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DIDDY SHOCK DEMAND: HIDE CASSIE V'S PREGNANT TUMMY FROM JURY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: A Diddy shock demand hide victim Cassie Venturra's pregnant tummy
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Speaker 2: from the jury.
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Speaker 1: Really, I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Cassie Ventira on the stand in the court of law
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Speaker 2: in the criminal trial of Shawn Comes aka Diddy.
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Speaker 1: And what is that I'm hearing?
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a death knell. Joining me from the
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Speaker 2: courthouse is Lauren Conlin.
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Speaker 1: In the courtroom throughout the day.
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Speaker 2: Lauren, First of all, let's just start chronologically to Cassie
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Speaker 2: Venturra to making the stand. They did a long laid
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Speaker 2: up to her to put her on the stand. Tell
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Speaker 2: me how was the jury responding to her testimony.
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Speaker 4: Cassie did get to the point where she discussed the
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Speaker 4: psychological abuse as well as the physical abuse that she
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Speaker 4: received from Diddy, and the jury was listening intently. And
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Speaker 4: it's also interesting because Sean Colmes seems to be pretty
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Speaker 4: stoic throughout this. Now one thing that also seems to
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Speaker 4: be present throughout her testimony is how much Cassie actually loved.
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Speaker 5: Him at one point.
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Speaker 4: So I believe that they are going to move on
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Speaker 4: and start really focusing on the abuse.
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Speaker 5: But so far it's been tough.
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Speaker 4: It's been hard for everybody, and Cassie herself had needed
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Speaker 4: some moments to wipe her nose, take some breaths. She
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Speaker 4: does appear very very sad and very very somber and
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Speaker 4: as you know, very pregnant.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's really interesting, Lauren Collin. One of the
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Speaker 2: first things that Sean comes is to million dollar defense
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Speaker 2: team did was demand that she be seated in the
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Speaker 2: witnessed seat before the jury came in so they could
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Speaker 2: not see her baby Billy.
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Speaker 1: What happened, Well.
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Speaker 4: They had been discussing this previously, about how pregnant she
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Speaker 4: looked and the fact that maybe the jury could feel
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Speaker 4: sympathy for her.
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Speaker 5: So yeah, she was brought in first, and then the
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Speaker 5: jury was brought.
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Speaker 2: In, you know, earlier this morning, just before they broke
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Speaker 2: for lunch, Cassie Ventura described how free costs actually became
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Speaker 2: a job lasting thirty six to forty eight hours, the
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Speaker 2: longest one lasting.
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Speaker 1: Up to four days.
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Speaker 2: No wonder the participants needed IV fluids after a free call.
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Speaker 2: I'm just curious to Lauren Collin joining us at the courthouse,
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Speaker 2: how was the jury responding?
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Speaker 4: What I will say is Cassie made a point to
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Speaker 4: say that when she wasn't making music, she was actually
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Speaker 4: having to quote recover.
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Speaker 5: From these freakoffs.
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Speaker 4: And again she did say these freak offs lasted between
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Speaker 4: one and four days, and it would take her an
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Speaker 4: equal amount of time to get her body recovered, to rehydrate,
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Speaker 4: to rest, to detox from these drugs.
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Speaker 5: It was really really sad to listen.
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Speaker 2: To joining us an all star panel to make sense
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Speaker 2: of what we are learning, also, Lauren Conlin, we are
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Speaker 2: learning that the defense made an argument to the jury
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Speaker 2: through their cross examination and in their opening statements that
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Speaker 2: the victims in this case were quote strong women that
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Speaker 2: had millions of reasons to stay in the relationship with
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Speaker 2: Sean Combs.
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Speaker 1: In other words, that is a peak and to what their.
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Speaker 2: Cross examination is going to be of Cassie Ventira trying
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Speaker 2: to state that she wanted to be in the relationship,
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Speaker 2: she was a willing participant in the relationship, and she
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Speaker 2: got a lot of money from Sean Combs. Do you
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Speaker 2: see that going anywhere? Do you recall that was part
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Speaker 2: of their opening statements.
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Speaker 4: Yes, it was part of their opening statements. They made
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Speaker 4: a point to say that these women are all in
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Speaker 4: control of their lives. The other Jane, she is a
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Speaker 4: single mom. They said, she makes decisions, you know, for
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Speaker 4: her children and for her family, so she could easily
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Speaker 4: get out of this relationship. But what I do think
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Speaker 4: was interesting, Nancy, is during Cassie's testimony, she said that
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Speaker 4: Seawann Holmes did pay for a number of her homes,
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Speaker 4: but she paid for a home, a home that she
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Speaker 4: had in Studio City, and she was killed that she
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Speaker 4: could finally pay for a home and she wasn't tethered
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Speaker 4: to Shawn Holmes. She had something of her own. So
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Speaker 4: I thought this was really interesting.
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Speaker 5: You know, it made us.
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Speaker 4: Realize that she wasn't heavily reliant on him. She did
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Speaker 4: want to separate from him. He was just making it
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Speaker 4: incredibly difficult to do.
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Speaker 2: So, guys, the argument is going to be made to
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Speaker 2: the jury not to believe Cassie Ventura now on the
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Speaker 2: stand throughout the afternoon, the jury listening intently.
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Speaker 1: To everything she has to say, and to you.
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Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner joining us also covering the case from the
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Speaker 2: very beginning Crime Stories investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: She made quite the impression.
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Speaker 2: When she walked into that courtroom, even though Sean Comes
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Speaker 2: had at one point demanded the jury not be exposed
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Speaker 2: to her pregnant stomach. Describe what she looked like, Sidney Fancy.
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Speaker 6: Today, Cassie's wearing a body con a tight turtleneck brown
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Speaker 6: dress to really show off that baby buck. So the
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Speaker 6: jury is very interested in her. Homes actually turned around
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Speaker 6: in his seat to watch her as she crossed the
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Speaker 6: room to the witness stand. Taffy is very obviously about
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Speaker 6: to pop. She's eight and a half months pregnant, so
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Speaker 6: that's very clear, especially in her outfit today.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of the attack on Cassie Venturo, who, as you
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Speaker 2: all know, this case wide open. A much of her
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Speaker 2: civil complaint at Sean Combs as a result of the
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Speaker 2: Cassie beat down video obtain from the Intercontinental Hotel, is
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Speaker 2: going to be mirrored in the criminal case. The defense
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Speaker 2: is going to turn that around, turn it on its ear,
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Speaker 2: and claim that Cassie Ventura is only in this because
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Speaker 2: she wants money. But remember, her civil case has already settled.
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Speaker 2: There's no money in this for her at this juncture.
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Speaker 2: That civil case is over and the defense is arguing
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Speaker 2: something very insidious.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 7: Garrigos also insists the women in the government claims Combs
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Speaker 7: exploited were absolutely they're willingly. Garigos says the women who
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Speaker 7: will take the stand against Combs were strong, capable and
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Speaker 7: in love with the men they now.
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Speaker 1: Call their abuser.
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Speaker 7: Garrigos points out that Cassie stayed for ten years. Garrigo says,
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Speaker 7: while everyone may agree that Combs was a bad boyfriend,
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Speaker 7: he did not force women to be with him. Garrigos
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Speaker 7: suggests that Comb's abusers have several million reasons to come
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Speaker 7: forward now, all of them money boyfriend.
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Speaker 2: I'm so glad they said that in opening statements. I'm
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Speaker 2: so glad that they reduced the state's case down and
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Speaker 2: everything these victims have to say to Shawncam's being.
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Speaker 1: A bad Oh, there it is again.
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Speaker 2: The defense actually said this is all about Shawn Come's
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Speaker 2: being a bad boyfriend. Well, a multi count federal indictment
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Speaker 2: says something very different. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining US psychoalyst
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Speaker 2: out of LA, author of deal Breakers. She's on Peacock
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Speaker 2: now and you can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 2: dot com. Doctor Bethany a bad boyfriend. That's certainly putting
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Speaker 2: perfume on the pig.
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Speaker 8: You know, Nancy, didn't they say an opening that there
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Speaker 8: was domestic violence, but that's not what he was on
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Speaker 8: trial for, and now they reduced it down to him
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Speaker 8: being a bad boyfriend. Of course, she was there for
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Speaker 8: ten years. On average, it takes a woman nine attempts
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Speaker 8: at leaving an abuser before she's finally able to get away.
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Speaker 8: And Nancy, in that riveting testimony today, she said Seawan
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Speaker 8: Colmes controlled every part of her life, not only making
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Speaker 8: her plan the part of the freak offs. He controlled
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Speaker 8: her look, her social life, who she could see, her
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Speaker 8: psychological well being. She was well trained to always worry
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Speaker 8: about what he thought about her. And she also said
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Speaker 8: he was highly critical. Imagine that she did everything for
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Speaker 8: him and he could do nothing but beat her and
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Speaker 8: criticize her. Hmm, that's not a bad boyfriend, that's worse.
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Speaker 2: Now joining us at the courthouse, Angelica Martinez Servina, Crime
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Speaker 2: online dot Com investigative reporter. You know, when Cassie Ventira
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Speaker 2: came into the courtroom, Angelica, all eyes on Cassie, including
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Speaker 2: Sean comes Now, when earlier witnesses were on the stand,
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Speaker 2: specifically the stripper, the sex worker, that he paid to
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Speaker 2: urinate and to cass his mouth, and she described how
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Speaker 2: she choked on it, actually choked, thought she was choking,
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Speaker 2: but was willing to do anything to keep Sean Combs
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Speaker 2: happy and to placate him and avoid a violent outburst,
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Speaker 2: opposed to the way he acted when a sex worker
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Speaker 2: came on the stand. This is rare for Combs. He
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Speaker 2: turned all the way in his chair. Grandpa turned around.
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Speaker 2: I'm surprised he doesn't have a motorized scooter because he's
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Speaker 2: let his hair go white. He's dressed up in a
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Speaker 2: turtlenet I mean a pullover sweater again and looking like
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Speaker 2: everybody's favorite grandpa.
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Speaker 1: But he turned around to watch her walk in the room.
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Speaker 2: Now he's given a lot of steely gazes at witnesses.
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Speaker 1: On the stand.
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Speaker 2: I'm very interested in the fact that he broke protocol
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Speaker 2: and watched her turned around and watched her walk in.
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Speaker 1: Along with the.
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Speaker 2: Jury Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Joining me is a special guest. It's Brett Brown joining
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Speaker 1: us out.
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Speaker 2: Of Lexington, Kentucky executive director SASS Surviving Assault Standing Strong.
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Speaker 1: Brett.
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Speaker 2: You heard doctor Bethany speaking earlier about the fact that
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Speaker 2: some of These women stayed in the relationship when they
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Speaker 2: could have, you know, from an outside looking in, have left.
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Speaker 2: That's what the defense is. This is not a sex
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Speaker 2: trafficking case. There was no sex trafficking. These women were
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Speaker 2: here willingly. You know, all the years nine years I
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Speaker 2: worked as a volunteer at the Batter Women's Center on
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Speaker 2: the hot lines, I understood the theory behind why women stay,
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Speaker 2: but I could never really grasp it here. Cassie Ventira
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Speaker 2: feared her whole career would go down the drains, down
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Speaker 2: the dragon, that Combs would destroy her or kill her
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Speaker 2: if she tried to leave.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, fear was a huge motivating factor in Casey's case.
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Speaker 10: That Cassie, excuse me.
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Speaker 1: And it is amazing.
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Speaker 9: To me that in the same sentence the defense will
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Speaker 9: describe Sean Combs as a violent drug user and then
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Speaker 9: say women were willing participants and wanted to stay in
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Speaker 9: the relationship, because drugs and violence do not a willing
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Speaker 9: participant make. If fear is in the room, consent is not.
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Speaker 9: And Cassie during that time was out of choices because
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Speaker 9: this was a man with seemingly unlimited power and willing
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Speaker 9: to use it to do whatever it takes to get
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Speaker 9: what he wants. I think if I really boiled this down.
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Speaker 9: The defense called Shawn Combs a complicated man.
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Speaker 1: He's not.
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Speaker 9: He is a vile, greedy abuser who is incredibly insecure,
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Speaker 9: and he should be because leaders have followers who want
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Speaker 9: to be there. He could not manage it. He uses force.
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Speaker 9: When he used force with Cassie, she saw him for
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Speaker 9: what he really is and he hated her for it.
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Speaker 9: And now we can see it too.
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Speaker 2: Also, there is corroboration, which every defense attorney hates. Corroboration
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Speaker 2: to what Cassie Ventura is telling the jury about the
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Speaker 2: beatings and the abuse she endured at the hands of
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Speaker 2: Shawn Comb's aka Diddy. There is a witness, and typically
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Speaker 2: this type of abuse happens behind closed doors, but Shawn
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Speaker 2: Combs had become so arrogant he allowed others to witness
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Speaker 2: the beating. Straight back out to Lauren Colin at the courthouse,
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Speaker 2: explain what we learned from Daniel Phillip.
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Speaker 4: He witnessed Seawan Colmes allegedly hit Cassie at one point,
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Speaker 4: drag her by the hair while she's kicking and screaming
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Speaker 4: and screaming, sorry, sorry, I'm sorry. And because of that,
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Speaker 4: because of what he witnessed, he actually shared, but he
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Speaker 4: was unable to perform sexually after that for the couple.
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Speaker 2: Also, we or learning from the evidence pouring from the witness.
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Speaker 1: Stand for those of you just joining US State's.
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Speaker 2: Witness, the star witness not chronologically states witness number one,
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Speaker 2: but definitely the premiere witness. Cassie Ventura on the stand
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Speaker 2: the entire day, heavily pregnant, although an original request that
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Speaker 2: the jury not see her walk in so they couldn't
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Speaker 2: see her pregnant stomach, that she be seated already when
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Speaker 2: the jury was brought in. We know where the defense
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Speaker 2: is coming from with that request, but we're learning a
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Speaker 2: lot from the testimony about what she endured, not just
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Speaker 2: the Cassie Ventira beat down video from the Intercontinental Hotel,
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Speaker 2: but more from a witness listen.
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Speaker 11: Even though Ventura did not want to participate in the
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Speaker 11: freak offs, she knew what refusal meant a brutal beating.
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Speaker 11: Ventura eventually learned to stop resisting and was even asked
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Speaker 11: to arrange some of the freak offs her. On top
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Speaker 11: of the threat of physical violence, Colms took it a
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Speaker 11: step further with a promise to release videos of the
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Speaker 11: encounters and publicly humiliate his girlfriend if she didn't keep
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Speaker 11: up with the performances. Ventura felt that if she wanted
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Speaker 11: to continue performing on stage, she also had to perform
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Speaker 11: in her boyfriend's hotel room.
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Speaker 2: Graphic testimony about a paid six worker being asked to
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Speaker 2: urinate into Cassy Ventura's mouth to doctor Bethany Marshall, what
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Speaker 2: is that?
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Speaker 1: Isn't there an.
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Speaker 2: Actual psychological reasoning, psychological motivation behind that type of request?
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Speaker 8: Yes, I think what p did he was allegedly trying
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Speaker 8: to do, was to humiliate her and force her into
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Speaker 8: submission by having another man have sex with her. One
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Speaker 8: of the terms we use as cuckholding, which means just
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Speaker 8: viewing your partner have sex with another individual. But he
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Speaker 8: orchestrated every aspect of their sexual encounter and would masturbate
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Speaker 8: during it, allegedly so he would tell the sex worker
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Speaker 8: whether he should come inside her, who should ejaculate on her,
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Speaker 8: whether to urinate. Is like he was a film director, Nancy,
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Speaker 8: and if he didn't please Shawn Didny Combs, if the
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Speaker 8: sex worker didn't, then he would become abusive towards Cassie
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Speaker 8: there's one report that Cassie said on the stand, actually
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Speaker 8: the sex worker did that. Sean Combs was upset at
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Speaker 8: her for her for her performance, so he took her
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Speaker 8: into another room and the sex worker could hear him
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Speaker 8: slapping Cassie. And it's at that point I believe that
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Speaker 8: the sex worker lost his ability to perform breaking.
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Speaker 2: Now the entire day Star witness Cassie Ventiro on the
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Speaker 2: stand and the States case against Seawn comes a multi
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Speaker 2: count federal AI indictment. You know, in the very beginning,
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Speaker 2: we heard the prosecutor state that there were two ditties
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Speaker 2: that he was very complicated. I don't find it complicated
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Speaker 2: at all, but there was a ditty persona that he
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Speaker 2: projected to the world and then the other ditty that
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Speaker 2: took part in heinous beatings and bizarre sex acts, forcing
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Speaker 2: women to take part in very demeaning and humiliating behavior.
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Speaker 2: Straight back to Lauren Colin standing by at the courthouse,
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Speaker 2: Lauren way In, we were subjected to the infamous Cassie video,
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Speaker 2: as was the jury, about three times.
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Speaker 4: At one point we had to watch it frame by frame.
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Speaker 4: It's more and more painful each time you watch it.
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Speaker 4: And Sean Colmes, he didn't flinch. He was stoic sitting
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Speaker 4: throughout all of that. Now, towards the end of the day,
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Speaker 4: when we heard the testimony of the male's ripper or
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Speaker 4: the male escort, it was incredibly graphic.
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Speaker 2: Now interesting, thanks Lauren. Interesting we heard the prosecutor laying
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Speaker 2: the foundation for this and her opening statement, Listen.
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Speaker 12: Johnson insists this trial is not about a celebrity's private
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Speaker 12: sexual preferences, but Combe's use of company resources to sexually
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Speaker 12: exploit women. Johnson says Cassie Ventura didn't know what she
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Speaker 12: was signing up for when Combe's first approached her about
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Speaker 12: his freak offs, but as she choked while an escort
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Speaker 12: urinated into her mouth at Combe's direction, she quickly determined
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Speaker 12: it was not something she wanted to participate in.
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Speaker 2: Again, every member of that jury is going to think
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Speaker 2: about Cassie Ventira choking on a sex worker's urine, and
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Speaker 2: they're looking at this beautiful lady on the stand, a
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Speaker 2: mother of three, now heavily pregnant about to give birth.
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Speaker 1: You know, it was so graphic.
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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, to Colin, is it true
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Speaker 2: that Shawn Combs's daughters got up and left the courtroom
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Speaker 2: during the testimony.
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Speaker 4: At one point, Dinny's daughters actually had to get up
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Speaker 4: and leave the courtroom.
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Speaker 5: And I don't blame them, and.
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Speaker 2: Don't blame them either, Lauren Colin straight out to special
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Speaker 2: guests joining us, Rob Shooter, host of Naughty but Nice podcast,
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Speaker 2: former publicists of Sean Combs, y'all to write a book
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Speaker 2: about that, But you're already the author of the four
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Speaker 2: word answer.
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Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about what the prosecutor said in the beginning
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Speaker 2: of the case. Now, of course, Cassie Vtture has been
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Speaker 2: on the stand all day, but Rob Shooter, she the prosecutor,
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Speaker 2: Emily Johnson stated that there were two Shawn Combs. The
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Speaker 2: one that beats people, leaving knots on their heads, dragging
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Speaker 2: them up and down halls, just performing all sorts of dominiate, demeaning.
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Speaker 1: And humiliating acts on the women. But then there's the other.
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Speaker 2: Sean comes the start, the celebrity who's charming and gregarious.
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Speaker 2: Did you see both sides of Coms? We need work
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Speaker 2: for him as a public relations person.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, didd he is a very very complicated person. He's
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Speaker 13: very much in control. He controls his own narrative. He
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Speaker 13: determines how he wants to be presented, he determines what
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Speaker 13: photographs he wants released of him. And so this is
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Speaker 13: a celebrity who's very aware of manipulating his public image.
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Speaker 13: He's do really really good job of convincing us that
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Speaker 13: he is somebody that now we know isn't the truth.
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Speaker 13: And so I think with didd he we all see
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Speaker 13: one side of him for over what two decades? Now
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Speaker 13: we think we know did he? He's that fun guy?
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Speaker 13: Look at him. Partying is out, he throws great events,
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Speaker 13: he's funny. We've seen him on talk shows where he's
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Speaker 13: been witty and charming.
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Speaker 5: Now we know that that isn't.
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Speaker 13: The truth that did he? Did he? Behind the scenes?
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Speaker 13: The truth about is much much more dog.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to circle back to you, but
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Speaker 2: you sparked a thought in my mind. Back out to
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Speaker 2: the courthouse with Lauren Collins standing by, is it true
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Speaker 2: that Shawon Corimbs actually took out a Bible in front
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Speaker 2: of the jury.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he appeared to be flipping through a Bible. At
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Speaker 4: one point. He gave a thumbs up to his kids,
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Speaker 4: waved and blue kisses at.
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Speaker 5: His mother and he yeah.
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Speaker 4: He sid seemed to calm down after that, and when
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Speaker 4: the jury walked in, I noticed that Diddy did not
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Speaker 4: take his eyes off of them.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't end there to Sydney Sumner also covering everything
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Speaker 2: happening in the court in Sidney Sumner. From what I understand,
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Speaker 2: the Shawnchbs family was in front of the courthouse praying
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Speaker 2: and reading the Bible before court.
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Speaker 6: Yes, Nancy, they were spotted in a circle holding hands
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Speaker 6: with their head ballot in prayer just before Cathy took
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Speaker 6: the stand. You know.
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Speaker 2: Eric Fattus, veteran trial lawyer joining me out of Colorado.
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Speaker 2: Founding partner Varner Fattus Legal, former felony prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: I'm all for.
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Speaker 2: Reading the Bible, and I am all for being close
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Speaker 2: to the Lord, but when it is used as a stunt,
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's one thing to ask forgiveness. Of course,
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Speaker 2: I'm certainly no biblical scholar, right, It's one thing to
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Speaker 2: ask for forgiveness, but it's another thing to ask for
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Speaker 2: our Holy Father to get our ass out of a
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Speaker 2: slang technical legal term, I mean it's a ploy, Fattest,
21:33
Speaker 2: a ploy, and I find that very off putting, very
21:39
Speaker 2: off putting. Not necessarily the family, because I can only
21:42
Speaker 2: imagine what comes as mother is going through. But I mean,
21:47
Speaker 2: in my mind, his family is innocent.
21:49
Speaker 1: You know, he's got those young girls and other children.
21:51
Speaker 2: But him the gall trying to use the Bible, the
21:56
Speaker 2: Holy Bible, as a problem.
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Speaker 10: This one seems hard for or even meets the financy.
22:01
Speaker 10: I mean, look in the courtroom, it appears so transparent
22:05
Speaker 10: what he's trying to do in terms of garnering sympathy.
22:08
Speaker 10: The thing is, he should be paying attention to the trial.
22:11
Speaker 10: He should be taking notes, he should be giving input
22:14
Speaker 10: to his counsel. He should be listening to the testimony
22:17
Speaker 10: and raising points with his attorneys that they can use
22:21
Speaker 10: to try to help it. Instead, he's sitting there kind
22:23
Speaker 10: of putting on this act with the Bible that everybody
22:26
Speaker 10: and their brother can see right through.
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, I'm curious about this.
22:30
Speaker 2: Brian Vus Gibbons is joining US Direct Operations USP, a
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Speaker 2: nationwide security leading a team of forensic investigators.
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Speaker 1: Brian, what the heart in my mind.
22:42
Speaker 2: Of this case is for the jury is proving not
22:46
Speaker 2: just that Sean Comb's beat and humiliated women and rape
22:50
Speaker 2: them but that he had a group of people around him.
22:55
Speaker 2: That's why there's a RICO count, right, Not just one
22:58
Speaker 2: person is involved in RICO. An enterprise, a criminal organization
23:02
Speaker 2: or enterprise. We think of it as being used to
23:05
Speaker 2: get the mob, right, but it can be used for
23:09
Speaker 2: gang activity or any time that you have a network
23:14
Speaker 2: facilitating criminal acts.
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Speaker 1: Right.
23:18
Speaker 2: This is not just about Seawn Combs being a bad boyfriend.
23:22
Speaker 2: This is about an enterprise, a group of people flying
23:26
Speaker 2: in sex workers, drugging women, facilitating videos of them being
23:33
Speaker 2: raped and soidomized while they're passed out. And where you
23:37
Speaker 2: come into this, Fitzgibbons, is the use of digital forensics
23:42
Speaker 2: like that intercontinental video, like phone evidence, so much more.
23:51
Speaker 2: How is a state going to prove that this is
23:55
Speaker 2: more than just Seawn Combs being a tyrant a bad boyfriend,
24:00
Speaker 2: to put it euphemistically, how do we.
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Speaker 1: Prove that forensically, Forsgibbons.
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Speaker 14: You're going to see as the days unfold here, Nancy,
24:08
Speaker 14: that you know, and when we think back to that
24:10
Speaker 14: raid just a few months ago, the amount of devices
24:16
Speaker 14: that we're seized will produce a tremendous amount of digital evidence.
24:21
Speaker 14: Not to mention what's going to be coming in from
24:24
Speaker 14: the witnesses the prosecution are going to bring out here
24:27
Speaker 14: that will provide a harrowing tale of Giddy's enterprise and
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Speaker 14: all of those who have been involved in the cover.
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Speaker 1: Up and its gibbons. I know that it's not as.
24:40
Speaker 2: Gosh, what's the right word sexy as some people would
24:44
Speaker 2: call it, as exciting and dramatic as putting a beautiful
24:47
Speaker 2: young mom like casiv Interiro on the stand. But all
24:52
Speaker 2: the victims in this case are going to be subjected
24:54
Speaker 2: to a searing cross examination such as how much did
24:58
Speaker 2: you make off that civil lawsuit against him?
25:00
Speaker 1: Did he pay for one, two, three, and four? For you?
25:02
Speaker 1: You stayed willingly.
25:03
Speaker 2: You could have left, couldn't you, But you didn't because
25:06
Speaker 2: you wanted to be there, and now you want to
25:08
Speaker 2: put him in jail.
25:09
Speaker 1: That's how that cross exam is going to go. So
25:12
Speaker 1: these victims are going to need.
25:14
Speaker 2: Corroboration, They're going to need digital in forensic corroboration. I'm
25:18
Speaker 2: hearing in my ear doctor Bethany Marshall. Won't see it,
25:21
Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, before you jump in. You're a philia. You're
25:25
Speaker 2: a philia. What is it?
25:28
Speaker 1: Well, it's a perversion.
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Speaker 8: It's in the DSM, and it is becoming aroused by
25:34
Speaker 8: the site, sound, or smell of urination.
25:38
Speaker 2: Okay, well, well wait, the sight, the sound, or the
25:43
Speaker 2: smell of urination.
25:45
Speaker 1: You can't just drop a bomb on me like.
25:47
Speaker 8: That, and perhaps sometimes even consuming it. Repeat, becoming aroused
25:52
Speaker 8: by the sight, sound, or smell of urination, and sometimes
25:57
Speaker 8: by consuming another person's urine.
25:59
Speaker 2: Okay, Fattest, you're the veteran defense attorney, so you're going
26:05
Speaker 2: to expect a jury to believe that cassi Ventura was
26:09
Speaker 2: sexually aroused by the sight, the sound, the smell, or
26:14
Speaker 2: even ingesting.
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Speaker 1: Piss.
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Speaker 10: You know, certainly some graphic and concerning testimony that's come forward.
26:24
Speaker 10: You know, I think the defense team is going to
26:26
Speaker 10: style this as people have different proclivities, they have different preferences,
26:30
Speaker 10: and even when you know, sometimes you have a partner
26:33
Speaker 10: and they might have a preference that you don't necessarily share,
26:35
Speaker 10: but you're willing to participate in it due to your
26:38
Speaker 10: love for them or for some other reason. And so
26:41
Speaker 10: I think the defense is going to say, hey, there's
26:43
Speaker 10: going to be some inflammatory evidence like this, and it's
26:46
Speaker 10: not for the faint of heart, but a bad boy
26:49
Speaker 10: lifestyle isn't the same thing as a criminal lifestyle. I
26:51
Speaker 10: think that's what defense could are.
26:57
Speaker 1: You hear that, faddest, you know what that is?
27:00
Speaker 2: Right?
27:02
Speaker 1: Good luck trying to argue that with a straight face.
27:06
Speaker 2: We are live at the courthouse bringing you the latest
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Speaker 2: in State versus. Sean Comes aka Didty aka Puff aka
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Speaker 2: Puffy aka Puff Daddy aka Love and it goes on
27:18
Speaker 2: straight out to Angelica Martinez Servina joining us at the courthouse,
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories investigative reporter and Jelica.
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Speaker 1: Tell me what's happening outside the courthouse, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: It's a very colorful scene outside of the courtroom. We've
27:30
Speaker 6: got a lot of people. We had reports that there
27:32
Speaker 6: were a lot of people lining up as early as yesterday,
27:35
Speaker 6: as soon as sports a smith so that they could
27:37
Speaker 6: get a spot in today.
27:39
Speaker 4: For today's court.
27:41
Speaker 6: There's a lot of different fansy face of borders of Diddy.
27:45
Speaker 6: We actually had a guy just right over there playing
27:48
Speaker 6: some of Biddy's best hits. We've got a guy right
27:51
Speaker 6: behind us proclaiming that Diddy is the devil. There's, you know,
27:54
Speaker 6: a lot of varying opinions in the courtroom, and again,
27:57
Speaker 6: a lot of big people excited to watch this. It's
28:00
Speaker 6: a huge trial. It's such a big moment in popular culture,
28:05
Speaker 6: you know, for this generation and whatnot. So there's a
28:08
Speaker 6: lot of people paying attention. There's a lot of eyes
28:09
Speaker 6: on the trial.
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Speaker 2: You know what, Angelica, I'm very worried that you're actually correct,
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall. Well, hear Angelica Martinez Servina at the
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Speaker 2: courthouse saying that this is a big moment in pop culture.
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Speaker 1: That's very disturbing. Yeah, remember what happened when Michael Jackson died.
28:27
Speaker 1: I any some kind of icon.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean these people with Michael Jackson, they rushed
28:33
Speaker 8: the hospital.
28:34
Speaker 1: In this case, they're going to rush the court. There
28:36
Speaker 1: are a lot of people who.
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Speaker 8: Are going to be very, very disappointed and upset if
28:40
Speaker 8: and when P Diddy goes to jail. But they have
28:42
Speaker 8: really identified their own success with him. These pop culture followers,
28:48
Speaker 8: these fanboys and fangirls, their happiness hinges on P Diddy.
28:54
Speaker 8: When he goes to jail, they they're going to be
28:57
Speaker 8: very dysporked, very sad. It's going to be a huge
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Speaker 8: ripple effect through society.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious.
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Speaker 2: Back to Rob Shooter joining us on PR guru four
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Speaker 2: Sean Combs.
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Speaker 1: We were talking earlier about the two sides of Sean Combs.
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Speaker 2: I think there are many more size and most of
29:13
Speaker 2: them are criminal, but that's just me. We see him
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Speaker 2: manipulating the jury in the way he is dressing.
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Speaker 1: I mean just curious.
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Speaker 2: Did you ever see Sean Combs wearing reading glasses?
29:27
Speaker 11: Never?
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Speaker 13: Not once. I never saw him without his hair being
29:31
Speaker 13: perfectly styled. I never saw him without a Maani, a
29:35
Speaker 13: Guccia Prada suits on. Let me tell you a little story.
29:39
Speaker 13: One so I was with Puffy flying on a private
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Speaker 13: plane and I had all the press there to see
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Speaker 13: his arrival, and Puff was really mad with me because
29:47
Speaker 13: he didn't want the press filming him arriving in his car.
29:51
Speaker 13: He wanted the airplane behind him. He thought that image
29:55
Speaker 13: would be better. The reason I tell you that story
29:57
Speaker 13: is those are the type of details that really mattered
30:01
Speaker 13: to him. So when you see him reading a Bible,
30:04
Speaker 13: when you see him with gray hair, when you see
30:06
Speaker 13: him staring at the jury, turning around to look at Cassie,
30:12
Speaker 13: none of that is by accident. All of that is planned.
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Speaker 13: Puffy plans his life like a movie, and he's the
30:19
Speaker 13: director and the star.
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Speaker 2: Wow, Shooter, it's trying to take in everything you're saying
30:26
Speaker 2: because this is critical.
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Speaker 1: This is critical to what's.
30:29
Speaker 2: Happening with the jury right now for those of you
30:33
Speaker 2: just joining us. Cassie Ventura, star witness for the state,
30:37
Speaker 2: who really crack this case wide open, has been on
30:40
Speaker 2: the stand all day heavily, heavily pregnant to you, Rob Shooter.
30:47
Speaker 2: I'm just curious about so many things that only you
30:50
Speaker 2: could explain for me.
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Speaker 1: I want to hear that again.
30:52
Speaker 2: So you arrange for the press to be at a
30:55
Speaker 2: particular moment when Seawan Colmbs was arriving by private jet.
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Speaker 1: Now what happened.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, the cameras were facing the terminal, so they were
31:04
Speaker 13: looking at the terminal, and as his car came down
31:07
Speaker 13: the runway practically the tarmac, we shot him. He went
31:12
Speaker 13: mad at me, telling me that a terminal is not sexy,
31:15
Speaker 13: a private plane is sexy. So we restaged his entrance,
31:20
Speaker 13: We flipped the press around, and they only shot him
31:23
Speaker 13: when his car pulled up to the steps of the plane.
31:26
Speaker 13: It sounds like a silly little detail, but these are
31:29
Speaker 13: the silly little details. Did He has spent twenty years
31:34
Speaker 13: obsessing about He's aware that that jury, that those twelve
31:38
Speaker 13: people are watching him, and he has a narrative, a
31:41
Speaker 13: story that he's going to tell them.
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Speaker 2: You know, yesterday I was told, no way would Sean
31:46
Speaker 2: Colmbs have a stylist.
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Speaker 5: B s.
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Speaker 1: He's got a stylist, he's got a jury consultant.
31:53
Speaker 2: He's got a fleet of highly paid lawyers to the
31:55
Speaker 2: tune of tin million dollars. So is there any chance
32:03
Speaker 2: in h e double l that Sean comes His outfits
32:08
Speaker 2: are not carefully orchestrated.
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Speaker 5: No chance.
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Speaker 13: He will have looked over look books. He will have
32:13
Speaker 13: had conversations whether or not he should be wearing his
32:16
Speaker 13: own fashion line. He has a fashion line called Sean John.
32:19
Speaker 13: They decided against this, And so I've never seen him
32:23
Speaker 13: in a button down white shirt and a sweater at
32:27
Speaker 13: a jumper. That just isn't how he dresses. But that's
32:30
Speaker 13: how he's going to dress for the next couple of
32:33
Speaker 13: weeks because he wants that jewelry to think of him
32:37
Speaker 13: as mister Rogers, the neighbor next door, the guy they
32:40
Speaker 13: can trust. That's what he wants them to think, and
32:43
Speaker 13: that's what he's selling.
32:45
Speaker 5: And I got to admit it.
32:46
Speaker 13: Nancy I'm not happy about this, but I think he's
32:49
Speaker 13: doing a pretty good job at selling this side of him.
32:53
Speaker 2: Wash your filthy mouth out with soap you brought up,
32:58
Speaker 2: mister Rogers. Let me ask you, in all the time
33:03
Speaker 2: that you worked for Sean Comes, did you ever see
33:09
Speaker 2: him read the Bible?
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Speaker 8: Never?
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Speaker 5: Not once.
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Speaker 13: I didn't see him quote the Bible talk about the Bible.
33:17
Speaker 13: There was only one God in did his world, and
33:20
Speaker 13: that was did he did. He was the king, he
33:23
Speaker 13: was God, he was in charge. I think he has
33:25
Speaker 13: a complex about feeling that he is God like. I
33:29
Speaker 13: remember one sort of photo shoot where he demanded a
33:32
Speaker 13: crown be brought out and put on his head so
33:34
Speaker 13: he could play king for the day. He's been playing
33:38
Speaker 13: these roles for the last twenty years, and it must
33:40
Speaker 13: be very difficult for him now. But he's not giving up.
33:44
Speaker 13: He's still playing Nancy. He's still playing the roles he
33:48
Speaker 13: knows how to manipulate, and even from that share where
33:52
Speaker 13: he's in a lot of trouble, he's still playing.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
34:07
Speaker 2: We are live at the courthouse in State versus Sean Comes,
34:11
Speaker 2: a date many people thought would never come straight out
34:15
Speaker 2: to Sidney Sumner Crime Story's investigative reporter who's been on
34:18
Speaker 2: the case from the beginning and has been analyzing Cassie
34:21
Speaker 2: Ventira's testimony throughout the day, Sidney the high points of
34:26
Speaker 2: Cassie Ventira's testimony, explained.
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Speaker 6: Nancay, I think the high point of Cassie's testimony thus
34:32
Speaker 6: far is that Dinny was in control of many aspects
34:37
Speaker 6: of her life. So she meets comes at just nineteen
34:41
Speaker 6: years old. Their relationship begins when she's just about twenty one,
34:45
Speaker 6: and she talks about not even wanting to kiss Sean Combs.
34:50
Speaker 6: So the first time that they shared a kiss, they
34:53
Speaker 6: weren't a couple at this point. The first time he
34:55
Speaker 6: showed romantic interest in her was at her twenty first
34:58
Speaker 6: birthday party in Last Vegas, and Kathy admits that the
35:02
Speaker 6: kids left her feeling extremely confused. She ran from her
35:06
Speaker 6: party in tears, not sure what to do with that
35:09
Speaker 6: as a new artist in the industry. So their relationship
35:13
Speaker 6: starting on that point and going from there, cong just
35:17
Speaker 6: continued to take more and more control of her life,
35:20
Speaker 6: and he was always there. Like she didn't pick up
35:23
Speaker 6: the phone, he would call her over and over until
35:26
Speaker 6: she did, or he would send security guards to come
35:30
Speaker 6: find her. So, on top of the freak offs, which
35:33
Speaker 6: seems to be just a segment of their relationship, e
35:37
Speaker 6: cou worced her into anything. In everything, she didn't feel
35:41
Speaker 6: like she had an ability to say no to Comb's,
35:45
Speaker 6: especially with the violence. In the threats of releasing these videos,
35:50
Speaker 6: Ventura talks about keeping broken iPhones and broken laptops and
35:55
Speaker 6: things of that nature because she was so worried about
35:58
Speaker 6: what was on them if anyone was to get their
36:01
Speaker 6: hands on them.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of a laptop incident earlier on we heard from
36:08
Speaker 2: witness Philip Listen.
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Speaker 15: Philip describes one evening where Ventura was at the computer
36:13
Speaker 15: during a break in sex. Colms yelled for his girlfriend
36:16
Speaker 15: to come to him, and when she did not, Colmbs
36:19
Speaker 15: threw a bottle of liquoric Cassie that shattered against the
36:22
Speaker 15: wall after missing her head by inches, Philip says. Colmbs
36:26
Speaker 15: then dragged Ventura to another room and he overheard what
36:29
Speaker 15: sounded like a smack, then Combs saying when I tell
36:33
Speaker 15: you to come here, you come here now.
36:35
Speaker 1: Not later.
36:36
Speaker 15: Moments later, the couple re emerged and Colmbs demanded they resume.
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Speaker 2: Joining us is Rob Shooter, publicist for Seawan Combs, Rob
36:45
Speaker 2: thank you for being with us, also star of Naughty
36:47
Speaker 2: but Nice podcast and.
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Speaker 1: Author of the foreword answer.
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Speaker 2: You have a particular insight into another relationship, if it
36:57
Speaker 2: could be called that of Combs, which seated Cassie Venturit
37:02
Speaker 2: is basically a blueprint second for her, same as the first,
37:05
Speaker 2: and that would be.
37:06
Speaker 1: Kim Porter, the mother of his children.
37:10
Speaker 2: Now did Rob Shooter describe Comb's His relationship with miss Porter.
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Speaker 13: Puff's relationship with Kim was very much the same relationship
37:23
Speaker 13: he had with Cassie. In fact, some people called Cassie
37:27
Speaker 13: Kim two point over. They had seen this method, they
37:32
Speaker 13: had seen this relationship, they had seen this grooming, and
37:36
Speaker 13: so Kim was shy bef what she was told was
37:40
Speaker 13: very much on his arm. He didn't like her to
37:42
Speaker 13: talk very much. He picked the clothes that he would wear,
37:45
Speaker 13: He would decide the events that she would go to.
37:48
Speaker 13: Cassie seems to be doing that too, or have done
37:52
Speaker 13: that too. The difference, though, is that Kim didn't want
37:55
Speaker 13: to be a recording artist. Cassie really did to bake
38:01
Speaker 13: it brig in show business. She wanted to record songs,
38:05
Speaker 13: and so my heart breaks for her because she was
38:08
Speaker 13: not only in debt to Diddy in her personal life,
38:12
Speaker 13: but also her professional life, which must be made impossible,
38:18
Speaker 13: almost impossible for her to get away from it.
38:20
Speaker 1: Special guests joining me.
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Speaker 2: Brett Brown, executive director, s ASS Surviving Assault, Standing Strong.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's the same old thing.
38:32
Speaker 2: Lawyers coercing women to have sex with them in their
38:37
Speaker 2: office so the lawyer would work on a domestic abuse
38:42
Speaker 2: case or finish a divorce case. Bosses forcing coercing their assistant,
38:50
Speaker 2: their secretary, underlings to engage in sex. We've seen it all, Weinstein,
38:56
Speaker 2: for Pete's sake, perfect example.
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Speaker 1: It's not a new story.
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Speaker 2: And to try to explain why women stay, I mean,
39:04
Speaker 2: when a woman's faced with losing her home, losing her career,
39:10
Speaker 2: maybe losing her children, being blackballed in the industry, what
39:16
Speaker 2: would you do?
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Speaker 1: What would you not do to ensure those things don't happen?
39:22
Speaker 1: What about it? Brett?
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Speaker 9: Well, I think it's everything that you just said. The
39:26
Speaker 9: part that we're kind of missing is the.
39:27
Speaker 5: Beginning and the end.
39:28
Speaker 9: You know, these women they want to be seen and
39:31
Speaker 9: they want to be respected, and they want to achieve,
39:34
Speaker 9: and those desires get used against them in this power imbalance.
39:38
Speaker 9: And so whether we're talking about Harvey Weinstein or we're
39:41
Speaker 9: talking about Sean Comb's, the recipe is still the same.
39:44
Speaker 9: And once they're on the hook with these powerful men,
39:47
Speaker 9: then become you enters. The threats and the violence and
39:51
Speaker 9: the force and so fear and financial insecurity and so
39:56
Speaker 9: many other things start to play in. And so it's
39:58
Speaker 9: not a matter of if I keep going so I
40:00
Speaker 9: and get something. These women have to stay in this
40:02
Speaker 9: situation in order to stay alive. And it's interesting to
40:06
Speaker 9: me because Sean comes, like any abuser, has spent an
40:10
Speaker 9: enormous amount of time on his reputation and on his
40:12
Speaker 9: look to make sure that he seems like the fun
40:15
Speaker 9: guy next door. And here is this predator sitting in
40:18
Speaker 9: a courtroom with a Bible. And I just wanted to
40:20
Speaker 9: say that even Satan quoted scripture in the Bible and
40:24
Speaker 9: at the end of the day he was still the devil.
40:26
Speaker 2: Ooh, I'm totally stealing that. Wow, that was powerful. And
40:31
Speaker 2: you're right, guys, why would Cassie.
40:35
Speaker 1: Stay in the relationship.
40:36
Speaker 2: You're going to hear a lot about that on cross
40:38
Speaker 2: examination of Cassie Ventura now eight and a half months
40:42
Speaker 2: pregnant on the stand, what will happen on Cross? At
40:48
Speaker 2: the end of her cross there will probably be a rebuttal,
40:52
Speaker 2: a re direct examination.
40:55
Speaker 1: But we know this.
40:58
Speaker 2: We know State's witness Annuel Philip begged her to leave
41:03
Speaker 2: Shawn Combs, but she was afraid. It's not just her
41:07
Speaker 2: saying it him too.
41:09
Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 11: Philip says he didn't call the police after witnessing the
41:12
Speaker 11: violence from Combs because he felt Combs had unlimited power
41:15
Speaker 11: and that his life would be in danger if he
41:17
Speaker 11: did so. Philip explains that he continued working for the
41:20
Speaker 11: couple so that he could at least check on Ventura.
41:22
Speaker 11: Philip says after witnessing several more violent incidents, he tried
41:26
Speaker 11: to get Cassie to explain why she was still with
41:28
Speaker 11: Combs and convinced her to leave, but Ventura refused to discuss.
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Speaker 1: It with him throughout the day.
41:34
Speaker 2: Cassie Venturro State star witness, has been on the stand
41:38
Speaker 2: to Rob Cheter, longtime publicists for Shawn Combs.
41:43
Speaker 1: What's so scary? Rob Sheeter?
41:46
Speaker 2: Based on everything you've told me, it worked, Shawn Combs mechinations.
41:52
Speaker 2: His improv puts out a particular image and the public
41:58
Speaker 2: bought it hook line and sinker, and why shouldn't they
42:02
Speaker 2: They didn't know any different.
42:04
Speaker 1: Can it work in a court of law?
42:06
Speaker 13: I am frightened to say, not only can it work,
42:12
Speaker 13: but safe to stake. I think it is going to work.
42:16
Speaker 13: I predict here that Diddy is going to get off
42:20
Speaker 13: a day that he's going to whip at least one
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Speaker 13: or two people in that jury into a frenzy believing
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Speaker 13: that he's a good guy, that he might he might
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Speaker 13: be into kinky sex, he might be into relationships that
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Speaker 13: we find perverse. But this was all legal, So I
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Speaker 13: don't want to say this not but I predicted not
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Speaker 13: only could work, I think it's going.
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Speaker 2: To We remember an American hero Deputy Sheriff Dan Thomas Glaize,
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Speaker 2: junior russ County Sheriff's Wisconsin, shot and killed in the
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Speaker 2: line of duty, survived by grieving why and high school
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Speaker 2: sweetheart Sarah Children Kendall Levi Eleiana, who was just five
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Speaker 2: months old when she lost her dad. American hero Deputy
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Speaker 2: Sheriff Dan Thomas Glaze Junior Nancy Gray signing off goodbye
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Speaker 2: friend