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Amazing Digital Circus in Cinemas and Why Creators Are Rewriting the Rules of the Entertainment Industry · Kids Media Club Podcast

• 0:05
  Hello
• 0:05
  and
• 0:06
  welcome
• 0:06
  to
• 0:06
  another
• 0:07
  episode
• 0:07
  of
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  the
• 0:07
  Kids
• 0:08
  Media
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  Club
• 0:08
  podcast.
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  We're
• 0:09
  all
• 0:09
  back,
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  all
• 0:10
  three
• 0:11
  of
• 0:11
  us
• 0:11
  together.
• 0:11
  After
• 0:12
  a
• 0:12
  short
• 0:12
  break,
• 0:14
  the
• 0:14
  band
• 0:14
  is.
• 0:14
  Back
• 0:15
  together
• 0:15
  for
• 0:15
  sure.
• 0:16
  But
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  someone
• 0:16
  has
• 0:16
  a
• 0:16
  new
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  job.
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  Joe.
• 0:19
  Yes.
• 0:19
  You
• 0:19
  can
• 0:19
  see
• 0:20
  my
• 0:20
  background
• 0:20
  is
• 0:21
  different.
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  Not
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  at
• 0:22
  home.
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  I'm
• 0:22
  in
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  the
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  office
• 0:23
  in
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  central
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  London
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  today.
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  First
• 0:25
  week
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  in
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  the
• 0:25
  office,
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  meeting
• 0:26
  everybody.
• 0:26
  Lots
• 0:27
  of
• 0:27
  one
• 0:27
  to
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  ones
• 0:28
  and
• 0:28
  listening
• 0:28
  and
• 0:29
  processes.
• 0:29
  You
• 0:29
  know,
• 0:30
  the,
• 0:30
  you
• 0:30
  know,
• 0:30
  the
• 0:31
  thing.
• 0:31
  Yeah.
• 0:32
  So
• 0:32
  it's
• 0:33
  cooler
• 0:33
  by.
• 0:34
  Cooler
• 0:34
  by.
• 0:35
  Yes.
• 0:35
  SVP
• 0:36
  of
• 0:36
  digital.
• 0:37
  Amazing.
• 0:38
  But
• 0:38
  yeah,
• 0:39
  really
• 0:39
  exciting.
• 0:40
  It
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  was
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  an
• 0:40
  opportunity
• 0:41
  that
• 0:41
  was
• 0:41
  too
• 0:42
  good
• 0:42
  to
• 0:42
  pass
• 0:43
  up.
• 0:43
  Not
• 0:43
  least
• 0:44
  because,
• 0:44
  I
• 0:45
  mean,
• 0:45
  Kulabaya's
• 0:46
  got
• 0:46
  a
• 0:46
  whole
• 0:46
  portfolio
• 0:47
  of
• 0:47
  IP
• 0:47
  that
• 0:48
  I
• 0:48
  kind
• 0:48
  of
• 0:49
  want
• 0:49
  to
• 0:49
  get
• 0:49
  my
• 0:49
  hands
• 0:49
  on.
• 0:50
  It's
• 0:50
  a
• 0:50
  nice
• 0:50
  sandbox
• 0:51
  to
• 0:51
  play
• 0:51
  in.
• 0:51
  But
• 0:51
  of
• 0:51
  course,
• 0:52
  Warrior
• 0:52
  Cats,
• 0:52
  which
• 0:53
  is
• 0:54
  a
• 0:54
  huge
• 0:55
  IP,
• 0:56
  started
• 0:57
  off
• 0:57
  as
• 0:57
  a
• 0:57
  book
• 0:57
  property.
• 0:58
  74
• 0:59
  books
• 0:59
  in
• 0:59
  I
• 0:59
  think
• 1:00
  74.
• 1:01
  Been
• 1:02
  around
• 1:02
  a
• 1:02
  couple
• 1:02
  of
• 1:03
  decades
• 1:03
  and
• 1:03
  has
• 1:04
  this
• 1:04
  voracious
• 1:05
  hungry
• 1:05
  fandom.
• 1:06
  Very
• 1:06
  successful
• 1:09
  developer
• 1:09
  originated
• 1:10
  game
• 1:10
  which
• 1:11
  Coolerbuy
• 1:12
  then
• 1:12
  partnered
• 1:12
  with
• 1:13
  the
• 1:13
  developers
• 1:14
  of
• 1:14
  the
• 1:14
  game
• 1:14
  on
• 1:14
  Roblox,
• 1:15
  which
• 1:15
  is
• 1:15
  at
• 1:15
  730
• 1:16
  million
• 1:17
  visits.
• 1:18
  Animation
• 1:19
  being
• 1:19
  made
• 1:19
  with
• 1:19
  Tencent.
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  So
• 1:21
  it
• 1:21
  feels
• 1:22
  like
• 1:22
  an
• 1:22
  exciting
• 1:23
  time
• 1:23
  to
• 1:23
  be
• 1:24
  hopping
• 1:24
  onto
• 1:25
  that
• 1:25
  particular
• 1:25
  train.
• 1:26
  So.
• 1:26
  Yeah,
• 1:27
  but
• 1:27
  nothing's
• 1:27
  going
• 1:28
  to
• 1:28
  change.
• 1:29
  Thankfully
• 1:29
  they
• 1:30
  were,
• 1:31
  they
• 1:31
  were
• 1:31
  very
• 1:31
  amenable
• 1:32
  to
• 1:32
  me
• 1:32
  continuing
• 1:33
  with
• 1:33
  our
• 1:33
  podcast.
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  People
• 1:35
  seem
• 1:36
  to
• 1:36
  like
• 1:36
  our
• 1:36
  podcast.
• 1:37
  Who'd
• 1:37
  have
• 1:37
  thunk
• 1:37
  it?
• 1:38
  Oh
• 1:38
  yeah,
• 1:39
  that's
• 1:39
  awesome.
• 1:40
  Well,
• 1:40
  listen,
• 1:40
  I
• 1:40
  think
• 1:40
  it's
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  such
• 1:41
  a
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  great
• 1:41
  role
• 1:41
  for
• 1:41
  you.
• 1:42
  Like
• 1:42
  Warrior
• 1:43
  Cats,
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  like
• 1:43
  what?
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  I
• 1:44
  think
• 1:44
  I've
• 1:44
  heard
• 1:44
  it
• 1:45
  described
• 1:45
  as
• 1:45
  Game
• 1:45
  of
• 1:45
  Thrones
• 1:46
  meets
• 1:46
  cats.
• 1:47
  Yes.
• 1:48
  Succession
• 1:48
  with
• 1:49
  cats.
• 1:49
  Yes.
• 1:49
  There's
• 1:50
  been
• 1:50
  various
• 1:50
  ways
• 1:51
  of
• 1:51
  describing
• 1:51
  it,.
• 1:52
  But
• 1:52
  the
• 1:52
  fandom
• 1:52
  is
• 1:53
  so
• 1:53
  hungry
• 1:53
  and
• 1:53
  like,
• 1:54
  obviously
• 1:54
  the
• 1:55
  demand
• 1:55
  on
• 1:56
  digital
• 1:56
  is
• 1:56
  so
• 1:56
  evident.
• 1:57
  You're
• 1:57
  able
• 1:57
  to
• 1:57
  track
• 1:57
  it.
• 1:58
  Like,
• 1:58
  oh,
• 1:58
  you're
• 1:59
  gonna.
• 1:59
  I'm
• 1:59
  so
• 1:59
  excited
• 2:00
  for
• 2:00
  you.
• 2:00
  I'm
• 2:00
  so,
• 2:00
  I'm
• 2:00
  actually,
• 2:01
  I'm
• 2:02
  so
• 2:02
  excited
• 2:02
  for
• 2:02
  you.
• 2:02
  But
• 2:02
  I'm
• 2:03
  more
• 2:03
  excited
• 2:03
  for
• 2:03
  them
• 2:03
  because
• 2:04
  they've
• 2:04
  landed
• 2:05
  you
• 2:05
  to
• 2:05
  take
• 2:06
  this
• 2:06
  forward,
• 2:06
  which
• 2:06
  is
• 2:06
  a
• 2:06
  really,
• 2:07
  really,
• 2:07
  really
• 2:07
  great
• 2:08
  opportunity.
• 2:09
  Oh,
• 2:09
  no,
• 2:10
  thank
• 2:10
  you.
• 2:10
  It
• 2:10
  is.
• 2:11
  I
• 2:11
  mean
• 2:11
  my,
• 2:12
  my
• 2:12
  feed
• 2:13
  is
• 2:13
  almost
• 2:13
  exclusively
• 2:14
  now
• 2:15
  Warrior
• 2:15
  Cats
• 2:15
  content
• 2:16
  from
• 2:17
  unboxing
• 2:17
  the
• 2:18
  little
• 2:18
  collectible
• 2:18
  figurines
• 2:19
  and
• 2:19
  plushies
• 2:20
  that
• 2:20
  have
• 2:20
  just
• 2:20
  been
• 2:20
  released
• 2:21
  by
• 2:21
  Bonkers
• 2:22
  Toys
• 2:22
  to
• 2:23
  fat.
• 2:23
  I
• 2:23
  mean
• 2:24
  there
• 2:24
  are
• 2:24
  even
• 2:25
  multi
• 2:26
  animator
• 2:26
  projects,
• 2:27
  fan
• 2:27
  animation.
• 2:28
  Yeah.
• 2:29
  Wow.
• 2:29
  That
• 2:30
  are
• 2:30
  pulling
• 2:30
  in
• 2:31
  millions
• 2:31
  of
• 2:31
  views.
• 2:32
  I
• 2:32
  mean,
• 2:32
  this
• 2:32
  is,
• 2:33
  it's,
• 2:33
  it's
• 2:34
  good
• 2:34
  stuff.
• 2:34
  I
• 2:35
  mean,
• 2:35
  people
• 2:35
  would
• 2:35
  give
• 2:35
  their
• 2:36
  right
• 2:36
  arm
• 2:36
  to
• 2:36
  be
• 2:36
  working
• 2:37
  with
• 2:37
  a
• 2:37
  fandom
• 2:37
  like
• 2:37
  that.
• 2:38
  So
• 2:38
  yes,
• 2:38
  I
• 2:38
  feel
• 2:38
  very
• 2:39
  lucky.
• 2:39
  Very
• 2:40
  exciting.
• 2:40
  That's
• 2:41
  great
• 2:41
  news.
• 2:41
  Though.
• 2:42
  Yes.
• 2:43
  Anyway,
• 2:44
  talking
• 2:44
  of
• 2:44
  fandoms,
• 2:45
  what
• 2:45
  a
• 2:45
  segue.
• 2:48
  Hey.
• 2:48
  Very.
• 2:49
  A
• 2:49
  very
• 2:50
  professional
• 2:50
  link
• 2:51
  there.
• 2:51
  I
• 2:51
  know.
• 2:53
  Yes.
• 2:53
  Amazing
• 2:54
  Digital
• 2:54
  Circus.
• 2:55
  We
• 2:55
  couldn't
• 2:56
  really
• 2:57
  have
• 2:57
  the
• 2:58
  next
• 2:58
  episode
• 2:58
  given
• 2:59
  that
• 2:59
  we
• 2:59
  spoke
• 2:59
  about
• 3:00
  backrooms
• 3:00
  and
• 3:00
  obsession
• 3:01
  last
• 3:01
  time.
• 3:02
  Andy.
• 3:03
  Without
• 3:04
  coming
• 3:04
  out
• 3:04
  of
• 3:05
  the
• 3:05
  weekend
• 3:06
  that
• 3:06
  the
• 3:06
  Amazing
• 3:07
  Digital
• 3:07
  Circus
• 3:08
  has
• 3:08
  had
• 3:09
  in
• 3:09
  cinemas,
• 3:10
  which
• 3:10
  I
• 3:10
  literally
• 3:11
  just
• 3:11
  saw
• 3:12
  a
• 3:12
  reel
• 3:12
  this
• 3:13
  morning
• 3:13
  on
• 3:13
  Instagram.
• 3:15
  It
• 3:15
  was
• 3:15
  supposed
• 3:15
  to
• 3:15
  be
• 3:15
  a
• 3:15
  four
• 3:16
  day
• 3:16
  run
• 3:16
  in
• 3:16
  cinema.
• 3:17
  Now
• 3:17
  extended
• 3:18
  it
• 3:18
  to
• 3:18
  June,
• 3:18
  eight
• 3:19
  weeks.
• 3:19
  Yeah.
• 3:21
  Wow.
• 3:22
  Yeah.
• 3:23
  And
• 3:23
  it
• 3:24
  would
• 3:24
  have
• 3:24
  made
• 3:24
  more
• 3:25
  money
• 3:25
  than
• 3:25
  any
• 3:25
  independent
• 3:26
  animated
• 3:28
  movie
• 3:29
  within
• 3:29
  that
• 3:29
  space.
• 3:31
  Yeah.
• 3:32
  So
• 3:32
  I
• 3:32
  mean
• 3:32
  what
• 3:32
  a
• 3:32
  fantastic
• 3:33
  validation
• 3:34
  of
• 3:34
  creator
• 3:35
  made
• 3:35
  movies
• 3:36
  and
• 3:36
  that
• 3:36
  kind
• 3:37
  of
• 3:37
  fan
• 3:37
  base
• 3:37
  strategy.
• 3:38
  Yeah.
• 3:39
  The
• 3:39
  creator
• 3:40
  to
• 3:40
  cinema
• 3:40
  strategy.
• 3:41
  You
• 3:41
  guys
• 3:41
  are
• 3:41
  talking
• 3:41
  about
• 3:42
  it
• 3:42
  last
• 3:42
  week
• 3:42
  I
• 3:43
  was
• 3:43
  listening
• 3:43
  and
• 3:44
  I
• 3:44
  was
• 3:44
  like
• 3:44
  trying
• 3:44
  to
• 3:45
  join
• 3:45
  in
• 3:45
  and
• 3:45
  it
• 3:45
  wasn't
• 3:45
  working
• 3:46
  because
• 3:46
  it
• 3:46
  was
• 3:46
  recording
• 3:47
  and
• 3:47
  it
• 3:47
  wasn't
• 3:47
  really
• 3:47
  what's
• 3:48
  happening
• 3:48
  with
• 3:48
  this
• 3:48
  mic?
• 3:48
  Why
• 3:49
  is
• 3:49
  it
• 3:49
  my
• 3:49
  work?
• 3:51
  But
• 3:51
  I
• 3:51
  do
• 3:51
  think
• 3:52
  there
• 3:52
  is
• 3:52
  something
• 3:52
  in
• 3:52
  that
• 3:53
  about
• 3:53
  like
• 3:54
  cinema
• 3:55
  as
• 3:55
  an
• 3:55
  outlet
• 3:55
  for
• 3:56
  creators.
• 3:56
  I
• 3:56
  think,
• 3:56
  you
• 3:57
  know,
• 3:58
  the
• 3:58
  transaction,
• 3:58
  like
• 3:59
  the
• 3:59
  kind
• 3:59
  of
• 3:59
  the
• 3:59
  direct
• 4:00
  transactionality
• 4:00
  of
• 4:01
  it,
• 4:01
  the
• 4:01
  event
• 4:01
  led
• 4:02
  how
• 4:02
  it's
• 4:02
  an
• 4:02
  event,
• 4:03
  it's
• 4:03
  a
• 4:03
  community
• 4:03
  event
• 4:04
  as
• 4:04
  opposed
• 4:05
  to
• 4:05
  say,
• 4:05
  you
• 4:05
  know,
• 4:06
  Mr.
• 4:06
  Beast
• 4:06
  hitting
• 4:07
  Amazon
• 4:07
  prime
• 4:07
  where
• 4:07
  you
• 4:07
  kind
• 4:07
  of
• 4:08
  have
• 4:08
  to
• 4:08
  hit
• 4:08
  up
• 4:08
  with
• 4:08
  a
• 4:08
  subscription.
• 4:09
  Coming
• 4:09
  to
• 4:09
  a
• 4:10
  cinema
• 4:10
  is
• 4:10
  such
• 4:10
  a
• 4:11
  moment.
• 4:11
  And
• 4:12
  it's
• 4:12
  also
• 4:12
  like
• 4:12
  a
• 4:12
  kind
• 4:12
  of
• 4:13
  a
• 4:13
  one
• 4:13
  off
• 4:13
  transaction
• 4:13
  that
• 4:14
  I'm
• 4:14
  going
• 4:14
  to
• 4:14
  go.
• 4:14
  If
• 4:14
  people
• 4:15
  don't
• 4:15
  expect
• 4:15
  to
• 4:15
  have
• 4:15
  to,
• 4:15
  then
• 4:16
  I've
• 4:16
  got
• 4:16
  this
• 4:16
  Amazon
• 4:17
  prime
• 4:17
  like
• 4:18
  subscription.
• 4:18
  I
• 4:18
  maybe
• 4:18
  need
• 4:19
  to
• 4:19
  do
• 4:19
  something
• 4:19
  with
• 4:19
  it.
• 4:19
  It's
• 4:20
  more
• 4:20
  like
• 4:20
  I
• 4:20
  go
• 4:20
  into
• 4:20
  the
• 4:21
  cinema,
• 4:21
  I
• 4:21
  know
• 4:21
  what
• 4:21
  I'm
• 4:21
  getting
• 4:22
  out
• 4:22
  of
• 4:22
  it.
• 4:23
  And
• 4:23
  it's
• 4:24
  just,
• 4:24
  it's
• 4:24
  a
• 4:24
  very
• 4:24
  comfortable
• 4:25
  kind
• 4:26
  of
• 4:26
  known,
• 4:26
  warm
• 4:27
  fuzzy
• 4:27
  kind
• 4:27
  of
• 4:29
  approach.
• 4:29
  Yeah.
• 4:30
  And
• 4:30
  it's
• 4:30
  that
• 4:31
  communal,
• 4:32
  communal
• 4:32
  collective
• 4:33
  moment
• 4:33
  in
• 4:33
  time,
• 4:33
  isn't
• 4:34
  it?
• 4:34
  It's
• 4:35
  that
• 4:35
  moment
• 4:35
  that
• 4:35
  you
• 4:35
  experience
• 4:36
  together.
• 4:37
  You.
• 4:37
  It's
• 4:37
  not
• 4:38
  something
• 4:38
  you
• 4:38
  can
• 4:38
  time
• 4:39
  shift
• 4:39
  because
• 4:40
  you
• 4:40
  want
• 4:41
  to
• 4:41
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• 4:41
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• 4:41
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• 4:41
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• 4:42
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• 4:42
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• 4:42
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• 4:42
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• 4:43
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• 4:43
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• 4:43
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• 4:43
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• 4:43
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• 4:44
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• 4:44
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• 4:44
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• 4:44
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• 4:44
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• 4:45
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• 4:45
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• 4:45
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• 4:45
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• 4:45
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• 4:46
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• 4:46
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• 4:46
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• 4:46
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• 4:47
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• 4:47
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• 4:47
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• 4:48
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• 4:48
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• 4:48
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• 4:48
  your
• 4:48
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• 4:49
  So
• 4:49
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• 4:49
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• 4:49
  that
• 4:49
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• 4:50
  that
• 4:50
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• 4:51
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• 4:51
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• 4:51
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• 4:51
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• 4:51
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• 4:52
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• 4:52
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• 4:52
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• 4:52
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• 4:52
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• 4:53
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• 4:53
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• 4:53
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• 4:54
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• 4:54
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• 4:55
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• 4:55
  And
• 4:55
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• 4:56
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• 4:56
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• 4:56
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• 4:56
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• 4:57
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• 4:59
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• 4:59
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• 4:59
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• 4:59
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• 4:59
  of
• 5:00
  a
• 5:00
  music
• 5:00
  artist
• 5:01
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• 5:02
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• 5:02
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• 5:03
  their
• 5:03
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• 5:03
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• 5:04
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• 5:04
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• 5:04
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• 5:04
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• 5:04
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• 5:05
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• 5:05
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• 5:05
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• 5:05
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• 5:06
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• 5:06
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• 5:06
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• 5:06
  It
• 5:07
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• 5:07
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• 5:07
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• 5:08
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• 5:08
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• 5:08
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• 5:09
  Okay,
• 5:10
  who
• 5:11
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• 5:11
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• 5:11
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• 5:12
  the
• 5:12
  bet
• 5:13
  that
• 5:13
  it
• 5:13
  extends
• 5:14
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• 5:14
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• 5:15
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• 5:15
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• 5:15
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• 5:15
  two
• 5:15
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• 5:16
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• 5:16
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• 5:16
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• 5:16
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• 5:16
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• 5:16
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• 5:16
  It
• 5:17
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• 5:17
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• 5:17
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• 5:17
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• 5:17
  four
• 5:17
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• 5:18
  It's
• 5:18
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• 5:19
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• 5:19
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• 5:19
  two
• 5:19
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• 5:19
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• 5:20
  those
• 5:20
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• 5:20
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• 5:20
  it
• 5:20
  hits
• 5:21
  YouTube
• 5:21
  and
• 5:22
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• 5:22
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• 5:24
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• 5:24
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• 5:26
  What
• 5:26
  do
• 5:26
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• 5:26
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• 5:27
  the
• 5:27
  likelihood
• 5:27
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• 5:27
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• 5:28
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• 5:28
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• 5:28
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• 5:29
  up
• 5:29
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• 5:29
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• 5:29
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• 5:30
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• 5:31
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• 5:31
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• 5:31
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• 5:31
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• 5:31
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• 5:32
  And,
• 5:32
  and
• 5:33
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• 5:33
  think
• 5:33
  the
• 5:33
  interesting
• 5:34
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• 5:34
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• 5:35
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• 5:35
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• 5:35
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• 5:36
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• 5:36
  irony
• 5:37
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• 5:37
  that
• 5:37
  you've
• 5:37
  got
• 5:38
  something
• 5:38
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• 5:38
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• 5:38
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• 5:39
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• 5:39
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• 5:39
  Internet
• 5:39
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• 5:40
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• 5:41
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• 5:42
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• 5:42
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• 5:43
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• 5:44
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• 5:45
  But
• 5:46
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• 5:46
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• 5:47
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• 5:47
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• 5:48
  it's
• 5:49
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• 5:49
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• 5:50
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• 5:50
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• 5:50
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• 5:50
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• 5:51
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• 5:51
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• 5:52
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• 5:53
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• 5:53
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• 5:53
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• 5:53
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• 5:53
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• 5:54
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• 5:54
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• 5:56
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• 5:56
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• 5:56
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• 5:56
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• 5:57
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• 5:57
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• 5:57
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• 5:58
  events
• 5:58
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• 5:59
  something
• 5:59
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• 5:59
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• 5:59
  seen
• 6:00
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• 6:00
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• 6:01
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• 6:01
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• 6:02
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• 6:02
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• 6:03
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• 6:03
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• 6:03
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• 6:03
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• 6:03
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• 6:04
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• 6:04
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• 6:05
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• 6:05
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• 6:06
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• 6:06
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• 6:07
  cinema
• 6:07
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• 6:08
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• 6:09
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• 6:09
  all
• 6:09
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• 6:09
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• 6:10
  creatum
• 6:10
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• 6:11
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• 6:11
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• 6:11
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• 6:11
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• 6:12
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• 6:12
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• 6:13
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• 6:13
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• 6:13
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• 6:14
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• 6:16
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• 6:16
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• 6:17
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• 6:17
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• 6:17
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• 6:17
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• 6:17
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• 6:17
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• 6:18
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• 6:18
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• 6:19
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• 6:19
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• 6:19
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• 6:20
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• 6:20
  how
• 6:20
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• 6:20
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• 6:20
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• 6:21
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• 6:21
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• 6:21
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• 6:21
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• 6:21
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• 6:22
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• 6:23
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• 6:23
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• 6:24
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• 6:24
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• 6:25
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• 6:25
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• 6:25
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• 6:26
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• 6:26
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• 6:26
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• 6:26
  it
• 6:26
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• 6:27
  Netflix.
• 6:27
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• 6:27
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• 6:27
  do
• 6:27
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• 6:29
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• 6:30
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• 6:30
  you,
• 6:30
  Emily.
• 6:30
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• 6:30
  think
• 6:31
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• 6:31
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• 6:31
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• 6:32
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• 6:32
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• 6:33
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• 6:33
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• 6:33
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• 6:34
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• 6:35
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• 6:35
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• 6:35
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• 6:35
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• 6:36
  cinema,
• 6:36
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• 6:36
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• 6:37
  up.
• 6:37
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• 6:37
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• 6:38
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• 6:38
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• 6:40
  screenings
• 6:40
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• 6:41
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• 6:41
  was
• 6:42
  just
• 6:42
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• 6:42
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• 6:43
  love
• 6:43
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• 6:44
  crazy
• 6:44
  creativity
• 6:44
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• 6:45
  that.
• 6:45
  But
• 6:46
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• 6:46
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• 6:46
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• 6:46
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• 6:47
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• 6:48
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• 6:48
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• 6:48
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• 6:49
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• 6:49
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• 6:49
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• 6:50
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• 6:50
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• 6:50
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• 6:50
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• 6:50
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• 6:51
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• 6:51
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• 6:51
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• 6:51
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• 6:51
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• 6:52
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• 6:52
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• 6:52
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• 6:52
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• 6:52
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• 6:52
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• 6:52
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• 6:53
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• 6:53
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• 6:53
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• 6:53
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• 6:53
  on,
• 6:53
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• 6:54
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• 6:54
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• 6:54
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• 6:54
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• 6:55
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• 6:55
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• 6:55
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• 6:55
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• 6:56
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• 6:56
  about?
• 6:57
  So
• 6:57
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• 6:57
  think
• 6:58
  they
• 6:58
  all
• 6:58
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• 6:58
  a
• 6:59
  slightly
• 6:59
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• 6:59
  itch,
• 6:59
  but
• 7:00
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• 7:00
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• 7:00
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• 7:00
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• 7:01
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• 7:01
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• 7:02
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• 7:03
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• 7:03
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• 7:04
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• 7:05
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• 7:06
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• 7:06
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• 7:07
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• 7:07
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• 7:07
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• 7:07
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• 7:08
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• 7:09
  Not
• 7:09
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• 7:10
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• 7:10
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• 7:11
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• 7:11
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• 7:11
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• 7:12
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• 7:12
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• 7:12
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• 7:12
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• 7:12
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• 7:13
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• 7:13
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• 7:13
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• 7:13
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• 7:13
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• 7:13
  it
• 7:13
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• 7:13
  it
• 7:14
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• 7:14
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• 7:14
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• 7:15
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• 7:15
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• 7:15
  it
• 7:15
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• 7:15
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• 7:16
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• 7:16
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• 7:17
  But
• 7:17
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• 7:17
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• 7:17
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• 7:18
  about
• 7:18
  this
• 7:19
  as
• 7:19
  it
• 7:20
  relates
• 7:20
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• 7:20
  K
• 7:20
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• 7:20
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• 7:20
  Hunters
• 7:21
  and
• 7:21
  I
• 7:21
  know
• 7:21
  we've
• 7:21
  another,
• 7:23
  another
• 7:23
  point
• 7:23
  in
• 7:23
  the
• 7:23
  schedule
• 7:24
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• 7:24
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• 7:24
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• 7:24
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• 7:24
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• 7:25
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• 7:25
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• 7:25
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• 7:26
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• 7:26
  a
• 7:26
  year
• 7:27
  next
• 7:27
  week.
• 7:29
  But
• 7:30
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• 7:30
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• 7:30
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• 7:30
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• 7:30
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• 7:30
  the
• 7:31
  numbers.
• 7:31
  So
• 7:31
  Netflix
• 7:32
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• 7:32
  out
• 7:32
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• 7:33
  K
• 7:33
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• 7:33
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• 7:33
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• 7:34
  sing
• 7:34
  along
• 7:35
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• 7:35
  Cinemas
• 7:36
  version,
• 7:36
  right?
• 7:36
  Like
• 7:36
  that
• 7:36
  is
• 7:37
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• 7:37
  again
• 7:37
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• 7:38
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• 7:38
  the
• 7:38
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• 7:39
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• 7:39
  flip
• 7:39
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• 7:40
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• 7:40
  flop
• 7:40
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• 7:42
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• 7:42
  U
• 7:42
  turn
• 7:42
  that
• 7:43
  they've
• 7:43
  done
• 7:43
  around
• 7:43
  Cinemas
• 7:44
  drove
• 7:44
  $18
• 7:44
  million
• 7:46
  in
• 7:46
  box
• 7:46
  office
• 7:47
  domestically
• 7:48
  and
• 7:48
  I
• 7:48
  think
• 7:48
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• 7:49
  Digital
• 7:49
  Circus
• 7:49
  did
• 7:50
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• 7:50
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• 7:51
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• 7:51
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• 7:51
  at
• 7:51
  that.
• 7:52
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• 7:52
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• 7:53
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• 7:53
  see
• 7:53
  in
• 7:53
  the
• 7:53
  viewership
• 7:53
  that
• 7:54
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• 7:54
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• 7:55
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• 7:55
  viewership
• 7:56
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• 7:56
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• 7:57
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• 7:57
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• 7:57
  Hunters
• 7:58
  that
• 7:58
  week.
• 7:59
  So
• 8:00
  it
• 8:00
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• 8:00
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• 8:00
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• 8:01
  it's
• 8:01
  everything.
• 8:01
  Every
• 8:02
  everywhere
• 8:02
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• 8:03
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• 8:03
  Like
• 8:03
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• 8:03
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• 8:04
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• 8:04
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• 8:04
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• 8:04
  fandom
• 8:05
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• 8:05
  in
• 8:05
  this
• 8:05
  sort
• 8:05
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• 8:06
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• 8:07
  pattern,
• 8:08
  you
• 8:08
  know,
• 8:09
  it's
• 8:09
  all
• 8:09
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• 8:10
  All
• 8:10
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• 8:10
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• 8:10
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• 8:11
  Yeah.
• 8:12
  And
• 8:13
  do
• 8:13
  you
• 8:13
  think
• 8:14
  this
• 8:14
  changes
• 8:15
  the,
• 8:17
  the
• 8:17
  mindset
• 8:17
  for
• 8:18
  creators
• 8:18
  as
• 8:18
  well?
• 8:19
  Because
• 8:20
  this
• 8:20
  is
• 8:20
  a
• 8:21
  classic
• 8:21
  example
• 8:22
  of
• 8:22
  they
• 8:23
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• 8:23
  the
• 8:23
  rights.
• 8:24
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• 8:25
  they
• 8:25
  license
• 8:25
  it
• 8:26
  to
• 8:26
  Netflix.
• 8:26
  Netflix
• 8:27
  don't
• 8:27
  own
• 8:27
  the
• 8:27
  rights
• 8:28
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• 8:28
  Digital
• 8:28
  Circus,
• 8:29
  so
• 8:30
  they
• 8:30
  have
• 8:30
  the
• 8:30
  freedom
• 8:31
  to
• 8:31
  be
• 8:31
  able
• 8:31
  to
• 8:32
  make
• 8:32
  the
• 8:32
  cinema
• 8:33
  play,
• 8:33
  to.
• 8:34
  To
• 8:35
  have
• 8:35
  their
• 8:35
  YouTube
• 8:37
  channel
• 8:38
  coexisting
• 8:38
  with
• 8:39
  Netflix.
• 8:39
  And
• 8:40
  so
• 8:40
  it's
• 8:41
  a
• 8:41
  much
• 8:41
  more
• 8:41
  powerful
• 8:41
  position
• 8:42
  for
• 8:42
  them
• 8:42
  to
• 8:42
  have
• 8:42
  that
• 8:43
  independence
• 8:44
  to
• 8:44
  really
• 8:45
  be
• 8:45
  able
• 8:45
  to
• 8:45
  kind
• 8:45
  of
• 8:45
  make
• 8:46
  those
• 8:46
  decisions.
• 8:47
  And,
• 8:47
  And
• 8:48
  I
• 8:48
  wonder
• 8:48
  whether
• 8:48
  more
• 8:49
  and
• 8:49
  more
• 8:49
  creators
• 8:49
  will
• 8:50
  be
• 8:50
  looking
• 8:50
  at
• 8:50
  that
• 8:50
  and
• 8:51
  thinking,
• 8:51
  actually
• 8:51
  maybe
• 8:52
  there
• 8:52
  is
• 8:52
  a
• 8:52
  way
• 8:53
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• 8:53
  make
• 8:54
  the
• 8:54
  money
• 8:54
  work
• 8:55
  and,
• 8:56
  and
• 8:56
  be
• 8:57
  more
• 8:57
  of
• 8:57
  an
• 8:57
  independent
• 8:58
  producer
• 8:59
  within
• 8:59
  that
• 9:00
  space.
• 9:00
  I
• 9:00
  think
• 9:00
  it's
• 9:01
  a
• 9:01
  difference
• 9:01
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• 9:02
  the
• 9:02
  creator
• 9:02
  economy
• 9:03
  and
• 9:03
  the
• 9:03
  producer
• 9:03
  economy.
• 9:04
  Right.
• 9:04
  And
• 9:05
  I've
• 9:06
  been
• 9:06
  discussing
• 9:07
  this
• 9:07
  on
• 9:07
  LinkedIn
• 9:08
  this
• 9:08
  week.
• 9:10
  Creators
• 9:11
  build
• 9:11
  their
• 9:12
  audience
• 9:12
  from
• 9:12
  the
• 9:12
  ground
• 9:12
  up,
• 9:12
  and
• 9:12
  they
• 9:13
  build
• 9:13
  their
• 9:13
  content
• 9:13
  from
• 9:13
  the
• 9:13
  ground
• 9:13
  up.
• 9:14
  And
• 9:14
  usually
• 9:14
  the
• 9:15
  best
• 9:15
  ones
• 9:16
  are
• 9:16
  doing
• 9:16
  something
• 9:16
  they're
• 9:17
  so
• 9:17
  intensely
• 9:17
  passionate
• 9:18
  about
• 9:18
  that
• 9:18
  they'd
• 9:18
  probably
• 9:18
  be
• 9:18
  doing
• 9:19
  it
• 9:19
  anyway.
• 9:19
  They'd
• 9:19
  be
• 9:20
  finding
• 9:20
  a
• 9:20
  way
• 9:20
  to
• 9:20
  do
• 9:20
  it
• 9:21
  anyway.
• 9:22
  And
• 9:23
  that
• 9:23
  means
• 9:23
  when
• 9:23
  they
• 9:23
  come
• 9:24
  into
• 9:24
  these
• 9:25
  traditional
• 9:26
  media
• 9:26
  settings,
• 9:27
  they're
• 9:27
  bringing
• 9:28
  in
• 9:28
  their
• 9:28
  own
• 9:28
  audience,
• 9:28
  they're
• 9:29
  bringing
• 9:29
  in
• 9:29
  this
• 9:30
  back
• 9:30
  end.
• 9:30
  They're
• 9:30
  bringing
• 9:31
  in,
• 9:31
  you
• 9:31
  know,
• 9:32
  they're
• 9:32
  bringing
• 9:32
  in
• 9:32
  their
• 9:33
  own
• 9:33
  stability.
• 9:33
  They're
• 9:34
  not
• 9:34
  coming
• 9:34
  in
• 9:34
  with
• 9:34
  the
• 9:35
  begging
• 9:35
  bill
• 9:35
  asking
• 9:36
  for
• 9:37
  money,
• 9:37
  or,
• 9:37
  you
• 9:37
  know,
• 9:38
  even
• 9:38
  if
• 9:38
  they
• 9:38
  are
• 9:38
  asking
• 9:39
  for
• 9:39
  money,
• 9:39
  they're
• 9:39
  not
• 9:39
  needing
• 9:40
  the
• 9:40
  money.
• 9:40
  Right.
• 9:40
  Like,
• 9:41
  they
• 9:41
  already
• 9:41
  have
• 9:41
  something
• 9:42
  that's
• 9:42
  firing
• 9:43
  themselves,
• 9:44
  and
• 9:44
  that
• 9:44
  puts
• 9:45
  them
• 9:45
  in
• 9:45
  a
• 9:45
  much
• 9:45
  better
• 9:45
  position
• 9:46
  when
• 9:46
  it
• 9:46
  comes
• 9:46
  to
• 9:46
  negotiating
• 9:47
  these
• 9:47
  rights.
• 9:48
  And
• 9:48
  I
• 9:48
  do
• 9:48
  think
• 9:48
  they
• 9:49
  should
• 9:49
  be
• 9:49
  bullish,
• 9:49
  and
• 9:50
  I
• 9:50
  do
• 9:50
  think
• 9:50
  they
• 9:50
  should
• 9:51
  be
• 9:52
  not
• 9:52
  dazzled
• 9:52
  by
• 9:53
  the
• 9:53
  Hollywood,
• 9:54
  you
• 9:54
  know,
• 9:55
  the
• 9:55
  whole
• 9:56
  Hollywood
• 9:56
  shtick.
• 9:57
  You
• 9:58
  know,
• 9:58
  we've
• 9:58
  talked
• 9:58
  about
• 9:59
  this
• 9:59
  from
• 9:59
  a
• 9:59
  streaming
• 10:00
  point
• 10:00
  of
• 10:00
  view,
• 10:00
  someone
• 10:01
  like
• 10:01
  Ms.
• 10:01
  Rachel
• 10:01
  hitting
• 10:02
  Netflix.
• 10:02
  I
• 10:02
  really
• 10:02
  hope
• 10:03
  Ms.
• 10:03
  Rachel
• 10:03
  is
• 10:03
  making
• 10:03
  bank
• 10:04
  from
• 10:04
  that
• 10:04
  because
• 10:04
  she
• 10:04
  is
• 10:05
  bringing
• 10:05
  a
• 10:05
  huge
• 10:05
  audience
• 10:06
  there.
• 10:07
  This
• 10:08
  is
• 10:08
  the
• 10:08
  kind
• 10:08
  of
• 10:09
  the
• 10:09
  opposite
• 10:09
  of
• 10:09
  what
• 10:10
  traditional
• 10:11
  Hollywood
• 10:11
  pipeline
• 10:11
  looks
• 10:12
  like,
• 10:12
  where
• 10:13
  you
• 10:13
  need
• 10:14
  the
• 10:14
  permission,
• 10:15
  you
• 10:15
  need
• 10:15
  the
• 10:15
  green
• 10:16
  light
• 10:16
  from
• 10:16
  the
• 10:16
  studio
• 10:17
  to
• 10:17
  move
• 10:17
  forward.
• 10:19
  And
• 10:19
  in
• 10:19
  that
• 10:19
  position,
• 10:20
  plenty
• 10:20
  of
• 10:21
  producers
• 10:21
  will
• 10:22
  sign
• 10:22
  away
• 10:23
  the
• 10:23
  rights
• 10:24
  to
• 10:25
  their
• 10:25
  best
• 10:26
  idea.
• 10:26
  You
• 10:27
  know,
• 10:27
  and
• 10:27
  I
• 10:27
  think
• 10:27
  that's.
• 10:28
  That's
• 10:28
  one
• 10:28
  of
• 10:28
  the
• 10:28
  issues
• 10:29
  with
• 10:29
  the
• 10:30
  current
• 10:30
  system
• 10:30
  is
• 10:31
  that,
• 10:31
  like,
• 10:32
  they're
• 10:33
  signing
• 10:33
  away
• 10:33
  all
• 10:34
  sorts
• 10:34
  of
• 10:34
  things
• 10:34
  to
• 10:34
  commissioners
• 10:35
  that
• 10:36
  Some
• 10:36
  of
• 10:36
  which
• 10:36
  aren't
• 10:37
  necessary,
• 10:37
  some
• 10:38
  of
• 10:38
  which
• 10:38
  aren't
• 10:38
  helpful,
• 10:39
  you
• 10:39
  know,
• 10:39
  things
• 10:39
  like
• 10:40
  YouTube
• 10:40
  rights,
• 10:40
  etc.
• 10:41
  Where
• 10:41
  nobody's
• 10:41
  winning
• 10:42
  when
• 10:42
  those
• 10:42
  rights
• 10:42
  are
• 10:42
  locked
• 10:43
  away.
• 10:45
  And,
• 10:45
  you
• 10:45
  know,
• 10:46
  I
• 10:46
  think
• 10:47
  that's
• 10:47
  the
• 10:48
  real
• 10:48
  benefit
• 10:48
  creators
• 10:49
  are
• 10:49
  bringing
• 10:49
  into
• 10:49
  the
• 10:49
  room
• 10:50
  is
• 10:50
  that
• 10:50
  they're
• 10:51
  coming
• 10:51
  at
• 10:51
  it
• 10:51
  from
• 10:51
  a
• 10:51
  position
• 10:52
  of
• 10:52
  security,
• 10:52
  they're
• 10:53
  not
• 10:53
  coming
• 10:53
  at
• 10:53
  it
• 10:54
  from
• 10:54
  a
• 10:54
  position
• 10:55
  of
• 10:55
  permission,
• 10:55
  you
• 10:56
  know,
• 10:56
  and
• 10:56
  that
• 10:56
  they
• 10:57
  don't
• 10:57
  need
• 10:57
  the
• 10:57
  permission
• 10:58
  of
• 10:58
  the
• 10:58
  studios
• 10:58
  to
• 10:58
  go
• 10:59
  forward.
• 11:00
  And
• 11:00
  that's
• 11:00
  what
• 11:01
  we've
• 11:01
  seen.
• 11:01
  And
• 11:01
  that's
• 11:02
  one
• 11:02
  of
• 11:02
  the
• 11:02
  issues
• 11:02
  with
• 11:02
  producers.
• 11:03
  They're
• 11:03
  saying
• 11:04
  yes
• 11:04
  to
• 11:04
  any
• 11:04
  deal
• 11:05
  because
• 11:05
  they
• 11:05
  want
• 11:05
  to
• 11:06
  get
• 11:06
  the
• 11:06
  show
• 11:06
  made,
• 11:07
  but
• 11:07
  then
• 11:07
  when
• 11:08
  the
• 11:08
  show
• 11:08
  ends
• 11:08
  up
• 11:08
  being
• 11:09
  humongous,
• 11:10
  you
• 11:10
  know,
• 11:11
  then
• 11:11
  they're,
• 11:11
  they're,
• 11:12
  they're
• 11:12
  on
• 11:12
  the
• 11:12
  back
• 11:12
  foot.
• 11:13
  Or
• 11:13
  maybe
• 11:13
  it
• 11:13
  doesn't
• 11:13
  end
• 11:14
  up
• 11:14
  being
• 11:14
  humongous
• 11:14
  because
• 11:14
  the
• 11:15
  rights
• 11:15
  position
• 11:15
  has
• 11:16
  been
• 11:17
  unstrategic
• 11:18
  from
• 11:18
  a,
• 11:18
  from
• 11:19
  a,
• 11:19
  from
• 11:19
  a
• 11:19
  strategy
• 11:20
  point
• 11:20
  of
• 11:20
  view.
• 11:20
  Unstrategy
• 11:21
  from
• 11:21
  a
• 11:21
  strategy
• 11:21
  point.
• 11:21
  Yeah.
• 11:22
  And,
• 11:22
  and
• 11:22
  I
• 11:23
  think,
• 11:23
  I
• 11:23
  mean
• 11:23
  that,
• 11:23
  that's
• 11:24
  all
• 11:25
  absolutely
• 11:25
  kind
• 11:25
  of
• 11:26
  on
• 11:26
  point,
• 11:26
  I
• 11:26
  think,
• 11:27
  but
• 11:27
  I
• 11:27
  think
• 11:28
  there's
• 11:28
  almost
• 11:28
  like
• 11:29
  a
• 11:29
  hangover
• 11:29
  from
• 11:29
  the
• 11:30
  old
• 11:30
  system
• 11:30
  to
• 11:31
  the
• 11:31
  new
• 11:31
  system.
• 11:32
  And
• 11:32
  I
• 11:32
  think
• 11:33
  producers
• 11:33
  have
• 11:34
  been
• 11:34
  conditioned
• 11:35
  to
• 11:36
  operate
• 11:36
  more
• 11:36
  on
• 11:37
  the
• 11:37
  way
• 11:37
  the
• 11:37
  old
• 11:37
  system
• 11:38
  worked
• 11:40
  and
• 11:41
  the
• 11:41
  opportunities
• 11:41
  of
• 11:42
  the
• 11:42
  new
• 11:42
  system
• 11:42
  are
• 11:42
  evolving
• 11:43
  anyway.
• 11:44
  So
• 11:44
  stuff
• 11:45
  like
• 11:45
  the
• 11:45
  cinema
• 11:46
  play
• 11:46
  wasn't
• 11:47
  really
• 11:47
  a
• 11:47
  thing
• 11:48
  a
• 11:48
  year
• 11:48
  ago
• 11:49
  and
• 11:50
  now
• 11:50
  has
• 11:50
  become
• 11:51
  something
• 11:51
  that
• 11:51
  is
• 11:52
  a
• 11:52
  potential
• 11:52
  opportunity
• 11:53
  there.
• 11:54
  It
• 11:54
  reminds
• 11:54
  me.
• 11:55
  So
• 11:56
  I
• 11:56
  have
• 11:57
  some
• 11:57
  experience
• 11:57
  with
• 11:58
  the
• 11:58
  way
• 11:59
  theater
• 12:00
  works
• 12:00
  in
• 12:01
  terms
• 12:01
  of
• 12:02
  developing
• 12:02
  a
• 12:03
  show
• 12:03
  and
• 12:03
  then
• 12:04
  getting
• 12:05
  that
• 12:05
  out
• 12:05
  there.
• 12:06
  And
• 12:06
  it's
• 12:06
  very
• 12:07
  different
• 12:07
  from
• 12:08
  TV
• 12:09
  and
• 12:09
  film
• 12:09
  in
• 12:09
  some
• 12:10
  respects
• 12:10
  because
• 12:12
  traditionally
• 12:12
  the
• 12:13
  platform
• 12:13
  or
• 12:13
  the
• 12:14
  broadcaster
• 12:14
  would
• 12:14
  be
• 12:15
  the
• 12:15
  gatekeeper
• 12:16
  for
• 12:17
  whether
• 12:17
  your
• 12:17
  show
• 12:18
  got
• 12:18
  made.
• 12:19
  Whereas
• 12:20
  in
• 12:21
  theater
• 12:21
  there's.
• 12:22
  You
• 12:23
  raise
• 12:23
  the
• 12:23
  capital
• 12:24
  and
• 12:24
  you
• 12:24
  get
• 12:24
  the
• 12:25
  money
• 12:25
  together
• 12:25
  and
• 12:26
  then
• 12:26
  you
• 12:26
  book
• 12:26
  a
• 12:27
  theater
• 12:29
  and
• 12:29
  it's
• 12:29
  about
• 12:29
  the
• 12:30
  availability
• 12:30
  of
• 12:30
  the
• 12:31
  theater.
• 12:32
  But
• 12:32
  it's
• 12:32
  not,
• 12:33
  they're
• 12:33
  not,
• 12:33
  the
• 12:34
  theaters
• 12:34
  aren't
• 12:34
  gatekeepers
• 12:35
  in
• 12:35
  the
• 12:35
  same
• 12:36
  way
• 12:36
  as
• 12:37
  a
• 12:37
  broadcaster
• 12:38
  traditionally
• 12:38
  has
• 12:38
  been
• 12:39
  a
• 12:39
  gatekeeper.
• 12:40
  So,
• 12:41
  so
• 12:41
  it
• 12:41
  reminds
• 12:42
  me
• 12:42
  a
• 12:42
  bit
• 12:42
  that
• 12:43
  you've
• 12:43
  got
• 12:43
  some
• 12:43
  creator
• 12:44
  made
• 12:44
  movies
• 12:44
  where
• 12:45
  they're
• 12:45
  literally
• 12:45
  booking
• 12:46
  the
• 12:46
  cinemas
• 12:47
  now.
• 12:48
  They're
• 12:48
  not
• 12:48
  having
• 12:49
  to
• 12:49
  get
• 12:49
  permission
• 12:50
  from,
• 12:51
  from
• 12:52
  a
• 12:52
  broadcaster.
• 12:53
  They've
• 12:53
  made
• 12:54
  the
• 12:54
  product
• 12:54
  and
• 12:55
  then
• 12:55
  they're
• 12:56
  looking
• 12:56
  to
• 12:56
  book
• 12:57
  space
• 12:58
  to
• 12:58
  show
• 12:59
  the
• 12:59
  product.
• 13:00
  It's
• 13:00
  similar
• 13:00
  to
• 13:00
  the
• 13:01
  way
• 13:01
  it
• 13:02
  might
• 13:02
  work
• 13:02
  for
• 13:02
  a
• 13:03
  stage
• 13:03
  production.
• 13:04
  Yeah,
• 13:06
  it's
• 13:06
  interesting
• 13:06
  that
• 13:07
  shift.
• 13:07
  Yeah.
• 13:09
  Isn't
• 13:09
  it
• 13:10
  interesting
• 13:10
  that
• 13:11
  not
• 13:12
  two
• 13:12
  years
• 13:12
  ago
• 13:13
  those
• 13:13
  theater
• 13:14
  chains
• 13:15
  were
• 13:15
  all
• 13:15
  under
• 13:16
  pressure
• 13:16
  and
• 13:16
  the
• 13:17
  studios
• 13:17
  were
• 13:17
  a
• 13:18
  little
• 13:18
  bit
• 13:18
  like,
• 13:18
  you
• 13:19
  know,
• 13:19
  you're
• 13:19
  on
• 13:19
  your
• 13:20
  own.
• 13:20
  And
• 13:20
  it
• 13:20
  was
• 13:20
  looking
• 13:21
  pretty
• 13:21
  disastrous.
• 13:22
  I
• 13:23
  wonder
• 13:23
  if
• 13:23
  now
• 13:23
  those,
• 13:24
  you
• 13:24
  know,
• 13:24
  the
• 13:25
  AMCs
• 13:25
  and
• 13:26
  the
• 13:26
  Cineworlds
• 13:27
  of
• 13:27
  this
• 13:28
  world
• 13:28
  are
• 13:28
  sitting
• 13:28
  there
• 13:28
  thinking
• 13:29
  this
• 13:29
  is
• 13:30
  great.
• 13:31
  We
• 13:31
  don't,
• 13:31
  we're
• 13:32
  not
• 13:32
  reliant
• 13:32
  on
• 13:32
  that
• 13:32
  slate
• 13:33
  of
• 13:33
  studio
• 13:33
  movies
• 13:34
  coming
• 13:34
  down
• 13:34
  the
• 13:34
  pipe
• 13:35
  and
• 13:35
  getting
• 13:35
  screwed
• 13:36
  over
• 13:36
  by
• 13:36
  them.
• 13:36
  Now
• 13:36
  we've
• 13:37
  got
• 13:37
  this
• 13:37
  whole
• 13:37
  other
• 13:38
  avenue
• 13:38
  of
• 13:38
  potential
• 13:39
  supply.
• 13:40
  Oh
• 13:40
  yeah.
• 13:41
  I
• 13:41
  mean
• 13:41
  for
• 13:42
  them
• 13:42
  it
• 13:42
  must,
• 13:43
  you.
• 13:43
  Know,
• 13:43
  ticket
• 13:44
  buyers
• 13:44
  in
• 13:44
  in
• 13:44
  droves,
• 13:45
  yen
• 13:45
  in
• 13:45
  costume.
• 13:47
  Yeah.
• 13:47
  And
• 13:47
  it,
• 13:48
  and
• 13:48
  it
• 13:48
  gets
• 13:49
  them
• 13:49
  over
• 13:49
  the
• 13:49
  problem
• 13:49
  that
• 13:50
  they've
• 13:50
  probably
• 13:50
  had
• 13:50
  for
• 13:51
  decades,
• 13:51
  which
• 13:51
  is
• 13:52
  that
• 13:53
  there,
• 13:54
  there
• 13:54
  aren't
• 13:54
  a
• 13:55
  lot
• 13:55
  of
• 13:55
  studios
• 13:55
  that
• 13:56
  supply
• 13:56
  movies.
• 13:57
  So,
• 13:58
  so
• 13:58
  they,
• 13:59
  they
• 13:59
  don't
• 14:00
  have
• 14:00
  a
• 14:00
  lot
• 14:00
  of
• 14:00
  negotiating
• 14:01
  power
• 14:01
  because
• 14:03
  if
• 14:03
  Disney
• 14:03
  and
• 14:04
  Warner
• 14:04
  Brothers
• 14:04
  decide
• 14:05
  that
• 14:05
  they're
• 14:05
  not
• 14:05
  going
• 14:05
  to
• 14:06
  respect
• 14:07
  the
• 14:07
  theatrical
• 14:08
  window,
• 14:08
  there's
• 14:09
  not,
• 14:10
  people
• 14:10
  will
• 14:10
  assume
• 14:11
  there
• 14:11
  aren't
• 14:11
  that
• 14:11
  many
• 14:12
  other
• 14:12
  options
• 14:13
  for
• 14:13
  them
• 14:13
  to
• 14:13
  go
• 14:13
  to.
• 14:14
  If
• 14:14
  suddenly
• 14:14
  you've
• 14:14
  got,
• 14:16
  you
• 14:16
  know,
• 14:17
  a
• 14:17
  world
• 14:17
  of
• 14:17
  creator
• 14:18
  made
• 14:18
  movies,
• 14:19
  you've
• 14:20
  potentially
• 14:20
  got
• 14:20
  a
• 14:20
  lot
• 14:21
  of
• 14:21
  clients
• 14:22
  looking
• 14:22
  to
• 14:22
  book
• 14:23
  cinema
• 14:24
  spaces.
• 14:26
  Back
• 14:26
  to
• 14:26
  the
• 14:27
  point
• 14:27
  about
• 14:28
  creators
• 14:29
  knowing
• 14:29
  their
• 14:29
  worth
• 14:30
  or
• 14:30
  the
• 14:30
  value
• 14:31
  of
• 14:31
  what
• 14:31
  they
• 14:32
  have
• 14:32
  created,
• 14:32
  I
• 14:33
  think,
• 14:34
  you
• 14:34
  know,
• 14:35
  we've
• 14:35
  spitballed
• 14:36
  many
• 14:36
  times
• 14:36
  on
• 14:37
  can
• 14:37
  Hollywood
• 14:38
  play
• 14:39
  in
• 14:39
  the
• 14:39
  creator
• 14:40
  economy
• 14:40
  and
• 14:40
  can
• 14:40
  creators
• 14:41
  be
• 14:41
  the
• 14:41
  new
• 14:42
  Hollywood?
• 14:42
  I
• 14:43
  think
• 14:44
  the
• 14:44
  creative
• 14:45
  side
• 14:45
  of
• 14:45
  things
• 14:46
  will
• 14:47
  learn
• 14:47
  the
• 14:47
  art
• 14:47
  of
• 14:48
  that
• 14:48
  deal
• 14:49
  making
• 14:49
  and
• 14:49
  owning
• 14:50
  IP
• 14:50
  much
• 14:50
  quicker
• 14:51
  than
• 14:51
  Hollywood
• 14:52
  will
• 14:52
  learn
• 14:53
  create
• 14:53
  them.
• 14:54
  And
• 14:55
  really,
• 14:55
  you
• 14:55
  know,
• 14:55
  when
• 14:55
  I
• 14:56
  think
• 14:56
  about
• 14:56
  someone
• 14:56
  like
• 14:56
  Simon
• 14:57
  Pullman
• 14:57
  who
• 14:57
  we've
• 14:57
  had
• 14:58
  on
• 14:58
  before,
• 14:58
  he
• 14:58
  was
• 14:59
  working
• 14:59
  with
• 14:59
  creator
• 15:00
  setups
• 15:01
  to
• 15:01
  do
• 15:02
  option
• 15:02
  deals
• 15:03
  for
• 15:03
  Roblox
• 15:04
  experiences.
• 15:05
  You've
• 15:05
  got
• 15:05
  Adam
• 15:05
  Starr,
• 15:06
  he's
• 15:06
  another
• 15:07
  lawyer
• 15:07
  that
• 15:08
  joined
• 15:08
  Do
• 15:08
  Big
• 15:09
  Studios,
• 15:09
  one
• 15:09
  of
• 15:09
  the
• 15:09
  big
• 15:10
  Roblox
• 15:10
  developers
• 15:11
  who
• 15:11
  came
• 15:11
  from
• 15:11
  a
• 15:11
  traditional
• 15:12
  kind
• 15:12
  of
• 15:12
  media
• 15:12
  background.
• 15:13
  I
• 15:13
  think
• 15:14
  they're
• 15:14
  learning
• 15:15
  and
• 15:15
  they're
• 15:15
  learning
• 15:16
  pretty
• 15:17
  quickly.
• 15:17
  So
• 15:18
  I
• 15:18
  would
• 15:19
  be
• 15:19
  surprised
• 15:20
  if
• 15:21
  in
• 15:21
  12
• 15:21
  months
• 15:22
  time
• 15:22
  we
• 15:22
  were
• 15:22
  still
• 15:23
  hearing
• 15:23
  of
• 15:23
  creators
• 15:24
  who
• 15:24
  had
• 15:25
  perhaps
• 15:25
  got
• 15:25
  done
• 15:25
  over
• 15:26
  and
• 15:26
  given
• 15:26
  away
• 15:27
  too
• 15:27
  much
• 15:27
  power.
• 15:27
  I
• 15:28
  think
• 15:28
  they're
• 15:28
  beginning
• 15:28
  to
• 15:28
  wise
• 15:29
  up.
• 15:29
  To
• 15:29
  the
• 15:30
  power
• 15:30
  100%
• 15:32
  and
• 15:32
  that's
• 15:32
  the
• 15:33
  difference.
• 15:33
  I
• 15:33
  was
• 15:33
  having
• 15:33
  this
• 15:34
  conversation
• 15:34
  as
• 15:34
  well
• 15:34
  about
• 15:35
  a
• 15:35
  producer
• 15:35
  versus
• 15:36
  a
• 15:36
  creator.
• 15:37
  The
• 15:37
  traditional
• 15:38
  entertainment
• 15:39
  industry.
• 15:40
  In
• 15:40
  the
• 15:40
  traditional
• 15:41
  entertainment
• 15:41
  industry,
• 15:42
  expertise
• 15:43
  is
• 15:43
  sit
• 15:43
  in
• 15:43
  silos.
• 15:44
  You
• 15:44
  know
• 15:44
  what
• 15:44
  I
• 15:44
  mean?
• 15:44
  You're
• 15:45
  a
• 15:45
  director,
• 15:45
  you're
• 15:45
  a
• 15:46
  writer,
• 15:46
  you're
• 15:46
  a
• 15:46
  producer,
• 15:47
  you
• 15:47
  are
• 15:48
  a
• 15:49
  rigger,
• 15:49
  you're
• 15:50
  an
• 15:50
  animator
• 15:52
  and
• 15:52
  you
• 15:52
  sit
• 15:53
  in
• 15:53
  silos.
• 15:53
  The
• 15:54
  creator
• 15:54
  economy
• 15:55
  doesn't
• 15:55
  tolerate
• 15:55
  that.
• 15:55
  You
• 15:56
  need
• 15:56
  to
• 15:56
  know
• 15:56
  they
• 15:56
  wear
• 15:57
  all
• 15:57
  of
• 15:57
  these
• 15:57
  hats
• 15:58
  in
• 15:58
  one
• 15:58
  person.
• 15:59
  Exactly,
• 15:59
  exactly.
• 16:00
  And
• 16:00
  so
• 16:00
  their
• 16:00
  ability
• 16:01
  to
• 16:01
  adapt,
• 16:02
  their
• 16:02
  ability
• 16:02
  to
• 16:02
  learn
• 16:03
  is
• 16:04
  innate
• 16:04
  to
• 16:05
  the
• 16:05
  environment.
• 16:06
  That's
• 16:06
  brought
• 16:07
  them
• 16:07
  up.
• 16:07
  So
• 16:07
  it's.
• 16:08
  Yeah.
• 16:08
  And
• 16:09
  I
• 16:09
  really.
• 16:09
  The
• 16:09
  other
• 16:10
  thing
• 16:10
  about
• 16:10
  this
• 16:10
  I
• 16:10
  think
• 16:10
  is
• 16:11
  like
• 16:12
  we're
• 16:12
  at
• 16:13
  wave,
• 16:13
  I
• 16:13
  don't
• 16:13
  know,
• 16:14
  first
• 16:14
  wave
• 16:14
  of
• 16:15
  first,
• 16:15
  first
• 16:16
  wave,
• 16:16
  wave
• 16:16
  of
• 16:16
  creators,
• 16:17
  second
• 16:17
  wave
• 16:17
  creators,
• 16:17
  third
• 16:18
  wave
• 16:18
  of
• 16:18
  creators.
• 16:18
  Are
• 16:18
  we
• 16:18
  at
• 16:18
  the
• 16:19
  fourth
• 16:19
  wave
• 16:19
  of
• 16:19
  creators?
• 16:19
  The
• 16:20
  professional
• 16:21
  professionalization
• 16:22
  of
• 16:22
  it
• 16:22
  where,
• 16:22
  you
• 16:23
  know,
• 16:23
  these
• 16:23
  aren't
• 16:23
  people
• 16:24
  who
• 16:24
  are
• 16:24
  just,
• 16:25
  you
• 16:25
  know,
• 16:26
  only
• 16:27
  go
• 16:27
  up
• 16:27
  and
• 16:27
  around
• 16:27
  their
• 16:28
  backyards.
• 16:28
  Right.
• 16:28
  Like
• 16:29
  the
• 16:29
  professionalism
• 16:30
  of
• 16:30
  creators,
• 16:30
  that
• 16:31
  professionalization
• 16:32
  of
• 16:32
  it
• 16:32
  in
• 16:32
  terms
• 16:32
  of,
• 16:33
  you
• 16:33
  know,
• 16:33
  production
• 16:34
  and
• 16:35
  how
• 16:36
  sophisticated
• 16:36
  it
• 16:36
  is,
• 16:37
  is,
• 16:37
  is
• 16:37
  now
• 16:38
  there.
• 16:38
  Right.
• 16:39
  Like
• 16:39
  they
• 16:39
  are
• 16:39
  the
• 16:39
  alter,
• 16:40
  they
• 16:40
  are
• 16:40
  replacing
• 16:41
  Hollywood.
• 16:42
  So
• 16:43
  it's
• 16:43
  not
• 16:43
  just,
• 16:43
  you
• 16:43
  know,
• 16:44
  mom
• 16:44
  and
• 16:44
  pop
• 16:44
  in
• 16:45
  the
• 16:45
  back
• 16:45
  in
• 16:45
  the
• 16:45
  backyard
• 16:46
  shop,
• 16:46
  you
• 16:46
  know,
• 16:46
  trying
• 16:46
  to
• 16:47
  figure
• 16:47
  this
• 16:47
  out.
• 16:47
  These
• 16:47
  are
• 16:48
  people
• 16:48
  who
• 16:48
  are
• 16:49
  doing
• 16:49
  deals
• 16:49
  with
• 16:50
  their,
• 16:50
  you
• 16:50
  know,
• 16:50
  for
• 16:50
  their
• 16:51
  own
• 16:51
  production,
• 16:51
  doing
• 16:51
  deals
• 16:52
  for
• 16:52
  their
• 16:52
  own
• 16:52
  premises,
• 16:53
  all
• 16:53
  that
• 16:53
  kind
• 16:53
  of
• 16:53
  stuff.
• 16:54
  So
• 16:54
  I
• 16:54
  think
• 16:54
  you're
• 16:54
  right,
• 16:55
  Joe.
• 16:55
  I
• 16:55
  think,
• 16:55
  you
• 16:56
  know,
• 16:56
  that
• 16:56
  that
• 16:57
  learning
• 16:57
  curve
• 16:57
  is
• 16:58
  going
• 16:58
  to
• 16:58
  be,
• 16:59
  you
• 16:59
  know,
• 17:00
  pretty
• 17:00
  achievable
• 17:00
  for
• 17:01
  them
• 17:01
  the
• 17:01
  next
• 17:01
  year
• 17:01
  or
• 17:02
  so.
• 17:02
  Yeah,
• 17:02
  yeah,
• 17:03
  yeah.
• 17:03
  The,
• 17:03
  the
• 17:04
  other
• 17:04
  thing
• 17:04
  that
• 17:05
  it
• 17:05
  makes
• 17:05
  me
• 17:05
  wonder
• 17:06
  is.
• 17:07
  So
• 17:07
  there's
• 17:07
  still
• 17:07
  a
• 17:08
  lot
• 17:08
  of
• 17:08
  debate
• 17:08
  about
• 17:09
  the
• 17:10
  social
• 17:11
  media
• 17:11
  ban
• 17:12
  for
• 17:13
  under.
• 17:13
  Six
• 17:14
  things
• 17:14
  she
• 17:14
  cruise
• 17:15
  and
• 17:15
  you're,
• 17:15
  you're
• 17:15
  bringing
• 17:16
  like
• 17:18
  we
• 17:18
  were
• 17:18
  going
• 17:19
  down
• 17:19
  a
• 17:19
  whole
• 17:19
  new
• 17:19
  rabbit
• 17:19
  hole
• 17:20
  now.
• 17:21
  But
• 17:21
  it's
• 17:22
  connected
• 17:22
  because
• 17:23
  I
• 17:23
  feel
• 17:23
  like
• 17:24
  the
• 17:24
  success
• 17:25
  of
• 17:25
  all
• 17:25
  of
• 17:26
  these
• 17:26
  creator
• 17:26
  made
• 17:27
  movies,
• 17:28
  the
• 17:28
  social
• 17:28
  media
• 17:29
  aspect
• 17:29
  of
• 17:30
  it
• 17:31
  is
• 17:31
  a
• 17:31
  big
• 17:31
  component
• 17:32
  of
• 17:32
  it.
• 17:33
  So
• 17:34
  and,
• 17:34
  and
• 17:34
  that
• 17:35
  audience,
• 17:35
  I,
• 17:36
  I
• 17:36
  would
• 17:36
  imagine
• 17:37
  there's
• 17:37
  a
• 17:37
  sizable
• 17:38
  audience
• 17:38
  that
• 17:39
  even
• 17:39
  though
• 17:40
  digital
• 17:40
  circus
• 17:41
  is
• 17:42
  pitched
• 17:42
  at
• 17:42
  an
• 17:42
  older
• 17:43
  audience,
• 17:43
  I
• 17:44
  still
• 17:44
  imagine
• 17:45
  that
• 17:45
  you're
• 17:46
  having
• 17:46
  some
• 17:47
  audience,
• 17:47
  some
• 17:47
  younger
• 17:48
  audiences
• 17:48
  that
• 17:49
  are
• 17:49
  under
• 17:49
  that
• 17:49
  16
• 17:51
  line.
• 17:51
  And
• 17:52
  how
• 17:52
  does,
• 17:52
  how
• 17:53
  does
• 17:53
  that
• 17:53
  impact
• 17:53
  or
• 17:54
  change
• 17:55
  the
• 17:55
  way
• 17:56
  those
• 17:57
  movies
• 17:57
  are
• 17:57
  promoted
• 17:58
  in
• 17:58
  the
• 17:58
  future?
• 17:59
  Kind
• 17:59
  of.
• 17:59
  That's
• 17:59
  something
• 18:00
  that's
• 18:00
  maybe
• 18:00
  not
• 18:01
  an
• 18:01
  answer.
• 18:01
  There's
• 18:02
  maybe
• 18:02
  no
• 18:02
  answer
• 18:03
  to
• 18:03
  that.
• 18:03
  But
• 18:04
  I,
• 18:05
  I'm
• 18:05
  curious
• 18:05
  to
• 18:06
  see
• 18:06
  what
• 18:06
  will
• 18:06
  happen
• 18:06
  on
• 18:06
  that.
• 18:07
  Yeah,
• 18:07
  I
• 18:08
  think
• 18:08
  it
• 18:08
  materially
• 18:09
  hampers
• 18:10
  the
• 18:10
  ability
• 18:10
  to
• 18:11
  get
• 18:11
  to
• 18:11
  that
• 18:11
  stage
• 18:12
  where
• 18:12
  people
• 18:13
  absolutely
• 18:14
  will
• 18:14
  mobilize
• 18:15
  and
• 18:15
  follow
• 18:15
  their
• 18:16
  favorite
• 18:16
  creator
• 18:17
  or
• 18:17
  their
• 18:18
  favorite
• 18:19
  animation
• 18:20
  created
• 18:20
  by.
• 18:20
  I
• 18:21
  mean,
• 18:21
  you
• 18:21
  know,
• 18:21
  Gooseworx
• 18:22
  is
• 18:22
  credited
• 18:23
  as
• 18:23
  being
• 18:23
  the
• 18:23
  creator
• 18:24
  of
• 18:25
  amazing
• 18:25
  Digital
• 18:26
  Circus
• 18:27
  within
• 18:27
  with
• 18:27
  glitch,
• 18:28
  but
• 18:29
  I
• 18:30
  think
• 18:30
  it
• 18:30
  materially
• 18:30
  hampers
• 18:31
  that
• 18:31
  ability
• 18:32
  to
• 18:32
  mobilize.
• 18:33
  Now
• 18:33
  we
• 18:34
  in
• 18:34
  kids
• 18:34
  media
• 18:35
  have
• 18:35
  been
• 18:35
  living
• 18:36
  with
• 18:36
  that
• 18:36
  for
• 18:36
  a
• 18:36
  while
• 18:36
  because
• 18:38
  regulation
• 18:39
  precludes
• 18:39
  them
• 18:39
  from
• 18:40
  being
• 18:40
  able
• 18:40
  to
• 18:40
  make
• 18:40
  comments
• 18:41
  and
• 18:41
  share
• 18:41
  and
• 18:42
  do
• 18:42
  all
• 18:42
  of
• 18:42
  those
• 18:43
  things
• 18:43
  that
• 18:43
  have
• 18:43
  propelled
• 18:44
  the
• 18:45
  Curry
• 18:45
  Parsons
• 18:46
  and
• 18:46
  the
• 18:46
  Curry
• 18:47
  barkers
• 18:47
  and
• 18:47
  the
• 18:47
  Kane
• 18:47
  Parsons
• 18:48
  and
• 18:49
  all
• 18:49
  of
• 18:49
  those
• 18:50
  IP
• 18:50
  into
• 18:50
  this.
• 18:52
  This
• 18:52
  voracious
• 18:53
  fandom.
• 18:54
  But
• 18:55
  if
• 18:55
  you
• 18:55
  turn
• 18:56
  it
• 18:56
  off
• 18:56
  for
• 18:56
  all
• 18:56
  under
• 18:57
  16s,
• 18:57
  yeah,
• 18:57
  I
• 18:57
  think
• 18:58
  something
• 18:58
  like
• 18:58
  Amazing
• 18:58
  Digital
• 18:59
  Circus
• 18:59
  would
• 19:00
  really,
• 19:00
  would
• 19:01
  really
• 19:01
  have
• 19:01
  suffered
• 19:02
  because
• 19:02
  like
• 19:02
  we
• 19:03
  said
• 19:03
  on,
• 19:03
  on
• 19:03
  last
• 19:03
  week's
• 19:05
  pod,
• 19:06
  you
• 19:06
  know,
• 19:06
  it
• 19:07
  is
• 19:07
  every
• 19:08
  comment,
• 19:08
  every
• 19:09
  share,
• 19:09
  every
• 19:09
  remix,
• 19:10
  every
• 19:10
  something
• 19:10
  is
• 19:11
  an
• 19:11
  investment
• 19:12
  by
• 19:12
  a
• 19:12
  fan
• 19:12
  in
• 19:13
  that
• 19:13
  creator.
• 19:14
  It's
• 19:14
  a
• 19:14
  level
• 19:15
  deeper
• 19:15
  in
• 19:15
  terms
• 19:16
  of
• 19:16
  love
• 19:16
  and
• 19:16
  trust
• 19:17
  and
• 19:17
  affinity
• 19:18
  that
• 19:18
  ultimately
• 19:19
  then
• 19:19
  when
• 19:19
  they
• 19:19
  ask
• 19:20
  you
• 19:20
  to
• 19:20
  go
• 19:20
  and
• 19:20
  buy
• 19:20
  a
• 19:20
  cinema
• 19:21
  ticket
• 19:21
  to
• 19:21
  go
• 19:21
  and
• 19:21
  watch
• 19:21
  it
• 19:22
  in
• 19:22
  the
• 19:22
  cinema,
• 19:22
  you
• 19:22
  go,
• 19:22
  yes.
• 19:23
  I
• 19:23
  mean,
• 19:23
  don't
• 19:24
  you.
• 19:24
  You
• 19:24
  don't
• 19:24
  think
• 19:24
  twice.
• 19:25
  So,
• 19:26
  yeah.
• 19:26
  Be
• 19:27
  interesting
• 19:27
  to
• 19:27
  see
• 19:28
  what
• 19:28
  happens
• 19:28
  with
• 19:28
  that.
• 19:29
  I
• 19:29
  think.
• 19:29
  I'm
• 19:30
  not
• 19:30
  personally
• 19:31
  for
• 19:31
  it,
• 19:32
  not
• 19:32
  that
• 19:32
  I
• 19:32
  don't
• 19:32
  think
• 19:32
  there
• 19:33
  needs
• 19:33
  to
• 19:33
  be
• 19:33
  regulation
• 19:33
  and
• 19:34
  safeguards,
• 19:35
  but
• 19:35
  I
• 19:35
  think
• 19:36
  a
• 19:36
  whole
• 19:36
  ban
• 19:37
  for
• 19:37
  under
• 19:37
  16s,
• 19:38
  I
• 19:38
  think
• 19:38
  it's
• 19:39
  potentially
• 19:41
  squashes
• 19:42
  any
• 19:42
  future
• 19:42
  Amazing
• 19:43
  Digital
• 19:43
  Circus
• 19:45
  out
• 19:45
  there.
• 19:47
  I
• 19:47
  think
• 19:47
  with
• 19:48
  the
• 19:48
  band
• 19:48
  situation,
• 19:48
  we're
• 19:49
  kind
• 19:49
  of
• 19:49
  like,
• 19:51
  we're
• 19:51
  in
• 19:51
  the
• 19:51
  moment
• 19:52
  where
• 19:52
  the
• 19:52
  waiter
• 19:53
  has
• 19:53
  tripped
• 19:54
  the
• 19:54
  tray
• 19:55
  is
• 19:55
  going
• 19:55
  up
• 19:55
  in
• 19:55
  the
• 19:55
  air
• 19:58
  and
• 19:58
  we're
• 19:58
  waiting
• 19:59
  to
• 19:59
  see
• 19:59
  what.
• 20:00
  How
• 20:01
  everything
• 20:01
  lands.
• 20:01
  Basically.
• 20:02
  I
• 20:03
  think
• 20:03
  you're
• 20:03
  right.
• 20:03
  It
• 20:03
  is
• 20:04
  a
• 20:04
  real
• 20:04
  moment
• 20:04
  of
• 20:04
  transition.
• 20:05
  It
• 20:05
  is
• 20:05
  a
• 20:05
  real
• 20:06
  moment
• 20:06
  to
• 20:07
  profoundly
• 20:08
  shape
• 20:09
  and
• 20:09
  change
• 20:09
  the
• 20:10
  fabric
• 20:10
  of
• 20:10
  the
• 20:10
  Internet
• 20:11
  as
• 20:11
  we
• 20:11
  know
• 20:11
  it.
• 20:12
  And
• 20:12
  I
• 20:12
  don't
• 20:12
  think
• 20:12
  I'm
• 20:13
  being
• 20:13
  overly
• 20:13
  dramatic
• 20:13
  in
• 20:14
  that.
• 20:14
  And,
• 20:15
  and
• 20:15
  it's
• 20:15
  not
• 20:15
  to
• 20:16
  say
• 20:16
  that
• 20:16
  I
• 20:16
  expect
• 20:16
  bands
• 20:17
  to
• 20:17
  come
• 20:17
  in
• 20:17
  and,
• 20:17
  and
• 20:18
  14
• 20:18
  year
• 20:18
  olds
• 20:19
  not
• 20:19
  to
• 20:19
  be
• 20:19
  online.
• 20:21
  That's
• 20:22
  probably
• 20:22
  the
• 20:22
  least
• 20:23
  likely
• 20:23
  thing
• 20:23
  that's
• 20:24
  gonna
• 20:24
  happen.
• 20:25
  It's,
• 20:25
  you
• 20:25
  know,
• 20:26
  the
• 20:26
  ways
• 20:26
  that
• 20:26
  they
• 20:26
  will
• 20:27
  find
• 20:27
  to
• 20:27
  be
• 20:27
  online
• 20:28
  are
• 20:28
  still
• 20:28
  to
• 20:28
  be
• 20:29
  written
• 20:30
  and
• 20:30
  the
• 20:31
  outcome
• 20:31
  of
• 20:31
  that
• 20:32
  is
• 20:32
  still
• 20:32
  to
• 20:32
  be
• 20:32
  divined.
• 20:33
  So
• 20:34
  yeah,
• 20:34
  I
• 20:35
  do,
• 20:35
  I,
• 20:35
  I
• 20:35
  think
• 20:35
  those
• 20:36
  bands
• 20:36
  coming
• 20:36
  in
• 20:38
  or
• 20:38
  age
• 20:38
  restrictions
• 20:41
  will
• 20:42
  materially
• 20:42
  impact
• 20:43
  the
• 20:43
  fabric
• 20:43
  of
• 20:43
  the
• 20:43
  Internet
• 20:44
  in
• 20:44
  ways
• 20:44
  that
• 20:44
  we
• 20:45
  will
• 20:45
  not
• 20:45
  be
• 20:45
  able
• 20:45
  to,
• 20:46
  to
• 20:47
  forecast.
• 20:48
  And
• 20:48
  yeah,
• 20:49
  I
• 20:49
  know
• 20:49
  that's
• 20:49
  not,
• 20:50
  that's
• 20:50
  not,
• 20:50
  that's
• 20:50
  not
• 20:51
  an
• 20:51
  answer,
• 20:51
  but
• 20:51
  that's.
• 20:52
  Yeah,
• 20:53
  I
• 20:53
  might
• 20:53
  buy
• 20:54
  some
• 20:54
  shares
• 20:54
  in
• 20:54
  VPN
• 20:55
  companies
• 20:55
  though.
• 20:55
  Yeah,
• 20:56
  yeah,
• 20:57
  yeah,
• 20:57
  I
• 20:58
  kind
• 20:58
  of,
• 20:59
  I
• 20:59
  think
• 20:59
  it
• 20:59
  might.
• 20:59
  It'll
• 21:00
  be
• 21:00
  interesting
• 21:00
  also
• 21:01
  to
• 21:01
  see
• 21:01
  how
• 21:03
  what
• 21:03
  that
• 21:03
  actually
• 21:04
  means
• 21:04
  in.
• 21:05
  There's
• 21:05
  a
• 21:05
  lot
• 21:05
  of
• 21:05
  discussion
• 21:06
  in
• 21:06
  terms
• 21:06
  of
• 21:07
  the
• 21:07
  changes
• 21:08
  that,
• 21:09
  that
• 21:09
  people
• 21:09
  are
• 21:09
  talking
• 21:10
  about.
• 21:10
  But
• 21:11
  yeah,
• 21:11
  the
• 21:11
  proof
• 21:11
  will
• 21:12
  be.
• 21:13
  The
• 21:13
  proof
• 21:13
  will
• 21:14
  be
• 21:14
  in
• 21:14
  kind
• 21:14
  of
• 21:14
  the
• 21:14
  actual
• 21:15
  what
• 21:16
  happens,
• 21:17
  what
• 21:17
  happens
• 21:17
  in
• 21:18
  reality
• 21:18
  and
• 21:18
  what
• 21:18
  the
• 21:19
  experience
• 21:19
  is
• 21:19
  like.
• 21:20
  And
• 21:20
  I
• 21:21
  hope
• 21:21
  that
• 21:22
  there's.
• 21:24
  Because
• 21:24
  I
• 21:24
  don't,
• 21:25
  I
• 21:25
  don't
• 21:25
  think
• 21:25
  it's.
• 21:26
  I
• 21:26
  don't
• 21:26
  think
• 21:27
  a
• 21:27
  fair
• 21:27
  solution
• 21:28
  will
• 21:28
  just
• 21:28
  be
• 21:28
  to
• 21:28
  shut
• 21:29
  under
• 21:30
  sixteens
• 21:30
  out
• 21:31
  from.
• 21:31
  Be
• 21:31
  able
• 21:31
  to
• 21:31
  play
• 21:33
  within
• 21:34
  the,
• 21:34
  to
• 21:35
  sort
• 21:35
  of
• 21:35
  play
• 21:35
  on
• 21:35
  the
• 21:35
  Internet
• 21:36
  and
• 21:36
  learn
• 21:36
  on
• 21:36
  the
• 21:36
  Internet.
• 21:37
  Because
• 21:38
  there
• 21:38
  are
• 21:38
  a
• 21:39
  lot
• 21:39
  of
• 21:39
  bad
• 21:39
  things
• 21:40
  that
• 21:40
  we
• 21:40
  talk
• 21:40
  about
• 21:41
  from
• 21:41
  social
• 21:42
  media
• 21:42
  and,
• 21:43
  and
• 21:43
  the
• 21:44
  Internet
• 21:44
  in
• 21:44
  general,
• 21:45
  but
• 21:45
  there's
• 21:45
  also
• 21:45
  some
• 21:46
  good
• 21:46
  things.
• 21:46
  I
• 21:46
  mean,
• 21:46
  it's.
• 21:47
  If
• 21:48
  you're,
• 21:50
  you
• 21:50
  can
• 21:50
  find
• 21:51
  your
• 21:51
  tribe
• 21:51
  online
• 21:51
  that
• 21:52
  you
• 21:52
  might
• 21:52
  not
• 21:52
  be
• 21:52
  able
• 21:52
  to
• 21:53
  find
• 21:53
  kind
• 21:54
  of
• 21:54
  in
• 21:54
  your
• 21:54
  neighborhood.
• 21:55
  And
• 21:55
  it
• 21:55
  can
• 21:55
  be
• 21:57
  a
• 21:57
  way
• 21:57
  to
• 21:57
  kind
• 21:58
  of
• 21:58
  to
• 21:58
  develop
• 21:59
  your
• 21:59
  own
• 21:59
  sense
• 21:59
  of
• 22:00
  identity
• 22:00
  as
• 22:00
  well.
• 22:01
  Isn't
• 22:02
  one
• 22:02
  of
• 22:02
  the
• 22:02
  lads
• 22:02
  who
• 22:02
  directed
• 22:03
  one
• 22:03
  of
• 22:03
  those
• 22:03
  movies
• 22:03
  itself
• 22:04
  top
• 22:04
  Blender
• 22:04
  off
• 22:05
  the
• 22:05
  Internet?
• 22:05
  Yeah,
• 22:05
  I
• 22:06
  mean,
• 22:06
  so
• 22:06
  Kane
• 22:07
  Parsons,
• 22:07
  I
• 22:08
  think,
• 22:08
  started
• 22:08
  on
• 22:08
  Discord
• 22:10
  at
• 22:11
  14
• 22:11
  and
• 22:11
  taught
• 22:12
  himself
• 22:12
  Blender.
• 22:13
  That's
• 22:13
  a
• 22:13
  classic
• 22:13
  example
• 22:14
  of
• 22:14
  something
• 22:14
  where
• 22:15
  social
• 22:15
  media
• 22:16
  enables
• 22:17
  that
• 22:18
  kind
• 22:18
  of
• 22:18
  self
• 22:19
  learning
• 22:19
  and
• 22:19
  discovery.
• 22:21
  And
• 22:21
  that's
• 22:21
  not
• 22:21
  to
• 22:21
  say
• 22:21
  he
• 22:21
  didn't
• 22:22
  find
• 22:22
  any
• 22:22
  pornography
• 22:23
  on
• 22:24
  Discord
• 22:24
  alongside
• 22:25
  the
• 22:25
  Blender
• 22:26
  tutorials.
• 22:27
  Right.
• 22:27
  That's
• 22:28
  the
• 22:28
  real.
• 22:30
  Yes.
• 22:31
  All
• 22:31
  right.
• 22:31
  On
• 22:31
  that
• 22:31
  note,
• 22:32
  yes,
• 22:34
  that's
• 22:34
  a
• 22:35
  perfect.
• 22:35
  Place
• 22:35
  to
• 22:36
  end
• 22:36
  it.
• 22:37
  To
• 22:37
  end
• 22:37
  the
• 22:37
  kids
• 22:37
  with
• 22:38
  the
• 22:38
  podcast
• 22:39
  pornography
• 22:40
  on
• 22:40
  Discord.
• 22:41
  I
• 22:41
  feel
• 22:41
  like
• 22:42
  I
• 22:42
  should
• 22:42
  pay
• 22:42
  responsibility
• 22:43
  for
• 22:43
  throwing
• 22:44
  that
• 22:44
  hand
• 22:44
  grenade
• 22:44
  in
• 22:45
  about
• 22:45
  the
• 22:46
  social
• 22:46
  media.
• 22:46
  It
• 22:46
  was
• 22:47
  all
• 22:47
  going
• 22:47
  so
• 22:47
  well
• 22:48
  and
• 22:48
  so
• 22:48
  positive
• 22:48
  before
• 22:49
  you
• 22:49
  were
• 22:49
  talking
• 22:49
  about
• 22:50
  creator
• 22:50
  movies.
• 22:55
  Anyway,
• 22:55
  so
• 22:56
  should
• 22:56
  I
• 22:56
  do
• 22:56
  a
• 22:56
  wrap
• 22:56
  up?
• 22:57
  Yes,
• 22:57
  do.
• 22:57
  Before,
• 22:58
  before
• 22:58
  you
• 22:58
  say
• 22:59
  anything
• 22:59
  else.
• 22:59
  Yes.
• 23:01
  So
• 23:01
  we
• 23:01
  hope
• 23:01
  you
• 23:02
  enjoyed
• 23:02
  that.
• 23:02
  We'd
• 23:02
  love
• 23:03
  to
• 23:03
  hear
• 23:03
  what
• 23:03
  you
• 23:03
  think
• 23:04
  about
• 23:04
  Digital
• 23:05
  Circus,
• 23:05
  creator
• 23:06
  made
• 23:06
  movies,
• 23:07
  even
• 23:08
  a
• 23:08
  comment
• 23:08
  on
• 23:10
  the
• 23:10
  social
• 23:11
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• 23:11
  regulations.
• 23:12
  And
• 23:14
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• 23:17
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• 23:17
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• 23:17
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• 23:18
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• 23:18
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• 23:19
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