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I Am All In…Again: The Most Unique Episode of the Series (Season 4 E7 “The Festival of Living Art) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in Again.
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  Speaker 2: I Am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcasts. One
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  Speaker 1: of the production's iHeartRadio, iHeart Media, iHeart Podcasts, Festival of
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  Speaker 1: Living Art. We are joined by a very special guest,
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  Speaker 1: Rob Brownstein. He's an actor director, have roles from Bosh
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  Speaker 1: to Young and the Restless Ryan Murphy's American crime story
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  Speaker 1: Kurb Your Enthusiasm, and you can catch him in the
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  Speaker 1: new Michael Jackson biopic. Welcome Rob to the show. How
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  Speaker 1: are you doing, sir?
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  Speaker 3: I'm well, Thank you, thank you, thank you. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: I am well? Thanks You weren't in this episode, and
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  Speaker 1: your role does not appear in until season five.
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  Speaker 3: That's correct.
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  Speaker 1: So so how was it watching another episode from another season?
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  Speaker 3: It was okay, I mean it was fine. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it was interesting.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know how much of your fans
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  Speaker 4: will we'll sort of get this, but it was interesting
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  Speaker 4: to watch a show from twenty years ago, just watching
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  Speaker 4: in a way how TV styles have changed.
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  Speaker 3: But it was great. It was great to watch.
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  Speaker 4: It was you know, what I loved was seeing actors
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  Speaker 4: like Sean Gunn, you know, as a young guy. I thought,
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  Speaker 4: I was just just fantastic. I can go, who's this guy,
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  Speaker 4: Who's this guy? Who's this guy? And I looked at
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  Speaker 4: him and said that Sean gun I would not have
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  Speaker 4: recognized him, so, you know, stuff like that nick Offfernan
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  Speaker 4: seeing him, you know, and and then reminding myself of
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  Speaker 4: just amazing people like Liz Torres, you know, just so cool,
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  Speaker 4: so good.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Well, you played Richard's associate with Lauren Lester, who
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  Speaker 1: we just had on the podcast. He shared common memories
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  Speaker 1: of working with Ed Herman. What was it like for you?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I knew Ed, you know. Actually we had a
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  Speaker 4: really great day Lauren and Ed and I. But I
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  Speaker 4: knew Ed because I had worked with him at a
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  Speaker 4: theater company. I had worked with him at the Williamstown
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  Speaker 4: Theater Company in Massachusetts, and it was my first gig
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  Speaker 4: out of college that summer at Williamstown, and I was
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  Speaker 4: an assistant director on a production of George Bernhardshaw's Canada
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  Speaker 4: that Ed and Blythtander were in, directed by Austin Pendleton,
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  Speaker 4: and in that show was a very young actor. I
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  Speaker 4: believe it was his first gig. He was still in
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  Speaker 4: acting school. David Hyde Pierce. You know, so I knew Ed,
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  Speaker 4: so we got to catch up, We got to talk
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  Speaker 4: about all those things.
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  Speaker 3: He was like, well, what you been doing? You know?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I was like twenty two or something
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  Speaker 4: twenty one when I had met him, and so it
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  Speaker 4: was it was super cool, you know. I mean, he's
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  Speaker 4: just such a lovely guy, or was such a lovely guy,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and we had a great time.
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  Speaker 3: Great.
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  Speaker 1: So you were in a lot of iconic shows there,
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  Speaker 1: Rob La Law, Chicago Hope, Picket Fences. How does Gilmour
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  Speaker 1: Girls compare to those sets?
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  Speaker 4: The set was great. I mean, Scott, you're asking me
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  Speaker 4: you lived on that set?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I wasn't on Chicago, Hope, La Law or Pickage.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay. They were all great sets.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I have to say.
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  Speaker 4: There are very few sets and I will not say
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  Speaker 4: what they are or were that in my whole career.
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  Speaker 3: Were super cool, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And you know my episode was directed also by another
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  Speaker 4: theater guy, Kenny Ortega, you know, so and Lauren, like me,
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  Speaker 4: came from the theater, so we had a lot to
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  Speaker 4: share with Ed and all of us together, they were
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  Speaker 4: super nice. Was a great set, all those sets were great,
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  Speaker 4: very I don't know how to say it. It's not
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  Speaker 4: just professional, but just very welcoming, you know. I think
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  Speaker 4: that's what a good set should be, that you know,
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  Speaker 4: they put you in your best place to do your
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  Speaker 4: best work.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. All right, let's get into the episode Festival of
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  Speaker 1: Living Art air date November four, two thousand and three.
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  Speaker 1: Synopsis is it's the Festival of Living Pictures and stars
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  Speaker 1: Hollow and everyone is taking their roles very very seriously,
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  Speaker 1: including Kirk as Jesus in the Last Supper. Meanwhile, Suki
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  Speaker 1: is passed for due date, and Laane finally finds a
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  Speaker 1: new guitarists all those narratives working in one show. In
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  Speaker 1: one episode of one show, Chris Long directed Daniel Palladino
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  Speaker 1: wrote it, all right, let's talk about rob Let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about Laye. Her band, Sebastian Bach is showing up out
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  Speaker 1: of nowhere. Laine and the band continue their search for
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  Speaker 1: a new guitarist, and then Gil, an older adult, He
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  Speaker 1: didn't look that old to me. I mean, I start,
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  Speaker 1: I start, I felt really old watching the show.
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  Speaker 4: I bet well, you and I both have big white
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  Speaker 4: beards now, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Right, it's like, you know, that was a long time ago,
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  Speaker 1: being Gill's age. On that show, not a young kid
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  Speaker 1: comes in the audition, everyone's surprised by his age. Gil
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  Speaker 1: rocks the audition, but everybody's still thrown off by his
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  Speaker 1: a except for Lane. Lane likes him. We learned that Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's good, he can play, and we learned Gil owns
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  Speaker 1: a sandwich shop in Salisbury and he has a wife
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  Speaker 1: and kids. Zach is really harsh on the he's on
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  Speaker 1: the no Gill train, No way, no how. Don't care
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  Speaker 1: if he's like Joe Perry level. I don't care. If
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  Speaker 1: he's the edge, I don't care who he is. He
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  Speaker 1: ain't gonna be in this band. But when Lane sees
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  Speaker 1: Gil at the festival, she tries to break it to
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  Speaker 1: him because of the age difference. You know, he comes
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  Speaker 1: in the auditions, he kills it, but he doesn't get
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  Speaker 1: the gig. Years old, he doesn't get the gig.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but Scott, it's different now, man.
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  Speaker 4: If you remember back in those days, people who are
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  Speaker 4: over a certain age were the enemy. You know, my kids,
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  Speaker 4: you know, who are twenty one and twenty five. They
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  Speaker 4: don't feel that way, and they didn't feel that way.
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  Speaker 4: So I remember and I had basement fands. You know,
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  Speaker 4: we we had our guitarists. We were always looking for
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  Speaker 4: a drummer. It felt like we scrolled through drummers like this,
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  Speaker 4: These guys scroll through guitarists trying to find somebody who
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  Speaker 4: not only could play drums well, but also had to
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  Speaker 4: have a car because you know, you needed somebody to
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  Speaker 4: drive you around, you know, because I grew up in
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  Speaker 4: New York, so somebody had to have a car to get.
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  Speaker 3: The band around.
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  Speaker 4: So I get it. I totally totally get it. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, I had no problems with it. Man, I
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  Speaker 4: had friends who were the same.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why I was that kid who did
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  Speaker 4: talk to adults. Maybe because I don't know, you know,
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  Speaker 4: my dinner table was a little different. But I totally
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  Speaker 4: get it. Man, I have friends who would never talk
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  Speaker 4: to adults, you know, So at that part I get
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  Speaker 4: you know, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, especially when I grew up, I think we're
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  Speaker 1: probably near the same age. But yeah, when I grew up,
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  Speaker 1: there was definitely a line that was drawn because of
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  Speaker 1: what was going down in the culture Vietnam. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it was just it was just like kids, they just
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  Speaker 1: pulled up the rug and went into their kid world,
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  Speaker 1: the teenage world, the protest world, the anti I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you were twenty five, you were the enemy.
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  Speaker 1: If you were you know right, you know, you had
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  Speaker 1: to be a teenager, you had to be a hippie.
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  Speaker 1: You know. There was just no talking to anybody else. So, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Remember remember that movie.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was Wild in the Streets where they
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  Speaker 4: put everybody over thirty in jail.
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  Speaker 5: You know, that's so good, such a dumb concept, it's
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  Speaker 5: really so.
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  Speaker 3: Stupid, but it was a big movie at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Every all right. He explains why he tried to get
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  Speaker 1: back into music about this band he was in in La.
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  Speaker 1: They were very successful, but then they blew it when
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  Speaker 1: they got a national opening for a big for Quiet Riot.
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  Speaker 1: They were going to go on that big tour. So
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  Speaker 1: if you're if your tour, if you're opening for Quiet Riot, jeez,
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  Speaker 1: at that time, you're probably playing arenas and stadiums. You
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  Speaker 1: might be playing stadiums.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's also it's also super hair band, right,
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  Speaker 4: super super party time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, and you can see super right. So
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  Speaker 1: his explanation as to why it didn't happen. The band
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  Speaker 1: was totally feasible.
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  Speaker 3: But bands, bands break up all the time anyway.
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  Speaker 4: I mean that's the other thing, you know, Mike, my
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  Speaker 4: older kid as a musician, and I remember she had
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  Speaker 4: this two person band when she was in middle school
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  Speaker 4: and they had problems and broke up.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, it's a very fickle business. Yeah, I got tossed.
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  Speaker 1: I was in I started a band with my buddy,
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  Speaker 1: who's a drummer, still is in third grade. We took
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  Speaker 1: it all the way through high school. And the guitar player,
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  Speaker 1: the lead guitar player's girlfriends started taking a shine to me.
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  Speaker 1: So I got tossed and I didn't even reciprocate. But
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  Speaker 1: then after I got tossed, guess what happened.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, I don't know. They got the edge and they
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  Speaker 3: became you too. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got the girl.
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  Speaker 3: Oh there you go.
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  Speaker 1: I got revenge, but it was real. So you tossed me,
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  Speaker 1: you toss her.
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  Speaker 3: So we've learned that revenge is the thing for you, Right,
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  Speaker 3: that's what we've learned. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't revenge, it was love.
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  Speaker 3: Did you marry her?
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  Speaker 1: No? It was short lived, but a wonderful experience. Wonderful experience,
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  Speaker 1: And we're friends to this day. So anyway, we hear
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  Speaker 1: that story. Laine is actually very moved by his story
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  Speaker 1: of how the band, his band, his LA band, blew
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  Speaker 1: up and she gives him the gig on the spot.
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  Speaker 1: And I like that about her. I really like that
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  Speaker 1: about her. It doesn't feel right. She's going against the
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  Speaker 1: other two guys. You know, Zach is going to become
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriend and her husband and the father of her child.
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  Speaker 1: And she just says, you're in. You got it. She ain't.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like she wants the dream more than the
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  Speaker 1: other two because if you're going to reject somebody based
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. I get why she's still it,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, the guy could clearly play.
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  Speaker 1: So there you go, you got a shot it at
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  Speaker 1: having some kids.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that's it, man.
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  Speaker 4: I think she took him in because of his story,
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  Speaker 4: because she's just more grown up. Because the truth is
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  Speaker 4: is teenage girls are more grown up than teenage boys, right.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's the bottom line, you know, for her.
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  Speaker 4: And actually I thought it was the sweetest moment of
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  Speaker 4: the episode, you know, in some ways, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 1: It was a strange episode, but it was a very
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  Speaker 1: It was a very interesting episode, the most unique episode
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  Speaker 1: of that entire series and maybe other series as well.
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  Speaker 1: When have you ever seen anything like that? But anyway, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I agree, very very sweet moment. What were your first
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  Speaker 1: impressions of Sebastian Bach.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, dude, I was in bands like that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I was just like I mean, I was in all
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  Speaker 4: these basement bands in New York, you know, and in
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  Speaker 4: my neighborhood. I don't know if you remember a band
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  Speaker 4: called Mountain you know, Leslie West was from my neighborhood.
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  Speaker 4: Mississippi Queen Man, Mississippi Queen correct.
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  Speaker 3: And then the New York Dolls were from my neighborhood.
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  Speaker 4: My best friend's older brother was the original original drummer.
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  Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, he was. It's fucky actually acted okay.
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  Speaker 4: For a musician, you know, and I thought I thought
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  Speaker 4: he did fine.
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  Speaker 3: I just I.
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  Speaker 4: Will say I was a little impressed with his guitar play.
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  Speaker 4: I know it's such a weird thing to say, you know,
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  Speaker 4: but he was doing that finger touch thing, playing with
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  Speaker 4: his fingers up on the thing, which I know is
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  Speaker 4: like big these last few years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's doing the eddie, the Eddie Van Halen thing.
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  Speaker 3: The Eddie van Halen thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess that's who they were trying to pattern
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  Speaker 4: him after.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know that he was actually playing. I
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  Speaker 1: think he can play like that, but they I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that they were. They weren't plugged in and playing.
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  Speaker 1: That was overdubbed.
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  Speaker 3: But he was still doing it.
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  Speaker 1: He was still doing it, Yes he was.
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  Speaker 3: And his fingers were moving. I'm a guitar player. I
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  Speaker 3: can tell you know right they were doing it. It
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  Speaker 3: was interesting.
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  Speaker 4: You know, when a pro comes into an amateur thing,
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  Speaker 4: what does it do? You know, what does it do?
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  Speaker 4: Same thing in theater companies? You know, it kind of
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  Speaker 4: throws everything off.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we'll come back to the band stuff. Suki
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  Speaker 1: and her pregnancy or save you the best for last
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  Speaker 1: with the festival itself. Jackson's brother Bo is in town
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  Speaker 1: for the birth Nick Offerman. This is where we see
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  Speaker 1: Nick Offerman and they let laurel I know they are
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  Speaker 1: having the baby at home, and they give Laura I
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  Speaker 1: a baby pager. They found a midwife, a woman named Bruce.
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  Speaker 1: When Lorelei meets her, she feels that laurele I is
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  Speaker 1: anti midwife energy, which is curate Laurel is opposed to this.
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  Speaker 1: Suki comes over to Lorelei and is freaking out because
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  Speaker 1: the baby is stuck in there. She calms her down
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  Speaker 1: with baby box. With her baby box, so Lurli brings
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  Speaker 1: out all of her memories of another sweet moment in
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  Speaker 1: the show of when Rory was just a baby. Suki
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  Speaker 1: is baby is coming when laurl I is actually up
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  Speaker 1: on stage in the festival as the Renoir Girl and
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  Speaker 1: is frozen in place for at least five minutes, so
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  Speaker 1: she cannot answer the page, Rob what do you think
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  Speaker 1: of Suki's reaction to the baby arriving past his due date?
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  Speaker 1: Is she handling it?
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  Speaker 3: Well? Do you have kids, Scott?
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  Speaker 1: I do? I do?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I don't know. Man, I've known parents
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  Speaker 4: who you know, who've had that and have pretty much
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  Speaker 4: been like that, you know. So I thought that part
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  Speaker 4: was fairly realistic, you know. I thought Bruce herself was
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  Speaker 4: a little overkilled, you know. I mean, I used Adula
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  Speaker 4: and she was very hostile. But I suppose that that
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  Speaker 4: was funny at the time. I thought Nick Offerman was hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, great cameo, great camera.
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  Speaker 3: Just hilarious. And U I mean I don't know. You know,
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  Speaker 3: that was the time.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I my, you know, my, we we talked
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  Speaker 4: about having we had a doula for our older kid,
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  Speaker 4: even though we did have have the kid at Cedars,
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  Speaker 4: and we talked about having having her at home.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it was happening right right.
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  Speaker 4: And I remember that hospitals were very I remember our
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  Speaker 4: doula even at Cedars here in La at a big
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  Speaker 4: groovy hospital.
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  Speaker 3: Some of the doctors were hostile to her, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And she was the nicest lady, do you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean?
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  Speaker 4: She was the absolute nicest lady, Like like if you
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  Speaker 4: met her at a bus stop, you know, you'd tell
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  Speaker 4: her your whole life story. She was the nicest human being.
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  Speaker 4: And they were hostiles. So I mean that part, I
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  Speaker 4: guess is great. It was truthful.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Let's get to the festival here, man, what
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  Speaker 1: a production this was. Yeah, the town meeting, Taylor announced
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  Speaker 1: the Stars Hollow gets to host the festival Living Pictures
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  Speaker 1: after Woodbury canceled it last minute due to a flood,
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  Speaker 1: and they have a one week to prep Taylor and
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  Speaker 1: the town one week. Taylor and buff Otis. Buff Otis
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  Speaker 1: announced the cast for the paintings, Kirk gets assigned Christ
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  Speaker 1: and the Last Supper. Rory gets cast this portrait of
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  Speaker 1: a young Antia and Lorelei does not get listed as
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  Speaker 1: the ren Wir Girl because seven years prior she flinched
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  Speaker 1: when she got her shot and that is just not
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  Speaker 1: acceptable to Taylor. But Rory uses her persuasions of Antie
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  Speaker 1: to give Lorelai a chance as the ren War Girl again.
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  Speaker 1: As they're prepping for the festival, they are missing half
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  Speaker 1: the table. Taylor's rival in Woodbury sabotages that he wants
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  Speaker 1: to cance. Taylor wants to cancel a festival, but Kirk
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  Speaker 1: as Jesus, convinces him and the town not to be discouraged.
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  Speaker 1: I found this quite interesting to see the range of
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  Speaker 1: Sean Gunn because he kind of took on this, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this theatrical, almost Shakespearean bent portraying that character. Just had
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  Speaker 1: a great time watching him in this episode. I think
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  Speaker 1: this is one of his his better These last two
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  Speaker 1: episodes for him were just really great, really showed off
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  Speaker 1: what he could do. So the night of the festival,
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  Speaker 1: Royer is up first and then Judas and Jesus are
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  Speaker 1: fighting backstage and Judas was played by the town troubadour
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  Speaker 1: Grantly Phillips by the way, the Last Supper is up next,
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  Speaker 1: and they continue to fight until the curtain opens. During
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  Speaker 1: the festival, and Nicole visits Luke and suggests maybe they
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  Speaker 1: are rushing into a divorce and asks if they can
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  Speaker 1: pick up where they left off and postpone the divorce
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  Speaker 1: and begin dating again. Laurel is almost up as the
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  Speaker 1: renoir girl and starts to freak out because she flinched
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  Speaker 1: when she gets up on stage. As I have stated
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  Speaker 1: prior Suki's baby page, it goes off while she is
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  Speaker 1: frozen in position, but she does not flinch. After the
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  Speaker 1: curtain closes, they run to Rory and Laurel I run
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  Speaker 1: to Suki's house. Okay, this is a favorite among fans
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  Speaker 1: because the whole story revolves around stars Hollow and all
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  Speaker 1: the residents. But the best part I think is Kirk
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  Speaker 1: being Kirk. Would you would you agree?
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  Speaker 4: I loved him. I thought he was great. I loved
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: everything about him. I loved writing at the beginning where
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: he comes in and he just has to repeat that
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  Speaker 4: he has a girlfriend forty two times.
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  Speaker 3: You know how you doing? I'm good. My girlfriend's good too.
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  Speaker 3: You know, have a scene. Yeah, my girlfriend's going to
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: sit next to us too.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I thought that was hilarious and and I like,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: you man, I love that he just decided, Okay, I'm
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: going to take on this part of Jesus and I'm
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: going to go in there, and then he takes over
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  Speaker 4: and saves the day.
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  Speaker 3: I thought he was great, you know, he was. He
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: was just terrific. You know, I mean, you know what
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: am I going to say?
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  Speaker 4: You give some writing notes, like, you know, should he
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: have forgiven Judas? You know, yeah, twenty five years later,
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  Speaker 4: let's do some writing notes. But listen, I got to
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: interview you here. How do you feel about the fact
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: that your ex in the middle of all this stride
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  Speaker 4: comes back?
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  Speaker 3: How do you feel today looking back at that?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I didn't care for it. I think this
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: was an episode that Luke could have been better utilized,
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  Speaker 1: maybe not as part of the festival, but a little
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  Speaker 1: more involved. And I know he's you know, his his
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: nature is to stay away from this nut job thing,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it was a missed opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: Did he build the table?
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Yes he did, and they should have showed that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that part, I agree, Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think they should have showed that because he was
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: a little too he was a little too detached. I mean,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: there's there's there's there's not. There's you know, criticizing the town,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: being grumpy about it, and then there's just being a complete,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: you know, malcontent and I and he's going through a
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: tough time, he's going through divorce, whatever. But still, you know,
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  Speaker 1: let the powers of the charms of that town and
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: those characters lure him in to a more soothing reality.
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  Speaker 3: So you want you wanted to see that.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I did want to see that. I wanted to see
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  Speaker 1: the real power of the town to affect that character.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's to make him actually, to bring him back
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  Speaker 4: to doing the table.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, that's that's my Twenty five years later,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: we write, I got it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: Okay, here's the last one. But this one I just
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: figured out. How come you know Suki's regular, but you
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: don't know Laura is regular?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: What do you mean regular?
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Her regular order?
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  Speaker 4: You just say to usual and she goes, yeah. But
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: with Luralize, she doesn't have a usual.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Because Suki, Suki and Luke are supposed to be at
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: odds and she Suki doesn't come in there I'm.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Sorry, not Suki the daughter. When the two when the
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: mother and daughter come in. Sorry, I'm getting the names
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: mixed up. When the daughter and mom come in and
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  Speaker 4: she orders all this huha, and then you just turn
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: to the daughter and you go the usual.
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  Speaker 1: And she goes, yeah right.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, how come you don't know her usual?
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Good question?
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: All right, that's as good as I got for you.
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  Speaker 5: Man.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry that I couldn't do anything better.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: You know. That's Dan rather esque right there. Wow, And
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: it's prime. Maybe maybe because the nature of teenage girls,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: they changed their mind a lot.
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  Speaker 3: On No, it's the mom who changes their mind.
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  Speaker 1: That's something.
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  Speaker 5: There.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: You go, it's a very good question.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: This is what happens when you invite somebody who who like,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: was not a watcher of the show. Like he watches
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: the show and goes, oh, this is interesting. I mean
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: I saw a couple of episodes, but it wasn't you know,
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: my thing at the time. My daughter, on the other hand,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: has watched every episode. You know, she's the one you
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: should have on. You know, we might do that. So
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: let me ask you this. This is sort of off
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: off topic.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, So you were in New York and you were
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: there during that ground swell of the punk movement there
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: correct with you know, people like Patti Smith and so
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: on and so so so you were were you hanging
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: out in these places? Were you hanging out and cbgbts
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: were you? Were you at max Kansas City? Were you
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: at these places? Did you see the band?
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  Speaker 4: The answer is yes and no, only because I was
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: pre CBGB's. Max's Kansas City was pre CBGB's and those bands.
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  Speaker 4: CBGB's had not opened yet when I was hanging out
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: and there was a club called the Coventry which was
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: in Queens.
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  Speaker 1: What year What year are we talking? We talked in
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: late sixties, early seventies. What mid seventies.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: We're talking early seventies, you know, so so so Patty
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Smith was around, but that whole CBGB's thing had not
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: quite half and yet.
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  Speaker 3: But I went to Maxis Kansas City.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: I was there for the iconic night that Iggy, who
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: was a stooge then not a pop threw himself into
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: the audience and landed on the tables and cut himself
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: up and had to be taken off on a stretcher.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: I was, Yeah, that was one of my regular places
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: at the Coventry. The Dolls, among many other bands were
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: huge headliners, and the Ramones had not hit yet, but
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: they were hanging around. They were there in their leather
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: in that look already as a group hanging around. There
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: was the Mercer Arts Center, there was the Academy of
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Music on Thirteenth Street. So yeah, so the answer is
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: yes and no. But those those times were a little separate,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Right right right. I was in New York a lot
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: in the in the mid seventies.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: I mean I was there, but by then I was
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: in college, and you know, I was doing theater and
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: you know, chasing girls and just trying to survive in college.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: You know, I wasn't getting to go to clubs, so
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: you were.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: So you really did come up through that the sixties
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: revolutionary student movements and the hippie movement.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Late sixties, early seventies. Yes, we marched.
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  Speaker 4: I remember my high school we had a big we
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: had a big like walkout where we went to protest
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: and do a march against the Vietnam War, you know, and.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I had long hair.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: I remember a couple of times being harassed by cops
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: on the street for having long hair, being called a
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: dirty hippie.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Long hair, hippie free.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: And I was like seventeen, Like, come on, dude, really
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: barely peach fuzz on my face.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: It was so stark back then, the vision, right.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: But music was so great, dude.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Not only was that, there was so much great stuff,
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: you know, the British Invasion.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: I remember going to.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: See David Bowie and Roxy Music and Jeff Beck and
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: I mean so cool.
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  Speaker 3: There's so much great music at the time.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna wrap it up, everybody. Thanks to
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Ron Brownstein for coming on and sharing his insights. Best
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: fans on the planet, and remember where you lead, we
• 27:30
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