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NYCC News and Return of the Sith Deluxe Edition Review CCLXI · Star Wars Alliance

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  Speaker 1: The Force will be with you always.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Star Wars Alliance.
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  Speaker 1: Hello there, I'm doing okay. If you were following along
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  Speaker 2: but could be. Guys. This week we actually have some
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  Speaker 2: decent amount of news. Of course, there was New York
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  Speaker 2: Comic Con, and like we expected, there were some announcements,
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  Speaker 2: so we will be talking about those as well as,
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  Speaker 2: of course the release of the Star Wars Revenge of
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  Speaker 2: the Sith Deluxe Edition novelization. We're going to be talking
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  Speaker 2: about the annotations. We already did the review two weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: so we're not going to do a review of the book.
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  Speaker 2: We're only going to be talking about the annotations. Katie
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  Speaker 2: outlined four specific categories in which we were gonna be
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  Speaker 2: looking at these annotations, so we or I broke them down,
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  Speaker 2: not all of them, because there's like over one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and seventy of them. That's the other thing. We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: only be talking about some of our favorite ones. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I had probably like sixty bookmarks and I boiled it
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  Speaker 1: down into twenty two, which we're not gonna Like Clay said,
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  Speaker 1: we're not talking verbatim every annotation, but there are some
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  Speaker 1: that I wanted to be able to flip through and go, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's the what I was referencing in my post it
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  Speaker 1: notes because Clay was more organized about this than I
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  Speaker 1: was this time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually have a full breakdown of the category,
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  Speaker 2: and then I wrote the chapter and then the annotation
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  Speaker 2: that it corresponds to. I'll go ahead and say my
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  Speaker 2: Easter egg explanations are essentially all the same thing, because
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was really cool something that he did
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  Speaker 2: in this book, and so I will talk about that
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  Speaker 2: when we get down to it. But let's go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and start off with Well, first off, I also want
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  Speaker 2: let's go ahead and jump into the New York Comic
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  Speaker 2: Con news. The big thing here is just the publishing.
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  Speaker 2: There was no like big movie news or TV show
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  Speaker 2: stuff or anything like that. It was all publishing. So
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  Speaker 2: where do you want to start?
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  Speaker 1: So, first of all, Star Wars news Net has very
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  Speaker 1: good summary article guys of there's a New York Comic Con.
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  Speaker 1: If you guys want to read all the summaries and
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  Speaker 1: everything about the things that we're gonna be talking about,
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  Speaker 1: we're not gonna read it. R babotim I seem to
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  Speaker 1: So first of all, I think we need to get
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  Speaker 1: this out of the water before anything else. So the
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  Speaker 1: first the two big things from this panel was the
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  Speaker 1: announcement of another Random House World book that is going
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  Speaker 1: to be coming out next July, and it's entitled Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars Legacy and it is about Ray and Leah's Jedi
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  Speaker 1: training experience between the Last Jedi and the Rise of Skywalker.
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  Speaker 1: The other piece of big news because this topic that
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about and just get out of
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  Speaker 1: the way. I first things first has to do with
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  Speaker 1: both books. The second book that was announced was an
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  Speaker 1: official launch of a Star Wars romance line, and this book,
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  Speaker 1: can you remind me what this book's called.
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  Speaker 2: This book is titled I have it right here, hold
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  Speaker 2: on Eyes Like.
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  Speaker 1: Stars, right, and so both of these books obviously directly
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  Speaker 1: targeted towards women. Eyes Like Stars is going to be
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  Speaker 1: taking place one pipe one point five years before The
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  Speaker 1: Force Awakens and is written by Ashley Boston I believe yes,
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  Speaker 1: and Madeline Roe I believe I pronounced that correctly is
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  Speaker 1: going to be writing Star Wars Legacy. Both books seem
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  Speaker 1: to be coming out next July summer time frame, so
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  Speaker 1: super cool for us. Clay and I and I say,
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  Speaker 1: the romance book is written specifically for women. Obviously, book
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  Speaker 1: talk very big into romance at the moment, so creating
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars romance not out of the water, considering how
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  Speaker 1: hyped up it is right now? What do you think about.
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  Speaker 2: So I have I have said this sentiment like six
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  Speaker 2: bajillion times since this announcement. I have found my way
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  Speaker 2: into different conversations on Instagram, on TikTok, and on Twitter. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: and mostly the vibe for this book, uh shine like
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  Speaker 2: Stars or what was it called again, Like Stars is
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  Speaker 2: over all positive.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: There is you know the party poopers out there that
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  Speaker 2: are like romance, which is very stupid. But I saw
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  Speaker 2: this and I said fing finally. Yeah not and and
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  Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, like I have given the romance
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  Speaker 2: genre a chance, I am still open to always reading
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  Speaker 2: something new. I still need to read Fourth Wing. It's
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  Speaker 2: still on my to read pile. But this is a
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  Speaker 2: whole new like not a whole new This is a
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  Speaker 2: younger tier romance novel. This is a white a romance novel.
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  Speaker 2: But the reason why I said fing finally was not
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  Speaker 2: for the romance genre. It was, Hey, I'm finally gonna
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  Speaker 2: read a book that's not about the damn Skywalkers. That
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  Speaker 2: is why I said f and finally now, And y'all, I.
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  Speaker 1: Have not introduced him to other books that don't start
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  Speaker 1: Star Skywalkers.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the other thing. I know that there's other
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  Speaker 2: books that star other characters. Now here's the difference. The
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  Speaker 2: difference for now, what I see is every other Star
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  Speaker 2: Wars book that features somebody who isn't a Skywalker directly
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  Speaker 2: or indirectly connects to a Skywalker.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And I still find that it, Like, even this book
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  Speaker 2: is one point five years before the Rise or before
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  Speaker 2: Force awakens, there may be a tiny like connection to
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  Speaker 2: a Skywalker. But I see this in the same light
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  Speaker 2: as I see the short story romance story of it
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  Speaker 2: was in a certain point of view Return of the
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  Speaker 2: Jedi in Java's Palace. Yep. It was one of the
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  Speaker 2: longest stories in that book. And we gushed over it.
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  Speaker 2: We saw we thought like, this should be its own book.
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  Speaker 2: This is amazing, like the the the love story between them,
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  Speaker 2: and like, oh, well, my father was a slave to this,
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  Speaker 2: and so I took over this and da da da,
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  Speaker 2: and like, oh, I don't care if you're a slave,
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  Speaker 2: let's run the way together. Like it was all gushing
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  Speaker 2: and super like just it was great. It was great.
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  Speaker 2: I loved it. I see this, I see this cover
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  Speaker 2: of this book, and I get those vibes. That's what
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  Speaker 2: I want more of it is oh, go ahead, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: And there is other books in Star Wars that revolve
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  Speaker 1: around romance. Crash of Fate, Lost Stars, we will all
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  Speaker 1: make an effort to get Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I saw, I saw a video from Star Wars explained
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  Speaker 2: uh that was also reiterating the fact that there is
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  Speaker 2: other romance novels. We read one this year, Temptation Convergence.
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  Speaker 2: Temptation of the Force was another one. There are romance novels.
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  Speaker 2: I think this one specifically though, when you look at Convergence,
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  Speaker 2: when you look at Temptation of the Force.
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  Speaker 1: There science fiction with a hint of romance.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it is not the main genre with science fiction, yes,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that is the big.
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  Speaker 1: It's basically it's both genres. It's going to be even keeled.
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  Speaker 1: The thing that I need to go ahead and get
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  Speaker 1: out of the way is the idiots on the internet
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  Speaker 1: who is like, oh, we definitely see Star Wars is
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  Speaker 1: catering now to a solely female audience.
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  Speaker 2: That's so stupid.
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  Speaker 1: And in particular, there was one who comes from a
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  Speaker 1: very reputable site that we have cited on here before
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  Speaker 1: as a source for O gosh, like, it's ridiculous how
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  Speaker 1: much fanboys are like, well, this doesn't cater to me,
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  Speaker 1: and I saw it several places. But guess what, you
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  Speaker 1: don't have to read it. And Tom the editor for
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  Speaker 1: random one of the editors for Random House World, set
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  Speaker 1: it best Star Wars books would not be here without
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  Speaker 1: women up.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Like when you when you look at my entire
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars section, a majority of those books are written
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  Speaker 2: by women.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. And just because it's a Star Wars romance, but
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  Speaker 1: most of the commons I saw were towards the romance book,
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  Speaker 1: Like the author has already gotten death threats, y'all, Like Christ,
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  Speaker 1: chill out because this is ridiculous. There's no reason to
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  Speaker 1: treat an author, Okay, So.
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  Speaker 2: My question is to everybody out there, do you threaten
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  Speaker 2: other romance authors just for the fact that they write romance?
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  Speaker 2: Because that's essentially what you were doing with this. So
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  Speaker 2: did you give the creators of Young Jedi Adventures death
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  Speaker 2: threats because they made Star Wars for kids? Like, it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. What are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: It's so stupid And it goes back to what Tom
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  Speaker 1: has said that they had had problems recruiting people to
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  Speaker 1: write Star Wars. And I can't remember who the publisher
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  Speaker 1: is for Eyes Like Stars. Let me see if my
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  Speaker 1: Internet will cooperate.
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  Speaker 2: So for Eyes Like Stars, it does say it on
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  Speaker 2: the actual like announcement, like on the video it said
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  Speaker 2: that it's Del Corte.
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  Speaker 1: Press, Dela Courte Press.
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  Speaker 2: Della Corte Press.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it looks like that is another print of
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  Speaker 1: Penguin Random House Oka. So it's very much like how
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  Speaker 1: their young adult section is publishing, like they publish the
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  Speaker 1: Crystal Crown, They're gonna publish the Last Order. So it
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  Speaker 1: makes sense if Disney has been like, hey, dude, like
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  Speaker 1: here's the here's the sole publishing rights for Star Wars books,
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  Speaker 1: like have at it, that Random House would be like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna go write a romance book.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's what publishers do is they say what's the trend
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  Speaker 1: right now, and the trend is romance, and Star Wars
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  Speaker 1: is behind getting into it for like a legit romance novel.
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  Speaker 2: We have said numerous times the best Star Wars is
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  Speaker 2: when they jump into other genres. We've seen some of
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  Speaker 2: the best of like George Man going into horror aspects
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  Speaker 2: with The High Republic. We have enjoyed convergence, sumpation of
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  Speaker 2: the force getting into that romance style.
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  Speaker 3: We we love seeing it on screen of like the
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  Speaker 3: Western Star Wars genre, like they can jump into any
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  Speaker 3: genre and they should not be getting death threats because
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  Speaker 3: of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: And this imprint of Random House Worlds is the oldest
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  Speaker 1: imprint at Random House Worlds. So like the fact that
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  Speaker 1: we have other people publishing Star Wars and getting the
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  Speaker 1: recognition that an old imprint will bring is phenomenal, and
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  Speaker 1: that's something to be appreciated because that means you were
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  Speaker 1: bringing more people to Star Wars. There's people who look
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  Speaker 1: at a publisher and go, I'm gonna only get things
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  Speaker 1: from that publisher. They're out there. I don't know why,
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  Speaker 1: but that's what people do.
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  Speaker 2: Like I mean, it's it's the same as for comics.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Oh, I'm only gonna get Marvel, or I'm oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm only gonna get DC. I'm only gonna get Image
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  Speaker 2: like I because a couple months back, I when I
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  Speaker 2: was really in the thick of getting into just reading novels,
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  Speaker 2: I was looking for, Hey, how many publishers are there.
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  Speaker 2: I was trying to see which publisher I would gravitate towards,
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  Speaker 2: just like I try to do with comics. I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: do it because there was such an overwhelming amount of
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  Speaker 2: publishers out there in the world right now. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's so beneficial to have a diverse media core,
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  Speaker 1: and we saw that with the High Republic. So bringing
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  Speaker 1: this into this makes sense. And so I'm so happy
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  Speaker 1: that Lucasfilm has kind of gone. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: they've gone to Penguin Random House and gone like, look,
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  Speaker 1: we're closing down certain elements of publishing. We'd like to
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  Speaker 1: hand you guys our worst book contract, like have at
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  Speaker 1: it go wild or if Lucasfilm is like saying like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we want this publisher to publish this, like.
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  Speaker 2: I would like to. I would like to be a
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  Speaker 2: fly on that wall when they made that decision. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just to see if we can expect some of this
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  Speaker 2: in the future from other publishers, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so happy that it's coming, Like this is
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  Speaker 1: super exciting for me, Like it helps with the episode
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  Speaker 1: planning for next year because now I know, Okay, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we need to read Lost Stars because you need your
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  Speaker 1: first exposure to a true Star Wars romancelf like Lost
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  Speaker 1: Stars is phenomenal. So I'm really excited for us to
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  Speaker 1: dive into that next year. But the other book that
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  Speaker 1: was announced because we kind of skimmed past it, but
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars Legacy, I'm super excited for this book. Like
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  Speaker 1: I think Black Widow taught me a big lesson about Hey,
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  Speaker 1: just because you know how a character ins their story
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you can't have fun with it along
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  Speaker 1: the way and fill in the same details. And I
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  Speaker 1: do think, because one of the biggest questions from the
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  Speaker 1: Rise of Skywalker was, like Ray and Lea interacted for
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  Speaker 1: five minutes, how did they become a relationship so much
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  Speaker 1: so that Ray goes Lea was my master, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to take on the family name of Skywalker. Yeah, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a big question, and so I'm so
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  Speaker 1: glad that this gets to be answered in such a
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  Speaker 1: way and to also truly focus on repairing the Skywalker Lightsaber,
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  Speaker 1: Like I know everybody wants Ray to have her own lightsaber,
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  Speaker 1: and I do think this is a sign that we
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  Speaker 1: are going to see Ray and the sequel trilogy people
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  Speaker 1: coming forth in other novels, other forms of media, and
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get that yellow lightsaber, but that Skywalker
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  Speaker 1: lightsaber hill is a very big part of it, of
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  Speaker 1: the Skywalker saga legacy, and so I'm so excited to
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  Speaker 1: see that repair take place, get more into the ancient
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  Speaker 1: Jedi text that Rey has. I think this is going
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  Speaker 1: to be super special. The summary is out, guys for
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  Speaker 1: both of these books, Like I said, go check out
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars news Net or the publishing like they're already
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  Speaker 1: up on Amazon and stuff. So yeah, but I'm super excited.
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  Speaker 1: What do you feel about this book?
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  Speaker 2: I am super excited about this book because somebody pointed out,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll actually show it here on screen via my phone,
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  Speaker 2: somebody pointed out that Legacy has the exact same color
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  Speaker 2: scheme as Master and Apprentice. Now, I read or we
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  Speaker 2: read Master and Apprentice right before or right after we
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  Speaker 2: read Padawan, I can't remember. It was after. I really
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed Master and Apprentice. I thought it was a very
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  Speaker 2: fun read. It brought a new light to the relationship
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  Speaker 2: between Obi Wan and Qui Gon. And if that book
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  Speaker 2: in any way inspired Legacy, I'm all in one and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think it is very important to now that we
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  Speaker 2: have been for the last ten years in regards to
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  Speaker 2: like comic books as well, been filling in the gaps
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  Speaker 2: between movies, TV shows and all of these other things
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  Speaker 2: that we start touching up on these spaces of the
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  Speaker 2: most recent content that we've absorbed, which is the sequel trilogy.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that we do get lay again, I am
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  Speaker 2: very excited about that. There was another person that was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh man, to you know, Filony has all of this
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  Speaker 2: at his fingertips and he just throws it to publishing
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  Speaker 2: it's a little bit of a dig I somewhat agree,
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  Speaker 2: but I love books. We love books, we love reviewing
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  Speaker 2: these books on this show, so it doesn't hurt us.
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  Speaker 2: I can get the sentiment of people preferring TV shows
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  Speaker 2: animation compared to books, but it's neither here or there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited for this.
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  Speaker 1: No, sorry, finish your thought.
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  Speaker 2: Well. There was also somebody did bring up the fact
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  Speaker 2: that they thought it was kind of funny that this
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  Speaker 2: book being titled Legacy while there is a ongoing book
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  Speaker 2: for comics right now called The Legacy of Vader, we
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  Speaker 2: get two legacy titles.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I hadn't heard of that one. I had heard
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  Speaker 1: the oh why are we reusing Star Wars Legacy from
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  Speaker 1: Kid Skywalker comics?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, I had seen that one as well. But
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  Speaker 2: I as a positive. People were saying they thought it
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  Speaker 2: was cool that Kyler Rinn is getting a legacy now
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  Speaker 2: Ray is now also getting a legacy book as well.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, very excited for it.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, has been just texting me about insurance problems.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, but the panel did not stop there, The
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  Speaker 2: publishing did not stop there. Those are the only I
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  Speaker 2: think king on.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry. Before we moved to comics. That was the only
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  Speaker 1: novels that is correct. But in case people were curious
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  Speaker 1: as to what Madeline Rue and Ashley post In post
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: post I think It's posting have published. Madeline Rue is
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: best known for her blog turn novel Alison Hewitt Is Trapped,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: which is a zombie uh fiction story. But recently, uh,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: they have published what If Loki Was Worthy? A Loki
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: and Valkyrie story.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: That book is great. Yeah, I.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Have gotten I think about the seventy five percent of
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the way through. I need to finish it, especially now.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: But then she also wrote one my favorite stories from
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: from a certain point of view, the Breha Orghana story,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: which oh yeah, talks about like her and bail At
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: like right as he gets back to Alderant and the
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: death Star coming in Heartbreaker of a story. Let me
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: tell you one of my favorites from from a certain
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: point of view, the original one. And then Ashley Postin
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: is best known for her romance and.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: You know, well, I was gonna say, uh, there was
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: some people. I don't know if they were just saying
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: this just to be funny, but did Ashley write a
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: like uh Railo romance like knockoff?
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, that is what I had heard. I don't know
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: exactly which one. I think it's the Dead Romantics. But
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I saw on the line that a lot of people, oh,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: another Raylow author like Ea, but she so she I
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: think she's best known for the Dead Romantics.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: And then obviously she's got I was like Stars Coming,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: but then Marvel wise, she actually wrote Hawkeye, Bishop Takes King,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: which is another young adults book in the Marvel genre,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: and also The Bewitching Hour, which looks like maybe a
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Buffy prequel. I don't know, but a lot of young
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: adult romance on here, but it looks like there's some
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: fantasy on here. So yeah, those are some of the books.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: If you guys are like, well, I want to know
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: how they write so I can know if the Star
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Wars book is gonna be for me with six months
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to go, Like, there's the books that you can go
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: check out by those authors. So the next bit from
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: the panel was the comics right, yes.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Now, we have been wondering when are we gonna get
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: more High Republic? When are we gonna get more High Republic?
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: And the uh, the line that I think Michael Siglaine
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: had said in an interview somewhere was basically that it
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: was not so far off in the future and that
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: was too vague for us, and we're like, what does
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: that mean? Well, we get the answer right here at
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: New York Comic Con. They have announced coming from George
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Mann himself, set twenty years after Phase two Star Wars,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: the High Republic Adventures Pathfinders. Yes, this does not have
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: any big like description at all.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: No, it just had a couple of panel shots and
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: then the covers for the first two issues. This is
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: a dark Horse publication by the way, guys.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Yes there is some character designs as well. Okay, yeah it.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I do know that this series is going to have
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Ruper in it with the Shield, so maybe we'll see
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: how the Shield ye with the shop that Cormack Comet
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: picks up. So I'm super excited for this. We're gonna
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: have to reach back out to dark Horse and be like, please,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: for the love of everything.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: No, I'm just kidding, it would be it would be
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: nice to get those advanced copies again.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna be super excited for this one and
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: look forward to like getting this one.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, super excited for this. In the same vein Asque
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Comics we did also get an announcement of a manga.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Uh it is Star Wars Visions uh Sukumo has just
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: been announced. The new Mango follows a Jedi Order sixty six,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: a Jedi after Order sixty six who accompanies a pair
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: of Droids to a rumored Droid's paradise. Yeah.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I'm super curious about this one if this is going
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: to be an expansion on the episode in the upcoming
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: volume of Visions, because it is a Vision's like it's
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: like Visions Presence basically, and we know that the Stormtrooper
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: one is actually a Jedi in disguise like trying to
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: escape Order sixty six, and.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: The cover of this does have the Jedi wearing a
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Stormtrooper helmet.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm super excited for that one. Did that
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: one have a release date on it?
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: This one does not as far as I know. I
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: will take a quick glance at the actual article. From
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: what I see here, everything else well actually, uh July fourteenth,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, a lot of summer, a lot of Summer edition.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Legacy is July twenty eighth, twenty twenty six.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Eyes Like Stars only says Summer twenty twenty six.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I totally forgot there was another comic that was announced.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I was wondering if you were just sipping.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Miss no, because I think okay, So let's just go
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: ahead and say it. Written by Im ed Best and
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Mark GOOGANIM interior art is gonna be Kieren McCowen, on
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: sale February eleven, twenty twenty six, is Star Wars jar
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Jar number one. The official publisher's summary of the comic
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: is as follows. This all new one shot teams up
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: two iconic characters, jar Jar Binks from the prequel trilogy
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: and Kellerin Beck, who has been seen in The Mandalorian
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: as the Jedi who saved young Broku from the Jedi
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Masacer of Order sixty six, as well as in Marvel's
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Jedi Knights number nine. Here there's a small little spoiler
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: for us. This comic is co written by of course,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I'm at Best and Mark Guggenheim. For those of you
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: who don't know, I don't know who wouldn't, but of
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: course Amed Best did voice jar Jar Binks as well
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: as play Killerin Beck in the Mandalorian. One thing that
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: people have said that came from the panel is that
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: this one shot somehow relates jar Jar Binks and his
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: importance to the rebellion. I don't know how much of
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: that is true. It would be interesting because I'm sure
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: there has been plenty of people who have wondered what
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: happened to Jarge are after.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Sith If you read after Math, you would know.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, which we which we did? We did read after Math.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that was another comic that was announced at
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: New York Comic Con.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was a one shot, y'all. When
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: this panel was dropping, I was actually at my grandma's
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: house and I had completely forgotten my phone. So I
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: get back and I have like seventeen text messages from
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: a variety of people. Go like Katie, look at the book.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Oh like text me.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: He's like, look at the chat. Look at the chat.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shit, Like.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Now uh. There are some other conversation pieces news bits.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: One in particular Snell shared with us in regards to
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: oh well you actually shared with us on the Star
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Wars allion's chat in regards to Ahsoka. But before we
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: do one thing that I did want to share with
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: you guys, because I saw that it still has a
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: couple of days to go. Humbo Bundle is currently holding
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: a sale for sixteen books that has Shadow of the Scyth,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Star Wars Catalyst, a Rogue one novel, The Aftermath Trilogy,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Star Wars, Brotherhood, Bloodline, Star Wars, Last Shot, Star Wars,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Resistance Reborn, Star Wars, Lords of the Sith, Princess and
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the Scoundrel FAsMA, Heir to the Jedi Twilight Company, a
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Battlefront Story, Rise of the Red Blade, and the most
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: recent Mace Wind Do the Glass Abyss all for twenty
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: five dollars. So you can get sixteen books for as
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: little as twenty five dollars, with some of those books
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: being very recent. That is a very good price. So
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: if you guys do like digital books, I highly recommend
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: that you guys take this offer. There's some books in
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: here that I haven't even read, so very very cool.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: I'm a very big fan of humble Bundle, so I
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: think that if some of y'all can take up that,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: then y'all should.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you might want to get that because we're definitely
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: reading Resistance Reform next year, so and there's some other
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: ones in there that you haven't read, so you might
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: as well just go ahead and.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Get it and I actually don't have some of these physically,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: so I wouldn't mind just owning the digital. And I
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: do have the physical of some of these, but I
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: would be okay with having them digitally.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: So yeah, for sure. No, and sorry guys. So one
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: last thing from the panel. I didn't realize that Star
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Wars did pick up on the crochet trend and they
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: have a crochet book, so I might have to pick
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: this up when this comes out next April. But it
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: the Mandalorian crochet where you get to make like the
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: figurines and stuff. They're called emmigroomy, but that's just because
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I crochet, guys. I have a butt ton of yarn,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: so that one could be fun. So all right, so
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: the Ahsoka stuff, remind me what the Ahsoka stuff was?
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Let me pull that.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, you shared a post. This was actually yesterday. Bryce
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: dell at Howard reveals more details about Ahsoka season two
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: at New York Comic Con. The runtime of the episodes
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: will range between forty five to sixty minutes. They She
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: also said to improve color design and cinematography, a cinematographer
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: from Rogue one has been brought on board. It is
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: unclear if this is Greg Frasier or another person involved
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: in cinematography. Post Production has started and will last one
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: full year is the other big point here. As well
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: as the possible release date being November of twenty twenty six,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: it is unclear that there will be a season three.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: You and Travis had a very quick back and forth
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: on the release date. Katie, why don't you share your
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: thoughts about the November twenty sixth release date.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I really with the fact that they filmed and they're
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: looking at a year for they just finished filming, they're
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: looking at a year for post production. A release date
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: of November twenty twenty six makes sense within that time. However,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I really don't have that big an issue with post
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: production being there. I feel like this is Star Wars.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: There's going to be a lot of CGI with lightsabers
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: and special effects touching things up. I don't mind a
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: post production period that long. My issue boils down in
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: the fact that it took seven months to film eight
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: episodes like that is the time frame for twenty four
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: episode season for cable television. And yes, I realized there's
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: not as much special effects with cable television. However, it
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: is still ridiculous when you have such a script as
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: what's his name has? Oh my gosh, cowboy hat dude,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Why can't I remember his.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Name all of a sudden, Uh, Flony Filony.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Dave Flony. When you have such a script like Dave
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Felony has, and he has confirmed that he was the
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: only writer on the show, when you are the one
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: writing and you have such scripts as we do. Because
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: let's not pretend that Dave Filoni writes a perfect script.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: He does not by any means necessary. There's no reason
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: that filming should have taken seven months for eight episodes
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: in the forty five minute to sixty minute timeframe, which
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: is what Bryce Alice Howard says, again, not unreasonable time frames. However,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: we all know that Star Wars tends to lean closer
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: to the forty five minute range, and in that forty
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: five minutes is probably eight minutes of credits.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is absolutely.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: No reason it should have taken seven minutes. Excuse me,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: my husband got home. I'm gonna mute my mic.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Now. Now, when I saw this, I did, see, of course,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: yours and Snell's back and forth, which I will go
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: ahead and share that real quick. Snell was very confused
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: as for the November twenty twenty six release, he said,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: also for a show that came out three years ago
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: at this point, just ridiculous. That's gotta hurt viewership as well.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Unless you're unless you were Thrones, as in Game of
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Thrones or Stranger Things, you can do you you can't
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: do those breaks. As as far as like the time
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: in between, I would.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Definitely dis agree as far as like maybe Game of Thrones,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: but that's because Game of had some notoriety before going
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: into it. Stranger Things, however, I think Stranger Things has
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: dipped ginormously in terms of a fan base.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I have not seen anything past season one of Stranger Things,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: so I don't really have a debate on that. My
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: thing is, uh, and we've I think that viewership as
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: a whole, for television in general, the conversation about and
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: we as viewers shot ourselves in the foot, I want
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: to go ahead and say that out loud to the listeners. Here,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: we shot ourselves in the foot because there was shows
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: like The Flash, like Arrow, like The Walking Dead, like
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: all of these other very famous, very big shows that
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: we said, man, there's so many filler episodes. There's like
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I bet this season would be perfect if it was
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: about ten episodes we shot.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Ourselves in said episodes. I said about fifteen.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: We shot ourselves in the foot for that one.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: By the way, guys, yeap, And it's like, yes, studios
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: took that. It will probably lean this way, and then
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: we'll probably overcourse correct in ten years, because that's when
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: studios tend to have the time to make change it.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I will say I don't agree with the amount of
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: production time. Now you could say, well, Clay, they need
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: the production time to have the quality that they do.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I am not one hundred percent sure on that, because.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I would rather than take more time in production than
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: overwork their people to get it out by a certain date.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I can agree to an extent. And I know that
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: sounds crazy, like people are like, Clay, you want people
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: to overwork their post production crew. No, I don't. I
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: think that is a very dog shit way to treat people,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: and I don't want people to do it. But in
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: my mind, if you can say, hey, a movie, a
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: movie like an MCU movie or a DCU movie can
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: film for six months and then oh, by the way,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: it's coming out the very next year, that's less post
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: production time than some of these TV shows.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Can you name which movie you're talking about? I guess
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: because to me, I've always known that Marvel has a
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: year of post production time. Like I think, really for
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: a year of post production time for any movie.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Why do I feel like, Okay, so when does Brand
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: New Day come out? It's in July, right, yes, Okay,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: it says twenty twenty six July. Okay, that's still filming.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: But that's also Sony. It's not Marvel.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, it doesn't matter. I'm saying movies in general,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: not necessarily just superhero movies. But like I'm not saying
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: just MCU or just DC. I'm saying any movie for
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: the fact that you can do a filming and post
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: production in that is gonna be compared to now because
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: nothing has Oh I guess like certain aspects. I think
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: certain aspects of Brand New Day have already completed their production.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: So I'm kind of like toning the line a little bit,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: but it's still less than a year.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Well, you look at Superman. I feel like Superman was
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: a well produced movie and like was top to bottom,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: very nicely done, probably filmed in about four months. I
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: would say I can't find a filming timeframe. But it
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: finished filming July twenty twenty four and came out July
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, and.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: So I feel like that's a realistic time frame. Odyssey,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: for instance, Christopher Nolan my gold standard of filmmaking, a
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: year and a half of post production.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Basically has that finished filming.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Let me look, I'm pretty sure it has.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, because like I don't know, I just for TV show.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I think that there is a possibility to still have
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: good quality with less than a year of post production.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: So I can't agree to a certain extent. So the
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Odyssey finished filming in August twenty twenty five, coming out
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: July twenty twenty six, basically a year, and it filmed
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: for six months.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, in total production is going to be
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: a year and a half.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I can agree to a certain extent. But
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I also think when we see a movie, yes, there's
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: a realistic certain timeframe because a movie tends to make
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: its money back a little bit more efficiently than a
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: TV show does. A TV show, I feel like, depends
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: on a lot of toys and ads and everything, so
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: you never know how much the show is really going
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: to make back movies, you kind of have a better
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: idea of how things are gonna make uh, how how
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: much they're going to make back and everything. But a
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: year from movie, which is typically let's say two hours,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: you're talking about a T shirt. Let's let's say eight
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: episodes at forty five minutes a piece. How long is that?
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: That's four hours?
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: How many episodes?
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Forty five episodes? Forty five minutes.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: For eight episodes, that's six hours, six hours.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know where I got for Sorry, guys, my
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: brain's not working. So six hours versus two hours, I
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: don't really necessarily consider a year's production.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Now, Okay, But you also have to get into the
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: debate of like, oh, well, you know, people film a
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: lot more than they need because they also have extended
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: cuts and things like that. So like, I'm sure the
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: filming is somewhat around the same. It's just the degree of.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Editing correct and like, the hope is that you go
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: into a TV show and you know exactly what you're doing,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: with maybe a few course corrections here or there. I
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: think Superman we saw a very good time frame because
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: James gunn knew exactly what he was filming and he
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: didn't deviate from the script.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's true.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: So I feel like there's James Gunn is not the
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: standard though in Hollywood right now. So I think I
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: don't mind the yours production, then I mind the seven
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: months of filming. Okay, what you can say is wild
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: considering the example that I just put with production time
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: and movies and two hours and everything, but especially when
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: you're known to use the volume.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: That is also something. Now, well, I think that the
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: volume needed to be used quote unquote needed to be
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: used because of the amount of the assumed Easter eggs
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: and cameos and things like that they're gonna be taking
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: place in this season of Ohsoka.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, It's not necessarily a bad thing. But most
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: of the time I feel like with movies is scheduling,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: scheduling filming in live locations, yeah, and figuring out how
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: to get people there and everything. When you're filming at
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: one location for seven months and you just have a
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: sound stage.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be decently you know, quote unquote easy.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's easy, guys, I'm just saying, like, hey,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: in retrospect, it should be easier than filming on site.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And like and don't get me wrong, like I
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: count things like stunt training and everything is like more
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: pre production and like training for things. Yes, you're going
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: to continue to do that over the filming period and
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: making sure you stay in shape and everything, but like
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: choreography for specific stunts, lightsaber training, all that is pre
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: production stuff. They're talking like this is production timeframe filming
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: like it's ridiculous.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Going on to other announcements, which I don't think there
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: is a lot of if at all, I thought that
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: was it. I think that is well. I do want
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: to go ahead and relay the news if people have
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: not heard. Legendary artist Drew Strutson has sadly passed away
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: at the age of seventy eight after a battle with Alzheimer's.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Of course, if you are not familiar with Strutson's designs
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: and work, he famously made the posters for Indiana Jones
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: for Star Wars. I believe he did the work on
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: the original trilogy as well as the prequel trilogy.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: He and I think he even did a poster for
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Force Awagans.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: I'll have to see. I haven't seen anybody post it yet,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: but one of my all time favorites of his is Hook.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Hook is my all time favorite poster of his, Gone
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: way too soon. Of course, he did work on Back
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: to the Future as well, and people have also made
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: notes that although he is very famous for movie posters,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: he has a very extensive amount of Star Wars novel
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: covers yea, a very large amount. So there's quite a
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: bit of his work out there for anybody who wants
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: to go look at all of that. But that is it.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: That is it for the news updates and everything else.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and move towards our main topic, which
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: of course is the Revenge of the Sith novelization Deluxe edition.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: We are gonna be talking about the annotations, of course,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: not the entire book, and we're not gonna be talking
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: about all of the annotations. We're gonna be talking about
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: four specific subject matters. Katie wrote these down a couple
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: days ago, those being film production changes that affected the book,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: writing style choices, easter egg explanations, and characterization moments in choices,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: And of course, because I am me, I have a
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: fifth one titled validation.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, so what is your validation one?
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Okay? So validation is in chapter eight or sorry, excuse me,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: chapter two, Notation eight. I forgot to write the actual
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: page number. But this is the explanation of the Palpatine
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: being revealed as sidious and how because he's like, oh, well,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: this book actually came out one month before the actual
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: release of the book or the release of the movie.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. And he states in the thing basically
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: saying how like he has like he's not responsible for
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: anybody who decides to read the book prior to the movie.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: And I had made that comment because of the way
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: that I had interpreted this book and how I was
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: visualizing it and talking about it, and I was saying, oh, hey,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not cool with this revealing sidious as or revealing
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Palpatine as sidious this early on, when you don't see
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: it as such in the actual movie. And so it
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: actually says here. This novelization was published in April second,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: two thousand and five, a bit more than a month
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: before the film was released on May nineteenth. Because this
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: book was published, along with several others before the film's release,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: this little passage here may arguably be the first time
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: in prequel media that Chancellor Palpatine is openly revealed and
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: confirmed to be Darth sidious unless you made the mistake
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: of reading a different retelling first. It can't I can't
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: be held responsible for any such disaster here his errors
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: in judgment on your part. This is just like me saying, like, hey,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: like I felt that this was wrong to reveal this,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: and like in some capacity Matthew was saying the same
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: thing in a way, So I'm still calling it validation.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I would argue the point that he says in basically
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: the the the it's not the introduction, it's the it's
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: the opening crawl basically, which is he says it's not
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: his most famous passage, like his famous passages are at
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: the end of the book. But I would argue this
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: is this is what I always remember, is this opening crawl.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: And I like both of these. He's got two annotations here,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: but he talks about dramatic irony and how he's basically
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: set up the book where the reader what's happening, and
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: so it's like he's doing he's trying to do it
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: properly where you get happy anticipation because you know what's
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: gonna happen, and so you're like, oh my gosh, oh
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: my gosh. But then also dread like, what is actually
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: gonna happen? How is this gonna happen? But I read
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: the first annotation to my mom and siblings because I
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: took this book down with me this weekend to show
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: it off kind of thing, and they were like, well,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: what type of annotations would there be? And I just
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: love this opening one Star Wars always opens with a
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: direct address to the audience, as do so many folkales
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: and fairy tales. I expanded the classic setup of a
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: long time ago in a galaxy far far away, to
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: be explicit about why this story is different animal from
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: the Star Wars medium that has come before it, to
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: create a different set of expectations, which I would argue
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: he does very successfully yes this story, and it kind
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: of going into the writing method and stuff he talks
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: about how like the freeze frames like help you step
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: into a character shoes before a big moment, help kind
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: of set you in the right mindset of Okay, we
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: are a reader, we don't see what's going on on screen.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: And I know you watched Revenge of the Fifth to
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: kind of tie along into this. I did not, because
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of go into this with just
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: the annotations and everything.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: I had it. I literally had it in the background
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: as I was writing these notes. I was really looking
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: at the book the entire time while the movie was
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: going on. But from time to time I did actually
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: like look up and like watch it for a few
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: minutes and then go back to notating.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Uh huh sure.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Now, uh you did mention the introduction. This was a
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: part of my category of writing style choices. I wrote
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: down annotation number one and number five, number one being
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: I wanted to expand the traditional setup of an opening
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: crawl into something more like a really long establishing shot,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: to sketch bigger contexts around the action that's about to begin,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: context ruling everything. It's what creates meaning a punch in
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: the mouth means one thing in a box earring, but
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: something else in your mother's kitchen. I really like this
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: because just like how right before, Because the one that
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: you were talking about is literally the page right before.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: I like how this book does not have your traditional
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: like in the New High Republic books, they have an
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: opening crawl. It literally establishes where we are in the universe,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: what we're doing, and what we're about to get into.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: This is a new telling of that. It still tells you, like,
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: I really like how he can continues it in uh
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: the uh was it this one? Yeah? Yeah, it was
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: like the whole thing with how Luke uh not Luke,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: excuse me. Anakin and obi Wan are like superheroes in
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: this universe and like the Hollow dramas and all of this,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Like it is more than just an opening crawl. It
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: is a whole movie within itself, and I really really
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: dig that.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I really love that because there's a lot of things
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: that you can accomplish with an opening crawl to set
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: the scene. There's also a lot of things that you
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: can't do, and so creating a novelization, you need to
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: expand upon it a little bit more to give it
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: that that an opening crawl makes you feel. The So
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: I basically noted every single brief passage on darken Lights.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I really moments.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: I really dug those writing style.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: It just I love them so much in this bit
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: it's it is long annotations, but I think they're worth it.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: One of the first things that I did in this
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: book was on chapter one, obi Wan and Anakin is
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: in this annotation down here, this really long one where
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: he says many people have asked, occasionally with some derision,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: why the opening battle and the chancellors rescue take up
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: roughly a quarter of the book when it only lasts
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes or so on screen. The answer is, nobody
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: told me it only run for fifteen minutes. I was
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: gackling so hard at this. I was like, Okay, I
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: have to like highlight that like somehow, And the only
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: option I had at the time was a pin because
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: this is the three paragraph annotation kind of looks like paragraphs.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: It's not really paragraphs, but it's in the second block
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: of the annotation, and I was like, this is a
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: really long annotation, and I want to remember that I
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: cackled at the answers. Nobody told me last for fifteen minutes.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: That is just great. And he does specify that the
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: script that was given to him was one hundred and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: twenty nine pages, and Anakin lands on the ship with
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Obi Wan on page thirty four, so like, I get it.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: And what we have come to learn being the podcast
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: that network that we're in, we learn that hey, scripts
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: get rewritten on the spot, sometimes all the time, so
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: that one hundred and twenty nine pages can be extended
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: to like almost two hundred very quickly.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: So talks about basically he got a script, but then
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: afterwards he would get like basically stills from the movie.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: So it's not to spoil anything particular, like let it leak,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: but then it would have like a few lines of
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: dialogue or hey, he's doing this at this moment, and
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: that's all he would get afterwards.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like there there was. And I have seen recently,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: and I say recently in the past two days, a
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: lot of people have been really stuck on the annotation
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: of obi Wan and grievous people have been really sticking
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: to this because of the small annotation of Hey, this
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: wasn't in the original script, and so people are really
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: sticking to that, and it almost makes it sound like
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: obi Wan like ab lib this, but he really didn't be. Yeah,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: the the so uncivilized line wasn't ad libbed. It was
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: just added to the script later and it was a
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: revision that was given to you when he submitted like
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: one of his drafts or whatever. So I thought that
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: was pretty neat too.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: It's really neat. And he talks about how some points
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: he has to modify what's happening because he can't really
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: tell you, hey, this is what's gonna happen on screen,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: and he talks about how he goes into storyteller mode
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: for certain parts because it's just like, hey, I really
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: can't articulate as well what's gonna happen on screen, but
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: this is basically me telling you, hey, just wait for
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: the movie. It's gonna be super awesome in the movie.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: And like the fact that he didn't manipulate the so
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: uncivilized to add context or anything is because he just
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: felt like that line was so much obi Wan Kenobi
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: and it really I love the annotations where he he
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: basically has a love letter to obi Wan Kenobi in
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: this how like obi Wan Kenobi is awesome. How he's
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I just loved this moment, like really
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: like balancing both Anakin and obi Wan and showing you, hey,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: obi Wan still feels love. But he makes different choices
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: than he does, like and I know some of those
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: are like self explanatory moments, but there's some where you're like, hey,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: getting this insight into an author's brain is super cool.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: So I really like the Well, the one that you're
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: specifically talking about was I believe in like chapter four,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: I think or I can't remember. It was chapter three
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: year chapter four where obi Wan like figured something out
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: but not quite really and then like cause and he
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: made the small notation of like yeah, because obi Wan's awesome.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: And then and then you literally turn the page and
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: the very next annotation talks about Mace Windhu and Mace
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: He's like Mace Windhu is also a badass. He doesn't
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: just guess, he already knows. So it's like he like,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: I really dug getting into Matthew's head with all of
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: these annotations. Like another one that a lot of people
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: have started to really pick up on articles and stuff,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: and I'm jumping way ahead, but it's one that I
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: think should stick with people. It's with Palpatine. There was
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: at one point Matthew gave the dialogue to Palpatine to
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: tell Anakin fight you. I don't want to fight you.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: I love you. This is the very first confrontation between
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: Palpatine and Anakin when Anakin makes the realization, holy crap,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: you're the Darth Lord. George Lucas himself told Matthew take
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: that out, and the reasoning being, hey, Palpatine is literally
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: incapable of even remotely understanding what the word love means,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: so he can't use that word because even when pretending
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't even like be real.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't have the chapter that it's
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: page two eighty.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: Three to eighty three. Okay, yeah, I really dug this.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: I think this is like chapter fourteen or fifteen. Actually,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: uh you said to eighty three? Yeah, oh yeah, right
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: here it was notation fourteen, sorry, which means it was
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: chapter fifteen, chapter fifteen, notation fourteen. I have it on
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: my notes, So I thought that was really really cool.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: There was one previous to that, and if I can
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: just move my page one.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Well you find that. I'm gonna say another one where
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: the film kind of changed. So obviously there's political scenes
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: in here that Matthew Stover kept in from the script
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: because he felt like Padme's point of view and the
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: politics in this really did matter at the end stage
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: of things. But I also like this one where Anakin's
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: going into the temple and there's a comment because the
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: line is the gate Master had seen him on the monitor,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Anakin Skywalker alone, and he says, as far as I
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: knew he was going to be alone, Like there was
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: no indication that he had clones with him at any point,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: and he says that the only reason he points this
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: out is because he loved the five hundred First. He
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: loves the mission that they stand for, and that when
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: he was getting to tour for this book, Delray actually
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: got the five hundred First Club to help escort him
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: out to his book signing and talking events. And I
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: just think that's super cool.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought I did notate that one as well.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: I thought that was really really cool. I like the
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: two annotations on page two seventy three. This is also
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: chapter fifteen. I'll talk about the first one first. It
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: is an easter egg.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Because this is what I needed to talk about too.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: I'm on two seventy one. He says, my ex wife,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: a lifelong question has forgiven me for many things, but
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: she still sends to me for making her care about boga. Okay, continue, Yes.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: I laughed at that one. Uh. Notation number five on
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: chapter fifteen to seventy three is the page number This
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: easter egg, of course, not from Star Wars novel. It's
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: from the movie A New Hope. It's supposed to flip
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: the easter egg discovery from Hey, I got that one
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: to oh crap, I got that one. Yeah, I really
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: dug this one. It one of those that you like, again,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: have to really think about it, says uh. It's it's
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: a point of like in the perspective of Obi Wan Kenobi,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: and when he kills Grievous, he is like, oh wow,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: I might die in this situation. And he always thought, well, well,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: if I'm gonna die, I always thought Anakin was gonna
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: be there with me. And then you're like, oh wait,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: but he is. So I thought that one was a
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: really nice like. Matthew has a lot of these, like
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: you had said in the beginning of this review, like
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: dramatic irony, and he's a really funny guy, so he
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: he You could really hear his voice in these annotations,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: which I really like. But this one, as somebody who
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: studied a little bit of film in some college courses
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: of mind, I really like annotation number six. Annotation number
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: six is from when Anakin is in Palpatine's office and
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: he's looking at some random sculpture and it says, here
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic sat at the small
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: desk in his private office, staring just strictly at an
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: abstract twist of geranium that Anakin had always assumed was
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: supposed to be some kind of sculpture, and merely sighed
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: as though he had matters of much greater importance on
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: his mind. The notation says this line is what is
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: known in showbiz as Chekhov's gun, which is not a
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: star Trek reference. Anton Chekhov, the great Russian author and
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: play right famously advised that if a gun is introduced
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: in the first act, it must be fired by the
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: end of the play. I really like this. I like
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: how there is a lot of these like, hey, remember this,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: like make sure you're paying attention to this. Matthew has
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: been doing a lot of this in this book, and
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: I really really dug it.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because like in that statue comes back to play
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: because he uses that to kind of his lightsaber's basically
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: been hidden in that statue for twenty years. Yeah, like
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: super cool. I love that chapter, by the way, it's
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: like really awesome. But going back to the Easter egg conversation,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: I love like one of his Easter eggs is Red five.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Apparently Obi Wan Kenobi was only referenced in the script
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: as Red Leader, So matt at Fustover just decided, hey,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give Anakin red five because that's Luke Skywalker's
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: calls line in a New Hope. So I really dug
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: that because I didn't even catch that on the first
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: read through, like when we were reviewing it and stuff.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: But then the other thing that I really love that
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Stover does is when he's utilizing stuff from Star Wars
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Legends books, he gives credit to those on the page.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: That's what That was my second notation where I wrote
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: in the book because I was like, I really need
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: to remember this, and I didn't have any post its.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: I was like, I just loved that because there's so
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: much special about Star Wars Legends, and a lot of
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: times people can go, oh, but like Timothy's on with
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: Air to the Empire, Oh but Matthew Stover with Revenge
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: of the Sith, people forget that. Yes, Timothyson started it,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: but Timothyson also continued with other pieces from other novels,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: and Matthew Stover didn't write this book until there was
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: twenty years or ten years of Star Wars Legends.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so one of my notations h and I
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: actually started to do this with all of them. There
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: was one in chapter one, but I just stopped on
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: the one on chapter two, it's notation five. The Patawan
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: material is lifted from Sean Stewart's excellent Clone Wars novel
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: Yoda Dark Rendezvous. His rendering of Douku as a teenager
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: sociopath was tremendously influential on how I wrote the adult
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: Duku in this book.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Yep, that's the one I wrote on.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: So I started. I literally notated every single book that
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: he mentions in this book as a reminder, Hey, you
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: should probably pick these books up to better expand the
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: knowledge of this book. And I think that is just
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: really really cool. And he does explain like, hey, this
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: may be like extended universe material, and technically this is
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: extended universe, it's not canon, but at the time you're
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: placing this inside of a canon novelization, so you can
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: almost say like, hey, this is somewhat canon, which extends
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: to hey, I am now bringing those books into canon,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: which I do really really like.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: For sure. I love how the annotations about Palpatine make
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: it very explicit in the manipulation tactics, like a lot
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: of people go, hey, but how could Anakin really fall
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: for this other than his love for Padme Palpatine is
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: an excellent liar, as all politicians are cough cough, And
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: I love how Matthew Stover calls some of the lines
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: out from the political campaigns when he was writing this,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: but then also just hey, recognize anything, so again irony
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: as a highlight. But I love how he's like, hey,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: ever wondered how somebody could tell you most of the
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: truth but also lie at the same time, because this
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: is what it is right here, and digging into like
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Palpatine as a viewpoint and kind of going, hey, chapter
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: seventeen is really and truly his only viewpoint, because Palpatine
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: is a mythical being basically, and so in order to
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: do that, he chose to break him in very specific
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: ways where you don't actually know what's going on in
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Palpatine's head. And chapter seventeen is the part where the
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: Jedi come in and try to arrest him, and Stover
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: wanted you to know, Hey, but this is how Palpatine
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: manipulates the Senate, manipulates the public by starting and recording
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: how he gets a lightsaber, because I've always wondered that,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: and so getting to reread that chapter, I think my
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: mom took that out the first time was awesome seeing
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: his lightsaber come out of the statue. So I really
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: love that. I also loved the dive in with the
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Sun Dragon Crisis.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: Yes that it was. I literally I notated that, and
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: then I stopped what I was doing, yep with all
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: the way, because he does say I think it's in
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: the very first mention of the Sun Dragon is in
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: chapter one, and he does say like, hey, by the way,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: if you want to know about the Sun Dragon Crisis,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: you can go to this page here. And so I
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: literally stopped what I was doing and I went all
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: the way to the back of the book to read
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: the Sun Dragon Crisis. Guys, if they were to have
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: a like mini novella of this story here, I would
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: be the first one in line to read this story.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: One thing that like really stuck out to me was
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Matthew had said on uh, I think it was this
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: or maybe another notation was uh. When he got back
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: some notes, they were like, hey, you need to change this,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: and it was like so many like weeks or like
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: like really close to deadline, and he's like, you mother efforts,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: are you freaking kidding me? Like and just yelling down
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: this throat, this dude's throat, saying how unrealistic it is
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: to change it and make something up in the time
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: that he needs to have this all finished. And the
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: dude was just like completely calm, and it was like,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: you can figure it out, you can do it. I
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: trust you. Blah blah blah. I love this inside story
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: of the Subgriten crisis.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: And he says he had he told the the representative,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: mister Roffman. He was like, you expect me to what
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: get struck by lightning in the middle of the night,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: so I wake up with some magic idea out of
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: nowhere to fix everything. You think crap happens like that
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: in real life. And then he said he went out drinking,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: which I love that.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: He's just honest, and he's like, I didn't know what
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: I was gonna do, like on principles.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: That was the other thing. I laughed at this. And
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: he said at nine thirty the following morning, he had
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: compiled everything he needed for the revisions and said, Hi,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: sorry about blowing up last night. Anyway, do you remember
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: me shouting on the call about shit that never actually
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: happens in real life?
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, funny thing, funny story. I love this
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: because it's just it's it's great how things end up
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: working out, you know, And I really do like how
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: like in the beginning of this he was like the dragon,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: mister Lucas hated it, fucking hated it. Not this one
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: in the book, because if it wasn't if it's in
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: the book, he absolutely loved it, but he hated the
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: original version of it. And he goes on to this story,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: I like an idiot. There's like the the about the
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: author at the very end is literally one sentence. Matthew
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: Stover believes that everything worth knowing about his life can
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: be found in his book. Like it's just like boom, like, hey,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: this is who I am, this is what I'm doing.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: There's there's there's nothing to hide here type of thing,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: and especially in a deluxe edition where he's literally laying
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: everything out for us, I love it. I think that's awesome.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love that because, like, while everybody loves
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: a good metaphor, and that's what he was using a
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: sun dragon for was to showcase how Anakin's rage was growing.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: And basically, George Lucas felt like the sun Dragon made
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: it feel like Anakin wasn't making his own choices. So
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: then he turned around and the lightning bolt that struck
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: him in the middle of the night was the emphasis
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: on why Anakin was tagged to the hero with no fear,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: and how he changed it was by going the dramatic
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: irony route. And I think if there had been metaphors
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: in this, I don't think it would have hit us hard.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: The dramatic irony is what makes this book.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, point and and like, honestly he does mention like, hey,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: I put the dramatic irony throughout the book. It's not
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: just in one spot for you to hopefully get. It's
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: literally there every turn. So that way, by the end
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: you're like, uh, okay, and I did it. I really
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: really love it. I'm trying to think if there was
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: something else in my notes here. I do have one
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: notation chapter ten, Notation eight. Do you have anything that
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: you want to add?
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: I think that was it, like I noted the twenty
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: two places. But also, guys, I'm not going to read
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: you every annotation word for word, like I've talked about.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: You said annotation yes, number eight. This excuse me. The
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: category was film production changes. This one was I'm trying
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: to remember which.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: The scene with Yoda where he.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Yes Anakin and Yo to talking about like the like
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: in the movie we see them discussing like the vague
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: thoughts of him losing a loved one type thing. Yeapuh.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: And it was not in the original script, but it
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: was something that came in later, so you know, just
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: he he outlines everything and I dig like getting a
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: little bit on the inside. And I don't know if
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: there's any more novelizations that go this hard as far
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: as like getting a deluxe edition with annotations and everything
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: else like that, but like I might want more, like
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: I like just to get on the inside of like
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: what lucasfilm is like today.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I have not so I've read The
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: Force Awakens, Last Jedda, and Rise of Skywalker. I have
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: not read any of the other novelizations, so I don't
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: know what to tell you.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: However, I just do what to bring out my twentieth
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: anniversary edition of Air to the Empire, because this is
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: the only other one that has authored notations.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: In it, and you can actually see here, like the
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: annotations are on the side instead of at the bottom.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: That's what I was expecting here, I.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Was too, so but this one, so this where's one. Well,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to see it anyways, but
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: this one actually has like initials on the end of
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: an annotation to indicate if it's the author or the
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: editor chiming in. And this one Zoon basically went through
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: the same editing process that Stover did. His script was
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: very tightly controlled. George Lucas had final approval on things,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: so very very similar, very cool, and they probably chose
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: not to do it this way because there are some
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: let me go back, hang on, like this annotation. You
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: can see it's the same annotation on both pages. And
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: this one, this one actually has like continued at the top,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: so form at it well, like.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: And that was there's one from my knowledge. I don't
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: know how many there are in this book, but I
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: know I remember one specifically. There was an annotation that
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: was so long that it actually went onto the other page.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: And so it's like that can be a little confusing
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: to maybe some people. So yeah, maybe whoever does the
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: next one, try to keep it short next time.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just for comparison, like this is the hard case.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: Ah okay, yea, yeah, So it's.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: The original cover like just imprinted on there and there's
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: no artwork or anything, but it's still one if one
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: of those treasure books.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: So awesome. But yeah, well that is it for our review. Remember, guys,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: there is over one hundred annotations throughout this entire book.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: We only covered a few of them from what I
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: saw in what I had gathered. One, two, three, four, five,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: six different notations mentioned other books that he referenced. So
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go look for those books and put them
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: on a list of books to eventually grab. But yeah,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: tons of stuff, Matthew. If I ever get the chance
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: to meet you, I'm sure it'll be a very fun conversation.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: You sound like a very fun individual to sit down with,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: and hopefully that could be something that happens in the
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: near future, because I would love to get this thing signed.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, same here. I know he was at New York
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: Comic Con doing several signings, but I will definitely be
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: checking out where he will be in the future. Obviously,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: I have my Heir to the Empire edition signed from
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: whence On was still doing that at one of his bookstores,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: and so you could actually order the annotation, but now
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: you actually have to pay for the not the annotation,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: the signature. Yeah, signature, so yeah, but it obviously authors.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, Timothy's on is seventy five, I think, so
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: gotta give the do to break.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean and he also signed like all
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: of my books over at Chicago, so he was a
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: really cool dude. But yeah, that is it for our show.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: Of course, I already mentioned Star Wars Alliance over on
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: Blue Sky and Threads and Instagram, but you can always
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: find me at Fanboy Clay over on all of these
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: social medias that we previously mentioned. Go check out Ranger Alliance.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: Jake and I have been going over the most recent
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: Super Sinti series, Go Jusier, very fun series. There is
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: some theories that we have been talking about how the
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: series is going to end. We've made or we've talked
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: about Room of the twenty twenty sixth series as well,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: So all fun stuff. So, Katie, where can the lovely
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: listeners find and follow you? Y'all?
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: You can find me on most social media platforms is
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: at place, So Katie, I am trying to be on
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: social media more frequently. My most used platform is Instagram
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: and probably Threads. I've been a little more active on threads,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: so that's probably where you guys can find me if
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: you guys are looking for me.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: So, hey, they just they just introduced group chat on threads.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: So maybe we can convince. Maybe we can convince the
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: rest of the GUA to jump ship and we can
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: finally be on threads.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we'll see. We'll have to see. So guys,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: with that, I want to wish everyone a great day
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: or night, whatever whatever time of day you are listening
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: or watching, and we will see you next time. May
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: the Force be with you.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: Fifteen. I'll talk about the first one first. It is
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: an easter egg.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: Because this is when I needed to talk about too.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: I'm on two seventy one. He says. My ex wife,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: a lifelong questioned has forgiven me for many things, but
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: she still sends to me for making her care about boga. Okay, continue, Yes.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: I laughed at that one. Notation number five on chapter
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: fifteen to seventy three is the page number this easter egg.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: Of course, not from Star Wars novel. It's from the
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: movie A New Hope. It's supposed to flip the Easter
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: egg discovery from hey I got that one to oh crap,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: I got that one. Yeah, I really dug this one.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: It's one of those that you like, again, have to
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: really think about uh it says uh. It's it's a
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: point of like in the perspective of Obi Wan Kenobi,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: and when he uh kills Grievous, he is like, oh wow,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: I might die in this situation. And he always thought, well, well,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: if I'm gonna die, I always thought Anakin was gonna
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: be there with me. And then you're like, oh wait,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: but he is. So I thought that one was a
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: really nice like Matthew has a lot of these, like
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: you had said in the beginning of this review, like
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: dramatic irony, and he's a really funny guy. So he
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: you could really hear his voice in these annotations, which
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: I really like. But this one, as somebody who studied
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: a little bit of film in some college courses of mine,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: I really like Annotation number six. Annotation number six is
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: from when Anakin is in Palpatine's office and he's looking
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: at some random sculpture and it says, here the Supreme
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: Chancellor of the Republic sat at the small desk in
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: his private office, staring just strictly at an abstract twist
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: of geranium that Anakin had always assumed was supposed to
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: be some kind of sculpture and merely sighed as though
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: he had matters of much greater importance on his mind.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: The notation says this line is what is known in
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: showbiz as Chekhov's gun, which is not a star Trek reference.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: Anton Chekhov, the great Russian author and playwright, famously advised
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: that if a gun is introduced in the first act,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: it must be fired by the end of the play.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: I really like this. I like how there is a
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: lot of these like, hey, remember this, like make sure
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: you're paying attention to this. Matthew has been doing a
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: lot of this in this book, and I really really
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: dug it.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because like and that statue comes back to play
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: because he uses that to kind of his Lightsaber's basically
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: been hidden in that statue for twenty years. Yeah, like
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: super cool. I love that chapter, by the way, it's
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: like really awesome. But going back to the Easter egg conversation,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: I love like one of his Easter eggs is Red five.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: Apparently Obi Wan Kenobi was only referenced in the script
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: as Red leader, So matt at few Stover just decided, Hey,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give Anakin Red five because that's Luke Skywalker's
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: calls line in a New Hope. So I really dug
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: that because I didn't even catch that on the first
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: read through, like when we were reviewing it and stuff.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: But then the other thing that I really love that
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: Stover does is when he's utilizing stuff from Star Wars
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: Legends books, he gives credit to those on the page.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: That's what. That was my second notation where I wrote
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: in the book because I was like, I really need
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: to remember this, and I didn't have any post its.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: I was like, I just love that because there's so
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: much special about Star Wars Legends, and a lot of
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: times people can go, oh, but like Timothy's on with
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: Air to the Empire, Oh but Matthew Stover with Revenge
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: of This if people forget that, Yes, Timothyson started it,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: but Timothyson also continued with other pieces from other novels,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: and Matthew Stover didn't write this book until there was
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: twenty years or ten years of Star Wars Legends.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so one of my notations, uh, and I
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: actually started to do this with all of them. There
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: was one in chapter one, but I just stopped on
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: the one on chapter two. It's notation five. The Padawan
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: material is lifted from Sean stewart excellent Clone Wars novel
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: Yoda Dark Rendezvous. His rendering of Douku as a teenager
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: sociopath was tremendously influential on how I wrote the adult
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: Duku in this book.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: Yep, that's the one I wrote on.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: So I started. I literally notated every single book that
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: he mentions in this book as a reminder, Hey, you
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: should probably pick these books up to better expand the
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: knowledge of this book. And I think that is just
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: really really cool. And he does explain like, hey, this
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: may be like extended universe material, and technically this is
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: extended universe, it's not canon, but at the time you're
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: placing this inside of a canon novelization, so you can
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: almost say like, hey, this is somewhat which extends to hey,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: I am now bringing those books into canon, which I
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: do really really like.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: For sure. I love how the annotations about Palpatine make
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: it very explicit in the manipulation tactics, like a lot
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: of people go, hey, but how could Anakin really fall
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: for this other than his love for Padme. Palpatine is
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: an excellent liar, as all politicians are cough, cough. And
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: I love how Matthew Stover calls some of the lines
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: out from the political campaigns when he was writing this,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: but then also just hey.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 6: Recognize anything, so again irony as a highlight. But I
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 6: love how.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: He's like, hey, ever wondered how somebody could tell you
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: most of the truth but also lie at the same time,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: because this is what it is right here, and digging
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: into like Palpatine as a viewpoint and kind of going, hey,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: chapter seventeen is really and truly his only viewpoint, because
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: Palpatine is a mythical being basically, and so in order
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: to do that, he chose to break him in very
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: specific ways where you don't actually know what's going on
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: in Palpatine's head. And chapter seventeen is the part where
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: the Jedi come in and try to arrest him, and
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: Stover wanted you to know, Hey, but this is how
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: Palpatine manipulates the Senate, manipulates the public by starting and
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: recording how he gets a lightsaber, because I've always wondered that,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: and so getting to reread that chapter, I think my
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: mom took that out the first time was awesome. Seeing
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: his lightsaber come out of the statue so I really
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: love that. I also loved the dive in with the
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: sun dry in crisis.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, that it was. I literally I notated that, and
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: then I stopped what I was doing, yeap with all
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: the way, because he does say I think it's in
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: the very first mention of the Sun Dragon is in
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: chapter one, and he does say like, hey, by the way,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: if you want to know about the Sun Dragon Crisis,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: you can go to this page here. And so I
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: literally stopped what I was doing and I went all
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: the way to the back of the book to read
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: the Sun Dragon Crisis. Guys, if they were to have
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: a like mini novella of this story here, I would
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: be the first one in line to read this story.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: One thing that like really stuck out to me was
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: Matthew had said on I think it was this, or
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: maybe another notation was when he got back some notes,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: they were like, hey, you need to change this, and
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: it was like so many like weeks or like like
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: really close to deadline, and he's like, you mother efforts,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: are you freaking kidding me, like and just yelling down
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: this throat, this dude's throat, saying how unrealistic it is
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: to change it and make something up in the time
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: that he needs to have this all finished. And the
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: dude was just like completely calm, and it was like,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: you can figure it out, you can do it. I
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: trust you, blah blah blah. I love this inside story
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: of the Subgriden crisis.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: And he says he had he told the the representative,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: mister Roffman. He was like, you expect me to what
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: get struck by lightning in the middle of the night,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: so I wake up with some magic idea out of
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: nowhere to fix everything. You think crap happens like that
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: in real life. And then he said he went out
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: and drinking, which.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: He's just honest, and he's like, I didn't know what
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: I was gonna do, like on principles.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: That was the other thing. I laughed at this, And
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: he said at nine thirty the following morning, he had
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: compiled everything he needed for the revisions and said, Hi,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: sorry about blowing up last night. Anyway, do you remember
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: me shouting on the call about shit that never actually
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: happens in real life? Well, you know, funny.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: Thing, funny story. I love this because it's just it's
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: it's great how things end up working out, you know.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: And I really do like how like in the beginning
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: of this he was like the dragon mister Lucas hated it,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: fucking hated it. Not this one in the book, because
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: if it wasn't if it's in the book, he absolutely
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: loved it, but he hated the original version of it.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: And he goes on to this story like, I like idiot.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: There's like the the about the author at the very
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: end is literally one sentence. Matthew Stover believes that everything
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: worth knowing about his life can be found in his book.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: Like it's just like boom, like, hey, this is who
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: I am, this is what I'm doing. There's there's there's
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: nothing to hide here type of thing. Yeah, and especially
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: in a deluxe edition where he's literally laying everything out
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: for us, I love it. I think that's awesome.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love it because, like, while everybody loves
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: a good metaphor, and that's what he was using a
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: sun dragon for was to showcase how Anakin's reade was growing.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: And basically, George Lucas felt like the sun Dragon made
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: it feel like Anakin wasn't making his own choices. So
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: then he turned around and the lightning bolt that struck
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: him in the middle of the night. Was the emphasis
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: on why Anakin was tagged to the hero with no
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: fear and how he changed it was by going the
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: dramatic irony route. And I think if there had been
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: metaphors in this, I don't think it would have hit
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: us hard. The dramatic irony is what makes this book.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, point and like, honestly he does mention like, hey,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: I put the dramatic irony throughout the book. It's not
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: just in one spot for you to hopefully get. It's
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: literally there every turn, so that way, by the end
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: you're like, uh okay, y and I dig it. I
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: really really love it. I'm trying to think if there
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: was something else in my notes here. I do have
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: one notation chapter ten, Notation eight. Do you have anything
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: that you want to add?
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: I think that was it, like I noted the twenty
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: two places. But also, guys, I'm not gonna read you
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: every annotation word for word, like I've talked about.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: You said an annotation, yes, number eight, this excuse me.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: The category was film production changes. This one was I'm
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: trying to remember which.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: The scene with Yoda where.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: He yes, Anakin and Yona talking about like the like
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: in the movie, we see them discussing like the vague
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: thoughts of him losing a loved one type of thing. Yep,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: And it was not in the original script, but it
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: was something that came in later, so you know, just
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: he outlines everything and I dig like getting a little
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: bit on the inside. And I don't know if there's
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: any more novelizations that go this hard as far as
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: like getting a deluxe edition with annotations and everything else
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: like that, but like I might want more, like I
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: like just to get on the inside of like what
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: lucasfilm is like today.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I have not so I've read The
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: Force Awakens, lash Jeda and Rise of Skywalker. I have
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: not read any of the other novelizations, so I don't
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: know what to tell you.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: However, I just do what to bring out my twentieth
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: anniversary edition.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: Of Air to the Empire, because this is the only
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: other one that has authored notations in it, and you
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: can actually see here, like the annotations are on the
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: side instead of at the bottom.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: That's what I was expecting here.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: I was too so but this one, so this where's
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: one Well you're not gonna be able to see it anyways,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: but this one actually has like initials on the end
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: of an annotation to indicate if it's the author or
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: the editor chiming in. And this one, like Zoon, basically
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: went through the same editing process that Stover did. His
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: script was very tightly controlled. George Lucas had final approval
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: on things, so very very similar, very cool, and they
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: probably chose not to do it this way because there
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: are some let me go back, hang on, like this annotation.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: You can see it's the same annotation on both pages.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: And this one, uh, this one actually has like continued
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: at the top, so form at.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: It well, like and that was there's one from my knowledge.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know how many there are in this book,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: but I know I remember one specifically. There was an
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: annotation that was so long that it actually went onto
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: the other page. And so it's like that can be
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: a little confusing to maybe some people. So yeah, maybe
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: whoever does the next one, try to keep it short
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: next time.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just for comparison, like this is the hard case.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: Ah okay yea.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's the original cover like just imprinted on
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: there and there's no artwork or anything, but it's still
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: one if one of those treasured books.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: So but yeah, well that is it for our review. Remember, guys,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: there is over one hundred annotations throughout this entire book.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: We only covered a few of them from what I
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: saw in what I had gathered, one, two, three, four, five,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: six different notations mentioned other books that he referenced. So
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go look for those books and put them
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: on a list of books to eventually grab. But yeah,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: tons of stuff, Matthew. If I ever get the chance
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: to meet you, I'm sure it'll be a very fun conversation.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: You sound like a very fun individual to sit down with,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: and hopefully that could be something that happens in the
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: near future, because I would love to get this thing signed.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, same here. I know he was at New York
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: Comic Con doing several signings, but I will definitely be
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: checking out where he will be in the future. Obviously,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: I have my Heir to the Empire edition signed from
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: whence On was still doing that at one of his bookstores,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: and so you could actually order the annotation, but now
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: you actually have to pay for the not the annotation,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: the signature.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, signature.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: So yeah, but obviously authors, I mean timothys On is
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: seventy five, I think, so you gotta give the do
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: to break.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and he also signed like all of
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: my books over at Chicago, so he was a really
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: cool dude. But yeah, that is it for our show.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: Of course, I already mentioned Star Wars Alliance over on
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: Blue Sky and threads and Instagram, but you can always
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: find me at Fanboy play over on all of these
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: social medias that we previously mentioned. Go check out Ranger Alliance.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: Jake and I have been going over the most recent
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: Super Sinti series, Go Jusier. Very fun series. There is
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: some theories that we have been talking about how the
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: series is going to end. We've made or we've talked
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: about rumors of the twenty twenty sixth series as well.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: So all fun stuff. So Katie, where can the lovely
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: listeners find and follow you?
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can find me on most social media platforms
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: at place. So Katie, I am trying to be on
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: social media more frequently. My most used platform is Instagram
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: and probably threads. I've been a little more active on threads,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: so that's probably where you guys can find me if
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: you guys are looking for me.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: So, hey, they just they just introduced group chat on threads,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: so maybe we can convince, maybe we can convince the
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: rest of the g u A to jump ship and
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: we can finally be on threads.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we'll see. We'll have to see. So guys,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: with that, I want to wish everyone a great day
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: or night, whatever, whatever time of day you are listening
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: or watching, and we will see you next time. May
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: the Force be with you.