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The Age of the Crakow, Part 2: A Fashion Arms Race, But For Your Feet · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always
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  Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Yeah, I'm over here in
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  Speaker 1: in my wife's shoe collection. I'm trying to find the
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  Speaker 1: pointy of shoes in there, and you know what, nothing
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  Speaker 1: is over a couple of centimeters. I'm really I'm sadden,
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  Speaker 1: I'm saddened. Well, I'll be a pumped up reebok. Matt Frederick,
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  Speaker 1: you've returned for part two of our story on crack
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  Speaker 1: ow the weird pointy shoes of medieval Europe. That yep,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here. I am Nope, I'm here. That's okay. Now, Now,
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  Speaker 1: for everyone who hasn't somehow listened to part one, please
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  Speaker 1: do check it out. It's a lot of fun. We
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  Speaker 1: skirted with a little bit of danger there at the end, Matt,
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  Speaker 1: but we got away clean, as we have often in
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  Speaker 1: the past. Knockout wood and uh right now. Wanted to
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  Speaker 1: check in with you before we moved to part two.
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  Speaker 1: How you feeling about the weird history of these weird shootes? Oh? Man,
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  Speaker 1: I am feeling, you know what, really optimistic that there's
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  Speaker 1: even more ridiculous stuff that we're about to talk about today,
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  Speaker 1: I've I've consumed an entire forty eight fluid ounces of
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  Speaker 1: Khalifa Colderbrew, and I am feeling ready to rock. Then,
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  Speaker 1: without further ado, thanks to our super producers Casey Pegrim
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  Speaker 1: guest producers Andrew Howard and Max Williams, away we go
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  Speaker 1: Part two of Weirdly Weirdly Pointy Shoes. These shoes, these poolines,
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  Speaker 1: they're not seeing as a fat They're seen as a symbol,
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  Speaker 1: a way of communicating that one is doing well in
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  Speaker 1: the world. So it's funny because they may have also
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  Speaker 1: been a form of like a predecessor of what's called
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  Speaker 1: retail therapy today. According to some historians, medieval fashion at
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  Speaker 1: the time was largely known for its clean lines and
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  Speaker 1: this kind of chased minimalism. So maybe, and again this
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  Speaker 1: is speculation. Maybe a good explanation for this flamboyance is
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  Speaker 1: that the shoes emerged onto the scene very shortly after
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  Speaker 1: the Black Death killed like thirty maybe sixty of the
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  Speaker 1: European population. So you've survived, made it out. Yeah, Now
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  Speaker 1: you can wear these things around and be a bit
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  Speaker 1: frivolous because life is short. No, but that totally makes
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  Speaker 1: sense psychologically, why something that's a little perhaps stranger to
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  Speaker 1: the everyday person would be just more accepted. And it
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  Speaker 1: really makes me think about the fashion trends that are
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  Speaker 1: going to be coming out in the next couple of
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  Speaker 1: years across the world. Right now, right, I hope masks
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  Speaker 1: stay around. Mask are awesome. I think they will. I
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  Speaker 1: was actually perusing l ed types of masks, and I
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  Speaker 1: was even looking at gauntlets. There are some incredible Etsy
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  Speaker 1: cyberpunk gauntlets that you can just buy and and you
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  Speaker 1: know you could. It's every day you stuff. I always think, oh,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that's a dragon Con thing. But dragon Con is
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  Speaker 1: not going to be a thing anymore, or Comic Con
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  Speaker 1: or any of these things. They just don't exist anymore.
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  Speaker 1: But I can wear a gauntlet at home. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta be the dragon Con you wish to see in
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  Speaker 1: the world. I think that's Gandhi or was a guy
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  Speaker 1: dressed as Gandhi at dragon pot He told me that
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  Speaker 1: got it? That makes a lot of sense. I think
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  Speaker 1: I met him too. I think he did. He's a
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  Speaker 1: friend of this show. So we know that there is
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  Speaker 1: a cultural context from which this popularity may have arisen,
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  Speaker 1: but it kept as controversy as it continued. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's something that's often it's considered like the first
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  Speaker 1: the domain of the elite. But then the church begins
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  Speaker 1: to attack it. Remember we said they called him devil's fingers.
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  Speaker 1: They said that these pointy shoes, the Plaine was encouraging
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  Speaker 1: what they called um. They meant a different thing by this,
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  Speaker 1: but what they called sodomy. Sodomy was at the time
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  Speaker 1: just a catch all term for any kind of sex
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  Speaker 1: or sexual act considered nonstandard. So basically, if you're not
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  Speaker 1: married right and having sexual relationships for the sole purpose
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  Speaker 1: of procreation very specific and orthodox way, in a very
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  Speaker 1: specific way, then you're breaking the rules and anything else
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  Speaker 1: is deviant and an aberration. And so members of the
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  Speaker 1: public start associate extravagant fashions in general, and pointy shoes
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  Speaker 1: in particular, with alternative or deviant sexuality. Just picture a
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  Speaker 1: religious authority saying and there are there were also there
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  Speaker 1: also very long, usurious locks like therese of women then
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  Speaker 1: shuts two tights through the tight unique unseemly it's the
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  Speaker 1: end of days. So we talked about how the Black
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  Speaker 1: Death rolled through killed lots and lots of people, and
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  Speaker 1: it was said by clergy that this that one of
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  Speaker 1: the reasons that the Black Death came through and all
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  Speaker 1: of these people are being punished, it was because of
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  Speaker 1: the sexual deviancies, right, and these poo lanes were a
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  Speaker 1: symbol of that. And you can also see why maybe
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  Speaker 1: there was a push or an underground push for the
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  Speaker 1: pooh lanes because it was almost this It was almost
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  Speaker 1: symbolic of freedom or or um, the thing that everybody
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  Speaker 1: pushes for throughout history at some point or another in
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  Speaker 1: these waves of just trying to show that you don't
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  Speaker 1: have to conform this like minor nonconformity thing, but doing
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  Speaker 1: it in small ways, I don't know, very symbolic. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, because people want to be free to
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  Speaker 1: arrive at their own definitions of themselves, which I think
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  Speaker 1: is an inherently human and noble thing. But then also
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  Speaker 1: control over how people are allowed to present themselves is
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  Speaker 1: a big deal to authorities throughout history, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: everything from haircuts to clothing to food too. More So,
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  Speaker 1: the Church doesn't like this, and they have they have
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  Speaker 1: these different reasons, so they say, yes, it's indicative of
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  Speaker 1: sexually proclivities, which a seemly and ungodly. But if you
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  Speaker 1: think about it, there's a good argument that the poolane
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  Speaker 1: could be regarded as foul. It's a long, tippy shoe
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  Speaker 1: and they are mostly worn by well to do young
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  Speaker 1: men and then later as young men in general, who
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  Speaker 1: reportedly would stand on street corners and like wiggle them
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  Speaker 1: at people, and people started to say, well, they're starting
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  Speaker 1: to be the stereotype where folks would say, if somebody
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  Speaker 1: wears poulines with bells sewn to the end of them,
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  Speaker 1: what they're telling you is that they're available for the
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  Speaker 1: sick hute flicks man. I wish that guy that we
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  Speaker 1: won't name us here because I want to ask him
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  Speaker 1: whether or not that's where the term bell end came from. Okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we'll ask him later last after this show, we'll text
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  Speaker 1: the yes. So, like you said, this is something that
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  Speaker 1: later historians, especially in the queer community, had looked into,
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  Speaker 1: right at, this sort of idea of using fashion as
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  Speaker 1: almost another language, a non verbal language to convey ones, positions, intentions, desires,
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  Speaker 1: and aims. That's a brilliant thing that continues today in
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of parts of the world. But here's the argument.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the argument I thought was kind of the most disingenuous.
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  Speaker 1: The church also said that really long poulanes were bad
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  Speaker 1: because they stopped people from being able to kneel, so
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  Speaker 1: then they stop people from praying, and priests started calling
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  Speaker 1: them Satan's clause because of this. The reason I think
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  Speaker 1: that's silly is it makes the assumption that polanes are
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  Speaker 1: an irremovable shoe that doesn't happen. The closest thing people
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  Speaker 1: have to an irremovable you is the foot or the
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  Speaker 1: skin of the foot. Yeah. I mean some of these,
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  Speaker 1: some of these boots with like the elaborate stuff you
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  Speaker 1: gotta do to tighten them and get them on, those
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  Speaker 1: are almost, you know, irremovable unless you really want to
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  Speaker 1: put some thought and time into it. Yeah, you're right,
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  Speaker 1: that's the time commitment, right. But you see what I'm saying, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like they just didn't like stuff that was popular,
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  Speaker 1: which is weird because the you know, and and I
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  Speaker 1: say this with full respect, but if you look at
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  Speaker 1: the history of the importance that European religious institutions put
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  Speaker 1: on who can or cannot wear certain types of uniform
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  Speaker 1: or fashion, whether they are layer, clergy, etcetera, that it
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  Speaker 1: tracts to me that they would be very sensitive to
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  Speaker 1: changes in fashion because in a way they kind of
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  Speaker 1: had this conception that everyone should have a rough uniform,
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  Speaker 1: the k should dress differently from the priests, the pope
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  Speaker 1: or the peasant. Well. Yeah, and speaking of the pope,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember when Pope Urban I believe the fifth,
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  Speaker 1: was like, guess what, can't wear these anymore? Too bad?
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  Speaker 1: I know you love them, don't care. I can't. That's it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm going back inside to put on my
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  Speaker 1: poo lanes because I'm the pope. Pope, I call it
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  Speaker 1: pope lanes. This is my thing. Now, it's my thing.
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  Speaker 1: Now there's a pope choose. It's interesting because he did
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  Speaker 1: issue that edict and nobody really listened to it. They
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  Speaker 1: were like, you'll take these poolanes from my cold dead toes.
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  Speaker 1: So eventually, as this the vicious sexual connotation of the
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  Speaker 1: poulane continues and it becomes more a known and accepted thing,
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  Speaker 1: the English Crown feels like they have to step in
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  Speaker 1: because essentially they were saying, it's like, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: longer need to on a poolane, the more masculine the man,
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  Speaker 1: and uh people didn't like that. Some people didn't like that.
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  Speaker 1: They were like, don't judge me by my foot game,
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  Speaker 1: and so yeah, well you know what they say about
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  Speaker 1: a guy with a really long poolane, he doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: a job. Well, or these do have a job. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Uh but yeah, the was it the British Crown or
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  Speaker 1: the Parliament? It was it was a British authority stepped
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  Speaker 1: forward and said, guess what, we are going to ban
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  Speaker 1: these now. So the church banned them, and now the
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  Speaker 1: secular authority comes through and says, uh, sorry, yes they
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  Speaker 1: banned them. Parliament says wearing these types of shoes is
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  Speaker 1: now equivalent to public indecency, but only if you're not rich.
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  Speaker 1: They say, no person under the estate of Lord can
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  Speaker 1: wear any gown, jacket or coat that does not cover
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  Speaker 1: the genitals and buttocks. Also, you can't wear any shoes
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  Speaker 1: or boots with pikes those points longer than two inches,
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  Speaker 1: And no tailor can make a short garment or stuffed
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  Speaker 1: doublet and no shoe maker can make you know, long
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  Speaker 1: pointy shoes anymore. It's a law from fourteen sixty three.
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  Speaker 1: They had other stuff to do that day, but they
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  Speaker 1: chose to do that. Well, I mean, I get it
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  Speaker 1: like making crunchless doubloons is like, uhloons? Is that that's
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  Speaker 1: not the right word. What's the doublet? Not a doublet?
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  Speaker 1: What's the there's pantaloons, breaches? How about grieves? Note those
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  Speaker 1: are fortions? Uh? How about ty ones? Uh? Yeah? But
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  Speaker 1: like you were saying, I'm gonna say, yeah, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just can't get over an edict saying
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  Speaker 1: no tailor, she'll make anything. What it was what was
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  Speaker 1: your quote? Not cover the genitals and buttocks? Yes, yeah
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  Speaker 1: you have, but it's okay if you're the lord or
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  Speaker 1: over the king can do what he wishes with his Australia,
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  Speaker 1: but everybody else has to cover it up. And this
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  Speaker 1: is the sumptuary law we're talking about earlier. These set out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, exactly what you were describing earlier, Matt a
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  Speaker 1: very specific kind of plane length based on one social class,
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  Speaker 1: and it was argued that he was okay for barons
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  Speaker 1: and nights to have longer points because they were less
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  Speaker 1: susceptible to the sinful things that wearing these shoes would
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  Speaker 1: tempt you to do. The only other city that took
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  Speaker 1: a stand against this was Paris. They banned them in
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  Speaker 1: thirteen sixty eight, but it came and went. You know,
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  Speaker 1: that's how fashion is. It's cyclical. By fourteen seventy five,
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  Speaker 1: the poulane had largely vanished. European footwear under King Henry
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  Speaker 1: the Eighth got really into a wide box toed shoes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a real reaction to the plane there. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: then later England past laws restricting the width of the shoes.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, you can imagine the craziness they could could
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  Speaker 1: happen there with the width of shoes. Isn't there a
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  Speaker 1: thing where people were going around like trying to stop
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  Speaker 1: people in the streets and say, oh, hold on this,
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  Speaker 1: let me take again. That's dying shoes. The width appear
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  Speaker 1: to be too much. They feed a wide natural. Look,
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  Speaker 1: we got shoveled feet. We shall see the old to
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  Speaker 1: me run this is he's got a very short like
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  Speaker 1: walking spans, a short, short man with wide feet, so
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  Speaker 1: he's kind of like a speed penguin. Actually, change it,
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  Speaker 1: it's a penguin. It's a penguin. They didn't know because
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  Speaker 1: they haven't seen penguins yet, speak terrible accent. I wonder like,
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  Speaker 1: it's so funny to be the concept of modifying shoe
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  Speaker 1: fashion to the point where it gets outlawed. But the
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  Speaker 1: the utility of the fashion change is so anti escape,
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  Speaker 1: like it makes it so much more difficult to escape
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  Speaker 1: any any situation where an authority is attempting to stop
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  Speaker 1: whaling vessel. There were no local records of such a
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  Speaker 1: ship and archaeologists are puzzled as to how it got there.
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  Speaker 1: Begin the time and the timing begins. Now we have
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  Speaker 1: three minutes. Matt Okay, Okay, m clay Streets in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 1: Neantic is the name of the ship? Okay? Does is me? Thinking? Allows? Yeah,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: we're not asking it. If we want to ask a question,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: we say that thing and then we ask yes, yes,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: that's right, Matt. So like so soon may the Williman come? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Mr Bolin. So the third one was to Peka, Kansas.
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  Speaker 1: That's correct. They've discovered a ship. No one knows how
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  Speaker 1: it got there, just south of the Kansas River. What
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  Speaker 1: was the age of it? Again, they had not determined it.
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  Speaker 1: According to the source I saw, they suspected it was
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  Speaker 1: from the nineteenth century. Okay, sweet, soon may the Williman come? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Not Noel. So you've got sources for these and one
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: of them is completely makes up seas and you've just
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: told us you have a source. Are you allowed to
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: lie even further? Quister? Absolutely crap, I've been lying this time.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: That might they might be three made up praise stories there,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: and I would really get you in the past. In
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: his defense, the quister has said it will not split
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: hairs and have I do not alter tiny details just
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  Speaker 1: to make something lie. So in other words, if the
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: ship's name wasn't Niantic, would that invalidate the first one? Well,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't go so far as that. So either there
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: is or there is not a ship named Niantic that
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: was buried under San Francisco. Okay, okay, so we've got
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: so me the Williman. Yes, what was scenario too? Again?
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: And two? Was that an old town Alexandria during the
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: construction process for a hotel at the waterfront, they discovered
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: an American Revolutionary era warship buried under ground. Okay, um,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Matt, I'm going to say that I
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: feel like number one is true. I feel like I've
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: heard that story before, maybe without knowing the Pokemon Go connection,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: but I feel like I've heard that story before. Here's
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: the deal. I feel like I've heard it too. But
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: that's what's making it so suspect to me, because it
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: feels like I've heard it. We have I know, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I do. We do? You and I have to be okay,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: all right, what do you think if we if we
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: chose two or three if we just let's bet on
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: ourselves for one between two or three? Which is which
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: is fake? Oh? Man, So Kansas is by the river,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: he has stated, Alexandria, Virginia. That's where it's a hotel waterfront.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I would say three. Okay, I'm gonna I got your back, man,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: lock it in three to one. Locked, Oh, Meth Halliel Frederickson,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're not one of the regular coasts.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: You got it right, Yes, o man, first times, listen,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: listen you you both owe me all right. It is
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: hard to walk three miles in a seventeen, yes, but
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: you meet people to know your status exactly. I was
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: going to have them carry me in my sedan chair,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: as usually the case, but it turns out that sedans
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: very heavy. It's a big so to be fair, So Jonathan,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the show. I guess we
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: um we can't break. We can't break a little bit
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: of k fave here, which is we are all on
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: zoom because it's still pandemic days. The three of us
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: were lucky enough to see each other for a second
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: in the office. We're working on some secret projects. Coincided.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: But I just want to give you a shout out
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and thank you for HOPPI on this zoom maybe a
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: little bit early. We're not going to tell people how
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: long well he showed up. I think right at the
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: right time. You and I took a while. It's technically
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: technically I showed up when I was told to show up.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. And we we were late, so
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I was reading your facial expressions, and there was stuff
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: like because we're very responsive with each other, we're doing
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: each other for years, and when when we were when
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: we were clearly like, we're like, huh, you know, maybe
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Jonathan would know this. I I cannot imagine the amount
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: of like torture that must have been. It required a
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: lot of self control not to hit the un mute,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: which wouldn't have affected the listeners at all, except for
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the fact that there would have been long, silent pauses
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: in the middle of your recording. We would have had
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: you a d R all about just maybe come in
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: with line where you say you guys need to think
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: about what you did and then keep I felt like
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I felt like my introduction was was essentially that, where
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I just confronted you with a litany of facts. I hope.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I hope you never have to listen to this, Jonathan,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: because the parts of you missed. Uh. Look, Ben, I'm
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: not cut out for this. You and knowl are really
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: good at it. Jonathan fantastic. I'm really glad that you
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: guys are are helming this show. It is tough to
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: know so much about the ridiculousness of history. You're too kind, Matt,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: and I hope that you will, of course. I think
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: we all hope that you will return in the future. Okay,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: all right, the consensus of the show in official we
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: have a quorum that hopes you will return in the future. Uh.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: And maybe you and Jonathan will meet once again in
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: the field of quister battle sooner than you think, Matt.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: One thing that we it feels so ridiculous because we
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: hang out all the time, but when one thing we
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: like to do we have folks over on the show,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: is to let the audience know anything that you're working
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: on that they should catch up on when they get
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: a chance. I understand we do another show called stuff.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: They don't want you to know. Jonathan, you've been on
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: that as well. Actually, we need to have you back
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: on that because we've got some things coming up where
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: we need your expertise as Jonathan Strickland, not as the quister.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: You know, I make no guarantees which one you get,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: but I'm happy. I'm happy to jump on. We really do.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: We made a whole episode by ourselves about n f
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: T S and uh we need you so so, Matt.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Where where can people find find some of your projects? Well,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: you can find a lot of the shows that I'm
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: officially an ep on right now, but I'm not voicing
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: anything besides stuff they don't want you to know. But
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I would recommend checking out the second season of Ephemeral,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: which is a great podcast hosted by Alex Williams, second
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: season of Stranger Arrivals, Camp Hell and Awake, which is
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: a true crime show, Algorithms about to come out. There's
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: so many shows coming out right now in our realm.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: We would just I'd love for you to listen to
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: any and all of them, but don't elect this one
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: or stuff they don't want you to know, or tech
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: stuff or what are what are your other shows? Johnathan
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: John has got like seven shows. I mean, there's Large
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: nor John Collider, there's the Restless Ones. I think I
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: voiced something for strange arrivals. I think you did. Yeah, yeah,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: so yeah, I'd like to keep my hand in lots
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: of things. Thank you, Matt, You are too kind. Obviously,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I am a huge fan of all the work that
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: we've all been doing since before there was an internet,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: it feels like so I think any listeners who enjoy
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: this show you should definitely explore sort of the deeper
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: catalog because there's a lot of really compelling stuff out there.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Some of it is silly, some of it is extremely serious,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and some of it seems to try and bridge the
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: gap between the two. Mm hmm. And as always, we
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: hope that you enjoy this show. We hope you enjoyed
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the other shows that we have here in our strange
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: panopoly of adventures as stay tuned. As always, there is
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: more to come on the way. Thanks of course, Alex
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Williams could post our track. Thanks to our awesome super
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: producers Casey Pegrom, Andrew Howard and Max Williams. Jonathan Matt Again,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: thanks to you guys. Thinks of course to knowl as well,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and if you have a story about ridiculous fashion that
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: you'd like us to delve into, please let us know.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Head on over to our Facebook page, Ridiculous Historians. We
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: can't wait to hear from you. Jonathan. What kind of
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: shoes are you wearing? Man? Well, that's seventeen foot long poolins.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I actually told you that you do listen at all,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: terrible at improv. All right, that's our show. For more
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