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Inside DC’s Secret Museum! #208 · The Magic Guys

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They're guys they do magic they are the magic guys.
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Ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 208
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of the magic guys guys guys guys to my
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right today we've got nick k welcome to
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the show friends down below we've got
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daddy doug con what's up oh yeah i'm
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josh norbedo welcome to the show where we as professional magicians
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talk about our lives the things that go with it interview cool
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guests and talk about today david
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copperfield's secret museum bloody i
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have i have forever in a day wanted to
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be a part of of that tour and i think my like i would cry if i saw some of the
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things that exist within that museum i mean oh we you would i seared up several
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times yeah i will definitely all the ones that that that that would have affected you but like.
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You know you got to know where you came from to know where you're
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going and i really enjoy doing these history pods where we
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talk about some of the figures in in the history game it is
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so special that you know there is a single place thank you mr david copperfield
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for bringing that together and sharing it with us but man if there's ever an
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opportunity to scope that out i would far out i would hop a flight i would hop
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on the flight and just go without even thinking about it so yeah i I mean,
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should we jump straight into what it's like to be the experience from like the moment you arrive?
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Like, can we give us the build? Like, first of all, how do you even get an invite
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to something that exclusive?
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Yeah. First thing you do is manifest your destiny, right?
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So you make a dream like Nick's talking about and set your goals.
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And this was one of mine for sure.
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When I was coming to Las Vegas, I knew that this museum was something I wanted
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to do. And then one of the top three or four things really. So that's step one.
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I happen to have made pretty good buddies with Nick Defott, who is a wonderful
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comedy magician you might be familiar with.
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He's currently, or he just wrapped up headlining the Mad Apple show here in,
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I guess, the Cirque du Soleil production.
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And got a message from him Friday. I might've been in the middle of the night
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and he said, here's Kenner's number. You're going to the museum tomorrow.
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And so I messaged Chris Kenner and now I have Chris Kenner's cell number. Let's go.
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And we'll start the bidding at $900. Let's all message him at the same time and say, send nudes.
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There's going to be so much flex on this podcast today.
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From yeah yeah bloody
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hell and i said yeah be here at 11 15 p.m which is generally past my bedtime
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but i took a nap and i got up at 10 p.m and went to corby's yeah i have a couple pictures.
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So Corby's is the storefront They portray it as David's father's,
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Haberdashery And the initials of this business Have
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to do with his family And this is where the tour
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starts At Corby's There's about eight of
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us in the middle of the night Right outside the Mandalay Bay
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In a warehouse district And Chris greets
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everyone And we have a little soiree there
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I met one of your buddies From down under at
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that soiree jackson aces that's right
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yeah that was wild to see the photo
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on facebook of youtube meeting up and just uh
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yeah yeah jackson had messaged me he
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was doing something here some kind of gig i think with
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the rugby league which was in town doing some stuff.
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And he needed help with the show and i turned.
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Him on to a cool street performer on fremont and
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it was nice to give a young young artist
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the opportunity to work with a bigger stage event like
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jackson was doing but yes i knew he.
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Was in town didn't know he would be at copperfields there are some other luminaries
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there you might have heard of the shocker greg dowell he
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does the wrestling character he's been on the late
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night magic show you know as a wrestling fan
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yeah pretty happy to see his face yeah they
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were doing a show at the orleans uh during magic live it's i think
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i think run by bizarro if memory says correct and i
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saw bizarro last week and this saturday they're
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actually wrapping up that venue and their last performance will
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be on the 8th so i'm gonna go see they're renovating
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the showroom so they might come back to that
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space but for a while it'll be the last one and again
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another show i was on my checklist bizarro and
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friends of late night magic the shocker you know
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i was looking to meet him and another
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person is holly england often a
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female magician and she was at museum as
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well so yeah wow so so
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you guys are all gathered around what appears to be this haberdashery you mentioned
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which is a reflection of copperfield's father's shop when they first when they
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first immigrated to the u.s wow i don't know the exact history of that but i
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can I can show you the store maybe here. I don't know if this will pick it up too.
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So that's the Corby storefront.
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And the photo opportunities are limited here. I have one maybe.
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There I am with your buddy, Jackson.
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There he is. If he's your buddy, you might hate him. I don't know.
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He's a great guy. I don't know your skit. And then if you peek in the window,
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there's some David Copperfield memorabilia.
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It's interesting. He said when he was starting out, they used to print bags
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and flyers and take them out to the New York City streets to promote the event.
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So, yeah, in the parking lot, we're all out there. it's about 11
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30 and then here comes david pulling up in a
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car and chris is like david's here it's time to start i'm
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curious does he i don't imagine this guy drives
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i imagine he is like chaperoned everywhere yeah probably i don't imagine he's
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driven a car since he was like 20 chris canner has confirmed he doesn't have
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a driver's license he doesn't drive like like zero percent chris has a license
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let me tell you about the speedster he was driving out of there.
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I don't know what it was but it went and left very quickly,
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to work he's got a nice ride i know that one of the jobs of being an assistant
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of david copperfield is you have to to drive him you know from the theater to
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his home and things like that and i believe i believe people that would start
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working they didn't know that was a job of this And they're like,
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I don't have a car that's like equipped to drive this kind of magic royalty
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around. And he's like, yeah, don't worry about it.
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So you might be in Vegas and you just see a normal, I don't know what the brands are over there.
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A normal Corolla. And you look over it, you got bloody DC in the car.
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But okay, yeah. So he just rocks up. And I guess that's when you know, all right, it's go time.
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Right. Yeah. And it's, it's, it's very much a scripted event from David's end, right?
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Like he, he, what, what happens here is David does very much theatrical pieces
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in this museum, presenting the different areas and magic effects and some of the history.
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Chris provides the tour guide
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experience a little more q a and chris seems
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to know everything about everything like you know
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he was explaining the poster process for putting these big sheets on the canvas
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and you know how those end up in display and huge racks i can imagine i can
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imagine he'd be deeply into that if you've ever been to chris's home he has
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he's a very big movie buff and has amazing posters.
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He actually has one of Jaws that compasses the entire wall. And it's a very
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large home he has, you can imagine.
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And movie memorabilia is as far as the eye can see in some capacity.
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He's got an armory of a lot of guns and things that were used in previous movies.
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So it's, yeah, trust Chris to have a great knowledge of those sort of experiences.
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There's also another magician.
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He's in Queensland, isn't he? Who collects posters. His name escapes me now.
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Dang it. But yeah, he has like hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of like
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posters and they're all like, he's got like an entire floor of his house dedicated
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to it and they're filed away. That's how many he has.
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But yeah. You know, like posters, the size of your wall, he must've had a hundred
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on a rack. And these are posters from the 1800s or 1900s.
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Beautiful, vibrant colors. These Thurston and Carter and Dante and just. Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, it's really amazing how not excited you are about posters until you're
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actually in front of them.
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You're in front of a genuine panel that's been torn off a building and it was
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there promoting the show at the theater.
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I realized they were producing these with such elegance and beauty a hundred years ago.
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It's really amazing that they were able to do what they did in quantity and
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that it survived time as well as it has, at least on display in David's museum.
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Him he does restore i think some of the items yeah
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yeah it's a shame to almost think how many of these posters were
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just thrown to the trash and you know never to
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be seen again when they're actual not only bits of magical history
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but beautiful pieces of art yeah yeah
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well thanks to guys like dc who i i
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termed it his passion project which is you know
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very much what it is a labor of love it's there's no
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admission price to go see this and he's been
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doing this for like 20 years now him and chris taking people
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through this i consider it a walk through time
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you know to to see all of our great masters
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come to life and you see their props and and just
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to unselfishly share this collection i think is a
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beautiful thing you know it's like wow now
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just to be clear there's a question was in the chat this is an
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invite only experience correct yeah and
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i know people here that are kind of like wow you got to go.
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I've been here years and haven't i've been wishing i can
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you know and i'm like sorry but i think
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also yes i'm a little bit older than some of those guys i've been around a while
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i've done a few more things you know so when you do a few more things you might
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get the invite a little quicker so so currently we're we've had a bit of a chat
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we're in this shop at what point does it go from this shop and how does it transition
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into going into a museum.
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So in the shop, David explains about his family and yada, yada.
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He gives everyone a business card from actually like it's his boy business card.
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So you get a little memorabilia at that point. And then...
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He opens a secret door from this haberdashery room, and suddenly we're in,
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essentially, the museum tour starts in a media room.
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So we all sat down on some nice couches and watched a sizzle reel for about
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five minutes, you know, remembering David's greatest works and getting some
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of his references into modern media and how much of an icon he is,
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which he really is, right?
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Right. This media room houses his Emmys, which are like two dozen. Oh, wow.
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It's so insane to be like, here we go. And well, there is 24 Emmys.
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And that speaks volumes that a magic variety show can attain notoriety in its
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field, you know, and well-deserved.
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He worked his butt off on those shows. You know how much work goes into editing a TikTok.
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Imagine doing it for national television an
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hour worth of solid magic yeah yeah
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meaningful math beautiful meaningful heartfelt magic oh man so you're in this
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media room you then press on into a so after the media room we go to a photo
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op which is through a few stage illusions like i I don't know.
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Can we see DC floating in here? Yep.
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Yeah. Nice. Nice. Barely.
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That's a generic photo op that we take. And I think it gives a couple of things
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for the tour to get situated here.
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And we're doing this like the death saw is in this room. You know,
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that big spiral. The real one.
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Nice. So big. You know, the floating couch illusion is in this room.
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And this room is also a bit under construction. they're
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building an elevator and accordingly it's always
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under construction this place does not rest on its laurels
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they're always doing something there so yeah
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we do our here's the best stuff okay we do the photo op and
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we go through and david begins his presentation
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on how he got started in magic he said
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he saw a pitchman at macy's and he
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had the gentleman's name and he had the trick this gentleman was
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doing as a little a little board where things
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appeared and vanished on top of the board and it was really nice to hear about
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the first trick that he saw and what he thought of the guy that did it and how
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he purchased the trick from this pitchman and this is happening like under a
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spotlight on the pitch counter and there's music going on and then he says this he He says,
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and then I discovered Tannins,
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Tannins Magic Shop,
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and then the lights come up, and you are in Tannins.
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Let me flip around Trick Supply here a little bit and give you an idea.
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We're in the Magic Shop here. We can look at what a Magic Shop looks like.
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So imagine, you know, elegant magic from Tannins in the mid 70s,
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expertly recreated with sound music, expert lighting and David Copperfield talking
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about his, his, you know,
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comeuppance through Tannins and some of the magicians that he met in that space.
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Now, Doug, I'm curious, how much has Tannins changed over the years?
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Like I've visited it every time I go to New York.
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Yeah. And it looks, it does seem to change every now and again.
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Like I asked David, he had an emblem on the ground and I was like,
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is that from the original Tannins?
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He said, no, we had to reproduce this because, and then he explained that this,
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the Tannins now is in a totally different location than the one that he used to go to.
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So this store has very much changed. But I think the current owner has kind
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of like captured the essence that it had back in the day that maybe it had lost
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for a couple decades with other owners.
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So I think if you go to Tannins now, you'd be pretty happy to be there and,
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you know, in that environment.
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It's great. I'll tell you, I'd be real happy to be in David Copperfield's version of Tannins.
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It's just breathtaking. that is the way to sell magic effects is to have the
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theater lighting go down the spotlight on music starting to play in the background.
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He's got a set of tar bells on the on the
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counter and he picks up tar bell seven and flips to
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the page where his first effect was published at the
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age of 16 he's in tar bell
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number seven harry lorraine put the minto pin
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in there and david had
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a box with that item for i don't know it's a
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it's a real trick because that's my trick from parbell
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wow what what is a 16 david copperfield like like because when did he start
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getting aired on tv doug was it in his early 20s wow he had some great stories
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about that too he used to work with doug henning in his early days mentoring
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him and Doug Henning actually cast him aside,
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insinuating that he was too big to do the work that needed to be done.
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The illusions and the trap doors were.
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Oh, physically too big. Right.
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Chris later tells the story of when David buys some of Doug Henning's collection,
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and he said, right off the truck,
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David got the metamorphosis out and got inside it and climbed out of the trap
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door and went, fuck you, Doug Henning.
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Oh.
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It's so funny. Ah, uh, I can, but you know, Doug, Doug was like what?
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Five, three or something.
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So you get a David is six foot and Doug Henning's a small dude.
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So I can understand, you know?
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Yeah. I remember Dave being about my height. So, and I don't know if he's shrunk
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all too much given his age. I know that does happen. Plus he's got the padding.
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He projects like six inches bigger than he actually is. Let's talk about that real quick.
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So this is, this is a legitimate thing where, so the theory is,
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for those listening that you know he's how old's copperfield now 60s i think,
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possibly even 70s 55 he's got
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to be pushing 70 maybe there you go so he doesn't look like he looks like he
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looks better than me he looks like a billionaire that's what it is but yeah
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basically your physicality and testosterone that leaves your body like you don't
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have a Nibido type physique forever. Okay.
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68. That's how old he is.
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We're pushing 70. I was told this a long time ago that he actually wears a body
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suit and then puts on his shirts and so forth.
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That would be a lot of,
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process. I can't imagine, you know, the hair.
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The hair is probably not his. I mean, it's his, but There's some work going on, for sure.
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I wonder if, because I've heard about the bodysuit as well,
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and I've also, I've not seen him with my own eyes, but I've seen,
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I've heard people talk about how,
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there are certain photos out there that actually he does look square,
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like because of the yeah padding or whatever
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but but i wonder if he actually does
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that also because in some of his illusions he has to be wearing some kind of
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harnesses and stuff so by always having that look to him it never changes when
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he's doing different effects i wonder like doing chung wing su but he's david
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copperfield i was just thinking that yeah yeah Yeah,
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I wonder if that's what it has to do with.
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Chen Ling Su was a big feature of this tour, as were all the great magicians,
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every single one of them.
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Wait, you tell me he has the fishbowl in the warehouse?
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Does he have the exact fishbowl? I mean, you can only show so many props.
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Let's say we get done with Tannen's room, and now we're going to begin our walk
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through the history of magic. And this room might have actually scratched that
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after Tannins, you walk through,
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I guess it's like the ultimate magic shop where he has every single prop you
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can freaking imagine, you know,
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displayed in row after row after row, elegantly lit and, you know,
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all the Thayer stuff, all the Mickamay stuff, all the Abbott stuff,
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you know, and it's just row after row after row.
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That's what happens after the Tannen shop because if you think that was a cool
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shop this one you know you want a ball and base which one of the 50 would you like to look at.
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Yeah like I got a gig on the weekend DC do you mind if I,
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borrow bloody some Ty Vernon's cups and balls and he performed a couple of the
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pieces too as you come into this room he had like just a little little weird
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wooden things that aren't really even super foolers but obviously that are,
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special to him and I'm not even sure what I saw, but it was cool, you know?
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And so he's given a demonstration of some of these items as well.
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I asked him if he rotates the items. He goes, yeah, I change it up all the time.
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Did you see the way? I'm just talking to David Copperfield. Like,
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hey, Dave, you do that? Yeah.
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Yeah. Wow. Did you get to see a performance of the orange tree?
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I've heard he has an orange tree illusion.
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Yeah. So that wraps up the tour, basically.
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Um well let's say that's a
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jump ahead yeah i was gonna ask myself because there's there's you
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know so i i have the copperfield history of magic book
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which is basically examples of the
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things he has in his museum and i i
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read this uh only a few months ago and saw so many beautiful things so like
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can we can we talk about some of the things that you saw as far as histories
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related because what i'm most interested in is the one that we spoke about a
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few weeks ago where we're talking about the human index was that jacket on display.
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That was not mentioned. Is that like a sideshow act, like a vaudeville act where
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he produced any paper at will? Or are you talking more about Jimmy Grippo?
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Yeah, I'm talking about the Arthur Lloyd one that we spoke about a few weeks
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ago where you would say something to the effect of, so just a quick brief history on this.
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This particular person would have a cloak, a jacket, if you will, I've kind of shown here.
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And they would say name any card and they
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go four hearts he's like no no no any card and he's
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like all right amex and he goes boom
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and pulls out an amex so yeah and
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so he would he was this human index and was able to produce
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like almost anything and then what happened was after he'd passed
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copperfield purchased it and what had
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happened was they emptied out all the
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pockets dry cleaned and then sent it to him because they said
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it was kind of dirty and dusty we didn't want to do that but the thing is
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by doing that all the secrets that
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lied within whoops yeah and
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so that secret is now lost to time yeah
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and i just thought imagine like seeing that that would have been i'll reminisce a
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bit about kind of the way it went through because you can how
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much can you show in really two hours right you gotta like and when you show
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things it starts with people that influence david like marvin roy mr electric
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who did an act with all electricity he's got his 5 000 watt light bulb there
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channing pollack is shown mark wilson.
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Vernon has a section. Cardini has a section.
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These are kind of more modern masters that David would have been influenced by as a aspiring artist.
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Did he celebrate any female magicians like Adelaide Herman?
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The very last thing we went through is a new exhibit that focuses on women in magic.
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The newest area is it's a research area where there's just volumes and volumes, these folders.
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You know, like I looked in one and there's four volumes of Kalang,
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the magician, you know, magazine articles, newspaper clippings and things like that.
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And just think, so if you want to research any magician, that's there.
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And then as you walk through that, you go into the women in magic section.
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This will give you an idea of how David is. They couldn't get one of the TVs to turn on.
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He calls the guy at home at one in the morning to ask this dude where his remote is.
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You know you can imagine being on david's workforce
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you know the phone's going to ring at one in the morning sometimes i
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guess they didn't find the remote and he was obviously displeased
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i don't think he likes it when things don't go well so well you don't get to
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where he is without you don't get to where he is without this element of perfection
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you know yeah so yeah you gotta respect the hustle yeah prior to that he did
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speak of other women in magic i was surprised to hear that Adelaide Herman from the Herman family,
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who was really one of our forefathers,
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was one of the more successful acts from that lineage. Adelaide Herman, female magician.
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And then you see how that act actually got passed down and you get to see this whole lineage from.
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Alexander Herman to Keller, and Keller passed it to Thurston,
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and Thurston passed it to Dante.
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And I guess some other guys might've got it then, but fascinating how really
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the great magicians were all built upon kind of Alexander.
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You know, they started with what he was doing and just made it bigger and bigger and bigger.
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And when, when Keller passed the mantle to Thurston, it was a financial transaction.
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You know, it wasn't a mentor telling someone you're great and you deserve the,
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no, it was Thurston shelling out the box to get Keller's open.
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Case so that his tour would be a success wow and so on.
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Did they talk much about like you know
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expert at the card table and their theories on who possibly you
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know urdinese and might be did they did
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not you know we the only really close-up focus was
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given to dive vernon and i did ask
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if marlo had a section and chris talked a
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bit about marlo marlo i guess did not have a
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section but close-up magic was not
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the forte of this evening's experience and you
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know i don't think it's david's passion as much so probably
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that's why you know he's a stage guy he does
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you're saying there's no shin limb
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exhibit in there yet if there was that would
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have been when i took a nap during the tour a little few z's rested my eyes
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for a minute i was gonna ask if there was anything of max malini's in there
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but he was sort of notorious for arriving at events with nothing on him and
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just improv-ing awesomeness. I'm sure there is.
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I'm confident that there's something from everyone of notoriety in this room.
26:28
I can't imagine that anyone's left out.
26:30
If anything's left out, it's just the amount of time that he can tell stories on the tour.
26:35
Yeah, Magic Buzz is asking, what about the moon? Did he have the moon in his way?
26:40
You know, I probably would not have got a favorable glance if I'd asked that
26:45
question. That's funny.
26:47
Oh, so much. So Chunling Su, was his gun actually there that was used for his?
26:55
There was. Yeah. There was.
26:57
Is it a rifle? Is it a handheld thing? Rifle.
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Rifle. Musket kind of deal. Wow. Damn.
27:06
All the people we just mentioned, he showcased props from, you know,
27:10
the original sawing in half was there.
27:13
The original floating lady was there. You know, and he showed the rig and explained
27:17
about how it's probably not what you think it is. And we got...
27:21
Yeah, I imagine that he probably has the largest collection of Houdini's stuff.
27:27
So that's kind of where this tour just keeps getting more and more intense.
27:32
After you leave, we see David's influences in history, and then we see the history
27:37
of magic from, like I just said, Herman and Thurston.
27:41
And then we go into the granddaddies, which are Houdini and Houdan.
27:47
And this area is huge. and
27:51
really who Dan gets the lion's share
27:54
of the time and in this space we get to see his his clocks that have no you
28:02
know no gears on them they're like encased in glass the half the hands move
28:06
you know and he was making these in the 1800s a couple of the pieces of the autonomons.
28:16
He displayed one where a bird was singing and the woman was telling the bird
28:22
it was the wrong song and the bird corrected the song very ornate we got to
28:27
price and i asked well how much is something like this worth oh there's really
28:31
no way to tell but probably in the neighborhood of 15 to 20 million dollars,
28:38
it's a wind-up toy holy crap
28:42
not just a wind-up toy so apparently these items are more desirable outside
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of the magic community as well so there's a large collector base of wealthy
28:53
individuals who will pay big prices for these and how many do you reckon he had of those,
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oh like more than They highlighted several.
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Just to give you an example, there was six different clocks that Chris gave
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the lineage of, of how Houdan improved them.
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And after he was done telling that you look to the wall and there's 30 more
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clocks just there, you know?
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So you can imagine how many autonomes there are.
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What's the word? Whatever that is.
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Automatons. Yeah. A lot. Including the orange tree really. Cause that's the ultimate.
29:28
Well, yeah. So did you see, the
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orange trigsaw would be brought to tears if i saw it yeah yeah
29:35
so the a couple of
29:37
performances happened i mentioned that earlier like i get to pick a
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card from david earlier a ring was borrowed earlier
29:43
the ring vanished i had the card in my pocket he did three revelations the my
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card was found with a card star you know the the stars where the cards appear
29:55
on the point of the cards He just goes like this to the stage where there's
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three card stars and all of them explode.
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And there's 30 of my cards staring at me suddenly, you know,
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old school magic instantly brought to life unexpectedly. It was great.
30:11
The first ring reveal was not the orange bush.
30:17
He vanished the ring a second time. This thing just grows.
30:22
If you've seen the movie The Illusionist, it looks just like that in real life.
30:27
And if you haven't seen the movie The Illusionist, you're doing it wrong.
30:30
That's a good one with Edward Norton.
30:32
This thing just takes some dirt, drops the dirt in the pot, puts some seeds
30:37
in, and an orange bush blossoms.
30:41
The oranges can be plucked and given to the audience at the crescendo of the orange bush.
30:47
Two birds fly up like little hummingbirds.
30:50
A handkerchief opens between the birds and dangling from the middle of them
30:55
is the finger ring that lady had, you know, loaned earlier.
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I've got to be honest. I always thought that the explanation of that trick was
31:04
an exaggeration, but it's, it's real, isn't it?
31:07
It looks like real magic. it was the second effect of that nature that he had
31:13
performed there was a rose bush earlier that he also performed in that same
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set i was talking about and the lady gets the roses as well so holly england's
31:22
walking out of there with roses that david produced from a blooming rose bush also.
31:29
Unreal that's crazy i mean surely it's only a matter of time until Copperfield
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decides that that's just going to be his main gig now.
31:41
Yeah, I wonder how much time he just hangs out in there and enjoys life.
31:46
All of the exhibits have video elements. So when he's talking about Houdini,
31:51
you see video of Houdini.
31:52
When he's talking about Cardini, you see Cardini and Di Vernon.
31:56
And these are sometimes animated, like he'll say, and then there was Houdini,
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and they'll point to this thing and a curtain just comes off the television on its own.
32:07
He did a he did a he had jackson write
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down a name jackson wrote down a name earlier on the
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tour and then he brought one of houdini's talking
32:16
head illusions to life so you would get to see how this spirit manifested and
32:21
the talking head spoke the name that jackson had had written down earlier damn
32:27
imagine that at a corporate gig you've just got this this head and it can reveal,
32:34
yeah it looked like a head on a sword one of those deals you know but the head
32:38
just kind of manifested itself,
32:41
One of the cool ones I liked was he had a Mark Wilson display from the world's
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fair and like the eighties or the seventies.
32:48
And it was just two hands just, and it looked like they were mechanical hands
32:53
in this on their own, in this metal stage.
32:56
It's like, watch the magic hands magic of the future. And these hands just instantly
33:02
animated and did a couple of magic tricks and then went back to robotic.
33:06
It was very fooling for me. There had to be hands in there, but I'm not sure how. Oh, excuse me.
33:13
Just unexpected things like that. You know, he's talking about Mark Wilson.
33:16
He's like, oh, and then I got this thing.
33:19
Unreal. Oh, so let me continue because I left out the best part.
33:25
Kind of. I mean, it's all the best part.
33:27
After you go through the Houdan and Houdini exhibits, the library.
33:33
So you get to see the reproduction of the Houdini library. That's one of the
33:36
photo ops. Maybe I can bring that up here.
33:40
So they recreated houdini's library and you get a chance to take a picture standing in front of it,
33:48
but this library here yes if you've seen the photo of houdini in his library
33:54
that image is faithfully recreated in this room and then from there you go into
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copperfield's main library,
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i asked how chris how many books were in there and he said over 10 000 that's
34:07
almost as big as your library, Doug?
34:09
Not even close. I have databased a library that had 5,000 titles and this room
34:15
was about four times that size. Holy crap.
34:19
I asked Chris, I said 10,000? I said, is there that many magic books?
34:22
He said there's over 100,000.
34:25
There's over 100,000 unique magic titles.
34:29
I've heard that we have more educational titles than just about any other,
34:35
certainly art, like, you know.
34:38
Music or painting you know the magic references
34:41
are the biggest i had no idea it was that many hundred thousand
34:45
you know one thing i i always say
34:47
proudly is you know when performing for corporates and so forth
34:50
you know and and they might freak out as to what you charge or whatever else
34:53
and i explained to them that i probably spent more money on my magic education
34:58
than you did being a lawyer yeah and there's a lot of truth in that man like
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over the for me the past 17 years you know, with it being 2025 now,
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the investment I put in myself every single year to learn magic.
35:13
Yeah i wake up right it doesn't stop being expensive
35:16
either it stays expensive no that's
35:19
right yeah i just bought you know my registration to
35:22
magic light and then i'm gonna buy flights and i just
35:25
spent four hundred dollars on something on the magic
35:29
marketplace and i was like yeah what we
35:32
do oh we got another photo oh that's an
35:35
aerial shot so once you go through
35:38
the history of magic there and like in
35:41
that bookcase is the discovery of witchcraft at the
35:44
bottom all the posters this is just kind of just the one
35:47
of the very big rooms one of the few chances you get to
35:50
take a picture i saw tim asking if he was
35:52
cool with photos there's a few times and that's one of them where he says all
35:56
right if you want a picture now's your chance and that just gives you a small
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taste that's one of nine experiences that just that one cavernous room alex
36:07
lamb made a funny comment saying that there was no no rocky raccoon exhibit and i think.
36:14
That would be hilarious rockies there if you ever go to visit dave williamson's,
36:20
farm and he's like here's my museum and he's got all these
36:23
different rockies yeah that would be hilarious i
36:27
know that he's got a couple of weird ones like two-headed rockies and stuff
36:30
like that that's cool yeah and
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i remember you know not more than five years
36:36
ago he was like if you ever find one buy it just buy it i'll pay for i'll pay
36:40
it later like just whenever you find one and and i think now they're recreating
36:45
them in a pretty okay standard but if anyone was at magic live there's a hilarious
36:50
i saw them filming this and it's now on socials where,
36:54
webber was handing williamson rockies and he was looking at them and like smelling
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them like they or a cigar.
37:03
He'd look at them, check them, smell the tail and be like, throw them.
37:07
No good. He gets another one.
37:09
He was just checking and being like, no good and throwing them away. So ridiculous.
37:14
The history is such an important thing.
37:18
And that library, I wonder how much of it is just not to be touched.
37:23
I wonder if he actually employs folks who do nothing but study books and report
37:29
to him They have three researchers is what Chris called them on, you know,
37:35
when we were going through the research room, I said, well, how many people
37:39
work here? Oh, three people.
37:41
So all the, all the books are behind glass. God, so beautiful.
37:46
But in that research room, that's extra beyond the library. So once you leave
37:49
the library, then you go into this room, you know, they're folders.
37:52
So it's like these things, right?
37:56
One after the other, you know, it's like Kalang, Kalang, Kalang.
37:59
So let me see what Kalang did in 1700, you know? Okay, got it, you know?
38:04
And it's just wall after wall after bookcase after bookcase just filled with these things.
38:10
And that's beyond like the newspaper room, you said, with all David's references and so on.
38:16
Yeah you know that it really spins me out like when you
38:18
hear stories like you know most recently
38:22
with pen and teller coming to visit in australia and seeing some of
38:25
the effects they did in their show which was totally amazing only
38:29
for them to be like oh yeah that's that's that's like a burglars idea we
38:31
just changed this one bit about it and you're like god it's
38:35
so hard getting your hands on this knowledge so hard getting your
38:38
hands on these books you know it's where's
38:44
the right stuff which was his first book he couldn't point it
38:47
out because man i don't even have a copy of
38:50
that one because if it's here it's probably over here i
38:54
was like what you don't have your own book in this library
38:57
y'all know that book the right stuff no i
39:00
haven't heard of it it was chris kenner's first book authored by
39:03
john mendoza and i think the late 80s i think
39:07
i've only got out of control signed actually which
39:11
i bought right i'll sign so huh wow look
39:14
at you bud it's not signed but it will be got
39:18
kenner's cell phone now yeah true true bloody hell i think i want to do thanksgiving
39:27
with matt king and i want to be at chris kenner's magic live party so i'm a
39:31
step closer to both of those things oh he doesn't do magic live parties no more
39:35
but only for cool people,
39:37
maybe you don't know about it. Oh, that's probably why.
39:40
No, he probably doesn't. He's probably like, screw these nerds. Too much rigmarole.
39:45
I have daughters now that are teenagers. Don't need those geeks over here.
39:50
I'm sure he could convince Chris Kenner to do his own Chris Kenner party.
39:55
Screw it. We'll just have our own. We'll have it. We'll just make it the official
39:58
Doug Conn Magic Live party.
40:00
Look, there'll be an abundance of penthouse parties to, if you know the right
40:05
people, you will be dragged along to them.
40:08
No shortage of parties for Magic Live.
40:10
Yeah. The one I want to go to is the trick supply after dark with Doug Conn.
40:16
Big time. That's the main one.
40:18
Let's just make that the main who's who of Magic after party.
40:23
I wonder what it's like to party with Doug Conn. Does Doug Khan party or is
40:27
he more of a, let's have a cup of tea and talk magic?
40:29
Dude, when it's party time, I throw down.
40:33
Just to be clear, when it's party time, I throw down Doug Khan. No, I do.
40:38
And because I'm older and it hurts more, I don't party that much, but I still go for sure.
40:45
Doug has messaged into our group chat saying, hey, boys, I'm partying this weekend.
40:52
So I know I'm not going to be on the pod next week.
40:55
Oh yeah that's how it is for me you got to plan the next day or two off,
41:00
yeah yeah back in the day i could do it day after day but that's not me anymore,
41:04
well yeah i feel you man because even when i was at magic live my drinking
41:07
game was pretty minimal i did go there a week early and
41:10
did a lot of my drinking prior with with friends that
41:14
that i'd made along the way but yeah when when
41:17
the actual convention was going down and it's also just a laborious task of
41:21
having to wait in line at the alligator bar to get a drink and you know what
41:25
i mean yeah generally i'll do just the last day for the drinking if i'm going
41:29
to drink at a convention you know that's that that's clever and remember to
41:35
take your pre-workout with you,
41:37
as we talked about in many episodes yeah i can't wait i can't wait for this year finally.
41:47
Seven years later i make a return oh yeah that's gonna be great well we we should
41:52
we'll talk about the logistics of that off air, but like whether or not we go
41:56
there early or late or whatever.
41:57
The other thing I was going to do when I visited Vegas that I didn't get around
42:02
to, unfortunately, just because, you know, when you have opportunities of people
42:05
going like, we're going to go do this thing we want you to come with,
42:08
you've got to say, yes, sir.
42:10
There was a punk rock museum in Vegas that I really want to go to.
42:14
And they actually have punk rock royalty, if you will, given the tour.
42:18
And I would love to be a part of that. And you can literally go to this punk
42:21
museum and they have guitars from people like fat Mike of no effects and a bunch of others.
42:26
You can just grab the guitar off the wall, have a little twang,
42:29
put it back on the wall again.
42:30
And I think that would be really cool to experience. And then outside of that,
42:33
like, I don't know if it's worth seeing the grand Canyon, but if I was gonna,
42:36
we're going to do it in a chopper because I don't want to spend half a day on a bus.
42:40
And thirdly is there is a supercar experience you can have. It costs a lot of money.
42:47
It's about $4,000 or something, but you spend the entire day driving millions
42:52
of dollars worth of supercars.
42:55
That's a Nikkei adventure. That's a Nikkei adventure, most definitely.
42:59
Does the helicopter, because I've been to the Grand Canyon, does the helicopter
43:04
land somewhere so you can actually
43:06
physically get out and breathe the air and look at. Good question.
43:11
That's a good question. And all I know is that I was told to make sure you do
43:14
the chopper and don't ride the bus. It's going to take you half a day. Right.
43:19
Yeah. Look, I will say when I went and looked at it, we drove.
43:23
So we drove out there because we had a car and stuff.
43:26
How many hours was that? How many hours was that in the car?
43:29
I do not remember. This is when I was 21. About two and a half,
43:32
three hours. I've looked at the mileage.
43:34
I was excited to go see it as one of the things. and I'm like,
43:38
I might be bumped back a little bit just because, you know, I don't want to
43:42
drive so much. That's awful and sad at the same time.
43:47
Well, I mean, there's 8,000 things I want to do just here. So it's like,
43:51
yeah, I did fly over it on the way in.
43:54
So I was like, there it is. When you, yeah, and it's so big.
43:57
So flying probably does let you see the, you know,
44:00
the entire, but driving into it, just driving to it And then you standing on
44:07
the edge of it and just seeing how freaking big it is, is pretty cool.
44:11
Well, next week I do get to drive through it. Maybe I think it's on the way here from New Orleans.
44:15
So I will be flying back to New Orleans to finish the move here.
44:19
I just got into my apartment Friday.
44:22
So, oh yeah.
44:25
I think I'll be here next week. Although we got to talk about time changes and
44:29
then I'm going to miss a week while I'm, you know, getting my cats, my wife.
44:34
You we talked earlier about what are your
44:37
favorite effects of the week or that you're looking at or you found in the
44:40
shop was it there and we put something in our description of
44:43
this video was there something let's do a plug then yeah sure
44:46
yeah i was on our newsletter
44:50
that wolf gang puts out every week you can go trick supply sign
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44:56
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44:59
you get cool stuff that you don't know about because everyone
45:02
else sends out the same thing wolfgang put this
45:04
thing in here this is the production deck this is i guess here's the actual
45:08
thing and i read the directions for this old school miracle the production deck
45:12
and i said that's this sounds this sounds too good to be true so this is a production
45:18
deck let me see if i can put a highlight on myself,
45:23
It looks very much just like a deck of cards, and some of the cards are real.
45:27
And if I was to relate this to something, it might be relatable to,
45:30
like, a solid deception deck from Paul Harris.
45:35
This deck has the ability to produce things from it. Let me see if I can just
45:39
manifest a matchbox. What?
45:43
Yeesh. Three being manifest. And Josh, if you could just think of a card.
45:49
Yeah. One card inside. What card are you thinking of? Oh, damn.
45:55
Four clubs? Yeah, it's right next to the three. Hey.
46:01
So this is just something that's in there as an idea to do like a follow-up
46:05
effect for the appearance.
46:06
I'm going to vanish it now so you can kind of see this thing in action.
46:10
So this is an actual, just a matchbox. It could be anything about this size.
46:14
I think it's designed for this object.
46:18
No. Damn. So this is magnetically locked now.
46:24
So whatever is in there is locked, and I'm going to show you the appearance.
46:27
And you might see a little bit of the gimmick this way, but I think this is
46:31
striking as well. Watch the top of the deck.
46:34
Yeah, wow. Maybe that's not the angle.
46:38
Yeah, I did insinuate that, and I do think that it was made to produce things like this.
46:44
Yeah. Either from the table or on top of your hand in this kind of fashion.
46:51
Yeah. Does it, question from Alex Lamb, does it rattle when it's loaded?
46:57
So, you know what I did earlier is put some coins in it. I thought it'd make
47:00
a nice four, like a four coin production.
47:02
You could pull this, put it on the table and something like that will rattle.
47:08
That's the way you do it, boys, right there. You put this down here,
47:10
you lift it up, and then you show it. Don't do that, though.
47:16
Please understand, this is day one for me of handling this drop.
47:19
In fact, day, minute five.
47:22
Like, you know, I've been a very busy magician today. Yeah.
47:25
And then how big of an object, like, is that the thickness of an object that can fit in there?
47:32
So you know what i did earlier was i wanted to see
47:35
if the an altoid 10 10
47:38
would work and that's about the most it i
47:40
was thinking like of doing a card and
47:43
box style routine maybe you're doing some
47:46
card tricks and you ask someone if they would want a mint and
47:50
the mint box that's funny and after that surprise
47:52
you do the card folding and now their signed card is
47:55
inside the matchbox or the mint box yeah it's
48:00
about that size i'm not going to expose the inner workings but
48:02
if you can imagine cutting out the frame of
48:05
a court card and then you have that much space
48:09
then it's about you know half an inch about it's
48:13
about that you know you know what i would do with
48:16
this i would ask someone to like use a matchbox light
48:19
the match flash paper produce the deck do like
48:22
a whole deck routine and then just
48:24
keep doing like instead of doing a card under box do a card under
48:28
match box and then in between
48:31
that you could do this deck switch for the gimmick and even like then
48:34
for me with my style of magic i would take the match box in the action to hand
48:37
it to someone i'd vanish it using my techniques and then that box would immediately
48:43
reappear over there card under box once again because you would just just drop
48:49
it like i would be so sick like there is so much This is what I'm talking about.
48:53
We got so many gems in the back room. And, you know, if you're on our newsletter,
48:57
you're going to hear about five or six of them every week Wolfgang writes about.
49:01
Let's riff on this for a second of things that could go in there.
49:05
The craziest thing that comes to mind for me, because...
49:09
What really this is, is what, what could you produce that shouldn't be able
49:13
to be concealed like just in a deck?
49:15
What if, you know, you're doing Halloween or you want to freak someone out and
49:19
you put like bloody cockroaches in there or something?
49:22
There's an effect in the Paul Harris manuscripts where he describes a vanishing
49:26
deck idea and he uses slime.
49:28
He produces a handful of slime in someone's hand. You could do something horrible like that.
49:33
How about, how about, how about, do something weird?
49:37
Yeah. Imagine a real roach. And it's like, it crawls out of their hand.
49:40
I'm like, yeah, that's how I do the trick. If I have a helper or like whatever,
49:44
like that's a weird way to go about it.
49:46
And you wouldn't do it at a corporate gig, but you know, there's something just wild.
49:51
Yeah. You could probably load something into your hand. If you had the deck,
49:54
you could probably just do like a tally bottom type setup to dispense into your hand. And true.
50:00
Yeah. Also like in the, in the description, it says this, you don't have to
50:04
use it as a visible production. It could be a means to secretly acquire gimmicks.
50:09
You know, you could have, you know, maybe a nail writer or some other,
50:12
you know, thing, maybe predictions, extra outs, things like that, that aren't visibly.
50:18
You know, it doesn't matter. And Tim also had a question.
50:22
It does come in red. I think you, I think I gave you the link to the blue one,
50:25
but we have about 20 of each of these in red and red and blue. They're also on sale.
50:31
This is normally like a $40 product. This is 20 bucks. So. Wow.
50:35
What can you get for 20 bucks in magic these days? Not much.
50:39
Well, this is a spring loaded magnetic production, you know,
50:44
and I don't think I need to plug it anymore.
50:47
You know what I'd shove in there? I'd put a vibrator in there,
50:50
which sounds kinky, but it's not. Hear me out.
50:52
So you put it in there and you can then use like a momentary switch vibrator to trigger somebody.
51:00
Someone in the audience or do you know what i mean or you stick in you stick
51:06
in an air tag in there and you have someone put the deck in their pocket and
51:10
run around the theater and hide it,
51:12
oh that's a cool kreskin idea yeah like you know how you should do that you used to like go,
51:17
go ahead and hide my paycheck and if i can't find where you've hidden it in
51:21
the studio this gig's for free you used to do that right yeah was it kreskin
51:27
kreskin i was thinking that it could be used as a penetration effect.
51:32
So if you had a second object palmed and showed an object here.
51:38
So as this object goes into the deck, the other one could appear on top of the deck perhaps.
51:45
Ah, yeah, I'm with you. A vehicle to create that effect as well.
51:50
Nice. It'd probably be a better tabled effect than me holding it.
51:54
You know, you put this on the table and then the, or even just the folded card
51:58
production. I don't know if that would be a thing or not, but if you wanted
52:01
to produce a folded card out of nowhere, you know, that's something as well.
52:07
Yeah, or a note. It could be a billet that has predictions on it.
52:11
Maybe you're doing shuffleboard and...
52:14
I really think the best idea is we've had is to produce something that's live,
52:17
you know. That's going to be the freakiest thing for people, for sure.
52:21
Yeah, yeah. Like you do Haunted Deck and then... Like,
52:24
have you seen on Wizard Wars, they did haunted deck
52:27
where they they board all these worms around
52:30
it or something and it was the worms apparently that were moving the
52:33
deck to find the card what if you just what if
52:36
you just did haunted deck and like how do you do it like oh
52:39
worms and like what do you mean oh let me let me show you and then
52:42
you like pull them all out on their hand oh that's the next morning show gig
52:49
that i get like tv show snippet you gotta do something just wild like that because
52:54
that deck will do it I love it so many ideas yeah Tim's saying tons of ideas well I'm sold a stamp,
53:02
And you can stamp another card.
53:06
We need some more info, Nick. All right.
53:12
I'm taking this home. I'm going to figure out, like, this production is so striking.
53:16
I really think it would make a good social media moment, too. You know, it's so clean.
53:20
The other thing, too, Doug, you know how you're holding it on your hand and going down like this?
53:25
What if you're actually holding two cards? You're actually holding it so that
53:29
when you go down and up, you've still got one card left.
53:31
But now the thing's gone that was on top of what what if you had it so that
53:35
you have like glass tabletop and a card something underneath and then in the
53:41
action of like pushing through the deck.
53:43
Pulls through oh how about this okay doug
53:47
oh my god oh my god okay so you've
53:50
got two so you've got two cards right how about
53:53
this one sec so you've got two cards but you've
53:56
got let's say it's a coin for it just for whatever sake
53:59
yeah the the second card
54:03
that's being hidden because it's a double on the face
54:06
of it is the drawing of the coin oh
54:10
so there's a coin now yeah and
54:14
so now when the coin vanishes and you
54:17
lift up the deck now you can see the picture of
54:20
the coin it's actually a sweet coin banish or or
54:24
the coin yeah or it could be written or it could be embedded into
54:27
the the back of that blue card that's left in your hand maybe
54:30
that's the right yeah so it's like it's there and then the coin
54:33
appears and now yeah or or it
54:36
could be now embedded in the yeah back design maybe there's actually some graphics
54:41
that have coins printed on them too that you could you know put the work for
54:45
something so it'd be like this and then there's the the image of a coin here
54:49
huh and then it's on there yeah you guys know the stealing routine how you move the pips around.
54:57
I know a little something about that. Doug Collins, is it called the Pip Trip?
55:02
Is it Doug Collins' version? What if you were moving all the pips around and
55:06
then on the final load, you can actually produce the pips and dump them out?
55:10
Or if it was with Love Hearts, you could produce Love Heart candy or just some
55:15
sort of physical entity where they all move. You could have confetti there.
55:22
This is great. Look, yeah, we've been riffing for a while on this.
55:26
You know, as I messaged you earlier, I was listening off on a whim and I was
55:30
like, so enthusiastic about the item.
55:32
I was like, Josh, put this one in our way today.
55:34
Yeah. Oh, I'm so glad you're finding these gems because like,
55:38
how come people don't know about this effect? Like, yeah.
55:42
You know, throwing it out there that maybe you find three cool bits that are unsung heroes.
55:49
And we have an on the air spitball session coming up with this mini idea.
55:56
With a gimmick i reckon that would be really fun just creatively it would be
56:00
so fun for me and i 100 and yet so listeners if you think that would be a cool idea to have an online,
56:06
sort of create like a warehouse full
56:09
of wonders ready to be refined yeah and at least
56:12
that way should you purchase it from trick supply.com that you would actually
56:16
then have a bunch of original ideas for listening to the podcast so i think
56:20
that's a great value add yeah that's another good one the rubber band production
56:24
move into rubber bands with cards yeah yeah boom.
56:32
I got a couple to bring home tonight what do i got i got this one which i never
56:37
heard of but look at this name angelo carbone it's a nine-sided die so it's
56:44
got elements of the surprising dots and built into a three-dimensional die.
56:50
Have you guys heard of this thing?
56:52
No. Nine-sided die. Angelo Carbone, one of our great creators of the modern
56:57
times, that's an old gem from him.
56:59
Then I've also taken home...
57:02
Where's the boom boomer ropes? I don't know what this is, but it looked interesting
57:06
to me from Chastain Criswell.
57:08
I'm assuming it's a form of the boomerang illusion where you apparently stretch
57:13
the sizes of the ropes using an optical illusion. But I don't know.
57:16
I'm just guessing. Maybe I'll know next time we talk.
57:19
This is what I do. You know, they give me inventory to pick for the mail order.
57:23
And when I'm picking one thing, I'm like, I'll take this home.
57:29
I'm really, I'm really stuck on this box now. you could use it as a ring production
57:33
too like you draw a ring on the back of a card and then you go like that and
57:37
now it turns into a real ring and you move into your next,
57:41
stuff or maybe that's how you help someone propose maybe
57:44
that's the ring production oh bro you could even load stuff
57:47
into this like you could treat that gimmick as a
57:50
thing to impossible location so that
57:53
you could produce it afterwards of just by like just by rubbing the card
57:56
and yeah you could probably do
57:59
it in someone else's hand too so you'd say here hold this deck
58:02
and then all all you got to do is move forward and
58:05
lift up and that thing is there yeah and
58:09
if you do it with a few cards underneath like we're talking about so
58:11
it's not like they're just holding one you know it's a little more yeah you
58:15
know it'd be really cool if you if you took the card you split it ever so slightly
58:19
and put just the thinnest maybe like even just like a circle of of like thread
58:26
or some sort of wool and just put a little circle like that and then you seal it up again.
58:32
Do like a whole ambitious card type thing where maybe you take the card,
58:35
give it like a strike vanish into the card and show it's gone and then they
58:39
can put it on their hand and then with the deck reproduce it.
58:44
We're putting like a double on top. Do you know what I mean?
58:46
Like there is so much fun to be had with this.
58:48
So much fun. This is just the beginning. We're done talking about the production box now.
58:54
Yeah. So the link to that effect is wherever you're listening to this right now.
58:58
Just so we're clear. So you can go and buy a bunch of them. That's fine.
59:02
You can ask me to learn. I'll tell you. Hit me up in the DMs.
59:06
Yeah, that's right. Look, you get me off the big screen now. I feel like it's too big.
59:13
Irregular. Well, I look forward to seeing, yeah, more of those gems because
59:17
they're the things that, you know, we're so focused on the latest thing that
59:20
just came out. It's legitimate why I'm here.
59:23
This is the reason I wanted to work with Trick Supply is to,
59:26
you know, get in, get into the stuff. I can get all the new tricks anywhere.
59:32
That's true. And I'm not interested in that. You know, we have them.
59:36
It's great. We got, you know, we have Tobias's liquid.
59:44
I think for I speak for all of us by saying if somebody said would you like
59:48
to work in our bricks and mortar store I don't think any one of us would be like,
59:53
you want to come and work 9 to 5 earn a wage and just play with magic all day
59:57
and sell it have free content at your fingertips are you kidding me?
1:00:04
As they say be careful what you wish for and if you intend to make a living
1:00:07
doing this job You probably should bring some skill sets that benefit the owner
1:00:12
beyond, you know, just being able to rummage around their magic.
1:00:17
Some sales technique will have you go a long way. No, firmly believe that working
1:00:22
in a magic shop is one of the most important things a young or novice magician can do.
1:00:27
You learn the ropes, you learn all the props and what's good and bad,
1:00:31
and then you learn how to interact with people that come into the store and
1:00:34
demonstrate the things.
1:00:35
So yeah you should be lucky enough to get a chance to work in a magic shop you absolutely should,
1:00:40
i think that's all we have time for folks stay tuned for uh we have a guest
1:00:44
on next week we'll announce him closer to the episode but this is great we look
1:00:49
forward to seeing more reviews,
1:00:50
and thank you for sharing that beautiful story of uh inside the museum you know
1:00:55
only a small percentage of magicians are fortunate enough to have have gone
1:00:59
in there and yeah doug what's the what's the last word of the day, my friend?
1:01:04
Yeah, you know, it's for me this.
1:01:07
Manifest. Set those goals. See your future.
1:01:11
Put yourself in the vision and you'll be surprised at what might happen.
1:01:17
Could end up in the desert at midnight with David Copperfield.
1:01:22
Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now.
1:01:28
But we'll see you again on the next episode of the Magic Guys.