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Gaming Through The Years, AI in Music & Rap Beef - #89 · The Grounded Show

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  Yoh, so you said that you caught that WWE game. Yeah, you
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  were mentioned in the season mode. But how is the game itself, Like,
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  how does it play? It's good man compared to like like the games
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  that the Wrestling Wings we grew up with. It's just the most realistic style
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  of wrestling that you can experience in the game. The graphics they don't lag.
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  The moves are super simple. They're like they brought it down to like
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  just like Mortal Kombat moves, Like the first button sets up the movie you
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  want to do. So each each grapple sets you have like it kind of
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  it's kind of like a tree. So if you hit one button, it
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  gives you four types of moves. Each one of those four types of moves
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  get you four other types of moves depending on where you have the joystick at
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  and each one of the yeah and each one of those moves how it used
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  to be yeah, and depending on if you hit one of the triggers,
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  then you alternate that move at. Also, it's not like you have to
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  remember a different type of combos. You just know, all right, if
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  I'm hitting this button, this is what I got, hitting this one,
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  this is what I got you know how to alter all the moves, and
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  it's just it's really easy to learn, it's really easy to manipulate. It's
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  really great great game development in my opinion. Yeah, man, that's always
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  been my gripe with the wrestling games. So I played the demo like maybe
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  two K twenty one or something like that, and it was just too much
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  bro. Like the mechanics of it was so like extra and it was not
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  friendly at all, and it's like, bro, it wasn't even fun.
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  It was too much. And that's why I never really like tried it again
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  because I played. I was telling Joe earlier that I played the two K
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  fourteen, the ww two K fourteen that had like the WrestleMania moments and stuff
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  where you would do like famous matches and you would have like scenes in the
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  match like once you do certain things in the match, and that was pretty
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  dope. But after that they changed the mechanics and I wasn't really feeling it.
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  Yeah, that is a difference that the studios go through in it.
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  It's because they are different studios for us the game development and different game engines
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  and stuff. And I think what they have now, they've really mastered the
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  gameplay. Yeah, I think Call of Duty was like the first game that
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  really put me onto that because I remember when you would get like a Call
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  of Duty Modern Warfare and then a Black Ops would drop. I didn't like
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  Black Ops like nowhere near as much as I liked like the Modern Warfare series.
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  Yeah, even played different, and I'm like, man, I don't
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  like, like why I don't like this game? It's Call of Duty.
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  And then that's when I kind of got hit to like, Okay, two
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  different studios make these games, Like I think it was like Infinity Great,
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  Infinity Ward and Trey Arc, you know what I mean. One made Infinity,
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  Ward made Modern Warfare, and Trey Arc made Black Ops. So it
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  was like I was gonna ask, how would you compare the two K twenty
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  four to I think it was two K twenty three like the last last year's
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  Oh it's so much better. They simplified the menu platform of how you can
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  do things, and they simplified they made the controls a lot more easier,
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  and I think that simplification that what they did makes the game more enjoyable because
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  you don't have to go through all these crazy loose and bounds to figure out
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  what the hell you want to do? Yeah, yeah, I definitely want
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  to try. You definitely piqued my interest because, like I said, the
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  controls have always been the thing that it's like they found a good formula and
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  then they try to change it. It's like, why would you change it?
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  It works right? Yeah? Right, just make it better, but
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  don't change it. And they have like the my faction like with you have
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  like Madden Ultimate Team and stuff where you like open or you open decks of
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  cards and you build out your whole squad. The more you do, yeah,
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  the more you the more challenged you, the better cards you get.
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  So you have a lineup of like four men for women, and the better
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  you do, you read more cards with better players, and you just build
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  up your lineup with the most exclusive squad and you could take that squad online
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  and battle other squads and it you know, it's yeah, it's a dope.
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  It's a dope game. So you that you play two K basketball and
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  you play two K football, I mean two K wwe how do you compare
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  those two games? Because I haven't really played either one, so how would
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  you, Oh, I compare them to be the same. It's just different.
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  Sport, and they even have like my GM where you could just run
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  the league, you don't even have to play. But then you have like
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  the Creative Player mode where you could be an up and coming start You start
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  like an NXT and you have to go up the ranks and get promoted to
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  Raw or SmackDown, and you could choose when you go to yeah, choose
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  you want to challenge, do promos. It's really interesting to see how like
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  I was playing Madden twenty four the other day and how EA has kind of
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  started to replicate a lot of what two K does in their in their game,
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  like as far as is like just the modes and you know what I
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  mean, the mind player, you know what I mean. They had to
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  kind of like keep up with those those versions you know those Uh, I
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  guess I don't even know the word. I'm looking for game modes. Thank
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  you. It's crazy how EA had it kind of unlock even where NBA Live
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  because you know, we're old enough to remember when two K was kind of
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  like, bro, we're not playing two K, We're playing live, you
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  know what I mean. Like it's crazy to say it now, but that
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  was a live was the superior mode game back then. They had the history,
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  you know what I'm saying. They had been around from the nineties.
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  The gameplay was super dope and there's they're actually NBA Live is one that they
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  dramatically changed the way the game played, and it was like, Bro,
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  they happened. We lost everybody. They did it to themselves. I feel
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  like they lost it for sure, yeap, because I remember NBA Live like
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  when it was like PS one, PS two, NBA Live was where it
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  was at, you know what I mean, sure for sure so one bro
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  Yeah, NBA Live had that like feel of you're watching the game on tn
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  T or something. Yea soundtrack, even when you choose the players, the
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  cut scene, you know, it was just a vibe. Bro Live was
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  Live was dope. Man Live was like an underrated game that It's funny because
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  those games that like every year come out, like the updates, like sports
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  games and things like that, those games always kind of get lost when you
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  think about games that you like and stuff, because you don't really consider those
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  games like to be you know, like a story mode game or something like,
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  you know, with more playability, you know, and those those dunk
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  contests were the best dunk contests that's do cartwheels and shit and do like the
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  craziest stuff and it was super easy to do them. Yeah. I've seen
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  that on TikTok recently. Like people were just paying homage to that dunk contest
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  in NBA Live because it was, like you said, it was so innovative.
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  It was dope. I remember me of my boys, like we used
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  to do that dunk contest like and talk mass ship easy. Yeah you know
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  what I'm saying, Like we never could pull off the move. Was it
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  done? Yeah? Yeah. Another game from that era that just went away
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  was Fight Night, Man, but I still played Fight Night Champion, Like
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  I still play that bro Dispute. This is going to be the next up
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  and coming for that. I still have it, but it's still it's crazy.
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  I was still in bado mode. It's not even fully Yeah, two
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  or three years, it does look like it's gonna be dope though. Man,
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  I remember I remember one time I stayed over a homie's crib and we
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  were playing Fight Night and I was trash, like I never I never played
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  him because I was never like a video game guy, like I always sucked
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  at every game, so like I just didn't even do it to myself,
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  you know what I mean. But just for whatever reason that day, I
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  was like, all right, bet, i'll play, so we play.
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  And that's just like playing stupid because I suck at the game. But I
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  was lighting him up. Bro, Yeah, she used to get you mad.
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  Yo. I was working him that whole first round and then it was
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  back in the day, so it was like a PS one or PS two,
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  so the thing froze in between rounds, you know what I mean.
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  And I was like, man, dog, I was like, nah,
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  dog, I was already pounding you too much. I'm done. And I
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  didn't play him again after that, Bro, I didn't. I didn't keep
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  playing him, and he was hot. Bro let go from mad years.
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  She's like, you know, if we would have restarted that, I was
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  about to wax you. I'm like, bro, I'm not even gonna.
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  I never played him again, literally, and he's still to this day he
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  wants to run that game back. That's an argument. Now. I ain't
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  know, Quincy, you're Madden player when when it's messed, when it's like
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  glitching, even like with the kickoffs and in the beginning, like you're like,
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  yo, no, got we got to start that over that's crazy,
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  Bro. That's why I hate playing online. Bro. I really do really
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  hate playing online, man, because it's like, yo, you already know,
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  butro, It's like if we were in the same room, you know
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  that would that happened? Bro? Yeah, if there's a lag or a
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  slipe it. But I remember there there was a glitch and I was playing
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  My Boy where the meter for the kickoff was covered by like the controls of
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  the game, and you're to get out of it, so I couldn't even
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  see them. So I was just kicking it everywhere, getting out of bounds
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  every single time. And I'm like, brother, like, there's no way
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  this game counts, like for real, Like this game counts. Remember two
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  K used to have the glitch where it would do it would go to like
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  a cut scene when you were shooting a free throw, and it would be
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  a cut scene that's not even looking at the court throw, you know what
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  I mean, because the game is registering like you're in the free throw,
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  you know what I'm saying. And then if you're just like in the beginning,
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  if you didn't catch it, you would get like a violation for not
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  ye free throw, you know what I mean, because you take too long
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  and you're like, what the heck? And it was because that had that
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  camera glitch. Yo. Real talk though, tell me if y'all have ever
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  had like the real deal arguments in real time. You in the same living
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  room playing whatever game Madden, NBA, and y'all was really by the fight.
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  Oh yeah, to my boy lewis Man. When we was in middle
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  school, Dog, we used to play NFL Blitz Like I used to sleep
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  over. I was gonna play NFL Blitz and we would pause the game in
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  box mid game. Yeah, boxing gloves at the crib. Yeah, arguing
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  about Blitz. Bro. It'd be like three in the morning. We're in
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  the top floor of a three story apartment, Dog and we just pull out
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  the gloves and start yo. Yo. It was wild. I still remember
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  yea. I know Gary, my boy Gary sound Bank. We was.
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  We was in the I think we was like playing NBA, Bro, and
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  he got tight and he threw my control on the floor. So I stood
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  up. I said, throw my control on the floor again. Yo.
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  We was like eye to eye, like like Devin Hate and Ryan Garcia.
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  I was like, throw my ship on the floor again, and he was
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  yo, and he was like I was like, get out of my house.
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  I was like, Yo, all of this over a two K game.
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  It's crazy to me, Like remember when I was a JIT, But
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  I was like, probably this before I moved to Florida. Bro. I
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  was like eleven years old and my step dad his friends would come over.
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  They would play Madden, Bro and Bro. I would used to wax them
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  old niggas Bro. I would wax Bro. They would leave the house mad
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  Bro. They would be like, nah, double the nutting, Bro,
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  double nutting. Like they would bet me money, Bro. They would bet
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  me money like I'm an eleven year old kid. Wow Bro that they used
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  to leave the house mad dog. Yeah, video games cass fights for sure.
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  I remember one time in Wentworth Bro my brother when my brother was small,
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  he had to be like probably like eight or something, and my boy
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  Edgar came through because we used to play Halo all the time. My brother
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  was talking mad junk to him, like, Yo, if you put in
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  that tech and a pound, you this, this, and that, like
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  just unprovoked out of nowhere, Like nobody was talking about Teching nothing. He
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  had just been playing Teching for Little Bit, so he thought he had the
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  game mastered, you know, what I mean, he's just talking. Helicraps
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  to Edgar were like sixteen, my brother's like eight. And then Edgar's like,
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  you know, you know, he's all right, bet, let's play.
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  You know. Edgar's like Dominican. He had just came from d R
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  you know what I'm saying, and he's playing my brother and he's pounded him,
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  and he's telling my brother, Dag, I never even played these games
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  before. It's like destroying you. Yo. My brother got so hot.
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  He was so furious that day. He was like going off the deep end,
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  bro, because imagine he was egging him on the whole time to play
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  him in the game. He never even played the game before, and then
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  he just straight waxed him, Like that's the word someone who's not even good
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  at that game waxes you go, you bet you don't even want to play
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  that off? Turn this off. He still remembers that to this day.
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  Bro. That's hilarious. Yeah, man, the video Like you said,
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  Joe, the video gaming thing is funny. Man, Like we Quincy remembers,
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  Man, we was not playing about that Halo. Bro. He stopped
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  playing basketball for a little bit because of that Halo. Bro, what's it
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  called Angel would ride his bike from where he stayed at, which was like
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  not that close, you know what I'm saying. He would come with his
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  Xbox in his book bag. I remember the first Xbox that was a brick,
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  bro. Yeah, that was a big job, yo. He would
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  ride like it was like probably like twenty five thirty minute bike ride, you
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  know what I'm saying. He was dedicated with Xbox in his backpack. My
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  boy Kevin had the System Link. Yeah, so Kevin would come with his
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  TV in the System Link. Quincy would come, Would you bring your Xbox?
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  Yeah? Because that was when you lived right across from me. So
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  I would come right across the street with mine and we would We used to
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  have your apartment, bro. We used to have every room with a TV
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  basically and four people in each eighteen people in my freaking two bedroom Armen and
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  Wentworth. Bro. My mom would get home from work. She would be
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  furious, Bro, she was like, everybody get out of my house.
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  I would be mad high. Everybody's smelling like arm pit. You just balls,
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  four dudes in every room. Paulse just ready to go. I remember,
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  yeah, I remember that it was battle rifles and it was no shields,
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  you get a headshot and that's it. You're done. Yeah, Halo
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  golded broaded the Halo that Angel was talking about, so like whenever anybody's ready
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  to play, we used to do that. We used to run shoddy snipers,
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  oaper and then we had you know, the person who had the sword,
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  like you cheating being you cheating with that sword? That sword for real?
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  Whoever had the sword? Now you cheating? Be Come on, all
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  you do, all you could do is do that sword. That's the only
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  way you can win. Or the rocket launcher. It was the race of
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  the rocket lounchers too. Remember Halo that when you play online, they had
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  the ranked mode. You know what I'm saying. You would play ranked and
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  then every once in a while you would have people that they just like,
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  we're tired of playing against other good people, so they would just tank the
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  game, like they would kill themselves or yeah, and then you would get
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  so mad, bro, because you know what I'm saying, it would ruin
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  your rank, like it was like if you at the same rank, or
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  bring you down because you lost that game or you guys got destroyed or whatever.
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  That that that Halo online was mad competitive, bro. That shit was
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  super dope. Facts. I definitely I went to like tournaments with Halo.
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  Bro. I actually want money with Halo. Bro. Yeah you were nice,
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  Bro. You hustled us. I always always show up. He hustled
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  us. Bro. He came man humble, like he never played a video
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  game in his life. He showed up with the remote, but we was
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  hit by the time. By the time he came around, Angel had already
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  came around and waxed us. And we with a remote too. And because
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  we were just like, you know, like we ain't oh we didn't have
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  computers and nothing, so we ain't had like the the you know, technique
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  stuff. We didn't know. We were just playing like like you know in
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  Zulander when they're like throwing the computer around and stuff. Where Bro, we
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  ain't know what the fuck we was doing. We didn't even know that the
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  online. Angel was the one that told us, like, yo, you
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  know you can play online with this right like that that's crazy. Yeah,
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  we already do with Angel, like he came with his own remote. He
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  came and waxed us. By the time he came with his own remote,
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  We're like, oh, then I feel like it's not good, you know,
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  what's wild though, And like as much as technology technology has changed,
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  as far as the game and development, we were able to play online so
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  easily back then with like no fast speed internet, and it was so much
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  fun. And now it's like you got to have the mega Internet in order
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  to keep up with everybody else, and if you don't, you right back
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  then that back then your internet speed didn't matter. It matter how good you
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  were exactly. It's crazy because I heard that Ninja dude talking about it and
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  basically, you know, I don't know exactly what it is, but you
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  know how the pings in the game, like you want to have less things.
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  It's basically like how long bounce off the tower right the signal to come
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  back? So he said that there's only like certain places in the States that
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  you could even go, like you have to move, and a lot of
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  gamers have done it, like they'll move to the place that has zero ping,
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  like, yeah, there's probably nobody around them it has internet at all.
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  Yeah, and you literally can't, like there's places in the United States
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  that you can't get that good of a connection, Like you have to move
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  to a certain place to do it. And there's streamers that have done it.
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  You know what I'm saying, Because obviously, if that's your bread and
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  butter and you want to isolated, yeah, you want to have every advantage
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  you can have. Having the best reaction time as far as your internet and
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  your game is going to be super clutch. Yeah. If you're in an
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  area with ten fifty thou people in this one internet connection there and everybody's sharing
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  that one, there's nothing you can do about that, right. Yeah,
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  It's crazy. Man. The gaming thing, the way that it has turned
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  and how it's gotten is even like wild. Just to see how it's unfolded
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  and everything, how popular the content is, Like, it's wild. And
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  that's well, like obviously they took a big dip after COVID, but it's
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  I feel like it's held up pretty well more than I thought. But that's
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  the shift in the evolution of technology and everything, and that's like I think,
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  shout out to Ronnie. He made a good point of the Joe Rogan
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  episode, like we're in the we're the generation who had experience that, Like
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  this generation has never had experience that. All technology now, even like with
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  AI and everything that's coming with that and all the automated ship, Like we
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  had to deal with that ship back then. There's a lot of people in
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  this younger generation who never had to deal with that. All they know is
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  this, and that's why they're so good and they got that advantage, and
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  that's why I think like we're more accustomed to like, all right, our
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  ship lags, our ship slow whatever, that's part of the game. Dealt
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  with this before. With them, they're like, no, there, that's
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  there's that's not a possibility for us. Yeah, that's it's crazy, man,
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  Do you go ahead, go ahead ahead? I was gonna say,
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  but do you think when it comes to like the AI stuff, we're getting
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  ahead of ourselves in a sense? I always felt like that to be real.
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  Yeah, yeah, I think even the simplicity of things, you know,
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  there's and I'm an iPhone lover, there's some things my iPhone is doing
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  too much. Like you're doing too much, Bro, you're doing too much,
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  Like slow down, Like I don't need you to do all this stuff
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  because you're stopping me from doing the simple things I want to do by trying
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  to guess everything I want to do, Like you're doing too much. I
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  feel like we already have too much access as is, you know, what
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  I mean, Like there's I don't think it's it's like a personal theory of
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  mine that I don't think people are supposed to be this stimulated. I guess,
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  say you know what I mean, Like, I feel like the reason
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  why a lot of people are having all these issues and different things that are
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  coming up, you know, just as far as just anything, bro,
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  like pick you know, close your eyes and pick a symptom. All that
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  stuff is coming from overstimulation, whether it be food, whether it be media,
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  whether it be entertainment screens. Like just so much is going on as
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  people and then as we move into the AI, like it's going to get
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  to the point where like you don't even need to connect with other people because
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  you can have a real time conversation with a thing that's going to be smarter
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  than whoever you talk to, but it's going to talk to you the way
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  you wanted to talk to you. That's like, to me, that's like
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  crazy crazy from the point of view of like you need some kind of friction,
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  bro. Like this whole like everybody having this you know, luxurious kind
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  of life thing is like I don't know, bro, I feel like that's
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  definitely the wrong direction. Of going. I agree, we are the builders
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  of AI. In fact, I mean we're the database, bro, all
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  this data that's been compiling on the Internet since the beginning. Bro. It's
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  literally it's crazy, dog, because you think about all them old movies and
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  things that you've seen and things that you heard and things that have happened,
• 21:18
  Like it's all kind of laid out already, you know what I'm saying,
• 21:22
  kind of like you're saying, Joe with the AI, Like we already laid
• 21:26
  out the path for the AI. So it's gonna feel familiar because it's been
• 21:30
  happening already all along. Like people think about AI just from the point of
• 21:34
  view of like a computer generating something in an instant, But you know,
• 21:40
  artificial intelligence goes back before just computer screens, you know what I mean.
• 21:45
  It's something that it's just crazy, dog. Like I don't know, man,
• 21:52
  I don't know. I just feel like we're entering like a stage where
• 21:56
  it's very uncertain as far as like how stability is is gonna like what is
• 22:00
  going to be stable at that point? Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
• 22:03
  Like what's going to be the baseline of like a human life or like
• 22:07
  an expectation for a person or how somebody's gonna live. Because another thing is
• 22:11
  seeing those like futuristic type movies and stuff where every it looks like everybody's living
• 22:18
  in like a New York type atmosphere where they're you know, reduced to a
• 22:22
  little space. There's a lot of stuff going on, big screens everywhere telling
• 22:26
  everybody, oh remember this, remember that. You know, like everybody's getting
• 22:30
  their information from all the screens and everything. And you would see stuff like
• 22:33
  that, like you know, the movie The Fifth Element and just old stuff
• 22:37
  like that. Then you'd be like, man, that looks crazy, but
• 22:40
  dog like, it's just right there, It's right around the corner. It
• 22:42
  is, so you think it is in And there's so many people who take
• 22:48
  so much advantage of that. And I work in the technology field, so
• 22:52
  I meet people who instead of having a human do the job and giving a
• 22:57
  human the ability to make money and have a job and get paid to do
• 23:02
  it, they're like, Oh, I know how to get this ship to
• 23:03
  be done automated and get done automatically. I'm like, why do you want
• 23:07
  to replace people's jobs for like, they got to make a living, they
• 23:11
  got to support their family. Is like, and you're coming up ways to
• 23:15
  replace them. Oh, yeah, we don't even need someone to do this
• 23:17
  anymore. Like why why? And I think that that that's agreed of certain
• 23:22
  people that they want to be the person that can control and replicate the job
• 23:30
  of eight peoples with one person, and that that's just that's why I don't
• 23:33
  like, I don't like the ethics of that, like that, that doesn't
• 23:37
  make sense to me why people feel that certain type of way when it even
• 23:40
  goes to the like the whole self checkout concept. You know what I'm saying,
• 23:44
  Like you are they doing that? You want me to you know what
• 23:48
  I'm saying, do the job of somebody that's supposed to be trained to do
• 23:52
  this job. I'm coming here to spend money, Yet you want me to
• 23:56
  perform the duties of somebody that you're supposed to be paying. Yeah, that
• 24:00
  you want me to go to the person that as I leave to verify that
• 24:03
  I've done this job correctly. And in theory, aren't we supposed to be
• 24:07
  getting some kind of discount or services should be cheaper right right? Yeah?
• 24:11
  I mean you're eliminating a stage of the business model basically save money and to
• 24:18
  get people in and out in a better way. So why aren't we seeing
• 24:21
  the effects of that? Why is the price is going up? That's why
• 24:23
  if there's a lane open, unless it's super busy, I don't do self
• 24:26
  check out, like, bro, I ain't coming here to work. Yeah,
• 24:30
  I don't work here. Ring my shit up, back my shit up.
• 24:32
  That's what y'all get paid for. Not even trying to sound like you
• 24:34
  know the facts like that, but yeah, like there's a reason I came
• 24:37
  to the store to spend my money, and my money includes y'all ringing my
• 24:41
  shit up and backing my shit. I take my stuff to the car,
• 24:45
  like, I don't make people do that, but you are like paying cashiers
• 24:48
  and baggers. Yeah, at the end of the day, bro, Like
• 24:52
  I came in here, I put the stuff in my car. Why do
• 24:53
  I have to take the stuff out my car to scan it, to put
• 24:56
  it in bags, to put it back in my part, to bring it
• 25:00
  to my car. And I'm not even getting paid or any kind of discount
• 25:03
  to do it. No, I'm gonna go to that one lane that got
• 25:07
  somebody getting paid to do it exactly. You know, it's crazy kind of
• 25:11
  going back to what y'all was saying about just the ethics with the AI and
• 25:15
  stuff like that. You know, it kind of like crept into the rap
• 25:18
  scene with like the AI dishes and stuff. The guy that came out and
• 25:22
  said, oh, I was the one that made Yeah, you know,
• 25:26
  he kind of explained the process of what he made when he made it and
• 25:29
  stuff like that, and it's like kind of exactly what you said, Joe.
• 25:32
  It's like he was able to do it and it was easy enough for
• 25:34
  him to put it together, and he just did it, and the algorithm
• 25:38
  aka the AI did his thing, and it just spread like wildfire to the
• 25:42
  point where like even like some people in Drake's camp was insinuating that it was
• 25:48
  real because it was whack. You know, they're trying to say it's AI
• 25:52
  because it's whack, But this is real, you know what I mean.
• 25:56
  And it's just like the way the waters have gotten muddy with it, even
• 26:00
  to the point where like Rolling Stone is writing articles about it, how like
• 26:03
  the AI thing is just muddying the waters with the diver and it's like,
• 26:07
  man, like you just get it's it's honestly bro Like maybe it's that old
• 26:14
  school thing or maybe it's just because we not coming up in that era exactly.
• 26:18
  But you kind of feel robbed just from you know, just a lot
• 26:22
  of different things because you're almost desensitized to even expect something dope you because that
• 26:29
  build up in the anticipation of waiting for it, and you're wasted on something
• 26:33
  that's not even real. So when then when the real world comes out,
• 26:37
  you're like, I don't know this just real, Like, I don't even
• 26:40
  I'm not even that. That's what drew me away from even giving a ship
• 26:42
  about all this rap beve like, and everybody's asking me, I'm like,
• 26:45
  yo, just look it up. They're like, why isn't an Apple music?
• 26:48
  Why isn't that here? I was like, it's probably not real,
• 26:51
  Like what was it? Some someone put a put a thing. It's like
• 26:56
  Nas released that ship on this album and the first words on it was fucked
• 27:00
  jay Z. You knew who he was talking about. You knew it was
• 27:03
  him. It was direct. All that shit was direct. People were dropping
• 27:08
  videos. It was direct. Now it's like you have to figure it out,
• 27:12
  is this real or not? And we're hearing that intro for the first
• 27:18
  time, tho you know whose voice that was? Right? That's Tupac's voice.
• 27:23
  Oh dang, that's crazy. H yeah, fu jay Z fuck And
• 27:30
  so he slowed that down folk, jay Z, that's super. I didn't
• 27:34
  know that. You just i't know neither. But yeah, man, even
• 27:40
  just the artificial side of the humans involved in this before like, it's taking
• 27:45
  this turn where Rick Ross and Drake are comparing mansions and you got grown men
• 27:51
  commenting on the mansion size of another man like and at them and each other,
• 27:56
  you're talking about square footage and ship like. Bro, I'm totally turned
• 28:02
  off about us. And it's exactly like what you said. Joe Nas dropped
• 28:07
  the disc. Jay Z dropped the this. They called into the radio stations
• 28:11
  said their piece. They called before and after the tracks dropped, they took
• 28:15
  the verdict of the listeners and and you know, took it on the chin.
• 28:19
  And you know, whoever won, whoever lost, they both kept moving.
• 28:23
  The guy that lost that battle ended up being the biggest rapper. I
• 28:26
  mean, he didn't come out worse for it, that's for sure, you
• 28:30
  know what I'm saying. You look at Drake. You know he had that
• 28:33
  battle with Push, you t he lost that, he did he come out
• 28:37
  worse for it. Nope, he just kept making records and literally making records,
• 28:41
  you know what I'm saying, breaking records and it's like, bro,
• 28:45
  this is I like, I liked Drake when with the meek Mill battle and
• 28:48
  he did back to back and charged up and he performed it on tour and
• 28:53
  he dropped it on his ol Vo SoundCloud like he was so direct with that.
• 28:59
  And I think because me Mill was not at the level of push your
• 29:03
  t and not at the level of Ken Drake, and so he fell balls
• 29:07
  enough to do it. He should have kept that same energy forever and then
• 29:11
  I would have respected it. But now I don't respect anything that he drive
• 29:14
  as far as go ahead, no, as far as like this record.
• 29:18
  That was a hilarious thing about that beef too, because you know, a
• 29:22
  lot at that time, like the people around me was like, oh,
• 29:25
  meet Mills about to wash him this is and that he used to free style.
• 29:27
  I'm like, bro, listen, meek Mill is a street rapper.
• 29:32
  He's hard and he's dope. You know what I'm saying. You know that
• 29:34
  early big Meal stuff he was spitting, bro, But if you really listen,
• 29:38
  you can and you listen to Drake like you knew which way that battle
• 29:44
  was going. Bro. Like, meek Mill did not have the lyrical firepower
• 29:47
  to go at Drake and hold his own in that battle. Bro Like it
• 29:51
  just and the stature. And that's why like to dig it in even more
• 29:56
  Drake when they heard the whole story about when they was at the hotel.
• 30:00
  Oh yeah, and then Drake rented out the whole top floor above meek Mill
• 30:04
  and then played blasted that back to back track all fucking super loud like that.
• 30:11
  That just like checked off every box like I'm bigger than you, I'm
• 30:15
  better than you. And that's that's what ends rapis this ship d MS.
• 30:22
  I can't even tell you no responses, delayed responses, just memes like you
• 30:29
  when this comes to Rapie, if you can't use the current trends, go
• 30:34
  ahead real quick. The thing I heard, actually Charlemagne the guy say,
• 30:40
  is something that's getting lost in all this is Kendrick hasn't responded, Bro,
• 30:42
  He's on the clock. Everybody was saying, where's Drake at, where's Kendrick
• 30:47
  at? Mm hm. Didn't I agree with you on that? My thing?
• 30:52
  What I was going to say last was, you know, like my
• 30:56
  whole issue with this is like this, I feel like the more and I
• 31:00
  don't know when it will change. I don't know if it will ever change.
• 31:04
  But the deeper we go into this social media culture, the deeper we
• 31:10
  go into this cloud chasing culture, and I feel like that's what it's becoming.
• 31:15
  Because, like you said, the Meek Mill Drake, that was what
• 31:18
  twenty sixteen, Yeah, that was a different time, you know what I'm
• 31:22
  saying, Like, yeah, we had social media, but the level of
• 31:26
  cloud chasing now, I mean, look at the whole AI situation. This
• 31:29
  guy literally came out like, Hi, guys, I'm the culprit. I'm
• 31:33
  the one that made the AI. Just it's me, you know what I'm
• 31:37
  saying. It's like, bro, like that don't make That's lame as hell,
• 31:40
  Like you know what I'm saying, Like, why would you do that?
• 31:42
  The way everybody moves nowadays because of the social media stuff, I compare
• 31:47
  it to like how boxing is now, Like every boxer now they got to
• 31:52
  be undefeated. They're picking the perfect, exact fights, they're moving the exact
• 31:56
  way to try to you know, maximize their potential and you know, get
• 32:00
  the most return they can for their career. Because it's dangerous and it's short,
• 32:05
  but you got everybody, just regular people. Everybody just moving that way,
• 32:10
  like because the camera's always on, the social media is always, you
• 32:14
  know, right in your face and that thing. I feel like it's just
• 32:17
  like motivating people's moves. And you could see it in the rap game,
• 32:21
  you know what I'm saying. You see these dudes they not just responding,
• 32:25
  rapping, whatever the case. You're doing everything but rapping. Right. Even
• 32:30
  he felt the way that he did to apologize because of the way that people
• 32:36
  were responding to the this. It wasn't even he just felt himself like,
• 32:40
  oh I felt bad doing that this. It was the way people were talking
• 32:45
  to him about it and responding about it that made him be like, ah,
• 32:47
  man, I ain't want it to be on something. It's like,
• 32:50
  bro, And I think he did it the right way. He dropped the
• 32:53
  mixtape and dropped the disc. Bro. He did It's like, dog,
• 32:58
  I don't know, man, that's a way to do it. You can't
• 33:00
  be out here talking about you want to be the greatest and trying to pump
• 33:04
  up your chest and then retracting a disc. Bro, like come on,
• 33:08
  and ain't ready for that. I'm gonna go. I agree. Let's wrap
• 33:14
  up with that. Bro. You was at Dreamville Fest and you was in
• 33:16
  the crowd when this man apologized to Kendrick and said he was gonna take the
• 33:22
  disc down. How was the vibe out there? Like in the crowd,
• 33:24
  how was the vibe after the set? How was the vibe like the rest
• 33:28
  of the night, Like, just kind of walk us through it. It
• 33:30
  was mixed feelings, Like you could tell that some people was like, I
• 33:34
  feel like there's a lot of J Cole stands out there that he came to
• 33:37
  no wrong, you know what I'm saying. So like a lot of the
• 33:38
  people that was in the front, Like if you watched the clip, you
• 33:42
  heard like the people the crowd like when he said that, like they were
• 33:45
  all like cheering and stuff. Those are like all the people that was in
• 33:47
  the front, those are the stands. And don't get me wrong, I'm
• 33:50
  a huge J Cole fan, but you know when he said that, I'm
• 33:52
  definitely like, Yo, come on, bro, You're supposed to be the
• 33:54
  goat, you know what I'm saying. You're supposed to be like the dog
• 33:57
  in this game. But you've been literally for the last three years on this
• 34:00
  run that like anything you hop on you killing niggas like this is supposed to
• 34:06
  be light work, you know what I mean. Yeah, so for me
• 34:08
  talking crazy on them, this is too I mean on the versus on the
• 34:13
  verses, he been talking like yo to anybody can get it artist that was
• 34:16
  on the song, Like do you feel like he was this in you?
• 34:19
  Like yeah, a few people that he did verses on like if they felt
• 34:23
  that and it was like, Bro, it's because you was rapping greasy.
• 34:25
  Bro, Yeah he was. You know what I'm saying. So like to
• 34:29
  me, you know, I mean, it's it's something that you can't really
• 34:32
  bounce back from. Man like you It's I'm interested to see how he tries
• 34:37
  to bounce back from it. To be honest with you, from the point
• 34:42
  of view of like trying to be the goat. Yeah, you know what
• 34:44
  I'm saying, Like like just from the standpoint of like for example, when
• 34:47
  Drake had all of the ghostwriting allegations, you know what I'm saying, Like
• 34:51
  that was a huge hit for him, but he bounced back like he still
• 34:53
  was able to bounce back, like people still look at him from the standpoint
• 34:58
  of like yo, but did he write it though but they still give him
• 35:00
  his credit, you know what I'm saying. But how do you, as
• 35:05
  Jake Cole, bounce back from this, you know what I'm saying. I'm
• 35:07
  interested to see how that happens. Yeah, so kind of I feel like
• 35:12
  my interpretation of what you just said, Quincy is kind of like Drake has
• 35:16
  fans that, like you talk, you talk to them about ghost writing.
• 35:20
  They don't even know what the hell you're talking about, bro, like you
• 35:22
  just want to. They just know Drake is putting out the joints that they
• 35:25
  like that. You know, Drake is the man. They listen to Drake
• 35:29
  and that's it. Jake Cole, his fans are more of the people that
• 35:32
  are like us exactly like listening to j Cole. It's not because you're like
• 35:37
  some chick at a party or something like that, you know what I'm saying,
• 35:39
  Like you you know what I mean. You're not in the club with
• 35:44
  your homies and y'all just bumping Jake Cole, you know what I'm saying.
• 35:46
  So it's like this is the part with the thugs. Yeah yeah, exactly,
• 35:50
  Like bro, if you're if you're saying, you're that guy, and
• 35:52
  that was the thing with jay Z and NOAs too, like when they was
• 35:55
  coming at NAS just from the the stature in the game aspect, like,
• 36:00
  oh, jay Z got Beyonce, jay Z got this deal, jay Z
• 36:04
  did that whatever. Nah, it's just new like bro. But I'm a
• 36:07
  better rapper though, Like it don't even matter what you're talking about, because
• 36:09
  when we get on these records, you're going here, why I'm not,
• 36:13
  you know what I'm saying. That's like where j Cole should have should have
• 36:16
  been, you know what I mean, Like he let NAS down again,
• 36:19
  real talking, I mean he should have just I mean, if he didn't,
• 36:22
  you know, he let the pressure of everybody get to him, and
• 36:25
  he should have just let let it. He should have left it alone,
• 36:28
  you know what I'm saying. If he didn't want too, he should have
• 36:30
  left it alone, you know. But he The worst thing you could have
• 36:34
  did was back out. The worst thing that could have happened was you realizing
• 36:37
  you ain't want to smoke after you let the match exactly. You can't put
• 36:42
  tooth space back into tube, you feel me? Yes, sir, what's
• 36:45
  the word. What's the word? Do you? Oh? Chief, there
• 36:49
  it goes. You can't do it, Chief, No, But it's and
• 36:59
  I wanted to. I want the crossover with that boxing too, because yeah,
• 37:04
  guy sucks, but crossover boxing too. So we can add this in
• 37:08
  because you know, we got the Ryan Garcia and Davey Devin Hainey fight,
• 37:13
  and I always spring when it comes to boxing. I bring everything back to
• 37:16
  Floyd Mayweather because anytime he talks shit, he was doing one of three things.
• 37:23
  He's running fifteen miles around Vegas with the camera on him preparing for the
• 37:29
  fight. He was in front of a bag in his gym, talking shit
• 37:34
  to many pack yell picture boom boxing while he's talking shit or in the ring
• 37:39
  and just saying some of the greatest signs ever. He think he good,
• 37:44
  I'm great. That's the difference between us. I don't think I'm good.
• 37:46
  I'm great, just talking and shit while he's showing you physically how good he
• 37:52
  is. It's a physical sport. You're boxing. He's leaving it up to
• 37:58
  the boxing. He's talking to shit, but he's boxing. These dudes are
• 38:01
  doing it on DMS on now, Ryan Garcia, he's doing it in Bobby
• 38:08
  all Toalf interviews. He's doing it every single place, but in a ring
• 38:13
  or in front of the bag or while he's training, Like now it's just
• 38:16
  like you said, clout chasing. Now it's just the attention the social media,
• 38:25
  you know what I mean. And it's like you're taking away from the
• 38:29
  art, Like now you're trying to put on a show. You can put
• 38:32
  on the show while you're training, why you're boxing, why you're doing something
• 38:37
  physical, while you're showing how much you're prepping. And now it's just like
• 38:39
  who could talk shit better in the press conference? And that's taking away And
• 38:44
  now I think Ryan Garcia is way past the point of proving he's a good
• 38:49
  boxer by boxing. He's trying to prove he's a good entertainer now, and
• 38:53
  he's taking away from the sport. It's taking away from the quality of the
• 38:58
  anticipation of this is gonna be a good fight, rather than, Oh,
• 39:02
  these guys talking so much shit they hate each other. I want to see
• 39:05
  who's gonna win. He's doing it to the point where people are doubting if
• 39:08
  he's even really in a state to box, so they're not even buying the
• 39:13
  fight. Yes, exactly. Usually you'll at least buy the fight and be
• 39:16
  interested to see what the result in the ring is and that's what boxing is.
• 39:20
  Like you're selling the fight, like you're selling the ticket to see the
• 39:23
  fight, and if you're just doing too much, like what's going on right
• 39:27
  now is reflecting and you're seeing it reflecting that in the numbers of the fight.
• 39:32
  Yeah, and I'm a fan of boxing, so I'm gonna buy it,
• 39:37
  but just to think, like the same thing with the beef in music,
• 39:40
  with the beef in boxing, I'm I'm not even excited about it.
• 39:45
  I'm I'm just like I listened to the what the real responses are, just
• 39:50
  to see how it goes. I'm gonna watch the fight to see how outcomes,
• 39:52
  but the anticipation and like the excitement for it because I'm like, Yo,
• 39:59
  he's been in his ass off, His dude's been training his ass off.
• 40:02
  They know the weaknesses, you know the strange, they got a game
• 40:06
  plan, they're gonna come with the heat. I don't even know what the
• 40:08
  fuck they're gonna do anymore. I'm just gonna watch it because I want to
• 40:12
  see what happened, to even know what the match is gonna look like really
• 40:14
  at all. Like if you be on social media, like you said,
• 40:16
  man, show me, show show yourself in the gym, show yourself in
• 40:21
  the studio, show yourself. You know what I'm saying, talking ship while
• 40:23
  you're doing what you could at you know what I mean. When he when
• 40:27
  he came up on my feed, what I used to see was that like
• 40:30
  them hard hitting it was it was you know, him hearing a dude that
• 40:35
  got like man pads and he's moving them like yeah, he had a hook,
• 40:38
  like crazy showing off that hook. I haven't seen the video of him
• 40:42
  punching anything in the long ass time. Facts, man, we shall see.
• 40:46
  We shut chasing era. Man. Man, it's infecting everything in a
• 40:52
  bad way, I feel. And the crazy thing is everybody could like honestly,
• 40:57
  what everybody needs to do is stay butter after acting after acid at a
• 42:17
  pumpy not not pupy, not not punty, put not not pup not not act o