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Murder In Moscow: The Murder Scene At 1122 King Road And The Latent Footprint Found At The Scene · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. As
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  Speaker 1: we're all aware, the police have raided Brian Koberger's apartment
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  Speaker 1: and they took a bunch of items from that apartment. However,
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  Speaker 1: according to several experts, the haul that they took from
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  Speaker 1: his apartment wasn't that big. And they were expecting, meaning
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  Speaker 1: these experts, Jennifer Kofendaffer particularly, was expecting there to be
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  Speaker 1: more taken from Brian Koberger's apartment. Now, I've said from
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  Speaker 1: the very beginning that I don't expect them to ever
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  Speaker 1: recover any of that evidence. Not the knife, not the
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  Speaker 1: clothes he was wearing, and not the shoes that allegedly
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  Speaker 1: left a latent print at the scene of the crime.
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  Speaker 1: And furthermore, with those shoes, we're talking about vans here, folks.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a college kid in the whole entire country
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  Speaker 1: who doesn't have a pair of vans? And we already
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  Speaker 1: know that the roommates wore vans as well. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how strong of evidence this latent footprint would
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  Speaker 1: even be. Considering it could have been, insert person here, right? What,
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  Speaker 1: the alleged killer is the only person who's wearing Vans?
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  Speaker 1: But the fact that they didn't find the shoes does
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  Speaker 1: not shock me at all. In fact, I'll take it
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  Speaker 1: a step further. I don't think anything they took from
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  Speaker 1: that house is going to come back with any kind
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  Speaker 1: of evidence, really. I highly doubt that those stains on
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  Speaker 1: the pillows and the blanket were blood, I think that
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger's big issue is going to be that vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: He got in that vehicle directly after those murders, allegedly.
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  Speaker 1: And if he did that, then there has to be
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  Speaker 1: DNA all over that vehicle. You can't clean it good
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  Speaker 1: enough to get that DNA off of it. Even if
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  Speaker 1: he was wearing like a Tyvek suit and took all
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  Speaker 1: of the precautionary measures that you need to take, there's
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  Speaker 1: still going to be, at the very least, trace amounts
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  Speaker 1: of DNA that you're dragging into that car. So, it's
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  Speaker 1: my opinion that the evidence that they're going to get
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  Speaker 1: from that car is going to be the strongest evidence
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  Speaker 1: they get as far as DNA from a search warrant.
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  Speaker 1: Because I don't think they're going to get much from
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  Speaker 1: his house as far as evidence-wise, we saw what they took.
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  Speaker 2: There was no knife there, no weapon, no shoes, no clothes, really.
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  Speaker 1: So... What did they really get from that apartment? Well,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know. Maybe a treasure.
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  Speaker 2: Trove as far as digital evidence.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm guessing, and remember folks, this is just my guess,
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  Speaker 1: that those tests are going to come back and I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be that home run proof
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  Speaker 1: that everybody's looking for. However, I do believe that that
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  Speaker 1: car will be that home run evidence. So let's get
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  Speaker 1: to this article from Newsweek and let's see what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: Headline.
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  Speaker 1: Clue in Idaho murder case leaves question about Brian Koberger evidence.
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  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Matthew Impelli. One aspect of
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  Speaker 1: the Idaho murders case has left questions surrounding the evidence
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  Speaker 1: recovered from suspect Brian Koberger's apartment near Washington State University.
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  Speaker 1: In the probable cause affidavit used in the arrest of Koberger,
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  Speaker 1: who is currently charged with four counts of first-degree murder
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  Speaker 1: and one count of felony burglary, investigators stated that during
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  Speaker 1: the processing of the crime scene, investigators found a latent
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  Speaker 1: shoe print and sounds damning, right? Until we realized that
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  Speaker 1: the whole entire scene was basically contaminated. So that's something
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  Speaker 1: we have to keep in mind as well. I know
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  Speaker 1: that we've forgotten about that part, but when the police
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  Speaker 1: showed up there, that there was a house full of
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  Speaker 1: people and who knows what they were traipsing through in
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  Speaker 1: that house. And if you're a defense attorney, you can
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  Speaker 1: have a field day with that. And my guess is
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be one of their strategies. That the
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  Speaker 1: crime scene wasn't secured properly, that there was hours and
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  Speaker 1: hours that went by after these murders before the cops
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  Speaker 1: or forensics were there. It could have been anybody. And
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  Speaker 1: the crime scene was contaminated.
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  Speaker 2: Wait and see.
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  Speaker 1: That's going to be a line of argument from the defense.
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  Speaker 1: And honestly, it should be. According to the affidavit, the
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  Speaker 1: shoe print found had a diamond-shaped pattern similar to a
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  Speaker 1: van-style shoe. The print was detected by using a presumptive
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  Speaker 1: blood test and then amino black, a protein stain that
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  Speaker 1: detects the presence of cellular material. The affidavit said, Despite
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  Speaker 1: the discovery of a shoe print at the crime scene,
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  Speaker 1: the unsealed search warrant of Koberger's apartment did not say
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  Speaker 1: that investigators recovered a shoe that matched the description of
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  Speaker 1: the print. Now, let's not act like he had a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of plutonium that he had to get rid of.
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  Speaker 1: It's not very difficult to get rid of a pair
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  Speaker 1: of shoes, quick fire, throw them in there, and you're
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  Speaker 1: done with it. The knife is a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: difficult because you're not going to be able to burn
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  Speaker 1: that down. You've got to look for a body of water,
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  Speaker 1: someplace where nobody's ever going to find that.
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  Speaker 2: But your clothes, your.
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  Speaker 1: Shoes, all of that stuff, all you have to do
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  Speaker 1: is have a burn pit, get yourself a nice little
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  Speaker 1: burn pit going, and.
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  Speaker 2: The rest is history.
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  Speaker 1: And that's my working hypothesis, that Brian Koberger, when he
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  Speaker 1: went through that Lewis and Clark Valley, if Brian Koberger
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  Speaker 1: is the man they told us he was, I think
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  Speaker 1: that detour was specifically taken to burn up.
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  Speaker 2: This evidence and get rid of that knife.
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  Speaker 1: In the early morning hours of November 13th, four University
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  Speaker 1: of Idaho students, Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin, and
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  Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodal, were stabbed to death in an off-campus residence
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  Speaker 1: in Moscow, Idaho. Koberger, 28, was arrested on December 30th
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  Speaker 1: at his parents' residence in Albrightville, Pennsylvania, in connection to
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  Speaker 1: the brutal slayings. Koberger was a Ph.D. student at Washington
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  Speaker 1: State University studying criminology with his former attorney in Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 1: saying that his client was eager to be exonerated. Shortly
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  Speaker 1: after the probable cause affidavit was released, Michael Ruiz, a
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  Speaker 1: reporter for Fox News Digital, wrote on Twitter that some
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  Speaker 1: social media users have pointed out that the Vans type
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  Speaker 1: shoe in question is popular and was previously seen in
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  Speaker 1: the home where the murders were committed on police body
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  Speaker 1: cam footage of past noise complaints. And this is what
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, I'm legitimately wearing a pair of Vans
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  Speaker 1: right now. It is a very common shoe especially amongst
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  Speaker 1: college kids. So I don't know how strong this evidence
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  Speaker 1: is going to be for the prosecution. The defense can
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  Speaker 1: easily challenge it by pointing to that body cam footage
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  Speaker 1: and saying, look, you can see for yourself that people
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  Speaker 1: in this house were wearing those vans. Now, obviously, you
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  Speaker 1: can look at the shoe size and see what's what.
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  Speaker 1: But still, that doesn't account for anybody else who might
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  Speaker 1: have been at the house. Remember, the crime scene wasn't
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  Speaker 1: secured for hours and hours and hours. So that's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a point of contention come trial time.
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  Speaker 2: Wait and see.
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  Speaker 1: Vans are a common sneaker, and as readers have pointed out,
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  Speaker 1: they've been worn inside the Idaho student's house before. That said,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know yet what size print police found or
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  Speaker 1: what they recovered after Kohlberger's arrest. Ruiz tweeted early last month,
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  Speaker 1: I will say this, we don't know what was recovered
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  Speaker 1: from Brian Kohlberger's parents' house. Maybe he had the vans there.
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  Speaker 1: That would be a dumbass move, but so is using
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  Speaker 1: your own car to commit these crimes. While speaking with
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  Speaker 1: Newsweek on Friday, former FBI agent Jennifer Kofendaffer, who was
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  Speaker 1: not involved in the case, said that the return from
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  Speaker 1: the search warrant of Koberger's apartment was weak. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's why we don't see it on the search warrant return,
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  Speaker 1: Kofendaffer told Newsweek, because he likely had it with him.
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  Speaker 1: The shoes could have been terribly stained with blood In
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  Speaker 1: other words, he might have, very possibly, gotten rid of
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  Speaker 1: it with the rest of the clothing he wore. The knife,
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  Speaker 1: the mask. That's what a prudent criminal would do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no shit.
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  Speaker 1: And what else would he be going to the Lewis
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  Speaker 1: and Clark Valley for at that time of night? Or
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  Speaker 1: in the morning, I should say. Certainly not for a hike.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't going out there for a little joyous walk
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  Speaker 1: in the woods. So there had to be a reason
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  Speaker 1: he took that route. And for me, the only logical
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  Speaker 1: explanation is that he was doing that to get rid
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  Speaker 1: of that evidence in a place where he knew nobody
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  Speaker 1: was going to be hanging out. Meanwhile, investigators have also
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  Speaker 1: been unable to recover the knife that was believed to
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  Speaker 1: be used in the crime from Koberger's apartment. Despite the
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  Speaker 1: lack of the shoe that matches the description in the
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  Speaker 1: probable cause affidavit, Coffin Daffer added that prosecutors will still
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  Speaker 1: be able to build a case against Koberger using other
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  Speaker 1: evidence such as DNA, digital forensics, and cellular information.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're fine without it. Would they love to
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  Speaker 2: have it? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not going to break their case, she said. No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it will either. But you want to
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  Speaker 1: have all of that evidence.
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  Speaker 2: She's not wrong. You want to have the murder weapon.
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  Speaker 1: If you can have some shoes that the print came from,
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  Speaker 1: the latent shoe print, you want to have that as well.
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  Speaker 1: And without it, certainly a more difficult task for the prosecutors.
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  Speaker 1: But we don't know. I know I keep saying this,
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  Speaker 1: but we don't know what they have behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 1: And if history is a guide, the probable cause affidavit
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  Speaker 1: was just the tip of the iceberg. And in my
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  Speaker 1: experience covering these kinds of cases, there's usually a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot more lurking right below the surface. And we're going
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  Speaker 1: to see all of it come trial time, obviously. But
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  Speaker 1: for now, I would expect both sides to continue to
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  Speaker 1: play things close to the vest. We've already heard from
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger's team that as of now, they don't have
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  Speaker 1: any evidence that they're going to provide that supports the
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  Speaker 1: claim of Brian Koberger being innocent. But I think that's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of cat and mouse as well. So you're
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  Speaker 1: going to see it from both sides. The question is,
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  Speaker 1: when the rubber meets the road, is the evidence going
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  Speaker 1: to stick? All right, folks, that's going to do it
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  Speaker 1: for this one. All of the information that goes with
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