you, Mike.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: Welcome to Los Angeles.
• 55:38
  Speaker 14: Thanks for having me.
• 55:39
  Speaker 16: And I apologize in advance, I guess not in advance
• 55:42
  Speaker 16: because it's been going on a couple days, for the traffic.
• 55:44
  Speaker 14: I'm sorry about that.
• 55:46
  Speaker 12: I'm glad you owned up to that early, Jake.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: So you're in town.
• 55:51
  Speaker 11: Look, Jake's a national security advisor. I was the guy
• 55:54
  Speaker 11: under the guy under the guy who would have worked
• 55:56
  Speaker 11: for him, like seven levels deep.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: So.
• 56:00
  Speaker 11: You're in town for the Summit of the Americas. Summits
• 56:03
  Speaker 11: are near and dear to my heart. You get to
• 56:05
  Speaker 11: see convention centers. You get a new lanyard. You get
• 56:09
  Speaker 11: branded pens. This summit in particular brings together the hemisphere.
• 56:14
  Speaker 11: So like Canada to Argentina, right?
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Basically.
• 56:20
  Speaker 11: Two questions about the summit for you. And this first
• 56:22
  Speaker 11: one will sound like a softball, but if you get
• 56:23
  Speaker 11: it wrong, these people will storm the stage and take
• 56:26
  Speaker 11: you out. What is, like, the elevator pitch for all
• 56:30
  Speaker 11: the L.A. residents in the audience tonight for why you
• 56:33
  Speaker 11: guys are snarling up all of downtown, this ungodly traffic?
• 56:37
  Speaker 11: What is the benefit to them to America?
• 56:40
  Speaker 14: That's a softball?
• 56:41
  Speaker 12: Yes.
• 56:43
  Speaker 16: So first, I have to say, Tommy, I was reflecting
• 56:46
  Speaker 16: backstage before coming out. I believe that I was a
• 56:48
  Speaker 16: guest on your very first episode of Pod Save the World.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God, yeah.
• 56:53
  Speaker 14: That's true.
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 56:55
  Speaker 16: I was watching this unfold tonight and I feel like
• 56:58
  Speaker 16: I'm personally responsible for all of it.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: I think that's right.
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 57:01
  Speaker 12: You're a seed investor. Yeah, exactly.
• 57:05
  Speaker 16: So you're right about the lanyards, the dinners, the pins,
• 57:12
  Speaker 16: the mags that you got, you know, the metal detectors
• 57:15
  Speaker 16: you have to walk through, all the things that you
• 57:17
  Speaker 16: see and the set piece events that all of these
• 57:22
  Speaker 16: summits basically have as cookie cutters, whether you're in Asia
• 57:26
  Speaker 16: or Europe or the Americas. But I will say that
• 57:30
  Speaker 16: behind the scenes, and I mean this sincerely, real work
• 57:33
  Speaker 16: is actually getting done. President Biden today, just as an example,
• 57:37
  Speaker 16: met with the prime minister of Canada, the president of Brazil,
• 57:41
  Speaker 16: the president of Chile, and the 14 leaders of the
• 57:44
  Speaker 16: Caribbean nations. And kind of to put it simply, they
• 57:48
  Speaker 16: nerded out, um, With the Prime Minister of Canada, it
• 57:52
  Speaker 16: was about critical mineral supply chains so that we don't
• 57:55
  Speaker 16: have to rely on China to make electric vehicle batteries.
• 57:58
  Speaker 12: I like that.
• 57:59
  Speaker 16: With the President of Brazil, it was how can the
• 58:03
  Speaker 16: United States put real skin in the game, billions of dollars,
• 58:07
  Speaker 16: to help countries like Brazil preserve the Amazon so that
• 58:09
  Speaker 16: it remains a carbon sink for the world. With the
• 58:14
  Speaker 16: president of Chile, it was about how the energy crisis
• 58:18
  Speaker 16: that is partly sparked by a war 10,000 miles away
• 58:22
  Speaker 16: in Ukraine is hurting working people on the southern tip
• 58:26
  Speaker 16: of South America and how that is a common challenge
• 58:29
  Speaker 16: we all face and what we can do about it.
• 58:32
  Speaker 16: And then with the 14 countries of the Caribbean, it
• 58:35
  Speaker 16: was an extended conversation about how these countries uniquely are
• 58:41
  Speaker 16: facing a challenge coming out of COVID-19 because they import
• 58:45
  Speaker 16: nearly all their food and they import all their fuel.
• 58:49
  Speaker 16: And I don't have to tell all of you that
• 58:50
  Speaker 16: food and fuel prices are up everywhere and it's hitting
• 58:53
  Speaker 16: these countries hard. And they wanted to know not what's
• 58:56
  Speaker 16: the United States going to do for us, but what
• 58:58
  Speaker 16: is a common action plan we can have so that
• 59:00
  Speaker 16: everyone in the Americas does better. And, you know, that's
• 59:05
  Speaker 16: just a sample of the kinds of conversations that are
• 59:08
  Speaker 16: occurring and we will tomorrow be able to tally up
• 59:12
  Speaker 16: true action items on each of these areas, on health, climate, food,
• 59:18
  Speaker 16: economic growth, and a historic migration crisis facing our region
• 59:22
  Speaker 16: that is not just affecting the United States, but every
• 59:25
  Speaker 16: country in this region. Um, so maybe that was a
• 59:29
  Speaker 16: long elevator ride, but, uh, we are staying in a
• 59:31
  Speaker 16: really tall hotel town.
• 59:34
  Speaker 14: So I guess, uh, does.
• 59:34
  Speaker 12: That work for you guys? You're going to start on
• 59:36
  Speaker 12: the stage. I think I like it.
• 59:38
  Speaker 11: Um, you know, and also like, so these summits, you know,
• 59:42
  Speaker 11: when you're bringing together a hemisphere, right, there's going to
• 59:45
  Speaker 11: be countries you agree with, you disagree with. President Biden
• 59:48
  Speaker 11: decided not to invite the governments of Cuba, Venezuela, and
• 59:51
  Speaker 11: Nicaragua to the summit. That led the president of Mexico
• 59:55
  Speaker 11: to boycott, to send his foreign minister instead, and accuse
• 59:59
  Speaker 11: the United States of interventionism.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 12: And really, it drums.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 11: Up this really terrible history that the United States has of,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 11: well before President Biden's time, but of intervention in Latin
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 11: America countries. And I guess my question is just, can
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 11: you help me understand why It's not preferable just to say,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 11: to invite, you know, President Maduro of Venezuela or to
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 11: invite the Cubans and tell them to their faces where
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 11: we disagree, rather than disinvite them and deal with, you know,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 11: this creating this sort of like inter-OAS controversy that, you know,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 11: at least so far in the coverage, kind of distracts
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 11: from the substance of the work you just kind of
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 11: laid out for us.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 7: Sure.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 16: And look, there's a diversity of opinions across the hemisphere
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 16: on this question. Some countries wanted us to invite those leaders.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 16: Some countries did not. And there's a diversity of opinions
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 16: within our country on it. And actually, that's a great
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 16: thing about democracy is we can have that. And actually
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 16: today in the plenary session, the president of Argentina, the
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 16: president of Belize got up and said, with president Biden
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 16: sitting there, we disagree with your decision. You know, we
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 16: don't think that's right. President Biden told them later, you know, um,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 16: that's what makes democracy such a powerful thing, is we
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 16: can have disagreements, we can debate these points out, and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 16: none of us are going to end up in jail.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 16: And the challenge that we faced on the question of
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 16: Cuba in particular, Venezuela is a different case because there's
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 16: actually a divide in the hemisphere over who is recognized
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 16: as the legitimate government of Venezuela. But on the Cuba case,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 16: in the weeks leading up to the summit, we actually
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 16: took some substantive steps to try to ease the burden
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 16: on the people of Cuba, to increase the ability of
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 16: family members in the United States to send remittances to Cuba,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 16: to allow people to fly not just to Havana but
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 16: to other cities, and to establish a situation in which
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 16: we would provide 20,000 visas at our embassy in Havana
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 16: for Cubans to be able to come to the United States,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 16: restarting a program that was suspended under the previous president.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 16: But the Summit of the Americas, going all the way
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 16: back to 2001, when the Inter-American Democratic Charter was adopted
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 16: by the whole region, has always been about setting out
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 16: a vision of the hemisphere as democratic, as a set
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 16: of democratic countries. And actually, the Americas are remarkably democratic.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 16: There are very few outliers. But those countries are outliers.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 16: And the president ultimately concluded that that it did not
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 16: make sense to bring countries who fundamentally didn't agree with
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 16: the basic vision and agenda of the summit. Other countries
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 16: felt differently, and Mexico was one of those. The president
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 16: of Mexico obviously didn't come, but he did send his
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 16: foreign minister, and Mexico was signing on the dotted line
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 16: on a declaration on migration and protection that will be
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 16: a far-reaching hemispheric effort to deal with this crisis. On
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 16: an effort by the major food producers of this hemisphere,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 16: and we have some of the biggest food producers in
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 16: the world, to increase the food supply so that we
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 16: can bring prices down everywhere, especially for those countries facing hunger.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 16: And finally, President Lopez Obrador, every time he talked about it,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 16: and this gets to your point about the history, he
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 16: always said, every day he goes out and does a
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 16: press conference, he says, I disagree with President Biden, but
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 16: I respect President Biden. And I respect President Biden because
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 16: President Biden views the countries of this region as equals,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 16: as sovereign, as partners. And President López Obrador will be
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 16: coming to Washington to meet with President Biden in July
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 16: to carry the work forward. So yes, we have a
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 16: disagreement on the particular question of participation, but actually we
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 16: have a great shared agenda with Mexico.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 14: President Biden and President López.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 16: Obrador have a very strong relationship, and I think that
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 16: will be on display when he comes to Washington in
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 16: a few weeks' time.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 11: I imagine that one of the big topics in all
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 11: these meetings is the ongoing war in Ukraine. And I'll
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 11: be honest, for me personally, when the war started, you
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 11: feel so helpless when you're outside of government. Not that
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 11: I could have done anything about it when I was
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 11: in government, but I was watching this unfold. And even
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 11: during the pandemic, I've never felt more anxious. I've never
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 11: felt like we as a planet were closer together. to
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 11: potential nuclear annihilation. And I think President Biden and the
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 11: national security team deserves an enormous amount of credit for
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 11: the way the United States has responded, for the way
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 11: President Biden has rallied the world in support of Ukraine.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 11: But I was hoping you could just kind of take
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 11: us back to those early days in late February, maybe
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 11: earlier for you.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 12: You're the national security advisor.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 11: You see all the most sensitive intelligence that the United
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 11: States collects. There must have been some point where you
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 11: were sitting in a meeting and you had this aha moment,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 11: like Vladimir Putin is going to not just invade the Donbas,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 11: the eastern part of Ukraine, but try to take over
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 11: the entire country. And you're the guy in the room
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 11: chairing the meeting about the potential start of World War III.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: What was that like?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 12: Can you tell us, can you take us inside that room?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 16: So it wasn't good. I will tell you that. And actually,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 16: it wasn't in February. It was back in October. actually,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 16: in October. You guys are cheering for October?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 14: What the fuck was that? It's a good month.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 12: Yeah, Intel.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 16: Actually, the intelligence community deserves just an enormous amount of
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 16: credit because their ability to identify the risk factors and
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 16: the intent of Vladimir Putin and the Russian Federation to
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 16: brutally invade their neighbors months before it happened is a
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 16: quite remarkable thing. And they had high confidence that this
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 16: invasion was going to occur in the early part of
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 16: 2022 back in October. And so we began to meet
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 16: at the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, the Director
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 16: of National Intelligence, the Director of the CIA, our Ambassador
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 16: to the United Nations. I brought them together on a
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 16: regular cadence through that month, including meetings in the Situation Room,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 16: and then frequently in the Oval Office with the President
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 16: to talk about what we were going to do about it.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 16: And basically, our strategy involved three pieces. One was to
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 16: rally our allies and partners to come up with a
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 16: clear message to the Russians that if they went forward
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 16: with this, they would pay a heavy economic price, we
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 16: would reinforce and fortify NATO, and we would provide the
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 16: Ukrainians with the means to be able to defend themselves
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 16: against the Russian onslaught. But we knew that even sending
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 16: that warning message to the Russians may not deter Vladimir
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 16: Putin because the intelligence community was pretty confident that he
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 16: had pretty much made up his mind.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 14: He was going to do this.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 16: And so we made the decision that we weren't going
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 16: to let him just proceed through November, December, and January,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 16: building up those battalions on the border and then racing
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 16: down the highway to Kyiv. We were going to call
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 16: him out. We were going to present to the world
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 16: declassified information to say, here's what he's going to do,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 16: here's how he's going to do it, and here's roughly
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 16: when he's going to do it, to rob him of
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 16: the element of surprise, but even more importantly, to deny
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 16: him the ability to say it was the Ukrainians who
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 16: started it, or I had no choice, because we were
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 16: able to demonstrate months in advance that this was Putin's
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 16: war of choice. He made this decision. And we believe
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 16: that that helped create the kind of galvanized international response
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 16: that has supported the Ukrainians. Although at the end of
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 16: the day, I think we can all agree, it's really
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 16: the Ukrainians who deserve the credit for what they have
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 16: done to defeat the Russians in Kyiv and to fight
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 16: for their freedom and independence.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 11: Yeah, no, listen, Ukraine, the fight that they have put
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 11: up has been extraordinary. The leadership Zelensky has shown has
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 11: been extraordinary. But like, My job was literally working at
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 11: the intersection of like reporter inquiries and classified information and
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 11: watching you guys declassify all these true movements in real
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 11: time and put all this information. I was like, you know, amazing, frankly,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 11: that you could move that quickly because the apparatus of
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 11: government does not always move quickly. The other thing that
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 11: it's clear is that President Biden wants to support Ukraine,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 11: but not escalate the conflict. And it feels like that's
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 11: a bit of a moving target, right? Like for a while,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 11: there was this debate about, well, should the U.S. facilitate
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 11: the transfer of MiG-29 fighters from NATO countries to Ukraine?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 12: That was viewed as escalatory.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: And then it wasn't.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 11: More recently, there was a discussion about whether to send
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 11: these MLRS rocket systems, these more long-range rocket systems to Ukraine.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 11: It seemed like President Biden didn't want to do it.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 12: Then he did.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 11: Again, it's an evolving situation. Obviously, your thinking is evolving,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 11: but can you just sort of help us understand, like,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 11: what does it mean to not escalate this war to
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 11: a point that, I don't know, makes Putin.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 12: I guess, respond against us in some sort of way?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 14: And look, there's not a mathematical formula.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 16: You can't just punch a given decision into a calculator
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 16: and come out with a clear answer.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 14: This is judgment. And you got to use your best judgment.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 16: And that's what President Biden is trying to do every day,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 16: taking the inputs from his national security team, taking the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 16: inputs from his allies, and taking the inputs from President
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 16: Zelensky and the Ukrainians.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 14: And he's trying to accomplish two things at once.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 16: One, Ensure that at the end of this there is
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 16: a free, independent, sovereign, fiercely proud Ukraine that has the
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 16: means to repel future Russian aggression. And two, avoid World
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 16: War III. And we believe we can accomplish both those things,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 16: but it means that you do need to attend to
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 16: this line between getting Ukraine what it needs to achieve
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 16: Objective 1 without tipping over into the possibility of Objective
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 16: 2 where Russia believes.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 14: it has.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 16: No choice but to respond against the NATO country, against
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 16: the United States directly. And so these multiple launch rocket systems,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 16: the MLRS, that's the gun. And then the question is,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 16: what kind of bullet do you provide to the gun?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 16: And what President Biden concluded was that it made sense
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 16: to provide these munitions that actually give the Ukrainians a
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 16: significant advantage on the battlefield. They can range roughly 80 kilometers,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 16: 50 miles. But he said, I'm not going to provide
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 16: the longest range munitions that can range 300 kilometers because
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 16: those systems could strike deep inside of Russia, and that's
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 16: just a fundamentally different kind of strategic system. Now, is
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 16: there some manual way or book off the shelf, you
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 16: can pull and say, okay, you know.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 14: How to avoid World War III for dummies, yeah. No,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 14: it's judgment.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 16: It's judgment, not just based on how do we avoid escalation,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 16: but judgment based on these two objectives. How do we
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 16: get the Ukrainians what we need without putting ourselves in
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 16: a position where we may be launching a massive world
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 16: war with a nuclear-armed superpower? And we believe that giving
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 16: them this new very sophisticated, very effective system will give
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 16: them the means they need to carry this fight forward
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 16: without tipping over that line. But as you said, it's
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 16: a moving target, not because necessarily our judgment is changing
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 16: every day, but because facts on the ground on the
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 16: battlefield are changing every day. So in the early days
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 16: of the conflict, as the Russians were massing troops north
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 16: of Kiev and trying to take Kiev and a big
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 16: city like Kharkiv, It was really the javelin anti-tank systems
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 16: that were so potent at stopping the advance of these
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 16: armored tank columns and helping the Ukrainians win those massive
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 16: battles and stop Putin from being able to take over
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 16: this country. As the war shifted to the east, it's
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 16: more of an artillery fight. And so Ukraine needs more artillery.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 16: And so part of our thinking is not just about
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 16: from week to week, you know, What can the traffic bear?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 14: It's from week to week.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 16: What do the Ukrainians need, and what can we move
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 16: rapidly to the front? And that's how we do our
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 16: best to think through this. And when I say we,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 16: I mean a combination of the military, the intelligence community,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 16: and ultimately these are decisions a president has to make,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 16: a commander-in-chief has to make. And I, for one, am
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 16: very grateful we have somebody in that job who's got
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 16: judgment and also conviction that we need to stand up
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 16: and help the Ukrainians win this fight.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 12: Last question for you on this.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 11: I mean, I also just sort of worry about the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 11: fact that there's a bit of an asymmetry to this
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 11: fight strategically because it does feel like Vladimir Putin has
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 11: pushed all his chips in the table. It's not just
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 11: that he wants to win the war. It's that his
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 11: entire existence as a strong man and a strong leader
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 11: is now tied up in this effort.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 12: And I don't know if he loses, he get pushed out,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 12: he get off, like God knows what would happen.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 14: And so he is playing this long.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 11: Game, seemingly embedding that Western resolve will weaken because gas
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 11: prices go up, food prices go up. And I think
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 11: historically we've all seen, you know, that makes for tough
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 11: politics for leaders who are trying to do something difficult
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 11: in the face of, you know, sometimes right-wing nationalists who
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 11: try to exploit anger over those issues when a leader
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 11: is trying to do the right thing. So how are
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 11: you guys thinking about maintaining this effort and keeping the West,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 11: this alliance you guys have built together in the long run?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 16: I think it's such a great question, and it actually
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 16: relies on the American people continuing to stay invested in
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 16: this effort because it matters for the people of Ukraine,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 16: and that's reason enough, but it matters for us too.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 16: And I believe that we will and we can. And
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 16: I'll start with an observation, which is Vladimir Putin did
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 16: not expect the reaction he got in the first place.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 16: He miscalculated at the outset. President Biden the other day
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 16: said that he was betting on the Finlandization of NATO
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 16: when he got the NATOization of Finland. He essentially thought
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 16: that the West would not be unified, that the Ukrainians
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 16: would lay down their arms and that he could exploit
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 16: cracks and divisions and essentially, in a few days' time,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 16: take over an entire country. That was a bad miscalculation.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 16: I think equally he is miscalculating about our staying power.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 16: And let me give you two examples for why I
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 16: think that, and I'm not just giving happy talk. The
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 16: first is, on a massively bipartisan basis, the Congress approved
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 16: $ 40 billion in support of Ukraine. And that is a
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 16: sufficient sum for us to be able to sustain this
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 16: effort for months and months. Meaning that, and that's already
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 16: been done. That's in the bank and can now be
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 16: played out over the course of 2022 into 2023. So
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 16: we've already put the investment in and we will be
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 16: able to carry it forward. Second, just a few days ago,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 16: not weeks or months ago, the Europeans approved their sixth
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 16: package of sanctions, which included a wind down ultimately to
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 16: a ban on the purchase of Russian oil borne by
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 16: ships into the European Union. That was a decision that
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 16: European governments made now, not a while ago. And that
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 16: should give Putin a lot of pause about whether Western
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 16: resolve or unity is going to flag. And when we
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 16: made our announcement that we were going to send these
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 16: precision rocket systems to Ukraine. We're immediately followed by the
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 16: UK and other countries who have stepped up with additional
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 16: commitments as well. So there's a lot at stake here.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 16: And we now are in this for as long as
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 16: it takes to defend the Ukrainians. And every week that
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 16: goes by, I think it's increasingly dawning on the Russians
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 16: that they are not just simply going to be able
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 16: to wait us out and wear us down.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 14: But we got to.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 16: we collectively have to show that we're prepared to stick
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 16: with it. And for that, it can't just be the
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 16: officials in government making the case. We have to bring
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 16: the public along as well, which means making the case
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 16: and means all of you guys making the case to
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 16: your friends and neighbors about why this will continue to matter,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 16: even when it's not the top story in the news
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 16: every day. And just given the outpouring of support, I
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 16: believe that deeply embedded in the American people is the
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 16: view that we need to stand up for freedom and
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 16: for independence and for the sovereignty of nations and against
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 16: brutal aggression by dictators. And I don't think that's going
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 16: away anytime soon.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 11: It does feel like the world understands that this is
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 11: bigger than just one fight in Ukraine.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 12: This is autocracy against democracy.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: Jake, unless.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 11: for some insane reason, you want to stick around for
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 11: a potentially career-ending game. That's all I got for you.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 11: Jake Sullivan, thank you so much for joining.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 14: Thanks, guys.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: Really appreciate it.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 12: Come on out.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: Welcome, Guy Branum. In honor of Pride Month, we here
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: at Pond Save America would like to celebrate the rich
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: tapestry of human sexuality and gender identity while imagining a
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: world where everyone can live as their true selves. A
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: day we'll know we've reached when there are no more closets.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: Every gay and queer and trans person can live a
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: life of joy without fear. And Jon Favreau wears a
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: shirt that could conceivably be called something other than a
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: muted color.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: I wore a red shirt just for this.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, red my ass. But we don't live in that
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: world yet. So tonight we're going to celebrate Pride the
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: old-fashioned way by pitting straights against the rest of us
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: in a game we're calling Rainbows vs. Boat Shoes. Or
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: Gay vs.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Straight.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. On one side we have my no-homo co-bros, Tommy, John,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: and Dan. On the other we've got the future liberals want.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: Guy and Travell. And one LGBTQ audience member of our choosing.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: We have a producer in the audience. Who's out there?
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: Is Haley out there?
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: Haley's out there. If you are, you gotta be on
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: the flag. If you're on the flag, you can play.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: If not, you can't.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: That's how it goes. And like, not like really, not
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: just when you're drunk. Somebody raise your hand. And when
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: do we want to come on stage and play the game?
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: We've got some people out there.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: Give me a lesbian who knows sports or just a
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: super fun bisexual.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 14: There we go.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 10: Give it up for her, y'all.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: Coming up on stage.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 12: How many shows go from Ukraine to this?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: None.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 7: Just.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: Just the one.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Just the one.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: Hi, what's your name?
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: Kersi.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: Kersi?
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: First of all, it's great to see you.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 7: Hi.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: This is the first time you've come on stage.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: It is exciting.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: You did it.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: I did it.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: Kersi and I go way back. You've been around a
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: long time. You've shouted at me from many an audience.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: You guys, I have to say, for those of you
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: listening at home, Kersi's wearing a little yellow sundress that pops,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: so I'm not super confident about our ability to answer
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: questions about the hockey finals.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: Excuse me?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: She's going to bring a real energy to this thing. Listen,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: it's showbiz. You've got to face the audience.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 12: Cheat out.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: Cheat out.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: All right. All right.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us. All right, here's how it goes.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: Team Homo, I'll be asking you trivia questions about straight culture.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: Team Straight, you'll face a tough LGBTQ & A. And
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: we'll see who comes out on top. And who's on
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: the bottom.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: Nothing wrong with being on the bottom, okay? Let's get ready.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: Here we go.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: All right, let's start with, you guys, you can just
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: work this out yourself.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: Here we go, your first question.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: What actress mentioned in the new Hulu rom-com Fire Island
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress at the
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: 1993 Oscars?
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: Don't help them.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 12: I watched the fucking movie, too.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: It was announced by Jack Palance. And that's not on
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: the card. That's just knowing it.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: Can I call Lewis?
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: You can't call a gay. It's my cousin Vinny.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: She was up against Judy Davis, Vanessa Redgrave.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: All right, all right, all right.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 5: Marissa Tomei.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: It's Marissa Tomei.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: You got it, kind of. Good job, Dan.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: My queers.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: Do the initials IPA stand for?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: India Pale Ale.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: You got.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 7: It.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: Or I fucking, spelled with a PH, am not going
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: to drink that.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: I don't understand it. They're so bitter. I don't understand
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: your palate.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: All right, boys.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: You must name either all the Golden Girls... Or the
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: gay character who was in the pilot.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: Rose, Blanche.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 7: Sonya.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Sonya.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Balki. Sonya, Balki, Rachel, Monica.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: Dorothy.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 7: Dorothy.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're missing the mom.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: It's Sophia.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 10: Oh, Sophia.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: We'll give it to you. Also, on the pilot, there
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: was a gay character named Coco, who you never heard
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: of again.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: I think Coco.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: Was like a chef, right?
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: He was a house boy, and he made them enchiladas.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: All right, all right, next up. Who won the Super,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: this is hard with the cards. Who won the Super
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: Bowl in 2019?
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: Come on, Kersi.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: So, Rams was last year.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: Work it out.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 17: The previous year was some stupid Boston team.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: You got it. You got it. We're giving it to you. Oh,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: she's got it. Well, that's it.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: You did it. Patriots? Patriots.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: You got it.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 17: Okay.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: Y'all are so great at this.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: All right, boys. What sitcom featured the first ever lesbian
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: wedding on television?
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 7: Uh....
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Ellen?
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 12: Ellen?
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: Is it Ellen? No.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: It's friends.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: It's Ross' ex-wife.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. That's right. All right.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: Carol and Susan, they broke boundaries for us.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively met on the set of
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: what 2011 superhero movie?
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 7: Oh, is.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: Is this the Green Lantern?
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 16: Yes.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: This is the Green Lantern.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: You got it. You're good at this.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: The one he made fun of in Deadpool.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: References.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: All right. This is going to be audiovisual. Who is
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: this a photo of?
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: Come on.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: You know it.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: You know it. Come on, guys. It's easy. Katie Lang? What?
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: Is it Katie Lang?
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: It's not Katie Lang. It's a different lesbian. It's Shane
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: from The L Word. Just shouting out lesbians. Lesbian haircut.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: Just going for the gold.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: Have any of you ever seen a lesbian be horny before?
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: All lesbians look alike to Tommy. I've never felt so
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: close to being cancelled in my life.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: This is terrifying.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: You're fine.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: It was a good, it was a reasonable guess. And
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: he did it with such trepidation.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 17: Alright.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: In the 1990s, Tom Hanks won two consecutive Oscars for
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: Best Actor. What were those films?
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: Forrest Gump and Philadelphia.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: Good job. You got it.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: Nice. You guys.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: All right, this is easy, this is easy.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: We'll see.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: Come on, Dan. All right, we'll see.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: Which performance did Liza Minnelli receive her Academy Award for
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: Best Actress in 1973? Is it Cabaret?
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: And just to clarify, it's Liza with a Z, not
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: Lisa with a S.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: Sure, go for it.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: Is it Cabaret?
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 7: Yes!
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, Dan.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 17: Yes, Dan.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: Proud of you, Dan. Which of the following catastrophes was
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: not caused by a gender reveal party? Wildfire, car explosion,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: deadly metal shrapnel from a pipe bomb, fatal cannon blast,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: or small plane crash?
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 17: Okay, so the wildfire was one. The metal shrapnel was
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 17: another one.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 17: Um.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: Let's see.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: I got to tell you, Kiersey's been training to come
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: up on stage and take over a show for years.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: This is her moment.
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  Speaker 2: The plane. Can you give us the options again?
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  Speaker 3: Wildfire, car explosion, deadly metal shrapnel from pipe bomb, fatal
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  Speaker 3: cannon blast, or small plane crash.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to say it's plane or cannon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, cannon is what a lot of people like
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  Speaker 2: to use.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to need an answer.
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  Speaker 1: Plane?
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  Speaker 4: We're locking in plane.
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  Speaker 3: They all happened. It was a trick question.
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  Speaker 4: Brutal. That's homophobic.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't get in a trick question.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, welcome to the community. They have it easier.
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  Speaker 4: I thought we were the future the liberals want to see.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: What's going on?
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: You're going to have to work for it.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: What about solidarity?
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: What about it?
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: Boys, what is the chemical name for poppers?
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 12: Alcohol?
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  Speaker 3: It's amyl nitrate. It's amyl nitrate.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes you just need to clean your VCR, Tommy.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: Please listen to the following lyrics and name the song.
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  Speaker 3: You've got your ball. You've got your chain. Tie to
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: me tight, tie me up again. Who's got their claws
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: in you, my friend? They know it. They fucking know it.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Look at them.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: You wanted something funny as they think about the answer?
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  Speaker 3: I was at lunch with my boys the other day,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: and I realized they were having a conversation. I just interrupted.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: They were not just wearing similar sunglasses. You have identical sunglasses.
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  Speaker 4: It's very... Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Cut that.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: It didn't work.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to need an answer.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: Leave it in.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: I'm going to let them answer.
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  Speaker 5: What's the answer?
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: Crash into me. Dave Matthews.
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  Speaker 3: Hell yeah.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: Right there. All right.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: Final question. Final question. This is interesting.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: It's a crossover.
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  Speaker 3: It could have gone to either team. What NFL team
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: just welcomed Justine Lindsay, the league's first openly transgender cheerleader?
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: Is it that them?
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 12: Are you sure?
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: Is it the Panthers?
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: Wow. They stole it from you. I'm going to give
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: you one last one.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: This is for all the marbles.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: Marbles.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: What actress who has appeared in movies like Bridesmaids, Pitch Perfect,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: and most recently, Senior Year, just came out today on
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: Instagram with a photo of her girlfriend?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: Bridesmaids.
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  Speaker 5: Rebel Wilson.
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  Speaker 4: You got it.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: Nice, Sam.
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  Speaker 3: I saw her trending today. That is our game.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't click it. I didn't see it either.
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  Speaker 3: I got to say, I may be biased. I'm going
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: to give it to the LGBT community.
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  Speaker 14: Yes, you should.
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• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: Guy Branum for joining for the game. That's our show
• 1:29:36
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• 1:29:39
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