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Ever Hulk With the Devil in the Pale Moonlight · Large Nerdron Collider

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Large Nurgrunk Collider, the podcast.
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Speaker 1: It's all about leaky eatings happening in the world around
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Speaker 1: us and how very excited we are about it. I'm
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Speaker 1: Ariel casting and with me as always after a pretty
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Speaker 1: long hiatus is my dear friend and co host Jonathan Strickland.
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Speaker 1: Hi Ariel, And just to be clear, the hiatus was
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Speaker 1: for the show, not not just for me. No, like,
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Speaker 1: we're still friends. We were friends through the hiatus, but
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Speaker 1: the show took a hiatus and there is a good
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Speaker 1: reason for that. Well yeah, good is maybe not the
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Speaker 1: right word. There's a valid reason. Valid, So so let's
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Speaker 1: give you a peek behind the curtain because we want
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Speaker 1: to be transparent. So back in the early days of
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Speaker 1: Large nur Trunk Collider, it was just a personal project,
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Speaker 1: a fun thing that Ariel and I did together. It
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Speaker 1: was Ariel's idea, and we figured out what we wanted
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Speaker 1: to do and we started doing it. And then there
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Speaker 1: was a point where it was going to be complicated
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Speaker 1: about me continuing to do the show because I also
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Speaker 1: work as a professional podcaster for I Heart Radio, and
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Speaker 1: there was a question about whether or not we should
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Speaker 1: do the show because of non compete issues all that
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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I don't want to go into it.
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Speaker 1: It's all boring. And ultimately the decision was to bring
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Speaker 1: large Nergon over to I Heeart, which we did after
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Speaker 1: after a long process, and then we did the show
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Speaker 1: with I Heart for a while. But you know, sometimes
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Speaker 1: shows just take longer to take off, or sometimes they
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Speaker 1: don't take off at all. It doesn't mean that the
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Speaker 1: people who are listening aren't great. You guys are fantastic.
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Speaker 1: We just we just didn't have enough of you. So
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Speaker 1: so the decision had to be made to to cut
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Speaker 1: the show. But we were given the opportunity to continue
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Speaker 1: the show as long as I take over all the
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Speaker 1: jobs of editing and production and publishing, and then we're
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Speaker 1: we're We're fine. And and Jonathan, being the masochistic that
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Speaker 1: he is, said yes, I want to do this, which
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Speaker 1: means the world to me because I love doing this
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Speaker 1: with you as well. So the fact that you're willing
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Speaker 1: to give up the very small amount of free time
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Speaker 1: you have to do this means the world to me. Well,
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Speaker 1: I truly enjoy doing this show and and it's a
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Speaker 1: great creative outlet. Your idea of mashing up different stuff
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Speaker 1: in order to make something new is one that immediately
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Speaker 1: appealed to me. So I'm glad I still get to
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Speaker 1: do it. But before we get to that, well, well,
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Speaker 1: a couple of things. You'll know some changes in the show.
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Speaker 1: We have new music h there are no ads, You're
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Speaker 1: welcome h and and we've kind of changed the the
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Speaker 1: format a little bit, but we're still doing kind of
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Speaker 1: news on top mash up on the bottom. We're like
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Speaker 1: a weird grocery store clerk. I mean, they're the best
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Speaker 1: grocery store clerks if you if you watch you know,
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Speaker 1: like Stranger Things or any show, the weird clerks are
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Speaker 1: the best ones. Um, the ones that people remember the most.
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Speaker 1: I know you said we weren't going to start with
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Speaker 1: a question, Jonathan, but um, I want to know what
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Speaker 1: you what geeky things? Have you gotten up to? Anything
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Speaker 1: geeky during the hiatus? Just real briefly. I know, I
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Speaker 1: know we don't want to make a very long episode
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Speaker 1: for you to edit, but so so I've you know,
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Speaker 1: I watched the first episode of she Hulk, which is
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Speaker 1: something I'm gonna have to reckon with when my wife
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Speaker 1: gets back. She's currently out of Town, which means I
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Speaker 1: watched the first episode without her, and um, that's always
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Speaker 1: a dangerous thing to do, but we know I'll watch
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Speaker 1: it again. I enjoyed it. Um. I recently started watching
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Speaker 1: The Boys, which has been on for like they finished
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Speaker 1: their third season this past year, and I had not
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Speaker 1: been watching it. I had seen clips and stuff, and
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Speaker 1: I know what The Boys is about, so I finally
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Speaker 1: actually started watching it with a caveat. So my anxiety
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Speaker 1: doesn't really let me watch super dark stuff without suffering,
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Speaker 1: like trauma, which supper dark. Yeah, yeah, so, uh so
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Speaker 1: I have been writing that advanced the video ten seconds
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Speaker 1: button a lot. So so there are scenes and also
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Speaker 1: there's certain scenes where if it's if it's a scene
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Speaker 1: with the Deep, I'm just like yeah, skip skip skip skip,
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Speaker 1: I don't care. Sometimes sometimes his stuff is interesting, but
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of super dark
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Speaker 1: and violent stuff. There's a lot of disturbing stuff, and
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of disturbing sexual stuff as well. So yeah, no, no,
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Speaker 1: it's it's and I mean it's all that was what
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Speaker 1: was meant to be from the beginning, and I understood that.
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Speaker 1: But there are just certain sequences where I'm like, I'm like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm having a trauma response watching this, And ultimately this
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Speaker 1: is supposed to be kind of entertainment. And I realized, like,
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Speaker 1: you've got to have conflict or you don't have a story. Um,
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Speaker 1: it's just occasionally that conflict reaches a level that's beyond
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Speaker 1: my current threshold, which, to be fair, was never super high,
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Speaker 1: but it's definitely not as high as it used to be. So, um,
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Speaker 1: that's what I've been doing. Okay. I watched the first
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Speaker 1: two seasons of the Boys, and it has some characters
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Speaker 1: I really like, But in the end, I was like,
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Speaker 1: is this is this adding value to my life in
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Speaker 1: any way? And while the acting is superb, and the
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Speaker 1: actors are great, and the special effects are brilliant and
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Speaker 1: and all that, it just it was too dark for me.
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Speaker 1: And so this latest season, knowing some of the things
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Speaker 1: they do, I was like, I I won't be able
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Speaker 1: to handle that. I'm just going to step away. Maybe
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Speaker 1: I'll watch some best of clips for the moments that
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Speaker 1: I know I want to see. Because the characters of
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Speaker 1: Mother's Milk and Frenchie are both phenomenal. Um, they're the
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Speaker 1: most likable people in the show. I have been. I
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Speaker 1: went to part of the reason it took us so
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Speaker 1: long to get back to this, you guys, as I
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Speaker 1: went to New York and watched Beetle Juice finally. It
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Speaker 1: was amazing. Um yeah, I can't believe you hadn't seen
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Speaker 1: the movie until you went to New York to watch
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Speaker 1: it at the musical, right. Well, I know that, but
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Speaker 1: you just said Beetlejuice, not Beetle Beetle Juice the musical,
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Speaker 1: which was phenomenal. I'm so glad I went to see
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Speaker 1: it on Broadway. I also ended up seeing American Buffalo
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Speaker 1: with Laurence Fishburne and Sam Elliott. Um because not Sam Elliott.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Sam Rockwell. I'm so sorry Laurence Fishburne
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Speaker 1: and Sam Rockwell, because when am I going to see
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Speaker 1: those two on stage from seven rows Away ever again? Um?
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Speaker 1: So that's why I did that. And it was a
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Speaker 1: great like master class and acting to watch it. So
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Speaker 1: that was really cool. And then I went to Disney,
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Speaker 1: which was great and way too hot in July, and
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Speaker 1: I caught COVID and then life has just been catching up.
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Speaker 1: I haven't watched she Hulk yet. I'm still finishing up
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Speaker 1: Miss Marvel, Um. But I did see thor Love and Thunder,
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Speaker 1: and uh, that was okay. You know, I still haven't
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Speaker 1: seen it. I am waiting for it to start streaming
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Speaker 1: and then i'll watch it. Then I'm still not going
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Speaker 1: to movie theaters, so I think I will make an
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Speaker 1: exception for that coming up soon. But I'll talk about
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Speaker 1: that more when we get to that part of our
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Speaker 1: news items where we're talking about, you know, the the
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Speaker 1: road maps ahead for various comic book film pathways. But first,
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Speaker 1: let's start with a discussion about the new trailer for
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Speaker 1: the new season of the not new web series Cobra
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Speaker 1: Kaye and now streaming. Say it's not a web series anymore?
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Speaker 1: It started as a web series? Did it started on YouTube?
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Speaker 1: My husband actually bought I think YouTube, read YouTube pre whatever,
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Speaker 1: whichever one you get their premium content on, probably premium
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Speaker 1: that would make sense, Um to watch it, And we've
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Speaker 1: been watching it ever since. Uh, I know you have
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Speaker 1: not watched the series, Jonathan, and I didn't really know
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Speaker 1: what was going on, correct, No, No. When I watched
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Speaker 1: that trailer, all I could take home was that everyone
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Speaker 1: seems to be shutting down their Dojo's the bad guy
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Speaker 1: from karate Kid three is stepping up to be an
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Speaker 1: uber like billionaire bad guy dude with with ideas of
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Speaker 1: world domination through opening up karate dojo's uh and And
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Speaker 1: as I watched it, I thought, I don't know what's happening,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know if I care enough to find out.
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Speaker 1: So what I will say, I am excited for the
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Speaker 1: new season partially has chosen so it partially because of
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Speaker 1: who they're bringing in is a new dojo master for
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Speaker 1: Cobra Kai. Partially because Johnny drives around in Eagle Thing van,
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Speaker 1: which is hilarious and I love and I have a
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Speaker 1: Cobra Ki shirt. Now I need an Eagle Thing shirt.
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Speaker 1: But um, every season I watch, I am frustrated to
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Speaker 1: heck him back with the characters and the bad decisions
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Speaker 1: they make right, but without the bad decisions, there's no story. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and so this is I mean, this is the same thing.
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Speaker 1: The trailers for each season almost feel too similar for me,
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Speaker 1: even though I've watched all the seasons and I enjoy them.
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Speaker 1: But but yeah, the bad guy from Karate Kid three
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Speaker 1: was the bad guy last season, and now he's even
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Speaker 1: batter because you know what's worse than being a violent,
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Speaker 1: um unhinged person like Crease is being a charming, violent
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Speaker 1: unhinged person, which is what this other villain is silver.
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Speaker 1: So um, it looks good. I'm excited for it. I honestly,
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Speaker 1: this new trailer barely touches on where season four left
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Speaker 1: off at and I was kind of surprised by that,
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Speaker 1: and I was worried that maybe I missed a season
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Speaker 1: of Cobra Kai in the interim of my pandemic fog.
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Speaker 1: But that's not the case. They just decided to show
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Speaker 1: more of I guess the later part of the season.
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Speaker 1: That's funny. It's interesting that they because you know you
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Speaker 1: you realize like the way that they in these series
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Speaker 1: or these seasons, rather that it's all designed to to
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Speaker 1: keep you hooked so that you want to see the
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Speaker 1: next one. It's funny that when they show you a
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Speaker 1: trailer for the next one and they're like, yeah, we're
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Speaker 1: not gonna tell you how we got everybody from there
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Speaker 1: to hear you're gonna have to tune in for that,
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Speaker 1: And you're like, come on, like you already got me
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Speaker 1: because I was hooked from the last season and I
10:43
Speaker 1: want to see what happens. And instead of you letting
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Speaker 1: me know. You're just like, yeah, well we'll tell you
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Speaker 1: at some point, but here's some other stuff. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: That being said, I'm glad it's continuing to get seasons. Um.
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Speaker 1: I enjoy it. The acting is great, it's fun. There
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Speaker 1: are lots of really fun Agraft fight scenes. So that's
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Speaker 1: that's all up my alley. Uh. Something that I bet
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Speaker 1: was up your alley, Jonathan, was the trailer for Wednesday. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so of course Tim Burton's, you know, behind the new
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Speaker 1: Netflix series that's coming out called Wednesday, based off Wednesday
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Speaker 1: Adams from the Adam Family. And I watched this teaser.
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Speaker 1: I watched it with some trepidation because Tim Burton, like
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Speaker 1: early Tim Burton stuff, is stuff that I really enjoy
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Speaker 1: like Beetlejuice. Beetle Juice is a brilliant film. It's it's
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Speaker 1: not it's not perfect, it's not flawless, but it's really
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Speaker 1: entertaining and it's interesting world building. But then you get
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Speaker 1: into some later tim Burton stuff and like some of
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Speaker 1: the more recent stuff where it's Tim Burton that is
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Speaker 1: tim Burton is where everything is that swirly curly Q
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Speaker 1: kind of aesthetic and everyone is quirky and dark and
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Speaker 1: weird ways, and it just gets to be a bit much.
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Speaker 1: It feels like it's Tim Burton dialed up to. It
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Speaker 1: feels like it feels like an anti cultural boiler plate movie. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I don't I don't resonate
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Speaker 1: with those as much. But this trailer, while it is
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Speaker 1: unmistakably tim Burton esque, it doesn't feel like it's it's
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Speaker 1: saturated to the point where it's all bleeding through. It
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Speaker 1: feels a little more held back. Yeah. If if I
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Speaker 1: had watched the trailer and they hadn't put up by
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Speaker 1: Tim Burton, and I hadn't read that it was by
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Speaker 1: Tim Burton, I may not have actually known. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: I really liked the teaser. I felt that the tone
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Speaker 1: was was great. It definitely is not something made for
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Speaker 1: all ages. It has an edgier tone. But then the
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Speaker 1: original cartoons did too. I think a lot of people
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Speaker 1: they think about the the television adaptation that was really
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Speaker 1: charming and appropriate for families, and then they think a
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Speaker 1: little bit of the early nineties movies that Christina Ricci
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Speaker 1: as Wednesday Atoms, where yeah, they had some edge to them,
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Speaker 1: but a lot of it was left up to imagination,
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Speaker 1: and this looks like it's a little more graphic than that.
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Speaker 1: Maybe not not overly graphic, but definitely showing you the
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Speaker 1: consequences of some of the actions. Like the famous opening
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Speaker 1: sequence of the first Adams Family movie shows the family
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Speaker 1: as they are preparing to dip a cauldron of boiling
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Speaker 1: oil on top of some carolers who are at the
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Speaker 1: front door. But you don't see the oil hitting the carolers.
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Speaker 1: You see some piranhas going for targets. And in this
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Speaker 1: this teetherer. Yeah, you see plenty of blood in that too.
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Speaker 1: So it's definitely a step further than what we saw
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Speaker 1: with the earlier films. Uh, but yeah, I think I
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Speaker 1: think it looks like it could be really entertaining. I agree.
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Speaker 1: It did catch me by surprise because I'm one of
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Speaker 1: those people who have forgot that previous Adam's family had
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Speaker 1: that edginess to it. Um, because again, they never showed
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Speaker 1: it in my imagination, just decided not to go there. Um.
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Speaker 1: So it was both a little darker than I anticipated
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Speaker 1: and also a little more teeny bopper. This is this
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Speaker 1: is definitely like a teen focused high school drama, which
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Speaker 1: is fine. Um, I love the casting. I know that
14:25
Speaker 1: some people got up in arms about casting, um, and
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Speaker 1: I don't understand it because everybody looks brilliant. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think it looks great. You also, if you go back
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Speaker 1: and look at the original cartoons and you look at
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Speaker 1: how the characters look in the original cartoons, I think
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Speaker 1: that the casting makes a lot of sense. I think
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Speaker 1: that it's going to be really fun, entertaining performances. So um,
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Speaker 1: I at least am willing to watch the first episode
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Speaker 1: and see how I feel about at But I mean,
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Speaker 1: my my first my gut instinct is I'm really going
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Speaker 1: to dig this series. Yeah. Yeah, I'm definitely gonna give
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Speaker 1: it a try. I've I've given tries to shows that
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Speaker 1: appealed to me a whole lot less. So we'll have
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Speaker 1: to talk about it when we do, uh something else
15:14
Speaker 1: we want to talk about, though hopefully we won't get
15:16
Speaker 1: too Tiradey is all the stuff we missed during our
15:20
Speaker 1: hiatus about d C and Marvel and streaming and all
15:25
Speaker 1: of the upheaval. Yeah, there's there's way more drama happening
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Speaker 1: off the screen than on the screen, As it turns
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Speaker 1: out like it is. So much has happened. So when
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Speaker 1: we were going on hiatus, we knew that there was
15:42
Speaker 1: this oncoming merger between Warner Brothers and Discovery. That was
15:46
Speaker 1: something that we had talked about previously. But since then
15:49
Speaker 1: the acquisition has progressed and we've started seeing some massive changes.
15:55
Speaker 1: As the CEO of Warner Brothers Discovery, David Zaslov, who
15:59
Speaker 1: came from the disc Every Side and Interest a full disclosure,
16:03
Speaker 1: used to be my boss because how stuff works used
16:07
Speaker 1: to be part of the Discovery Network or Discovery Communications. UM.
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Speaker 1: He's made some big changes, and one of them is
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Speaker 1: that he he has come to the conclusion, which is
16:19
Speaker 1: pretty hard to argue against. It's just it's it's just savage.
16:23
Speaker 1: He's come to the conclusion that spending enormous amounts of
16:27
Speaker 1: money to produce content for streaming platforms doesn't have a
16:33
Speaker 1: lot of economical sense behind it. There's not a good
16:35
Speaker 1: return on investment that you don't make your money back.
16:38
Speaker 1: And therefore, for big, big productions, for example, for stuff
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Speaker 1: that's within the d C universe, that should be geared
16:47
Speaker 1: towards theatrical release, not streaming platforms. To that end, uh,
16:53
Speaker 1: they shelved permanently the film that girl, so we're not
16:58
Speaker 1: gonna see it? Yeah, you You linked to an article
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Speaker 1: about from UM from I g N dot com, which
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Speaker 1: outlines a whole bunch of what's going on really well,
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Speaker 1: and I agree, like, I cannot. I cannot argue with
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Speaker 1: the fact that they need a better approach for DC movies,
17:14
Speaker 1: even the ones that people are like, are we even
17:16
Speaker 1: going to get the Batman too? I'm like, please know,
17:19
Speaker 1: it was so boring, um, And I realized a lot
17:22
Speaker 1: of people liked it, it it was just too slow for me. UM,
17:26
Speaker 1: and that only a few of their like offshoots have
17:30
Speaker 1: really been successful. And to be fair, like, we're going
17:32
Speaker 1: to get a second Joker movie? Do I think it's necessary?
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Speaker 1: Not really, um, But we're gonna get it because it
17:37
Speaker 1: did well. I understand them wanting to have a better
17:41
Speaker 1: overall approach, wanting to try for something more cohesive that
17:46
Speaker 1: is successful. UM. I even get them saying maybe for movies,
17:51
Speaker 1: we need to focus on the big screen, because I mean,
17:54
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot that goes into that beyond, just
17:59
Speaker 1: like movie theaters have, you know, relationships with directors and
18:04
Speaker 1: producing houses and they have to keep those as well.
18:07
Speaker 1: So I understand that they want a better investment, a
18:10
Speaker 1: return on their investment um And I also heard that,
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Speaker 1: like the script for the Batgirl movie wasn't super great,
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Speaker 1: there there were there were talks that the early test
18:22
Speaker 1: screenings were relatively lackluster, Like I don't think anyone was
18:28
Speaker 1: saying that they were absolute bombs, but that you know,
18:31
Speaker 1: the audience response was middling, right, and that chances are
18:36
Speaker 1: in order to get it to a better place you
18:39
Speaker 1: would have to do reshoots, which means more money. The
18:42
Speaker 1: film had already gone over budget. The original budget I
18:45
Speaker 1: believe was sent million and had gone up to ninety.
18:48
Speaker 1: Then after that you also have, you know, the promotional consideration,
18:51
Speaker 1: how much marketing money are you going to pay into it?
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Speaker 1: So you do understand that trying to fix something is
18:57
Speaker 1: going to cost more money, and if you're already at
18:59
Speaker 1: the thought that something that's meant just for streaming is
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Speaker 1: not going thinking. Ultimately, the story is, and I don't
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Speaker 1: know if this is true, but the story is that
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Speaker 1: they chose to shelve that Girl as a tax right off,
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Speaker 1: and the trade off is that the film can never
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Speaker 1: be released commercially or else it invalidates that tax right off,
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Speaker 1: which means there's no chance of us seeing it unless
19:29
Speaker 1: someone leaks it, which is which is unfortunately. I mean,
19:32
Speaker 1: I guess I could make a new Backgirl movie. Well yeah,
19:36
Speaker 1: but I mean this was a movie where we were
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Speaker 1: also going to see Michael Keaton come back as Batman,
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Speaker 1: which was really exciting, but also in Bad Girl. And
19:46
Speaker 1: we don't know if we're going to get the Flash
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Speaker 1: movie either. Now, part of the reason we don't know
19:51
Speaker 1: for getting the Flash Movie is because we don't know
19:53
Speaker 1: what else DC is going to cut from their slate,
19:56
Speaker 1: or this whole merger is going to cut, you know.
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Speaker 1: But the other reason is because Ezra Miller has been
20:03
Speaker 1: making some really poor decisions lately. Now they say that
20:06
Speaker 1: they're getting help for it and they want to make amends,
20:10
Speaker 1: and I really hope that's the case and that they're
20:13
Speaker 1: able to live a healthy, happy, productive life, because I
20:17
Speaker 1: do enjoy their performances, and I think everybody deserves a
20:20
Speaker 1: chance to correct their behavior. Agreed. Their behavior has been reportedly,
20:28
Speaker 1: uh difficult to to forgive easily because there there's some
20:36
Speaker 1: very serious allegations that that go along with Ezra Miller's behavior,
20:41
Speaker 1: and so this has brought up a lot of questions like,
20:43
Speaker 1: how do you promote a film where the lead character
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Speaker 1: is played by an actor who has been in such
20:50
Speaker 1: high profile negative publicity, and does that make the film toxic?
20:58
Speaker 1: And if so, is it better to just cut your
21:03
Speaker 1: losses and walk away? Hard to say, especially when you're
21:06
Speaker 1: talking about something as big budget as the Flash movie,
21:09
Speaker 1: Like that's a huge investment. It's not easy to just
21:12
Speaker 1: walk away from that. And I feel like they already
21:14
Speaker 1: are kind of doing that because I honestly, until you
21:17
Speaker 1: mentioned it, forgot about some of the larger accusations against
21:20
Speaker 1: Ezra Milleria. The article on Variety kind of talks about
21:24
Speaker 1: some of their smaller infractions. Um, so maybe that's a
21:29
Speaker 1: little bit of trying to smooth that over already, which
21:32
Speaker 1: is not necessarily good. Um, but that's all we need
21:37
Speaker 1: to say on that. We'll see what happens there. I
21:39
Speaker 1: really hope that thing. The TV shows that are successful
21:42
Speaker 1: don't get cut Young Justice, Harley Quinn, Doom, Patrol, Uh,
21:46
Speaker 1: peace Keeper, Peacemaker. I still can't get it right. I
21:51
Speaker 1: watched the entire season and it's okay. And then I
21:54
Speaker 1: really hope we get the Blue Beetle series because just
21:56
Speaker 1: aesthetically it appeals to me, and then I really like
21:58
Speaker 1: uh the lead actor in it, who is also one
22:02
Speaker 1: of the lead actors in Cover Kai. I would not
22:05
Speaker 1: hold your breath for what Peacemaker we've heard is definitely
22:08
Speaker 1: getting a second season, which is that surprised me, and
22:11
Speaker 1: that Harley Quinn is more likely than not safe. Everything
22:15
Speaker 1: else is questionable, and I would not hold my breath.
22:19
Speaker 1: I mean, David Zaslov has said that he plans to
22:22
Speaker 1: cut another three billion dollars from the joint merged merged
22:29
Speaker 1: companies of Warner Brothers in Discovery, and that may just
22:33
Speaker 1: be a conservative estimate, and that is a lot of money.
22:36
Speaker 1: So I would say that, you know, be ready to
22:41
Speaker 1: be disappointed and hope that maybe things turn out better.
22:46
Speaker 1: And if they do, that's great. But the other thing
22:49
Speaker 1: to keep in mind is that, uh, there, we don't
22:53
Speaker 1: we really don't know what's going on with d C
22:55
Speaker 1: and whether or not we're going to get yet another
22:57
Speaker 1: reboot where things are is going to get completely wiped
23:01
Speaker 1: off and it and it changes again, because there's been
23:05
Speaker 1: talk that Zaslov would much prefer to see d C
23:09
Speaker 1: do something similar to what Marvel did, which is to
23:11
Speaker 1: try and create a more coherent, uh timeline and coherent plan,
23:16
Speaker 1: which kind of brings us to talking about what's coming
23:20
Speaker 1: up for Marvel. Yes, okay, so real quick before we
23:23
Speaker 1: do that, I wanted to say everything in the I
23:25
Speaker 1: g N article. I can't even like super fault exception
23:30
Speaker 1: of the end where they say that Discovery plus appeals
23:32
Speaker 1: more to women and that HBO Max appeals more to men,
23:36
Speaker 1: that's incorrect. I do like, yeah, I feel like that's
23:40
Speaker 1: sexist sexist opinion there, which unfortunate to see in an article,
23:47
Speaker 1: but yes, I agree. Yeah, so, Uh. The big thing
23:51
Speaker 1: with m c U is a lot of the things
23:53
Speaker 1: that they've announced that we'll talk about are very exciting.
23:56
Speaker 1: At the same time, I'm having a little bit of
23:58
Speaker 1: burnout right now. The last stuff, it's been a decent
24:00
Speaker 1: fun Like the last few things have been decent and fun,
24:03
Speaker 1: but nothing super exciting. Exception of I will say like
24:06
Speaker 1: Miss Marvel is absolutely phenomenal. Um, So I don't know
24:13
Speaker 1: if trying to copy that route is at this point
24:16
Speaker 1: is necessarily the best path. Yeah. I got some interesting
24:19
Speaker 1: thoughts on this because I agree. I think Miss Marvel
24:22
Speaker 1: is the standout for the most recent and I still
24:25
Speaker 1: haven't seen Thor, but everything I've heard tells me that
24:27
Speaker 1: Thor is fine. That's that's kind of what I hear,
24:32
Speaker 1: Like it's fun slash fine, and that's it. Like it
24:35
Speaker 1: was like like some people say it's the most Tayko
24:39
Speaker 1: White t D of all the Taiko Hye t d entries,
24:42
Speaker 1: and that that that's both good and bad and so
24:47
Speaker 1: that's but I still haven't seen it. But I love
24:49
Speaker 1: Miss Marvel. I've enjoyed the first episode of She Hulk.
24:53
Speaker 1: I I feel similarly. But I also think that we're
24:58
Speaker 1: One way of looking at this is we're in the
25:00
Speaker 1: reset stage for Marvel in the sense that the Infinity
25:04
Speaker 1: Saga was the first really big storyline, right it crossed
25:09
Speaker 1: over from Phase one through Phase three, and then the
25:12
Speaker 1: consequences of it are have reached into Phase four, which
25:16
Speaker 1: is what we're in right now, um, and that the
25:20
Speaker 1: new big one is the Kang Saga, and that's from
25:26
Speaker 1: Phase four through Phase six, which means we're still in
25:29
Speaker 1: the early stages of that story unfolding, where we're getting
25:34
Speaker 1: introduced to new characters and they're laying the groundwork. And
25:37
Speaker 1: if you think of it that way, you can say,
25:40
Speaker 1: all right, Obviously they're not going to be able to
25:42
Speaker 1: keep up the same epic scale that was towards the
25:46
Speaker 1: end of the Infinity Saga, because then you can't build
25:49
Speaker 1: to anything, you gotta bring it back down. I don't
25:52
Speaker 1: think they've done that in the best way. I think
25:54
Speaker 1: that it's still could have been more entertaining. Like I
25:57
Speaker 1: was disappointed by the second Doctor Strange movie. I like
26:00
Speaker 1: bits of it, but overall I was kind of disappointed.
26:04
Speaker 1: It wasn't as strange as I was hoping. Yeah, and
26:07
Speaker 1: also it was so like I I feel conflicted because
26:11
Speaker 1: it depended so heavily on people having watched One Division
26:16
Speaker 1: for you to understand what Wanda was doing. If you
26:18
Speaker 1: had not seen One Division, you'd be sitting there thinking, Okay,
26:23
Speaker 1: who the heck are these kids? Where did they come from?
26:25
Speaker 1: Who's the father? Because they never mentioned that? And Doctor
26:30
Speaker 1: Strange too, and so yeah, it's just one of those
26:32
Speaker 1: things where where it felt like a misstep to me. Uh,
26:37
Speaker 1: you know, ideally you would be able to go into
26:39
Speaker 1: the movie and enjoy it even if you had not
26:41
Speaker 1: seen One Division. Now I love One Division. I think
26:43
Speaker 1: it's still the best of all the uh, the streaming
26:47
Speaker 1: Marvel products that have been created. But that kind of
26:53
Speaker 1: rubbed me the wrong way. I just felt it it
26:56
Speaker 1: wasn't great storytelling. Like if I had not had that experience,
26:59
Speaker 1: I would have just been thinking like, why should I
27:01
Speaker 1: care about? Why is Wanda caring about this? Who are
27:04
Speaker 1: these kids? They just came out of nowhere? Yeah? Yeah,
27:07
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree all of the all of the
27:09
Speaker 1: little Easter eggs and it can't make up for some
27:13
Speaker 1: lackluster storytelling. Uh. That being said, there are things upcoming
27:18
Speaker 1: for Marvel that I'm very excited about. I think the
27:20
Speaker 1: trailer for the new Black Panther movie looks phenomenal. I
27:23
Speaker 1: even cried a little bit. I'm super excited that Naymore
27:26
Speaker 1: is in that. Um. I yeah, what kinda Forever is trailer?
27:30
Speaker 1: If you have not seen it, and I can't imagine
27:32
Speaker 1: you haven't. If you're listening to this podcast, do yourself
27:35
Speaker 1: a favor and watch it. It is possibly the best
27:40
Speaker 1: superhero trailer I have ever seen, and you never get
27:45
Speaker 1: a full look at the superhero. Yes, I will say
27:51
Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited for aunt Man in Wasp because I
27:55
Speaker 1: have enjoyed all of those movies so far. Um, and
28:00
Speaker 1: then everything else I'm excited for is like everything else
28:04
Speaker 1: that's a movie coming out. Sure, it's fine, it's gonna
28:06
Speaker 1: be fun. I will go watch it. But the things
28:08
Speaker 1: I'm most excited for, well, I guess Blade is a movie,
28:11
Speaker 1: and I'm excited for Blade are are the TV shows
28:13
Speaker 1: like Echo and Daredevil. And yeah, the fact that Daredevil's
28:16
Speaker 1: coming back and Vincent don Afrio is coming back is Kingpin,
28:19
Speaker 1: which kind of gives you a spoiler as to you know,
28:22
Speaker 1: the fact that he survived the ending of Hawkeye. Yeah,
28:26
Speaker 1: because the way the Hawkeye ends, the implication is that
28:29
Speaker 1: he's dead. But clearly if he's coming back for Daredevil,
28:33
Speaker 1: he's not. And if you read the comics, then yeah,
28:35
Speaker 1: of course you know that he's coming back. He'll probably
28:38
Speaker 1: be blind, but he'll be coming back. Um, and you know,
28:42
Speaker 1: I'm I'm jazz for the Daredevil series. I love that
28:46
Speaker 1: we're getting a little bit of Daredevil earlier in She
28:48
Speaker 1: Hulk that's been teased, so we know that's gonna happen.
28:52
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen to happen. Yes, yes, in fact, our
28:56
Speaker 1: mashup is all about that. But our spoiler alert for
29:00
Speaker 1: anyone who hasn't watched the first episode. It doesn't happen
29:02
Speaker 1: in the first episode, so they're saving that for a
29:05
Speaker 1: little bit later done the line. But yeah, it's I'm
29:10
Speaker 1: more excited about the streaming stuff as well. Like we
29:13
Speaker 1: know a little bit about Phase five. You know, we're
29:15
Speaker 1: getting Guardians volume three. Um, we're getting the Marvels, which
29:22
Speaker 1: will be exciting to find out what the heck happened
29:24
Speaker 1: to Kamala khan Um. I haven't. I haven't finished Miss
29:28
Speaker 1: Marvel's so oh you haven't. Oh well, stay all the
29:34
Speaker 1: way through the credits because that will explain why I said,
29:38
Speaker 1: you find out what happens to Kamalakan. I was group
29:41
Speaker 1: watching it with a friend and then vacations and life
29:44
Speaker 1: circumstances with that moment that we couldn't catch up. So
29:46
Speaker 1: I'm glad you. I'm glad you told me though, because
29:48
Speaker 1: there is like a reveal that is a mind blowing
29:53
Speaker 1: reveal that's very casual at the end of Miss Marvel,
29:57
Speaker 1: and I am dying to talk to you about it
30:00
Speaker 1: because the implications it has for the m C. You
30:03
Speaker 1: are crazy, Um, But I'm fast I'm fast tracking catching
30:10
Speaker 1: up in between the new season of Lock and Key
30:12
Speaker 1: and also I fell down the rabbit hole of Critical Role,
30:15
Speaker 1: Calamity and Dimension twenties Cord of Fame Flowers. So that's
30:20
Speaker 1: funny because I've started, well, I haven't been watching full episodes,
30:24
Speaker 1: but I've watched a lot of clips. I don't have
30:26
Speaker 1: the patience to watch a full Critical Role episode. I
30:29
Speaker 1: can't set upside four and a half hours to watch
30:32
Speaker 1: one episode, but I'll watch the clips and I have.
30:34
Speaker 1: I have come to love the voice actors and their
30:38
Speaker 1: characters out of the clips, but I have no context
30:41
Speaker 1: for what's going on. Oh well, it took me, like
30:44
Speaker 1: it's taken me two days to get two hours into
30:46
Speaker 1: the first episode. But this is a mini arc. You
30:47
Speaker 1: don't need to know a lot about the world or
30:50
Speaker 1: the previous campaigns, so it's only sixteen hours. But regardless, Uh,
30:58
Speaker 1: Miss Marvel's going to the top of that list now
31:00
Speaker 1: that I can get backtrack, back on track on watching it.
31:03
Speaker 1: But definitely, definitely, But yeah, you know other movies, I like,
31:08
Speaker 1: I'm excited for Captain America, but Falcon and Winter Soldier
31:12
Speaker 1: didn't super grab me. So I just I feel like
31:18
Speaker 1: this is a great opportunity to feature the new Captain
31:22
Speaker 1: America and to one. What makes me wonder is how,
31:27
Speaker 1: if at all, does it fit into the the Kang story?
31:32
Speaker 1: Does it? Or is it more of something that's tangential,
31:36
Speaker 1: Because I would argue that Captain America Winter Soldier was
31:40
Speaker 1: not directly connected to the Infinity War saga, it was
31:46
Speaker 1: an important element because that's where we find out that
31:49
Speaker 1: Hydra had infiltrated Shield and then Shield dissolves as a
31:53
Speaker 1: result of what we see spoiler alert if you haven't
31:56
Speaker 1: watched Winter Soldier, but but you know it's it doesn't
32:01
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like it's like part of the epic
32:04
Speaker 1: story of Infinity Saga. And I wonder if this new
32:08
Speaker 1: Captain American movie is going to be occupying a similar
32:11
Speaker 1: space within the Kang because I can't imagine how you
32:15
Speaker 1: incorporate a Captain America story into something as as cosmic
32:20
Speaker 1: as a Kang storyline. I mean you can't. Well, I
32:24
Speaker 1: guess you more have to incorporate Kang into the street
32:27
Speaker 1: level of Captain America. The new Captain America. Um, and
32:32
Speaker 1: then we're getting some stuff. So I do want to
32:35
Speaker 1: see that because I really like Anthony Mackie. Mm hmm.
32:38
Speaker 1: He's great, He's he's phenomenal and I love watching him,
32:41
Speaker 1: so I will watch it. I will probably enjoy it.
32:44
Speaker 1: I'm just not excited for it yet. And then there
32:46
Speaker 1: are things that we're getting, like the Thunderbolts in Secret
32:49
Speaker 1: Wars that I'm just like not at all excited for,
32:53
Speaker 1: and maybe I should be. Maybe I'm a bad geek,
32:55
Speaker 1: but Thunderbolts is kind of the well, it's not kind of.
32:58
Speaker 1: It is the m c U equivalent of Suicide Squad,
33:01
Speaker 1: and Secret War is kind of like all of the
33:07
Speaker 1: War our Secret Invaders. No, Secret Invasion is the scrull
33:12
Speaker 1: skull scroll crawl, sir scroll thank you. Um, that's the
33:18
Speaker 1: Secret Invasion. Secret War is something they're talking about in
33:21
Speaker 1: like like one of the last things coming out. Yeah,
33:24
Speaker 1: that's that's that's like the conclusion of the Kang Yeah
33:29
Speaker 1: where they where they My understanding, and maybe I'm getting
33:32
Speaker 1: this wrong because I have not read it, is all
33:34
Speaker 1: of the superheroes get like transported to a planet and
33:37
Speaker 1: it's kind of like they all have a smash brothers
33:40
Speaker 1: brawl out for these cosmic beings. It's it's it's interesting
33:44
Speaker 1: because there was a Secret Wars event that happened much much,
33:48
Speaker 1: much earlier that had to do with the Beyonder, which
33:51
Speaker 1: is not a character that I expect we'll ever see
33:53
Speaker 1: in the m c U. But then I didn't think
33:54
Speaker 1: we'd see celestials either, so what do I know? Um,
33:57
Speaker 1: So there that one. But then the later Secret Wars
34:02
Speaker 1: is one where everyone gets transported to the battle planet
34:06
Speaker 1: and uh, and the lots of heroes and villains du
34:11
Speaker 1: get out there. And it's often these are used to
34:15
Speaker 1: help kind of create a new foundation to build from.
34:21
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen this in comic books a lot,
34:23
Speaker 1: where there's this big event and the main purpose for
34:27
Speaker 1: the big event is because things have gotten so complicated
34:30
Speaker 1: across all the different titles that it becomes difficult to
34:33
Speaker 1: create anything because everything is so confusing. So it's kind
34:37
Speaker 1: of like, all right, that's it, everyone out of the pool.
34:41
Speaker 1: We're picking teams. If you're not picked, just go home.
34:44
Speaker 1: I kind of already feel like that, so I understand
34:47
Speaker 1: why they're going there. Yeah, well, I mean, and once
34:50
Speaker 1: they opened up the multiverse door, there was like, okay,
34:53
Speaker 1: well now, if it wasn't too complicated before, it definitely
34:57
Speaker 1: is now. Yeah, and are our dear friends who are listening.
35:01
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I still love m C you
35:03
Speaker 1: and I'll still watch their stuff. I just I am
35:08
Speaker 1: I understand, because yeah, I feel like Dr Strange just
35:12
Speaker 1: really let me down. I lost a lot of momentum
35:15
Speaker 1: with that. What was the one before that? What was
35:17
Speaker 1: the one before Doctor Strange? No Way Home? Yeah, No
35:23
Speaker 1: Way Home didn't really like. I liked bits of No
35:26
Speaker 1: Way Home, but I didn't that one didn't really resonate
35:28
Speaker 1: with me that much either. Um and the Eternals was
35:31
Speaker 1: a total myths for me. So yeah, that that was
35:34
Speaker 1: a giant with there, like maybe some good things, but
35:36
Speaker 1: even like so there is a I think we talked
35:41
Speaker 1: about this, there's an easter egg. There's a Blade easter
35:43
Speaker 1: egg in the very end of Eternals, and it's so
35:46
Speaker 1: vague that unless you know and then like deep dive research,
35:49
Speaker 1: you're not going to know, right, Yeah. I when I
35:53
Speaker 1: watched the post credits sequence and you hear Blade, but
35:57
Speaker 1: Blade is not on screen, I didn't know who that
36:00
Speaker 1: was or why I should care m And then I
36:03
Speaker 1: looked into it. Then I realized, like, oh, I know
36:05
Speaker 1: who it is. I still don't care, but I know
36:07
Speaker 1: who it is. That I mean, I'm excited for Blade,
36:09
Speaker 1: Blade is such fun. I'm excited for the I'm excited
36:13
Speaker 1: for the actor because the actor is amazing, but I
36:16
Speaker 1: don't have any fondness for the character. Maybe the film
36:19
Speaker 1: will change that for me, because you know, I felt
36:22
Speaker 1: the same way about other cares like Garis the Galaxy.
36:24
Speaker 1: I never cared about them till I saw the movie,
36:26
Speaker 1: and so there's totally the opportunity to turn me around
36:29
Speaker 1: on this. Yeah. Uh, that being said, I feel like
36:34
Speaker 1: we've we've talked a lot about this, but it's time
36:39
Speaker 1: to maybe go into our mashup because yeah, no, I agree,
36:43
Speaker 1: I think we've we've kind of exhausted this. The other
36:46
Speaker 1: element we were talking about is just this this issue
36:48
Speaker 1: about streaming, about figuring out that balance between production and
36:53
Speaker 1: you know what that's been because here's the issue with that,
36:55
Speaker 1: just to go super fast, Netflix was pouring tons of
36:59
Speaker 1: money into auction, largely in an effort to continue to
37:02
Speaker 1: attract new subscribers, and then once Netflix started to show
37:06
Speaker 1: that it was having a net loss in subscribers, the
37:11
Speaker 1: domino started to fall because then and then all the
37:14
Speaker 1: other streaming services started getting scared too. So that's why
37:17
Speaker 1: we're kind of in this world where It's not just
37:19
Speaker 1: happening at Warner Brothers Discovery, although I would argue that's
37:22
Speaker 1: the most visible place where it's happening. But all the
37:25
Speaker 1: streaming services are starting to question how much is appropriate
37:30
Speaker 1: to spend in production to make the material to attract
37:33
Speaker 1: people to your platform. Yes, and before before we go on,
37:37
Speaker 1: because now you've opened this door. I am very very
37:40
Speaker 1: torn on it because on the one hand, I'm an actor.
37:42
Speaker 1: I want as many productions to be happening as possible,
37:45
Speaker 1: so I have as many chances as possible to do
37:48
Speaker 1: the thing that I love, which is to tell stories
37:51
Speaker 1: and to entertain other people. Right. But on the other hand,
37:54
Speaker 1: Netflix was coming out with so much that it was
37:57
Speaker 1: becoming impossible for me to find that the things I
38:00
Speaker 1: wanted to watch on their platform and to decipher what
38:03
Speaker 1: would be for me versus what wouldn't. A lot of
38:05
Speaker 1: their stuff just fell flat, in my opinion, And I
38:09
Speaker 1: know people who have left the streaming service because that's
38:12
Speaker 1: all that was coming up in their their feed, and
38:15
Speaker 1: so there was to them, there's nothing on Netflix they
38:18
Speaker 1: want to watch, despite the immense amount of new projects
38:21
Speaker 1: that Netflix is pulling out. So I'm very torn. I
38:24
Speaker 1: do think that there should be quality control and and
38:27
Speaker 1: maybe appearing down. But on the other hand that that
38:30
Speaker 1: I don't want that to mean less opportunities for me.
38:32
Speaker 1: So well, the issue there, of course, is that if
38:35
Speaker 1: you lose enough subscribers, all the opportunities go away because
38:39
Speaker 1: the company goes out of business. So but but I'm
38:43
Speaker 1: sure we'll revisit this many times. I think this is just,
38:46
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the next evolutionary step in the
38:49
Speaker 1: streaming business model, and that we will figure out the
38:53
Speaker 1: right way forward. Uh And and it's kind of similar
38:56
Speaker 1: to how like we're still seeing films try and figure
39:00
Speaker 1: you're out, like how much do you pour into a
39:02
Speaker 1: movie production in a world where the box office numbers,
39:06
Speaker 1: while much better than they were early on in the
39:10
Speaker 1: post pandemic phase, are still not two pre pandemic numbers
39:14
Speaker 1: for the most part. Yeah, and maybe maybe we're learning
39:16
Speaker 1: that everybody having their own individual streaming service is not
39:20
Speaker 1: the best route to go. I can't afford them all,
39:23
Speaker 1: so you're gonna You're gonna lose me once I've caught
39:26
Speaker 1: up on your shows while I go watch the shows
39:28
Speaker 1: on another streaming platform. I'm not keeping all of those
39:31
Speaker 1: subscriptions I'm going to cancel them and rebuy them, like
39:33
Speaker 1: that's just fiscally the thing that I need to do.
39:37
Speaker 1: So totally I'm on the same page. And something that
39:40
Speaker 1: we're not on the same page about because we don't
39:43
Speaker 1: know what each other did is our mashups. So for
39:47
Speaker 1: those who are listening maybe for the first time, this
39:50
Speaker 1: is where we're going to mash up to properties to
39:53
Speaker 1: make something new. Now, in this case, we're cheating, I think,
39:57
Speaker 1: because we're not taking too completely unconnect did totally not
40:02
Speaker 1: uh similar properties and then mashing them together. In fact,
40:05
Speaker 1: we're taking two properties that are getting matched together, but
40:09
Speaker 1: we're we're kind of pushing she Hulk and Daredevil together
40:12
Speaker 1: too to make our own little law show. Yeah, you've
40:16
Speaker 1: been wanting she Hulk and Daredevil together since back when
40:20
Speaker 1: they announced there was going to be a she Hulk show.
40:22
Speaker 1: So before we knew they were doing it, before we
40:25
Speaker 1: knew that Daredevil was going to show up in that series,
40:29
Speaker 1: I was saying, well, this was before we even knew
40:31
Speaker 1: that Charlie Cox was going to come back to the
40:33
Speaker 1: m c U. Right, Yeah, we didn't we we he
40:36
Speaker 1: had not done No Way Home. We did not know
40:39
Speaker 1: if they were going to bring Daredevil back in, and
40:41
Speaker 1: if they were, if Charlie Cox would be playing it.
40:44
Speaker 1: So yeah, this was something I had been pitching for
40:46
Speaker 1: a while and we finally got around to it after
40:48
Speaker 1: they've decided they're actually gonna do it. Yeah, No, I
40:50
Speaker 1: do think it happened in the comics. I'm not sure
40:52
Speaker 1: I think it happened in the comics. So still not
40:54
Speaker 1: completely original, but we just decided to bite the bullet
40:57
Speaker 1: and do it. Yes, So these are are kind of,
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Speaker 1: if you like to think of it, our pitches for
41:03
Speaker 1: how She Hulk and Daredevil could coexist in the same property.
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Speaker 1: All Right, I think I'm going to go first, because
41:10
Speaker 1: admittedly I love She Hulk. I love her in conceptum
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Speaker 1: everything about her. I even wanted to be She Hulk
41:18
Speaker 1: for a while. But I actually haven't read many of
41:21
Speaker 1: much of her properties. So this is very like surface
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Speaker 1: level mash up. And you haven't seen the first episode either, right,
41:27
Speaker 1: and I haven't seen the first episode yet either. No,
41:30
Speaker 1: because I have to finish Miss Marvel first. Maybe I
41:32
Speaker 1: don't have to, but I am choosing to. I want
41:34
Speaker 1: to do it chronologically. Okay, so this is called dry
41:38
Speaker 1: times in super Law or better DM Daredevil because I
41:41
Speaker 1: also just finished better call Saul Brilliant. Okay, So the
41:46
Speaker 1: West Coast Avengers were doing a great job at keeping
41:48
Speaker 1: the city safe. Crime was down, streets were clean, and
41:51
Speaker 1: just Jennifer Walters a k a. She Hulk found that
41:54
Speaker 1: she had a sudden lack of clients to represent, so
41:57
Speaker 1: she decided to visit her cousin Bruce in New York.
42:00
Speaker 1: New York always had crime. Right now, this isn't a
42:02
Speaker 1: dig on New York. I love New York. Beetle Juice
42:04
Speaker 1: was amazing, like I said earlier, and I want to
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Speaker 1: go back. But I also used to want to be
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Speaker 1: she Hulk, and I never wanted to study law. And okay,
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Speaker 1: I just um getting off, so I digress. When Jennifer
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Speaker 1: got to New York, she found that crime there was
42:17
Speaker 1: also at an all time low. While I'm here, she thought,
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Speaker 1: I can't leave without doing at least one case, so
42:24
Speaker 1: she went to the local courthouse to volunteer some time
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Speaker 1: as a public defender. And before you ask, when you're
42:29
Speaker 1: superhero super lawyer, courts are willing to wave bar laws
42:32
Speaker 1: for the prestige I imagine. Okay, So back to the story.
42:37
Speaker 1: When Jennifer all hulked out got to the courthouse. She
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Speaker 1: was ushered into the room where she would wait for
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Speaker 1: a judge who arrived and assign her her charity case
42:45
Speaker 1: because she was doing a pro bono. But when she
42:47
Speaker 1: entered the room, she realized she wasn't alone. Leaning against
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Speaker 1: the wall in the corner of the room was a
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Speaker 1: rather fit but fairly normal looking dude with sunglasses on.
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Speaker 1: Or that's what the common non lawyer would think. She
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Speaker 1: hulk knew this was a one blind Matt Murdoch, a
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Speaker 1: k A Daredevil, a k A eighth New York lawyer
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Speaker 1: and street level soup. He said, you sound tall. You
43:08
Speaker 1: must be Jennifer Walters. Sorry, I've lost my place in
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Speaker 1: my mashup. I write this down people. Bruce told me
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Speaker 1: you were coming. And just then the judge walked in
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Speaker 1: with a slightly uneasy look on his face, and that's
43:20
Speaker 1: when he delivered the bad news. There was only one
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Speaker 1: case to be tried on the books, an old woman
43:26
Speaker 1: who was being tried for rescuing kittens off the street
43:28
Speaker 1: and selling them as puerbreads to unsuspecting cat enthusiasts. Yes,
43:32
Speaker 1: she's stole money, but she was also homing cats, so
43:34
Speaker 1: it was barely even a crime. Both lawyers were so
43:38
Speaker 1: desperate for a case that at the exact same time,
43:40
Speaker 1: they reached for the filed and yelled, I'll take it.
43:43
Speaker 1: What ensued was a tug of war, with each lawyer
43:45
Speaker 1: trying to convince the judge that they should be assigned
43:47
Speaker 1: the case. Their anger got higher and higher, their faces
43:50
Speaker 1: faces got closer and closer, and the judge couldn't tell
43:53
Speaker 1: whether they were about to punch each other or kiss
43:54
Speaker 1: each other. And that's when the file ripped into flinging
43:57
Speaker 1: the two super lawyers across the room. The judge had
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Speaker 1: no patience for this. Matt Murdoch was a great lawyer,
44:03
Speaker 1: but the she Hulk was a superhero. Yes, the judge
44:06
Speaker 1: didn't know that Matt was Daredevil, but then again, She
44:09
Speaker 1: Hulk also couldn't technically didn't technically prove that she could
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Speaker 1: practice law in New York. So he decided the best
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Speaker 1: thing to do would be let the defendant decide who
44:16
Speaker 1: would be the best lawyer to represent her. So the
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Speaker 1: two were brought into an empty courtroom with the defendant
44:22
Speaker 1: and the judge, and they started their arguments. High and
44:25
Speaker 1: Mighty lawyers speak quickly turned into angry lawyer shouting, and
44:28
Speaker 1: soon the judge an old lady criminal were hiding behind
44:30
Speaker 1: the judge's podium as she Hulk and Matt Murdoch began
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Speaker 1: breaking things, starring furniture destroying the courtroom. Thankfully, just then
44:36
Speaker 1: Foggy and Bruce showed up to take each of their
44:38
Speaker 1: counterparts to lunch. They saw what was happening and pulled
44:41
Speaker 1: the two apart. The judge was so angry at this
44:43
Speaker 1: lack of professionalism that he suspended both lawyers. Also, that
44:47
Speaker 1: judge was still not very smart to not realize that
44:49
Speaker 1: Matt Murdoch was a superhero, but then again, you tend
44:52
Speaker 1: to be kind of distracted when you're avoided being hit
44:54
Speaker 1: in the head with a witness stand. So Matt Daredevil
44:57
Speaker 1: and Jennifer she Hulk didn't know what to do with
45:00
Speaker 1: themselves now that they couldn't practice law, and decided to
45:02
Speaker 1: make amends to become superhero bounty hunters until they got
45:05
Speaker 1: their licenses back, which was a much better team up.
45:07
Speaker 1: The end, uh does become a bounty hunter, so it's
45:14
Speaker 1: kind of way in one storyline, Yeah, essentially, Well are
45:20
Speaker 1: our stories went in very different directions, So mine is
45:24
Speaker 1: called the Devil and Miss Walters, Jennifer Walters has a problem. No,
45:31
Speaker 1: it's not that she can transform into a six ft
45:34
Speaker 1: seven hulk. She's got that more or less under control.
45:37
Speaker 1: It's that she's been assigned an impossible task defending the
45:42
Speaker 1: Vulture in court. After serving time, Vulture was released from prison,
45:47
Speaker 1: but then Damage Control got involved. See Damage Control started
45:52
Speaker 1: off as an organization dedicated to cleaning up the collateral
45:55
Speaker 1: damage created by superhero and supervillain TIFFs. But now now
45:59
Speaker 1: it's a full blown federal law enforcement agency that apprehends
46:03
Speaker 1: superpowered criminals, and the agency has an axe to grind
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Speaker 1: against the Vulture. So, being the new lawyer in charge
46:11
Speaker 1: of cases involving superhumans, Jennifer is named as the lead
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Speaker 1: for the defense. But it's a couple of hours before
46:18
Speaker 1: she has to go to court, so she's at a
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Speaker 1: diner around the corner from the courthouse, sitting at the
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Speaker 1: counter when she hears mind if I join you, and
46:25
Speaker 1: she closes her eyes. She lets out a sigh because
46:29
Speaker 1: even as Jennifer Walters, folks recognize her as the lawyer
46:32
Speaker 1: who can turn into a hulk. She gets ready to
46:35
Speaker 1: dismiss yet another aggressive jerk looking to data superhero when
46:39
Speaker 1: she turns and sees a handsome, well dressed and blind
46:42
Speaker 1: man standing a respectful distance from her. Oh, she says, sure,
46:48
Speaker 1: I mean no, I mean please sit down. So the
46:52
Speaker 1: man maneuvers into the seat and says thanks. He orders
46:55
Speaker 1: a coffee. Jennifer takes a good look at the man.
46:58
Speaker 1: He's well dressed, he's well groomed. He's carrying in a briefcase.
47:00
Speaker 1: And so she says, let me take a wild guess
47:03
Speaker 1: you're a lawyer too. The man chuckles, I guess it's
47:06
Speaker 1: hard to keep a low profile when you're so near
47:08
Speaker 1: the courthouse. So you too, huh? And she nods and
47:12
Speaker 1: then she says, oh, yes, and he grins. You nodded
47:17
Speaker 1: at a blind man, didn't you. And Jennifer lets out
47:19
Speaker 1: an embarrassed laugh. She says, yeah, sorry, and the man
47:22
Speaker 1: just grins and shrugs. Happens all the time. I'm Matt,
47:25
Speaker 1: Matt Murdoch of Nelson and Murdoch. And he extends a
47:28
Speaker 1: hand in Jennifer's general direction. Jennifer walters, she says, and
47:34
Speaker 1: she feels his grip changed just slightly in her hand. Yeah, yeah,
47:38
Speaker 1: I'm the green lawyer. Woman. Well, Matt smile doesn't change.
47:42
Speaker 1: Must be challenging celebrity lawyers leaded different life, and I
47:46
Speaker 1: understand you weren't looking for that kind of thing. And
47:50
Speaker 1: Jennifer shrugs and says, I didn't really have a choice.
47:52
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a bit irritating at times. But we
47:55
Speaker 1: still have a job to do, Mr Murdoch. Oh, that
47:57
Speaker 1: we do, Miss Walters, says Matt, So on me, you
48:00
Speaker 1: on the attack today. Jennifer Grant's Nope, courts have decided
48:04
Speaker 1: that a super heroic prosecutor might unfairly influence juries. I
48:09
Speaker 1: mostly stick with defense cases these days. I'm representing the Vulture.
48:12
Speaker 1: In fact, damage control really has it out for the guy.
48:16
Speaker 1: Then Matt Murdoch frowns. The Vulture hang on a second,
48:20
Speaker 1: and he reaches into his briefcase, pulls out a couple
48:22
Speaker 1: of pieces of paper, one in text, one embrall, and
48:24
Speaker 1: he says, do you mean Adrian Tombs. Walters looks at
48:28
Speaker 1: the papers, Wait, you're representing Tombs. That can't be right,
48:33
Speaker 1: and then Matt looks confused to say, what's going on here?
48:35
Speaker 1: I mean Tombs has made some big mistakes but Damage
48:38
Speaker 1: Control is unfairly targeting him, practically guaranteeing they're gonna push
48:42
Speaker 1: him harder into bad choices, and Jennifer size it's these
48:46
Speaker 1: damn superhuman laws. The laws just hasn't caught up to
48:49
Speaker 1: what superpowered people are able to do. And it looks
48:52
Speaker 1: like we've got two cases here, one targeting Tombs as tombs,
48:56
Speaker 1: the other targeting him as the vulture. Well, the two
48:58
Speaker 1: agree that they need to head to the courthouse to
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Speaker 1: get this all sorted out, and once they get there,
49:03
Speaker 1: they are brought into a meeting room, and this meeting
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Speaker 1: has two judges and two sets of prosecutors, and it
49:10
Speaker 1: all gets very heated as the two judges even argue
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Speaker 1: with each other about which of them should hear the case,
49:16
Speaker 1: and everyone but the prosecutors agree that a pair of
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Speaker 1: cases against the same man in two different identities is
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Speaker 1: just not fair. Just then, the building shutters a bit
49:25
Speaker 1: and there's a sound like an explosion. Murdoch says Tombs
49:29
Speaker 1: he's escaping. Before Jennifer can ask how the heck Murdoch
49:34
Speaker 1: could know a thing like that, there's another shutter and
49:37
Speaker 1: another boom, and she sighs and she kicks off her
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Speaker 1: shoes and dashes out of the meeting room, transforming into
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Speaker 1: she Hulk. Along the way, she runs down a hall
49:46
Speaker 1: towards the sounds of destruction, and turning a corner, sees
49:48
Speaker 1: Adrian Tombs halfway changed into the Vulture. How, she says,
49:55
Speaker 1: And the Vulture turns and laughs and pulls on another
49:57
Speaker 1: piece of his exo suit, and she rushes at him,
50:00
Speaker 1: and he swings and hits her early and and sends
50:02
Speaker 1: her flying back. She Hulks, surprised by Tombs of strength
50:06
Speaker 1: due to his exo suit, picks herself up and looks
50:08
Speaker 1: angry and determined and angry, and she rushes back. Tombs
50:13
Speaker 1: does his best to avoid she helps, attacks, swinging back
50:16
Speaker 1: at her, and the fight goes on for a bit,
50:18
Speaker 1: absolutely wrecking the courthouse hallway. And then suddenly, at the
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Speaker 1: other end of the hall appears another costume figure. He's
50:25
Speaker 1: in a red outfit with gold accents and a mask
50:28
Speaker 1: that covers the upper half of his face. It is
50:31
Speaker 1: the Devil of Hell's Kitchen, or, as Walters would come
50:34
Speaker 1: to know him, Mr Flippy Dippy. He flippy dippyes his
50:39
Speaker 1: way down the hall and joins the fight, and together
50:41
Speaker 1: she Hulk and Daredevil are about to subdue Tombs. They
50:45
Speaker 1: knock him unconscious. They pull his exo suit pieces off
50:48
Speaker 1: of him before he can cause more damage. This is
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Speaker 1: really going to complicate your case, Adrian, says Mr Flippy Dippy,
50:57
Speaker 1: Matt says Walters. Uh, says Daredevil. Matt Murdock. Walters asks again,
51:05
Speaker 1: her temper flaring. We were just talking not five minutes ago.
51:09
Speaker 1: You think I wouldn't recognize your voice, Uh, says Daredevil.
51:15
Speaker 1: Are you even blind? Asks she Hulk. It's complicated, says Daredevil.
51:23
Speaker 1: She Hulks squares off. Oh, I'm sure I wouldn't know
51:25
Speaker 1: anything about complicated. Okay, Murdock, this is my case. I've
51:31
Speaker 1: decided it. You can head home. Daredevil gets up, he
51:35
Speaker 1: squares off. I don't think so, Walter's. If anything, we've
51:39
Speaker 1: seen how classifying Adrian as a supervillain is becoming a
51:42
Speaker 1: self fulfilling prophecy. I'll take this case, and thus we
51:47
Speaker 1: get an amazing she Hulk Daredevil brawl. Daredevil does a
51:51
Speaker 1: great job avoiding she Hulks swings, but despite his best efforts,
51:54
Speaker 1: he can't do much more than irritate she Hulk with
51:57
Speaker 1: his own attacks and it seems like it's just a
51:59
Speaker 1: matter of time before he's worn out of his flippy dippies. Plus,
52:03
Speaker 1: the two are adding to the general destruction in the
52:05
Speaker 1: courthouse until they hear stop in the name of the law.
52:10
Speaker 1: The two paws in mid brawl, and then they hear
52:13
Speaker 1: neither of you gets this case. And they look and
52:16
Speaker 1: in the dust cloud that their brawl has caused, they
52:19
Speaker 1: see a silhouetted figure. Why is that, asks she helps,
52:23
Speaker 1: squinting into the dust. Because he's not in your jurisdiction.
52:28
Speaker 1: Adrian Tombs, aka the Vulture, isn't in the m c U.
52:33
Speaker 1: He's a Sony Marvel character and as such, neither of
52:36
Speaker 1: you are legally allowed to represent him. That's why he
52:39
Speaker 1: needs an impartial lawyer, me Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law.
52:46
Speaker 1: And sure enough, stepping out of the dust is Harvey Birdman,
52:50
Speaker 1: the superhero turned attorney. Now, if you'll excuse me, and
52:54
Speaker 1: in a badly animated way, he walks to the unconscious
52:57
Speaker 1: form of Tombs, picks him up, and walks out of
52:59
Speaker 1: the courthouse. Huh, says Murdoch. Yeah, huh, says she Hulk
53:05
Speaker 1: as she transforms back into Jennifer so Um I want
53:10
Speaker 1: to get a drink, asked Murdoch. Yeah, I do, I
53:16
Speaker 1: really really do, says Walters. Well, let's let me get changed.
53:22
Speaker 1: There's a bar a couple of blocks from here, Mauie
53:25
Speaker 1: Bruce's Tiki lounge. See you there, says Murdoch. See me there,
53:30
Speaker 1: asked Walter's figure a speech, says Murdoch. And with that
53:34
Speaker 1: we pull out of the dusty courthouse and fade to
53:38
Speaker 1: black the end. That was brilliant, Jonathan. I loved it,
53:44
Speaker 1: loved it, and if you loved it too, I had
53:47
Speaker 1: to pull out another superhero lawyer. No, that was brilliant.
53:51
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53:56
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