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The Healing Power of Forgiveness · The World Knowledge

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  Speaker 1: Well, good afternoon, listeners. Thank you for listening to Lament
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  Speaker 1: of Hope podcast. And I'm very grateful. This is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a little unconventional, because if you're watching this,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to see it's just the logo for the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: But Dr. Katina and I really tried. And unfortunately, we
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  Speaker 1: weren't able to do video, but that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we, you know, we, it comes up and we
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  Speaker 2: talk about God, whether they're Christian, Muslim, you know, that
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  Speaker 2: everybody here has faith. It's different here in Africa. I
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  Speaker 2: think in general, I mean, obviously, you can't generalize too much,
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  Speaker 2: but certainly in rural Africa, where I've spent most of
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  Speaker 2: my last 26 years, people are very open to religion
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  Speaker 2: and faith. Whether you're Christian, whether you're Muslim, whether you're– actually,
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  Speaker 2: when you're an animist, you say, you know, all this
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  Speaker 2: stuff comes from God, or, you know, I deal a
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  Speaker 2: lot with– I deal a lot with infertile couples here,
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  Speaker 2: and we don't have that many tools at our disposal
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  Speaker 2: to treat infertility. We have a few that are exposure.
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  Speaker 2: We can do a few things, we can do a
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  Speaker 2: few tests, but I just have to say eventually, like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we've done what we can here, but in the end,
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  Speaker 2: all children come help for this kind of thing they
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  Speaker 2: all they all accept it they're not happy they want
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  Speaker 2: to check because for an african woman to not have
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  Speaker 2: a child is the biggest curse they have to have
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  Speaker 2: a kid and uh so it's a huge huge curse
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  Speaker 2: and for a lot of the women if they're infertile
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  Speaker 2: the husband will will divorce them or you know polygamy
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  Speaker 2: here is very common so they just take another wife
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  Speaker 2: but kind of ignore that wife who can't so it's
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  Speaker 2: a shame and that woman It happens all the time here.
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  Speaker 2: They don't divorce so often. Sometimes they do if the
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  Speaker 2: wife can't have a kid. But they'll often just take
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  Speaker 2: on a second or third wife and just ignore that
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  Speaker 2: one that's infertile. And it's a shame. She's in that village,
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  Speaker 2: in that community. It's a big shame on her. She
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  Speaker 2: did something wrong to warrant that infertility. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: terrible burden for them. Um, but they, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: talked to them openly about this thing a lot and they,
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  Speaker 2: they accept it. They don't in issues with death. Nobody,
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  Speaker 2: people here don't fight it. We're in the U S we're,
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  Speaker 2: we're very, our approach to death is that it's almost
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  Speaker 2: like an insult. Like how dare you die? Like you
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  Speaker 2: can't do that. Like that's forever. And, uh, say, well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we don't, but we all do die. And I
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  Speaker 2: remember one thing that struck me, it was one of
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  Speaker 2: our staff. This was a few, some years ago, his
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  Speaker 2: kid died. His baby was like a year old and
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  Speaker 2: the baby had pneumonia. We tried everything to try to
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  Speaker 2: treat this kid and the baby died. And I was crushed.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I was like, I felt so awful.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember saying, look, man, I'm really sorry. You're
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  Speaker 2: about your, your child. And, deal with cody he says
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  Speaker 2: doctor hey doctor don't worry if you know if it's
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  Speaker 2: in god's plan we can't we can't change that and
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  Speaker 2: that was it and he was like like he he
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  Speaker 2: was he was grieving right he was heartbroken his child
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  Speaker 2: died but he accepted it and said look man you
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  Speaker 2: know things happen you know and uh bad things happen
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  Speaker 2: and i can't explain everything but if that's how god
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  Speaker 2: has willed it for whatever reason i don't have all
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  Speaker 2: the answers i'm just gonna accept it and go ahead
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  Speaker 2: you know, kind of like Job, you know, Job was
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  Speaker 2: grieving and distressed and said, you know,