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They Forced Me Into Psychiatric Care | What Happens When You're 'Pink Slipped' · Voices for Voices®

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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hi everyone, it's Justin here, Voices for Voices.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um this episode is going to kind of it's gonna be a little bit rougher.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh it's uh as as the organization, right?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, we're we're founded uh and the the big foundation of mental health and uh and and trauma recovery, etc.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um of one of the things that I'm finding or have found in one time or another, it's really just starting to crystallize in my mind is help.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Help can be defined in a lot of different ways and a lot of different methods again goosebumps just thinking about this because it it it's hitting very near and dear to me uh at at this time and you know I I I go back for me to 2017 and right, you know, you've heard heard my journey and story, and if not, we have over the 530 episodes that uh that you'll you'll be able to get that.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we have specific episodes, so just do a search and be able to find uh that and so I got help mental health-wise.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That that meant that I needed to spend some time in the hospital to be seen by the psychiatric staff, uh, and help get back on my journey of life.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it was by no means perfect, nothing's perfect, as we know.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But there was it was no it was nothing easy, not at all.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The decisions, the questions that were asked uh on the surface, it may seem like they're easy, like oh well that that's easy.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I like to I like to say this it's always easy when you're not the one that is faced with the questions, right?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's called like the by that's like a bystander effect.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You see something happen, you see a fight, you see something, you just keep going.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You don't die on 911, you don't try to stop it, you just keep on walking.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so it's kind of like the little bit of you know, the same same thing of nothing's happening, nothing's happening, I'm not, I'm just gonna keep walking and get past this, and so yeah, that's the bystander effect.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, you just see people, small amount of people or a large amount of people just keep on walking.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, I don't want to be a part of this, I don't want to be dragged into this, I don't want this, I don't want that, and so when I was being asked questions, I was like, I'm not one of these people, I don't need the help.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't want to take medication if that's an option, if that's offered to me, I feel like I was allergic to everything I was eating, and so there were just that there was a host, a myriad of different questions I was being asked, and at that point, after you know, three ER visits in two weeks, multiple doctor tests on top of that, they all said, Hey, you're not dying, so we can release you, and I don't say that tongue-in-cheek, I just say that because that's what was said to me.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, we don't, you're not dying right now, so we can release you, and so it was only on that third visit where the the psychiatric staff came in, and then they started to piece things together, and then I was given a decision.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I can want all the tests are good, I can I can leave.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I can't leave the emergency room, or there's a bed in one of the psychiatric wings, which means like a part of the hospital, and so I had the opportunity to just walk out, or I had the opportunity to voluntarily admit myself, and juxtaposed that with being told, okay, you're you're being what they call pink slipped, meaning that you know the hospital's overruling and you need or I need the the help, I need the care, whatever that may be.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe that includes medication, maybe not.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Likely I did it voluntarily.
• 8:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I would say nobody's perfect, I'm not perfect, looking at all the different therapies, all the different medication and medication changes, and just that whole time in my life.
• 9:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I think I was a pretty good patient, I guess.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, they'd come by doctors, nurses, they would come by, or have us come to the you know, the the desk, and uh for medication they would you know call our name, and then you know we go up and and and so did I want to be there?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: No.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Did I feel I needed to be there?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yes, that's two different things.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I didn't want to be there, but on the same sense of I probably needed to be there, and so that's why when there was different medications that were saying offered, you know, we're talking about the legal medications, yeah.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I would take it.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so there's help like that, and then there's another side.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So instead of being the person that is getting the treatment, getting to help the inpatient stay at the hospital voluntarily, and not just voluntarily, but the medication I was I was I know, I was going along with the program.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I was like, okay, well, the staff knows best, so I'm going to take the medication that they have prescribed for me while I'm here.
• 11:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so now if I back out of that situation, and you take a person, my one of my roommate, not one of them, the the roommate I had while I was there in the hospital, inpatient stay.
• 11:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We both got out about around the same day, I think.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Went home, and then we and then the the first therapy, the first group therapy out of the hospital.
• 11:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We we were there for at least a day or two.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then and then he was back, or he was gone, he was there, then he was gone, meaning he wasn't at the group therapy, and then he came back, and then he was he was there, and then he was caught.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He he had he goes on there towards the the very end of me being there.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And when he when he came back, the the one from him being there to not there to being back, he said he got pink slipped, which basically, you know, I talk about voluntary, voluntarily, like I don't want to do this, but I'm gonna go along with it because professionals think that I need it, and so my yeah, the roommate he said he got pink slip, which meant he was involuntarily admitted, which meant the hospital deemed him.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I I don't I don't know the specific language, but he didn't do it on his own.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The stat staff at the hospital said, okay, you need to come and uh we need to work on whatever they were working on, and he was taking his medication, he was done with his ass, but he's just still going through some rough things.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But he was asking, he he was recognizing that, and he was getting the help that he needed, but then there's sometimes individuals that don't want to go voluntarily, so they go involuntary, like he had done.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, it's called a pink slip.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't I don't know if the slip is actually pink.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't I don't know that's just that's just a terminology.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So that is being admitted to a psychiatric part of a hospital, uh against your will, say like I don't have any rights, and that like for that period of time, you know, the person doesn't have the same rights as they would have being voluntary, or you know, where I was like, All right, I don't want to, but I need to.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I and so I I did it, and and so he he did it, I think voluntary he did voluntarily the first time and the second time.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It was pink slit, so it was involuntary, but he was still taking his medication though, so it was kind of I don't say it's like half and half, but kind of like half and half, where he realized I probably need more help, so I'm gonna go to the hospital.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And the hospital saw that he needed more help, and so that's what they deemed at that point, and so that's why they involuntarily brought him in, and I don't think he was against it.
• 15:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know, I like we didn't get that deep in the conversations um at those therapy sessions because like I'm worried, we're all worried about ourselves, right?
• 16:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're how we're feeling, how we're doing, and so when we would have like a little bit of a break, the conversations would be pretty short.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um most of them would be like, Oh, I'm taking this medication, I'm taking that medication, or I was just told today that I'm done with this therapy tomorrow, or yeah, those are like the conversations we would have.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so he he was he was accepting the help at a certain level, like, all right, well, I know I need medication, so that's different to go for me, where I was voluntarily admitted, where I had the choice to pink slip, you don't have the choice, you're going in, and then when you're pink slipped or not pink slipped, if there's medication involved, they want you to take it.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so if somebody is pink slipped, meaning you need to be in you you need to spend some time with the with the psych staff and do some therapy and get some sleep without co without phones, without you know, core things that we could hurt ourselves with.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um so then there's again, there's that and that pink slip, and then there's a pink slip, and then not pink slip and not taking your medication.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Probably the the worst two, probably the worst combination, worse two things that I know of.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So that basically means involuntarily admitted, so we didn't get to make the choice, and then when the doctors and nurses come around, or if they call you up to the desk, or however they do it, and and say, Okay, Justin, uh I have blank and the names of whatever the medications are, if that's what they're having you do, they would like you to do.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so if a person says, no, I don't want admitted, but they need admitted, that pink slip, so involuntarily admitted, and then saying, No, I'm not taking this medication, I refuse.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's taken me a minute to get there, but that's when we're talking about it's hard being on the outside and trying to help, and and the help could seem so basic, so easy, so it's like, oh, okay, so what if I if I do do this, what about these seven other things?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, why don't we just focus on this one thing here?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because maybe these seven other things aren't gonna happen if we focus on this one thing, and that's that's the hard part that I'm going through as a human being of like begging an individual.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, please, please, please, I'm gonna make this much easier on yourself.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Please, please take it, please take your medication if they're offering it.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If they're offering it, it means you need it.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And right, if you want to get out and get back into that into the real world, right, that's gonna be the quickest way to do it, is to go along with the protocol.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, I don't like that I'm here, but I'm here, I'm gonna, I guess I need to take some medication, so I'm gonna take it.
• 21:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm gonna go to the therapy, and I was told when I was in my inpatient state, right?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So, like in for insurance purposes, and I don't I don't know if this is a thing.
• 21:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They're just trying to get people to to go to the art therapy or regular therapy.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh you know, the therapist, they would they would say that you know, they would take attendance at each therapy.
• 21:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If it was art therapy, they would, you know, they'd say, Oh, okay, and then they would sign your name that you were there, and then that would all get turned in at some point, apparently.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: At least that's all we were told.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It would get turned into insurance, and then that would.
• 22:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Make insurance see that we really needed that the help, and and we went along with the program, you know, we went along with what we were being asked to do, and so there could be more coverage of insurance.
• 22:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If we would, you know, the more therapy sessions we would go to, the more that the insurance would cover.
• 22:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I again I don't know if that's a thing, that's what we were told.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and uh, you know, I was in my inpatient state.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I I I mean, I don't I think I missed a couple of them.
• 22:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But needless to say, it's hard to hear a person who dearly needs needs some needs some help beyond what what that they're doing themselves.
• 23:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then they're and they're you know continuing to be you know combative like nope, I'm here against my will, and there's this thing, there maybe it's something legal, maybe it's I I don't know.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so for me being on the outside, I'm thinking, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, can you take your medication, please?
• 24:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And the person just hanging up the phone, and that's hard for anybody, but it's really hard for me because I I can almost teleport myself back in time when I was when I was there, and I'm like, wow, I'm glad I did what I did, but I didn't know any better, I didn't know any other choices, and I'm again I'm very glad that I did go along with the program, swallow my pride, swallow my ego.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So for anybody that's out there that's being asked for help, somebody may have a an impatience say, whether they're there, whether they are pink slit, meaning they're admitted involuntarily, or if they're voluntarily, you know, uh we just want we just want our people, want everybody to be healthy and safe and prosperous.
• 25:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I know you you'll do it if if you're ever in that position.
• 25:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But it's a tough, it's a tough position to be in when there's not a lot of cooperation.
• 25:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's just it's just very hard.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So this was a deep show, deep episode, but through life.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm living it, I've lived it.
• 26:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And have lived it, and know somebody that a loved one, or they know somebody who has spent some amount of time being observed and and all that, and the medication and all those things.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So all we can do as humans is help.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We help the best way we can.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's all we can do.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So if you're ever reached out to for help, try your best, and that's all we can do is try our best.
• 26:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We can't make people think the way we want to.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We can't make people do things like that.
• 27:04
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