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The Face Peelers: Peru's Alien Nightmare Fuel · Aliens? Yes! But Maybe No | UFOs, UAPs & Alien Mysteries

• 0:03
  Josh: Aliens.
• 0:07
  Travis: Yes.
• 0:08
  Travis: But maybe no.
• 0:10
  Travis: Welcome to the show.
• 0:20
  Travis: Aliens?
• 0:20
  Travis: Yes! But Maybe No with Josh and Travis.
• 0:22
  Travis: I'm Travis.
• 0:23
  Travis: I'm Josh.
• 0:24
  Travis: And this is an Otherworldly podcast as ambiguous as our title.
• 0:28
  Josh: Spooky season.
• 0:30
  Travis: Is it spooky season?
• 0:31
  Travis: Did it sneak up on me?
• 0:32
  Josh: Yeah, man.
• 0:33
  Josh: It's been, I mean, it's been spooky for a while.
• 0:35
  Josh: Classic spooky season to just sneak up on you.
• 0:39
  Josh: And we got a spooky episode.
• 0:40
  Josh: Last episode was spooky too.
• 0:41
  Josh: They call it Spooktober for a reason because it's spooky.
• 0:44
  Josh: That's true.
• 0:45
  Josh: Yeah, we did the Dy Olive Pass.
• 0:47
  Josh: Real scary.
• 0:48
  Josh: Real head scratcher.
• 0:49
  Josh: It is a head scratcher still.
• 0:51
  Josh: Yeah.
• 0:51
  Josh: If you haven't listened to that episode or heard that story, just go do it.
• 0:56
  Josh: Very sad.
• 0:58
  Travis: Or was it?
• 1:00
  Travis: Is that a are you trying to trick me?
• 1:02
  Travis: I'm trying to make it ambiguous so that people go listen to our episode.
• 1:06
  Travis: How did it turn out?
• 1:07
  Travis: I mean, I don't know.
• 1:08
  Travis: I don't know.
• 1:09
  Travis: I don't remember.
• 1:10
  Travis: But it was good.
• 1:11
  Travis: It was a good app.
• 1:12
  Travis: We talked about it a lot.
• 1:12
  Travis: Snow is cold, turns out.
• 1:14
  Travis: I think that was our biggest takeaway.
• 1:16
  Travis: Yeah.
• 1:16
  Travis: Russia has a lot of snow.
• 1:18
  Travis: Mm-hmm.
• 1:18
  Travis: So it is.
• 1:19
  Josh: By association, cold.
• 1:21
  Josh: This one took me by surprise when we did the quiz at the end of last episode.
• 1:25
  Josh: Face peelers.
• 1:27
  Josh: Yeah.
• 1:28
  Josh: I I don't think those words should go together.
• 1:30
  Travis: I mean, not outside of like a special effects department.
• 1:34
  Travis: Because I think that's pretty cool to watch someone get their face peeled.
• 1:38
  Travis: That happened in an Evil Dead.
• 1:40
  Travis: And I think it was sent help.
• 1:42
  Travis: Someone got their face graded by a Parmesan grader.
• 1:45
  Travis: That was pretty good.
• 1:46
  Travis: Oh no.
• 1:47
  Travis: It's not good.
• 1:48
  Travis: Oh, it's so good to see.
• 1:50
  Travis: It's so it's like a it's a hoot to see.
• 1:52
  Travis: Yeah, no, I love to watch a good special effect pulled off expertly.
• 1:57
  Travis: And even the the ones that are bad are still just really fun to watch.
• 2:01
  Travis: But real life, no.
• 2:04
  Travis: Oh no, real life, it's it's it's a horrifying thought.
• 2:06
  Travis: It's the worst.
• 2:07
  Travis: Yeah.
• 2:07
  Travis: It should be exclusive to movies.
• 2:10
  Travis: Yeah.
• 2:11
  Travis: And not documentaries.
• 2:12
  Josh: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 2:14
  Josh: Narrative movies.
• 2:15
  Josh: Mm-hmm.
• 2:16
  Josh: So yeah, we're talking about the face peelers today.
• 2:20
  Josh: Yeah.
• 2:20
  Josh: I mean, should we just get into it or should we pan this out longer and make them wait?
• 2:25
  Josh: I mean, they came here for a reason.
• 2:26
  Josh: Let's let's give them uh let's give them what they came for.
• 2:29
  Josh: You're right.
• 2:30
  Josh: Okay.
• 2:31
  Josh: In July 2023, a small village in the Peruvian Amazon began reporting visitors.
• 2:37
  Josh: No one could explain.
• 2:38
  Josh: The village was San Antonio de Pentiacu.
• 2:41
  Josh: It's an indigenous Ikitu community deep in the rainforest where travel depended on the rivers.
• 2:46
  Josh: Residents said the figures were unusually tall.
• 2:49
  Josh: They wore what looked like armor and helmets.
• 2:52
  Josh: Some witnesses described glowing yellow lenses over their eyes, and several people claimed the figures could float above the ground.
• 2:59
  Josh: The community leader, Hairo Riyatugi Avila, I'm not fluent in what that is.
• 3:07
  Josh: That's a person.
• 3:09
  Josh: What do you mean what?
• 3:10
  Josh: He's a person.
• 3:11
  Josh: The language.
• 3:12
  Josh: Peruvian.
• 3:13
  Josh: Spanish.
• 3:13
  Josh: Yeah.
• 3:14
  Josh: So he told reporters he fired his shotgun at one of them twice.
• 3:18
  Josh: The figure he said didn't fall.
• 3:21
  Josh: It rose above the trees and vanished.
• 3:23
  Josh: Cool.
• 3:24
  Josh: Families became afraid to sleep.
• 3:26
  Josh: They asked the government to help protect them.
• 3:28
  Josh: Then came a report far more disturbing than a sighting.
• 3:32
  Josh: A 15-year-old girl said two figures grabbed her, carried her behind a chicken coop, and cut beneath her jaw.
• 3:40
  Josh: And she said she heard something unexpected.
• 3:44
  Josh: The attackers were speaking Spanish.
• 3:46
  Josh: The villagers had a name for these figures, Los Pelicaras, or the face peelers.
• 3:53
  Josh: Whoa.
• 3:53
  Josh: The name wasn't new.
• 3:55
  Josh: For generations, people in Peru have told stories about dangerous outsiders who attack people and steal parts of their bodies.
• 4:01
  Josh: Police and Navy officers came to investigate.
• 4:04
  Josh: A prosecutor pointed toward illegal gold miners who were already causing serious problems in the region.
• 4:10
  Josh: One local teacher suggested that the figures might have used jet packs, which is cool.
• 4:15
  Josh: Yep.
• 4:16
  Josh: And then before long, the headlines made it sound as though the mystery had been solved.
• 4:21
  Josh: But no attacker or flight device was publicly identified in those early reports.
• 4:26
  Josh: Months later, independent investigators traveled to the area and gathered more accounts.
• 4:31
  Josh: Witnesses described glowing devices beneath the figure's feet, a strange craft above a fishing boat, and other attacks across the region.
• 4:38
  Josh: So, what happened along the Nana River?
• 4:42
  Josh: Were residents being frightened by criminals?
• 4:44
  Josh: Were people seeing unfamiliar technology?
• 4:47
  Josh: Could fear and rumor explain some of the reports?
• 4:50
  Josh: Or was something even stranger going on?
• 4:52
  Josh: Uh should we stop here?
• 4:54
  Josh: Yeah, I think that covers it.
• 4:56
  Travis: No reason to go on.
• 4:57
  Travis: This sounds like it's gonna be pretty scary.
• 5:00
  Josh: I mean, we could answer that last question.
• 5:02
  Josh: It's not gonna be the correct answer.
• 5:03
  Josh: Even stranger going on?
• 5:05
  Josh: Probably.
• 5:06
  Josh: End of story.
• 5:07
  Josh: Yep.
• 5:07
  Josh: It's gonna be bad.
• 5:08
  Josh: I'm curious about the jet packs and what these maybe creatures look like.
• 5:16
  Josh: I'm I'm eager, so let's keep going.
• 5:18
  Josh: Let's keep going.
• 5:19
  Travis: Okay, all right, all right.
• 5:21
  Travis: So San Antonio de Pintuyacu is in northeastern Peru in the Alto Nane district of Mayinas Province.
• 5:28
  Travis: That district is part of Laredo, a large region of the Amazon.
• 5:32
  Travis: The community depends on the rivers for nearly everything.
• 5:35
  Travis: Boats bring people, medicine, food, school supplies, and other goods between settlements.
• 5:40
  Travis: For people living there, the river isn't just scenery.
• 5:42
  Travis: It's the main way to travel and stay connected.
• 5:44
  Travis: That would be kind of cool, right?
• 5:46
  Travis: I mean, yes and no.
• 5:49
  Travis: I mean, there's definite downsides.
• 5:52
  Josh: Yeah, there's downsides.
• 5:53
  Josh: But I mean, being that close to nature and not in the high speed life in the city.
• 5:59
  Travis: Sure.
• 5:59
  Travis: I mean, this is a place where your life is actually in jeopardy.
• 6:03
  Travis: That's true.
• 6:04
  Travis: Because you have you are so close to very dense jungle, and there's so many things in that that can kill you from plants and uh fish to jaguars, um snakes.
• 6:17
  Travis: Snakes, crocodiles, all sorts of all sorts of things.
• 6:22
  Travis: Yeah, all there.
• 6:22
  Travis: So you have to always be on on guard.
• 6:26
  Travis: Yeah.
• 6:26
  Travis: Surviving by your wits.
• 6:28
  Travis: That's all you got.
• 6:28
  Travis: So I think, I don't know, kind of fun, but also like I'm accustomed to just being able to go to the grocery store and get what I need or drive a car and be in a car when it's raining and feel safe and have a house.
• 6:41
  Travis: That's true.
• 6:41
  Travis: All right, you convince me.
• 6:43
  Travis: I'm gonna I'll stay.
• 6:44
  Travis: I'll stay here.
• 6:45
  Travis: Oh, good.
• 6:45
  Travis: Okay, good.
• 6:46
  Travis: Because this podcast wouldn't really last without you here.
• 6:49
  Travis: If you were down in the jungle, it would be really hard to get good Wi-Fi.
• 6:52
  Travis: True.
• 6:52
  Travis: San Antonio is an Iquito community.
• 6:54
  Travis: The Akitu people have lived in this region for generations.
• 6:57
  Travis: Their traditional lands include areas along the Nane, Pentiyaku, and Chambira rivers.
• 7:03
  Travis: The Nane River provides drinking water for Akitus, but beneath its sand and mud lies something else.
• 7:09
  Travis: What?
• 7:10
  Josh: GOLD! Oh cute jetpacks.
• 7:16
  Travis: Yeah.
• 7:17
  Josh: It's a natural progression.
• 7:19
  Travis: Not quite yet.
• 7:20
  Travis: Well, first you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the women, then you get the jetpacks.
• 7:26
  Travis: That's right.
• 7:28
  Travis: The old saying.
• 7:28
  Travis: The old Scarface saying, yep.
• 7:30
  Travis: So to get that gold, miners use machines called dredges.
• 7:34
  Travis: Okay.
• 7:34
  Travis: A dredge pulls material from the bottom of the river.
• 7:36
  Travis: Miners then process the sand and mud to separate small pieces of gold.
• 7:40
  Travis: Some mining operations also use mercury.
• 7:42
  Travis: Yee yikes.
• 7:44
  Travis: Yeah.
• 7:44
  Travis: Which can harm water waste and the people who depend on them, like the fish.
• 7:48
  Travis: Mercury is uh something that is picked up by bottom feeders.
• 7:52
  Travis: Yeah.
• 7:53
  Travis: And everything feeds on those bottom feeders.
• 7:55
  Travis: That's why they say that pregnant women shouldn't eat tuna because tuna consume a lot of the bottom feeders that would be eating or uh ingesting this mercury.
• 8:05
  Travis: Oh, interesting.
• 8:06
  Travis: So in September of that year, journalists Jonathan Hurtado and Mili Gros Beirrios investigated the gold trade for the Peruvian news organization Ojo Publica.
• 8:16
  Travis: They described a profitable illegal mining industry along the river.
• 8:20
  Travis: Some operations took place inside protected areas.
• 8:23
  Travis: Armed groups had also resisted efforts by authorities to stop them.
• 8:26
  Travis: Think about what that means for the people living nearby.
• 8:29
  Travis: Josh, specifically, think about I mean I'm I'm thinking.
• 8:32
  Travis: Jeez, give me a second.
• 8:33
  Travis: Okay.
• 8:34
  Travis: Yeah.
• 8:35
  Travis: Okay.
• 8:35
  Travis: Yeah, I'm thinking.
• 8:36
  Travis: So you're painting a picture?
• 8:38
  Travis: Yeah.
• 8:39
  Travis: Yeah.
• 8:39
  Travis: So they depend on the river for water, food, and travel.
• 8:42
  Travis: Illegal miners depend on the same river to make money.
• 8:46
  Travis: Uh-oh.
• 8:47
  Travis: This is where worlds collide.
• 8:49
  Travis: This was not what I was thinking.
• 8:50
  Travis: Go on.
• 8:51
  Travis: Those needs come into direct conflict, right?
• 8:54
  Travis: Yeah.
• 8:54
  Travis: You have people that are each going to justify their use of the river.
• 8:59
  Travis: One is a group that has relied on it for generations, centuries, right?
• 9:05
  Travis: Centuries and centuries.
• 9:06
  Travis: And have, like you said, are probably very close to the land and know how to sustainably use that, like not overfish.
• 9:14
  Travis: And and then now we have these people that are coming in only to make money, right?
• 9:20
  Travis: And make as much as possible.
• 9:22
  Travis: So they're going to strip mine.
• 9:24
  Travis: And I mean, in order to get their dredges close to the water, they have to create a path, which means tearing down trees.
• 9:32
  Travis: And then sometimes you'd have uh seasonal work.
• 9:35
  Travis: So you have to provide housing for them.
• 9:37
  Travis: And so it just becomes this this thing that just needs to be fed, right?
• 9:43
  Travis: This big consuming beast.
• 9:44
  Travis: Yeah, they'll just destroy everything.
• 9:46
  Travis: It sucks.
• 9:47
  Travis: And this wasn't only a general concern about crime in the Amazon.
• 9:50
  Travis: In September 2023, Peru's Defensoria de Pueblo, the National Human Rights Office, recorded a complaint from San Antonio's APU or community leader.
• 9:59
  Travis: He warned that land trafficking and illegal mining threaten the community's territory.
• 10:03
  Travis: He asked the armed forces to help protect the area.
• 10:06
  Travis: So even without the strange sightings, the danger was real.
• 10:08
  Travis: Armed outsiders threatened the same land and river the community depended on.
• 10:12
  Josh: I mean, we were talking about the dangers of living there.
• 10:15
  Josh: You know, the river can kill you, the animals, the plants, but now also people.
• 10:20
  Travis: Like there is just a dangerous place.
• 10:22
  Travis: And we learned from every zombie movie ever that it's not really the zombies that you need to really fear.
• 10:28
  Travis: It's usually the people, the other humans that are the most dangerous.
• 10:32
  Travis: That's true.
• 10:33
  Travis: Yeah, the chaos that happens.
• 10:36
  Josh: Mm-hmm.
• 10:36
  Josh: For sure.
• 10:37
  Josh: Okay.
• 10:37
  Josh: So residents dated the first encounter to July 11th, 2023.
• 10:42
  Travis: You don't say one T once?
• 10:43
  Travis: Was it uh for 11?
• 10:45
  Travis: Yeah.
• 10:46
  Travis: No.
• 10:46
  Travis: July one tea once?
• 10:48
  Travis: No.
• 10:48
  Josh: It's super confusing.
• 10:49
  Josh: Just me then, huh?
• 10:51
  Josh: Yep.
• 10:51
  Josh: So over the next several weeks, people said figures appeared near their homes after dark.
• 10:56
  Josh: They reported seeing them around the edges of the village and along the paths between the houses.
• 11:00
  Josh: The stories weren't identical, but a few details kept coming up.
• 11:04
  Josh: Witnesses described figures close to two meters tall.
• 11:08
  Josh: That's about six and a half feet.
• 11:10
  Josh: I had to look that up.
• 11:11
  Josh: Oh, that's good.
• 11:12
  Josh: They described large heads, yellow-looking eyes or lenses, and bodies covered by something like armor.
• 11:18
  Josh: But how they moved, that was even harder to explain.
• 11:22
  Josh: One resident told RPP, a Peruvian news outlet, that figures could both walk and float.
• 11:28
  Josh: He said they stretched their arms out for balance as they moved through the air.
• 11:32
  Josh: He also described glowing wheel-shaped objects beneath their feet.
• 11:35
  Josh: In his view, those objects were what allowed them to rise off the ground.
• 11:39
  Josh: RPP published his statement on August 1st.
• 11:43
  Josh: Once.
• 11:43
  Josh: While police and Navy officers were still visiting the community.
• 11:47
  Josh: The village leader of Vila gave another account to RPP.
• 11:51
  Josh: He said he fired at one of the figures twice with a shotgun.
• 11:54
  Josh: The figure he said didn't fall, it just simply rose into the air and disappeared.
• 11:58
  Josh: He compared the armored appearance to the Green Goblin from Spider-Man.
• 12:04
  Travis: So even Spider-Man makes it down to the jungles of Peru.
• 12:08
  Travis: That's incredible.
• 12:09
  Travis: That is.
• 12:10
  Josh: And it gives I mean Green Goblin, I mean, I can visualize that real well.
• 12:14
  Josh: And that would be scary.
• 12:15
  Josh: Yeah.
• 12:16
  Travis: He's got that face with that smile.
• 12:18
  Travis: Mm-hmm.
• 12:19
  Travis: And he's hovering.
• 12:20
  Travis: And then that laugh that he does.
• 12:22
  Travis: Oh man.
• 12:23
  Josh: And he's juggling those little balls.
• 12:25
  Josh: Phrasing.
• 12:26
  Josh: They were like uh little bombs, I should say, not little balls.
• 12:29
  Josh: They could be both.
• 12:31
  Travis: Okay.
• 12:31
  Travis: And they were pretty big.
• 12:32
  Travis: I I don't he was juggling some big balls.
• 12:35
  Travis: It's all perspective, man.
• 12:37
  Travis: Oh, those are little balls to you?
• 12:39
  Travis: Mm-hmm.
• 12:40
  Travis: Those are huge.
• 12:41
  Travis: They're the size of his face.
• 12:42
  Travis: I think if that is.
• 12:44
  Josh: No, he had like a bandolier.
• 12:46
  Josh: Yeah, but the balls were attached to it.
• 12:47
  Josh: They were huge.
• 12:48
  Josh: They were big.
• 12:49
  Josh: I I guess I don't have a clear picture then.
• 12:51
  Josh: I'm talking about testicles.
• 12:53
  Josh: Beg your pardon?
• 12:54
  Josh: Testicles.
• 12:55
  Josh: Oh.
• 12:56
  Josh: Balls.
• 12:57
  Josh: Oh man, yeah, I uh I was not.
• 12:59
  Josh: Yeah, you were.
• 13:00
  Josh: Come on.
• 13:01
  Josh: Yeah, you were.
• 13:02
  Josh: It's okay.
• 13:03
  Josh: Anyways, it's a memorable comparison, putting Green Goblin to that.
• 13:07
  Josh: But here's what it actually tells us.
• 13:10
  Josh: Avila was describing what he believed he saw.
• 13:12
  Josh: His account doesn't establish what the figure was, whether it was a hit or how it moved.
• 13:17
  Josh: What's clear from the reporting is that people in the village were scared, frightened.
• 13:22
  Josh: Parents worried about their children, families had trouble sleeping, residents began watching the paths and tree lines at night, carrying flashlights, shotguns, and other weapons.
• 13:31
  Josh: And when someone thought they saw movement, groups went to investigate.
• 13:35
  Josh: That meant another night of searching, waiting, and trying to decide whether the danger was still nearby.
• 13:40
  Josh: Later investigators, Timothy Alberino and Doug Thornton, interviewed people about those weeks.
• 13:45
  Josh: Alberino said the patrols affected daily life.
• 13:48
  Josh: Some residents lost sleep and spent less time working on their farm.
• 13:52
  Josh: With people staying awake at night, the community had less energy for work during the day, and food became harder to manage.
• 13:58
  Josh: Recordings from the patrols show people shouting, sweeping flashlights across dark areas, and firing guns.
• 14:04
  Josh: The videos give us a sense of how tense the situation actually became, but they don't by themselves clearly prove what residents were chasing.
• 14:13
  Josh: The villagers also tried to protect themselves with traps.
• 14:17
  Josh: According to Alberino, one trap used a shotgun shell, a metal tube, and tripwire.
• 14:22
  Josh: A local woman actually accidentally triggered one and badly injured her leg.
• 14:26
  Josh: Nobody had explained the visitors, but the fear was already taking a toll.
• 14:30
  Josh: And then there was the reported attack on the teenage girl.
• 14:33
  Josh: Before we get to her full account, though, there's a reason the villagers used the name face peelers.
• 14:39
  Josh: Oh, it's not an obvious one?
• 14:41
  Josh: No.
• 14:41
  Josh: Face peelers?
• 14:43
  Josh: Yeah.
• 14:43
  Josh: No, it could mean anything.
• 14:45
  Josh: Oh, there's there's a re like they peel their faces.
• 14:50
  Travis: Well, in case someone didn't know, obviously, that's why they're called face peelers.
• 14:56
  Travis: We need to say, like, the reason is face peelers.
• 15:00
  Travis: They were called face peelers.
• 15:01
  Travis: It's because let's find out something completely different.
• 15:03
  Travis: Let's find out.
• 15:04
  Travis: We don't know.
• 15:05
  Travis: Okay.
• 15:06
  Travis: Well, I think that we're all not going to be surprised.
• 15:09
  Travis: You're probably right.
• 15:12
  Travis: Uh the name Pelicaras means face peelers.
• 15:14
  Travis: Holy shit.
• 15:15
  Travis: Right there.
• 15:16
  Travis: Uh belongs to a wider group of stories in Peru about outsiders who attack people and take something from their bodies.
• 15:22
  Travis: Some versions involve faces or organs.
• 15:25
  Travis: Older stories from the Andes focus on human fat.
• 15:28
  Travis: One of the best known figures is the Pishtaco.
• 15:31
  Travis: Other communities use names such as Karisi and Nakak.
• 15:35
  Travis: The details change by place, but the basic fear is similar.
• 15:39
  Travis: A dangerous person takes something from a victim that represents life and strength.
• 15:44
  Travis: In some versions, the attacker is a pale stranger, classic, or someone with power, double classic.
• 15:50
  Travis: The stolen fat is said to be sold or used by wealthy outsiders.
• 15:54
  Travis: These stories often connect the theft of the body to the theft of land, labor, or resources.
• 15:59
  Travis: That makes sense to me.
• 16:00
  Travis: Yeah.
• 16:01
  Josh: I looked up the Pishtaco translation in English.
• 16:04
  Josh: It translates to behead, to cut the throat, or to slice into pieces.
• 16:10
  Travis: I don't like it.
• 16:10
  Travis: No.
• 16:11
  Travis: So anthropologist Andrew Canessa studied Pishtaco beliefs in 2000.
• 16:15
  Travis: He explained that the figure often appears as a white or powerful outsider.
• 16:19
  Travis: The story reflects fears about race, power, and the harm that outsiders have brought to indigenous communities.
• 16:24
  Travis: These stories weren't only about monsters, though.
• 16:26
  Travis: They also gave shape to real fears of violence and exploitation.
• 16:30
  Travis: In 2011, anthropologist Fernando Santos Granero and Frederica Barclay published a study called Bundles, Stampers, and Flying Gringos.
• 16:39
  Travis: Nice.
• 16:42
  Travis: That's a funny title, but I'm sure it's a very serious, very serious subject, though.
• 16:46
  Travis: Oh, of course.
• 16:47
  Josh: Yeah.
• 16:47
  Travis: So they looked at related stories among the Oahuun, Wampies, and Oshaninka peoples in the Peruvian Amazon.
• 16:55
  Travis: Sorry if I butchered any of those names.
• 16:57
  Josh: I think he did pretty good.
• 16:58
  Travis: Those stories included outsiders who stole a person's life force or placed harmful substances inside the body.
• 17:03
  Travis: Yeah.
• 17:04
  Travis: Yeah, that's that's bad.
• 17:06
  Josh: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:07
  Travis: I don't I don't like that.
• 17:08
  Travis: Keep the outside things out.
• 17:09
  Travis: Yeah.
• 17:10
  Travis: Yeah.
• 17:10
  Travis: The researchers connected the stories to conflicts with outside companies and industries that entered indigenous territories.
• 17:17
  Travis: That doesn't mean every community told the same story.
• 17:20
  Travis: It means similar fears appeared in different places, often during times when outsiders were taking control of land or resources.
• 17:26
  Travis: And these accounts were documented years before the sightings in Alto Nene.
• 17:31
  Travis: Alberino later said the Pelicara stories in this region seem newer than the older Pishtaco tradition.
• 17:37
  Travis: During a November 2023 appearance on Coast to Coast AM, heard of it?
• 17:42
  Travis: Mm-hmm.
• 17:42
  Travis: He said residents traced the local stories back roughly 40 years.
• 17:47
  Travis: He said people used the name for dangerous outsiders who attacked victims in remote areas.
• 17:52
  Travis: Then in 2009, that legend made national headlines.
• 17:55
  Travis: In November 2009, Peruvian police announced that they uncovered a criminal gang accused of killing people and selling their body fat.
• 18:02
  Travis: Who'd want that?
• 18:04
  Travis: Uh turns out.
• 18:06
  Travis: Somebody.
• 18:07
  Travis: Officers showed bottles of yellow liquid to reporters.
• 18:13
  Travis: They claimed the fat was being sold to European cosmetic companies.
• 18:16
  Travis: Oh man.
• 18:19
  Travis: Gross.
• 18:20
  Travis: We we need the name of those companies, I think is the next step.
• 18:23
  Travis: It's probably every single cosmetic company ever.
• 18:26
  Travis: They probably use it for like high-end or just testing.
• 18:30
  Travis: Who knows?
• 18:30
  Travis: Yeah.
• 18:31
  Travis: And gross.
• 18:32
  Travis: It is.
• 18:33
  Travis: And cruel.
• 18:34
  Travis: Like if that's the case and people are having the fat stolen from them.
• 18:38
  Travis: I mean, it could also come from, you know, whatever they do with the fat that is pulled from liposuction patients.
• 18:46
  Travis: But the fact that they're like aggressively stealing it from people is that is like that's evil.
• 18:53
  Travis: Well, it's a a horror story theme.
• 18:55
  Travis: Yeah.
• 18:56
  Travis: Something coming and taking something from your body and then selling it to science or even worse, vanity?
• 19:03
  Travis: Yeah, you're right.
• 19:05
  Travis: That that fucking sucks.
• 19:07
  Travis: Yeah, that is the worst.
• 19:08
  Travis: It's a black mirror episode.
• 19:10
  Travis: Yeah, that serves no purpose.
• 19:12
  Travis: That's just like somebody trying to live up to an ideal that they set for themselves or that society is set for them.
• 19:18
  Travis: It's just fucked.
• 19:19
  Travis: Like that kind of shit is fucked.
• 19:20
  Travis: Okay.
• 19:20
  Travis: The story spread worldwide.
• 19:22
  Travis: For a moment it seemed the old Pishtaco legend had become a modern crime ring.
• 19:26
  Travis: Then the story began to fall apart.
• 19:28
  Travis: Anthropologist Caroline Yezer later described it as a hoax.
• 19:32
  Travis: She also pointed out that the police had tied the sensational claim to a real murder case.
• 19:36
  Travis: That made the situation more complicated than a completely invented crime from start to finish.
• 19:41
  Travis: By early December, police commander Miguel Hidalgo had opened an investigation and suspended the criminal police chief who promoted the story.
• 19:50
  Travis: Whoa.
• 19:50
  Travis: There were also questions about why the story had been pushed so heavily.
• 19:53
  Travis: Some reporters and officials suspected it helped draw attention away from the accusations that police had killed suspects in Trujillo.
• 20:00
  Travis: That possible motive was disputed and it shouldn't be treated as proven.
• 20:05
  Travis: So the name Pishtaco had already appeared in folklore, news reports, and even a major police scandal.
• 20:10
  Travis: Fourteen years later, the people of San Antonio use a related name while reporting attacks in their own community.
• 20:16
  Travis: None of this explains the 2023 sightings.
• 20:18
  Travis: Maybe it does explain why one word, Pelicaros, could terrify a village.
• 20:23
  Josh: Yeah, I mean, if they had the roots of that story, I mean, absolutely it could.
• 20:28
  Josh: So, this is when the authorities arrive and that jet packs enter the story.
• 20:34
  Josh: Okay.
• 20:34
  Josh: By the start of August, the reports had reached authorities.
• 20:37
  Josh: On August 1st, 2023, RPP reported that police and Navy officers traveled to San Antonio by fast boat.
• 20:45
  Josh: It would have been bad if they went by slow boat.
• 20:48
  Travis: That's an actual class of boat.
• 20:50
  Travis: But yeah, it's funny though that that's what they're called.
• 20:52
  Travis: That means there probably is a slow boat, right?
• 20:54
  Travis: Sure.
• 20:55
  Travis: You have to have some baseline.
• 20:57
  Josh: Yeah, so they met with residents, walked around the village, and visited the place where a 15-year-old girl had reportedly been attacked.
• 21:03
  Josh: They took statements and completed police reports.
• 21:06
  Josh: After they left, residents continued keeping weapons nearby in case the figures returned.
• 21:11
  Josh: Then came an explanation that would make headlines around the world.
• 21:15
  Josh: Carlos Castro Cantania, a prosecutor working on environmental crimes in Loreto, believed illegal gold miners were the likely suspects.
• 21:24
  Josh: On August 8th, RPP reported his view that miners from Brazil and Colombia could be behind these incidents.
• 21:30
  Josh: The idea was intimidation.
• 21:33
  Josh: If miners could frighten residents into staying indoors at night, they might have had more freedom to work along the river without being disturbed.
• 21:39
  Josh: That was a real possibility.
• 21:42
  Josh: But it still left one big question what about the reports of people flying?
• 21:47
  Josh: And that's where a local teacher offered a surprising idea.
• 21:50
  Josh: Pacaya heard the teenager's story and other witness accounts.
• 21:54
  Josh: He searched online for equipment that could lift a person in the air, and then he found the term jetpack.
• 21:59
  Josh: And suggested that the attackers might have been using something like that.
• 22:03
  Josh: Obviously, a jetpack lets a person fly using an engine, and that really exists, but that doesn't mean one was used in San Antonio.
• 22:12
  Josh: On August 9th, the television network ATV presented illegal miners as the answer, even though the prosecutors' findings were still preliminary.
• 22:21
  Josh: Within days, the story was told as though indigenous villagers had mistaken miners in jetpacks for aliens.
• 22:27
  Josh: Ugh.
• 22:28
  Josh: No attackers had been publicly identified, and no jetpack or any other flight device had been recovered.
• 22:35
  Josh: So the mining theory offered a possible motive.
• 22:37
  Josh: The jetpack idea offered a possible way to fly.
• 22:40
  Josh: But neither idea had been linked to an actual suspect or a piece of equipment.
• 22:45
  Josh: So I don't think that's accurate.
• 22:48
  Josh: Uh the jetpack idea?
• 22:49
  Josh: Yeah.
• 22:50
  Josh: I think I think a version of that is accurate.
• 22:54
  Josh: 100%.
• 22:55
  Josh: I just don't even I mean, I where'd they get the jetpacks?
• 22:59
  Josh: How'd they afford the jetpacks?
• 23:00
  Josh: Had they learned to use them well?
• 23:02
  Travis: No, I it's uh they were testing this technology down there because it's very easy to hide in the jungles.
• 23:08
  Travis: There's a lot of money, there's no oversight.
• 23:11
  Travis: And so this is just like what I think they call like black tech technology that doesn't really exist on the mass market and is just being tested.
• 23:20
  Josh: Interesting.
• 23:21
  Josh: I mean, it is possible, but there's much more detailed story to tell, and it's about the girl that was attacked.
• 23:28
  Travis: Right.
• 23:28
  Travis: Alberino's expedition.
• 23:30
  Travis: That's the guy that we were talking about, who lived with the Peruvians for what, 10 years, you said, Josh?
• 23:36
  Travis: He lived in Peru for 10 years.
• 23:38
  Travis: I think he moved back and then went back to visit after this point, but he's very familiar with Peru.
• 23:44
  Travis: Okay.
• 23:45
  Travis: So in October 2023, independent investigator Timothy Alberino and former military operator Doug Thornton traveled to the region.
• 23:52
  Travis: Alberino had announced plans to leave for Peru on October 23rd.
• 23:56
  Travis: That's almost setting this up like he's gone missing, but he hasn't.
• 23:59
  Travis: He's totally fine.
• 24:00
  Travis: Yeah.
• 24:01
  Travis: Just stick with us.
• 24:02
  Travis: He released his Peru Alien Attack Expedition Report on November 9th.
• 24:06
  Travis: The team brought supplies for residents, including food, medicine, lights, and radios.
• 24:10
  Travis: They also visited reported encounter sites and interviewed people about what had happened.
• 24:15
  Travis: One account stood out: the story of a 15-year-old girl, Alberino, called Talia.
• 24:20
  Travis: According to the version Alberino shared, Talia was gathering fruit near her home.
• 24:25
  Travis: She bent down to pick up a piece when she felt air moving behind her and heard something nearby.
• 24:30
  Travis: Yeah.
• 24:31
  Travis: Like anytime being out in the forest and feeling another presence that you don't know is there is very unsettling.
• 24:37
  Josh: Yeah, and then actually feeling like a physical effect, like air.
• 24:41
  Travis: Yeah.
• 24:42
  Travis: She turned and saw a tall figure approaching.
• 24:45
  Travis: She described a dark suit that looked like armor, a helmet with unusual lenses, and a circular platform that appeared to hold the figure above the ground.
• 24:53
  Travis: Sound familiar?
• 24:54
  Travis: Green gobliness?
• 24:56
  Travis: Green goblin.
• 24:57
  Travis: Maybe.
• 24:57
  Travis: Yeah.
• 24:58
  Travis: Then she said another figure appeared.
• 24:59
  Travis: Uh-oh, two green goblins?
• 25:02
  Travis: That's too many.
• 25:03
  Travis: That's yeah, one is enough.
• 25:05
  Travis: Believe me.
• 25:06
  Travis: Spider-Man had difficulty with just one.
• 25:08
  Travis: Yeah.
• 25:08
  Travis: One grabbed her upper body, the other took hold of her legs.
• 25:12
  Travis: Together they carried her behind a chicken coop.
• 25:14
  Travis: That's pretty scary.
• 25:15
  Travis: Yeah.
• 25:15
  Travis: For a young woman to get dragged behind a building by two grown men has got to be very scary.
• 25:21
  Travis: Yeah.
• 25:21
  Travis: Uh Taya said one attacker sprayed or placed a substance near her nose.
• 25:26
  Travis: This is even worse.
• 25:27
  Travis: Ew.
• 25:27
  Travis: Soon after she felt weak and confused.
• 25:30
  Travis: She said she could still understand what was happening, but had trouble fighting back.
• 25:33
  Travis: I mean, this is just it's it's fucked up.
• 25:36
  Travis: This is so incredibly sad what happened to this this young woman.
• 25:40
  Travis: The attackers then put a cream on her face and she said her skin became numb.
• 25:45
  Travis: Then one attacker took out a handheld tool and began cutting beneath her jaw.
• 25:50
  Travis: According to her account, the first cut was too low on her neck.
• 25:53
  Travis: The attacker then made another cut higher up.
• 25:55
  Travis: Through it all, Tollia said she could hear the two figures talking.
• 25:58
  Travis: Not in an unknown language, in Spanish.
• 26:02
  Travis: She said one sounded local, while the other had an accent she didn't recognize.
• 26:06
  Travis: She remembered one attacker giving the other directions, including a warning about how much cream he was using.
• 26:11
  Travis: The detail became important to Alberino.
• 26:13
  Travis: The figures weren't just appearing and disappearing.
• 26:15
  Travis: In Tali's account, they spoke a familiar language and gave instructions and divided up their work.
• 26:20
  Travis: Tally said she began fighting and screaming.
• 26:23
  Travis: Her brother and other residents heard her and ran toward the area.
• 26:26
  Travis: She claimed the attackers tried to pull her away by her hair, but when help arrived, they let go.
• 26:31
  Travis: She said they rose into the air and escaped.
• 26:34
  Travis: That's wild.
• 26:35
  Travis: Alberino described injuries and lasting fear after the encounter, obviously.
• 26:39
  Travis: Yeah.
• 26:40
  Travis: Who wouldn't be, you know, completely shook by something like this?
• 26:44
  Josh: We saw in what we watched to prepare for this.
• 26:47
  Josh: I mean, she is shook up.
• 26:49
  Josh: I mean, yeah.
• 26:50
  Josh: Like high levels of PTSD.
• 26:53
  Travis: I I mean, as you would get in a situation like this, anyone would.
• 26:57
  Travis: And also this thing that happened to her that was very traumatic.
• 27:00
  Travis: Now she's asked to tell these two complete strangers with a camera crew there.
• 27:04
  Travis: I mean, I can imagine how terrifying and like long-lasting this story is now going to become for her.
• 27:12
  Travis: She's not ever going to be able to move past it.
• 27:14
  Josh: Oh, yeah.
• 27:15
  Josh: I mean, when they asked her initially, like when they first got with her and started filming, she didn't say anything for like two or three minutes.
• 27:22
  Josh: She just stood there kind of shaking, giving uh scared side eyes.
• 27:26
  Josh: I mean, she experienced something that no one should, and now having to tell it.
• 27:31
  Josh: This probably isn't the first time she's telling it, so she's having to relive it over and over and over every time she tells it.
• 27:37
  Travis: Yeah, sucks.
• 27:38
  Travis: Yeah.
• 27:39
  Travis: His report also described the substance near her nose, the numbing cream, and the cutting tool.
• 27:44
  Travis: Those details came from Tullia's account.
• 27:46
  Travis: The materials and tool haven't been publicly identified through the records available in these notes.
• 27:51
  Travis: We have a very serious report of an assault and a later investigator's account of what the girl said happened.
• 27:56
  Travis: We don't have a confirmed explanation for the attackers, the substances, or the reported flight.
• 28:00
  Travis: For Alberino, the Spanish conversation pointed toward people rather than aliens.
• 28:05
  Travis: He thought the attackers behaved like an organized group carrying out a task.
• 28:09
  Travis: But if these were people, how were they flying?
• 28:12
  Travis: And Tali wasn't the only person Alberino interviewed.
• 28:15
  Josh: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.
• 28:16
  Josh: I mean, if it is high-tech, 10-year advanced machines that haven't been released to public.
• 28:22
  Travis: I mean, we can't put a time limit on it, like uh in the future.
• 28:25
  Josh: Like government tech or private company tech is usually 10 to 20 years advanced to what is being released to the public.
• 28:32
  Josh: Sure.
• 28:33
  Josh: So, I mean, if they are truly, like you said, testing something, then yeah, it could be a thing.
• 28:38
  Josh: But I just don't know why they would have whatever organization or group of men these are testing it when obviously they're not professionals.
• 28:47
  Josh: You know, you'd think you'd want to test it in a closed environment where you can observe they probably did.
• 28:52
  Travis: I mean, and this was like a field test.
• 28:55
  Travis: Or they'd carried it out before.
• 28:57
  Travis: There have been reports of this happening before.
• 29:00
  Travis: I mean, you don't get one face peel or incident and then just have an entire war built off one incident.
• 29:05
  Travis: This is this has been happening.
• 29:07
  Travis: Either this group is taking advantage of this pish taco lore that already exists, or they're creating something new altogether.
• 29:16
  Josh: Yeah, the Spanish is definitely a kink in the thought process of it being cryptid or alien for sure.
• 29:23
  Travis: Yeah, because we know we've covered this before.
• 29:25
  Travis: All aliens speak English.
• 29:27
  Josh: Yeah.
• 29:28
  Josh: Or they have what is what's the little fish thing inside the ear?
• 29:31
  Josh: Babblefish.
• 29:32
  Josh: Yeah.
• 29:33
  Josh: Maybe she was able to just understand them in her own language.
• 29:37
  Josh: Sure.
• 29:38
  Travis: Yeah, I guess.
• 29:39
  Josh: Or something.
• 29:39
  Josh: I don't know.
• 29:40
  Travis: That could have been all of the cream and stuff.
• 29:42
  Josh: Maybe they're aliens undercover or hybrids that were sleeper agents.
• 29:47
  Travis: Like a winter soldier.
• 29:48
  Josh: Yeah.
• 29:48
  Josh: Sure.
• 29:49
  Josh: But yeah, Tali definitely wasn't the only person Alberino interviewed.
• 29:53
  Josh: During the trip, Alberino and Thornton collected stories from San Antonio and other places in Loreto.
• 29:59
  Josh: Some accounts sounded similar to early reports.
• 30:02
  Josh: Others described different figures or objects, but it's important not to treat all of them as one confirmed event.
• 30:09
  Josh: They came from a lot of different witnesses, and in some cases, actually different towns.
• 30:14
  Josh: One San Antonio resident said he confronted a figure from about 15 feet away.
• 30:19
  Josh: He described silver armor and glowing circles near its feet.
• 30:23
  Josh: The witness says he's fired a shotgun.
• 30:25
  Josh: According to him, the shot pushed the figure backwards slightly, but it didn't fall.
• 30:30
  Josh: It rose into the air and moved above the trees, which is wild.
• 30:33
  Josh: Shotgun should uh destroy you.
• 30:36
  Travis: Yeah, I mean, depending on how far away, if it were really close, absolutely, would have totally destroyed him.
• 30:41
  Josh: Yeah.
• 30:41
  Josh: The silver armor stood out because other people, including Talia, described dark suits.
• 30:47
  Josh: That could mean the witnesses saw different things.
• 30:49
  Josh: It could also mean their descriptions weren't fully accurate.
• 30:52
  Josh: We don't have enough evidence to decide.
• 30:55
  Josh: Then there was the fisherman, alone on the Nine River.
• 30:59
  Josh: He placed the encounter at about three in the morning.
• 31:02
  Josh: He said he was pulling fishnets into his canoe when a bright light suddenly lit up the area.
• 31:07
  Josh: He looked up.
• 31:08
  Josh: An object was hovering twenty to thirty feet above his boat.
• 31:12
  Josh: He described it as acorn shaped, which we know what that means.
• 31:16
  Josh: A penis?
• 31:18
  Travis: A tip.
• 31:18
  Travis: Yeah, just the tip, though.
• 31:20
  Travis: Just the tip, yeah.
• 31:21
  Travis: Yeah, just the end.
• 31:22
  Travis: Some would say the most dangerous part, right?
• 31:24
  Josh: Yeah.
• 31:25
  Josh: Yeah.
• 31:27
  Josh: Okay.
• 31:28
  Josh: So he described his acorn shaped.
• 31:31
  Josh: It was about the size of a large helicopter.
• 31:33
  Josh: It's a big acorn.
• 31:34
  Josh: He said he could see part of the inside through its surface, including two figures who appeared to be seated inside.
• 31:41
  Josh: He also described small sections along the side that opened and closed, giving off flashes of light.
• 31:47
  Josh: When the object left, he said it made a low humming sound.
• 31:51
  Josh: So this is a very visually striking story, but it remains one person's account.
• 31:57
  Josh: We don't have a recovered craft or clear recording that verifies the description.
• 32:01
  Josh: So it's just another single person thing.
• 32:03
  Josh: Another woman told the investigators that families had gathered inside their homes with shotguns and machetes nearby.
• 32:10
  Josh: She claimed figures came up to houses and pulled at boards along the walls.
• 32:14
  Josh: During one encounter, she said a figure moved over a roof.
• 32:18
  Josh: In another, she reported a dark, pointed craft hovering above a home.
• 32:23
  Travis: Jeez, that reminds me a little bit of the little green men style.
• 32:26
  Travis: Yeah, where they were just attacking the house, then there was like a shootout and uh an escape in a fast car.
• 32:32
  Travis: Yeah.
• 32:32
  Travis: Yeah, with a lot of people in it.
• 32:34
  Travis: With definite no drugs and no alcohol involved in that story at all.
• 32:38
  Travis: We don't know.
• 32:40
  Travis: Total sobriety.
• 32:42
  Josh: So there's also reports from outside San Antonio.
• 32:45
  Josh: In Nauta, a separate city in Loreto, residents described figures in trees behind houses and objects above the tree line, often grouped with the San Antonio reports, but they came from a different location.
• 32:57
  Josh: The investigators also heard about the boy from Bagasan.
• 33:01
  Josh: Alberino said the boy suffered a deep wound beneath his jaw and needed emergency care in Neatu.
• 33:07
  Josh: It's Naota.
• 33:08
  Josh: Na in Nauta.
• 33:10
  Josh: Did I say that weird?
• 33:11
  Josh: You said it fine.
• 33:12
  Josh: Okay.
• 33:13
  Travis: It sounds like you've got uh the the local tongue.
• 33:17
  Josh: Thank you.
• 33:18
  Josh: Thank you.
• 33:18
  Josh: I uh I needed that.
• 33:20
  Josh: Mm-hmm.
• 33:20
  Josh: This boy was described to have heavy blood loss and needing urgent treatment.
• 33:25
  Josh: That report resembles Tally's account because both involved wounds beneath the jaw, but similar injuries don't on their own prove that the same attackers caused them.
• 33:34
  Josh: We'd need medical records and stronger evidence to confirm that connection.
• 33:39
  Josh: Another story, yeah, there's more.
• 33:41
  Josh: But wait, there's more.
• 33:43
  Josh: It came from a man called Pablo, who lived near Irimaguas, farther west.
• 33:48
  Josh: According to the account, Pablo heard people shouting that the helicoris were nearby.
• 33:54
  Josh: He chased two figures and fired at one.
• 33:56
  Josh: He believed he struck a device near its foot.
• 33:59
  Josh: When the figure had trouble rising into the air, Pablo said he grabbed it.
• 34:03
  Josh: During the struggle, he claimed the figure pointed a small handheld device at his chest.
• 34:08
  Josh: Pablo said he lost consciousness.
• 34:10
  Josh: His family later found him.
• 34:12
  Josh: Man, would you go after something like that?
• 34:14
  Travis: I wouldn't grab I don't know.
• 34:15
  Travis: It depends like how pumped full of adrenaline I was.
• 34:18
  Travis: I might go after it.
• 34:19
  Travis: But then that would raise the question of now I'm being lifted into the air, and that's right.
• 34:26
  Travis: What happens to me next?
• 34:28
  Travis: Like, uh do I let go and then lessen the height from which I will now fall?
• 34:33
  Travis: Or do I just hang on for dear life and hope that this guy is very cool and lets me down in a nice gentle way?
• 34:39
  Travis: Which is not gonna happen.
• 34:41
  Travis: Yeah.
• 34:42
  Travis: Also, I don't know how advanced this tech is.
• 34:46
  Travis: Say you were standing on a skateboard and someone grabbed it and you were moving up one way and someone grabbed it to slow your momentum, you would still be continuing up, which means they would fall off, right?
• 35:00
  Travis: I don't know.
• 35:01
  Travis: I would think so, yeah.
• 35:02
  Travis: Unless they're attached by magnets or it's like they're bound in these things like a snowboard.
• 35:06
  Travis: Yeah, that's weird.
• 35:07
  Travis: Anyway, yeah.
• 35:08
  Travis: I mean, maybe I would jump up and grab it if I thought that it was gonna be I I would not.
• 35:13
  Travis: If I thought it was gonna be like serve a purpose, like bringing this person down so I could get them.
• 35:18
  Josh: Personally, me, I'm not in a position or I've never been in a position where I had to shoot at someone.
• 35:23
  Josh: So I probably if I found myself in a dangerous situation and I was holding a gun, I think firing the gun would be one of my last resorts.
• 35:32
  Josh: I think one of my first would be to run for safety.
• 35:35
  Josh: Yeah, but these guys are living by the gun.
• 35:37
  Josh: Right.
• 35:38
  Josh: They are not strangers to firearms.
• 35:40
  Josh: Firearms, yeah.
• 35:41
  Josh: So the story goes on.
• 35:43
  Josh: This guy that got zapped in the chest by a handheld device later said he needed a pacemaker, but the medical connection hasn't been established by independent records.
• 35:52
  Travis: Yeah.
• 35:52
  Travis: So Yeah, we don't know if that caused him needing a pacemaker or it's just his genetics or the lifestyle that he'd been living.
• 36:00
  Travis: Yeah.
• 36:01
  Travis: There are several reasons why someone might need a pacemaker.
• 36:03
  Travis: We can't just say it was one incident that we experienced.
• 36:08
  Josh: Yeah.
• 36:09
  Josh: But you put all these reports together and it describes a wide range of weird, strange events.
• 36:15
  Josh: You have armored figures, glowing devices, a craft over a canoe, injuries, and even possible weapon that knocked a man unconscious.
• 36:23
  Josh: A bunch of weird, strange stories doesn't automatically mean they all have one strange explanation.
• 36:28
  Josh: Right.
• 36:29
  Josh: So before we decide what to make of them, let's look at the technology that the officials suggested from the beginning were jetpacks.
• 36:39
  Travis: So, Josh, do you think jetpacks could explain the flight?
• 36:44
  Travis: No.
• 36:45
  Travis: Okay.
• 36:46
  Travis: I think it's c I think it's closer to a yes for me.
• 36:49
  Travis: But it's not like what we would consider a traditional jetpack, right?
• 36:54
  Travis: That's just that's my feeling.
• 36:56
  Travis: Okay.
• 36:57
  Travis: Uh the jetpack theory starts with one undeniable fact.
• 37:00
  Travis: People really can fly using wearable machines.
• 37:03
  Travis: Hooray for us.
• 37:04
  Travis: That's exciting.
• 37:05
  Travis: We did it.
• 37:06
  Travis: We did it.
• 37:07
  Travis: It was promised to us years ago, but we finally got it.
• 37:10
  Josh: Oh, and if you guys want to get little laughs, you can YouTube some videos of failed jetpacks in the past.
• 37:17
  Josh: Sure.
• 37:18
  Josh: Those are fun to watch.
• 37:19
  Josh: Yeah, those are fun.
• 37:20
  Travis: But we didn't know that jetpacks were a thing until these videos came out.
• 37:24
  Travis: So, like, we weren't the public was not aware, the public at large.
• 37:28
  Travis: I'm there's gonna be some people that are gonna say, like, well, I knew about jetpacks.
• 37:32
  Travis: Well, okay, congratulations.
• 37:33
  Travis: You were more plugged in than most people.
• 37:35
  Travis: But for most of us, we didn't realize the jetpacks were a thing until we started seeing videos of them.
• 37:41
  Josh: Yeah.
• 37:41
  Travis: And they were not like what you would imagine a jetpack looking like when you were a kid.
• 37:46
  Travis: It's not like the rocketeer, right?
• 37:48
  Travis: Right.
• 37:49
  Travis: It's it's more like a backpack that has two fans on your arm and helps lift you up and propel you forward.
• 37:56
  Travis: So a company called Gravity Industries makes a wearable system called the Jet Suit.
• 38:01
  Travis: It uses five small turbines to lift and move a train pilot.
• 38:05
  Travis: The company's guide lists a flight time of up to eight minutes.
• 38:09
  Travis: And I think these things are pretty loud.
• 38:11
  Travis: The suit burns jet fuel.
• 38:12
  Travis: Yeah.
• 38:13
  Travis: That would be loud.
• 38:14
  Travis: Such as jet A1 kerosene or premium diesel.
• 38:18
  Travis: The pilot has to control the engines and keep the suit balanced.
• 38:22
  Travis: That takes a little bit of core strength.
• 38:24
  Travis: Exactly.
• 38:24
  Travis: You've got to be in pretty good shape.
• 38:26
  Travis: So you could do it.
• 38:28
  Travis: Oh, I could totally do it.
• 38:29
  Travis: Yeah.
• 38:30
  Travis: I could I could do it with like 10 more years of training.
• 38:33
  Travis: Oh.
• 38:33
  Travis: Yeah.
• 38:34
  Travis: I thought you'd just be able to get up and go.
• 38:36
  Travis: Nope.
• 38:37
  Travis: Hmm.
• 38:37
  Travis: I I know that's a dig at how I live my life, Josh, and I don't appreciate it.
• 38:41
  Josh: No, what?
• 38:42
  Josh: Come on.
• 38:43
  Travis: It was, it totally was.
• 38:44
  Josh: Travis.
• 38:45
  Travis: If you've seen video of one of these suits flying, you know the engines make a strong roaring sound.
• 38:50
  Travis: That matters because several witnesses in Peru said the figures moved quietly.
• 38:54
  Travis: There's a real difference between a loud turbine suit and the quiet movement described in several accounts.
• 38:59
  Travis: Noise isn't the only problem.
• 39:01
  Travis: There's also the clock.
• 39:02
  Travis: Eight minutes may be enough for a train pilot to take off, perform a short flight, and land.
• 39:06
  Travis: It doesn't leave much time for a long mission.
• 39:08
  Travis: The Pelicaris reports describe figures moving around homes, watching residents, and in Talia's account, grabbing someone and carrying out an assault.
• 39:16
  Josh: Yeah, eight minutes, you'd have to plan that real tight.
• 39:21
  Josh: I mean, you'd have to walk or drive to a certain spot, and then I mean it just yeah, that doesn't matter.
• 39:27
  Travis: Well, they probably did.
• 39:28
  Travis: I mean, they they could have, but we're also like you we're talking about tech that is visible now.
• 39:33
  Travis: And what I think we're seeing here is not that.
• 39:36
  Travis: They're testing it, and they're using the jungle and this community here to carry out some things that are, I think, a little nefarious.
• 39:45
  Travis: What we're not considering is how much money is out in the world and what that money can do for technology.
• 39:52
  Travis: Like it opens a lot of doors and can advance a lot of things and keep people quiet about a lot of things that money.
• 40:00
  Travis: Yeah.
• 40:00
  Travis: Yeah.
• 40:01
  Travis: Maybe.
• 40:02
  Travis: So now think about where all of this supposedly happened.
• 40:05
  Travis: A pilot would have to move around trees, branches, roofs, and small places near homes, and a pilot has little room for air.
• 40:11
  Travis: A crowded rainforest village isn't an easy place to operate that kind of equipment.
• 40:15
  Travis: And what about carrying another person?
• 40:17
  Travis: That's true.
• 40:18
  Travis: I mean, they tried, but they couldn't.
• 40:20
  Travis: And I think that was when they discovered the limits of what this thing can do, is when they tried to get another person and they couldn't lift her up.
• 40:28
  Travis: Yeah.
• 40:29
  Travis: A flight suit is designed around the pilot's weight and balance, adding a struggling passenger would change both.
• 40:34
  Travis: Toi's account describes two attackers handling her and then escaping into the air.
• 40:39
  Travis: That's not something we can simply assume a commercial suit could do.
• 40:42
  Travis: There's also the shape of the equipment.
• 40:44
  Travis: Witnesses talked about glowing circles or wheels beneath the figure's feet.
• 40:48
  Travis: Alberino said he found circular marks on the ground and connected them to those descriptions.
• 40:53
  Travis: But marks on the ground don't tell us what made them, and his team didn't recover a working flight device.
• 40:58
  Travis: The known limits of commercial turbine suits makes them a poor match for several parts of these stories, especially the reported quiet movement, tight spaces, and handling of another person.
• 41:07
  Travis: That doesn't prove the figures use some unknown technology.
• 41:10
  Travis: It only means the simple explanation of ordinary miners using off-the-shelf jetpacks has serious unanswered questions.
• 41:17
  Travis: And that's where Alberino began considering a different human explanation.
• 41:21
  Travis: Yeah.
• 41:22
  Travis: So this is like I was saying, this is not technology that exists right now, like with these miners who may have access to a lot of money and resources, but they're not going to have access to um uh come on, Josh, help me finish.
• 41:38
  Josh: Uh unknown tech, future tech.
• 41:40
  Josh: Sure, unknown tech.
• 41:41
  Josh: But yeah, I mean, it does raise a good point when using jetpacks.
• 41:45
  Josh: This is probably one of the last places you'd want to use it because of all the trees and like, I mean, it's the maze to try to get through.
• 41:53
  Josh: So if there are people using some sort of future tech jetpacks, this would be the hardest place to do this, I would imagine.
• 42:01
  Travis: But I would also mean like you would want if you're gonna test it, and this was the only place you could test it and still stay relatively covert, right?
• 42:09
  Travis: Like hidden, this is a great place for it.
• 42:12
  Travis: Plus, you get to really test what it can do, like its maneuverability.
• 42:16
  Travis: And this isn't the first time that these people were seen.
• 42:19
  Travis: I mean, the this community set up traps to catch these folks.
• 42:23
  Josh: Yeah.
• 42:23
  Josh: I mean, this community believes in it so much that they actually chop down a big wide circle around their whole village just so that they'd have a longer viewpoint.
• 42:33
  Josh: Yeah.
• 42:34
  Josh: I mean, they they believe for a fact that it's aliens or well, something.
• 42:40
  Josh: They believe it's something.
• 42:40
  Josh: They believe it is something and they believe it is not man.
• 42:44
  Josh: They believe it is something supernatural or extraterrestrial, not human.
• 42:49
  Josh: But the biggest clue wasn't what the figures were, what kind of tech they had.
• 42:53
  Josh: They spoke Spanish.
• 42:54
  Josh: They gave each other instructions, they worked together as one held on to Talia and the other used the cutting tool.
• 43:01
  Travis: But they also they used a cream and administered something in her nose and on her face to numb her and incapacitate her.
• 43:12
  Josh: Yeah.
• 43:12
  Josh: If her account is accurate, that sounds like people working together with a plan.
• 43:16
  Josh: Huh.
• 43:17
  Josh: Wait, go back and read that sentence again.
• 43:19
  Josh: Yeah.
• 43:19
  Josh: People.
• 43:20
  Josh: Mm-hmm.
• 43:21
  Josh: It does sound like people working together with a plan.
• 43:24
  Josh: Not aliens.
• 43:25
  Josh: No, it doesn't.
• 43:26
  Josh: Yeah.
• 43:27
  Josh: It doesn't sound like aliens.
• 43:28
  Josh: And that's where Alberino considered the possibility of a trained human group using unfamiliar equipment.
• 43:34
  Josh: He discussed possible motives such as intimidation, trafficking, or testing technology.
• 43:40
  Josh: But every possibility raises more questions.
• 43:43
  Josh: Who would organize this operation?
• 43:46
  Josh: I would not, I promise.
• 43:48
  Josh: You don't is that why your phone has just been so quiet lately?
• 43:52
  Josh: Yeah, I'm not operating anything.
• 43:54
  Josh: Yeah.
• 43:54
  Josh: How would they move people and equipment into a remote area?
• 43:58
  Josh: And then why would they?
• 43:59
  Josh: Take such risks near a village where residents had weapons.
• 44:03
  Josh: I remember Alberino mentioned that to his friend who was there, who was in the military, and he was like, Thornton?
• 44:10
  Josh: Yeah, Thornton.
• 44:11
  Josh: He asked a handful of friends, would you or any of your friends with expertise go into an area where everyone had 16-gauge shotguns?
• 44:20
  Josh: And they're like, absolutely not.
• 44:22
  Josh: I would never, even with all my training in the military, put myself in that situation.
• 44:26
  Josh: And I don't think many people would.
• 44:28
  Josh: So eventually, investigators noticed a date on the military calendar.
• 44:32
  Josh: In the summer of 2023, Peru hosted a multinational military exercise called Resolute Sentinel 2023.
• 44:41
  Josh: The main exercise ran from June 24th through July 22nd.
• 44:45
  Josh: An opening ceremony took place at Las Palmas Air Base in Lima on June 26th.
• 44:51
  Josh: Around 1,000 U.S.
• 44:52
  Josh: service members took part, along with personnel from Peru and Brazil, Colombia, Ecuador, Chile, Panama, Uruguay, and the United Kingdom.
• 45:00
  Josh: Public reports described training, medical work, engineering projects, and efforts to improve how the participating forces worked together.
• 45:09
  Josh: So here's why the timing caught the investigators' attention.
• 45:12
  Josh: Resident said that the Pelicaris reports began July 11th, and that was during the military exercise.
• 45:19
  Josh: The dates line up, the evidence?
• 45:22
  Josh: No.
• 45:22
  Josh: And overlap alone proves no connection.
• 45:25
  Josh: They don't place the exercise's personnel or any experimentable flight equipment in Alto Nene.
• 45:30
  Josh: They also don't connect any specific service member or unit to an attack in San Antonio.
• 45:36
  Josh: But Alberino did make a comparison to a story from Indonesia.
• 45:41
  Josh: Former U.S.
• 45:42
  Josh: Marine Michael Herrera claimed that during a humanitarian mission, he encountered armed people guarding an unusual large craft.
• 45:49
  Josh: Later theories connected that story to possible human trafficking.
• 45:53
  Josh: Yeah.
• 45:54
  Josh: Alberino used Herrera's account to suggest that people might operate strange technology outside ordinary public view.
• 46:00
  Josh: No.
• 46:01
  Josh: Why didn't you say something like that?
• 46:04
  Josh: Why didn't you believe me when I said something like that?
• 46:08
  Josh: It wasn't written.
• 46:09
  Josh: It was just words.
• 46:10
  Josh: Now it's written and I'm seeing it.
• 46:12
  Josh: And I was like, oh wow, wow.
• 46:14
  Josh: You're just so trusting, Josh.
• 46:15
  Josh: I guess.
• 46:17
  Travis: You read the stuff and you just believe what if it is written, it is true.
• 46:21
  Travis: I know, but you you're not looking past that story.
• 46:24
  Josh: I am.
• 46:25
  Josh: So Herrera's story is separate from Peru.
• 46:28
  Josh: It's unverified in the material we're using, and there's no established link between the two.
• 46:33
  Josh: It was just kind of an idea that he threw out, found some kind of correlation of potential possibilities.
• 46:38
  Josh: The covert operation theory may sound like it answers the questions of human behavior and unusual equipment at the time, but it also asks us to accept the existence of an unidentified group with weird, crazy, unreleased technology that hasn't been recovered or demonstrated in this case.
• 46:56
  Travis: So that story about endonesia, they used fear tactics using local mythology.
• 47:04
  Travis: They had killed some people, made two bite marks on their neck, hung them upside down, drained them of the blood to continue this narrative that it was vampires.
• 47:15
  Travis: And it worked.
• 47:16
  Travis: Oh, it fucking worked like a champ.
• 47:17
  Travis: Those kind of things like you play on a small community that has been around for a very long time and has, you know, religious rites and traditions.
• 47:27
  Travis: It's very powerful to use the local lore and mythology to manipulate them into thinking something.
• 47:33
  Travis: It makes them very afraid to go out, and it works 90% of the time, 100% of the time.
• 47:38
  Travis: Yeah, I could see that for sure.
• 47:40
  Travis: So by the end of 2023, four main explanations had formed.
• 47:46
  Travis: The prosecutor blamed illegal miners, Alberino considered a more advanced human group.
• 47:51
  Travis: Some residents believed the figures came from somewhere beyond Earth, and other people focused on fear, poor viewing conditions, and the spread of rumors.
• 48:00
  Travis: The illegal mining theory has a clear motive.
• 48:03
  Travis: Gold miners already worked along the rivers, authorities had faced armed resistance from some groups.
• 48:08
  Travis: San Antonio's leader had also reported threats to community land.
• 48:12
  Travis: Scaring residents could give miners more freedom to work.
• 48:15
  Travis: This theory still has to explain the reported flight equipment and connect real suspects to the encounters.
• 48:21
  Travis: So there's also fear and mistaken identity, and that could explain part of the story.
• 48:25
  Travis: Residents watch the trees at night after hearing reports of attacks.
• 48:28
  Travis: People shared descriptions throughout the community and online.
• 48:32
  Travis: Darkness, distance, stress, and past stories could affect how someone understood, like we're talking about, understood a shape, light, or movement.
• 48:40
  Travis: This theory also has to account for the reported assault and injury.
• 48:43
  Travis: So this is like what we're talking about.
• 48:44
  Travis: Like local lore, stories.
• 48:47
  Travis: Uh the advanced human theory gives more weight to Talia's account.
• 48:51
  Travis: Her attackers reportedly spoke Spanish, divided their work, and used tools.
• 48:55
  Travis: Those details fit human behavior.
• 48:57
  Travis: The theory also requires advanced flight equipment and an organization able to use it in a remote area.
• 49:02
  Travis: Evidence for that group has yet to appear.
• 49:04
  Travis: And we know for a fact that aliens don't work together and use tools.
• 49:10
  Travis: No, that hasn't been invented yet.
• 49:12
  Travis: I mean, is a spaceship a tool?
• 49:14
  Travis: Are laser cutting devices a tool?
• 49:17
  Travis: No.
• 49:17
  Travis: I I don't know.
• 49:18
  Travis: I mean, unless we're talking sonic screwdriver, then no.
• 49:21
  Travis: Uh so the alien theory focuses on the strangest details.
• 49:24
  Travis: Witnesses described hovering figures, armor, glowing feet, huh?
• 49:29
  Travis: And unusual craft.
• 49:31
  Travis: Hairo Avila said he believed the figures were extraterrestrials.
• 49:35
  Travis: Other people saw the same descriptions and pictured humans using technology.
• 49:38
  Travis: The sightings and the explanation of their origin remain two separate issues.
• 49:42
  Travis: So that is something that we talked about because Talia said yes, they spoke Spanish, which tells me she already didn't think that they were alien.
• 49:52
  Travis: And she described one as having an accent like a like a gringo, like uh, like a white person.
• 49:58
  Travis: And then she got extremely fearful when Alberino and Thornton and their crew showed up, and that was a big reason why she shut down at first, because she was like, Oh no, they're now coming to bury the story.
• 50:10
  Travis: Maybe could this be them coming again?
• 50:15
  Josh: Yeah.
• 50:16
  Travis: So the reports also came from several places.
• 50:18
  Travis: San Antonio, Nauta, Bagasan, and Uremaguas each had its own alleged events.
• 50:25
  Travis: Later retellings joined them under the Pelicaris name.
• 50:28
  Travis: More than one cause may have played a role across the region.
• 50:31
  Travis: The published record includes early statements from residents, claims from officials, and longer stories gathered by later investigators.
• 50:38
  Travis: The medical details, the flight devices, and the links between locations still need stronger records.
• 50:44
  Travis: That leaves the case open to several explanations.
• 50:46
  Josh: Yeah, I mean, it's possible it could be multiple different things, but they just seem like they're related, you know.
• 50:56
  Travis: I think it's of these four ideas the illegal mining theory, the fear and mistaken identity, the advanced human theory, the alien theory, I think three of those are related.
• 51:07
  Travis: Okay.
• 51:07
  Travis: Like using using stories to create a realm of fear.
• 51:12
  Travis: A narrative.
• 51:12
  Travis: Using their own, yep, using their own mythology against them, advanced human theory, just that they were using advanced technology not yet seen.
• 51:23
  Travis: The alien theory, kind I mean, that's kind of the the multiple different crafts is kind of what gets me with the alien theory.
• 51:31
  Travis: But I mean, like, what is what is alien to, you know, a a very indigenous person who's living very close to the land?
• 51:38
  Travis: I mean, they know Spider-Man.
• 51:40
  Travis: Yeah.
• 51:40
  Travis: I mean, anything very technologically advanced looks or acts like alien.
• 51:45
  Travis: So like if you squint, there that can be kind of looped in with this.
• 51:49
  Travis: It just depends on what your definition of what alien is.
• 51:53
  Travis: But I mean, they do have some video, like the one with the green glowing light.
• 51:58
  Josh: Yeah, they weren't even actually originally filming the alien, like the creature.
• 52:02
  Josh: Yeah.
• 52:02
  Josh: They're filming the ship up above.
• 52:05
  Josh: So yeah, the I mean, it's just wild.
• 52:07
  Josh: But yeah, to conclude all this, news stories focused on the absurdity of aliens, jetpacks, and face peelers, while people in San Antonio stayed awake, watched the pass around their homes, and asked the government to protect them.
• 52:20
  Josh: The alleged attack on Talia stands at the center of this story.
• 52:23
  Josh: She said two figures held her near her home.
• 52:26
  Josh: She is a credible witness and a scared child whose attackers remain unknown.
• 52:30
  Josh: The other reports added even stranger details.
• 52:32
  Josh: Witnesses describe figures rising into the air, lights beneath their feet, and the craft above a canoe.
• 52:37
  Josh: These stories deserve careful study.
• 52:40
  Josh: They also need clear records, independent accounts, and physical evidence.
• 52:44
  Josh: So the region already faced illegal mining and threats to indigenous land.
• 52:49
  Josh: That makes human intimidation a serious possibility.
• 52:51
  Josh: And then later testimony adds technology that people have struggled to explain.
• 52:56
  Josh: And that is kind of why this case keeps drawing attention.
• 53:00
  Josh: Every explanation leaves something unanswered.
• 53:02
  Josh: Like there's not a real solid explanation.
• 53:07
  Travis: No, but I mean, not necessarily.
• 53:10
  Travis: For me, there is, and that's money.
• 53:13
  Travis: It's always going to come down to money.
• 53:15
  Travis: If people are going to be protecting their assets, I mean, that's why cops exist.
• 53:20
  Travis: Cops aren't here to protect people.
• 53:22
  Travis: They were invented to protect property.
• 53:24
  Travis: And we hold property so valuable that when our country was founded, it was only property owners that were allowed to vote.
• 53:33
  Travis: And so the protection of these assets is exactly what is giving these people their their revenue, like gold or, you know, if we're going to say human trafficking of a sort by stealing people's fat, kind of like a liposuction ferry, you know, uh like a fat fairy.
• 53:56
  Travis: Maybe.
• 53:57
  Travis: I mean, if it if there's money involved, we'll find out a way to exploit it.
• 54:01
  Travis: Yeah, I mean, it's true.
• 54:02
  Travis: We, the royal we, as in humans, and especially uh American humans are some of the worst.
• 54:12
  Travis: We're greedy.
• 54:14
  Travis: We're I mean, humans, I think, are are greedy.
• 54:17
  Travis: We're very resource prone.
• 54:19
  Travis: And sometimes that looks, I mean, a lot of times it looks bad if you're taking or exploiting some other community.
• 54:27
  Travis: Yeah.
• 54:27
  Travis: We tend to hoard and sit on vast amounts of wealth or resources, and we do that in what we would call uh initially the greater good, but then that turns into a very myopic uh take on hoarding those resources.
• 54:42
  Travis: And then once you've collected them, kind of like a dragon, like the dragon just wants to sit and never wants to share any of those resources.
• 54:48
  Travis: Nobody can enjoy, you know, what has been gotten on someone else's shoulders.
• 54:53
  Josh: Yeah, the older generation that was raised by the people who went through the Great Depression, it was ingrained to them to hold on and keep whatever they have and you know, because it could go away at any point.
• 55:04
  Josh: Sure.
• 55:04
  Josh: I think we see that in a lot of different industries and business now as well.
• 55:09
  Travis: And it definitely I mean that's that's that's part of human evolution.
• 55:12
  Travis: I mean, that's how we get through the cold months.
• 55:14
  Travis: Yeah.
• 55:14
  Travis: It's holding on to like it's been going to store your store your your food.
• 55:18
  Travis: Yep.
• 55:18
  Travis: You store your food or you move.
• 55:20
  Travis: Mm-hmm.
• 55:21
  Travis: You move with the with the seasons.
• 55:23
  Josh: Yeah.
• 55:23
  Josh: So you've kind of dabbled here and there.
• 55:26
  Josh: Sounds like you're leaning pretty alien, but uh just when you God damn it.
• 55:31
  Josh: When you think of this story, what would you conclude with?
• 55:34
  Travis: Yeah, uh close closed book, it's aliens.
• 55:36
  Travis: It's aliens or nothing.
• 55:38
  Josh: Okay.
• 55:38
  Josh: Well, this is aliens, yes, but maybe no.
• 55:42
  Josh: And finally got me.
• 55:44
  Travis: Oh, did did you want to say something else?
• 55:47
  Travis: Um, this is I don't think this is aliens at all.
• 55:50
  Travis: Oh.
• 55:50
  Travis: This doesn't move the needle.
• 55:52
  Travis: This just to me reinforces how power and money corrupt and people will do just about anything to maintain that power and money.
• 56:02
  Travis: I mean, that's a huge possibility.
• 56:03
  Travis: Like so many things that we talk about on the show.
• 56:06
  Travis: The furthering of technology to be used as a weapon is, I think, one of our greatest flaws.
• 56:13
  Travis: Yeah.
• 56:14
  Travis: We we make weapons first and things that benefit humanity second.
• 56:19
  Travis: Uh distant, distant second.
• 56:21
  Travis: Like look at our military spending.
• 56:22
  Travis: Like trillions of dollars is spent on the military, and we have people here that are struggling to make ends meet.
• 56:30
  Travis: And we live in one of the most prosperous countries in the world, and we shouldn't have people living the way they do.
• 56:38
  Josh: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:39
  Josh: Anyone listening outside the United States, not knowing kind of what it's like, it is very tight financially.
• 56:46
  Josh: Yeah.
• 56:47
  Josh: So going back to like the storing and just kind of survival, yeah, we want to hold on to our things, and we, I think naturally, survival-wise, become a little greedy because it's scary and we don't know what can happen in the big picture of the world or just in our little small picture of our lives.
• 57:08
  Travis: Yeah.
• 57:08
  Travis: Money, money, power, resources, all of this.
• 57:11
  Travis: I mean, like it all, it all plays a part.
• 57:14
  Travis: That is like how we have evolved.
• 57:17
  Travis: Like, we've evolved to be very protective of the things that we have so that we have something to get us through the lean times.
• 57:24
  Josh: Yeah.
• 57:24
  Travis: Growing up in the Mormon church, they suggest that you have about five to seven years worth of food stored in your pantry just for, you know, those unexpected famine years.
• 57:37
  Travis: It's smart.
• 57:38
  Travis: Sure.
• 57:39
  Travis: But I can't afford that.
• 57:41
  Travis: Yeah.
• 57:41
  Travis: I mean, like if the if the world falls apart, I guess I don't know.
• 57:45
  Travis: I guess we'll just go on like little raids or whatever.
• 57:48
  Josh: Yeah, I should probably sit down and make a plan for that.
• 57:51
  Josh: Yeah.
• 57:51
  Josh: So for me, I think this whole thing, I mean, it is hard.
• 57:55
  Josh: I think there's holes in every one of those, like those four things you said, like the alien, the advanced tech, illegal mining.
• 58:02
  Josh: I I think there's holes in all of them, and it it is hard.
• 58:06
  Josh: I'm gonna go out on a limb and kind of combine a couple.
• 58:11
  Josh: I do not think it's illegal mining.
• 58:13
  Travis: That's what I that's what I did.
• 58:14
  Josh: Yeah, but I'm doing it different.
• 58:16
  Josh: Okay.
• 58:16
  Josh: Sure.
• 58:17
  Josh: Better.
• 58:18
  Josh: I'm doing it better.
• 58:19
  Josh: Yeah.
• 58:19
  Josh: Yeah.
• 58:20
  Travis: Um I I do not think I can't wait to hear this.
• 58:23
  Travis: This is gonna be so well worded.
• 58:24
  Travis: Hold on.
• 58:24
  Travis: I'm gonna, I'm gonna go on mute just so you don't hear my response and I'm not gonna throw you off.
• 58:30
  Josh: You're swearing.
• 58:31
  Josh: I do not think it is illegal mining.
• 58:35
  Josh: We have heard, whoa, hey, calm down over there.
• 58:38
  Josh: Hey, hey, let me, you're being more distracting now than okay.
• 58:42
  Josh: You can unmute.
• 58:43
  Josh: You alright?
• 58:44
  Josh: Yeah.
• 58:45
  Josh: Okay.
• 58:46
  Josh: Man, I got my heart going.
• 58:48
  Josh: Yeah, I I was worried.
• 58:50
  Josh: We have seen things or heard of things where there is maybe a collaboration with alien and human tech or just working together.
• 59:00
  Josh: So, I mean, that is a possibility.
• 59:01
  Josh: Some of these things don't necessarily make sense to me, like the unexplained flying crafts and just the smooth technology.
• 59:09
  Josh: Like, I just don't think we have that kind of technology that can move that smoothly.
• 59:14
  Travis: I yeah, of course you don't think that.
• 59:16
  Travis: But Josh, like, how involved are you in like military testing?
• 59:20
  Travis: How involved are you in uh like the technology community?
• 59:25
  Josh: I mean, pretty involved, man.
• 59:27
  Josh: I know.
• 59:28
  Josh: Well, I it's not something I brag about, but I mean it's well, I mean, not not on mic.
• 59:32
  Travis: I'll it is constant, you guys.
• 59:34
  Travis: Constant.
• 59:35
  Josh: No, I'm not in I'm not involved.
• 59:37
  Josh: I mean, we did just see that flying Tesla car, and that was pretty smooth, you know, but it was also very loud and sure.
• 59:45
  Travis: I mean, it was a little clunky, but to shrink that down to a person and time and time and time again, this happening that technology that is being used for that car has already probably opened up so many other avenues for things that we're not seeing, if that makes sense.
• 1:00:01
  Josh: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:02
  Josh: No, I mean it is very possible, but I'm not I'm not discounting the alien theory just because it I think I think there is something weird going on, you know.
• 1:00:12
  Josh: I mean, these are very, very smart people down in Peru, and they know the land.
• 1:00:19
  Josh: They've set up traps.
• 1:00:20
  Josh: So I don't think it's I yeah, I just they've thought this through, they're living through it, they're experiencing it, and I'm gonna probably side with them on this when it comes to something supernatural or alien, just because I I mean they're living it.
• 1:00:38
  Josh: Classic Josh.
• 1:00:39
  Travis: Yeah.
• 1:00:40
  Travis: Yeah, but they are also like right in the middle of it, and they don't have the perspective that some of us as observers have, where we're seeing different reports and have different things at play.
• 1:00:53
  Travis: They are just seeing what it looks like for them day to day, and this thing that has been threatening their community and has given them a lot of fear.
• 1:01:02
  Travis: So they're reacting to this very specific thing that is happening to them in the best possible way, using language that they're familiar with and experiences that they're familiar with.
• 1:01:13
  Travis: So like they've been attacked by minors before, they've been attacked by white people.
• 1:01:17
  Travis: They have a, I think, a healthy fear of some white people that have been in their community.
• 1:01:23
  Travis: So I just, I don't know.
• 1:01:24
  Travis: I I've I feel like for me, this is definitely a a a human thing.
• 1:01:30
  Travis: I would almost even say they're like Scooby-Doo villains.
• 1:01:33
  Travis: Mr.
• 1:01:34
  Travis: Miller come in with uh They're trying to like get him out?
• 1:01:37
  Travis: Yeah, he comes in as like a in a scary disguise using mythology to get them to leave their land so that they can continue mining down here.
• 1:01:45
  Travis: I mean, if they get them to leave, then this problem is solved.
• 1:01:48
  Travis: Scaring them out of a place where they've lived forever keeps them from having to go in and kill them all, right?
• 1:01:54
  Travis: Or buy them off if they just leave voluntarily.
• 1:01:58
  Travis: Yeah.
• 1:01:59
  Travis: I mean, it's yeah, it could, it could be.
• 1:02:01
  Travis: And they would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling Alberino and Thortons.
• 1:02:05
  Josh: I'm definitely leaning a little bit more towards alien, not all the way.
• 1:02:10
  Josh: Like there is no proof.
• 1:02:11
  Josh: You know, and that's the hard part with all of this, is there's no proof on any of it.
• 1:02:15
  Josh: Sure.
• 1:02:15
  Josh: You know, there's no tech, there's no, I mean, there's nothing.
• 1:02:18
  Josh: But I wouldn't discount like maybe a collaboration between some aliens, some human network that we don't know is going on.
• 1:02:27
  Josh: You know, if we're if the tech that hasn't been released is so advanced, maybe socially what hasn't been released is our cooperation with these non-human life forms.
• 1:02:37
  Travis: Yeah.
• 1:02:38
  Travis: So what are you thinking then as far as them stealing their fat or their faces?
• 1:02:43
  Travis: Is that like killer clowns from outer space where these aliens are just here popping off in this like basically a drive-thru getting a little snack for the road?
• 1:02:53
  Travis: Yeah, I don't I don't think it's a snack.
• 1:02:55
  Travis: You're talking about their chunk goo?
• 1:02:57
  Josh: Yeah, the the that they're sucking out the fat from these people.
• 1:03:00
  Josh: I mean, I would have no idea.
• 1:03:01
  Josh: I mean, I doubt it's a little snack.
• 1:03:03
  Josh: I don't think in a collaboration partnership that would be okay.
• 1:03:07
  Josh: I definitely think it's either for science or research.
• 1:03:11
  Travis: Well, what if it's like a deal, like you said, a collaboration?
• 1:03:14
  Travis: They're like, we'll let you use this technology, but it comes at a cost.
• 1:03:18
  Travis: Guess what that cost is?
• 1:03:19
  Travis: We're hungry.
• 1:03:22
  Travis: Uh, I mean, it could be.
• 1:03:24
  Travis: I mean, I'd have no idea.
• 1:03:25
  Travis: But it's like, oh, fuck, deal with the devil.
• 1:03:27
  Travis: All right, the technology.
• 1:03:28
  Travis: Let's just use uh the small community in Peru.
• 1:03:32
  Travis: This will be like the less disruptive place to do this.
• 1:03:36
  Josh: Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure, but that's kind of where I lie.
• 1:03:39
  Josh: Travis and I both want to know what you guys think because we are, I mean, at least I am.
• 1:03:44
  Josh: I'm still open.
• 1:03:45
  Josh: We both don't know.
• 1:03:46
  Josh: I'm sure some of you have done way more research than we have.
• 1:03:50
  Josh: Yeah.
• 1:03:50
  Josh: And we would love to hear your opinion on that.
• 1:03:53
  Travis: I'm open to the idea of this being tech, but I this does not seem like an alien interference at all to me.
• 1:04:00
  Travis: This is a hard no for me, dog.
• 1:04:02
  Travis: Okay.
• 1:04:03
  Josh: I'm like 60% alien.
• 1:04:05
  Josh: Jesus Christ.
• 1:04:06
  Josh: 40% alien, 60% alien human cooperation.
• 1:04:11
  Josh: So 100% alien.
• 1:04:12
  Josh: Well, no, I'm saying it's 40%.
• 1:04:14
  Josh: I'm at a 40%.
• 1:04:16
  Travis: You're saying 100% though is alien involvement.
• 1:04:19
  Josh: No, I'm saying uh uh alien.
• 1:04:23
  Travis: Yeah, I know.
• 1:04:23
  Travis: I mean 60% alien human collaboration, which is still 100% alien involvement.
• 1:04:29
  Josh: No, I'm saying I'm at a 40% it being alien.
• 1:04:32
  Josh: I would be at a 60% alien if that included the collaboration with humans.
• 1:04:38
  Josh: I don't understand your percentages.
• 1:04:39
  Josh: I don't know.
• 1:04:40
  Josh: I don't even know what's going on.
• 1:04:41
  Josh: But yeah, that's what we got for you guys on this Spooktober face peeler episode.
• 1:04:46
  Josh: Leave reviews, do all that stuff that you know you should, but forget.
• 1:04:51
  Josh: That really does help us a lot.
• 1:04:53
  Josh: Even just one review, one comment on something, it really drastically bumps us up in the algorithm.
• 1:05:00
  Josh: And these companies start pushing our show out a lot more.
• 1:05:03
  Josh: So thank you for listening.
• 1:05:04
  Josh: We do have one thing.
• 1:05:07
  Josh: I'm gonna try to read it correctly.
• 1:05:09
  Travis: Is there a new development, or is this just you giving a correction?
• 1:05:13
  Josh: So we read someone's email a while ago.
• 1:05:15
  Josh: Oh no.
• 1:05:16
  Josh: And they messaged me and let me know that we did get their last name wrong.
• 1:05:22
  Josh: And they actually said we butchered it.
• 1:05:23
  Josh: Oh, this is this is great.
• 1:05:25
  Josh: She said, Love from Sweden, the email you read last time, you butchered my last name, but I cherish your podcast.
• 1:05:31
  Josh: Consider this message five stars.
• 1:05:33
  Travis: So, what would be very helpful is you heard us struggle through the pronunciation of sites and locations and names in this podcast and in podcast pass.
• 1:05:43
  Travis: If you don't want us to butcher your name like we do some of the names on this show, include in your feedback how to pronounce your name.
• 1:05:51
  Travis: That would be very helpful.
• 1:05:53
  Josh: Yeah.
• 1:05:53
  Josh: Unless you want to hear us struggle, which I imagine might be part of the fun.
• 1:05:57
  Josh: It might be part of the fun.
• 1:05:58
  Josh: I'm gonna try to.
• 1:05:59
  Josh: Say it correctly this time.
• 1:06:01
  Josh: So the R lightly rolled or tapered at the end of the mouth.
• 1:06:05
  Josh: So Rune Bloom.
• 1:06:07
  Josh: Nailed it.
• 1:06:08
  Josh: I think.
• 1:06:08
  Josh: So it's Anna Rune Bloom.
• 1:06:11
  Josh: I I think I said Ronblom last time.
• 1:06:13
  Josh: Oh boy.
• 1:06:15
  Josh: Great.
• 1:06:15
  Josh: Uh great.
• 1:06:16
  Josh: So maybe butchered the name again.
• 1:06:18
  Josh: Oh, I probably did.
• 1:06:19
  Josh: And so we'll have another correction next week.
• 1:06:22
  Josh: Well, the issue is when I Google a pronunciation, I don't understand the phonetics in the language of that either.
• 1:06:28
  Josh: So it's a real lose-lose for me.
• 1:06:31
  Travis: Good.
• 1:06:31
  Travis: Well, good thing you brought it up.
• 1:06:32
  Travis: And so this is now less embarrassing, right?
• 1:06:36
  Josh: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:36
  Josh: But she did say at the end, I cherish your podcast.
• 1:06:40
  Josh: Consider this message five stars, which is why we're reading it.
• 1:06:44
  Josh: Yep.
• 1:06:44
  Josh: Because you know the rules.
• 1:06:45
  Josh: If it's five star review, we'll read it.
• 1:06:48
  Travis: I was gonna say we didn't make the rules, but yeah, we did.
• 1:06:51
  Travis: We 100% made the rules.
• 1:06:52
  Josh: Like I said, get a hold of us, and you know what that leads us to, right?
• 1:06:56
  Travis: You're gonna make me say it.
• 1:06:58
  Josh: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:59
  Travis: A fucking quiz.
• 1:07:00
  Travis: I mean, a fucking quiz.
• 1:07:04
  Josh: That's right.
• 1:07:05
  Josh: But we don't have a quiz today.
• 1:07:07
  Josh: Because our next episode is going to be.
• 1:07:13
  Josh: It's now?
• 1:07:14
  Josh: We're just starting right now.
• 1:07:15
  Josh: No, our next episode is gonna be called Clash of the Cryptids.
• 1:07:21
  Josh: Oh, okay.
• 1:07:22
  Josh: Basically, exactly what we did with Battle Aliens.
• 1:07:25
  Josh: Uh-huh.
• 1:07:26
  Josh: But we're doing it with Cryptids.
• 1:07:27
  Josh: March Madness Bracket.
• 1:07:28
  Josh: I got the okay.
• 1:07:30
  Josh: I got hold of Mr.
• 1:07:32
  Josh: Brackett, and he said I could use the March name.
• 1:07:34
  Josh: It's an I thought that was Mr.
• 1:07:36
  Josh: Madness.
• 1:07:36
  Josh: No, Mr.
• 1:07:37
  Josh: Madness is his father.
• 1:07:39
  Josh: Oh shit.
• 1:07:39
  Josh: Yeah, he's kind of retired.
• 1:07:41
  Josh: Mr.
• 1:07:41
  Josh: Bracket took over.
• 1:07:42
  Josh: But he's still he's still a mister.
• 1:07:44
  Josh: Oh yeah, they're all misters.
• 1:07:45
  Josh: That doesn't change.
• 1:07:47
  Travis: Long line of Misters.
• 1:07:48
  Josh: So we're gonna put together all of the cryptids that we've talked about and more that we probably haven't even heard of.
• 1:07:54
  Josh: Pish taco, hopefully.
• 1:07:56
  Josh: Maybe.
• 1:07:57
  Josh: But yeah, we're gonna put all these cryptids in a bracket and battle them and see who comes out on top.
• 1:08:03
  Josh: The victor.
• 1:08:04
  Travis: We should come up with a point system for this.
• 1:08:08
  Travis: Maybe do some die rolling.
• 1:08:10
  Travis: You just want to play DD so bad, don't you?
• 1:08:13
  Travis: Just do it.
• 1:08:14
  Travis: Just do it.
• 1:08:14
  Travis: But I mean, how else are we gonna do this?
• 1:08:16
  Travis: I have to convince you that my cryptid won, that my cryptid is better than your cryptid?
• 1:08:21
  Travis: Is that like I know that's how we did battle aliens.
• 1:08:24
  Josh: Jordan, our researcher, is gonna join us.
• 1:08:26
  Josh: She's gonna be the MC slash referee.
• 1:08:28
  Josh: The adjudicator.
• 1:08:29
  Josh: Yeah, if we can't prove our case well, then we're probably gonna lose.
• 1:08:34
  Travis: Okay.
• 1:08:34
  Josh: And she's the the final final judge.
• 1:08:37
  Josh: Yeah, easy.
• 1:08:38
  Josh: Easy.
• 1:08:38
  Josh: Well, that would kind of be easy for you, wouldn't it?
• 1:08:42
  Travis: Dang it.
• 1:08:42
  Josh: It's like punching a baby in a barrel.
• 1:08:44
  Josh: Oh, that is bad.
• 1:08:46
  Josh: Is it?
• 1:08:47
  Josh: Yeah, you don't punch babies.
• 1:08:48
  Josh: You didn't know?
• 1:08:49
  Josh: Punch babies in a barrel.
• 1:08:50
  Josh: Well, I guess if they're in a barrel, they're asking for it.
• 1:08:53
  Josh: That's exactly why they're in the barrel.
• 1:08:55
  Josh: Yeah.
• 1:08:55
  Josh: So yeah, keep an eye out for that episode.
• 1:08:58
  Josh: That's gonna drop in two weeks.
• 1:09:00
  Josh: Thank you for listening.
• 1:09:01
  Josh: Thank you, Jordan, for everything.
• 1:09:05
  Josh: Everything is a big word, too, and we mean it.
• 1:09:08
  Josh: We do.
• 1:09:09
  Josh: We really do.
• 1:09:09
  Josh: Everything.
• 1:09:10
  Josh: That's all we got.
• 1:09:11
  Josh: And we'll chat at you next time.
• 1:09:13
  Travis: Okay.
• 1:09:13
  Travis: Bye.
• 1:09:14
  Travis: Bye.